Softy & Dick 5-20 Hour 2: Harrison Butker Speech & Kurtis Seabold

In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen discuss the viral speech from Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker last week that spoke about women’s roles in society then continue to discuss the story with Kurtis Seabold from Kansas City radio.

Episode Transcript

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Hugh, we have not spoken onthe air, I think since the Harrison
Butcker controversy, if you will,came across the news wire about five or
six days ago. I'm just curiousto get kind of your thoughts on how
that sat with you as as afather, as a husband, as an
ex NFL athlete. A couple ofthings I thought about, you know,

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questions would be, how would somethinglike this play in an NFL locker room?
Would the Chiefs believe that these commentsby Butker may end up costing the
franchise money in the end. Allthese things are all things that are talked
about when things like this happen inthe in the in the news media.
But Harrison Butcker, who went toa Catholic university last week and spoke at

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commencement UH talked about the meeting ofmotherhood for women, the vocation of being
a wife and a mom, wascriticized for comments against Pride Month, transgender
people, and President Joe Biden,among others. So it's a controversy that
will not go away. There isan an opinion and the Kansas City Star
that was published I believe yesterday thatsays the Chiefs should cut Harrison Bucker and

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hire a female to be their kickernext season. Somebody asked the White House
Press secretary if Harrison Bucker is stillgoing to be invited to the White House
celebration with the rest of the chiefswhen they show up to celebrate their championship.
So this thing will just will notdie. What's your take on all
this from your perspective? Well,a lot of serious topics there. I
told you Friday apologized that I hadn'tprepared. Well. Since then, I've

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I've watched the entire speech. I'vetaken the transcript and copied and pasted in
the Microsoft Word. It's eight anda half pages. If you're wondering at
eleven point front, good for you. So there's a lot to discuss,
and I think we should roll oursleeves up and just have a conversation.

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I think one of the ways thatsociety has regressed is that we have somehow
stifled meaningful conversation because everybody's scared ashell to say the wrong thing. And
I view conversations like this as like, Look, there's a marketplace of ideas,
and I think people should be ableto put forth their ideas into the

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marketplace and then have a reasoned responseto it, and then somebody could say,
hey, you know, I kindof had it right here, but
I missed the mark on this andthis and this, and I'm glad I
got that feedback. And that's theway I think society should advance with this,
because then people then we're all betteroff. We have better takes because

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we've had a responsible way that peoplerespond, and so I think some of
the some of the vitriol I thinkis a little bit misplaced. Now for
me, I do want to prefaceby saying I am I am a man
of faith. I arrived from that, not from opening the Bible, but
from a very careful, deep introspectioninto the origins the materialistic theories of the

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origin of universe and the origin oflife. And I find there to be
more evidence for God than I findthe evidence to be that there's no God.
Okay. Now, I also respect, I support a woman's right to
an abortion because I respect the establishmentclause of the First Amendment, and and
whatever cursory knowledge I have of Americanhistory, certainly this country was founded on

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the idea that people come here andthey want to have religious freedom. Okay,
so so I would separate any anybeliefs, and I absolutely support a
woman's right to an abortion. Solet me just there's three topics. Number
one, I'm just going to getthe deadly sin part of of of LGBT
equ and all that. To me, I have zero support for Harrison,

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Butker on that, Okay, Ican just make it real simple, Okay.
I think it's totally misplaced, misguided. I think you could call it
agent what have you. But Iwill say for Harrison, but cur he
was speaking to a Catholic church orexcuse me, a Catholic school, and
he says, as memory this isI'm reading from the transcript. As members
of the church founded by Jesus Christ, it is our duty and ultimately privileged

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to be authentically and unapologetically Catholic.So this reigns throughout his transcript, including
he rips on the bishops and thepriests and what have He takes on the
leadership of the church. Hard okay, But as it respects to the quote

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unquote deadly sin, don't support it. Item number two his attack on Biden,
and this is what he said,quote our own nation is led by
a man who publicly and proudly proclaimshis Catholic faith, but at the same
time is delusional enough to make thesign of the cross during a pro abortion
rally. End quote. Now,one of the great freedoms of this country

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is that people can criticize the president. Now, so if you only have
to have the slightest and I'm notCatholic, but you only have to have
the slightest of knowledge of Catholicism toknow that there's no part in Catholicism for
abortion and uh and and again Isupport a women's right for an abortion.

