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August 13, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Thursday 14th of August 2025, Jacinda Arden and Chris Hipkins won't show face at the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Covid-19, Minister responsible Brooke Van Velden shares her thoughts. 

Property owners are seeing the lowest resale profits in over a decade, Matt Ball from the NZ Property Investors Federation tells Ryan why. 

New NCEA achievement data shows mixed results, Darfield school Principal Andy England breaks it down. 

Plus, US Correspondent Mitch McCann has the latest on the Trump and Putin meeting. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on
Earlieritia with one roof love where you live news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Good morning. It is great to have your company. Lots
to get through, Brook van Valden before six. She's in
charge of the COVID inquiry. Will she change the terms
of reference? Can you even change the terms of reference
to the inquiry to force Hipkins and Adderned etc. To
turn up in front for the public. We'll ask the
question NCAA results. We've got the update on those numbers

(00:33):
on the property resale profits that we're getting, at least
the paper ones. Mitch mccannon. Trump's plan for Putin meeting
that's happening this weekend and everyone's going on strike. What
are they being paid and what offers are they rejecting.
We'll look at that this morning too. Just gone seven
after five.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
The agenda.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
It is Thursday, the fourningth of August. We've had a
call between Trump and Zelenski. Zolensky says the US is
ready to support Ukraine all.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
The American presidents.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Put In is bluffing, he is striving, Oliver, he is
pushing all over the front line.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Russia is pretendent occupy and it's not true.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Mertz. Meanwhile, this is the German chancellor. He says the
focus must be on a ceasefire in Alaska.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
Security interests of Europe and Ukraine must be protected.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
That is part of what we discussed with President Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Gars are update for you now, Netanya. Who's saying that
they will aim for a full hostage release, not just
a sixty day truce, which is what they've been talking
about up until now. HUMAS leaders are in Cairo right
now chatting to the Egyptians in pre talks. Meanwhile, in Europe,
firefighters battling hundreds of blazers their temperature's top forty degrees
have got family over there. At the moment, it is

(01:51):
bloody hot. One hundred and fifty fires are upted in
just the last twenty four hours, forcing thousands to evacuate.

Speaker 7 (01:58):
In the Madrid region.

Speaker 8 (01:59):
That has been done in the low thirties, which is
quite a bit cooler than yesterday. However, done in the
south of cities like Seville and Cousma, it is still
very hot, around forty one forty two. The heat is
still here and we're expecting it to increase again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And for this heat wave to continue back home. The
man behind the world's most popular YouTube channel bringing a
burger chain here. You better come get a beat burger, okay,
mister beast Burger. It's called heading Auckland at the end
of the month, mainly going to be delivered by a
door dash in your Uber Eats, but they will have
a takeaway only store in Freeman's Bay here in Auckland.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Ryan Bridge and One Route Love where You
Live News Talk said Beach.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I had to look at his Burger's yesterday. I mean,
you can't taste them by looking at a photo, can you.
But they looked like KFC to me. Anyway, I will
try one when they come and let you know how
they taste. Nine after five and now apparently he's just
worth all well, nearly billions, this guy, at least nearly billions.
Speaking of money and lots of it. Teachers making it

(03:08):
rain and Sir Brian Roach has come out and this
is after they've announced these strike So if you've got
kids at secondary school, they will be off outer class
staying at home next week. Sir Brian Roach, who's the
public Services commissioner. He's having a crack at the unions. Basically,
the question is will parents back the teachers, you know,
forcing their kids to stay at home for a day.

(03:30):
Here's some facts for you. The average income for a
secondary teacher at the moment is one hundred grand. That's
the average income. That's up from ninety three k three
years ago. So what are they actually rejecting, Well, a
three percent increase over three years, so that is below
current inflation. But that's on top of an annual pay

(03:51):
progression of four and a half to seven and a
half percent. Now what is annual pay progression. That's basically
where you get paid more every year just for being
there for you know, staying in the job for a
long time. That is two and a half to seven
thousand dollars per year for most teachers. Two and a
half to seven thousand dollars per year for most teachers

(04:15):
at a time when people are out of work, you
don't even have a job, or they're struggling, when the
government is rightly cutting its cloth. I think it sounds
a bit greedy, and I think that the timing of
this is off. In support from the public. I don't
think there's going to be much of it for teachers,
unfortunately for them. Ten minutes after five, I am such

