December 13, 2024 • 42 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen put a grade on Demond Williams’ game against Oregon and evaluate his skills while giving away an Around the Sound Golf Pass to one lucky contestant, plus we hear from Packers broadcaster Wayne Larrivee.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of the segment because you I win a pair, and
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how do you win a pair. Well, he's going to
do a nice little breakdown of Demond Williams game against
Oregon here, and at the end of his nice little breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
He's going to give an over.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
He's going to give a number, a grade number zero
being the worst possible DeMont Williams could have ever played
against any team ever, or any quarterback could play, a
one hundred being he absolutely pitched the perfect college football game.
He is going to give a number between zero and
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one hundred. If you can text in closest to the
pin on what number Hugh Millon's going to give for
Demond Williams performance against Oregon, you will win a pair
round the sound golf passes, So Hugh my take going
in first and foremost, I was with Softy one in
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the take of this is all gravy. I am not
going to be one. I am not going to be
bothered one iota about losing to Oregon, no matter how
ugly it is. And what's funny about that is I
was thinking before the game, I was like, can I
really stay this unbothered or if things get ugly, will
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I actually get upset watching this game?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And I didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I didn't get upset one second watching that game, and
in fact, I came away a little bit encouraged with
what I saw from demon Williams. Overall that being said,
I do remember turning to my son watching the game
and I was like, man, it looks like this guy's
running into a lot of sacks, because hey, the offensive
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line hasn't been great this year. It hasn't probably even
been good this year, but it seems like there's a
lot more pressures on the quarterback and sacks going on
with DeMont Williams back there than there was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
With Will Rogers.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I'm gonna kind of give you the floor first
of all, Hugh, just to kind of give me your
overall thoughts of the performance and maybe my thoughts of
going of what I had going into that game and
what I have sarved doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
First of all, you know, I come on for Softy
and you know, okay, we got three hours, and it's
typical that we would maybe exchange ideas. You'll text me,
call me whatever before Okay, what are some ideas for
talking points?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And given that the portals opened and they just bagged
the Huskies, bag the good offensive lineman, and given that
the Huskies you know, I'm not looking at this as
a post game from Oregon, because I was a few
weeks ago. This is almost like a pregame for Louisville
and even a pre game for twenty twenty five. But
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more importantly for me, in my twenty six years on KGr,
there's been a handful of times, maybe a dozen times,
where I feel like there's a narrative. You know, I'm
native seattleite. I can kind of read the I think
I can read sometimes the way the wind's blowing on
some opinions around town about some topics. And my sense
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is that the offensive line for the Huskies has been
really getting beat up.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
For the fact all you say is it ten sacks.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You said, you take two facts, ten sacks, athletic quarterback,
and everything has just been landing on the offensive line,
And personally, I feel like that has been a little
bit of I don't say injustice because it's only football,
but I don't think it's exactly fair. And I feel like,
you know, by chance, if there's a Husky offensive lineman
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who listens, might be listening right now, hank your horn,
because I feel like those guys deserve a life ring
in this because they've been battered about that performance, and
I don't think that's what the tape shows.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now, you're talking about this performance in specifics, not the
job they just.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, I'm just focusing on Oregon. You know, that's another topic.
I'm talking about ten sacks versus the Ducks because ten
ought to alarm any damn fan. Yeah, like what? And
then when you considered the athletics in the quarterback and
I've heard it, you know, I've read it. There's been
a lot of dumping going on on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think the offensive line has had struggles. It's not
I don't want to say they were fortified, like presenting
this ideal pocket. There was a lot of concerns there,
but not ten sacks worth. And I sent you the
photos of every single sack and there's a point on
a frame. Now, some are worse than others. But if
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you were just grading the quarterback, that's where I said
in the in the first hour, I said, you got
to tell me, are we grading because he's a freshman,
because that in that colors the entire discussion. If we're
just saying he's a true freshman, fine, But if we're
grading a quarterback in the Big Ten on TV on
the tape playing another Big Ten opponent was to be
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a very good opponent. Then then that is a different
matter because we're really what we're doing is assessing the
offensive line whether or not they deserve to take ten sacks.
And I mean we I walked you through it. We
rarely go in depth like that. I walk you through
what the play was on all of this. There was
there's at least two f's by the quarterback just flat
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out a corner cat where the most obvious like the
safety has got to come over the X receivers just
looking for the hot and and Demon Williams does not
see it at all.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And there's a couple of them. It's just one. There's
multiple wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Open on a multiple and checkdowns sometimes where it looks
like Oregon even busted the coverage, like nowhere your checkdown is.
Sometimes there was a little bit of a hurry where
the ball there was an opportunity for a checkdown and
the hens on a wrap concept. There was a couple
that that there was nobody open, but there was time
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and you got to just ditch the ball like on
that double verse pass.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You know, you know what, Hey, guess what.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You try to get a post wheel and a laid
up the scene up up the sideline. If the post
wasn't there, Oregon won on that play. There's plenty of oportunities.
Just throw it out of bounce. Don't take a sack
in the red zone. You take a sack, it puts
you at second and fifteen. It enthuses the crowd, it
demoralizes your offensive line. You take the risk of getting hurt.