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So he's speaking two Catholics about hisCatholic faith. And and while I don't
agree with him, I don't vilifyhim. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna
pause here because we're gonna get tothe uh, the more meaty part about
the role of wives and women.But uh, but but go ahead and
react, because I don't want togo on a monologue here. No.
I think, I I think theI think the commentary from him about the

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role of wives and women is gettingninety nine point nine nine percent of the
reaction, uh from from this story. I mean, obviously, the transgender
portion of the of the speech LGBQTportion of the speech Biden criticism. There
was some somebody said there was someanti semitism in there, and I I
didn't sense that at all. MaybeI'm missing something As a Jewish guy,

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I'd like to know if there wasthat, but I didn't see that.
But the the portion about women uhin the workplace and being homemakers and wives
is is ninety nine point nine nine. And I think there's a lot of
people that are reacting to this thingthat didn't even hear Harrison Butcker's speech,
that are reacting to the reaction fromother people, and they're vilifying the guy.

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And again, maybe if they didhear the speech, maybe they would
have had the exact same reaction.Maybe they'd feel even more about it if
they actually heard the speech versus nothearing the speech. But I just wonder
from from two perspectives. You're inthe locker room with a bunch of guys,
A lot of them are married,have wives, girlfriends. Yeah,
how are they gonna feel about HarrisonButcker's perspective on womanhood and on well the

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nuclear family? And then how isthis going to affect the chief's bottom line
when it's all said and done.Yeah, yeah, And I get it,
and so just to the final topicwill be that. But I do
want to say this, The wordvocation snuck in there and we think,
oh, vacation, that's your job, okay. As Harrison Butker was using
the term vocation in his speech,vocation comes from the Latin word that means

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call, okay, and for aCatholic, it's not just what calls a
believers to do, it's what Godcalls believers to be. Bucker used the
term vocation fourteen times in his speech, and I think that's worth context as
I read that right, like,that's what he's saying. So just take

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out vocation meaning that's your job,lady, that's your job to be my
wife, and his interpretation of whatcould be God's calling. Okay, whether
you want to say that's appropriate orsinful or whatever, but at least at
least get in the mind of theway he was using the word vocation.
And he said this quote, howmany he's talking about to the ladies,

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how many of you are sitting hereabout to cross the stage and are thinking
about the promotions and titles you're goingto get in your career. Some of
you may go on to lead successfor careers in the world. But I
would venture to guess that the majorityof you are most excited about your marriage
and the children you will bring intothis world. And then he goes on
to say, uh that his wife'slife's uh uh truly started when she began

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living her vocation as a wife againcalling, and he says, I'm on
this and then he put he hegot choked up. He said, I'm
on the stage today because this andthis woman has leaned into her vocation her
calling. I am blessed with manytalents God has given him. But it
cannot be overstated that all of mysuccess is made possible because and he talks

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about the girl and and all ofthese Okay, now, uh, I
would say this, and I'm I'mgonna have an analogy. Do you like
the movie Butch Cassidy and the SundanceKid who does? Okay? Remember the
opening scene when uh, when they'replaying poker and and the guy accuses Sundance
at cheating played by Robert Redford.He stands up like he's gonna braw on

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him, and and Butch Cassidy,you know, played by Paul Newman.
He saying, hey, he's tryingto diffuse. Hey, let's just go.
Let's let's just go get up,and Sundances just staring at the guy,
and he goes, not until heasks us to leave, right and
so right and so so Cassidy kindof goes up, Hey, by the
way, that movie is fifty fiveyears old. You know that, right?

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Yeah? Oh god, so soso. Cassidy now comes over to
the guy and he says, hey, you really should just ask him to
uh to stay, even if youdon't mean it, and and then he
references with Sundance. And then theguy goes, you're the Sundance kid.
And all the while Redford whose Sundance, He's just staring at him, and
and and he and then Sundance slowlystands up, and the guy goes,

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well, if I draw on you, you'll kill me. He said,
yeah, he says, and andCassie says, well you better, you
better ask him to stay. Goes, yeah, I wrap it up.
Uh, he says, hey,will you stay? And then they go
nope, gotta get going. Sowhat's the point. The point is that
the decision, it's who's making thedecision, and and if but if.

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What Butker is saying is that ifyour choice is to be the matriarch of
a family and be a loving motherand father as as as is outlined in
Harrison's interpretation and the perhaps the Catholicway of thinking in the Bible. If
that is her choice, then don'tbe ashamed what he's saying the world.