(04:35):
a new numbers for you, by the way, this morning
on a survey. This is like sentiment and trends in
our exporters, and we know that the primary industries are
doing very well at the moment. So this is twenty
twenty five exporting z DHL Export barometer done every year.
Two interesting numbers given the trade war sitch. At the moment,

(04:58):
eight percent of our exporters spital Of that, eighty percent
about exporters either maintained or grew their export volumes over
the past year. Sixty percent expect to increase their exports
in the next year. Heavi itt to all of this
as the survey was done when the rate was ten percent.
Of course now it's gone to fifteen percent. So you
have to you know, how much do you send to

(05:21):
the US? Can we make up the slack in other markets?
There will be more to come on that another survey,
I'm sure. Most interestingly, I think the exporters are looking,
if we can't do the US, where are we going
to go? Most of them are saying either the UK
or Japan. Eleven after five news talks, they'd be will
give you those n CEO results next.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio early edition with
Ryan Bridge and one Route Love where you Live News Talks.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
The'd been nine two nine two the number to text
this morning. Great to have your company. It is fourteen
minutes after five New NCAA achievement data out mixed results.
Umber of students achieving NCAA Level one down to the
lowest level in a decade, down slightly but still the
lowest in a decade. NCAA levels two and three posting
the first increase in pass rate since the beginning of

(06:12):
the pandemic. So starting to sort of turn the corner
and well, all of this systems out the door anyway soon.
Andy England is Starfield High School principal with us this morning. Andy,
Good morning, Good morning Ryan. What's up with level one
do you think?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
I think it's pretty well known at school. Haven't been
prioritizing level one for quite some time, but there are
also a few other things been happening there. That's the
level where the experimentation happened with new standards. The Ministry
was before the decision to change all of the standards.
There's a lot of playing with Level one, so I
think teachers were getting the head around it, and some

(06:47):
of some of the introduction materials were absolutely awful, arrived late,
and we're not high quality at all, so that may
have affected that. Two. We've also got the CAA, your
core exams of literacy and numeracy, and a few students
have struggled with those. If you remember, they came in
at the highest standard, which is great, but there wasn't
there one that there weren't the years of teaching to

(07:11):
match the standard, so students were several students were put
off by those who we say, so, I think the
combination of factors will affected Level one. In areas like ours.
There are still there are still jobs in the out
there for students who they don't need qualifications. You know,
there are people looking for young people to start work
without qualifications, and the temptation for somebody who doesn't see

(07:33):
an academic future to start getting paid for work is
high for a few people, and that's not a high number,
but they all add up.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
So live one actually doesn't really matter that much if
you're leaving school. Who cares.

Speaker 7 (07:46):
Lots of the lots of people have still got role
models who are self employed trades. They're driving around with
a nice new ut and the boat and they left
school at fifteen, and they're quite happy to tell everybody that.
So there's certainly some role modeling. What about that happens?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
What about level two and three is increased? I mean
it's a slide increase. But are we finally turning that
COVID hangover corner? Do you think?

Speaker 7 (08:09):
I think it's too early to say that. I think
what's happened is we've had a few years, not many,
two three years to focus and get some students back
up to speed. Their school teachers are pretty good at
at wrapping around students, and I guess NCAA does give
that sort of flexibility, which is one of the features
that's been criticized recently. Think at level two, so yeah,

(08:29):
I think students are also realizing that they actually at
that level once they've stayed on in.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
School for a while.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
I think they understand they need to get a qualification.
It's totally anecdotal, but I've noticed over the years, whenever
you see a dip in the economy, and there are
a fewer of those other jobs around us talking about
students realize that they need to get a qualification. So
those are the stick in school. I think are focusing
a bit better, and that's a really positive thing.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, your construction jobs are gone, your heroes, your ambassadors
are gone. So they stayed at their compete.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
Yeah sorry, sorry, Right, they're competing against adults in the
late twenties, so they've got to get.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
It back together.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Hey, what about the strikes. I know that's not what
we've got you on for, but do you think there's
going to be support from pearents for this?

