December 9, 2024 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Hugh Millen about the Seahawks win, Ryan Grubb and Zach Charbonnet, then discuss Juan Soto’s massive new contract with New York, how it relates to the M’s, plus UW and the transfer portal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know if it's just the people asking the
wrong questions or you just saving us best stuff for us.
I got no idea, So I think the idea of
getting a little more at four with you is a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And he joins us right now on the air, how
are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Always good to be with you?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Man?
Speaker 5 (00:15):
I got pages of notes in front of me. It
seems like I never get through them. But yeah, no,
it's fun times for us fan.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I guarantee you there will never be a day where
you stay to yourself. You know what, all of my notes,
all of my research, I got to all of it. Indeed,
that will never ever ever happen. Well, words never spoken.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Was that a good day for Ryan Gribb yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Would you make of the offense, the game plan, and
the approach, the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I thought it was a good day for sure.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I mean, I like the recognition of the in my mind,
the unsound nature of their defense. First of all, in
studying that game tape, the all twenty two, the end
zone copy, there's not one guy in that front seven
that I think is an impressive player on at least
not suited up for the Cardinals. Yesterday. And now Buddha
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Baker is elite. He is crazy good. But they were,
you know, they were playing a double reduction front, meaning
that there was three defenders kind of in the guards center.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Area and uh, and then they.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Had a lot of bodies out on the perimeter to
stop the wide receiver screen game in the RPO, meaning
the line is blocking the run game. The receivers are
running little routes to have a screen game, and then
the quarterback decides post snap whether he's going to hand
it to the running back on the running play or
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whether he's going to throw it out on the perimeter. Well,
they they were over stock the cardinal defense in my opinion,
to stop the perimeter game in the screens and and
so they were lighting the box to run it. You
had down blocks by guys like Charles Cross with those
counters where he could pull the backside lineman and get
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kickout blocks. And there was relatively few defenders because of
how they were spaced, and so that sea gap, that
gap outside the tackle was wide open and they were
able to hit it a lot, and including the fifty
one yarder for the touchdown and many others. So getting
to that gap scheme I'm pulling the backside guard and
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often tackle. That was a good scheme and good recognition
by him, in addition to some good play calling in
the passing game.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Well, here we talk about the blame pile a lot
when we lose, So let's talk about the credit pie
in the Seahawks run game yesterday. How much credit given
to an improvement in the run blocking as you just
alluded to there, and how much credit given to Zach Charbonay,
who looked as spry as I've ever seen him, and
he certainly hits holes differently than ken Walker does.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, I would say, first of all, I think the
number one cause of the success mine, if we're trying
to dissect this was the poor front plays, both schematically
and personnel wise, that Arizona presented. I thought that was
the biggest factor. I'm not convinced that they've solved their
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running issues.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
As for.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Starbon Ay, look, I think it was his best game
as a pro. If we were talking on the Monday
after Canine's best game as a pro, we'd be pretty
lit up about that, right, because he's had one hundred
and sixty seven yards in a game.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think that see Canine dancing around.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
As you say, if you just put on the tap
and you said, we're going to filter all the carries
by Canine and sharbon Ay on plays where you don't
have a chance, well, sharbon Ay almost never creates anything,
and Knine sometimes creates something. If you now filter me
and you say all right, now, we're going to say,
here's the plays where the running back is given a
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chance like sharbon Ay had many times yesterday. Well, sharbon A,
you know, got some yards yesterday. But there's no part
of me that thinks that Canine could have done one
bit one yard worse than sharbon Ay. I think that
on those plays I see Knine, he'll hit it with
decisively and he has he just has more ability than Sharbonay.
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And this is a bad data to make that argument,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I do think that on really bad days by the blocking,
there's like one per game, I mean literally one per
game where I look at Canine and go, that was
a bad decision. You miss the hole. But that's almost
kind of like a quarterback who's getting hit all the
time and you say, well there's one play where you
were a little gun shy, Well it kind of makes
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sense because of all the hits you were taking, and
I think for Canine all the times where he doesn't
have a hole and he's trying to create something. But
there's no part of me that thinks even despite yes day,
catch Sarbonney is as good or better. I just think
it was a great day. You're right, Dick. He was spry,
you know that he you know, is seventy one degrees.
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I feel like he was loose and healthy and running
fast and running strong. Was a great day by him
and it was needed.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I think there's a lot of people that will criticize
Ryan Grubb obviously when things are going poorly, and as
Dick said, you know, to be fair, you got to
give the guy credit when things are going well like
they did on Sunday. So as you watch that thing,
how much of that was Ryan Grubb just doing something
totally different, scheme wise, whatever, and how much of it like, yeah, mean,
you mentioned the line obviously the biggest issue, but how
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much of this do you kind of put right on
grubbed shoulders for what happened yesterday?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Well, I give him a lot of credit, but I
think that that might go hand in hand and if
the offense doesn't succeed, I give him a lot of
the blame.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, for me, I'm just saying me.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
When I looked at an offensive coordinator, if I just say,
I take an observe phenomenon, and that might be that
the offense is playing poorly, and I say, okay, what's
the cause? Well, certainly a poor coordinator is a candidate
for that cause. But I don't just default to that
because there may be other areas of the offense where
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you say, well, he doesn't have the tools to work with,
and if you want to can him, it takes a
long time to redo, you know, the language and whatever.
And if you keep cycling through offensive coordinators, you're never
gonna make. You have to say, okay, it takes longer
for offense to become a symphony. And so when I
look at, you know, evaluating, it takes I've got to
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watch the all twenty two. It takes all my knowledge.
I'm looking for creativity and plays. Do the same plays
look different? Do different plays look the same? Is there
detailing technique of the release, the break point, the route splits,
the route depth, blocking angles, What about the timing of
the play calls Is he calling man beaters when it's man?
Is he calling blitz beaters when it's splitz? Is he
calling zone beaters when it's zone? Oh wait a minute,
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there's lots of different zones. Is he doing cover two beats?
