Softy & Dick 5-2 Hour 2: Mina Kimes on Draft; CFP Era Team Ranks

In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Mina Kimes about last week’s NFL Draft, the Seahawks picks, NFC West, and some Mariners, then the guys discuss an article that ranked all the college teams in the College Football Playoff era.

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with us. Mina Chimes. Backwith us, Mina, how are you?
I am good? Good to haveyou back on the radio show.
Lots to talk about the NFL Draftlast week we haven't spoken. And then
let's start there and just kind ofget your your big takeaways. Michael Pennock's
going number eight to Atlanta, abunch of Husky players getting drafted, Seahawks

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going after Byron Murphy at number sixteen. What were your thoughts walking away from
that draft last Saturday night. Yeah, you know, it's hard not to
start with Pennix, but I'll focuson the Seahawks first. Is I have
such a positive outlook on how thatwent. I mean, I don't think
the first two rounds, in conjunctionwith each other, could have gone better

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for Seattle. Obviously. One ofthe sort of upshots of Penis going as
high as he did, as wellas McCarthy and Nicks is a lot of
really, really good players were availableto teams that didn't need quarterbacks like Seattle,
and in Byron Murphy the second theygot a defensive tackle that I'll just
tell you a lot of folks areon the NFL told me they viewed as
the best defensive player in the entiredraft. I thought he was definitely the

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best defensive tackle, one of theplayers, you know, I felt fit
a pretty clear need on the Seahawksdefensive line that suddenly looks like an area
of strength for the team just sodominant. I mean, obviously the new
CX offensive corredator Ryan Grebb got agood look at him in the in the
semi final, but so stout againstthe run, Such a disruptive and polished

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pass rusher, I would say,even with room to grow, so athletic
and young at twenty one. Sothrilled about that. And then when they
add to Christian Haynes after that,the guard out of Yukon addressed probably my
other biggest concern about this football team, which is the interior the offensive line.
Really really really good player. I'vebeen watching him since they drafted him,
and I've really liked what I've seen, Really excited to see what he

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can do for the Seahawks offensive line. So there were there guys on your
board that you liked even better thanMurphy, because I think everybody's in consensus
he is a very very good defensivetackle. But they could have gone edge
right, They could have gone DallasTurner, they could have gone Jared Verse,
they could have gone Troy Fautanu.So who was of those guys or
somebody else? Did you have anybodyhigher than Byron Murphy that was still available?

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I actually would say fout talented wouldbe the one of all those players
that I that I would have goneback and forth on and I don't know
if you know Seattle did. Ijust loved his versatility. I think he's
so talented, And you know Imentioned offensive line obviously, the interior was
a big need for them. Edgewas a tricky one for me this year,
though, so I had a lotof trouble ranking the top edges.

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I thought they all had pluses andminuses. I actually thought loud to Lattu,
who ended up being the first edgetaken out of UCLA, was the
most talented edge rusher. Turner DallasTurner out of Alabama had the youth and
the health and the athleticism. ButI struggled with putting him over Lattu.

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So while I would have been thrilledif Seattle had taken him, no doubt,
an edge is, of course scenarioneed. Murphy Junior to me,
was the more dominant player. Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you
I am fired up for Byer Murphyas all of us are, especially after
watching him get behind the Husky offensiveline multiple times. And that's Sugar Bowl
yea on New Year's Day. Theguy can play. But if I'm being

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honest, I'm almost just as firedup for the garden from Yukon and Christian
Haynes. I mean, Jim morawwas on our show on Monday and was
just raving about this guy, almostputting his reputation on the line for this
guy on on Monday show. Sotalk to us about Christian Haynes and if
he looks like a day one starterto you, he absolutely does to me.

