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August 27, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Thursday 28th of August 2025, the government's fast tracking new supermarkets to boost competition in the sector, Labour's Arena Williams shares her thoughts. 

Figures from Cotality show house price/income ratio his back to pre-covid levels, Oneroof Editor Owen Vaughan tells Ryan why that is.

The gender pay gap is at the lowest it's ever been, Mind the Gap co-founder Dellwyn Stuart shares her thoughts. 

Plus US Correspondent Toni Waterman has the latest on a school shooting in Minneapolis. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge on
an earlier ishow with one roof love, where you live,
news talks, There'd be Good Morning.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
At a six half to five Nichola Willis and the
big Yes campaign, the supermarkets before six were in the
US with our correspondent. A hot tip for you this morning,
where to buy a rental property right now? And the
gender pay gap, the interesting new number. We'll talk about
that shortly.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It is Thursday to twenty eighth of August. Another school
shooting in the US, this time Minneapolis, a Catholic school.
Two kids are dead, seventeen injured.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
During the mass, a gunman approached on the outside, on
the side of the building and began firing a rifle
through the church windows towards the children sitting in the
pews at the mess.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The shooter was armed.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
With a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. This was
a deliberate act of violence against innocent children.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
That guy's now dead.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
These kids were literally praying they should be able to
go to school or church in peace without the fear
or risk of violence, and their parents should have the
same kind of assurance.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
The IDFC is evacuating Gaza City is inevitable. This is
as troops prepared for the takeover. We've been reporting on
this this week. Meanwhile, Trump said to chair a White
House meeting on Gaza's post war future.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
But this afternoon there's a separate meeting here in Washington
between Secretary of State Marc Rubio and Israel's foreign minister.
But there's been a little indication of what any expected
outcomes of this are. Twice in the last several days,
Witkoff has said that the US beliefs they'll bring this
war to a close by the end of twenty twenty six,
and yesterday, during a cabinet meeting, Trump said he thinks

(01:43):
they could end in as little as two to three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
The South Koreans, like Luxin's phone band for kids in schools,
are doing the same thing in their classrooms. Lawmakers educate
as they argue the smartphone US is affecting students' academic performance,
takes away the time they could have spent guess what studying.
And finally, SpaceX has pulled off a successful test flight
of its Starship rocket after a string of failures. The

(02:06):
world's biggest rocket launched from Texas for a sixty minute
flight down to.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Two Lace little of Harvard and Landyburn shut down.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Great okay. NASA plans to use it to send humans
to the Moon. First missions will be twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Ryan Bridge and one Roote Love Where you
Live News Talks had been nine.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Two ninety two is the number to text this morning.
Beware the law of unintended consequences. We've seen a bit
too much of this lately, and I'm just not happy
about it. Governments do stuff thinking they will fix a problem,
and then they end up maybe making things the same,
or actually, in some cases, making them worse. Last week
we spoke about electricity, and I told you the Gen

(02:56):
tailors are giving their retail armored discount. This is what
is alleged Gen Taylor's. They give their retail armored discount. Right.
This means the smaller players pay more, and the big
guys protect their patch and shut the little guys out.
So government comes in and says, well, you must offer
the same price to the little guys that you're offering
to yourselves. Great. Sounds like a good solution, except, as

(03:20):
we told you this guy from Griffith University who studies
this stuff. He says, hang on a minute, the big
boys will just stop giving themselves the discounts and charge
the little guys exactly the same. So the end result
is actually higher prices for us the consumer if you're
with one of those big operators, the opposite of what
we wanted. Yesterday, I was reading this report were released

(03:43):
from the Imported Motor Vehicle Industry Association, which I did
not know existed, but now we know. They're ringing the
alarm bells about truckies. We've tightened up the emissions requirements
for heavy trucks that we bring into the country. You know,
we don't want as much carbon in the air, et cetera,
et ce. Doing the same thing with used and new imports. Right,

(04:04):
idea is great, idea is nice, save the planet, but
you end up shrinking the pool of trucks that are
available to be sold here in New Zealand, and that
pushes the price up. They reckon that this change is
coming in November. They reckon it'll push the price up
for a heavy truck by thirty five to forty grand.
And what a truckes do? They just hold on to

(04:25):
their higher emission trucks for longer because they can't afford
the new trucks more emissions. See the theme problem pops
up your grocery prices, power prices, climate change, you name it. Whatever.
Media gets hysterical, Yes, I know that's us, and then
government's buckle they need jerk. Then you're back to where
you started or worse. Ry and Bridge New Talks EB.