One's covered two? Cover four meters? Right, cover three beers? Well,
oh wait, there's more than one. Cover three? Is it
country cover three or is it match pattern match cover three? Like,
there's all these things personnel. Are you attacking personnel? What
about your protections, your response to pressures. I mean, there's
a long list of things for me that I have
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to really really analyze critically before I say, wait a minute,
this offensive coordinator is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Not the guy.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
And I just believe Ryan Grubb has shown himself to
be a very intelligent guy that thinks through multiple layers
of the onion, that has a feel in the timing,
the works his ass off, who is a rookie, let
me say it again, is a rookie. And next year
when he's in year two, he's gonna be a lot better. Yeah,
And if they can get some help on that offensive line.
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I mean, there's zero part of me that thinks Ryan
Grubb is the problem on offense. Or at least a
problem that should be corrected. I mean, and it takes all,
in my opinion, all the knowledge I have. I think
it's a lot easier for an average fan to evaluate
a quarterback, but for an average fan to evaluate a coordinator.
If that's all you want to do is say, well,
the offense bad. The offensive coordinator might might be bad. Look,
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if you want to follow that, that's your choice. But
that's not how I would evaluate it at all. I
think it takes many, many more layers of analysis.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Well, let's evaluate the quarterback for a couple of minutes.
Hugh Millen joining us here. It seemed to me, Hugh,
like Gino Smith was getting rid of the ball. You
always mentioned the under two and a half seconds or
over two and a half seconds. It seemed like a
very high preponderance of under.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Two and a half seconds yesterday. Did the tape show that?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Well, big picture, and I'll get to it specifically to
the answer your question, Dick, I think that Gino is
an average to good quarterback. I think he is a
top shelf thrower of the football. He's a beautiful passer.
I think he's got you know, the size, he's got
certainly plus skills in his size and his athleticism. So
this dude has the physical traits. I think where he is,
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you know, average, sometimes is decision making. What's decision making
throw it to the right guy at the right time.
And I think that there's sometimes I put on I say,
wait a minute, you're just throwing it to the wrong guy.
You're too aggressive down the field, or you're aggressive down
the field that you should have gone aggressive down the
field to the other side of the field. There's times
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where he is is too conservative. I think yesterday it
was a very good game, one hundred and ten passer rating.
He got the win, he was part of a thirty
point assault, obviously aided by two turnovers by the defense
and a short field in that first half. But I
would say yesterday, if anything, he was too conservative. He
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left a lot of completions on the table. But I'm
not in his head, but it would be logical for
him to start to look at this defense that over
the last five weeks, if you say defensive points allowed,
so the Seahawks are number one, they're at fourteen point
eight points per game over the last five games. Uh
and uh, and so he he might be thinking, hey,
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I don't need to take a bunch of chances down
the field. I've got a great defense behind me. And
of course yesterday had the running game, and so he
let he let sales sale routes, corner routes, deep out
or breaking routes go by seem wide open by fan.
There was many plays, you know, dig routes by DK Metcalf,
go routes where he's where he turns it down. He
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was just very conservative in ways the very very best
quarterbacks would have been dialing it up down the field more.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he did,
but let's understand his game yesterday was relatively conservative.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yesterday on Twitter, I called Jackson Smith and Jigbow wide
receiver number one on this team.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, I would say that there's a symbiotic relationship going
on here because I've told you Seattle has been number
one in terms of opponent cover six coverage against the
Seahawk offense. Now that dipped a little bit with Metcalf
out of the lineup for a couple of weeks there,
but what that is is rolling the coverage. For example,
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Jackson Smith and Jigma's corner route touchdown. Immediately following the interception,
the Cardinals are playing cover six.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
It means that you're rolling up on DK on the
corner and then you're putting a safety over the top.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That's a clear dub.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
There we go. I don't know what it is this
time of day into the ether.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean, it might just be that he gets like
a certain amount of time on the internet and then
they just cut them off.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Oh, like at an internet cafe. Yeah, you only buy
like twenty minutes, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Mean you know you put the quarter in the little
thing at the at the hotel that shakes the betup
and down.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, sooner or later.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
What did you guys get out of that?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, can you go back to four o'clock and start
over a quick kidding. We're just talking about Jackson Smith
and the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The touchdown was was made possible because DK is getting
double coverage on one side of the field and then
Ryan Grebbs set the formation. This is another part of
it where he had h Jackson Smith and Jig.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But inside of the tight end. The tight end was
not the.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Innermost of three like a tight end would be he
was in the middle of three. That meant that Jackson
Smith and Jig, but against that coverage that covers six
Jackson Smith and Jig, but has the safety in a
one on one bind and he's and the safety's got
to be worried about the post. Why does he have
to worry about the post because the other safety is
way over there helping out on DK, being over the
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top on DK. So that safety is he's going to
defend that from inside out. He would rather give up
the seven cut than the eight cut. What does that mean?
The eight cut is the is the post down the middle.
The seven cut is the corner route to the sideline,
and so a safety will always defend the middle to
the outside. Well, you lean to the post and you
go wide open to the corner route, easy touchdown pass.
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But it's because the Cardinals are in Cover six rotating
down on DK.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So that's symbiotic.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
So if you want to say, and there's so many
other completions, h even just his little checkdowns what I
call chief routes, check inside flat, that's the word conjunction.
You're looking and say, well, they're rolling Cover two to DK.
The corner's sinking under DK. The safety is over the
top of DK, and there's this nice little hole for
Jackson Smith and Jigba catch the ball, move forward, twelve
yard game.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Boom, oh wow, Jackson Smith and Jigba. He's the star.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, you look at the defense how they play him schematically,
and you're saying no, in the eyes of the Cardinals,
DK Metcalf is the star.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
He's certainly the first danger threat.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Because it's obvious just sketically how they play him. So
Injigba is benefiting from that, certainly in Jigba. I love
the kid, Dick. You and I were on the on
the air when they drafted. Remember we're you know, it's
one of the few times where in the seconds leading
up to where we're.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Going, it's got to be Jackson Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It's gotta be Smith like like usually we're just you know,
out to lunch and and and clueless, but on that
one we actually hit it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I love this kid. From the jump at Ohio State.