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I'm not gonna lie to you guysand say I was grinding Christian Haynes'
tape for the draft or that Ihad, you know, Yukon exposure in
college. But after we took him, you know, I started asking around
my friends who really study offensive lineplay, guys like Brandon Thorn and covers
offensive lignement so well, and theywere so high on him, both as
a pass protector and as a runblocker. And then I took the opportunity

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to watch a little bit. It'sso funny. You don't think offensive linemen
can have highlights guards He had highlightslike just rag dolling, those tackles,
super super pro ready, a polishedto me, a lot of starting experience
at Yukon. He's a little bitof an older prospect. Yeah, and
I just I think right now,when you're looking at that offensive line and

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you're seeing him, you know,in Laken Tomlinson, you really like what
they've done at guard, which wasobviously a glaring need given the departures many
Kimes is joining us. And mean, if you're not grinding Christian Haynes tape,
I mean who would really I meanabsolutely paid to be a breakdown.
I doubt you're doing it for Barneror Knight or Pritchett. But was there
any other Seahawk draft pick that eitherpopped to you or you had a lot

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of people in the industry come toyou knowing that you're a Seahawk fan and
saying, oh this was this wasa steal. Pritchett was the player who
I had seen a lot just watchingso much SEC football, you know,
to prepare for the draft, andI'd seen him go up against you know,
highly drafted receivers and he did flashhere and there to me on tape.

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I thought the athleticism really stood out. I think he has man coverage
ability. You know, there's definitelysome issues in coverage that explain why he's
not one of the top prospects taken, no doubt, but given this team's
track record of identifying cornerback and talentand developing it, I'm pretty fired up
to see what comes of him.And obviously I think that's gonna be a

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really interesting thing with the new regime, because that was Pete's calling card,
right the developing cornerbacks and wanting acertain profile of corner And I'm really curious
to see what Mike McDonald does withhim and if he views him as a
guy who could potentially Craig the startinglineup at some point, I mean at
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him on the web at Bridge Ptandwellnessdot com. And the Michael Pennock story
for us is obviously massively intriguing fora lot of reasons. And I'm kind
of curious who's potentially getting the worstend of that deal, Kirk Cousins or
Michael Pennix, Because if Kirk Cousinskills it in year two and takes the
Falcons to the NFC Championship, Ican't imagine them dumping him and going to

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Michael Pennix. I mean, there'sa shot he might have to wait till
he's twenty six, twenty seven toplay, So who got the worst end
of that deal? In your mind? It's a great way to phrase it,
and the way you put it,I think is why I objected so
much to the draft pick, whichis for this to work out for Atlanta,
Kirk Cousins either has to get hurtor he has to be mediocre or

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worse to the point where they wantto move on after spending one hundred million
dollars on him, and more likelythan not, unless there's an injury,
that won't happen until Pennix is twentysix. I don't love this for him
at all. I hate it.Actually, there were rumblings the morning of
the draft that he might end upin Minnesota. I wanted Vegas for him.

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I thought that was a really goodlanding spot, and as a fan
of the player and a believer thathe's the kind of player not just because
of his age, but because ofhis experience, his profile should compete to
start. I didn't like it atall. Straight up, Like I thought,
you know, if they were gonnatake anyone, it would be more

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developmental prospect and the pick would havemade more sense to me, by the
way, if they had taken youknow, a development like a JJ McCarthy
type for example, who is muchless experienced and younger. So I guess
to answer your question, I'd say, you know Penix, because I have
to think he wants to come inand compete for a starting job. You
know. The question that I haveis how could Atlanta miss this bat on

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Penix if they wanted him in thelong run anyway? And we've had people
come in and said they were justlaid in their evaluation. We've had the
other people say that they didn't reallyfall in love with him until they actually
flew out here and met him.I mean, it just sounds preposterous to
me when you have this army ofscouts and then you just fall in love
with a guy like two weeks beforethe draft. I mean, does that
does that register? Does that makeany sense to you? You know,

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he's a little known player, nobodyhad ever seen him play. Yeah,
they're right, it's crazy because ifyou like Panics so much, and again
you can make you can make acase for you know, him going super
high and a team falling in lovewith him. I get it. Then
you should have a sense of thatearly and off early enough. Pardon me
that you don't pay Kirk Cousins onehundred million dollars. They could have gone

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and signed Jakobe Brissette, who andthat would have been excellent. I think
you know bridge quarterback plan like Panicsand see what you got. It's the
combination of these moves that don't makesense because for this all to work out
for them, one of those choiceshas to be wrong. And I've seen
people argue, no, no,no, it's it's worth it because you
got to take multiple shots at quarterback. Fine, but the cost that they

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paid to take multiple shots is sounusual in the NFL and comes with tremendous
opportunity costs, not just for KirkCousins with the Penix pick, you know,
being so valuable and they could havetaken multiple defensive players potentially even but
also if they had taken Penix andnot paid Cousins, they could have gone
and signed to Neil. Sure.This is the worst pass Russian football.