(04:48):
It's eleven after five. Next we'll talk about this interesting
number on the pay gap. It's good news, but what
does it tell us about the causes of a pay gap?
News Talks MB.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan
Bridge and one roof Love Where you.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Live News Talks at B five thirteen. This is why
you don't feel richer. We had June labour market data
from stats in z out yesterday. So your median weekly
earnings from wages and salaries thirteen hundred and eighty dollars.
That's your median weekly thirteen hundred and eighty dollars for
the quarter. Now, that is an increase of two point
eight percent on the same quarter in twenty twenty four.

(05:30):
And then you look at the price of the inflation
increase two point seven percent in the year to June.
So that's why you feel like you're going why we
all feel like we're going a bit sideways at the
moment five point thirteen.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
The difference between the salaries of men and women is
the lowest it's ever been. Stats Insed says the gender
pay gap fell from eight percent last year to just
five point two percent this year. Delwin Stewart is Mine
the Gap co founder with me on the line this morning, Dlwin,
good morning, good morning. Why is this do you think?

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Well, on the surface, that's a historical drop. It's the
biggest drop we've ever seen since it started to be recorded,
But we need to be cautious as that may just
reflect job losses amongst low paid women rather than true gains.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
So because of the state of the economy, that's what's
causing the drop.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Yeah, in a week labor market women, especially at those
in lower paid jobs, can be dispropertionately hurt. So if
they're leaving the market, that distorts the number. We've seen
that happen historically at other times of recession or tough
times where unemployment has spiked and it gives an artificial

(06:44):
improvement in number. But unless you look under the hood
and you understand what's really going on and all the factors,
then you can be misled by a headline number.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Do you think the number will go back up as
things improve?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
It's a danger that it will.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Is this because women do more part time work?

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yes, women do tend to opt because they're still carrying
the majority of the load of parenting, they tend to
opt for part time work more. And it's often those
roles that are cut. We saw that really strongly during COVID,
that are all of those part time roles just divanished.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
If the gap improves when things are tough, does it
not prove that it's not sexism that's actually causing it.
It's the type of work. You know, part timers don't
progress as much done you paid as much.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
So, there's been numerous studies that have looked at this
about what actually is affecting contributing to the pay gap,
and consistently they show that only about twenty percent of
the gap is about the type of work you do,
the education that you've had, the sector that you choose

(07:56):
part time full time. The rest of the eighty percent
is unattributable to those things, so we don't know. Well,
that's where we say, that's the kind of things come
into play, like sexism basically and racism, because this gap
is only giving you the averages and it's not telling

(08:17):
you what the gap is for Mariian Pacific woman and
traditionally it's significantly larger for Mariian Pacific women.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Darwin, has anyone compared part time men to part time
women to see how big that gap is?

Speaker 6 (08:31):
I haven't. I'm not aware of it of that.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Wouldn't they give us a pretty good sense of whether
that is what exactly the problem is.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean we all look like to think that
there is one problem to and they will solve everything
the silver billet theory, but actually there's not one solution here.
There's some really good changes that have been happening in
the last five years. The Minded Gap campaign really changed
was understanding of the issue. The government will recently have

(09:02):
created a free pay gap tool that's freely available that
it helps people to address this and understand it in
their business. There are good things happening. It's just a
danger of looking at one number and thinking there's one
solution that isn't going to solve our problems do.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I would appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for being
with me. Dylan Stuart mind the Gap co found a
time a seventeen after five y're on News Talks EDB,
One Roof, a property expert with us next Got the
Prices and the Hot Tips News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
On your radio and online on Iheard Radio Early Edition
with Ryan Bridge and One Roof Love Where You Live.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
News Talks EDB nine two nine two. The numbers of
text will get to your text in just a second.
Yet more proof now is the perfect time to buy
a house, particularly if you're a first home buyer. Figures
from Catality show house price income ratio back to pre
COVID levels. Mortgage repayments now make up around forty four
percent of the median household income. The peak was fifty seven,
the same that was back in twenty twenty two. On