He's got extremely high IQ.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
His sordinary quickness is elite, his ball skills are his
elite tracking. I mean, he's got the the the savvy
of a ten year vet in a young man. I mean,
he's a beautiful football player, but don't kid yourself. And
and and you've got to understand how Metcalf is impacting
not only the whole team but him specifically. And so
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I know it's Christmas time, Jackson Smith and Jigba he better,
he better pull out. I know he's on a rookie contract,
but he owes DK Metcalf something. And I don't know
if it's a Rolex watch or what the hell it is,
but uh uh uh yeah, no, I I so, I
think I think it's great, but understand how these two
are working in conjunction with one another.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Let's flip it over the defense.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You mentioned number one and scoring in the last five games,
though I am concerned with the run dye. I saw
James Connor and company go for five point three yards
per carry yesterday. I see where Seattle is twenty fourth
in the NFL and yards per carry allowed. And I
also see right down the barrel of Josh Jacobs on
Sunday Night Football, who I think is still running against
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the Seahawks like he was in twenty twenty two for
like two hundred and thirty yards Raider game. Yeah, and
then you got Aaron Jones after that. How concerned should
I be about what we're seeing with that front seven
stop in the run?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Well, I think they've had in general over the last
five games in Uptick, and they've been good. Remember now,
the Cardinals going into the last Seahawk game, they were
they were number one, no, No, the number two in
the NFL and yards per rush attempt at five point one,
but they were number one in the NFL in terms
of most rushes ten yards or more.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They had an.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Ability to have some big play with Connor, and then
of course there's always the threat of Kyler Murray and
how he eats up an extra gap in the running game,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So they they got a couple of those.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Certainly, see'all didn't do quite as well as they had
two weeks ago up in Seattle. But I I feel
reasonably confident because I think that they've they've kind of
found the answer about how they want to play in
the inside. You know, build the wall, Spill the ball
the cue ball.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This is the terminology they use in their meeting rooms.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Spill the cue ball off the table slowly, don't let
it get off too fast. What does that mean it's
like create ambiguous gap assignments for the running back. So
he's reading, reading, looking for a hole, and then he
slowly bounces it out. Now the pursuit can catch up
and you spill it to the outside. So there's a
there's a method, and most of the time, over the
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last five weeks they've been able to achieve that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
There were some breakdowns yesterday, but I still have I
don't know. My confidence is not exceedingly high, but I
think it's, you know, cautiously high, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I love it. All right, man, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Appreciate you. Give you guys more at four and we'll
talk on Friday. Alright, alright, rocking' roll guys, all right
with us, Yes, sir, you see it's not easy. Anybody
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
Sorry. Four forty five.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
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Speaker 3 (17:43):
This is a little weird.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Never heard this one before? The hell is this?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Sounds like, honestly, to take on melek.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think this sounds like the kind of song that
you recorded when you were like six years old and
your parents gave you like a little size.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Hey, let's let let's watch Jackson make music. Everybody, everybody
gather around the family river.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Let's watch Jackson drewl on himself and make a song.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can somebody tape it?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That one with a trumpet? That's exactly what it was?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Uh so one Soto?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You see this fifteen years seven sixty five Mariners were
just out of the running, slightly out of the running
for two seven. You think they made an offer for
one Sodo. I don't think no offer whatsoever. No, didn't
they even tried, Like did they just say, you know what,
we're not even gonna meet with it.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Because it would be embarrassed. Okay, Yeah, Like why would
you want to embarrass yourself? And why Like you wouldn't
want that word to get out, right, Like why would
you ever want.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Why would it change anything? Well, but you wouldn't. Waking
mariners are cheap, no way.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Because the word got out of the offer that they
they gave to a rod and it was just so
tiny compared to.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
What the was.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But the rangers blew everybody out of the water. That
was like once that was really they just went crazy.
But you're saying that you don't think that to Poto
or Hollander or anybody even bothered to even contact one
Sodo's camp about a discussion, like hey, can we get
in line?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, can we get on your schedule? As long as
no offers or no numbers were extan they can they
can get because if I'm Jerry Depoto, I'll give them
a call and I'll be like, okay, what's.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The range that we're talking here?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
And then they say, yeah, upwards of seven hundred million.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Okay, thanks, it's great to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So you're saying that they may have called him and said, hey,
we'd like to sit down with you, but.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Can you just make sure that nobody knows what we're offering.
Is that what you're saying, that's the funniest freaking thing ever.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, maybe maybe that's what happened, but I mean, look, guys,
it's just when you don't have a salary cap and
you have an owner and Steven Cohen who's worth twenty
billion dollars. I mean, this is like somebody who's making
a million bucks giving somebody thirty grand. I mean, it's
not insignificant. Obviously it's thirty grand, but you can afford it,
you can, and you're making money off the franchise. I
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mean the money that they're paying one Sodo the Mets
may increase by seven that the value of their team
may go up a billion dollars in a year, a
way the World Series, it will, and I mean it
may go up over two years. I mean, we know
it's not dropping. The value of the Mets will never
ever drop ever, ever ever ever ever. So the money
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they just spent on Jan Soto and in ten years
from now, what is fifty one million dollars gonna be?
What is fifty one million dollars in five years gonna be? Hell,
I got no idea. But when you can throw around
money like that, and you're worth as much money as
Steven Cohen is I mean, good God, good for them.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Is this one of those deals? I mean, the deferred
payments was out again. So it's just one of those
deals where we're gonna be doing, you know, some some
the next generation of sports talk shows are in twenty
seventy one. Yeah, but one Soto just got a forty
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Today, well twenty twenty four, it's making fifty one million dollars.
There's an opt out after five years, and if he
does opt out. Apparently the way I read this, and
I may be wrong on this, but the way that
I read it is the Mets can void the opt out.
