Softy & Dick 5-20 Hour 3: Grubb with Smith and D-Mac from Denver

In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen discuss how Geno Smith will be a better quarterback for the Seahawks with Ryan Grubb taking over the offense plus chat with Darren “D-Mac” McKee from Denver sports radio about the Nuggets loss Sunday.

Episode Transcript

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I'll be honest with you, Iget kind of selfish when you're on the
radio show because I want to findout things that I want answers to,
never mind the public, never mindthe audience. And I've been curious for
weeks now what Ryan Grubb can dofor Gino Smith that Shane Waldron and others
maybe we're not able to do.So tell me about the marriage between Gino
and Grub and what you like aboutRyan's approach that may be able to kind

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of maybe open up even more possibilitiesfor Gino Smith. Well, here's what
I'm curious about in that regard Ginoabout Geno. First of all, if
you look at Penix last year passeswhere the ball went twenty five yards or
more from the Lias scrimmage, Penixled the nation. That's like one hundred
and thirty something qualifying quarterbacks led thenation was seventy seven attempts, right over

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twenty of the guys that were draftedin the first round. The next closest
member now Penick seventy seven. DrakeMay had fifty seven. And by the
way, way, Penis is passerrating, which is different the college one.
You know that day, but hiscollege passer rating was two fifty four
on pass attempts twenty five yards andmore so against seventy seven attempts. Then

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Drake May had fifty seven, JaydenDaniels had forty one, Caleb Williams had
forty nine forty eight. Now,so this guy in Grubby, he wants
to push the ball down the fieldGino. Where while Penis had seventy seven
attempts twenty five yards of more,Gino had twenty eight in one more game

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than Pennix. That's a big difference. How does that rank in the NFL?
While Penix was number one in collegefootball, Gino's twenty eight attempts,
pardon me, was number twenty andso and then so that's the downfield piece
that has to be at. Justhow much is Ryan Grubb going to push

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the ball down the field? Andand I keep going back to Troy Aikman,
uh when he would do those gameswith DK with the Seahawks, and
he can talk about DK metcalffs hegoes, I don't understand why the Seahawks
don't throw to Metcalf deep down thefield once a quarter. And so now
if if Grub, who we've alreadyseen. Is what a guy that wants

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to push down the ball down thefield who had a guy primarily in Roma
Dunza that mirrored some of the attributesthat you see at DK, albeit at
different levels. And so now isGrub going to be a guy that's that
is going to take Akman's advice?Like are we going to see down the

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field presence from the Seahawks that wedidn't see? Well, I know you're
not being literal when you say RyanGrubb taking Akman's advice, because you're insinuating
that nine of course heard Troy Aikmanand saying, huh, Troy is right,
I should throw the ball more toDK Metcalf. Ryan Grubb will throw
the ball more to DK Metcalf becausethat approaches and Ryan Grubb's DNA. That's

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what he does. And if youwanted to be underscored, then thank you
for the clare just making sure thatyou know your literal. Maybe a doctor
Ryan, he told you, Hey, I wasn't planning on getting the ball
to DK, and then I heardyou reference, but that that's what Ryan
Grubb does. So from from froma from a d you are as big
a fan of getting the ball toDK metcalf as anybody in this city,

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you of all people, should bemore thrilled about the arrival of Ryan Grubb
than anybody. Well, you knowwhat I was saying before he got hired.
You said, is he ready?And it's not one hundred percent ready.
He's a thousand percent ready. Imean just look at you know,
for a lot of reasons that wesaid, just in terms of, you
know, knowing on the inside,how he relates with the players, how

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hard he studies, how he howwell he he prepares the quarterbacks for everything,
how he sees uh defenses, howhe set things up. I'm so
ask you a question. Let mejump in for a second, because everything
you're talking about with Ryan Grubb isa positive, right, what would be
I guess I'm just trying to imaginekind of in my head. Here you
the challenges for a first time offensivecoordinator. And keep in mind, Ryan

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Grubb is forty nine, He's nottwenty five, so much different story exactly.
He's also dealing with a younger ishoffense. I mean, Gino's a
veteran, DK and Lockett have beenaround, but he's also got Kenny Walker
in year three, Charbonay year two. Abe Lucas and Charles Cross are still
very young. Jackson Smith and Jigbais in your number two. This is