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And so it was just over and over, and I'm like, look,
I would say there was two that there was borderline
no chance. Okay, Now it's funny on this topic that
I had to present for the thirty third team. You know,
and in the time I presented, Tom Brady had been
for two consecutive years he had the lowest sack rate
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in the NFL, and the guy who was dead last
for two straight years was justin fields. Right now, who's
more athletic? Like it's obviously a rhetoric question, but when
you watch Brady now you can say, wait a minute,
that is not fair to have to.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Expect that demand.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Williams would have the grasp of Brady, and I'm not
even close to saying that, But the point is that
you know where your outlets are and when he comes,
there's times where you don't use your legs. You just
find that check down, and so there was opportunities. I
just feel like the offensive line got absolutely eviscerated in
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terms of how they've been taking criticism. And I think
that if you were just grading the quarterback forgetting as
a freshman the navigation and the handling the pocket, if
you looked at the just the sacks, you'd probably say
a d. If you then looked at the four scrambles
that he had for twenty six yards, which were nice
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scrambles and I think for the most part good decisions.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He bailed them out.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So that would raise the quarterbacks great in my estimation,
because Damon on his runs he had eight runs for
forty yards of five yard average on his scrambles, four
scrambles twenty six yards to six point five average. Those
are real numbers, those are real plays. Those were on
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a couple on third downs. Those are beautiful scrambles, but
way too many of those sacks. I think just the
quarterback where everybody's been reluctant to criticize the quarterback because
he's a freshman and I get that, and that's why
I've asked many times you tell me the rules of
the game.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Anyways, that's how I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think there's it's a little bit of a psa
and you know, and in my opinion, somebody on that
staff out have said it. Now maybe they did say it,
and I'll apologize, but somebody should have said no, the
offensive line didn't play to the tune of ten sacks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And even demand Williams if he really want to you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Want to know something, I'll just talk quarterback to quarterback
to Demon Williams right now. And I'm not I don't
at all expect that he's listening. But if it were
to get to you want to make a massive stride
towards leadership, why don't you come out, Demond Williams and
you fall on that freaking sword and you say, you
know what. I just want to say this. We took
ten sacks as a football team, and the offensive line
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has been unduly criticized for that because I've got to
be a lot better in my awareness of where receivers
are of the schemes. Now, there was a couple of times, like,
for example, a double slant to his left. What Mike
hom Gonna called lion, I called diesel for double slant,
a word conjunction, but anyways, nomenclature doesn't matter. The spacing
was poor, and he had two slants that were almost
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right on top of it. There was a couple of
other times times where I thought the spacing was poor.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So the receiving, you know, the receiving.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Portion at the how the wide receivers, tight ends and
running backs interact in this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They got to clean it up. They got improved.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But Demon Williams would, oh my god, would he win
a boatload of support from his offensive line if he
were in advance of this bowl game. He said, you
know what, while the microphones are in front of me,
I got something to say because our offensive line has
been unduly berated on this, and I took way too
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many sacks on this. I'm doing the best I can,
but no excuses. I'm the guy with the football. I
took too many. You want to know what those players
would do if he if he did that, Oh my god, those.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Linemen would run through freaking walls for him.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So if he's talking about trying to be the leader
of this team, in twenty twenty five and Jetfish is
already handed him the job.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, it's like like spring ball doesn't exist in
terms of a quarterback competition. But you know that's Jetfish's team.
But I'm telling you, and you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
If he said that, I.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Mean, for an eighteen year old, I mean, for an
eighteen year old kid to do that'd be pretty pretty ballsy.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It'd be something more u ballsy. That's an interesting of
all the choice of words.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Just because I just because I think kids that are
so new into a program and I just don't see
them having the self confidence to take to the microphone
and say something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I think they're just going to be, you know, in.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The turtleshell, and eventually, over time, so they come out
of the turtleshell and by the time they're twenty year
old juniors, they're like, hey, man, I played a bad game.
My line protected me. I ran into a couple of sacks.
But I would expect that from a junior Demondoil.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But I'm trying to speak from the wisdom of a
journeyman quarterback who's played with three Hall of Famers. And
I've coached twenty four years and the wisdom of a
sixty year old to say, you know what, hey, kid,
you want you want to really, really, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Gonna be worth it. It's gonna be worth.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It because how people feel about you when if you
do that, you're coaching staff all, not just aligneman your
entire team.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You do that, and you're.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Gonna make a massive step in their eyes in terms
of your leadership and grabbing a hold in this being
your team.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So we're gonna get your numerical score in just a minute,
but before that, I kind of want to look ahead
to I'm gonna make you the the grand Pooba of
all things. Washington Husky offense for twenty twenty five is this,
And you know who you have coming back for the
most part. As far as the skill position, guys, you
don't know as much as on the line. But let's
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say you're able to cobble together a line that was
superior to this year. But as you know nothing, you
know nothing necessarily to write home about. Do you just say,
you know what, we have got such a great running back.
We have such a great quarterback with his legs. Do
I just turn this into a zone read situation and
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have Demon Williams help Joonah Coleman out and Jonah Coleman
helped Demon Williams out, and Jonah Coleman rushed for thirteen
hundred yards and Demon rushed for eight hundred yards. And yeah,
we'll get fifteen touchdown passes somewhere in there, but primarily
make it a running team. Or do you say no,
I'm gonna I'm going to turn Demon Williams into a
pocket passer that has mobility, that can escape, and I'm
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going to teach him the hard stuff how to not
run into ten sacks and how to read his progressions.
What's the best avenue for Jed Fish and Brendan Carroll
to work towards Demon Williams and have this team be
a team that can compete for a playoff spot next year.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, his athleticism is going to be a centerpiece of
what they do offensively.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
There's no question they're going to do a lot of reads.
Owned they did it against Oregon. He's he's a live
wire as an athlete.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
He can get on the perimeter, he can he can
scare the hell out of an opponent in space. So
that's going to be part Naked's and what have you
shorter to me? You know, I kind of see a
DTR if you remember him, Drian Thompson Robinson at UCLA
with a long run. You know, if demand can play
and stays, you know he can he can play, you know,
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three more years here and and so his skill set
I think kind of fits that. And he undoubtedly I'd
be surprised if he doesn't have NFL aspirations. If he
has NFL aspirations, he's gonna have to operate from the pocket.
And even if he didn't, if you just said, hey,
we don't care about the NFL, you still are going
to have to make plays in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I mean, you go.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Against particularly the better defenses with team speed and they're
gonna they're gonna hunt you down. You have to present
a passing threat, period. And he knows that. And and
then there's times where, you know, for for a guy
with that type of athleticism, when he says, okay, abort
the play, I'm in scramble mode.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Some I referenced Tom Brady earlier.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Tom Brady never had had any impulse in his life,
even going back to high school. Did everything well, my
legs are getting get me out of this trouble. It's
only my mind. My mind is going to avoid the sacks.