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So yeah, I just, Ijust I've tried so hard to see their
side and I just don't see it. Well, we appreciate the effort.
In the end, now you gotto go with your gut, no question.
Mina Kimes is with us on theair, and Mina as a as
a lifelong Seahawks fan. All ofus are lifelong Seahawks fans. I hate
what the Rams did in the draftbecause I thought the Rams did really really

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well. How about you, Yeah, I do like what they did,
especially, you know, getting JaredBurs and Braden Fisk, two players who
sort of helped that young defensive linecompensate for the loss of Aaron Donald.
Also, players we've seen play togetherplay together well. I think they compliment
each other and they fit what theRams are doing. I don't think any

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of them as good as Fier Murphythe Second, So you know, i'llso
start there. I think I highlysuspect. I'll just say that that the
Rams would have taken Murphy the Secondif the Seahawks didn't, So that's I
think an advantage in the Seattle's favor. But there's no doubt that that defense

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added some young players. That said, guys, I think everybody's kind of
sleeping on the loss of Aaron Donald, like and not how good he is
as a player, but like justwatching Matt rams defense last year pretty closely,
he was still playing as good asany defensive tackle in the NFL.
That is a massive gaping hole inthe defensive line that cannot be filled with
rookies. Many times joining us BridgePhysical Therapy and Wellness just off fin ninety

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IMMERCA alland serving Seattle and the eastSide bridgept in Wellness dot Com. How
about the rest of the NFC West, I mean, my god, the
Cardinals had twelve picks, seven ofthem, eight of them in the top
one hundred. Unbelievable, So howmuch better did they get? And then
also would you think about the Niners. I think the Cardinals made the right
move in sticking to take Harrison Junior. They had a lot of draft picks,

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as you alluded to, so Idon't think they had to keep adding
there. And I like the otherplayers that he took, Darius Robinson's pass
rusher. I think the running backthat they drafted Benson is going to terrorize
us for some time. But there'sstill I still get the roster. I
still see a lot of holes,so I still think that's kind of like
a work in progress bit of arebuilding team. And then as far as

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the Niners go, you know againlike some interesting decisions. Pearcell, the
receiver they took in the first round, to me, signals that you know
they're probably going to move on fromone of their receivers after this year.
I suspect Deebo Samuel. But inthe short term, I think they're going
to run it back and look prettysimilar to the team we saw this past

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season. The Bears were seven tonine, only drafting number one because of
the deal with Carolina and for thisfor two years in a row, right
they had their pick of any quarterbackin the draft, and they gave up
on last year's pick and they tookCaleb Williams this year Roban Dunzay. Obviously,
is Chicago a playoff team in twentytwenty four after this draft? I

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think they are. The Only thingthat gives me a little pause is I
think the end if Norris is reallyreally good, happened pretty quickly. But
I look at all four of thoseteams and I could see any of them
making the playoffs, And with theBears, while the defense played a lot
better last year, I still thinkthere are holes there. I think it's
kind of the upshot of taking adooonesday at nine. Is that's another team

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by the way, that I knowfor facts loved buy and Murphy the second
by the and was considering him atnine. So I think they're going to
be definitely in contention. And obviously, as has been said, Nasim Williams
walks into one of the best situationswe've ever seen for a rookie quarterback.
But you know, it's new,a lot of change there, and I

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don't have them as division favorites,so they would have to be a wildcard
team. I mean, I doyou buy the rumor or slash report that
we saw out there that the Seahawkswere one of the teams willing to trade
up to eight for Penix? Ido not. Yeah, I don't buy
that. Yeah, I think therewas another team mentioned. I didn't buy
either. Frankly, why not justconversations I've had, honestly, let's start

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there. I'm not a reporter,so I don't want to be too definitive
about that, but I just,based on people I've talked to, I
would be very, very surprised ifthat's true. What do you think of
the Commander's draft? Ar Old paldan Quinn, I thought he crushed it
and you're one. What'd you makeat the job Dan Quinn did in company
in DC. I got my feelingsbecause I really love the players they took.