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not exactly an offense that's full ofnine ten year guys. Okay, So
I think the combination of Ryan beingalmost fifty and the idea that you have
a bunch of guys on this offensethat are still kind of finding their ways
in the NFL, I don't thinkcommunicating with them and getting them to respect
him is going to be a problem. Is that fair? No? No,

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Yeah, he's got the maturity.And look, if Ryan Grubb was
a stock and I was your brokerand I had to try and tell you
to pump the brakes, I wouldbring a couple things up. I didn't
like the Arizona State game how theyhandled inside pressure, both from a blitzing
perspective and how the defensive line wasscraping and sparking, lining up in one

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gap and then shifting laterally to anothergap. I didn't think the Huskies handled
that well against Washington State. Ithought they were being dictated a little bit
by Washington State's fronts that were dictatinghow they have an aggressive front, particularly
like against empty, they'd overload withthe Cougars the offensive line, and then

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that would force the Huskies to changetheir formation, change their protection. So
I thought that there was a coupleof times where he was a little bit
on his heels talking about grub andthen the other t is that okay,
Honestry, But I mean over overa fifteen game season, yes, for
you to come to me and say, hey, there were couple of times
where Ryan Grubb was on his heels, is that okay? Absolutely? Yeah,

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everybody at some point is going tohave again, you know, unless
you want to, you know,break the Dolphins record, right, you
know, and you go you wantto be nineteen and oh, or well
it'd be twenty and oh. Nowright, if you want to go twenty
and oh, then it's not okay. But if we're talking about realistically,
yeah, there's gonna be some timeswhere they're kind of getting you for a
while. Sure, but that wasfew and farmer time. I mean,

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just look at the numbers, right, and which games are you talking about
where he kind of maybe was ata loss for an answer. Where were
the guys at Arizona State in WashingtonState? And they won both those games?
Yeah? Yeah, but with thehelp of the defense, and they
made plays. You know, theymade some plays, but those would be
if you again, if I,if I was tasked with trying to talk

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you out of Ryan Grub's stock,That's where I would start my conversation.
I would also say that he hadthe Joe Moore winning offensive line and all
those deep down the field passes wereavailable because of the great offensive line.
Now I do want to I mentionedthe down the field. Let me quickly

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say one other, the second oftwo ideas. Michael Pennox outside the numbers
last year. Not only did helead the NCAA again over one hundred and
thirty qualified in quarterbacks, not onlywas he number one in yards outside the
numbers, he was like five hundredand forty something yards beyond the second place

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guy. The gap between one andtwo we always like doing this, the
gap between one and two and againoutside passing yards outside the numbers. The
gap between one and two penix wasgreater than the gap between two and twenty
eight. So what's the picture.The picture is twofold Grian Grubb is Pearl
Harbor, bombs away down the fieldand he's outside the numbers. Okay,

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how does that fit with Gino?Gino outside the numbers. Now, it
should be noted that the numbers incollege, the bottom of the numbers are
seven yards from the sideline. Thebottom of the numbers in the NFL is
twelve yards. But as I giveyou the ranking, I'm taking that into
consideration, and I'm comparing Gino,not again against Pennix, just the rankings
against other NFL quarterbacks. So I'mtaking into account that they that numbers are

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in a different spot. Gino outsidethe numbers was in his passer rating was
twenty fourth, and of his nineinterceptions, I've watched the interception reel and
trying to find, okay, isthere something there. Of his nine interceptions,
seven were outside the numbers, andthree of those seven were what I

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would say. I try and categorizeinterceptions like they say, no, two
snowflakes are the same. That wasa study done in nineteen thirty one.
No, two snowflakes are the same. But you can play categorize snowflakes,
right, you know the Eskimos havetwenty seven. You know you got slush,
you got powder, you got right, So we can categorize inner options

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and we can say Okay. Icall him top down outside interceptions where you're
reading the corner and you don't makea good either throw it inside on an
outbreaking route or you didn't read thatthe corner was in a position to drive
top down on the play. Andof his set of of his nine interceptions,

