July 16, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast Thursday the 17th of July 2025, the Government's ditching open-plan classrooms, May Road Primary principal Lynda Stewart shares her thoughts on whether the classrooms work.
New deals will soon become available to bring down your power bill, Consumer NZ Powerswitch manager Paul Fuge tells Andrew Dickens the difference it'll make.
Multiple major religious texts will be shredded at the National library, Laura Marshall from the Library and Information Association shares her thoughts.
Plus, US President Donald Trump has said Attorney General Pam Bondi should release "whatever she thinks is credible" on late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, US Correspondent Mitch McCann has the latest.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
early edition with expole insulation, keeping Kimi Holmes warm and
try this Winter News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There'd be askyboding you and welcome to the program for
a Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickens. I'm here until six and
coming up, the National Library is burning books, including the Bible,
the Quran and the Torrah. Should we be worried, We'll
have that story for you in ten. There's changes to
the pricing system for off peak power, so will this
make a meaningful difference to your bill? We'll have that
(00:31):
story in fifteen. As a Harry Potter TV series starts filming,
Emma Watson is in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
With the law.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'll have that story after five point thirty. And it's
the end of open classrooms, so how destructive was this ideology?
We'll have that story for you just before six. We'll
have correspondents from right around New Zealand. Mitch McCann's joining
us from the United States of America. And you can
have your say too by using the text two ninety two.
A small charge applies. It's eight minutes half five the agenda.
(01:02):
It's Thursday, the seventeenth of July, Israel says it's strake
a military target in the area of the Presidential Palace
in Damascus. This is in southwestern Syria. It earlier said
it hit the headquarters of the Syrian military in the
city Netania, who says Israel is trying to protect members
of the Druze community who are in southwest Syria where
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there have been deadly sectarian clashes.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
We are acting to save our Dreuze brothers and to
eliminate the rag used gangs. And now I have one
request from you. You are citizens of Israel, do not
cross the border. You're endangering your lives. You could be killed,
you could be kidnapped, and you are harming the IDF's efforts. Therefore,
I ask you return to your homes. Lets the IDEAF.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Act to America, where Donald Trump's been facing a rare
backlash from supporters who want the release of information on
the Epstein case. He says Attorney General Pam BONDI should
actually release whatever she thinks is credible.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You want credible evidence with something like that. But she's
handled it very well and it's.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Going to be up to her.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Yeah, and
as you heard in the news, we can officially consider
the feud between Paul Gallan and Sonny Bill Williams to
be squashed. In a long anticipated showdown, Gallen came out
on top, edging Williams in a split decision, so two
judges had it for Gallon seventy seven seventy four and
seventy six seventy five, while the third gave it to
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Williams seventy seven seventy four. And now the two are
going to get coffee together.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I'm able to break for it with him. And yes,
he said, you want to have a coffee, And I said,
so me and him will go for coffee one day,
And yeah, I have a chat and I say, man,
I'm too glad to be worried about so silly school
schoolboys spat, so to speak. So yeah, I'm looking I'm
actually looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Sure they're going to have a coffee. But he also said,
me and him, we're like oil and water. We're never
going to break bread. But I am willing to have
a coffee and catch up. Man to man, I wish
him all the best for him and his It's nine
after five.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with x fol insulation keeping
Kili homes warm and dry. This winter news talks it'd.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Be so we're all heartbroken at the Yuku car crash
that killed three a mother, a daughter and a niece.
I know the road well. I grew up in that county.
The road is well known by all locals as being dangerous.
They call it the roller coaster. It's used as a
rat run to get to Pokakoi and so users think
it's a faster road than the main road, so off
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they go. This road is up and down. It's been
described as like a BMX track. It's slim and slippery,
and there are ditches and colvets all along its edges,
and it's bumpy. One mistake, go off the road. The
car is airborne. It's well used the way. Kato Council
now has got it marked for improvements, but as we
all know, money is time for councils right now. One
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guy who lives on the road is petrified by it.
He says he only ever turns left as he gets
out of his driveway because it's it's too dangerous to
cross lanes. So locals have been saying that maybe the
road needs more speed cameras. Guess what, it already has them.
That's not the answer. Then the answer is simple, just
make the road safer. Now here's the rub. The road
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has an eighty kilometer in our speed limit and it's
still a menace. And I wonder if this is another
road that the government wants to hit with their blanket
speed limits. The simplistic, well, it's the open road. Let's
go to one hundred idea. So your locals and you're worried,
you put in an eighty k limit and people still die.
As I said before, the real answer is to reduce
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the speed limit further until the road is improved. Then
you can put it back up to eighty or one
hundred maybe. Because I'll tell you what. At the moment,
the rollercoaster is getting a new name. They're calling it
the boneyards. News Talk said they're burning books at the
National Library. Shock, horror. They're burning books and the books
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are religious Bible. It is okay, the Bible, the Quran,
the Torrah. So we'll talk about that in about ten
minutes time. But here's the big news. They changed the
way we do our power bills they've given more power
to off peak power use, so will this make a
meaningful difference to your power bill? We'll talk to Consumer
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New Zealand right after the break here on News Talks
here b It's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Andrew Dickens and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi
homes warm and dry this winter news talks at be
goodbody to you.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's five thirteen. I'm Andrew Dickens. So have you got
the power on? Have you got the kettle on? Have
you got the lights on? Have you got the heateron?
Here some news for you. New deals will soon become
available to bring down your power bill. Rule changes by
the Electricity Authority will force the Big four retailers to
offer lower prices for off peak power use. It also
requires the gentailors to give better deals to homes that
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sell power using solar batteries. Poor fouj as the power
switch manager at Consuming New Zealand. He's got up early
for us. Good morning to your pool.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Didn't we already have off peak prices?
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yes we do, so there's those plans are already available.
So some retailers do already offer those.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Plans, So what's different now.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
What they're proposing to do is insists that all retailers
offer those types of plans is an option.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So is it forcing them to offer them as opposed
to allowing them to offer them if they want to
offer them.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's correct, that's the Big four gen tailors. Now my
role is as power switch manager. A lot of those
retailers are already working on those plans.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How do they feel about them?
Speaker 6 (06:46):
What's this another offering? I mean, it's good that consumers
have choice, and certainly time of use plans offer the
potential for householders to save money.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
On their bill.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
But I would stress that only some household you know,
time of use plans clear are costing you more if
you're not suited to them.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But how again, do the gentailors feel about them? Because
this is going to hit their margins?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Isn't it.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You to talk to them about that? But yeah, I
would say that that they wouldn't be happy about it.
Being forced to offer things is not really in the
spirit of a free market. You know, retailers will offer
the plans that they think suit their customer's best. In
some retailers off the time of use. Because the market
segment they're seeking to serve you looking for that sort
of plan, but other you know, households are looking for
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something different than that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Now to the solar thing, I mean the gent tailors
are going to be required to give better deals to
homes that sell power using solar batteries. But we heard
yesterday there was a firm that went bust that makes
the solar power. Another firm last year only three percent
of New Zealand uses solar power compared to Australia in
America where it's up to thirty to forty percent. So
is this actually going to make a meaningful difference.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It won't hurt, but I don't think it will make
it any meaningful difference. You remember that that's only suitable
for households that have batteries because the times at which
you get paid higher rates of peak times, and that's
when it's generally not shining. So only six of very
small number of households, So only around three or four
percent of households have solid it all in a much
lesser number have batteries.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, the second blake we've talked to from a consumer
this week because of the open letter that got sign
got printed in the paper saying the electricity sector is broken.