Like you're one Soto and I'm the Mets, and you
opt out after five years, and I say, I'm gonna
see your opt out, and I'm gonna raise your fifty
one million to fifty five million dollars. If I void
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your opt out, I have to pay you four million
dollars more for the next ten years. That means the
deal could go to eight hundred and five million. So
if he's playing, well, why would he not opt out?
He would course, he would get an extra forty million Bucks.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Because the Mets would definitely want, of course sign him
for an export or.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Somebody else would just pay him his money on the
free agent sign another He'll only be thirty one years old.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That makes sense for so many ups out of his
deal yause that was.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
The one thing that I saw, is like fifteen years,
Like this is it for him, right, this is the
only deal. But with that opt out, he's still in
the prime of his career and he could be a
free agent.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He could make forty more million dollars if the Mets
agreed to avoid it, or they just let him walk
and he makes more money with somebody else. But that's
going on Monday night football tonight Cowboys Bengals from Dallas Huskies.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The transfer portal is open.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I saw a guy somebody was tweeting this morning
at like nine am that there were like five hundred
guys in the portal already.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The sad thing is a lot of them will never
play football again. A lot of them will not get
the offers that they're looking for, a lot of them
won't get the activity or the demand that they're looking for.
Like I don't know what is going on with Cam Davis.
I talked to Cam Davis three weeks ago. I thought
he was done too, but apparently he's in the mix
to get a seventh year. I don't know if that's
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been approved or not, but he's in the mix to
get a seventh year. And I jokingly dick I was
talking to him. I went back and listened to the
interview this morning, like three and a half weeks ago,
where I jokingly sarcastically asked him if the NCAA gives
you a seventh year, would you take it? And he
said no, I'm ready to move on and be done.
And now he's gonna keep playing college football. So I
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don't know if he just feels like with his knee,
he's not gonna play professionally and maybe there's a chance
to make a couple hundred grand with somebody next year
somewhere else. I'm totally whatever. I mean, good for him.
He could start some point. Yeah, not some pla, no
no question. I mean, and with Mohammad and Coleman here,
it's the smart move, right, I mean, Membolart goes out,
Hatchet comes back in Geary and Hatchett is coming back
from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But this is all part of the process.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And this is the power that Jed Fish and college
coaches have now where if players aren't getting the money
they're looking for in the in the portal or with
their existing teams, all the coach has to do is say, hey, man,
we got somebody else coming in that's likely gonna take
your job.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I would recommend that you leave.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And that's been that's been happening forever, but now it's
being driven by money.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Is it more? Do they phrase it like that or
do they phrase it we don't want you to come back?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yea like specifically like that, like we don't want you,
We don't want your kind.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We don't see Star Wars serve your kind here.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You'll have to wait outside, you know. I mean, how
blunt do they put it? Do they put it like,
you know, hey you can stay, you'll be on scholarship, right,
we don't really see a spot for you on.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Depth or yeah we do. They say, hey, we need
to open up a scholarship and you don't have one.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Ask Jed ask him next time we have him on
the air. How how frank is he? How blunt is he?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Because he'll tell us as you look.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
At guard Membler and say, you know what, you're good,
but Gary and Hatchet's better.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Would you please leave so he can play?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean, I don't know if your I mean, you
got to be kind of an a hole to talk
to a kid like that, first of all, but it
is professional football. And you know, however, John Schneider would
do it with the Seahawks when he's gonna cut somebody.
Hey man, it would be the same kind of conversation. Right,
We're just we're looking.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Love you, we're looking to improve.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know, I mean, that's not a very good judge Tider.
It is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's now that sucked. I'd like to try that again,
but maybe tomorrow. I just I just think it's, uh,
it's a good thing for Jed because he said this
over the off season that the portal is set up
and the rules are set up that if you don't
like the locker room, meaning you don't like where you're at,
you can leave. If the coaches don't like the players,
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they can get rid of them. I mean, how many
years have we been told about coaches running players off
for decades in college football and in college basketball, and
that these are one year scholarships, they're not four year deals.
They're one year deals. And if the players and coaches
don't see eye to eye, the coaches can strongly encourage
guys to leave and to take off. You saw Sam
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Hewars and the portal. Now he'll be on his fourth team.
He's leaving Utah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
He went from U dubbed to Calatah.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Yeah, it's been interesting road for him, but I mean
it leaves the opportunity. Let's just pick a middle range
college football school, like a Colorado State. If you have
a donor that wants to really make Colorado State a
dominant school in their conference, they could do it. And
they could do it because there's kids out there that
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don't want to be at Washington or USC, or Michigan
or Ohio State anymore that would go to Colorado State
for the right money and the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's it's all about money. Why did Travis Hunter go
to Jackson State? Originally because he got paid to go
to Jackson State. He went to play football for Dion
Sanders at Jackson State and the rumor was that he
got a million bucks. You remember, he was the number
one player in high school football and he was going
to go to Florida State and Jackson State. The rumor
was they gave him a million dollars, which back then
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was a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now it's not. But he went to Jackson fricking State,
So you're right.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I mean, dude, SMU's endowment is gigantic, gigant if they want.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
To use it for football totally, and they may not
be going away.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
This run that they're on right now may inspire someone
to donate a gazillion dollars to go buy a football team.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean what I mean, no, dis well, hey, they
bought a football team forty years ago. I was gonna
say it. What the hell do you say?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The death penalty? That's before Jackson's time? What the hell
do you think Oregon football was before Phil Knight showed up?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Phil Knight showed up in this butthole of a town
and you Gene, Oregon, where there's nothing to do besides
smoke dope and chopped down trees, I mean, honestly, and
he walks into Eugene, Oregon and look at him now,
and do you find it a coincidence that, in the
era of buying players and titles that Oregon may have
their best chance ever to win, to win a championship.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I still don't think they're as good a football team
as the one we beat last year twice.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, the field may not be as better either as
it was a year ago. Four forty one textimonials four nine,
four to five one, then Cowboys Bengals coming up at
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I don't know if it's just the people asking the
wrong questions or you just saving us best stuff for us.