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the statistics statistisians call it the mode. The one that had the most
was that top down outside. Okay, which is what? Which is what
Grub one of the things that Grublikes to do. So so am I
painting the picture here? So gyou are? But yeah, but but
but all those numbers, I'm notI'm not saying that you're saying that Geno

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will do that because right, RyanGrub was able to do that with Pedix
because he had Petix. So doesGeno Smith have the ability? You gave
us the rankings before Ryan showed uplast year. How much do you think
they can improve in those categories withthe town that Geno Smith has that Ryan
Grubb is working with. I don'twant to say it's unlimited, but I'm

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very bullish on Ryan Grubb. Ithink that, uh, he's got a
great receiving corps, arguably as goodas any threesome in the league. You
could, you know, Cincinnati,you know, probably give you an argument
in that regard. But but thethree, you know, with Jackson and
I still think, uh, youknow, Tyler's got a plenty of of
tread on his tire, and ofcourse DK's in the prime of his career.

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I think all of that is rightthere. And I think Gino is
a talented quarterback. So so it'sone of two things. Either Ryan Grubb
is going to continue to try andpush the ball down the field and to
the outside of the numbers at arate that he did at Washington with Pennix,
or Ryan Grubb is going to changehis modality, if you will,

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from what he did at Washington,Like right, I mean good, yeah,
nice good. I do wonder thoughhe how much authority Mike McDonald gives
him with the offense. That's anotherpart of it. Absolutely David for sure,
because he's a defensive coach. Andand actually, if you look at
if you try and say, okay, what are variables that lead to young

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quarterbacks success? Now Gino isn't younganymore, but but but the variables,
it's generally the quarterbacks play better withoffensive head coaches Now that's not always true,
but there's definitely it's more than acoin toss in terms of correlation and

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and so. Yeah, And oneof the theories would be, how has
practice structured? How is Mike McDonald'ssitting there saying, hey, let's milk
clock when the offensive coordinator would wantto say, hey, we got these
guys tired, let's let's go,let's go hurry up. You know what
would would he be more aggressive?Would you know? One thing we know

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is Kaylin de Borr gave the greenlight for Ryan Grubb to be very aggressive.
I just gave you the numbers,right right, And so is Mike
McDonald on any level going to tryand neuter the approach because he's a defensive
coach. One of the reasons whythe board gave Ryan Grubb the green light
is because he had the best offensiveline in college football and maybe the greatest

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receiving core in the history of theschool. Yeah, but Ryan Grubb's not
dealing with that type of offensive talentcomparatively speaking in the NFL. But I
think he's got talent. I mean, I mean Sharbonne and Walker and Jackson
Smith and Jigba and Lockett and dkmetcalf. That's just good a five some
of skilled players as there is inthe He's got a better running back,

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I think, question, no question, he's got a better pro running back
than he had a college running back. Right, but does he have the
offensive line? Does he have theline to do what he wants to do
right now? And here's another thing, what you could have Mike McDonald could
say, hey, yeah, you'llgo do your thing. And now Gino
throws a up interceptions down the field, and his defense is put in bad

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field position, and now all ofa sudden, his defensive numbers aren't.
You know, he doesn't like what'shappening to his defense. And now you
know, it's the end of September. Hell, it could be Halloween,
it could be you know, hejust says, hey, hey, dial
back on some of those you knowright right? You know, now all
of a sudden, they're not pushingthe ball down the field. So and
one of the reason is because thereis there are games the Huskies played last

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year where there was a huge gapand talent from one side of the other.
Right, we know that that's notgonna be the case in the NFL.
Every game in the NFL, forthe most part, is a toss
up in the National Football League.So I'm just curious to see how much
of how much authority he's got,how much of a risk mentality he's got,
how aggressive he is. I thinkall these things are great questions.