So Paul, how do we fix it?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
That's really that's a really big question. We just need
to get altricity prices down because people are really hurting
and soler businesses and so the cost of ectricity has
exceeds the cost of producing it by quite a considerable margin,
and it indicates the market's broken. So in terms of
fixing it, we just need more supply. The market is
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not delivering the amount of electricity we need to cover
our growth and New Zealand's hydrology and things like that,
so they need to be beare and census put into
the market to make sure we're getting enough else to
see new power stations being built.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Good.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So, Paul, I thank you so much for getting up
for us. And that is Paul Fuse who's from Consumed,
New Zealand, and he is the power switch manager. It's
eighteen minutes after five men. While speaking about power, Darth
Vader's lightsaber is up for sale. It's going up for
auction for the very first time. This is to celebrate
the forty fifth anniversary of the Return of the Jedi. Sorry, no,
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the Empire strikes back. Gosh, that lightsaber, I'd want it.
You know how much you're going to have to pay
three million US six million bucks for a film prop lightsaber?
It's yours if you want it. Five eighteen. I'm moving
from Jedis to the Bible, the Quran and the Torrad.
They're being burnt by the National Library. Why and should
we be outraged that story?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Next? Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with
Andrew Dickins and x fol Ination keeping Kiwi homes warm
and dry this winter news talk said be so.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm getting a number of texts on ninety two ninety
two saying is Judith Collins being rushed to hospital?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
She has. She was rushed to hospital last night. She
will not be in Parliament today. She was taken to
the hospital in an ambulance but has since returned home.
And the problem a nasty bout of vertigo which happened
on Tuesday night. You may remember Mike Hosking had a
nasty about of vitigo. Yourself work for one day. She
believes that flights over the weekend contributed to the sensation.
(10:30):
So we wish her all the very best, but don't
be worried. It is twenty one out five SIB. Multiple
major religious texts will be shredded at the National Library.
A number of books which include the Quran, the Bible
and the Torah will be destroyed and then recycled and
this is to save one million dollars a year in
storage costs. Laura Marshall is the executive director of the
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Library and Information Association of New Zealand and joins you now,
good morning to you, Laura, Good morning. There's a a
few religious people around the place were a bit freaked
out by this.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
It's standard religious policy at standard religious policy. Sorry, it's
very early in the morning. It's standard collection policy. There'll
be a policy on what's removed from collections. I don't
know the policy of this particular place, but yeah, people
just need to look into what is the collection policy,
and it's a fairly standard collection management. All of these
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books are available at your local library and if people
do want to read them, they can become members of
their local library and they are available to read.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So libraries always do culls because there's always news books
and they end at full So how do libraries decide
which books to stay in, which to go.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
It's very specific to their particular institute or the particular library.
I used to be the library director of Odd and
we had a collection management policy. If it was one
of those best sellers, when people stopped lending it, we
used to call the box and get rid of them.
If we kept every book that was publish, we'd need
a fifty story building, which is obviously not possible at all. However,
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in our heritage collection, same as the National Library, we
would keep books of significance. We keep multi collections, we
keep local history collections. So it comes down to what
is significant for that community, for that institute, and what's
it's mandate by usually its governing body, and what it
should collect.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Threading seems a little bit violent, doesn't it. I mean
that book is gone. Is that standard? Why don't we
have a very big Garrett sale?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It is standard because you get to the point where
nobody wants the books. I used to be a second
hand bookseller for fifteen years and I have shredded so
many books. It gets to a point where nobody wants
to read it. It's times up and we need room
for new books. Like I said, you need a fifty
story building to put these to put these books in.
So many times people would bring me the collections of
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their grandmar and say, oh, I don't want to throw
these out, so I'm going to give these to you,
and I'll be like, no, you have to throw them out.
Why should I do it? It comes a point where books
are not to be read, and this is just great
collection policy. All of these books are available somewhere else
as well, and.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Some of these books haven't been checked out in twenty
or thirty years. Should they have even been bought in
the first place.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Yes, you do have to test the market, and you
must remember some of these books are very old, so yeah,
testing the market is part of good collection policy and
then making a sound decision as another. I believe with
this particular collection, at least fifty thousand of the books
were offered to other libraries and were taken up. So
some of these have gone to other library collections. I
believe another fifty thousand men to charity. And I can
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tell you, as an experienced bookseller who used to make
money out of books, a lot of these books their
time is up, unfortunately, and it's sad, but this is
what we do to bring in new books. I think
it is something like a million to two million books
are published every year. Got to have room for these
new collections. But be assured, libraries do keep those heritage books,
those out of print, those rare books, those books that
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are really special to a particular community. This is their skill,
this is what they're great GIRs.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Staff Laura, I thank you so very very much. I
don't need to take the Bible out from the from
the library because I've got my family Bible which came
out on a boat and arrived in New Zealand in
eighteen forty three. Do you have a Bible like that?
It is our five twenty five. It's News Talks hib
the early.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by News Talks.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It be Newstalk's have b It is now five twenty seven,
so the local government conference is underway and yesterday the
government took advantage of it to talk down to councils
like a step dad telling off their step son. They've
been told to rain and wasteful spending to keep their
rates increases down. Now you know a bit of irony.
There would be good if the government that is currently
spending more than any other also practice what they preach.
(14:45):
But anyway, the government is now talking about bringing in
rate caps. Sounds good, simple idea we can all understand.
But would it work. The fact is the idea is
in place in Australia. Melbourne and Sydney have rate caps,
but individual councils can apply for exemptions. In Melbourne that
meant that some councils imposed ten percent rates, so it
didn't work there. But they do not have rate caps
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in Brisbane, and Brisbane has the lowest rate increases in Australia.
So why is that successive councils have kept the debt low.
They've had smart, long term plans with cross party support,
so that's one thing. They have a Suburb's First policy,
so that improvements are made where people actually live. Eighty
five percent of their budgets spent on this. It's cheaper
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than grand CBD projects. And they like public transport. A
record two hundred and ten million dollars is being spent
this year on it, which is a lot cheaper they
say than building roads roads roads. But of course here
public transport or alternative transport options are the first to
be cut in hard times. We hate it, cyc Away
and because of their resident friend. The suburban centric approach
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combined with a fiscal prudence, they have some regal room.
Senior citizens in Brisbane get the most generous rebates in
the country, cutting their rates in half, and then Brisbane
can pursue some big stuff. They're going for the Olympics,
but here they show some balls as well, canning the
redevelopment of the Gabba because the business case didn't measure up.
Rate caps are good slogan policy. It sounds like a
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simple answer to a complex situation, but they didn't work
in Sydney and Melbourne. In fact, they're suffering from what's
called rates catch up. If you defer projects, then eventually
you're going to have to do them and someone's going
to pay for them fung. I know we will find
that out when the Opera House will eventually have to
have millions spent on it to fix it up. They've
deferred that. The reason we're in the hole is because
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of false promises of low rates by previous mayors and
councils that has resulted in a rates catch up. Wellington
Water Does that sound familiar to you? That's exactly what
happened there. We don't actually need rate caps. But what
we really need is sensible, long term, fiscally prudent governance.