(10:02):
vonn is the editor of One Roof and with us
this morning, Good morning.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
Good morning, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
You're saying, don't walk but run to the bank.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
Run to the bank. Well, I know where people should
run too, because look when you look at these figures
and it's positive, but I think for a lot of
people who are out in the market, they see things
like this and they just go, Wow, houses still cost
a lot, And I think, yeah, affordability is improved, but
I think it's more about houses are just less unaffordable.

(10:35):
But there are a lot of pockets out in the
market that first one buyers should be targeting. And I
think that's where kind of know that the focus should be,
that buyers should be still looking for where there's value,
and I think there is a lot of value there.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Where where are the pockets you're talking about?

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Well, not a suburb that's on a lot of people's
radar for a lot of reasons, but o Tara Atara
is a suburb where right now kind of no houses
on full sections are probably the cheapest in Auckland. And
that's a fantastic kind of deal for kind of personal

(11:16):
buyers right now. Like back in the speak of a market,
Otara was a million dollar suburb. That's hard to imagine,
but the price frenzy that was going on then drove
prices up in that South Auckland suburb, which was really

(11:37):
a kind of an area where there was those social housing.
It wasn't kind of not a desirable suburb in Auckland,
but these prices rose to a million dollars and that's
because developers piled in thought they should buy flat sections
for reasonable prices bill townhouses make a fortune. That all

(12:00):
collapsed and now prices in Otara have come down round
about kin of twenty percent since the COVID peak, and
pretty decent houses X state houses are going there for
around about six hundred thousand dollars. That's that house in
Auckland for six hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
And then what will I be worth in ten years?

Speaker 8 (12:24):
Well, that's the thing that currently there's a restriction imposed
by water care, and that means that developers can't build
new stock and connect it to the wass for supply
sewerage supply. That means those houses are basically worthless developers.

(12:46):
But those wark care restrictions will left in a round
about ten years time, so no one should be kind
of piling into Atara for speculation. But it does mean
that that suburb once those what or care restrictions are lifted,
maybe I'm around about ten years, maybe fifteen years, there
will suddenly be wor a lot more than what they are.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Not really interesting stuff I'm calling the bank. Appreciate your time.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
This on Parliament.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Own born, editor of one Roof on news Talk CREB.
It's twenty three minutes after five. Brian, no professional development.
I've never done this. Have you ever done professional development?
I've never had the opportunity to. I just don't think
we're in the type of industry that does it. Maybe
I need it, I don't know professional development. I've got
friends who what are you doing on on the way

(13:38):
and professional development this week? So I won't be in
the office And you get email bounce backs on PD?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Anyway, this happens, and I always a picture and I
think it's like they must go to some retreat and
do like a wellness you know, do breath work, and
there's some guy that comes out, like to Tony Robbins,
who comes out and tells them about his life story,
and then they all feel great and they clap in
high five and go back to work and they're just
as crap as they were to begin with. Well, there's

(14:05):
an Errow report on teachers and professional professional development which
has dropped this morning, and they said half of teachers
reported after going to a PD session, half of teachers
report they are not completely clear about how to use
what they have learned. A third report little improvement, a

(14:26):
quarter report no improvement to student outcomes. So it just
reinforces everything I previously believed about professional development. Twenty four
after five The early.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio how It By News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
News TALKSB. Twenty six after five. All goods so far
from Nichola Willison's Supermarkets. I reckon she's got to the
nub of the problem, which is basically red tape. Governments
of all stripes, including her, have been quick to point
the finger at private enterprise for higher prices, and their
is truth in that, but most haven't looked in the
mirror like Willis did yesterday and admit it's them that