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And look if that offensive line,man, I mean, I like what
they've done with this offensive line.It's taken three years to get here.
With this offensive line. They draftedAcross and Lucas you know, two years
ago, and now they're both inyear three, for God's sakes, and
old Boot presumably your starting center.Lake and Tomlinson at at one guard spot,
Christian Haynes at the other. Thisoffensive line finally looks like it might

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be okay. Yeah, yes,I think it's like I'm real bullish on
on on the on Christian, youknow, for obvious reasons. I told
you my son is his roommate andteammate for two years. So I'm a
big Christian Haynes fan. I thinkthere's enough competition everywhere else. You go
back to my comments after Olo Timmywas drafted that Monday, I said,

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this guy's my favorite guy in thedraft, So I think that he's ready
to step in. Remember now,the Outland Trophy winner not just the Remington
for the best center, The OutlandTrophy won the best interior offensive lineman,
offense or defense. Like that's howgood he was at Michigan. Right,
So yeah, I think there's reasonto be optimistic. I do think one
point to make. As a generalrule, you say, well, if

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you're gonna throw the ball down thefield, you got to have more time
for your quarterback. That is mostlytrue, but here's there's an odd paradox
in that, and it's this.If you want to okay, you take
the quick game. You're gonna throwslants or quick outs or quick hitches.
You just grab. If it's shotgun, rocker step, grab and throw.
If you're under center, you gothree step drop. Okay. If you
want to throw deep down the field, okay, now I'm going short to

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way deep, like the go routeup the sideline that from under center is
just five steps hitch and throw it, or from shotgun three step hitch and
throw it, and you're throwing itforty five yards down the field. It's
so actually throwing the deep bombs theballs out of your hand quicker than the
intermediate. The fifteen eighteen yard digroutes, comebacks, deep curls, the

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over routes, the deep crossing routes, those intermediates that are generally caught between
fourteen and eighteen yards from the lineof scrimmage. Those take the most amount
of time where you would think,well, so it's not linear that okay,
the further down the field, themore time. No, it's not
linear. It's as I just described. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

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I mean to me, it's oneof the most intriguing stories of the
year, is what that offense lookslike with Ryan Grubb pushing the buttons.
Can't wait. All right, We'regonna break you. We're gonna head the
Denver next segment, are we seeingthe rio? Michael Malone, the head
coach of the Nuggets, comes acrossas a major captain a hole? Is
that really the case or we maybe just making too much of what we
see on social media. Darren McKeeAltitude Sports will join us next on ninety

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three three KJRFM live from the Rand R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now
back to Sofie and Dick on yourHome for the Huskies and the Kraken Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJR FM. How hard is it just to absorb
a loss like this after going aheadby twenty Next question, Man, the

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season's over. That's what's hard beingup money. The season's over. You
don't understand that the season's over.It's hard. Stupid ask questions. You
know what I would have said whenwhen Michael Malone said you don't understand the
season's over? I would have said, God, really, I thought it
was Game five. Wow, theseason's over. I had no idea.

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Hey, let's go to Denver joiningus right now on the radio show.
Uh. We texted our old buddy, Kevin Shockey, who's now the program
director of Altitude Sports in Denver,and said, give us your best guy,
your best nugget guy, to jumpon the air and talk basketball with
us. And he said, well, my top three guys are on vacation,
So how about Darren McKee joining usright now? The noon to three

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co host in Denver, d macDarren McKee, how are you, Pelle?
You know that's the type of jokethat has made you a legend in
the Sacific Northwest for all these years. You know what I'm doing? Good?
I was, I was there whenthat, when that all that interaction
happened. If you want to knowthe behind the scenes story behind the I
do. I do, because here'sthe thing. We we only see what

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social media and TNT and ESPN showus. I don't see this guy behind
the scenes. I have no ideawhat kind of guy Michael Malone is when
the cameras aren't running. So youtell us, because there's a perception,
Darren, that Michael Malone is amajor pain in the ass. Is that
perception fair? Uh? He's thebest coaching Nugget's history. He won a

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championship. That's fair too. Whatyou don't know, and it's hard to
pick up on you might not haverealized, is that the locker room for
the Wolves is actually right next sharesa wall with the media room in Ballerina
and Denver. Wow, and guys, I'm not talking a little loud.
It was like New Year's Eve party, loud party. So Malone comes in

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and he was relatively quick talking tohis troops before he came into the pack
media room. I'm telling you,guys, it was loud. And so
he's sitting there while this party's goingon next door and run off the You
realize, ah, man, that'snot great. In fact, I wouldn't
have blamed him, and he said, you know what, guys, I'll