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Johnny Newton was one of my favoritedefensive tackles in the draft, and
to get him in the second roundI thought was robbery, So huge fan
of him. Stander's still at cornerof the slot corner out of Michigan's really
really, really talented. Uh AndI think that defense is going to be
vastly improved in some of the playersthat they had in free agency. However,
I have a couple of concerns aboutthe offense. I'm gonna get you

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something. We're doing a podcast nextweek on the Men Time Show. We'renna
talk about the Wokie quarterbacks and theirsituations. And one of the things that
I really struck me looking at theCommanders is the offensive line still has a
lot of question marks. You know, there was a lot of portse that
that was a team that was goingto either draft to tackle or trade up
for one, and it just didn'thappen early in the draft. And I
do have concerns about Jane Daniels playingbehind that offensive line unless they can address

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it. Did you have a favoriteteam that draft? There's a lot of
buzz about the two Pennsylvania teams.I mean, the Eagles and the Steelers
are getting lauded everywhere. Those areyour favorites or do you have something else?
Yeah? No, I mean Ilove what the Steelers did. You
talked about Troy Poutanu getting him attwenty. I think just I think he's
gonna be one of the best offensivelinemen from this draft in the NFL,

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and they've made a lot of stridesimproving that offensive line. They also grab
the center is pretty good. Soregardless of whether it's Russ or trustin fields
at quarterback, I think what theydid to protect that quarterback was really really
smart. Yeah. Mean of timesagain with us courtesy a Bridge physical therapy,

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wellness and mean, at least forme before you go, we got
to talk to you about the hometownnine here in Seattle. Just took a
series against the Braves. Day offtoday, big series against the Astros starting
tomorrow in Houston. Pitching staff isridiculous. One point five two e er
I think now in the last seventeeneighteen games for starters. How big a

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series for an early May series,despite the fact that Houston's been scuffling a
bit. How big does this serieswith the Astros feel tomorrow? I know,
I texted my friend Jeff passed andof course covers baseball for us.
Isn't it amazing that my son,who's seventh months old, seven months old,
has never lived in a world wherethe Astros are good. I just

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love that he only knows the lastRos. That's what they call him in
the Last Roads. It is bigobviously for all the you know, division
reasons and to continue to momentum.But they I think last time I was
on you, you guys talked aboutsort of the idea of going one hundred
against the good teams and beating thebad teams, and then the Mariners said,
screw that, we're going to beatthe good teams. And they went

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on this unbelievable tear. And becauseof that, because of these series wins
that they've piled up, it doesease a little bit of the pressure I
think on this series, as muchas of course like them to win.
So the debate that Sofia I've beenhaving the last few days is what's more
likely that their offenses, their offenseprogresses more than they're pitching regresses. And

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if that's the case, we gota low nineties win team, it's going
to easily make the playoffs, orthe pitching regresses more than the offense can
make up for it. In thatcase, you're like eighty five to eighty
eight and you're just sweating all Septemberlong. What's more likely? In your
mind? I really think this offensecan be better. And we've seen glimpses

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certain players sweetly black obviously, butlike they have shown regression in a positive
way. It's like it's just noteverybody at once. You know, it's
kind of been okay, well there'sJulio, Oh nope there, And I
think you need a few of theseplayers. Obviously, was good to see
some pop out of Garber and popis the operator, right, You know

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a lot of these players right now. A lot of our hitters seem to
be having trouble putting the baseball ashigh as they wanted to, And I
think if if we can see moreof that, I think we will.
Your first scenario feels plausible, butI do think you know, the team,
the organization also has to be aggressiveabout dressing the offense, and God

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knows. I still do that,no question. Hey, I said I
was done. I lied, Igot one more. I got to ask
you real quick. And I assumethat you've seen this, and if you
haven't, then I apologize. Whatdo you make of the way that Dion
Sanders has been behaving on social mediagoing after ex players? He's got a
log off and I don't obviously that'sthe consensus view, But he has the
thing like he's acting like, andI say this, I feel like now

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is the mother of a son.I can say this, but he's acting
like a dad, right, Likeif my dad was online and he saw
people clapping at me, he mightclap back too. The difference is,
my dad's not the head coach ofthe Colorado football team. And I think
that's what's going on here. AndI think maybe that's a little bit of
a gentle view of it, buthe's acting more like a dad than a