Look for that next election. But it's as rare as
a unicorns that be Andrew, couldn't these books be offered
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to the public before being destroyed? Well, I think you'll
find if you got down to your library, there's always
a tray out the front that says books for sale
one buck, So you know, go there and buy some books.
But then again you end out with your library too full,
and then you have to start reading books. So there
we go. So on the way, Oh, there is a
socialist who's running for the mayoralty of New York and
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he's freaking the Republicans out. Mitch mccambill. Have that story
and the end of open classrooms. We'll talk to a
principle who I think is very happy about that.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Let the past be the pastor.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's Waverous on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early
edition with Andrew Dickens and X Full Insulation Keeping Keey
Holmes warm and dry, this Winter News Talks at b
(17:52):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Welcome back to the program for this Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickins.
I'm here till six and I'm here tomorrow, but then
Ryan's back next week. This is mister Benson boom, amazing voice.
You know the guy. He's the guy likes to do
backflips on stage and he wears revealing jumpsuits. Anyway, that's Benson.
Oh look, I made mine has just arrived at Manchester
and he reports to me on Facebook that the town
(18:26):
is absolutely going off. Oasis are playing five concerts there
over five nights, and he says there's a lot of
angry young men and bucket hats. Most are drunk and
it's only one pm. Good times. Harry Potter actress Emma
Watson has been banned from driving for six months after
she was caught speeding in her Audi S three. So
in addition to the licensed suspension, she was also fined
(18:49):
one thousand quid. It's Watson's fourth driving offence in less
than two years. Seems to me she should stick to
riding broomsticks. Cars are for muggles. And by the way,
the New Harry Potter, a TV series, has just started filming.
And meanwhile, Shock and Horror, far from the Left being
down and out New York has a young socialist contesting
the new York Mayoralty for the Democrats, and his name
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is Zoran Mandarmi. I'll try that again, Zordan Mamdani. And
today he's visiting Democrats in Washington and the Republicans are
freaking out. This is the cat amongst the pigeons. They're
all a bit of a tiz Wars. They're all calling
him a Marxist. So he's got ideas like adding a
two percent tax onto everyone earning one million dollars more.
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He wants to raise the minimum wage, and he wants
to start city owned grocery stores to attack the cost
of living crisis. We're going to find out more about
Zordan Mamdani in about five minutes time with Mitch McCann.
It's twenty two to six, Zidby. It's time to go
right around the country and Callum Brocton joins us from
Duned and Commodity.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Of Callum Morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So you've got a new list of homes and buildings
that are in line for heritage protection.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Here we have this, let's just revealed the sporting by
the City Care here. More than one hundred homes in
fact in line for heritage protection. Now changes these changes
were made to the city's district Plan, giving these properties
greater protection from demolition and modification without consent. Following a
public hearing back in May, the panels decided to remove
seventeen properties from the original list of one hundred and
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forty six which we're proposed for protection. They include several
churches around Dunedin and a suburban fire station as well.
They say they want to allow room for reuse and
development without threatening the heritage fabric of the city. Not
everyone will be happy, of course, with this decision. Appeals
can be made to the Environment Court.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
How's your weather fine?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Areas of frost the heights today?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Eleven to Claire herewod in Christiage. Goodbody, Dear Claire, good morning.
What should we talk about today? I know the christ
Church Hospital or car park again what.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
A surprise look Christchurch City Council is yesterday unanimously agreed
that we should investigate this idea of allowing the car
parking of hospital staff on the site of the particured
a sports and recreation center. There are five hundred car
parks there and this would specifically benefit workers who are
on night shift. Now counselors did vote yes and support
of film Major's proposal. They heard various stories about how
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bad it is for christ Church Hospital staff, including some nurses,
like an ed nurse that film Major has spoken to,
who actually purchased an e scooter to have in their
boot so they could transfer between the car and the hospital,
knowing that it would be faster on an e scooter
to get away from anyone who may be chasing them.
Now it is worth noting, though, that despite this unanimous
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vote and support of the investigation, some counselors are still
sitting there questioning whether this is Council's role to provide
the parking for hospital staff or if that should be
something that Health end Z should.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Solely sort Now, how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (21:46):
Cloudy Period's a bit of frost about today as well,
northeasterlies and a high of eleven.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Max told joins us now from Wellington, I hope you're
in a better mood than yesterday.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Max, never in a better mood.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You've got a central Polytech campus closing.
Speaker 11 (21:59):
This is Fittaday and well Tech's CBD campus is a
part of the government's long signaled announcement on what Polytech's
are to stand alone to return to regional governments. These
are two of the four that will continue operating for
now under TEPU, King Fitta Day and Well Tech. It
will mean the loss of forty eight jobs. It also
means the closure of the Tekahui Oaha Campus, which is
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a creative hub that hosts a lot of external events gigs,
a smaller venue that can be used for music, comedy
during the comedy festival, Fringe Festival, theater as well. Unfortunately
it never quite quite got going this to Aha campus.
It was meant for one thousand students who never got
to one thousand students. But a lot of artsy people
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in the capitol not happy about losing this venue. All right,
how's you with the cloudy periods with a bit of drizzle?
Later thirteen the high.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And who or can we go?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Neither?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Read to Manda, good morning to you. You can need
to turn your microphone on. Go try again, Abe there
you were there? Yes, thank good, very good stuff. We're
all broken hearted about the three people who died in
White Uku, a mum, a daughter and a nie. And
you've got more details about the fact.
Speaker 12 (23:07):
Yes, Francis Ceci Latuvailea. Now she died with her daughter
on the Ahi niece Mali to law. This is when
their car plunged into a creek. Happened on Tuesday. Ministry
of Justice Chief Executive Andrew kibble White says Latuvavier was
a court registry officer for the Family Court and she
worked across many Auckland locations. He also says that this
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tragedy will have a huge impact on many people and
deepest condolences with her immediate and extended family.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I thank you so much, Neva. How's Orkin's weather?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Rain?
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Heavy falls turn into showers this morning, possibly heavy until evening.
Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It is now eighteen minutes to six. Donald Trump, he's
getting it from the world, but he's also getting it
from his mega supporters. They got problems with the fact
that he's now getting involved in world conflicts, and they've
got big problems about Epstein. So we'll talk about this
and this new socialist New York mayor hopeful who's headed
to DC with Mitch McCann, who's next here on news tools.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There be international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It is now a quarter to six and we go
to the United States of America and Mitch McCann, Good morning,
m Good morning Andrew.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm good to Donald Trump and the MAGA people are
starting to fall out a little bit, yeah, big time.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
For many of Donald Trump's base his supporters, this has
been a major issue Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein files.
They want flight logs, client lists, and any documents that
might expose the truth behind what conspiracy theorists have called
this major pedophile ring. Now, Donald Trump and his Attorney
General have suggested in recent months that they would release
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these files and expose the truth. The Attorney General even
seid in recent weeks that the documents were on her
desk ready for review.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But there's one big problem here.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Last week are the Justice Departments said there was no
further disclosure needed or warranted of these doc image was
just has sent a huge blowback from Donald Trump's base.
Some Republicans even have asked for these documents to be released.