I got no idea, So I think the idea of
getting a little more at four with you is a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And he joins us right now on the air, how
are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Always good to be with you?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Man?
Speaker 5 (00:15):
I got pages of notes in front of me. It
seems like I never get through them. But yeah, no,
it's fun times for us fan.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I guarantee you there will never be a day where
you stay to yourself. You know what, all of my notes,
all of my research, I got to all of it. Indeed,
that will never ever ever happen. Well, words never spoken.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Was that a good day for Ryan Gribb yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Would you make of the offense, the game plan, and
the approach, the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I thought it was a good day for sure.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I mean, I like the recognition of the in my mind,
the unsound nature of their defense. First of all, in
studying that game tape, the all twenty two, the end
zone copy, there's not one guy in that front seven
that I think is an impressive player on at least
not suited up for the Cardinals. Yesterday. And now Buddha
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Baker is elite. He is crazy good. But they were,
you know, they were playing a double reduction front, meaning
that there was three defenders kind of in the guards center.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Area and uh, and then they.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Had a lot of bodies out on the perimeter to
stop the wide receiver screen game in the RPO, meaning
the line is blocking the run game. The receivers are
running little routes to have a screen game, and then
the quarterback decides post snap whether he's going to hand
it to the running back on the running play or
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whether he's going to throw it out on the perimeter. Well,
they they were over stock the cardinal defense in my opinion,
to stop the perimeter game in the screens and and
so they were lighting the box to run it. You
had down blocks by guys like Charles Cross with those
counters where he could pull the backside lineman and get
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kickout blocks. And there was relatively few defenders because of
how they were spaced, and so that sea gap, that
gap outside the tackle was wide open and they were
able to hit it a lot, and including the fifty
one yarder for the touchdown and many others. So getting
to that gap scheme I'm pulling the backside guard and
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often tackle. That was a good scheme and good recognition
by him, in addition to some good play calling in
the passing game.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Well, here we talk about the blame pile a lot
when we lose, So let's talk about the credit pie
in the Seahawks run game yesterday. How much credit given
to an improvement in the run blocking as you just
alluded to there, and how much credit given to Zach Charbonay,
who looked as spry as I've ever seen him, and
he certainly hits holes differently than ken Walker does.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, I would say, first of all, I think the
number one cause of the success mine, if we're trying
to dissect this was the poor front plays, both schematically
and personnel wise, that Arizona presented. I thought that was
the biggest factor. I'm not convinced that they've solved their
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running issues.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
As for.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Starbon Ay, look, I think it was his best game
as a pro. If we were talking on the Monday
after Canine's best game as a pro, we'd be pretty
lit up about that, right, because he's had one hundred
and sixty seven yards in a game.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think that see Canine dancing around.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
As you say, if you just put on the tap
and you said, we're going to filter all the carries
by Canine and sharbon Ay on plays where you don't
have a chance, well, sharbon Ay almost never creates anything,
and Knine sometimes creates something. If you now filter me
and you say all right, now, we're going to say,
here's the plays where the running back is given a
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chance like sharbon Ay had many times yesterday. Well, sharbon A,
you know, got some yards yesterday. But there's no part
of me that thinks that Canine could have done one
bit one yard worse than sharbon Ay. I think that
on those plays I see Knine, he'll hit it with
decisively and he has he just has more ability than Sharbonay.
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And this is a bad data to make that argument,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I do think that on really bad days by the blocking,
there's like one per game, I mean literally one per
game where I look at Canine and go, that was
a bad decision. You miss the hole. But that's almost
kind of like a quarterback who's getting hit all the
time and you say, well there's one play where you
were a little gun shy, Well it kind of makes
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sense because of all the hits you were taking, and
I think for Canine all the times where he doesn't
have a hole and he's trying to create something. But
there's no part of me that thinks even despite yes day,
catch Sarbonney is as good or better. I just think
it was a great day. You're right, Dick. He was spry,
you know that he you know, is seventy one degrees.
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I feel like he was loose and healthy and running
fast and running strong. Was a great day by him
and it was needed.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I think there's a lot of people that will criticize
Ryan Grubb obviously when things are going poorly, and as
Dick said, you know, to be fair, you got to
give the guy credit when things are going well like
they did on Sunday. So as you watch that thing,
how much of that was Ryan Grubb just doing something
totally different, scheme wise, whatever, and how much of it like, yeah, mean,
you mentioned the line obviously the biggest issue, but how
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much of this do you kind of put right on
grubbed shoulders for what happened yesterday?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Well, I give him a lot of credit, but I
think that that might go hand in hand and if
the offense doesn't succeed, I give him a lot of
the blame.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, for me, I'm just saying me.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
When I looked at an offensive coordinator, if I just say,
I take an observe phenomenon, and that might be that
the offense is playing poorly, and I say, okay, what's
the cause? Well, certainly a poor coordinator is a candidate
for that cause. But I don't just default to that
because there may be other areas of the offense where
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you say, well, he doesn't have the tools to work with,
and if you want to can him, it takes a
long time to redo, you know, the language and whatever.
And if you keep cycling through offensive coordinators, you're never
gonna make. You have to say, okay, it takes longer
for offense to become a symphony. And so when I
look at, you know, evaluating, it takes I've got to
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watch the all twenty two. It takes all my knowledge.
I'm looking for creativity and plays. Do the same plays
look different? Do different plays look the same? Is there
detailing technique of the release, the break point, the route splits,
the route depth, blocking angles, What about the timing of
the play calls Is he calling man beaters when it's man?
Is he calling blitz beaters when it's splitz? Is he
calling zone beaters when it's zone? Oh wait a minute,
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there's lots of different zones. Is he doing cover two beats?