That's why he was number one in in the NFL
lowest sack rate for two straight years as a forty
five year old. Now, Demon Williams has two tools in
his toolbox. He has his mind and he has his legs,
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and so he has to use the discretion of Okay,
here's the time where I use my mind. I know,
I have a rap concept, there's a hinge, there's immediate presser.
It's just you know, it's just a guy's four yards.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
In front of me.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But he might break attack and we might get seven
yards on that, but at least we don't take a sack.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So he's got to know where.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
All of his his his outlets are and and he's
and he can't just constantly have the impulse like I'm
gonna I'm gonna try and shake my way out of
this thing again. History has shown that guys who do
the athletic quarterbacks take more secks. That is undebatable, undebatable
that history in this era, in former eras, I've got
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a twelve point power point on this. If you don't
believe me. I'll email the damn thing just right. Okay,
So just accept that conclusion. Now, how do you how
do you manage just to get the best out of
demand Williams.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, you use him and read zone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You use him in quarterback draws out of empty if
they give you a light block, you use all of
his athleticism. I'm not saying table that. Hell no, don't
table that. But you coach him up. You still have
got to grind hard on the details. You can't throw
double slant at him and have everybody stacked up so
that his read, which is the number two defender the overhang,
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you read inside out.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And then all of a sudden he has no place
to go with the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So be better on the perimeter and also know where
you're where your outlets are. When Demon Wims, I'll close
with this, When Demon Wims had all that time against
Penn State, Drew Aller had thirty one dropbacks. He had
exactly one time where there was a free runner where
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nobody was blocked, and he knew exactly where the hot receiver.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He threw it over the middle.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Everybody was on page and the Penn State got a
nice short completion to forty four. That that beautiful tight
end right, thirty one dropbacks, no free runners, without a plan.
J Mont Williams had seventeen dropbacks, eight free runners, no plan.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Completely coming loose running around.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
That is, if your blitz plan is we've got an
athletic quarterback, let him just wiggle his way out of it,
that is a losing proposition.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You'll be lucky to be back at six and six
in another bowl again.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And so they've got to be better on the nuance
part of the pass offense. That includes protection, and everybody's
got to play a part of it, including the quarterback
freshman or not.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All Right, our parameters that we established and will once
again reiterate them, zero being like the worst possible thing
that a big ten quarterback could perform in a one
hundred like the most perfectly pitched game a big ten
quarterback would pitch against another big ten team. Where was
Demond Williams between zero and one hundred for the pair
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of around the sound golf passes.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Here, Well, I don't like being down with five minutes
to go, exactly five minutes to go in the game.
I don't like being down to your rival forty nine
to fourteen, and I don't like that. At that time,
your quarterback has one hundred and forty two passing yards
and you got ten sacks. So there's a lot of
things not to like about it. But there was there
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were some runs in there. He had a his fade
away to oh god, who's number six again? The transfer
high Hunter? Yeah, third and eleven to Hunter he pulled.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's one of that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That is a play that Pat Mahomes would be out
of beautiful. Oh do you remember that? And he he
navigated and got completions. On the very next pass, he
navigated to his left to a moving target to his right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There was a lot of cool stuff there. You asked me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
My answer, I'll just give you this if fifty is
dead median or just my opinion. And this was your idea,
by the way, to get him a grade. I was
going to talk about sacks, and then you said, well,
I want to tie into an I want to grade him.
So this this has morphed and evolved into something that
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I didn't have a vision on. But I'm playing the
game and I'm gonna say I will give him a
fifty one.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Oh wow, that's actually higher fifty one. Okay, fifty one.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's actually higher than I thought I was.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Going to write down. And I probably am against advice.
I'm probably still wiggling in the freshman factor. I probably
in my consciously solible humanity. I just probably can't get
exclude that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Intellectually. I'm trying to, I think viscerally I cannot.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
All right, we'll find a winner during the break. We'll
come back right after this. Dick Fane a softy and
Dick without the soft one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Hugh was here. He was here for about twenty more minutes.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Because then we're gonna hear from Wayne le Revi our
conversation with the Packer play by play man that we
had a couple of days ago, and Chuck Powell gonna
join us at six o'clock, and we're gonna hear Mike
Holmgren and Chris Collinsworth in the six o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So a lot to get to our final segment with
Hugh is next. Don't go away now, back.
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But we just gave away or we're about to give
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Hugh Breed Love Mellon just gave us a grade of
fifty for Demon Williams and his performance against Oregon and Jackson.
Give us the rundown of what you found on the
text line. Over the last couple three hours.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Five total people texted in the number fifty one. One
person actually texted in fifty one point three. But the
first among them and the winner of the pair of
roundissan golf passes, is our friend Michael Kinney from Bellevue,
who says, I was in hum Millon's brain and that's
how apparently he knew fifty one.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He was it was? And when did he and when
did he text that?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Because you said the first one that the rules of
the road was if there's a tie, it's the first
text that comes in that nails it.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
When did he text in It was almost at the
start of the show, right when we first announced it.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I have to look back for these exactly three six,
three oh seven.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, exactly right around that, even three oh seven, but
it was right around the start. He was one of
the first fifty that came in, or so of the
I don't even know how many. It doesn't even count
this far on my text left. That's a good price,
that's a good prize.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think, guys, fifty one Jackson, you didn't watch the.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Game was higher than you thought. It was higher than
I thought you were going to give him.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So you know, if I gave him a grade for
pocket navigate because it wasn't just missing guy, it was
when he chose to run sometimes premature.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But I didn't I didn't like the direction.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I didn't think he showed great instincts always about where
the opening would be. You use the term just offhanded.
You said, ran into sacks, and I agree that he
had a few of those where it's wait, there's there's
an opening over there. So that's something at least for
me as an analyst that I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But Jackson, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah, I feel like that's about right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You have to really it fell a little.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I was talking about this in the Break with Hugh
Russell Wilson in the sense of like, you don't got
to take that sack. But I mean at the same
point the kids making his first art on the road
against the number one team in America, he didn't throw
a pick, you know, like at the end of the day,
I think it's it's about I would have a little
higher than fifty one, just because of all of the
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stakes involved with this. So we didn't have those. But
that's the thing, exactly, we didn't have those. That's the thing.