The House Speaker thinks they should be released, but Donald
Trump says he doesn't know why everyone's so obsessed with
this story, and he's told people to get over it.
(25:14):
But the more he pushes back the more unhappy his
bases about these Epstein files not being released.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And is it affecting his popularity. I mean, you guys
don't really do polls here.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
Well, if there is some concern that much of his
base will be put off Donald Trump by this. Of
course they have supported him through everything, but one of
the things he talked about on the campaign was releasing
these Epstein files. Now, one of the interesting points he
andrew is that Donald Trump has made a lot of
friends in the podcast industry, and a lot of these
podcasters who he supported, who invited to the White House,
(25:48):
have started raising questions to their millions of followers about
what's going on here. So there is the possibility he
may lose some support from the base.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Now it's not mister Smith goes to Washington and Zoran
Mamdami to Washington, the front runner to become the mayor
of New York. To tell me the story of his visit.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Yeah, he's there today to convince national Democrats that they
should endorse him and support him. Now, this is becoming
a big international story, not just here in the US.
There are billions of dollars involved, and it's becoming I
guess rather disturbing the level of vitriol that Mamdani is
facing from opponents. Now, one of the problems he has
is convincing the New York business community he is serious
(26:28):
and he's not going to damage them because he has
policies like taxing anyone that earns over a million dollars
or two percent tax. He wants to raise the minimum wage,
he wants to create city owned grocery stores. So a
lot of business leaders have been pushing back, and now
he's headed to Washington to convince them that he's in fact.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
The real deal. Mitch mcam I thank you so much
for your time today. This is news Talks here b
Prime Minister Frantz Wois Bayleu and France has done something
quite interesting. He wants to reduce the number of public
holidays in France as part of a bit to tackle
what he calls the curse of his country's debt. He's
doing his budget proposals. He says two out of France's
eleven national holidays could go, suggesting Easter Monday and May eighth,
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that's the day that commemorates the end of World War two.
So if they did that, they would bring France into
line with Germany. They have nine national holidays. France is
proposing eight, Italy is at twelve. By the way, we
have eleven. Do we have too many public holidays?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Up to you?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Twelve to six used dogs d be Now The government's
ditching open planned classrooms, much to the relief of many
teachers and kids and parents. Many schools have already spent
thousands to revert back to single cell rooms. The Education
Minister Erica Stamford reckons the big open spaces have had
a negative effect on kids learning. New classrooms will be
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built using standard designs, just like classrooms have always been
in the past, and will allow for flexibility when needed.
That's called a sliding door. Linda Stewart is a principal
at Mayroe Primary in West Auckland and joins me. Now, hello, Linda,
Morena Andrew. Do you like open classrooms or dar not?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Well, it's funny that you should ask me that, because
today I have the pleasure of hosting people through our
innovative learning environment. It's one year since we moved into
our new classroom and we.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Love it and it's open.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
So it's really complex, isn't it. This whole issue because
people talk about open classrooms, and I've heard people talking
about barns Ours is an innovative learning environment with a
purposeful design for children's learning. We took teachers and the
community and our children on a journey over at least
two years to really design a classrooms that were really
(28:47):
fit for purpose and future focused. So when we talk
about just putting sliding doors into an area, that is
not what teaching and learning is all about. And I
think that we're getting into a conversation that is being
very binary around this, around do you like them or
don't you like them? Actually, the number one factor that
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affects children's learning is the quality of the teaching that
goes on in the classroom. Where you've thought about those
children who have neurodiversity, who need the space to move,
where you've thought about all of those different things that
children will need, and you've had your children in mind,
and you've designed a learning environment for them. It works well,
(29:34):
And that's what we see. Intentional design has worked well
for our children. Yes, we can close off areas if
we need to or not.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, what's the trick?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Then?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
What is the trick? Because I've had kids in open
classroom and they've said it as noisy as all hell, you know,
and we've had many, many reports about this. It can
be very, very distracting and very hard for a teacher
to command the attention of twenty kids when there's another
sixty kids who are doing something completely different right next door.
So what's your trick.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The trick is the intentional design where you think about
actually the activities that children take part in during the day. Yes,
if you put children together and you haven't had that thinking,
and you haven't had worked with your teachers around the
effect of pedagogy, then it can be It can be tricky.
(30:27):
But in our.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Give me a specific for instance, the spill of noise
from teaching cells, from one teaching cell to another. How
do you mitigate that in an open classroom at Mays Road.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
So if you were to come into our classroom, you
wouldn't hear a lot of noise at all. What you
would see is you would see children who are purposely
engaged in their learning. You would see teachers and learning
assistance working alongside children in different parts of the building.
You would see some children involved in workshopping with a teacher.
(31:08):
You would see other children involved in independent activities. You
might see a child who is working to the side
with a learning assistant because that's what they need.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
How much how much did you with a new classroom cost?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Oh, it's not one classroom. It was fifteen classrooms, and
I think it was around twelve million. I'm something around that.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Would it have been cheaper to make twelve single cells well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
With the work that we have done before, I don't know.
I'm not sure about that, Andrew. I think that the
real question is what is the pedagogical practice that is
happening in our classrooms. That's the difference for kids. And
this conversation takes us away from some of the real
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issues that I think of education at the moment.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Linda Stewart, thank you so much for fighting your corner.
We're going to have to go, and I thank you
for your time today. And I have to go and
look up what pedagogical means, views.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And views you trust to start your day. It's earlier
this ship with Andrew Dickins at expol Insulation keeping Kiwi
Holmes warm and dry. This winter news talk said.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Be all right.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I looked up pedagogical, pedagog pedagogical. I looked up pedagogical
it comes from Greek. It comes from a Greek word
that means teachers. What it means is teaching. So Linda
Stewart just actually said teaching to us the whole time.
But anytime she said it, she said pedagogical, which is well,
isn't that part of the problem? Sometimes simple is good?
(32:43):
And you people do not like her use of pedagogical
pedagogical journeys. This woman said holy teaching. Smoke, says John,
that teaches part of the problem. That woman is a
matter of the white clan, and that woman is fundamentally
what's wrong with education in this country.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
There was gold on.
Speaker 13 (33:01):
Though, hold on though, to be fair to Heather by
the way to be fair? Aren't there different ways of teaching?
And pedagogical is just one type of teaching.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know like there are.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
I'm not entirely sure of the definitions, but I feel
like one style of teaching is where the child teaches themselves,
another one where the teacher.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Teach is pedagogy. Pedagogy and education refers to the theory
and practice of teaching, encompassing the method, strategies, and approaches
educators used to facilitate the learning. So what she was
talking about was the theory and the idea of the
open classroom as opposed to it. And I kept on
asking her how, what is a specific way that you
mitigate the noise spill? How do you She didn't answer
(33:42):
that you can't. She talked to me about pedagogy.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Can I can?
Speaker 13 (33:44):
I just say that my mind is blown by people
who do the opposite of what we have been doing
for thousands of years.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Right?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
We all know that if you stick a cat in
a noisy place with lots of distraction, that they're going
to be distracted and not learned.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
Why do we do the opposite?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know. Music's play? What are you doing today?
Speaker 13 (34:01):
We're going to do that?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh? A lot of that? What fun?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Never do for seeing Alan, I'm Andrew Dickinson back again tomorrow.