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be back in a few minutes.It was that loud. Okay. So
Bennett Derondo from the Denver Post,who's the beat writer, meaning he's there
all the time, actually asked aseries of three questions, and the interaction
that's being picked up by everyone wasactually the third of the three questions.
That's why Malone says questions. Butin all fairness to Bennett, somebody had

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a fall on the sword about blowinga twenty point lead. It never happened
in a Game seven where a teamwas up by more than eleven, nevermind
twenty, and had lost to gameseven. So listen, man, it's
it's I think Bennetts did a finejob asked the question. I think Malone
was just emotional as you should be. And frankly, Malone mellowed out the

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rest of the you know, thenine minute press conference, you know,
and gave different answers. That wasjust really upfront. You can hear the
wolf so celebrating it's just allway waslike a bunch. So for Malone to
get cassicated as some sort of jerkor you know, something like that is
frankly unfair. Would he take itback and do it differently next time?

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Probably, But to think that he'slike a bad dude because of that moment,
I think is ridiculous. Well,I'll give you my take. First
of all, that's what happens inlosing locker rooms. The other team is
celebrating you, hear him, Itsucks as part of your professionalism to deal
with the media. I mean it'strue for the players, it's more true
for the coach to be able tohandle himself with some dignity in some class,

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I thought he sounded like a completejerk. Now you mentioned that was
the third of three questions, asif, as if that shades contacts and
if it is, I'm all ears, I'd love to hear how how that
can be excused. So, inmy opinion, that was just a bad
look for mc michael in all respects, and he's got to be better.

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And I thought it was an eminentlyfair question at the at an eminently fair
time. So I'm I'm completely whatevercastigating. I'm putting me in that crowd.
So now respond to my opinion,Well, I mean, if you're
fair to have your own opinion.But if Bennett, who asked the question
wasn't offended, I'm not sure whyyou would be. But okay, I
mean because I'm not. I justthink he sounds like a complete jerk.

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I was. You're again, You'reentitled to your opinion on it. I
think it wasn't a great moment,and like I said, I think he
would not do it again, soI share similar sense in it. But
I'll just tell you flat out,the reporter that asked the question wasn't bothered
by it whatsoever, nor were anyof us that sort of have been around

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this team day in day out.I think the moment of man, listen,
it's brutal, these like we're gonnago talk to the media after having
your heartbroken moment. Yeah. Sure, it can draw a know, a
storyline, and you got to askthe question. You got to ask it.
But I'm going to give seriously,any coach or athlete grace in the

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moment if he were to do thisnext week or when you have some time
to think about it, or franklyfive minutes later, which he didn't do.
I mean that was the first oflike a nine minute press conference where
he was fine. I mean,I don't know why you would go and
bother listen to the rest of it. But for all of us that were
there, it was like, firstof all, when he mumbled what he

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said about, you know, stupidask questions, I'm sitting in the fourth
row, guys, fourth row,and I didn't hear him say it.
I didn't realize he even said ituntil you know, I'm recording it whatever,
until I went back and oh,I was like, oh wow,
I did not even realize it.That's how Lowe was said. So I
don't think it was a defining moment. I don't if you think it was.

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You know, whatever, you say, fine, I mean, you're
well entitled to your opinion, butit really isn't that big of a deal.
I don't think. I Well,Darren, let me just add this,
and Darren McKee demac with us fromAltitude Sports is with us on the
radio station. I could see ifwe were looking at what happened last night
in a vacuum, saying, hey, give the guy a break. They're

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emotional, the te Wolves are celebrating. They blew a twenty point lead.
Obviously he's pissed. He might behumiliated, embarrassed, the whole thing.
But isn't this just another thing toput on the list of reasons why the
perception about Michael Malone is what itis, the whole Michael Mike thing,
going out on the court in theLakers series, getting into it with a

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fan in the t Wolve series,behind the bench. This is not the
first time that Michael Malone has donesomething that's turned people off. That's number
one. And number two, justto back up your perspective what you said,
Hey, he's the best coach inthe NBA. So what I agree
with that because we had a guyin Seattle that you had in Denver named
George Carl who when he was withus, he was a major pain in

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the ass, but he was aphenomenal coach. So if you're telling me
you can get this guy who's gonnarub people the wrong way, but he's
gonna win. Like Matt, Iwould say, sign me up. Where
do I sign? So address thefirst part of that go ahead, Well,
first of all, George is agood buddy of mine. I love
it Georg, Now me too.I George boy. If you've been following

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the George Carl Carmelo, Anthony jR. Smith Twitter pies. That is
high level entertainment, by the way. But that being said, Uh,
I don't know, man. Likewe we did talk about this on my
the radio show that I'm on,like, hey man, do you wanna
you know, uh, you know, have your feathers popping like a peacock.