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Don't don't don't act like that's nothonor to be a homemaker. In fact,
the biggest applause he got in theentire speech from the crowd, he
says it was when he said,uh, embrace one of the most important
times of all homemaker, and thathad the most the biggest response, because
again he's talking to Catholics. SoI would just say this, I think

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Bucker made a mistake in his wording. I think he should have emphasized,
emphasized listen, you're if you wantto attack your career. You're in callege.
You've got this degree, and youwant to go be the president,
you want to go be a presidentof companies, go get it. But
if it is your choice, likeSundansk, if it's your choice that you
want to be a mother and ahomemaker and be part of a loving family

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where your husband loves you equally andyour equal. Do not feel a shame
like somehow that is less honorable.Let me stop you right there first.
Let me stop you right there fora second, because a lot of the
reaction, I mean, guys,let's face it, and I mean,
Jackson knows this. You don't spendas much time God bless you, Hugh
on social media as we do.You're a smart guy, You're not a

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putch like we are, all right, but we spend a lot of time
on social media, and the wayyour view of the world and people's reaction
to the world is more often thannot for people like us, shape by
what we see on social media.And that's a shame, right. I
mean, God, are the daysof just having conversations with people walking up
to somebody at dinner, at thestore, on the golf course, at

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work. Okay, what do youthink? Here's what I think. Let's
talk. So the reaction that you'reseeing the Harrison Butker, my view of
the reaction is basically shaped by whatI see on social media, okay,
And what I'm seeing on social mediais a lot of people that are taking
to Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,whatever and basically claiming that Harrison Bucker is

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trying to limit what women should beable to do professionally. And that's not
the sense I got from him whatsoever. And that's not what you're saying.
Now. If you go into itand you say, I want to hear
the words that make a bucker soundlike he's suppressing women, you can hear
it, Dan, You'll hear itcorrect. And that's why I think he

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should have chosen better words. Butif you go in and say, are
his comments consistent with a mindset wherehe says, my wife is equal and
I give just as much to heras she gives to me, and my
greatest joy is being a father,and her greatest joy is being a mother.
If you attribute that mindset and sayis his comments consistent with that,

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I think you can find that aswell. Again, I think he made
a mistake. It was device,But I do think man, I tell
you, if you watch, ifyou watch the entire part, you come
away with this guy is really acommitted Catholic. And look the church,
the Catholic Church has been for centuriestrying to say, okay, are we

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keeping up with the time. Seventysix percent of Catholics think that abortions should
be illegal in some circumstances, butlegal in others. Right, like the
whole is the Catholic Church staying upwith society or is it just a neanderthal
institution? Like this is something thata controversy that predates anything. Harrison Bucker

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said, Well, I think Ithink two things. I think number one,
you're gonna have a hard time changingpeople's minds who have already formed an
opinion on this story. And thennumber two, I think where I mean,
that was great stuff, man,But I want to get your thoughts
on what this means for the chiefs? Put yourself in out life? What
does it mean going forward? Well? You know me, I'm always I

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never speak for my past teammates,uh, because you know, the University
of Washington or any team, becauseI said, look, individuals. Now,
I can speak to my sense ofthe collective thought. Okay. I
know you might say, well that'ssemantics. Isn't that saying the same thing
to me? It's an important distinction. Give us your take on what you

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because we're gonna have got him KansasCity next segment. I want to get
your thoughts on this. I well, I saw Chris Jones. The only
thing I saw I saw one reactionfrom a teammate, Chris Jones, was
says saying, I love you,brother, and I think he supported him.
I think that it has to dowith what kind of walk that but
Curry is if he's a respectful guythat his teammates know him to be.

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Look, this is a really afamily man who uplifts his wife and views
his wife on an equal plane,and is a committed to his faith and
committed to our team and as ahumble guy. I think that he can
withstand this, and I think thathe'll have support. I'm not saying in
all circles. I'm not saying,you know, fifty three guys or whatever,

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you know, sixty nine counting thepractice squad. I'm not gonna say
he's gonna have universal support. Certainly, there's gonna be wives and girlfriends behind
the scenes that are saying, man, that's messed up with your Your teammates
said, I know that, ButI think by and large, and let's
not forget let's look, it's apragmatic world. The dude's a good kicker,
and if you think that's not partof the equation, I think you're