One's covered two? Cover four meters? Right, cover three beers? Well,
oh wait, there's more than one. Cover three? Is it
country cover three or is it match pattern match cover three? Like,
there's all these things personnel. Are you attacking personnel? What
about your protections, your response to pressures. I mean, there's
a long list of things for me that I have
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to really really analyze critically before I say, wait a minute,
this offensive coordinator is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Not the guy.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
And I just believe Ryan Grubb has shown himself to
be a very intelligent guy that thinks through multiple layers
of the onion, that has a feel in the timing,
the works his ass off, who is a rookie, let
me say it again, is a rookie. And next year
when he's in year two, he's gonna be a lot better. Yeah,
And if they can get some help on that offensive line.
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I mean, there's zero part of me that thinks Ryan
Grubb is the problem on offense. Or at least a
problem that should be corrected. I mean, and it takes all,
in my opinion, all the knowledge I have. I think
it's a lot easier for an average fan to evaluate
a quarterback, but for an average fan to evaluate a coordinator.
If that's all you want to do is say, well,
the offense bad. The offensive coordinator might might be bad. Look,
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if you want to follow that, that's your choice. But
that's not how I would evaluate it at all. I
think it takes many, many more layers of analysis.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Well, let's evaluate the quarterback for a couple of minutes.
Hugh Millen joining us here. It seemed to me, Hugh,
like Gino Smith was getting rid of the ball. You
always mentioned the under two and a half seconds or
over two and a half seconds. It seemed like a
very high preponderance of under.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Two and a half seconds yesterday. Did the tape show that?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Well, big picture, and I'll get to it specifically to
the answer your question, Dick, I think that Gino is
an average to good quarterback. I think he is a
top shelf thrower of the football. He's a beautiful passer.
I think he's got you know, the size, he's got
certainly plus skills in his size and his athleticism. So
this dude has the physical traits. I think where he is,
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you know, average, sometimes is decision making. What's decision making
throw it to the right guy at the right time.
And I think that there's sometimes I put on I say,
wait a minute, you're just throwing it to the wrong guy.
You're too aggressive down the field, or you're aggressive down
the field that you should have gone aggressive down the
field to the other side of the field. There's times
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where he is is too conservative. I think yesterday it
was a very good game, one hundred and ten passer rating.
He got the win, he was part of a thirty
point assault, obviously aided by two turnovers by the defense
and a short field in that first half. But I
would say yesterday, if anything, he was too conservative. He
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left a lot of completions on the table. But I'm
not in his head, but it would be logical for
him to start to look at this defense that over
the last five weeks, if you say defensive points allowed,
so the Seahawks are number one, they're at fourteen point
eight points per game over the last five games. Uh
and uh, and so he he might be thinking, hey,
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I don't need to take a bunch of chances down
the field. I've got a great defense behind me. And
of course yesterday had the running game, and so he
let he let sales sale routes, corner routes, deep out
or breaking routes go by seem wide open by fan.
There was many plays, you know, dig routes by DK Metcalf,
go routes where he's where he turns it down. He
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was just very conservative in ways the very very best
quarterbacks would have been dialing it up down the field more.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he did,
but let's understand his game yesterday was relatively conservative.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yesterday on Twitter, I called Jackson Smith and Jigbow wide
receiver number one on this team.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, I would say that there's a symbiotic relationship going
on here because I've told you Seattle has been number
one in terms of opponent cover six coverage against the
Seahawk offense. Now that dipped a little bit with Metcalf
out of the lineup for a couple of weeks there,
but what that is is rolling the coverage. For example,
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Jackson Smith and Jigma's corner route touchdown. Immediately following the interception,
the Cardinals are playing cover six.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
It means that you're rolling up on DK on the
corner and then you're putting a safety over the top.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That's a clear dub.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
There we go. I don't know what it is this
time of day into the ether.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean, it might just be that he gets like
a certain amount of time on the internet and then
they just cut them off.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Oh, like at an internet cafe. Yeah, you only buy
like twenty minutes, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Mean you know you put the quarter in the little
thing at the at the hotel that shakes the betup
and down.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, sooner or later.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
What did you guys get out of that?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, can you go back to four o'clock and start
over a quick kidding. We're just talking about Jackson Smith
and the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The touchdown was was made possible because DK is getting
double coverage on one side of the field and then
Ryan Grebbs set the formation. This is another part of
it where he had h Jackson Smith and Jig.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But inside of the tight end. The tight end was
not the.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Innermost of three like a tight end would be he
was in the middle of three. That meant that Jackson
Smith and Jig, but against that coverage that covers six
Jackson Smith and Jig, but has the safety in a
one on one bind and he's and the safety's got
to be worried about the post. Why does he have
to worry about the post because the other safety is
way over there helping out on DK, being over the
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top on DK. So that safety is he's going to
defend that from inside out. He would rather give up
the seven cut than the eight cut. What does that mean?
The eight cut is the is the post down the middle.
The seven cut is the corner route to the sideline,
and so a safety will always defend the middle to
the outside. Well, you lean to the post and you
go wide open to the corner route, easy touchdown pass.
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But it's because the Cardinals are in Cover six rotating
down on DK.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So that's symbiotic.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
So if you want to say, and there's so many
other completions, h even just his little checkdowns what I
call chief routes, check inside flat, that's the word conjunction.
You're looking and say, well, they're rolling Cover two to DK.
The corner's sinking under DK. The safety is over the
top of DK, and there's this nice little hole for
Jackson Smith and Jigba catch the ball, move forward, twelve
yard game.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Boom, oh wow, Jackson Smith and Jigba. He's the star.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, you look at the defense how they play him schematically,
and you're saying no, in the eyes of the Cardinals,
DK Metcalf is the star.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
He's certainly the first danger threat.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Because it's obvious just sketically how they play him. So
Injigba is benefiting from that, certainly in Jigba. I love
the kid, Dick. You and I were on the on
the air when they drafted. Remember we're you know, it's
one of the few times where in the seconds leading
up to where we're.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Going, it's got to be Jackson Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It's gotta be Smith like like usually we're just you know,
out to lunch and and and clueless, but on that
one we actually hit it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I love this kid. From the jump at Ohio State.