(15:06):
also has a problem. We all do. Really, everyone moans
about prices, but then moans about construction of anything new
not in my backyard. The whole NIMBI movement, consultation up,
the Wazoo committees, petitions, duncan web on a soapbox. That's democracy.
Like Churchill said, the lesser of two evils. It's taken

(15:26):
them two years to get here, but they could have
just listened to our interview with the former managing director
of Costco back in March. Of course, he told us
all of this then, and the other big problem real
estate prices for those wanting to build and develop and
shipping getting your goods here to the bottom of the
world on their time frames is another big one, especially
when you're operating at scale like a Costco. We spoke

(15:50):
about this last week. They will tinker around with the
fast track the consumer laws and then plaster their presses
with the threat of breaking up the duopoly divestment, forcing
your pack and saves you will worse to sell some
of their stores to a new entrant, to a third entrant,
forcing your food stuffs to sell some distribution centers. Maybe,

(16:13):
And what I said last week is still true now.
ACT won't go for it, so it's a non starter.
Plus even the ComCom said it's risky as cost could
outweigh benefits. So Willis should stop with the threats. If
you own a supermarket right now and your livelihood is
being threatened, are you going to invest, are you going

(16:35):
to hire staff, are you going to plan an expansion?
The threat is purely political and could end up doing
the opposite of what Willis wants it to do, so
just put it in the bin already. Brian Bridge, Oney,
eight minutes after five, I want to play for you
a clip from Duncan Web actually because it goes to

(16:56):
the heart of what Nichola Willis was saying yesterday about
people get in the way of development. Ext you. We
haven't got time. I'll have to bring it to you
after the news, which we will do shortly, and then
get to our US correspondent. There's been a shooting. Another
school shooting at a school, this one in Minneapolis, a
Catholic school. Two children have been killed. Our US correspondent

(17:17):
has the latest. And then we look at supermarkets before
six news Talks. EBB, you got the fattest car.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's a fast enough so we can fly.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
We still going to make a decision, leave nine and
live died this way.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Views and views you trust to start your day. It's
early dship with Bryan Bridge and one roof love where
you live news talks at b.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
I wan.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
It is twenty four away from the six year. On
news Talks, we'll get to adding a will from labor
on the supermarket changes. What exactly would they do differently?
That's coming up before six a US correspondent with us
to Duncan Webb, who's christ Church MP and Labor MP.
He did a little video which hasn't aged well given
what we're talking about this morning. And this was on

(18:18):
the site of a proposed Woolworth store in edgewhere in
christ Church, which remember Nichola Willis has come out and said,
too many of us are holding up big no signs,
and we need to hold up big yes signs. And
if we fast track development of supermarkets, we'll get more
of them. We might even get a third entrant. We
might even get cheaper prices. Here's what he said outside

(18:39):
the side of a proposed Woolworst sign.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
Here I am it's a suburban neighborhood with a few
new houses and a whole lot of old ones as well.
And here we are.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
This is HbA Village.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
You know my local shopping CENTI we've got the supermarket
where I get last minute groceries. You might have seen
me at Bailey's Bar for the quiz on a Monday
or Sunday night. Had a whole lot of other shops, Farmers,
gas station, you know, the fish and chips, the whole lot.
And as you can see it's a it's a busy environment,
little shopping center. So I think that the past track
process is a bad idea because communities like this deserve

(19:12):
to have us say about what goes in their backyard.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So is here a Nimby and a Nimby backer nine
to nine two lots of text on PD professional development too.
We'll get to those shortly. Twenty two to six reporters
around the country. Collums in Dunedan Collum, Good morning, morning, right,
A big discussion about the future of woolah.

Speaker 10 (19:34):
This is happening around at Otaga and Southend at the
moment with the Federated Farmers Meet and Wool Chair Richard Dawkins.
He's discussing its future at workshops around the region. He's
a meeting with industry leaders to comprehend what's next and
try and engage farmers in the future of strong wool.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
A lot.

Speaker 10 (19:52):
This comes as the wool sector has fallen from as
much as sixty five percent of sheep income in the
eighties to just one or two percent today. Despite that,
though New Zealand still produces ten percent of the world's
strong wool, Dawkins says new investment and innovations, creating opportunities.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Farmers need to get behind the change makers.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
He says, there's reason to hope that our strong wool
industry has turned a corner. He's in Balcluther and Middlemarch today.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
All right, good to know. How's your weather.