Have yourself a wonderful day.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Time Fliers and do being twice for more from Early
Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live to News Talks it
Be from five am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
There'd be askyboding you and welcome to the program for
a Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickens. I'm here until six and
coming up, the National Library is burning books, including the Bible,
the Quran and the Torrah. Should we be worried, We'll
have that story for you in ten. There's changes to
the pricing system for off peak power, so will this
make a meaningful difference to your bill? We'll have that
(00:31):
story in fifteen. As a Harry Potter TV series starts filming,
Emma Watson is in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
With the law.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'll have that story after five point thirty. And it's
the end of open classrooms, so how destructive was this ideology?
We'll have that story for you just before six. We'll
have correspondents from right around New Zealand. Mitch McCann's joining
us from the United States of America. And you can
have your say too by using the text two ninety two.
A small charge applies. It's eight minutes half five the agenda.
(01:02):
It's Thursday, the seventeenth of July, Israel says it's strake
a military target in the area of the Presidential Palace
in Damascus. This is in southwestern Syria. It earlier said
it hit the headquarters of the Syrian military in the
city Netania, who says Israel is trying to protect members
of the Druze community who are in southwest Syria where
(01:23):
there have been deadly sectarian clashes.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
We are acting to save our Dreuze brothers and to
eliminate the rag used gangs. And now I have one
request from you. You are citizens of Israel, do not
cross the border. You're endangering your lives. You could be killed,
you could be kidnapped, and you are harming the IDF's efforts. Therefore,
I ask you return to your homes. Lets the IDEAF.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Act to America, where Donald Trump's been facing a rare
backlash from supporters who want the release of information on
the Epstein case. He says Attorney General Pam BONDI should
actually release whatever she thinks is credible.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You want credible evidence with something like that. But she's
handled it very well and it's.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Going to be up to her.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Yeah, and
as you heard in the news, we can officially consider
the feud between Paul Gallan and Sonny Bill Williams to
be squashed. In a long anticipated showdown, Gallen came out
on top, edging Williams in a split decision, so two
judges had it for Gallon seventy seven seventy four and
seventy six seventy five, while the third gave it to
(02:28):
Williams seventy seven seventy four. And now the two are
going to get coffee together.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I'm able to break for it with him. And yes,
he said, you want to have a coffee, And I said,
so me and him will go for coffee one day,
And yeah, I have a chat and I say, man,
I'm too glad to be worried about so silly school
schoolboys spat, so to speak. So yeah, I'm looking I'm
actually looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Sure they're going to have a coffee. But he also said,
me and him, we're like oil and water. We're never
going to break bread. But I am willing to have
a coffee and catch up. Man to man, I wish
him all the best for him and his It's nine
after five.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with x fol insulation keeping
Kili homes warm and dry. This winter news talks it'd.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Be so we're all heartbroken at the Yuku car crash
that killed three a mother, a daughter and a niece.
I know the road well. I grew up in that county.
The road is well known by all locals as being dangerous.
They call it the roller coaster. It's used as a
rat run to get to Pokakoi and so users think
it's a faster road than the main road, so off
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they go. This road is up and down. It's been
described as like a BMX track. It's slim and slippery,
and there are ditches and colvets all along its edges,
and it's bumpy. One mistake, go off the road. The
car is airborne. It's well used the way. Kato Council
now has got it marked for improvements, but as we
all know, money is time for councils right now. One
(03:53):
guy who lives on the road is petrified by it.
He says he only ever turns left as he gets
out of his driveway because it's it's too dangerous to
cross lanes. So locals have been saying that maybe the
road needs more speed cameras. Guess what, it already has them.
That's not the answer. Then the answer is simple, just
make the road safer. Now here's the rub. The road
(04:14):
has an eighty kilometer in our speed limit and it's
still a menace. And I wonder if this is another
road that the government wants to hit with their blanket
speed limits. The simplistic, well, it's the open road. Let's
go to one hundred idea. So your locals and you're worried,
you put in an eighty k limit and people still die.
As I said before, the real answer is to reduce
(04:35):
the speed limit further until the road is improved. Then
you can put it back up to eighty or one
hundred maybe. Because I'll tell you what. At the moment,
the rollercoaster is getting a new name. They're calling it
the boneyards. News Talk said they're burning books at the
National Library. Shock, horror. They're burning books and the books
(04:56):
are religious Bible. It is okay, the Bible, the Quran,
the Torrah. So we'll talk about that in about ten
minutes time. But here's the big news. They changed the
way we do our power bills they've given more power
to off peak power use, so will this make a
meaningful difference to your power bill? We'll talk to Consumer
(05:19):
New Zealand right after the break here on News Talks
here b It's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Andrew Dickens and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi
homes warm and dry this winter news talks at be
goodbody to you.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's five thirteen. I'm Andrew Dickens. So have you got
the power on? Have you got the kettle on? Have
you got the lights on? Have you got the heateron?
Here some news for you. New deals will soon become
available to bring down your power bill. Rule changes by
the Electricity Authority will force the Big four retailers to
offer lower prices for off peak power use. It also
requires the gentailors to give better deals to homes that
(05:57):
sell power using solar batteries. Poor fouj as the power
switch manager at Consuming New Zealand. He's got up early
for us. Good morning to your pool.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Didn't we already have off peak prices?
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yes we do, so there's those plans are already available.
So some retailers do already offer those.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Plans, So what's different now.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
What they're proposing to do is insists that all retailers
offer those types of plans is an option.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So is it forcing them to offer them as opposed
to allowing them to offer them if they want to
offer them.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's correct, that's the Big four gen tailors. Now my
role is as power switch manager. A lot of those
retailers are already working on those plans.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How do they feel about them?
Speaker 6 (06:46):
What's this another offering? I mean, it's good that consumers
have choice, and certainly time of use plans offer the
potential for householders to save money.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
On their bill.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
But I would stress that only some household you know,
time of use plans clear are costing you more if
you're not suited to them.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But how again, do the gentailors feel about them? Because
this is going to hit their margins?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Isn't it.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You to talk to them about that? But yeah, I
would say that that they wouldn't be happy about it.
Being forced to offer things is not really in the
spirit of a free market. You know, retailers will offer
the plans that they think suit their customer's best. In
some retailers off the time of use. Because the market
segment they're seeking to serve you looking for that sort
of plan, but other you know, households are looking for
(07:34):
something different than that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Now to the solar thing, I mean the gent tailors
are going to be required to give better deals to
homes that sell power using solar batteries. But we heard
yesterday there was a firm that went bust that makes
the solar power. Another firm last year only three percent
of New Zealand uses solar power compared to Australia in
America where it's up to thirty to forty percent. So
is this actually going to make a meaningful difference.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It won't hurt, but I don't think it will make
it any meaningful difference. You remember that that's only suitable
for households that have batteries because the times at which
you get paid higher rates of peak times, and that's
when it's generally not shining. So only six of very
small number of households, So only around three or four
percent of households have solid it all in a much
lesser number have batteries.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, the second blake we've talked to from a consumer
this week because of the open letter that got sign
got printed in the paper saying the electricity sector is broken.