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Interesting? I think there were limits of support last time,
but I think the situations this time. This time, there's
been a lot of news obviously about the changes that
we're all going to need to make with the education system.
I appreciate this talk in the long term, but it's
certainly not going to do anything in the next three years.
Teachers are going to need to work harder than ever, probably,
and one percent we know is a net net sort

(09:37):
of decrease in income. So I guess i'd ask you
the question, what would you say if your boss says
we needed to work harder and more difficult commissions, We're
going to pay you less.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, but then you've got your pay progression, which according
to the Public Service Commission, they reckon that's up four
and a half to seven and a half percent on
your pay when you when you add that into the mix, yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
Hey, there's going to be some new answers that they're
going to need to do that we'll need to be
debated through. I can't deny it. It's a pretty rapid
trigger to a strike. And certainly I got a shotgun
and saw that yesterday. But I don't think anybody would
be expect would be surprised to see some resistance. There
are some other layers to the in the offer there,
not just pay related that aren't aren't great for teachers.

(10:17):
So now I think I think most parents will have
some sympathy for teachers at the moment, everybody knows it's
a tough place to work in school. When Australia's paying
significantly more than what we do. We're not going to
do anything to halt the teacher shortage if we're not
going to make some conditions better.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Andy, appreciate your time this morning, thanks for coming on
and they England Darfield High School Principal time is eighten
minutes after five coming up next, we got it. Well,
I'm going to run you through a couple of numbers.
One of them is how often are we swiping our cards?
Because that's an indication of how the economy is performing.
But also we'll look at property prices, how much on
paper profit are people making from selling their homes? All

(10:55):
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Speaker 1 (10:57):
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Speaker 3 (11:06):
Talks had me five twenty one morning. Ryan. Obviously the
NCAA Level one results are dipping, and the way to
fix that is to pay the teachers more for their
excellent work. This is ridiculous, says our text. I haven't
had a pay rise since the COVID years. I think
that's what people are going to think when they look
at this. Looks a bit greedy. We had the principle
on just earlier, said he was surprised they look a
bit trigger happy on the strikes the teachers. Twenty one

(11:28):
minutes after five news talk said b Allen says, Ryan,
no sympathy for those guys. Let's look at property. Property
own has seen the lowest resale profits in over a decade.
This is from Cotality's latest Pain and Game report. Eighty
nine point four percent of homes sold above their purchase
price last quarter. That is the lowest since twenty fourteen,
but still means the hell of a lot of us
are selling and getting a profit, well on paper. Matt

(11:51):
Ball News ill On Property Investors Federation is with us
this morning. Matt, Good morning, morning Ryan. It's interesting when
you look at the who's you know, which area is
christ Church pretty resilient. Auckland's actually the highest proportion of
loss makers.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, Auckland's doing it a bit tough at the moment.
And you know, this is really interesting data. This is
hard data based on real sales and real purchases. It's yeah,
it's very tough for Auckland. I think a lot of
people here bought at the peak, and there may maybe
some people who are being forced to sell when they
don't really want to and they have to take a loss.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
For a property investor, what do you do in a
situation like that? Do you sit on your property for
longer and hold out and wait?

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah, for a property investor, it doesn't mean a lot
to be honest, unless you brought it the peak and
you have to sell for some reason, then this is
just another cycle and you write it out. If you
bought it ten years ago, well it was the COVID
blip that sort of shot the market up. And it
doesn't really matter. Prices went up too far. Now they're correcting.
You just keep holding your property. It's if you're forced
to sell then that's when it becomes a problem.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Where are Auckland investors buying right now? Are they buying
in Auckland because prices are relatively more know either falling
or stable, or are they looking elsewhere?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Investors are buying in lots of different locations. So I
was at one of our associations, the Aukland Associations, beating
the other night and people were saying, I've got a
great property in christ Church being a great return. You
guys should head down there and have a look, and
other people were saying different parts of the country. So
in Auckland absolutely, but also right around the country.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Matt, appreciate your time this morning, Matt Bull, New Zealand
Property Investors Federation. On those new numbers and on paper profits.
I don't like the word profits when it comes to
property because you don't know what people have done to
the house. In the interim twenty four minutes after five,
Next this whole pilava with COVID and the inquiry and
whether Robertson, Adern, Hipkins and Verel should front to you,

(13:57):
should they be live streamed beamed into your living room
one last time, not with them in control, but with
an inquiry in control of COVID information twenty four after
five News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
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Speaker 3 (14:18):
News Talks B twenty six minutes after five. What has
Hipkins and co? Got to hide over COVID Yesterday? They
wheeled out three excuses, not one, not two, but three
for not fronting up and answering questions about why they
went so hard on lockdowns and mandates, which they then
papered over with sixty six billion dollars in spending second