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just being unrealistic. He's a damngood kicker. And if he's a damn
good dude who just people says,hey, look, that man is just
really committed to his Catholic faith.I think they can they can handle it
in that locker room. That's mysense of how it would go. Yeah.
Well, I had pretty much thesame reaction that you had to the
entire thing. People are losing theirminds over this. I don't think they

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really understand what he said at hisspeech, And if they did watch it
and still had that perspective, thenmaybe it's on him, Bucker, as
you said, for not maybe statingmore clearly where his intentions were and what
he meant by the words he chose. But we just live in this world
now, man, Where the ideathat we can have a conversation about something

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remotely controversial without killing each other overit. It just makes me sick.
And it's happens all the time,not just on social media but also in
real life. I mean, peoplehave picked sides on every single issue and
there's just no room at all forconversation. And I think this is another
example of that. Amen. Amen, I don't get where we got from

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from. I don't agree with youropinion. Let's discuss it. Maybe I
should shift, or I'm pretty surethat of a lifetime of me thinking about
my values, I know that I'mentrenched. I would like to engage you
further, or maybe I just wantto ignore you. I don't like your
opinion. But now it's come.Do I want your freaking job right?

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Right? For what? I don't? I don't. I don't see that
as event Now. Look, thereare some things you can say you deserve
to lose your job, of course, but I think that. I mean,
look, freedom of speeches. Iget it. It's it, it
lives, It limits the government's rightto limit your speech. I get it.
It's a it's a it's a governmentuh uh dictated amendment. But shouldn't

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First Amendment principles somewhat guide our ourour our thought at all? Shouldn't we
be shouldn't we at some point uhuh, like almost fight for the right of
the Morning Minority Opinion said another way, fight for the right for somebody to
offend us, because that's that's partof a free speech. Shouldn't those tenants

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be part of not just what thegovernment is allowed to do, but how
we just uh approach things When wewhen we discover things we don't agree with.
I mean, let's get a break. We're gonna get a reaction to
this from the Kansas City perspective andtalk some chiefs to find out if they
can go for something that nobody's everdone in the nfl Q. And that's
three in a row. Next onninety three three KJRFM Live from the R

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and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio.Now back to Saftie and Dick on your
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All right, joining us right nowon the radio show Safie and Dick
with Jackson Dick at Hu milling infor Dick Vane, one half of the

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famous afternoon show on eight to tenWHB and Kansas City hanging out with Saren
Petro every single day. God blessthis man. Our friend Curtis cbold is
with us from k C Curtis,how are you pel fantastic twenty five years
now. I've worked with Surrand,but I always object to I'm not the

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other half. It's his name's overthe door. I like to be.
I'm guy just off to the side. Ye on my niche being just off
to the left. Yeah, goodfor you. Something goes wrong, you
can blame him. It's a hellof an idea, a great approach.
But let's just first of all,because Curtis Hugh played, you know,
twelve thirteen years in the NFL,gave us a perspective on how he thinks
this may play in the NFL inlocker rooms, especially in Kansas City.

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But give us just kind of,first of all, an overall a overall,
excuse me, thirty five thousand feetview on how Kansas City, how
the media, the fans, howeveryone's responded to the Harrison Bucker situation.
Well, what happened. We reallydidn't talk about it on our show only
because it didn't feel at the timelike a sports story. I mean,

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he wasn't acting in any official capacity. He was there at Benedictine College because
he plays for the Chiefs, buthe wasn't there as a representative of the
Chiefs. And I didn't really havemuch to say that would be sports related.
And I try to separate my personalli opinions for my sports opinions when
I'm on the air, and thatseemed like something that I really couldn't be

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done there. So much of theresponse was on Twitter and so, and
I will tell you that most ofit was negative in that regard. I
did a poll. I kind ofasked people what they thought, and I
said, I don't want to knowany comments where what do you think of
what he said? And the fourchoices I used were strongly agree, somewhat

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agree, somewhat disagree, and stronglydisagree, And forty eight percent in a
four way race said strongly disagree.Eighteen more percent said somewhat disagree. So
the responses around here were primarily negative. I will say that my followers are
skewed a little towards the side thatwould dislike what he said, So remember

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those numbers are a little off.But most of the people around town who
heard it didn't like what he said, although a majority of them, even
those who didn't like it, thoughthe was okay to say what he said
because of the position he was inthat day. Was there any particular topic
that seemed to draw the most criticism. I mean, he had a lot

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of people in his sites, includingthe leadership of the Catholic Church. I
might add, yeah, was thereany one kind of SoundBite that was really
hitting people hard. The one thatoverarching, because it's more than half the
world's population, is the comments aboutwomen in it there that their highest value

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would be to be a mother anda housewife, and he talked about,
you know, you've been told themost I can't remember the term that he
used, the most pernicious lie orwhatever it was. I think that was
the one that I think lit mostpeople up. The idea that a woman
should hold no higher aspirations than tobe a wife and mother and housekeeper.