So Paul, how do we fix it?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
That's really that's a really big question. We just need
to get altricity prices down because people are really hurting
and soler businesses and so the cost of ectricity has
exceeds the cost of producing it by quite a considerable margin,
and it indicates the market's broken. So in terms of
fixing it, we just need more supply. The market is
(08:54):
not delivering the amount of electricity we need to cover
our growth and New Zealand's hydrology and things like that,
so they need to be beare and census put into
the market to make sure we're getting enough else to
see new power stations being built.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Good.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So, Paul, I thank you so much for getting up
for us. And that is Paul Fuse who's from Consumed,
New Zealand, and he is the power switch manager. It's
eighteen minutes after five men. While speaking about power, Darth
Vader's lightsaber is up for sale. It's going up for
auction for the very first time. This is to celebrate
the forty fifth anniversary of the Return of the Jedi. Sorry, no,
(09:32):
the Empire strikes back. Gosh, that lightsaber, I'd want it.
You know how much you're going to have to pay
three million US six million bucks for a film prop lightsaber?
It's yours if you want it. Five eighteen. I'm moving
from Jedis to the Bible, the Quran and the Torrad.
They're being burnt by the National Library. Why and should
we be outraged that story?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Next? Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with
Andrew Dickins and x fol Ination keeping Kiwi homes warm
and dry this winter news talk said be so.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm getting a number of texts on ninety two ninety
two saying is Judith Collins being rushed to hospital?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
She has. She was rushed to hospital last night. She
will not be in Parliament today. She was taken to
the hospital in an ambulance but has since returned home.
And the problem a nasty bout of vertigo which happened
on Tuesday night. You may remember Mike Hosking had a
nasty about of vitigo. Yourself work for one day. She
believes that flights over the weekend contributed to the sensation.
(10:30):
So we wish her all the very best, but don't
be worried. It is twenty one out five SIB. Multiple
major religious texts will be shredded at the National Library.
A number of books which include the Quran, the Bible
and the Torah will be destroyed and then recycled and
this is to save one million dollars a year in
storage costs. Laura Marshall is the executive director of the
(10:52):
Library and Information Association of New Zealand and joins you now,
good morning to you, Laura, Good morning. There's a a
few religious people around the place were a bit freaked
out by this.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
It's standard religious policy at standard religious policy. Sorry, it's
very early in the morning. It's standard collection policy. There'll
be a policy on what's removed from collections. I don't
know the policy of this particular place, but yeah, people
just need to look into what is the collection policy,
and it's a fairly standard collection management. All of these
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books are available at your local library and if people
do want to read them, they can become members of
their local library and they are available to read.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So libraries always do culls because there's always news books
and they end at full So how do libraries decide
which books to stay in, which to go.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
It's very specific to their particular institute or the particular library.
I used to be the library director of Odd and
we had a collection management policy. If it was one
of those best sellers, when people stopped lending it, we
used to call the box and get rid of them.
If we kept every book that was publish, we'd need
a fifty story building, which is obviously not possible at all. However,
(12:05):
in our heritage collection, same as the National Library, we
would keep books of significance. We keep multi collections, we
keep local history collections. So it comes down to what
is significant for that community, for that institute, and what's
it's mandate by usually its governing body, and what it
should collect.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Threading seems a little bit violent, doesn't it. I mean
that book is gone. Is that standard? Why don't we
have a very big Garrett sale?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It is standard because you get to the point where
nobody wants the books. I used to be a second
hand bookseller for fifteen years and I have shredded so
many books. It gets to a point where nobody wants
to read it. It's times up and we need room
for new books. Like I said, you need a fifty
story building to put these to put these books in.
So many times people would bring me the collections of
(12:51):
their grandmar and say, oh, I don't want to throw
these out, so I'm going to give these to you,
and I'll be like, no, you have to throw them out.
Why should I do it? It comes a point where books
are not to be read, and this is just great
collection policy. All of these books are available somewhere else
as well, and.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Some of these books haven't been checked out in twenty
or thirty years. Should they have even been bought in
the first place.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Yes, you do have to test the market, and you
must remember some of these books are very old, so yeah,
testing the market is part of good collection policy and
then making a sound decision as another. I believe with
this particular collection, at least fifty thousand of the books
were offered to other libraries and were taken up. So
some of these have gone to other library collections. I
believe another fifty thousand men to charity. And I can
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tell you, as an experienced bookseller who used to make
money out of books, a lot of these books their
time is up, unfortunately, and it's sad, but this is
what we do to bring in new books. I think
it is something like a million to two million books
are published every year. Got to have room for these
new collections. But be assured, libraries do keep those heritage books,
those out of print, those rare books, those books that
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are really special to a particular community. This is their skill,
this is what they're great GIRs.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Staff Laura, I thank you so very very much. I
don't need to take the Bible out from the from
the library because I've got my family Bible which came
out on a boat and arrived in New Zealand in
eighteen forty three. Do you have a Bible like that?
It is our five twenty five. It's News Talks hib
the early.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by News Talks.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It be Newstalk's have b It is now five twenty seven,
so the local government conference is underway and yesterday the
government took advantage of it to talk down to councils
like a step dad telling off their step son. They've
been told to rain and wasteful spending to keep their
rates increases down. Now you know a bit of irony.
There would be good if the government that is currently
spending more than any other also practice what they preach.
(14:45):
But anyway, the government is now talking about bringing in
rate caps. Sounds good, simple idea we can all understand.
But would it work. The fact is the idea is
in place in Australia. Melbourne and Sydney have rate caps,
but individual councils can apply for exemptions. In Melbourne that
meant that some councils imposed ten percent rates, so it
didn't work there. But they do not have rate caps
(15:05):
in Brisbane, and Brisbane has the lowest rate increases in Australia.
So why is that successive councils have kept the debt low.
They've had smart, long term plans with cross party support,
so that's one thing. They have a Suburb's First policy,
so that improvements are made where people actually live. Eighty
five percent of their budgets spent on this. It's cheaper
(15:26):
than grand CBD projects. And they like public transport. A
record two hundred and ten million dollars is being spent
this year on it, which is a lot cheaper they
say than building roads roads roads. But of course here
public transport or alternative transport options are the first to
be cut in hard times. We hate it, cyc Away
and because of their resident friend. The suburban centric approach
(15:47):
combined with a fiscal prudence, they have some regal room.
Senior citizens in Brisbane get the most generous rebates in
the country, cutting their rates in half, and then Brisbane
can pursue some big stuff. They're going for the Olympics,
but here they show some balls as well, canning the
redevelopment of the Gabba because the business case didn't measure up.
Rate caps are good slogan policy. It sounds like a
(16:10):
simple answer to a complex situation, but they didn't work
in Sydney and Melbourne. In fact, they're suffering from what's
called rates catch up. If you defer projects, then eventually
you're going to have to do them and someone's going
to pay for them fung. I know we will find
that out when the Opera House will eventually have to
have millions spent on it to fix it up. They've
deferred that. The reason we're in the hole is because
(16:31):
of false promises of low rates by previous mayors and
councils that has resulted in a rates catch up. Wellington
Water Does that sound familiar to you? That's exactly what
happened there. We don't actually need rate caps. But what
we really need is sensible, long term, fiscally prudent governance.
Look for that next election. But it's as rare as
a unicorns that be Andrew, couldn't these books be offered
(16:57):
to the public before being destroyed? Well, I think you'll
find if you got down to your library, there's always
a tray out the front that says books for sale
one buck, So you know, go there and buy some books.