(14:40):
in the world only to the US, thereby helping fuel
the inflation that we're now paying the price for taming.
First excuse we heard they wouldn't attend the public hearing
because they were worried about how the public might react,
that some might use their videos to spread misinformation. The
inquiry itself basically said that nonsense. The public interest in

(15:02):
them appearing outweighed the risk of some nutter altering their
video and sharing it on Facebook. Number Two, we then
had Hipkins front for a stand up with another reason.
I already answered these questions on a daily basis, he said,
which again makes no sense. If you were worried about
videos being docted for misinformation and misinformation being spread, would

(15:24):
it not apply as much to those comments in the media,
which are of course videoed and published as they would
be to the video live stream from a public inquiry. Three.
Then there's the excuses provided to the inquiry itself. They
were worried about blowback from the public online, that it
might turn into some sort of witch hunt. This is

(15:45):
perhaps the most egregious and insulting excuse of them all.
During the COVID years, they were more than happy to
troll us members of the public from the podium of truth.
They were more than happy to engage in a little
witch hunting of their own. Bit Charlotte Ballast, the border
crosses the River of filth. They used the media to

(16:06):
hammer their opponents as conspiracy theorists, anyone who disagreed with them.
They anointed many a public enemy number one while they
were in control of the narrative, and that's really what
this is about. Controlling the narrative. The wall to wall coverage,
the one PM podium sermons cynically helped secure them a

(16:27):
historic majority in twenty twenty. As the old saying goes,
you can fall some of the people all of the time,
all of the people some of the time, but you
can't fool all of the people all of the time.
These guys know they've been found out, most recently by
that embarrassing Treasury report, and now that they can't control
the narrative, it looks like they're running for the hills.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Brayam Bridge twenty.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Nine after five news talks, there'd be lots more to come.
Mitch McCann out of the US on Trump and putin
big meeting this weekend, and we have developments on Trump's
on Ukraine. Also, we will talk to Brook van Velden.
She's the minister in charge of this COVID inquiry and
can they can the inquiry force these guys to come
and appear. We'll ask her that question later on Good Morning.

(17:14):
It is Thursday. You're on News Talks EB.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
You puzzlector.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Ryan Bridge on earlier ish Where's one roof Love? Where
you live? Used talks B.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Good morning, twenty four away from six year on News
Talks MB. I'm Ryan Bridge, Brook van Velden, the Minister
in charge of COVID inquiries with US just before six
the countdown on now to the Trump Putin meeting two
days to go and Mitch mccamnon and has insight into
Trump's game plan this morning he's with US shortly. Luxon
meanwhile is the lead story on CNN this morning. For

(18:08):
this comment about Gaza and Nettan Yahoo.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
I think Netanyahoo has gone way too far. I think
he has lost the plot. And I think that you know,
what we're saying overnight of the attack on Gaza City
is utterly usly unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah. The problem with that, well, I mean that's all true. However,
the problem I think with what he's saying is that
he didn't say it from the beginning. You know, if
you look at those pictures and you feel a certain way,
and this is your personal view, then say it from
the outset. Don't wait till Chloe forces your hand, which
is what this looks like now twenty three to six. Rich,

(18:45):
Just take a look around the country now, Callum Procter
and Dnedan Cullum. Good morning morning, right hey, big day
for Queenstown Airport today. Yeah, look at it is.

Speaker 10 (18:53):
It celebrates its ninetieth birthday today. The beautiful Southern Airport
one of New Zealand's oldest commercial airports and still operating
on its original site of the old Frankton race Course.
Since it began in nineteen thirty five. The airport has
evolved since then into an international gateway. It welcomes more
than two point six million passengers a year, making it

(19:16):
the fourth busiest in New Zealand. The board chair Simon
Floods told us it's important for them to look back
with gratitude for the entrepreneurs who laid the foundations for
the airport. This is then how managing its growth to
ensure it continues to meet the needs of the people
of the Southern Lakes for decades to come.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
How's the weather for their birthday?

Speaker 10 (19:34):
You look good for Queenstown today eleven and fine, same
for Dunedin. Fine the high thirteen today.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Nice Collum, Thank you Clais and christ Church. Hey Claire,
good morning. Tell us about this bridge.