Because we aren't including those parameters, it does seem fifty
one as far.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh yeah, if we included all those parameters at or
again first start ever, I mean I'm probably in the sixties,
you know, out of a zero to one hundred scale.
I think I think you nailed it. I think it
was very very good.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Now, remember now, the fifty nine yards on the last drive,
including the touchdown, that was all against backups and the
score was forty nine to fourteen, so if his two
hundred one yards passing, you know again fifty nine, So
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
If you're at.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Forty nine to fourteen with under five minutes to go
and you and you only have one hundred and forty
two yards pass, that's hard to give the quarterback a
lot flowers.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Of course, unless he's a freshman. He's a freshman, and
you know what, he didn't throw three pick six.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He didn't know, he didn't have the he didn't have
a geno against the Rams game, I mean where.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He throws destructive balls.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So earlier in the show, in our in Our in
our fun with audio, we talked about an altercation between
Jets Great Mark Gastno and Brett Farv that was just unearthed,
but we didn't play the audio. We played instead we
played Boomera size and blasting Mark Gasto. But we found
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the audio and we wanted to play that for you
since we talked about it earlier day. This is at
a card show last year, but the audio and the
video was unearthed this week. That's why it's topical now
of Mark gas going after like coming up to Brett
Farrv at a card show and unsoliciting, just kind of
unsolicitly just kind of undressing him for for a play
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back in two thousand and one where Brett Farv kind
of just rolled at the feet of Michael strahand to
give straight hand Jackson's sack record.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't know it yet, Sorry to interrupt, you, dick.
Keep in mind when he when Farv came up to him,
he had his arm out stretched like to shake his hand,
that's right, and Gasto did not shake his hand, And
at that point you could see Farv kind of slowly
put his own out, like, oh, okay, this is a
little different encounter than I expected. Sorry to interrupt, but
here's a good dick there. Now that's good context. And
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here's what it sounded like, how you do it when
you fell down for him.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I'm going to get my sack bag. I'm going to
get my sack bag. Dude, you probably would hurt me. Well,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You hurt me. You hurt me.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You heard me, Yeah, I hear you really hurt me.
You hurt me, Brett. We got to get back to this, Brad.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Wow, I mean twenty two years later, the guy is
still like literally emotional almost in tears confronting Brett Farv
on Yes, obviously, I mean it just it was really
uncomfortable to watch. I mean as uncomfortable as it was
for you to listen to is really look it up
on YouTube, very very uncomfortable to watch, and like, I
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can't even imagine how I mean, Brett Farv reacted, I
guess as civilly as as he possibly could. There Have
you ever had a situation you were like, you could
either affect a record, either as Brett Favre affecting the
record by giving it to someone else, or you're being
Mark Gasto and you had a record that got broken
in some like goofy way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, there's so many differences, too many to mention. In
the case of Gasino, he wants to get in the
Hall of Fame, and he thinks that if he still
had the record, he'd get in the Hall of Fame,
which is I'm as close to the Hall of Fame
as you and Jackson are, so the stating the obvious.
But I did have a situation actually was thirty years
ago this year where I had I had tied the
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AFC record for consecutive completions at twenty I didn't know
it because it was over two games. It was Raiders,
and then and then we're playing the forty nine ers
who the Super Bowl, who end up being the Super
Bowl champions, Dean and everybody. So at this juncture there's
a drop in fact, even on the play by play,
a wide receiver named Derrick Russell. On the play by play,
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it says, thrown out there, dropped and I mean, I
couldn't have thrown it in a bit. And then and
then there's I think five or six completions after that.
I didn't know all this while when it was going on,
I kind of knew, Okay, I haven't at least I
haven't thrown a lot. I haven't crapped the bed like
I usually did. You know, right, you know, aren't I
due for an interception? But uh had he caught it
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that it would have broke Montana's all time record.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
It was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It was tied the AFC record for how much it
was in a row. I think twenty five. I think
at twenty it was twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I don't know, but you know, it would have been
like your jersey's going to Canton, blah blah blah, and
and it's still the.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Record today is still twenty five, Like, can you imagine that?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Hell, it would be It would have been the most
the most absurd thing, well sloppy me to have it right,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Not saying I deserve it, but just to think about it,
it'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, yeah, we've been introducing you every day when we
bring you on as NFC record holder, hum millin no NFL, NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, that's what I'm saying. It was because it was
the AFC record. It was the AFC record.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But but but there was a chance you take that
if that drop was a catch, it would it would
have been an NFL totally inadvertently. But and again I know,
damn where I I don't deserve that, But it still
would be kind of cool. It would we agree on that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It would be kind of kind to break Joe Montada's record.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Hugh.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
On that note, great stuff. We're gonna let you off
early on a Friday night. Go have you go, have
a nice dinner with your with your beautiful bride, and
we will talky on Monday.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We'll talk to you Sunday night. Sunday night. Let's let's
be talking about a win over Green Day, joyful man
ring the bill, good.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Vibes, love it, thanks you, that's you breathe lovement. Here's
what we're gonna do between now and seven o'clock. We
got a lot of great stuff with This was a
very unusual show for Softian Dick this week. We actually
had really good shows. Right, We had really good guests,
So we want to replace some of those for you,
and we're gonna have a live interview with Chuck Powell
at six o'clock. So coming up next, Wayne Larvie, our
conversation with the Green Bay Packer play by play man
(30:31):
coming up in the next segment, three.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Receivers, Right, here's the snap till Wilson extends the play
backpedals to the forty looking still waiting yet does he
let's go the enzone.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
For jump ball? And is it cut in the end zone?
O you God'll be here. They got a look at it,
guilt there.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
It was caught simultaneously the officials motion touchdown golden takee.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
MD Jennings was there, so was Sam Shields. How can
they take that away? Twelve years ago?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Dude?
Speaker 9 (31:10):
That fail Mary twelve years ago and joining us right
now on the radio show the voice of the Packers
who was on that call twelve years ago at Loominfield
back then Century Link, Wayne la Revie with us on
the ear, Wayne, how are you man?