Speaker 10 (20:19):
Rain develops this morning, but clearing this afternoon for us
Northeris and a high sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Here's Collen Jamie Cunningham for christ Jamie. Good morning, Good morning, Ryan.
Christ Church is turning it into a is turning on
a catwalk for New Zealand Fashion Week.

Speaker 11 (20:34):
Yeah, that's right. The Spring Fashion Festival is coming to
the Garden City this November, featuring a large scale show
celebrating local designers with speaker events and pop ups and
key christ Church locations. Now, of course, Fashion Week is
currently on in Auckland, so this is the start of
the event moving into a dual host format for the
next three years, and owner feroz Ali says they're thrilled

(20:56):
to bring it to christ Church as it's a city
that knows how to reinvent, push boundaries and celebrate creativity.
He says it marks a bold new chapter for fashion
in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
It's cool who do you reckons better dressed? Auckland or
christ Jurch. I guess we'll see, won't we en the photos?
How's your weather, Jamie?

Speaker 11 (21:14):
Well, it's cloudy today with northerly's becoming stronger this afternoon
and a high of eighteen Thank you and.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
With Wellington News this morning, Kate rickad Cake, good morning
to you. Morning right, more disruption expected for transmission Gully.

Speaker 12 (21:27):
Yes News Talk ZBS learned MZTA is planning to resurface
several kilometers of the road north of Potadua. That's likely
meaning lane closures during the day and full closures at
night while work is carried out from October till March.
It comes just three and a half years after the
one point twenty five billion dollar highway belatedly opened and
relates to a legal battle with one of the road's
builders over unfinished work and quality issues.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, there have been problems having there, but damn it's
a good highway. How's our weather in Wellington? Cake fine?

Speaker 12 (21:55):
Apart from high cloud by afternoon, show was turning to rain.
The high fourteen degrees brilliant.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Thank you and Neva is an all time for us
this morning. Twenty away from six here on news talks,
there'd been neva good morning to good Morning. Have you
ever done professional development? A professional development course?

Speaker 13 (22:10):
No, would be too sure.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I just assume there are none for radio. I've never had.
I've never been sent on one, but you do hear
of lots of people doing it. And there's this story
out this morning on teachers who are doing professional development.
You would have read this, yes, and actually it doesn't
do much well.

Speaker 13 (22:28):
Do you think we should get you know, like, it
would be nice to do a course or a refresher.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I reckon too, because it's basically just a day off work.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Isn't it wouldn't it be?

Speaker 13 (22:37):
But what would they teach us how to enunciate eight?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You probably and not swear off the radio, which you
are obviously far better at than I am. But it
is true, but no, but.

Speaker 13 (22:47):
You are so good at other things like what taking off?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
The turning up comedy? Hey, what's going on? There's a
bit of a celebration for OFT.

Speaker 13 (22:59):
I didn't know about this and I saw it in
the news. I thought, wow, look, celebrating half a century
of relations between New Zealand and the Association of Southeast
Asian Nations. This is SCN forum meeting in Auckland today.
So this is marking fifty years and it's aiming to
increase two way trade obviously to fifty billion dollars. So
the forum here in Auckland is going to hear from

(23:19):
obviously the Trade Investment Minister. There'll be diplomatic and business
leaders here as well, and lots of those big discussions
overcoming trade barriers, working with the digital economy, trying to
be upfront and you.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Know, brilliant. And with that, how's our weather, baby?

Speaker 13 (23:34):
Professional development?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Maybe do you think find apart.