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coach, and I think that isa problem for the organization. Yeah,
no doubt, no doubt. Theylisten, great stuff and enjoy the rest
of the week, and we'll talksooner, right, thanks, you bet
me the chimes with us on theradio show. We're gonna break Nigel Burton,
by the way, I'm gonna bewith us at six o'clock tonight.
He's in town with a PAC twelvenetwork the final Husky football spring game broadcast
ever. Dick on the PAC twelvenetwork tomorrow night. Near the game,

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of course, on this radio stationfive o'clock. Brett Boone is joining us
right here on a busy Thursday onninety three to three KJRFM. Now back
to Sophie and Dick on Sports Radioninety three point three KJRF. So,
Washington Huskies, I see, Idon't they were home for the Huskies,
and I saw there was a anarticle online today about, uh, where

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Washington ranks among the top ten programsin college football? Well, we're Washington
ranks period over the last college footballplayoff era. So what was the what
was the quote from Jed Fish acouple of weeks ago about how this job
is different than Arizona because they've hadthree ten win seasons in their program history
and U Dub's had three in thelast what was it six years? Is

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that what he said? Yes,we have basically had as many as they've
had in one hundred years. We'vehad as many since you know, basically
the last five six seasons. Sothe question that this guy, who is
the guy that wrote the article aboutwell was a sporting do you want to
call him guy Bill Bill Bender,buddy brother of Bob, brother of Bob?
Really? No, not really?What about that? The Huskies have
had three ten win seasons in thelast six years, and they've had six

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of them in the last nine goingback to twenty sixteen. Sorry, five
of them in the last nine goingback to twenty sixteen. So it is
a different gig. But are theya top ten team? And I don't
know. I mean when you askcollege football fans around the country to give
somebody the top ten programs in collegefootball, I think the further away from

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the West Coast you get, thefewer people would put you Dub on that
list. I think that's fair.But I mean, when you use when
you just use mathematics, you justuse statistics. And that's what they did.
This was a They took opinion completelyout of it and they ranked it.
They gave you points based upon didyou win the national championship, did
you appear in a national championship game, did you appear in a Final four?

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Did you appear in a New Year'sSix Bowl. What your winning percentage
is consensus all Americans, NFL draftpicks, and Heisman Trophy winners, right,
those were the criteria used. Sothere's it completely takes subjectivity out of
the out of the way, whichit's nice. And before I even read
this article, I was thinking,Okay, based upon that criteria, where
should Washington be? And I justtried to count the teams that I knew

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would be ahead of them, andI only counted six that I knew would
be ahead of Washington. In fact, those six were the top six Alabama,
Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia,Michigan, and LSU. And then
I was like, okay, whoelse was better than Washington? For sure?
On that list? I did forgetOklahoma. They were number seven,

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Notre Dame was eight, and there'snobody else. Washington is number nine.
That's just using that formula. Usingthat formula, which I mean, I
NFL draft picks, final fours,college football, national championship games, I
mean, those are pretty good criteriawinning percentage, those are pretty good criteria
to use. Well, I'm lookingat a couple of teams here. Penn

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State, since twenty sixteen has hadfive ten win seasons or more, just
like you dub Oklahoma going back totwenty sixteen has had one two, three,
four five six ten win season,so one more than you dubbed.
And Oklahoma's ahead Washington, right,and you said Notre Dame as well.
The name was one ahead of Washington. Well, and then Notre Dame in

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the last six going back to twentysixteen has had one two, three,
four five six ten win seasons,one more than you dubbed. The team
right below us, which was niceto see that they're below us was Oregon,
and then Penn State was eleven,which is where they belong under our
boot. By the way, exactlyright, Oregon was number one again you
said ten. Okay, Well,I mean I would just say, from
an image perspective, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,

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Notre Dame. How many have Imentioned so far? Is that seven or
six teams? I've mentioned six?Those are all obviously bigger brands, I
think, in bigger programs than youdub But then when you get down to
like number seven, number eight,then you have to just kind of look
at hey, never mind the perception. Let's just talk about results. And
so if you dub, if you'retelling me we're just running straight numbers,