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Good? That was nothing compared to the NFC Championship game
two years later?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
My goodness. Well, you know what, It's funny.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
We actually we had this conversation off the air and
I told my producer, Jackson Feltz, I said, look, the
guy's agreeing to come on, don't play anything from that
NFC Championship game, pail Mary. We can at least debate
it whatever.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
You guys got screwed, by the way.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
I can admit that now twelve years later, But honestly,
how much do games like that? The NFC Championship today
still kind of bother Packer Nation and get talked about.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
You know, it's amazing. You know, the success is the
Super Bowls are one thing, but those losses like fourth
and twenty six at Philadelphia, you know, the tail Mary
in Seattle, the the NFC Championship game in twenty fourteen,
those are the things that just resonate like they happened yesterday,
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you know, And I think it's kind of the cursive
of the way we all are in sports.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, another way the Packers kind of mirror the Seahawks
is you have a former quarterback that's still playing and
as having various levels of success. We were adamantly rooting
against Russell Wilson when he was in Denver because we
had their draft picks. We wanted him to lose, and
now we're like, hey, this is kind of cool to
see him do well. Are Packer fans kind of liking
what's going on with the Jets and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I don't know if they're celebrating it. There's been enough time,
you know, from his departure too now, and Jordan Love
is kind of the focus of attention in Packerland, and
so I wouldn't say people are necessarily overjoyed that, you know,
Aaron has struggled, and Davante as well, and before that
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Randall Cobb with the Jets. I just I don't feel
that way, I know personally, and I don't think fans
necessarily are too concerned about it either. Nobody seems to
talk about it whole lot.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
Wayne Larvie again the voice of the Packers, and by
the way, just for the record. You mentioned that game
in twenty fourteen and how much that still sticks with you,
the losses, and I agree with you, but just don't
forget two weeks later we went to Arizona and got
picked off at the one yard Life.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Okay, so yeah, we we know, you know, we know,
and I.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Mean that that would have been two in a row
for you guys. And you know here's another one. Now,
this is before I got the Green Bay. But the
Packers won the super Bowl, super Bowl thirty one, I
believe was Super Bowl thirty two, like sixteen point favorites
over John Elway and the Denver Broncos and they lose
to the Broncos in Elway's first Super Bowl championship. I mean,
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you know, that's the one that for that era of
fans and players sticks with them more than the Super
Bowl they won.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Yeah, well, Wayne, this Packer team, I know a lot
of people loved him.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
A year ago.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Greg Rosenthal picked them as kind of a dark horse,
and they came pretty close, almost knocked off the Niners obviously,
and now they're a you know, a nine to four
football team that in any other division would be challenging
for probably the division Championship. How good is this team
that we're going to see on Sunday night.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Honestly, you know, they're evolving and I think they're they're
getting better. And they played Detroit tooth and nail in
a you know, heavyweight fight, and you know, came up
on the short side. I'm curious to see. You know,
some games take more than a week to get over,
and fortunately they've had more than a week or will
have had more than a week to get over that
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game physically and emotionally. And believe me, those two factors
are huge in determining how well you play on a
given Sunday in the NFL. So you know, I'm hoping
that they'll they'll be able to come forth and play
the way they did against Miami in this game against Seattle.
But Seattle is a much better team than Miami, and
you know, this is a big measuring stick for both.
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I think the Seahawks and the Packers or in very
much the same position, except the Seattle, with their eight
and five record, leads their division.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Wayne The numbers indicate that Jordan Love's got the exact
same passer rating this year as last year. He's got
nearly identical QBR this year as last year. But what
do your eyes tell you? What's how is Jordan Loved
different and is he better in year two than he
was in year one?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Not been as explosive yet, but it's getting there, starting
to warm to the task, so to speak. You know,
he struggled with injury this season. He struggled with a
couple of injuries, and then you know, it was just
kind of the stop and go. He misses two games,
comes back, plays a game and a half, is still
bothered by an injury. They get a bye week, he
comes back, he's healthy, And that's the thing that I
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think now we're starting to see Jordan Love play the
way he did at the end of last year. Is
he as explosive as that run last year? I mean
he had eighteen touchdown passes in one interception of the
last eight games last year. I don't think he's at
that level right now, but he's getting there. And he's
still probably a little smarter quarterback now based on his experience.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Hey, Wayne, you've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I'm still trying to figure out how a guy could
be the voice of the Bears one year and the
voice of the Packers the next year. That's like being
the voice of South Korea, North Korea. That doesn't make
any sense to me. But you've been all over the place,
You've done it all. We've heard you do tournament games
obviously as well. But I'm curious to get your thoughts
from a couple thousand miles away on the quarterback that
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the Seahawks will throw at your defense on Sunday. What's
the perception you think in packer landing around the NFL,
and maybe especially from your defens's perspective on Gino Smith.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, Gino Smith reclamation project, right, you know, he and
Sam Darnold, you know this is hey listen, in this
day and age now, you get drafted and maybe high
up in the first round, or as Gino did in
the second round, you get thrown into the fire, probably
before you're ready. You have to fail, move on somewhere else,
learn another way, and then come back and find the
(37:23):
right system and the right coaching staff that believes in you,
that gives you a shot. And that's what Gino Smith's
all about. I'm really impressed with him. I'm pressed with
his ability to He's a pocket passer, but a guy
who can certainly take advantage of a defense with his
legs as well two hundred and twenty six yards rushing.
I mean, I think the guy's outstanding. He reminds me
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a little bit. He's a little bit of a gun
slinger at the twelve interception second most behind Kirk Cousins.
I get that. But he's also a guy who can
win games for you. And you know, hey, listen, I
think people are happy that Gino Smith has you know,
found himself and found career for himself in Seattle, Wayne.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Usually when a team says so long to a veteran
running back, they usually replace him with a rookie or
a second year guy. And you guys decided to swap
out Aaron Jones and replace him with the veteran Josh Jacobs.
How has that worked out for you? Because when you
look at the numbers, I mean, what Aaron Jones is
doing is about the same as what Josh Jacobs is doing.