Speaker 13 (23:37):
From a chance of an afternoon shower rain tonight though,
but very warm? Eighteen eighteen is how high all that's
getting up there, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It is thanks neither good to see yep, Ryan, My
wife is a teacher of thirty years. She lives for
the job and totally embraces PD. But she has been
thrown into a six month professional development course. What her
feedback so far is that the course is completely irrelevant
to teaching in New Zealand in the twenty twenties. It's
run by an outfit that actually has nothing to do

(24:05):
with teaching, and they're using American teaching techniques. So what
is the point in that Thanks for your text? Ryan,
the speaker for professional development costs at least two hundred
dollars per day. You pay a reliever three hundred dollars
a day, plus you add into that your accommodation and
your travel costs. It would be better if they did

(24:27):
PD and the holidays because students wouldn't miss so much
time in the classroom. Love the show. This is signed
by someone who's their initials are PD. I'm not sure
if that's a joke. It is seventeen minutes away from six.
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Speaker 1 (25:44):
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Speaker 2 (25:50):
Next first, another school shooting in the US, this time
Minneapolis at a Catholic school. Our reporter is Tony Waterman,
our US correspondent joining us, Tony, what's the life.

Speaker 14 (26:00):
On this Well, just an absolutely horrific situation playing out
early this morning. The school was actually at mass it
was the first week of school. They were there celebrating
the start of a new school year, and according to officials,
a gunman came up to the side of that church
and shot through the windows directly at students. Two children

(26:23):
have now been confirmed dead, eight and ten years old,
killed essentially while sitting in the pew of a church praying.
Fourteen other children were injured. Officials say that two of
them are in critical condition right now, and also three
adults were injured. Officials say that the shooter acted alone
and then it seems as if he shot himself self

(26:46):
inflicted gun wound. They say he was in his early twenties,
that he does not have an extensive criminal history, but
he really showed up there fully prepared for this. Police
say that he showed up with a rifle and a
p hiss still and that he was firing all three
of the weapons that he had on hand.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I know it's early, Tony, but any idea why or
whether it was a former student or anything like that.

Speaker 14 (27:09):
Officials said they don't know if this is a former
student or a former employee at the school. They said
that he left behind a vehicle that they are searching
through trying to get any sort of information they can
about what a potential motive would be in this case.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
All right, Tony, appreciate that update. Tony Waterman, a US correspondent,
This morning. It is twelve to six. Rand Labour's on
the attack this morning over groceries. Consents to build new
supermarkets are going in the express lane. Thank you, Nichola Willis.
This is from years to months predatory pricing laws will
They're getting a beef up and Willis is keeping a
sledgehammer in her back pocket. A threat to break up

(27:46):
the duopoly still a live option, adding the Williams's Labour's
Commerce consumer Affairs spokespersing with me this morning, good.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
Morning, good morning for having met.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Great to have you. So you guys fired off for
press release yesterday, saying Nikola Willis has been dithering for
two years, didn't you guys have six?

Speaker 7 (28:01):
No, it has taken her a long time to actually
action any of the findings of the Commus commission study.
And let's take a look at what they recommended there.
They found how entrenched the problems with will wors some
food stuffs controlling around ninety percent in the market and
pulling more than a million dollars a day and excess
profits every year between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen. Now
is not the time to land on regulatory solutions which

(28:23):
actually benefit the supermarket duopoly and won't increase real competition.
We need to see action to make sure that grocery
prices are coming down for New Zealanders who were promised
that by the National Party at the election.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
All right, fear so, let's just be clear about what
exactly you support and you don't the consents. Are you
on board with what she's saying?

Speaker 7 (28:40):
The fast try a system makes sense and maintaining rules
changing in this circumstance is going to be a good thing.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Predatory pricing beefing up. You're on board with that.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
We need to see the detail of that. You could
do this regulatory reform in a way which actually benefited
the supermarket duopoly. I mean they've picked the option where
it will be illegal for dropping prices, so consumers aren't
going to see lower prices out of that one.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
You have said, this is tinkering, it's weak. What are
you saying exactly you would break up the DUOPOLYI divestment.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
We're saying that of the regulatory options which are available
in Likeiluillis and over in the labor patty, we have
been working on a suite of those, this is the
one that she has chosen which will lead to more
profitable stores for the existing supermarket jopy. I don't know
how they ended up on at least competition in the
market and more profitable stores, but those are the choices