Speaker 11 (19:44):
A bit of an upgrade, Yeah, a massive upgrade for
the Pages Road bridge. The Government and council have reached
a co funding agreement for this. It's a seventy five
point four million dollar job. The Council has been speaking
about this bridge for a very long time but have
always se that any works or any revamp of it
would not be possible without government funds. It's almost one

(20:05):
hundred year old. It was very badly damaged in the quakes.
It has been patch repaired and strengthened ever since, most
recently in twenty fifteen. Minister for the South Island and
Associate Transport Minister James Meagher says this revamp will be
very welcome used for those in the Cities East. He
says it will also come with a package of works,
including the roads either side of the bridge, which are

(20:28):
very prone to flooding and erosion, which will be upgraded
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
All right, how's your weather?

Speaker 11 (20:34):
Very frosty this morning, but should clear to find northeasterlyes
developing and we're on the way to twelve.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Have it Creton but still a bit chilly, but have
a great day, Claire Adam Cooper's and Wellington Hay Adam
willing Ryn. Affordable housing high on the list of priorities
for Merril candidate Andrew Little.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, that's right, certainly the most high profile candidate in
the race. Here what he made one of his first
campaign announcements yesterday focusing on making the capital more of
afordable for renters, and he's also said working families are
a focus for him as well. So he's given this
housing affordability policy basically wants to increase the construction of
affordable housing right through the city.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
A few ways.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
He says he would like to do this speed up
consents by giving the Council Chief Executive new KPIs to
bring down times to process building and resource consents. And
he's used those words red tape. He wants to reduce
the unnecessary red tape for developments within the district Plan.
And he's pretty much saying that for far too many
people right now, Wellington isn't an affordable place to live.

(21:34):
Rents are too high, many working people can't even dream
of owning their own home in the city. And at
the sharp end, we're obviously seeing a growing homelessness crisis
on the streets too. So whether that will achieve what
he's set out to do, I guess time will tell.
All right, how's your weather at him? Fine morning, Frost's
around to start things off with north east and also twelve.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Nice one and nevas in Auckland. Good morning, good to morning.
Let there be liked never.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
He said, like count Dracula for goodness sake. Yes, and
that is right. Because road access ryan to the historic
Monaco Heads Lighthouse now that's been restored. This is after
two and a half years, so Auckland Transport has been
very busy wrapping up the construction. This is on this
new section of Monaco Heads Road. It was rendered impassable
by landslipe now that happened during cycling Gabrielle back in

(22:23):
twenty twenty three. So Monaco Heads Lighthouse Trust sees it's
welcoming seeing life return to the site. I've never been there.
I've just actually had a look on the website. It
looks amazing and you can actually, you know, just for
that lighthouse. You can it's you know, like for weekends
and you can take a stroll up there. So it's
great now that this road is finally, you know, like reopened.
It's quite a beautiful part.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, people get obsessed with light. How there's one at
Cape Palliser down in Wellington that people go and like
do a Sunday drive and go and visit.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
But is it like you've been to one lighthouse? You've
seen them all?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think so it's like churches.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I was looking one there.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
What's that screen lighthouse? Where that one's from? This is
in the background of the studio. I don't know where
that lighthouse is from. They're all meant to be quite
with this, the beehive, there's the skytower and a random
lighthouse probably the Monico Heads. Hey how's that weather? Fine?

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Morning frosts again in shelter places for Auckland fifteen to
height Todays one.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Neither think you great, to see you as always eighteen
minutes away from six. Quick update for you. This is
not important, but you know Brad Pitt's house got broken
into when he went to he was filming the IF
one movie and his house which, by the way, this
news article from the US gives us address. I would
have thought if you Brad Pitt in the newspapers publishing
your address, not a great thing North Edgemont Drive. For

(23:40):
anyone who's visiting Los Angeles, that's Brigelibs. Anyway, So these kids,
they've arrested for people sixteen to eighteen year olds arrested
for breaking into Brad Pitt's house. Mentioned what would be
in there? How much stuff you could steal, not just
valuable stuff but interesting stuff, collectible items. Anyway, they break in,
they've been arrested. But they're part of a criminal gang,