But then again you end out with your library too full,
and then you have to start reading books. So there
we go. So on the way, Oh, there is a
socialist who's running for the mayoralty of New York and
(17:19):
he's freaking the Republicans out. Mitch mccambill. Have that story
and the end of open classrooms. We'll talk to a
principle who I think is very happy about that.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Let the past be the pastor.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's Waverous on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early
edition with Andrew Dickens and X Full Insulation Keeping Keey
Holmes warm and dry, this Winter News Talks at b
(17:52):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Welcome back to the program for this Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickins.
I'm here till six and I'm here tomorrow, but then
Ryan's back next week. This is mister Benson boom, amazing voice.
You know the guy. He's the guy likes to do
backflips on stage and he wears revealing jumpsuits. Anyway, that's Benson.
Oh look, I made mine has just arrived at Manchester
and he reports to me on Facebook that the town
(18:26):
is absolutely going off. Oasis are playing five concerts there
over five nights, and he says there's a lot of
angry young men and bucket hats. Most are drunk and
it's only one pm. Good times. Harry Potter actress Emma
Watson has been banned from driving for six months after
she was caught speeding in her Audi S three. So
in addition to the licensed suspension, she was also fined
(18:49):
one thousand quid. It's Watson's fourth driving offence in less
than two years. Seems to me she should stick to
riding broomsticks. Cars are for muggles. And by the way,
the New Harry Potter, a TV series, has just started filming.
And meanwhile, Shock and Horror, far from the Left being
down and out New York has a young socialist contesting
the new York Mayoralty for the Democrats, and his name
(19:10):
is Zoran Mandarmi. I'll try that again, Zordan Mamdani. And
today he's visiting Democrats in Washington and the Republicans are
freaking out. This is the cat amongst the pigeons. They're
all a bit of a tiz Wars. They're all calling
him a Marxist. So he's got ideas like adding a
two percent tax onto everyone earning one million dollars more.
(19:31):
He wants to raise the minimum wage, and he wants
to start city owned grocery stores to attack the cost
of living crisis. We're going to find out more about
Zordan Mamdani in about five minutes time with Mitch McCann.
It's twenty two to six, Zidby. It's time to go
right around the country and Callum Brocton joins us from
Duned and Commodity.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Of Callum Morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So you've got a new list of homes and buildings
that are in line for heritage protection.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Here we have this, let's just revealed the sporting by
the City Care here. More than one hundred homes in
fact in line for heritage protection. Now changes these changes
were made to the city's district Plan, giving these properties
greater protection from demolition and modification without consent. Following a
public hearing back in May, the panels decided to remove
seventeen properties from the original list of one hundred and
(20:19):
forty six which we're proposed for protection. They include several
churches around Dunedin and a suburban fire station as well.
They say they want to allow room for reuse and
development without threatening the heritage fabric of the city. Not
everyone will be happy, of course, with this decision. Appeals
can be made to the Environment Court.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
How's your weather fine?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Areas of frost the heights today?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Eleven to Claire herewod in Christiage. Goodbody, Dear Claire, good morning.
What should we talk about today? I know the christ
Church Hospital or car park again what.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
A surprise look Christchurch City Council is yesterday unanimously agreed
that we should investigate this idea of allowing the car
parking of hospital staff on the site of the particured
a sports and recreation center. There are five hundred car
parks there and this would specifically benefit workers who are
on night shift. Now counselors did vote yes and support
of film Major's proposal. They heard various stories about how
(21:12):
bad it is for christ Church Hospital staff, including some nurses,
like an ed nurse that film Major has spoken to,
who actually purchased an e scooter to have in their
boot so they could transfer between the car and the hospital,
knowing that it would be faster on an e scooter
to get away from anyone who may be chasing them.
Now it is worth noting, though, that despite this unanimous
(21:34):
vote and support of the investigation, some counselors are still
sitting there questioning whether this is Council's role to provide
the parking for hospital staff or if that should be
something that Health end Z should.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Solely sort Now, how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (21:46):
Cloudy Period's a bit of frost about today as well,
northeasterlies and a high of eleven.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Max told joins us now from Wellington, I hope you're
in a better mood than yesterday.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Max, never in a better mood.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You've got a central Polytech campus closing.
Speaker 11 (21:59):
This is Fittaday and well Tech's CBD campus is a
part of the government's long signaled announcement on what Polytech's
are to stand alone to return to regional governments. These
are two of the four that will continue operating for
now under TEPU, King Fitta Day and Well Tech. It
will mean the loss of forty eight jobs. It also
means the closure of the Tekahui Oaha Campus, which is
(22:22):
a creative hub that hosts a lot of external events gigs,
a smaller venue that can be used for music, comedy
during the comedy festival, Fringe Festival, theater as well. Unfortunately
it never quite quite got going this to Aha campus.
It was meant for one thousand students who never got
to one thousand students. But a lot of artsy people
(22:43):
in the capitol not happy about losing this venue. All right,
how's you with the cloudy periods with a bit of drizzle?
Later thirteen the high.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And who or can we go?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Neither?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Read to Manda, good morning to you. You can need
to turn your microphone on. Go try again, Abe there
you were there? Yes, thank good, very good stuff. We're
all broken hearted about the three people who died in
White Uku, a mum, a daughter and a nie. And
you've got more details about the fact.
Speaker 12 (23:07):
Yes, Francis Ceci Latuvailea. Now she died with her daughter
on the Ahi niece Mali to law. This is when
their car plunged into a creek. Happened on Tuesday. Ministry
of Justice Chief Executive Andrew kibble White says Latuvavier was
a court registry officer for the Family Court and she
worked across many Auckland locations. He also says that this
(23:29):
tragedy will have a huge impact on many people and
deepest condolences with her immediate and extended family.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I thank you so much, Neva. How's Orkin's weather?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Rain?
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Heavy falls turn into showers this morning, possibly heavy until evening.
Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It is now eighteen minutes to six. Donald Trump, he's
getting it from the world, but he's also getting it
from his mega supporters. They got problems with the fact
that he's now getting involved in world conflicts, and they've
got big problems about Epstein. So we'll talk about this
and this new socialist New York mayor hopeful who's headed
to DC with Mitch McCann, who's next here on news tools.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There be international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It is now a quarter to six and we go
to the United States of America and Mitch McCann, Good morning,
m Good morning Andrew.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm good to Donald Trump and the MAGA people are
starting to fall out a little bit, yeah, big time.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
For many of Donald Trump's base his supporters, this has
been a major issue Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein files.
They want flight logs, client lists, and any documents that
might expose the truth behind what conspiracy theorists have called
this major pedophile ring. Now, Donald Trump and his Attorney
General have suggested in recent months that they would release
(24:45):
these files and expose the truth. The Attorney General even
seid in recent weeks that the documents were on her
desk ready for review.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But there's one big problem here.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Last week are the Justice Departments said there was no
further disclosure needed or warranted of these doc image was
just has sent a huge blowback from Donald Trump's base.
Some Republicans even have asked for these documents to be released.
The House Speaker thinks they should be released, but Donald
Trump says he doesn't know why everyone's so obsessed with
this story, and he's told people to get over it.