(29:36):
that they have made with the suite of options that
were made available to them.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But you're not telling us what you would do differently,
What would you break up? Would you go for divestment?
Is that what LABOR is seriously looking at.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Labor was investigating its divestment options under the Commerce Commission's
study when we launched it into the grocery sector. That's
no secret. We thought about the change that it would
make in our money.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
But it's a list of problem you've spent six years
thinking nothing.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Okay, we launched a comments.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Study into safety of thinking.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
We unearthed a very cozy market there, made serious reform
under the Grocery Commissioner and brought in a grocery code
which is resulting in prosecutions. Now. Prices have come down,
particularly around the unfair pricing techniques that are going on
in store, things like fake specials, because of that work.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
All right, Adi, I appreciate your time this morning. Thanks
for being on the program. Adian and Williams's labors spokesperson
for Commerce and Consumer Affairs. Do you think, I mean,
it's sure it's a cozy market. Do you think anything's
going to change? Nine to six News Talks THEB The.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
News you Need this Morning and the in depth Analysis
Early edition with Ryan Bridge and one Root Love Where
You Live.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
News Talks B seven to six On News Talks, there
be a lot of people are giving me flat. I
just sort of wrote off professional development. This is an
Aero report came out this morning on teachers saying half
of teachers got nothing, report that they are not completely
clear about how to use what they learned during professional development.
A third say there was little improvement to their practice,

(31:07):
and a quarter say it doesn't lead to much improvement
and student out comes at all. So I just said
it's a waste of time. This person says, actually, they're
hugely valuable to our primary school and secondary school teachers.
I'm an admin and I envy the courses our teachers
are Privy two chairs, Elizabeth. So there you go.

Speaker 15 (31:24):
Just stop what racking people up in the teaching profession
and let them get on with their job. Just because
you've not turned out to be that good doesn't mean
that others don't want to try and improve.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
If I wasn't that good, would I be sitting next
to Mike Hosking? That's my question? Very professional development?

Speaker 15 (31:43):
Of course, not, of course not.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I don't think they have it in radio.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
No, they don't. And that's the problem with radio, isn't it.
I could give you some names too, but do.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know what my professional development is? Probably just being
in your presence?

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Mind?

Speaker 15 (31:54):
I reckon, there's a bit of osmosis going on. I
think I'm rubbing off Hope. Did you watch yesterday?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I did?

Speaker 15 (32:01):
Right, So here's here's your first problem. Why was no
one in the room from the media asking something like
everything you've just said you've said before, So why aren't
you doing anything? Or why did you need an RFI
when you knew what the problem was? And how many
people do you want to ask the same question to
to do nothing to before you actually do something or

(32:22):
words to that effect.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, but she said it as early as March about
the fast track for supermarkets, and.

Speaker 15 (32:29):
How embarrassing is it that all the and little don't
even want to take part, thus confirming what people like
me have said all along is sadly rightly or wrongly,
the market's too small, tiny little country, bottom of the world,
five million people plus.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
You talked to Costco. Was the managing director of Costco
when they came to New Zealand said it was exactly that.
It was your consents and your resource consents, but also
the price of land and shipping frequency.

Speaker 15 (32:53):
We've finally agreed. I think universally that the PaperWorks a problem,
the red tapes of problem. So sort it out, do something.
So she didn't even announce yesterday she's doing anything. She's
going to do something. The worst part of it was
the business of the company that's doing the research into
breaking up the market, which she won't do, by the way,
but the company that's looking into breaking up the market

(33:15):
is the same company that did the same work for labor,
So there's already a report. She's paying them twice to
do the same thing. Then they said when's the report.
She goes, I don't have a date on that. So
she doesn't have a date on it. She hasn't done it.
So what she actually done.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And the big kick out of all of this is
that act will never go for it. So this government
will never do anything more than what they have said today.

Speaker 15 (33:37):
Everyone should ask is when you're run into Nicola next
time at the supermarket? Is is anything in your trolley cheaper?
Because of her presence in this debate and the answer
is no. What a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Micaus will be next we help you speaking to Nicola
this morning along with Chris Quinn. It is three to
six News Talk Said Big Say Tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (33:58):
I thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
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