(24:03):
street gang targeting, specifically targeting celebrities homes, so they find
out where they live. They wait till they know they're
away filming a movie, and then bam, they're in there.
Eighteen minutes away from six News talks they'll be Mitch mccannon.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Is next, International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace
of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Newtok theb It's quartered to six Brook Van Velden. Next
right now, Mitch McCann are US correspondent. Mitch, Good morning, Ryan,
how are you very well? Thank you? Trump pooshon meeting
obviously Saturday our time, Friday, your time going to be
a big one. And we're hearing a little bit about
Trump's game plan. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
He's had a meeting this morning with world leaders or
European leaders. Rather, they've been trying to get him on
the phone to speak among themselves and with Volodi Mezelenski,
and they say they hammered out a strategy today with
the President before this meeting in Alaska. And one of
the things they are really insisting on is they are
making sure that before any peace plan happens, or any

(25:03):
territory swaps or anything like that, Vladimir Putin has to
agree to a ceasefire first. And the other thing they
want is that there's going to be no negotiations for
land swaps without Ukraine at the table. Now, what is
interesting here is the White House is sort of playing
down what might come out of this. They called it
a listening exercise yesterday, a chance for Trump to really
listen to Putin in terms of what he wants. So

(25:25):
we're not really expecting a complete peace deal here. But
Donald Trump does want to get something out of this,
so he's going to listen to Putin and he's hoping
for a ceasefire before perhaps a second meeting that involves Zelenski.
But he did say today two reporters if there is
not an agreement on some sort of ceasefire on Friday,
there will be very severe consequences. Without elaborating on what

(25:47):
exactly they'll.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Be, okay, but cryptic. How are you sweaty, betty right now?
I'm just looking at it's thirty one degrees feels like
thirty four in New York City. Quite hot in the US.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
Yeah, bit of a sweaty betty here the UN Office, Ryan,
but it's much hotter in Arizona, where it's reported four
hundred people may have died from heat exhaustion this year
in Maricopa County. Now, get this, it's about I think
it's the thirteenth of August today here in the US.
Every day in August so far this year in Arizona,
it's been at least forty three degrees celsius. So it

(26:20):
is scorching hot and they're struggling to keep people safe.
They have this problem every year. They set up things like,
you know, calling rooms at local councils and local schools
and things like that. But at the moment, they suspect
up to four hundred people may have died because of
the heat.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Very hot. Thanks smtch, take care, Mitch, mcan Our, us
correspondent thirteen minutes away from six Ryan Bridge, Jacinta Adan,
Chris Hoipkins won't be showing face at the Royal Commission
of Inquiry into COVID nineteen and now they've decided to
shut down the second week of public hearings. Is basically
they're no longer justified. Brook van Velden, minister responsible for
this inquiry, joins us. Now our good morning.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Minister, Good morning Ryan.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Can you change the terms of reference to force these
guys to turn up?

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Look, I'm not changing the terms of reference because it
is possible for the Commission to issue a legal summons
to them. However, I don't think it's really the fault
of the Commission that they've been forced into the situation
of needing to make that decision. It would have been
much easier if Justinder Iurdourne and Chris Hipkins just do

(27:27):
the right thing and turned up to the public hearings.
And so, you know, while there might be some focus
on the commissioners who have been forced into this decision,
this is really about the fact that Justinder Idourne and
Chris Hipkins were very willing to stand publicly every single
day and make huge decisions on people's lives quite publicly,

(27:50):
but are unable to do that or unwilling to do
that now. So I think it's quite confusing for many
members of the public who are still feeling the effects
of the COVID lockdown.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
It is including Richard who says, yeah, I'm completely flabbergasted
by this. They should be forced to be called as witnesses.
This is a COVID nineteen Royal Commission of inquiry. Why
doesn't the government force them? You know you could do that,
couldn't you, Brook? So why not?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, we cannot as the government force their commission to
do any particular thing. It is an independent inquiry, and
that's really important because all Royal commissions are independent. My
belief is that the terms of reference does allow the
commissioners to use a summons if they would wish. However,

(28:40):
what they have described in their public minute and in
conversations with me is the difficulty of you know, the
terms of reference for this commission is not to try
and find blame or act like a court of law.
It is to be a fact finding mission, yes, to
enhance public confidence so that we have better play and