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And and listen, the Nuggets atthe moment, didn't they after they
want a championship. I you know, I get it. I thought we
enjoyed it here in Denver. Butyou already have kind of a media sort
of fan base that really didn't wantthe Nuggets to I mean, Nick,
it's losing. Kendrick Perkins, doyou think he wants the Nuggets to win?
Steven A. Smith? You thinkhe's root for it? Do you

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have to understand from a you know, sort of a moment of last year
for people here in Denver, wefelt that people weren't pulling for the Nuggets
or Yokic. We got it,you know. So when when the Nuggets
won, there was a lot ofup yours to everybody else. I get
it. So I guess you know, what comes around goes around. I

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suppose, you know, and Iunderstand that as well. And if you
have that perception as like, ah, look at you know, there you
go, Denver up yours take that. I mean I get where that's coming
from too. Just understand how muchwas going against the Nuggets in the other
direction before they won last year.I just keep that in mind. Well,

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and you left out Shack. I'msure Shack is giggling and the whole
controversy comments. Obviously, Shannon Sharpis somewhat of a of a you know,
a native Denver, right, Isuppose what what what's the fallout from
that exchange and what were what wereyour listeners? What was the general tenor

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in in Denver about Shaq versus ShannonSharp? Well, Shannon's in the trubt.
Well, we love Shannon Sharp becausehe's a Hall of Fame tight end
for the Broncos. But he's aLakers fan, and uh, you know,
the Nuggets as of recently own theLakers. I mean, there's just
no doubt about that. So it'swe love Shannon though. That's that's fine.

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Shaq Shaq. I don't know whatShaq was trying to do, Like
he was like like a bully onthe playground, Like who what were you
trying to prove to anybody here youare announcing the m v P and you
got to crap all over Yokish tohis face. Why, I mean,
nobody was asking you to do it. You're definitely entitled to your opinion.
But you want to talk about aclassless move, you're gonna have Yoka shan

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to celebrate. Hey, I'm sorry, Shaq, you only got one MVP
overall, although you got finals MVPs. But the fact that Shaquille O'Neill joins
Moses Malone, Bill Russell, willChamberlain on this and somebody else. But
see like the best of the bigmen for MVPs, and that's a category
you're not in. Shaq. Nowlisten, Shaq's got more rings, ain't

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no doubt about it. But whywould you bring somebody on as a guest
to your show and take a crapon them the second they get on?
I mean, why don't you justask how does it feel? What does
it mean for your family? Whatdoes it mean for your country? You
know, I get it. They'repretty standard type of questions, but it's
a layups, guys. I mean, you don't blow that one. And
in terms of telling everybody what youreally think about SGA. Dude, you

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don't have more time on your showto do that. At some other point,
aside from the moment when you haveYoki Shan who he didn't he didn't
ask for your opinion. He barelywants the attention. Guys, Seriously,
that is not a joke, Thatis not phony. That is not how
that guy rolled. He has totwin his arm to come on down there
to get it. Anyways, andyour first question is I like SCA and

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you're down to nothing. What doyou think? I mean, give me
a break. I mean it wasjust a bad broadcasting moment, never mind
a human moment. Yeah, Ithink it would have been better if it
was a week later, kind ofin jest. Hey, I voted for
the other guy whatever, but thetiming was weird. I totally agree with
that. And you're right about Joker. He comes across as a great dude,
first class guy, no doubt aboutit. But let me ask you

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this man before you go, DarrenMcKee Deemack, you guys had dreams,
as I would have, of repeatingas NBA champions. Number one reason why
the Nuggets did not do that iswhat they couldn't hit open jump shots.
And that fall sadly because I likehim on Michael Porter Junior, who's got
this crazy shooting ability, but youcan't go three for twelve, one for