He's got extremely high IQ.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
His sordinary quickness is elite, his ball skills are his
elite tracking. I mean, he's got the the the savvy
of a ten year vet in a young man. I mean,
he's a beautiful football player, but don't kid yourself. And
and and you've got to understand how Metcalf is impacting
not only the whole team but him specifically. And so
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I know it's Christmas time, Jackson Smith and Jigba he better,
he better pull out. I know he's on a rookie contract,
but he owes DK Metcalf something. And I don't know
if it's a Rolex watch or what the hell it is,
but uh uh uh yeah, no, I I so, I
think I think it's great, but understand how these two
are working in conjunction with one another.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Let's flip it over the defense.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You mentioned number one and scoring in the last five games,
though I am concerned with the run dye. I saw
James Connor and company go for five point three yards
per carry yesterday. I see where Seattle is twenty fourth
in the NFL and yards per carry allowed. And I
also see right down the barrel of Josh Jacobs on
Sunday Night Football, who I think is still running against
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the Seahawks like he was in twenty twenty two for
like two hundred and thirty yards Raider game. Yeah, and
then you got Aaron Jones after that. How concerned should
I be about what we're seeing with that front seven
stop in the run?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Well, I think they've had in general over the last
five games in Uptick, and they've been good. Remember now,
the Cardinals going into the last Seahawk game, they were
they were number one, no, No, the number two in
the NFL and yards per rush attempt at five point one,
but they were number one in the NFL in terms
of most rushes ten yards or more.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They had an.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Ability to have some big play with Connor, and then
of course there's always the threat of Kyler Murray and
how he eats up an extra gap in the running game,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So they they got a couple of those.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Certainly, see'all didn't do quite as well as they had
two weeks ago up in Seattle. But I I feel
reasonably confident because I think that they've they've kind of
found the answer about how they want to play in
the inside. You know, build the wall, Spill the ball
the cue ball.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This is the terminology they use in their meeting rooms.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Spill the cue ball off the table slowly, don't let
it get off too fast. What does that mean it's
like create ambiguous gap assignments for the running back. So
he's reading, reading, looking for a hole, and then he
slowly bounces it out. Now the pursuit can catch up
and you spill it to the outside. So there's a
there's a method, and most of the time, over the
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last five weeks they've been able to achieve that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
There were some breakdowns yesterday, but I still have I
don't know. My confidence is not exceedingly high, but I
think it's, you know, cautiously high, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I love it. All right, man, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Appreciate you. Give you guys more at four and we'll
talk on Friday. Alright, alright, rocking' roll guys, all right
with us, Yes, sir, you see it's not easy. Anybody
can do it. Come on. The guy that gives you
a nursery rhyme analogies, he can give you nicknames for
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
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Speaker 3 (17:43):
This is a little weird.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Never heard this one before? The hell is this?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Sounds like, honestly, to take on melek.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think this sounds like the kind of song that
you recorded when you were like six years old and
your parents gave you like a little size.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Hey, let's let let's watch Jackson make music. Everybody, everybody
gather around the family river.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Let's watch Jackson drewl on himself and make a song.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can somebody tape it?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That one with a trumpet? That's exactly what it was?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Uh so one Soto?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You see this fifteen years seven sixty five Mariners were
just out of the running, slightly out of the running
for two seven. You think they made an offer for
one Sodo. I don't think no offer whatsoever. No, didn't
they even tried, Like did they just say, you know what,
we're not even gonna meet with it.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Because it would be embarrassed. Okay, Yeah, Like why would
you want to embarrass yourself? And why Like you wouldn't
want that word to get out, right, Like why would
you ever want.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Why would it change anything? Well, but you wouldn't. Waking
mariners are cheap, no way.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Because the word got out of the offer that they
they gave to a rod and it was just so
tiny compared to.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
What the was.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But the rangers blew everybody out of the water. That
was like once that was really they just went crazy.
But you're saying that you don't think that to Poto
or Hollander or anybody even bothered to even contact one
Sodo's camp about a discussion, like hey, can we get
in line?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, can we get on your schedule? As long as
no offers or no numbers were extan they can they
can get because if I'm Jerry Depoto, I'll give them
a call and I'll be like, okay, what's.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The range that we're talking here?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
And then they say, yeah, upwards of seven hundred million.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Okay, thanks, it's great to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So you're saying that they may have called him and said, hey,
we'd like to sit down with you, but.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Can you just make sure that nobody knows what we're offering.
Is that what you're saying, that's the funniest freaking thing ever.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, maybe maybe that's what happened, but I mean, look, guys,
it's just when you don't have a salary cap and
you have an owner and Steven Cohen who's worth twenty
billion dollars. I mean, this is like somebody who's making
a million bucks giving somebody thirty grand. I mean, it's
not insignificant. Obviously it's thirty grand, but you can afford it,
you can, and you're making money off the franchise. I
(20:07):
mean the money that they're paying one Sodo the Mets
may increase by seven that the value of their team
may go up a billion dollars in a year, a
way the World Series, it will, and I mean it
may go up over two years. I mean, we know
it's not dropping. The value of the Mets will never
ever drop ever, ever ever ever ever. So the money
(20:28):
they just spent on Jan Soto and in ten years
from now, what is fifty one million dollars gonna be?
What is fifty one million dollars in five years gonna be? Hell,
I got no idea. But when you can throw around
money like that, and you're worth as much money as
Steven Cohen is I mean, good God, good for them.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Is this one of those deals? I mean, the deferred
payments was out again. So it's just one of those
deals where we're gonna be doing, you know, some some
the next generation of sports talk shows are in twenty
seventy one. Yeah, but one Soto just got a forty
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Today, well twenty twenty four, it's making fifty one million dollars.
There's an opt out after five years, and if he
does opt out. Apparently the way I read this, and
I may be wrong on this, but the way that
I read it is the Mets can void the opt out.