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That I think was easily the mostBut did he say responded to comment,
uh, yeah, yes, hesaid, he said that a lot of
you women out there are are areyou thinking about your promotions and your careers?
But I think even a lot ofyou, and I'm paraphrasing to some
to someone, he said, I'msure most of you out there are are

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really the most excited about the kindof wife and mother you're going to be
along that regard, and he openedhis comments by saying, I want to
speak particularly to you women because you'rethe ones who have been told told that
those the worst lie. But youjust told you just said no, and
that's that's I think the rest whythe response was that strong from the women.

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Yeah, no, And I hateto you know, I just I
think there's an important point. Ithink there's a difference between him him saying
I suspect some of you are mostexcited about your marriage, uh and and
the children you will bring into theworld. There's a difference between saying that
and that's what you should be mostexcited about. Is there not a difference
there? That's that's that's an importantthing. Sure, I think so.

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But but he didn't say that hiswife. He brought up the situation was
his wife that his wife said sherealized her true calling or true calling became
when she became a wife and mother. That was at least the very least
taken by women as saying that thatthey they should aspire to. The greatest
thing you can aspire to as awoman is to be a wife and a

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mother. Well, I think Ithink we're seeing in just this little conversation,
this is a small little snapshot,Curtis of the issues when you go
down this road and you rely onsociety to understand everything that came out of
your mouth, there's going to bea game of telephone that goes on,
and sometimes people won't get the realmessage because they're going to be so worked
up about it, So go ahead. No, there's a twenty minute video

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of the entire speech. It's onYouTube, and and and I will say
that I think maybe that reaction,even if it was a little too amped
up. I watched the entire videoand what I came away from it was
with was the idea that that's essentiallywhat he was saying, and if some
people took him further than the rootstory was. What about the reaction from

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the Chiefs courtesy board again a tenWHB Kansas City. I haven't heard anything
from them, from the ownership group, from the front office, from Andy
Reid. How do you think theteam responds to this, if they respond
at all. I don't know thatthey're going to respond to it. And
the Chiefs have the OTAs this week, and Andy Reid and we'll we'll speak

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on Wednesday. He may be askedabout it. Guarantee he'll be asked.
Don't you think he'll be asked?Yeah, but I don't. I don't
think he'll say much about it becauseit was an off the away from the
team. It wasn't again, wasn'tdone with in an official capacity. The
The only comment that I've seen that'seven adjacent to the team was that Gracie

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Hunt, the daughter of Chiefs ownerClark Hunt, was on Fox and Friends
last week and since she respects himin his Christian faith for what he's accomplished.
But that's the closest. That's theonly comment I've learned from anyone even
remotely involved with the Chiefs. Idon't think they're gonna say anything about it
unless they're asked about it, andI don't know that they I almost say
I don't know that they should.They're going to be asked. If they

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don't want to talk about it,I guess it's their place to not talk
about it, but the question willbe asked. But I just don't think
it's going to have any kind ofimpact within the team because for two reasons.
One, it's pretty hard to upsetthat locker room. I mean,
they've had their share of events thatwould do so, and they just won
their second straight Super Bowl, sothat's an awfully difficult locker room to overturn.

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Also, I don't think anyone inthat locker room was surprised by what
he said. They may have beensurprised that he said it where he said
it, but his opinions on thoseissues quite clearly on his sleeve and has
no issue with whatever backlash comes fromthem. So I don't see any impact
at all in that locker room.Well, so you see just going forward.

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I mean, look, the guy'sa damn good kicker. That that's
got to be at least a partof the discussion, right And is he
you just said that you don't thinkthat that his teammates are going to have
a big issue with it? Soyou you think this is just much ado
about nothing in terms of how it'sgoing to be played with the team.