(25:14):
But the more he pushes back the more unhappy his
bases about these Epstein files not being released.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And is it affecting his popularity. I mean, you guys
don't really do polls here.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
Well, if there is some concern that much of his
base will be put off Donald Trump by this. Of
course they have supported him through everything, but one of
the things he talked about on the campaign was releasing
these Epstein files. Now, one of the interesting points he
andrew is that Donald Trump has made a lot of
friends in the podcast industry, and a lot of these
podcasters who he supported, who invited to the White House,
(25:48):
have started raising questions to their millions of followers about
what's going on here. So there is the possibility he
may lose some support from the base.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Now it's not mister Smith goes to Washington and Zoran
Mamdami to Washington, the front runner to become the mayor
of New York. To tell me the story of his visit.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Yeah, he's there today to convince national Democrats that they
should endorse him and support him. Now, this is becoming
a big international story, not just here in the US.
There are billions of dollars involved, and it's becoming I
guess rather disturbing the level of vitriol that Mamdani is
facing from opponents. Now, one of the problems he has
is convincing the New York business community he is serious
(26:28):
and he's not going to damage them because he has
policies like taxing anyone that earns over a million dollars
or two percent tax. He wants to raise the minimum wage,
he wants to create city owned grocery stores. So a
lot of business leaders have been pushing back, and now
he's headed to Washington to convince them that he's in fact.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
The real deal. Mitch mcam I thank you so much
for your time today. This is news Talks here b
Prime Minister Frantz Wois Bayleu and France has done something
quite interesting. He wants to reduce the number of public
holidays in France as part of a bit to tackle
what he calls the curse of his country's debt. He's
doing his budget proposals. He says two out of France's
eleven national holidays could go, suggesting Easter Monday and May eighth,
(27:10):
that's the day that commemorates the end of World War two.
So if they did that, they would bring France into
line with Germany. They have nine national holidays. France is
proposing eight, Italy is at twelve. By the way, we
have eleven. Do we have too many public holidays?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Up to you?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Twelve to six used dogs d be Now The government's
ditching open planned classrooms, much to the relief of many
teachers and kids and parents. Many schools have already spent
thousands to revert back to single cell rooms. The Education
Minister Erica Stamford reckons the big open spaces have had
a negative effect on kids learning. New classrooms will be
(27:47):
built using standard designs, just like classrooms have always been
in the past, and will allow for flexibility when needed.
That's called a sliding door. Linda Stewart is a principal
at Mayroe Primary in West Auckland and joins me. Now, hello, Linda,
Morena Andrew. Do you like open classrooms or dar not?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Well, it's funny that you should ask me that, because
today I have the pleasure of hosting people through our
innovative learning environment. It's one year since we moved into
our new classroom and we.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Love it and it's open.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
So it's really complex, isn't it. This whole issue because
people talk about open classrooms, and I've heard people talking
about barns Ours is an innovative learning environment with a
purposeful design for children's learning. We took teachers and the
community and our children on a journey over at least
two years to really design a classrooms that were really
(28:47):
fit for purpose and future focused. So when we talk
about just putting sliding doors into an area, that is
not what teaching and learning is all about. And I
think that we're getting into a conversation that is being
very binary around this, around do you like them or
don't you like them? Actually, the number one factor that
(29:10):
affects children's learning is the quality of the teaching that
goes on in the classroom. Where you've thought about those
children who have neurodiversity, who need the space to move,
where you've thought about all of those different things that
children will need, and you've had your children in mind,
and you've designed a learning environment for them. It works well,
(29:34):
And that's what we see. Intentional design has worked well
for our children. Yes, we can close off areas if
we need to or not.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, what's the trick?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Then?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
What is the trick? Because I've had kids in open
classroom and they've said it as noisy as all hell, you know,
and we've had many, many reports about this. It can
be very, very distracting and very hard for a teacher
to command the attention of twenty kids when there's another
sixty kids who are doing something completely different right next door.
So what's your trick.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The trick is the intentional design where you think about
actually the activities that children take part in during the day. Yes,
if you put children together and you haven't had that thinking,
and you haven't had worked with your teachers around the
effect of pedagogy, then it can be It can be tricky.
(30:27):
But in our.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Give me a specific for instance, the spill of noise
from teaching cells, from one teaching cell to another. How
do you mitigate that in an open classroom at Mays Road.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
So if you were to come into our classroom, you
wouldn't hear a lot of noise at all. What you
would see is you would see children who are purposely
engaged in their learning. You would see teachers and learning
assistance working alongside children in different parts of the building.
You would see some children involved in workshopping with a teacher.
(31:08):
You would see other children involved in independent activities. You
might see a child who is working to the side
with a learning assistant because that's what they need.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
How much how much did you with a new classroom cost?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Oh, it's not one classroom. It was fifteen classrooms, and
I think it was around twelve million. I'm something around that.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Would it have been cheaper to make twelve single cells well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
With the work that we have done before, I don't know.
I'm not sure about that, Andrew. I think that the
real question is what is the pedagogical practice that is
happening in our classrooms. That's the difference for kids. And
this conversation takes us away from some of the real
(31:58):
issues that I think of education at the moment.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Linda Stewart, thank you so much for fighting your corner.
We're going to have to go, and I thank you
for your time today. And I have to go and
look up what pedagogical means, views.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And views you trust to start your day. It's earlier
this ship with Andrew Dickins at expol Insulation keeping Kiwi
Holmes warm and dry. This winter news talk said.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Be all right.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I looked up pedagogical, pedagog pedagogical. I looked up pedagogical
it comes from Greek. It comes from a Greek word
that means teachers. What it means is teaching. So Linda
Stewart just actually said teaching to us the whole time.
But anytime she said it, she said pedagogical, which is well,
isn't that part of the problem? Sometimes simple is good?
(32:43):
And you people do not like her use of pedagogical
pedagogical journeys. This woman said holy teaching. Smoke, says John,
that teaches part of the problem. That woman is a
matter of the white clan, and that woman is fundamentally
what's wrong with education in this country.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
There was gold on.
Speaker 13 (33:01):
Though, hold on though, to be fair to Heather by
the way to be fair? Aren't there different ways of teaching?
And pedagogical is just one type of teaching.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know like there are.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
I'm not entirely sure of the definitions, but I feel
like one style of teaching is where the child teaches themselves,
another one where the teacher.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Teach is pedagogy. Pedagogy and education refers to the theory
and practice of teaching, encompassing the method, strategies, and approaches
educators used to facilitate the learning. So what she was
talking about was the theory and the idea of the
open classroom as opposed to it. And I kept on
asking her how, what is a specific way that you
mitigate the noise spill? How do you She didn't answer
(33:42):
that you can't. She talked to me about pedagogy.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Can I can?
Speaker 13 (33:44):
I just say that my mind is blown by people
who do the opposite of what we have been doing
for thousands of years.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Right?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
We all know that if you stick a cat in
a noisy place with lots of distraction, that they're going
to be distracted and not learned.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
Why do we do the opposite?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know. Music's play? What are you doing today?
Speaker 13 (34:01):
We're going to do that?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh? A lot of that? What fun?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Never do for seeing Alan, I'm Andrew Dickinson back again tomorrow.
Have yourself a wonderful day.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Time Fliers and do being twice for more from Early
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