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and you dub is number nine yousaid yes, then yeah, I can
see that total. And what's what'sgood is that these kids that are recruit
being recruited are sixteen to twenty threeyears old, right if you include the
transfer portal guys. Right, Sothis is really the this is the only
era that matters. The college footballplayoff era is the only era that matters

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to kids that age, because that'sall they remember. And if Washington's a
top ten program statistically, a topten program in the only era that matters,
right, and you've got a bigtime recruiter as your head coach,
I mean things should be looking upbecause now you don't have to worry anymore
about what held Washington and Oregon andUSC down being on the West coast,

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nobody watching our games, playing atseven thirty at night all the time.
No, you're in the Big ten, these at least second best conference in
Americans. So the first year ofthe CFP was twenty fourteen, Is that
right to have that correct? Yes? So there's been ten years of the
college football plus ten years, that'stwenty teams that have played in the National

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Championship Game. All right, maybenot the same team, but twenty teams.
Do you know how many teams haveplayed in the National Championship Game?
How many programs? Nine? Nineteams have made up the twenty participants of
them in the National Championship Game?And Washington's one of them. Only six
teams have won a national championship Michigan, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, clems

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at, Ohio State, and thenyou add TCU, Washington at Oregon.
How many teams? You are oneof the nine teams in the last ten
years that have even played for anational title. Do you know how many
you've made two final fours? Madeone? Do you know how many?
I don't know this answer. Doyou know how many teams have made multiple
final fours? Yes? I canlook that up for you, because it's
got to be only like eight ornine teams. They're two multiple final fours.

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Alabama has made eight of them,Clemson's made six of them, Ohio
State's made five of them, Oklahoma'smade four, Georgia, Michigan three,
UW Notre Dame two, so eight. Dub is one of eight teams to
make multiple appearances in the Final four. So I mean, and that'll be
the case forever because the Final fouris gone. The evidence is there.
Like if you went to court andyou had one side, you had one

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side arguing for Washington to be considereda top ten program in college football and
one side arguing against. There's ahell of a lot more on the side
that says they are than there isthat says they aren't. In the college
football playoff era, how about this, let me let me just use the
let me twist the numbers to fitour narrative. Here. We like to

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do this with like Mike Holmger inthe Hall of Fame, coaches that went
to two Super Bowls, top tenand wins that took over programs that were
losing for four years before they showedup. So of the teams that went
to multiple Final fours that actually wona game in a Final four, Okay,
all right, it's one thing toget there, but then if you

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win a game in the final four, there are only one, two,
three, four, five, sixteams that have been to multiple final fours
and won a game. Because Oklahomais owning for one game and Notre Dame
is oh to two so Alabama,Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, Michigan,
U dub that's it. Those arethe six teams that have been there

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multiple times and have at least onewin when they get there. That's pretty
impressive, guys. Yeah, Imean impressive, which is why I always
say Washington will be fine eventually.It may take a couple of years to
get there. We may go throughthe muck like we did with Willingham and
Jimmy Lake, but they'll eventually figureit out. Well, I think,
because they always figure it out.I think what the Kalin de Borer era,

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as short as it was, did, was it reinforced how that it
wasn't just that era, because nowyou look back at the Chris Peterson air
and you're like, damn, thatera was pretty good too. Of course,
So other than two disastrous years withJimmy Lake, one being COVID that
you throw out of a mix,it's been a decade of being a top
ten program in America. I'd sayten wins are more three years in a

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row, getting too a final four, three straight New Year's Six Bowl games.
Obviously you wanted to win one,and they finally did that. I
still find it almost ridiculous that Washingtonwent twenty three years between New Year's Six
Bowl wins. I mean, thatis that really should never happen in Washington.
That's right, right, like winningten games, great, making a

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final four awesome, final PAC twelveChampionship conference titles. But from two wee
to Michael Pennix, I mean,dude, Marcus, he's like sixty now.
Honestly, I was talking to himyesterday. His folks were at the
baseball game yesterday. It's insane thatyou dubbed went that long. So I'm
curious to see how long it takesto get that next New Year's six Bowl

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win. How long will it be? And will Jenfish be the one to
do it or will somebody else bethe one to do it? Textimonials coming
up next. Brett Moon joins atfive right here on ninety three three KJRFM