(26:33):
Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I would say that's that's probably pretty
close to the way I would describeit. I just don't think I don't
think anyone. He's been around longenough, but he's, as I said,
not not shy about his opinions.He's he's been on television commercials for
for issues along those same lines.There's nobody in that locker room that doesn't
know exactly what Harrison Bucker thinks aboutthese these issues. I don't think anyone

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was surprised at all if they acceptedbeing before said those hoards are gonna accept
you afterwards. And the combination ofthat and the fact that we think of
the things this lot that this Chiefsteam is kind of dealt with off the
field the last four or five years, and they just seem to show no
signs of cracking in that regard.So I think it will be a storyline.

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It will be one of those thingsthat people kind of pointing back to
that I think it will have zeroimpact on whether this team can repeat.
Yeah, hey, Curtis Sebold againeight ten WHB. I appreciate this.
Your photo is starting to break upa little bit. But just hey,
real quick, you mentioned it.Nobody in the NFL has ever won three
in a row. Give us areason why and why not. The Chiefs

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will be the first to maybe makethat happen. That is interesting. I
think it's tough to win two ina row is the toughest part. But
if the teams that have tried towin three in a row, it takes
so many things going right for yourteam that it's really difficult to see those
things happening three consecutive years. Someof the teams haven't really had a chance.

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That brought me to John awily retiredon one of those years, and
I look back and tried to finda theme between the teams that didn't three
peat, and there really isn't oneconsistent thread. I think the toughest part
is that it's really tough to wina championship in any any year, so
that that's where you begin. Butthey have the best pieces in place.
They have the best player on theplanet, it's the most important position,

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still in the prime of his career. They have a quarterback who has almost
a mind meld with an offensive coordinatorwho seems to have no end to the
things he can draw up that offense. The defense is coming around. They
seem to manage to keep all theirall their assistant coaches. Uh, schedule
could be kind of dicey, butuh, I think there is there right

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now playing as well as any teamhas who has had an opportunity at a
three peat. But uh, it'sit's gonna be It's gonna be tough.
They got to overcome a lot ofthings every year, and this year's no
exception, no doubt. Curt ofSeaball at eight ten, whbaby, appreciate
the visit, best of luck,and we'll talk down the road man.
Appreciate this pal. Thanks guys.I think you're to Seabull from Kansas City.

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We're gonna break, We're gonna headto Denver by the way, coming
up to as Well here at fivethirty. But you want to put a
final ball on that Bucker conversation,go ahead. Well, I would just
say, you know one thing Buckersaid right after his timing out the win.
He says he talks about his wife. He says, she is the
one that ensures I never let footballor my business become a distraction from that
of a husband and father. Sheis the person that knows me best.

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And through our marriage, Lord Willing, we were both attain salvation. So
I think there's a lot of menthat would say my highest calling is being
a father, sure, and beinga husband. And I think that,
But what Buck, You know,if you parse what he says, he's
not He's not saying your highest calling, women, that's gonna be your highest

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calling. I think what he's sayingis that if if that's what you do,
any women, they will view thatas their highest call. That that,
uh, they will embrace one ofthe most important titles of all homemaker,
And and that if they make thatdecision. That's the key thing.
If a woman wants to be aprofessional, go out to the president of

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the United States, that's her.Of course, that's this doesn't even have
to be said. But if shewants to be a homemaker, what he
was saying is that that has honortoo, and is say, my greatest
honor is being a husband and afather and many here's the ways to the

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problem, Tom Brady's what do youexpect the entire country to understand that?
Because if I'm Harrison Butker and I'mconcerned about the reaction to my speech at
Benedictine College, I'm not making thespeech. I don't think he gives a
damn about the reaction because nobody,there's nobody in this business, in sports
and media who could possibly think that'ssaying something like that would be reacted to

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the way that you felt it shouldbe reacted to. We get a guy
on from here in the city whowho states a material untruth about what Buck
Kerson's to bring it though, that'sthe way he's perceiving it. That's the
way he's perceiving it. A lotof people are perceiving it that way,
whether right or wrong that that's theway it's being perceived. I agree again,

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if he was concerned about the reaction, he wouldn't have done it.
We're gonna break four forty one,We'll get some text. We're gonna head
to Denver at five point thirty.What is Ryan Grub? I want to
ask you five o'clock. What isRyan Grub gonna do for Geno Smith that
Shane Waldron and other coordinators could notdo at five o'clock tonight right here on
ninety three three KJRFM.