In Minnesota and Green Bay, Yeah, but you.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Know, the whole perception of the Packers, their whole persona
has changed with Josh Jacobs running the football. Green Bay
has always been, you know, a cutting edge West Coast offense,
with excellent talent wide receiver orchestrated by a Hall of
Fame quarterback. That's what they've been for the last thirty years. Now,
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this team is starting to take on a little different persona.
They're becoming more of a physical football team. And the
first it starts with Josh Jacobs. The way he runs
the football. It impacts everybody on that offense and the
way they play the game, and it even impacts the
deep in how they play the game now. And so
you know, this Green Bay team, I would say, is
more physical than the barb and Rodgers teams have passed.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Hey, Wayne le Revie again the voice of the Packers,
I know you got to take off and run here
in a second. I'm just curious about how many Packer
fans you think we're going to see infiltrate Loomenfield. You
see these guys every road game, and tickets to get
in at venue Kings are two thirty six right now.
By comparison, the Bears are playing the Vikings and the
next Vikings home game, guys, tickets are one hundred and sixty.
(39:29):
The next home game for Minnesota is against Green Bay
and they go to three hundred and fifty dollars. That's
the packing effect. How many Packer fans should we expect?
And do they still travel like MADDI.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Yeah, they do travel, and they travel well, you know,
like Pittsburgh and Dallas fans. The Packers are right there
with those teams, and there'll be a lot of them there.
I know they've got a pep rally in one of
the local establishments Saturday nights, so it should be a
lot of fun. It'll be a lot of fun in
that stadium. It's a great atmosphere, you know, the Pacific Northwest.
You can't beat it. It's just wonderful place. And you
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guys are so lucky to live there.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, finally, Wayne, speaking of Packer fans, how do they
view the Lions right now? Because the Lions have always
been your little brother. I mean they've been in your
little brother for fifty plus years, and yet you know
they are now dominating the division, but they still haven't
beaten the Packers in the playoffs, and they still haven't
done anything really in the playoffs, and you still view
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them as the little brother, not you, but Packer fans.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
Yeah, no, I don't think so. I think the Packers
fans are viewing it now. Is the Lions' rivalry is
cranked up to a level we haven't seen and maybe
since the fifties, but no, this is it's becoming a
great rivalry. And the Lions, this is their year, guys,
This is their last year with San Francisco's year to
win and they didn't quite get it done. This is
Detroit's year, despite all their injuries and everything else, it's
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their year. And if they don't get it done. I've
told many friends with the Lions. My former boss is
working with the Lions now. I told them, hey, listen,
you guys don't win it all this year, take a
look at what San Francisco is, because that's probably what
you're going to be next year if you miss this opportunity.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
All right, before you go, you got a call coming
and I know that. Give us thirty seconds. We do
a show every Thursday with a guy named Mike Holmgren
who sits down with us for an hour every Thursday.
Oh wow, he's a finalist for the Hall of Fame.
Give us your thoughts on Mike's candidacy for Canton Man.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
I got to tell you something. There is no one
who deserves it more what he did along with Ron
Wolf at the hiring of Bob Harland and Green Bay.
They took a historic franchise that was totally dormant and
in the age of pro football, the modern age of
Pro football, no one thought they would ever be able
to win again. Bob Harlan didn't was wondered if they'd
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ever be able to win again. Those guys turned it around.
Those guys were at the focal point of one of
the greatest turnarounds in the history of the National Football League.
And Mike Homlan was right in the middle of it.
If you think he was only a one rick pony
going to Green Bay, he went to Seattle and they
built a Super Bowl team there. So now he's well,
he deserves it. Gosh, that's great. Tell him we all
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wish him the best, and they're hoping to see him
in Canton next summer.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
No, we will for sure, all right, Wayne, great stuff,
appreciate this and we'll talk down the rud buddy, Thank you,
thank you.
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how do you win a pair. Well, he's going to
do a nice little breakdown of Demond Williams game against
Oregon here, and at the end of his nice little breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
He's going to give an over.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
He's going to give a number, a grade number zero
being the worst possible DeMont Williams could have ever played
against any team ever, or any quarterback could play, a
one hundred being he absolutely pitched the perfect college football game.
He is going to give a number between zero and
(01:31):
one hundred. If you can text in closest to the
pin on what number Hugh Millon's going to give for
Demond Williams performance against Oregon, you will win a pair
round the sound golf passes, So Hugh my take going
in first and foremost, I was with Softy one in
(01:51):
the take of this is all gravy. I am not
going to be one. I am not going to be
bothered one iota about losing to Oregon, no matter how
ugly it is. And what's funny about that is I
was thinking before the game, I was like, can I
really stay this unbothered or if things get ugly, will
(02:13):
I actually get upset watching this game?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And I didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I didn't get upset one second watching that game, and
in fact, I came away a little bit encouraged with
what I saw from demon Williams. Overall that being said,
I do remember turning to my son watching the game
and I was like, man, it looks like this guy's
running into a lot of sacks, because hey, the offensive
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line hasn't been great this year. It hasn't probably even
been good this year, but it seems like there's a
lot more pressures on the quarterback and sacks going on
with DeMont Williams back there than there was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
With Will Rogers.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I'm gonna kind of give you the floor first
of all, Hugh, just to kind of give me your
overall thoughts of the performance and maybe my thoughts of
going of what I had going into that game and
what I have sarved doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
First of all, you know, I come on for Softy
and you know, okay, we got three hours, and it's
typical that we would maybe exchange ideas. You'll text me,
call me whatever before Okay, what are some ideas for
talking points?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And given that the portals opened and they just bagged
the Huskies, bag the good offensive lineman, and given that
the Huskies you know, I'm not looking at this as
a post game from Oregon, because I was a few
weeks ago. This is almost like a pregame for Louisville
and even a pre game for twenty twenty five. But
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more importantly for me, in my twenty six years on KGr,
there's been a handful of times, maybe a dozen times,
where I feel like there's a narrative. You know, I'm
native seattleite. I can kind of read the I think
I can read sometimes the way the wind's blowing on
some opinions around town about some topics. And my sense
(04:00):
is that the offensive line for the Huskies has been
really getting beat up.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
For the fact all you say is it ten sacks.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You said, you take two facts, ten sacks, athletic quarterback,
and everything has just been landing on the offensive line,
And personally, I feel like that has been a little
bit of I don't say injustice because it's only football,
but I don't think it's exactly fair. And I feel like,
you know, by chance, if there's a Husky offensive lineman
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who listens, might be listening right now, hank your horn,
because I feel like those guys deserve a life ring
in this because they've been battered about that performance, and
I don't think that's what the tape shows.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now, you're talking about this performance in specifics, not the
job they just.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, I'm just focusing on Oregon. You know, that's another topic.