(29:00):
for the future of the pandemic ever happened. And now
the difficulty that the Register and there I don and
cricipns have put the commissioners in is if they are
forced to issue legal summons is then obviously it becomes
adversarial and legalistic, and I think that's a real shame
that they've been forced into the situation.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Which is that this is the problem right elling With
has said that it is our opinion that the use
of summons is to achieve their participation into public hearing
would be legalistic and adversarial, which are terms of reference prohibit.
So the problem is the terms of reference. I mean,
either you want them and it's important for them to
be they're publicly facing up, or it's not.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, I think this is really focusing too much on,
you know, the commissioners and the decision that they're needing
to land at, whereas we would never be in this
situation if they just did what the commission had asked.
And I think the difficulty that the commissioners are in
is if they are are forcing and using a legal summons,
what is it going to be like in the actual

(30:03):
public hearing? Is it going to be a fact finding mission?
Or is it going to be legalist, is it going
to be adversarial? Is it becoming a blame finding a
mission where the public hearing may not actually get what
it deserves. And I think that's the real difficulty of
forcing somebody to appear. Chris Hipkins really should just do

(30:24):
the right thing, appear in public like he did every
single day at the one pm briefings. And I think
the real question is why is it that they are
willing to give the commission information in private but not
in public like they did during the COVID lockdown years.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Brook, appreciate your time this morning. Brook van Valden is
the Minister in charge of the COVID nineteen inquiry. It
is eight minutes away from six. Mike, by the way,
is going to be interviewing Chris Hipkins just after seven
o'clock this morning live here on News Talk CEB. He
is with us in the studio.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Next News you Need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and One Room Love
where you Live News Talks.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
That'd be good morning. It six away from six on
News Talks, he'd be David Lammy, who's the Foreign Sectory
in the UK, and jd Vance. They had a bit
of a mandate, a little bilateral meeting, a bit of
summer fishing in Kent in the UK, and they both
broke the law. They were illegally fishing. What kind of
staffer of David Lammy's didn't sort out the license of

(31:30):
fishing licenses that you need. Apparently jd Vance's kids are
the only one who actually caught fish. But the Foreign
sectary has now had to report himself to the Environment
Agency because they failed to get the necessary rod license.
There you go, two crooks, six to.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Six, Ryan BRIDGEB.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
And Mike's here next with Chris Sipkins on the show
this morning. Yeah, what a thrill.

Speaker 13 (31:52):
That will be so funny. What do you reckon the
process is when you decide to do what he's done,
because it's someone in the must have said, yes, this
is going to look really bad for you and he
and you can't argue it doesn't look bad for him.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, but you get what they What he did is
get on the blower to just We'll get on the
blower to Grant and just Cinda and I share and
they did a conference call and they decided this is
not for.

Speaker 13 (32:15):
Us, no fair enough but if you're Grant and Cinda,
you don't care because you're elsewhere and you're not held
accountable anymore. He's got to go back to the public
of New Zealand next year and go, remember me last
time I was in charge of stuff, Here's what happened.
And also, by the way, when they went to ask
me some questions about some of that stuff, that didn't
really want to turn up.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
The thing that the number of excuses we heard from
them yesterday that they'll Tampa with the video I don't
want to be just shouldn't be a witch hunt, which
is exactly what they did to people from.

Speaker 13 (32:46):
The pod percent. The thing is, that's what fascinates me
most of all is it's indefensible. There's not an argument
to your point. Those excuses are pathetic. We all know
they're pathetic, and somebody surely within that party goes, look,
I know it could look bad or whatever, but this
it's the worst option is not fronting.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, I think the political calculation would be that do
people still care? That that's fair point the care factor,
Because there was a clip on the news last night
a couple of boxes and a couple of them said,
oh jeez.

Speaker 13 (33:21):
That was Yeah, but did you see the people who
said it. I mean, if vox pops a representative of
New Zealand, then we're all finished. So I wouldn't place
any weight on those. But yeah, you're right, so the
time thing is. But believe me, if I was running
against him, I'd run the capital gains tax. Yeah, I'd
run his support for Hamas, and I'd run him not

(33:44):
turning up to COVID. And if I can't win an
election on that and that alone, then I don't deserve
to be the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, I'm looking forward to this interview, Mike, Well, what
do you do?

Speaker 13 (33:53):
I mean, it's pathetic.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Is there a rare gym? You and Chippy? Me and
Chips Dad Don that's at seven o'clock this morning News
Talk said.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
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