Like you're one Soto and I'm the Mets, and you
opt out after five years, and I say, I'm gonna
see your opt out, and I'm gonna raise your fifty
one million to fifty five million dollars. If I void
(21:22):
your opt out, I have to pay you four million
dollars more for the next ten years. That means the
deal could go to eight hundred and five million. So
if he's playing, well, why would he not opt out?
He would course, he would get an extra forty million Bucks.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Because the Mets would definitely want, of course sign him
for an export or.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Somebody else would just pay him his money on the
free agent sign another He'll only be thirty one years old.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That makes sense for so many ups out of his
deal yause that was.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
The one thing that I saw, is like fifteen years,
Like this is it for him, right, this is the
only deal. But with that opt out, he's still in
the prime of his career and he could be a
free agent.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He could make forty more million dollars if the Mets
agreed to avoid it, or they just let him walk
and he makes more money with somebody else. But that's
going on Monday night football tonight Cowboys Bengals from Dallas Huskies.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The transfer portal is open.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I saw a guy somebody was tweeting this morning
at like nine am that there were like five hundred
guys in the portal already.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The sad thing is a lot of them will never
play football again. A lot of them will not get
the offers that they're looking for, a lot of them
won't get the activity or the demand that they're looking for.
Like I don't know what is going on with Cam Davis.
I talked to Cam Davis three weeks ago. I thought
he was done too, but apparently he's in the mix
to get a seventh year. I don't know if that's
(22:36):
been approved or not, but he's in the mix to
get a seventh year. And I jokingly dick I was
talking to him. I went back and listened to the
interview this morning, like three and a half weeks ago,
where I jokingly sarcastically asked him if the NCAA gives
you a seventh year, would you take it? And he
said no, I'm ready to move on and be done.
And now he's gonna keep playing college football. So I
(22:58):
don't know if he just feels like with his knee,
he's not gonna play professionally and maybe there's a chance
to make a couple hundred grand with somebody next year
somewhere else. I'm totally whatever. I mean, good for him.
He could start some point. Yeah, not some pla, no
no question. I mean, and with Mohammad and Coleman here,
it's the smart move, right, I mean, Membolart goes out,
Hatchet comes back in Geary and Hatchett is coming back
from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But this is all part of the process.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And this is the power that Jed Fish and college
coaches have now where if players aren't getting the money
they're looking for in the in the portal or with
their existing teams, all the coach has to do is say, hey, man,
we got somebody else coming in that's likely gonna take
your job.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I would recommend that you leave.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And that's been that's been happening forever, but now it's
being driven by money.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Is it more? Do they phrase it like that or
do they phrase it we don't want you to come back?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yea like specifically like that, like we don't want you,
We don't want your kind.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We don't see Star Wars serve your kind here.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You'll have to wait outside, you know. I mean, how
blunt do they put it? Do they put it like,
you know, hey you can stay, you'll be on scholarship, right,
we don't really see a spot for you on.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Depth or yeah we do. They say, hey, we need
to open up a scholarship and you don't have one.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Ask Jed ask him next time we have him on
the air. How how frank is he? How blunt is he?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Because he'll tell us as you look.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
At guard Membler and say, you know what, you're good,
but Gary and Hatchet's better.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Would you please leave so he can play?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean, I don't know if your I mean, you
got to be kind of an a hole to talk
to a kid like that, first of all, but it
is professional football. And you know, however, John Schneider would
do it with the Seahawks when he's gonna cut somebody.
Hey man, it would be the same kind of conversation. Right,
We're just we're looking.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Love you, we're looking to improve.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know, I mean, that's not a very good judge Tider.
It is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's now that sucked. I'd like to try that again,
but maybe tomorrow. I just I just think it's, uh,
it's a good thing for Jed because he said this
over the off season that the portal is set up
and the rules are set up that if you don't
like the locker room, meaning you don't like where you're at,
you can leave. If the coaches don't like the players,
(25:00):
they can get rid of them. I mean, how many
years have we been told about coaches running players off
for decades in college football and in college basketball, and
that these are one year scholarships, they're not four year deals.
They're one year deals. And if the players and coaches
don't see eye to eye, the coaches can strongly encourage
guys to leave and to take off. You saw Sam
(25:21):
Hewars and the portal. Now he'll be on his fourth team.
He's leaving Utah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
He went from U dubbed to Calatah.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Yeah, it's been interesting road for him, but I mean
it leaves the opportunity. Let's just pick a middle range
college football school, like a Colorado State. If you have
a donor that wants to really make Colorado State a
dominant school in their conference, they could do it. And
they could do it because there's kids out there that
(25:52):
don't want to be at Washington or USC, or Michigan
or Ohio State anymore that would go to Colorado State
for the right money and the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's it's all about money. Why did Travis Hunter go
to Jackson State? Originally because he got paid to go
to Jackson State. He went to play football for Dion
Sanders at Jackson State and the rumor was that he
got a million bucks. You remember, he was the number
one player in high school football and he was going
to go to Florida State and Jackson State. The rumor
was they gave him a million dollars, which back then
(26:22):
was a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now it's not. But he went to Jackson fricking State,
So you're right.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I mean, dude, SMU's endowment is gigantic, gigant if they want.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
To use it for football totally, and they may not
be going away.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
This run that they're on right now may inspire someone
to donate a gazillion dollars to go buy a football team.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean what I mean, no, dis well, hey, they
bought a football team forty years ago. I was gonna
say it. What the hell do you say?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The death penalty? That's before Jackson's time? What the hell
do you think Oregon football was before Phil Knight showed up?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Phil Knight showed up in this butthole of a town
and you Gene, Oregon, where there's nothing to do besides
smoke dope and chopped down trees, I mean, honestly, and
he walks into Eugene, Oregon and look at him now,
and do you find it a coincidence that, in the
era of buying players and titles that Oregon may have
their best chance ever to win, to win a championship.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I still don't think they're as good a football team
as the one we beat last year twice.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, the field may not be as better either as
it was a year ago. Four forty one textimonials four nine,
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