I'm talking about ten sacks versus the Ducks because ten
ought to alarm any damn fan. Yeah, like what? And
then when you considered the athletics in the quarterback and
I've heard it, you know, I've read it. There's been
a lot of dumping going on on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think the offensive line has had struggles. It's not
I don't want to say they were fortified, like presenting
this ideal pocket. There was a lot of concerns there,
but not ten sacks worth. And I sent you the
photos of every single sack and there's a point on
a frame. Now, some are worse than others. But if
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you were just grading the quarterback, that's where I said
in the in the first hour, I said, you got
to tell me, are we grading because he's a freshman,
because that in that colors the entire discussion. If we're
just saying he's a true freshman, fine, But if we're
grading a quarterback in the Big Ten on TV on
the tape playing another Big Ten opponent was to be
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a very good opponent. Then then that is a different
matter because we're really what we're doing is assessing the
offensive line whether or not they deserve to take ten sacks.
And I mean we I walked you through it. We
rarely go in depth like that. I walk you through
what the play was on all of this. There was
there's at least two f's by the quarterback just flat
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out a corner cat where the most obvious like the
safety has got to come over the X receivers just
looking for the hot and and Demon Williams does not
see it at all.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And there's a couple of them. It's just one. There's
multiple wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Open on a multiple and checkdowns sometimes where it looks
like Oregon even busted the coverage, like nowhere your checkdown is.
Sometimes there was a little bit of a hurry where
the ball there was an opportunity for a checkdown and
the hens on a wrap concept. There was a couple
that that there was nobody open, but there was time
(06:53):
and you got to just ditch the ball like on
that double verse pass.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You know, you know what, Hey, guess what.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You try to get a post wheel and a laid
up the scene up up the sideline. If the post
wasn't there, Oregon won on that play. There's plenty of oportunities.
Just throw it out of bounce. Don't take a sack
in the red zone. You take a sack, it puts
you at second and fifteen. It enthuses the crowd, it
demoralizes your offensive line. You take the risk of getting hurt.
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And so it was just over and over, and I'm like, look,
I would say there was two that there was borderline
no chance. Okay, Now it's funny on this topic that
I had to present for the thirty third team. You know,
and in the time I presented, Tom Brady had been
for two consecutive years he had the lowest sack rate
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in the NFL, and the guy who was dead last
for two straight years was justin fields. Right now, who's
more athletic? Like it's obviously a rhetoric question, but when
you watch Brady now you can say, wait a minute,
that is not fair to have to.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Expect that demand.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Williams would have the grasp of Brady, and I'm not
even close to saying that, But the point is that
you know where your outlets are and when he comes,
there's times where you don't use your legs. You just
find that check down, and so there was opportunities. I
just feel like the offensive line got absolutely eviscerated in
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terms of how they've been taking criticism. And I think
that if you were just grading the quarterback forgetting as
a freshman the navigation and the handling the pocket, if
you looked at the just the sacks, you'd probably say
a d. If you then looked at the four scrambles
that he had for twenty six yards, which were nice
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scrambles and I think for the most part good decisions.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He bailed them out.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So that would raise the quarterbacks great in my estimation,
because Damon on his runs he had eight runs for
forty yards of five yard average on his scrambles, four
scrambles twenty six yards to six point five average. Those
are real numbers, those are real plays. Those were on
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a couple on third downs. Those are beautiful scrambles, but
way too many of those sacks. I think just the
quarterback where everybody's been reluctant to criticize the quarterback because
he's a freshman and I get that, and that's why
I've asked many times you tell me the rules of
the game.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Anyways, that's how I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think there's it's a little bit of a psa
and you know, and in my opinion, somebody on that
staff out have said it. Now maybe they did say it,
and I'll apologize, but somebody should have said no, the
offensive line didn't play to the tune of ten sacks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And even demand Williams if he really want to you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Want to know something, I'll just talk quarterback to quarterback
to Demon Williams right now. And I'm not I don't
at all expect that he's listening. But if it were
to get to you want to make a massive stride
towards leadership, why don't you come out, Demond Williams and
you fall on that freaking sword and you say, you
know what. I just want to say this. We took
ten sacks as a football team, and the offensive line
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has been unduly criticized for that because I've got to
be a lot better in my awareness of where receivers
are of the schemes. Now, there was a couple of times, like,
for example, a double slant to his left. What Mike
hom Gonna called lion, I called diesel for double slant,
a word conjunction, but anyways, nomenclature doesn't matter. The spacing
was poor, and he had two slants that were almost
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right on top of it. There was a couple of
other times times where I thought the spacing was poor.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So the receiving, you know, the receiving.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Portion at the how the wide receivers, tight ends and
running backs interact in this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They got to clean it up. They got improved.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But Demon Williams would, oh my god, would he win
a boatload of support from his offensive line if he
were in advance of this bowl game. He said, you
know what, while the microphones are in front of me,
I got something to say because our offensive line has
been unduly berated on this, and I took way too
(11:13):
many sacks on this. I'm doing the best I can,
but no excuses. I'm the guy with the football. I
took too many. You want to know what those players
would do if he if he did that, Oh my god, those.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Linemen would run through freaking walls for him.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So if he's talking about trying to be the leader
of this team, in twenty twenty five and Jetfish is
already handed him the job.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, it's like like spring ball doesn't exist in
terms of a quarterback competition. But you know that's Jetfish's team.