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six from three when they need,you know, they need more out of
you. He's not a great defensiveplayer, although he had seven rebounds and
he's working on it. But yougotta see this guy shoot just in general,
and you just you gotta hit openjump shots. And the guy that's
got to hit open jump shots isa mass level contract player, which he
is. It's guys, I'm notlying. It's it's really sadly as simple

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as that. Defensively, you keptthe Wolves in ninety eight points. I
mean, come on, man,I mean you're you're in Denver, which
was practically impossible for road teams towin in this year. You gotta hit
open shots. I wish it wasmore complicated than that, but it's not.
You missed open shots, you lose. Darren McKee, de Mack,
you're the best. I appreciate this. Tell Shocky, we appreciate the tip.

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You live up to everything he said. He said you were gonna be
great on the air, and youwere phenomenal, so great stuff and we'll
talk down the road, buddy.All right, you got a week one
baby, Broncos Seahawks lip. Don'tkidding? Oh god, we both got
rid of Russ. How great isthat? Hey? By the way,
give us just thirty seconds on thaton just the carnage left behind from Russell

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Wilson. Why didn't you warn us? We did? Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me? We didwarn you. We went on every
one of your shows that we toldyou about this guy, and none of
you people wanted to listen to us. We all told why didn't listen?
Unreal? All right, dude,hey, we'll talk souon man. Appreciate
it, pal, you bet that'sright, Darren McKee d mack from Altitude

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Sports. And by the way,what I mean we told them, We
did tell them everything we knew aboutRussell. We told them on Denver Talk
Radio, and all of them,to a man said, oh, they're
just jilted. They're just pissed offthat Russell Wilson's no longer there and they
can't even think clearly anymore. Andnow they're all saying the same things that
we did. We're gonna break,come back more with you. So there
is a list, Hugh that wascirculating around golf and still is of the

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best players to never win a majorchampionship. Up until Sunday afternoons, Ander
Cheffle was on that list and nowhe's off the list with a PGA Championship
victory. Incredible drama with Bryson d. Chambeau waiting at twenty under to see
what he did on eighteen. Yougot that angle from Valhalla, you got,
by the way, somebody dying beforethe tournament on Friday, Scotty Scheffler

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getting arrested, unbelievable soft dreens thatled to unreal scores over the weekend.
What'd you make of what you sawfrom Louisville? Man, oh man,
I can't believe we have such ashort segment. Well, first of all,
yeah, hats off to Shoffley.I think you know he had the
bogeie on the par five ten,which is you know, he tried to
hit it out of the bunker,the fairway bunker, and that led to

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you know, that was a baddecision. But he comes back on eleven
and twelve with great drives and evenbetter approach shots, which allows him to
burdy both those wholes. So Ithought that's where he really showed his metal.
In addition to eighteen. We'll talkabout a second, but I think
it's worth noting on seventeen dis Chambeau, he out drives Holand by fifty eight

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yards like he's sitting there with thatgap wedg and he he hit it.
He threw it at the pin,but he was what like fifteen yards,
like like forty feet short, likeno real chance for birdie when when I
mean, it's not it's not thelast hole, it's not the seventy second
hole, but it's the seventy firsthole. And you couldn't be in a

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better garden spot right in the middleof the fairway after killing his drive,
which we know he can, andso I thought him just getting par on
that was probably what's going to havehim staring at the ceiling. But then
you gotta just let final thought.You know that, yeah, I was
a part a birdiable par five,But to do it standing in a bunk,
a fairway bunk, or choking upon a four iron and then still

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finding way to make a bergie abirdie? And Dave, do you know
the distance at which PGA professionals makehalf their putts. Ah, I believe
it is it six feet? Yes, it's it's six feet And he had
a six foot two in putt,so he basically, you know, with
all I think, all the pressure, I mean, it didn't seem like

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there was a lot of break.I think he'd probably say, as as
six foot putts go to win yourfirst major, it was probably a U
you know, relatively easy. Butgod, that's not easy. So you
know, by the way, theonly reason why I knew that stat is
because the pro that we played withon Sunday and our pro am yesterday told
us that at dinner on Saturday night, there you go, gave us that

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number. Yeah. So