But I'm telling you, and you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
If he said that, I.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Mean, for an eighteen year old, I mean, for an
eighteen year old kid to do that'd be pretty pretty ballsy.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It'd be something more u ballsy. That's an interesting of
all the choice of words.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Just because I just because I think kids that are
so new into a program and I just don't see
them having the self confidence to take to the microphone
and say something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I think they're just going to be, you know, in.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The turtleshell, and eventually, over time, so they come out
of the turtleshell and by the time they're twenty year
old juniors, they're like, hey, man, I played a bad game.
My line protected me. I ran into a couple of sacks.
But I would expect that from a junior Demondoil.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But I'm trying to speak from the wisdom of a
journeyman quarterback who's played with three Hall of Famers. And
I've coached twenty four years and the wisdom of a
sixty year old to say, you know what, hey, kid,
you want you want to really, really, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Gonna be worth it. It's gonna be worth.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It because how people feel about you when if you
do that, you're coaching staff all, not just aligneman your
entire team.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You do that, and you're.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Gonna make a massive step in their eyes in terms
of your leadership and grabbing a hold in this being
your team.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So we're gonna get your numerical score in just a minute,
but before that, I kind of want to look ahead
to I'm gonna make you the the grand Pooba of
all things. Washington Husky offense for twenty twenty five is this,
And you know who you have coming back for the
most part. As far as the skill position, guys, you
don't know as much as on the line. But let's
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say you're able to cobble together a line that was
superior to this year. But as you know nothing, you
know nothing necessarily to write home about. Do you just say,
you know what, we have got such a great running back.
We have such a great quarterback with his legs. Do
I just turn this into a zone read situation and
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have Demon Williams help Joonah Coleman out and Jonah Coleman
helped Demon Williams out, and Jonah Coleman rushed for thirteen
hundred yards and Demon rushed for eight hundred yards. And yeah,
we'll get fifteen touchdown passes somewhere in there, but primarily
make it a running team. Or do you say no,
I'm gonna I'm going to turn Demon Williams into a
pocket passer that has mobility, that can escape, and I'm
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going to teach him the hard stuff how to not
run into ten sacks and how to read his progressions.
What's the best avenue for Jed Fish and Brendan Carroll
to work towards Demon Williams and have this team be
a team that can compete for a playoff spot next year.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, his athleticism is going to be a centerpiece of
what they do offensively.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
There's no question they're going to do a lot of reads.
Owned they did it against Oregon. He's he's a live
wire as an athlete.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
He can get on the perimeter, he can he can
scare the hell out of an opponent in space. So
that's going to be part Naked's and what have you
shorter to me? You know, I kind of see a
DTR if you remember him, Drian Thompson Robinson at UCLA
with a long run. You know, if demand can play
and stays, you know he can he can play, you know,
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three more years here and and so his skill set
I think kind of fits that. And he undoubtedly I'd
be surprised if he doesn't have NFL aspirations. If he
has NFL aspirations, he's gonna have to operate from the pocket.
And even if he didn't, if you just said, hey,
we don't care about the NFL, you still are going
to have to make plays in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I mean, you go.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Against particularly the better defenses with team speed and they're
gonna they're gonna hunt you down. You have to present
a passing threat, period. And he knows that. And and
then there's times where, you know, for for a guy
with that type of athleticism, when he says, okay, abort
the play, I'm in scramble mode.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Some I referenced Tom Brady earlier.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Tom Brady never had had any impulse in his life,
even going back to high school. Did everything well, my
legs are getting get me out of this trouble. It's
only my mind. My mind is going to avoid the sacks.
That's why he was number one in in the NFL
lowest sack rate for two straight years as a forty
five year old. Now, Demon Williams has two tools in
his toolbox. He has his mind and he has his legs,
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and so he has to use the discretion of Okay,
here's the time where I use my mind. I know,
I have a rap concept, there's a hinge, there's immediate presser.
It's just you know, it's just a guy's four yards.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
In front of me.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But he might break attack and we might get seven
yards on that, but at least we don't take a sack.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So he's got to know where.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
All of his his his outlets are and and he's
and he can't just constantly have the impulse like I'm
gonna I'm gonna try and shake my way out of
this thing again. History has shown that guys who do
the athletic quarterbacks take more secks. That is undebatable, undebatable
that history in this era, in former eras, I've got
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a twelve point power point on this. If you don't
believe me. I'll email the damn thing just right. Okay,
So just accept that conclusion. Now, how do you how
do you manage just to get the best out of
demand Williams.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, you use him and read zone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You use him in quarterback draws out of empty if
they give you a light block, you use all of
his athleticism. I'm not saying table that. Hell no, don't
table that. But you coach him up. You still have
got to grind hard on the details. You can't throw
double slant at him and have everybody stacked up so
that his read, which is the number two defender the overhang,
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you read inside out.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And then all of a sudden he has no place
to go with the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So be better on the perimeter and also know where
you're where your outlets are. When Demon Wims, I'll close
with this, When Demon Wims had all that time against
Penn State, Drew Aller had thirty one dropbacks. He had
exactly one time where there was a free runner where
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nobody was blocked, and he knew exactly where the hot receiver.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He threw it over the middle.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Everybody was on page and the Penn State got a
nice short completion to forty four. That that beautiful tight
end right, thirty one dropbacks, no free runners, without a plan.
J Mont Williams had seventeen dropbacks, eight free runners, no plan.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Completely coming loose running around.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
That is, if your blitz plan is we've got an
athletic quarterback, let him just wiggle his way out of it,
that is a losing proposition.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You'll be lucky to be back at six and six
in another bowl again.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And so they've got to be better on the nuance
part of the pass offense. That includes protection, and everybody's
got to play a part of it, including the quarterback
freshman or not.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All Right, our parameters that we established and will once
again reiterate them, zero being like the worst possible thing
that a big ten quarterback could perform in a one
hundred like the most perfectly pitched game a big ten
quarterback would pitch against another big ten team. Where was
Demond Williams between zero and one hundred for the pair
(18:59):
of around the sound golf passes.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Here, Well, I don't like being down with five minutes
to go, exactly five minutes to go in the game.
I don't like being down to your rival forty nine
to fourteen, and I don't like that. At that time,
your quarterback has one hundred and forty two passing yards
and you got ten sacks. So there's a lot of
things not to like about it. But there was there
(19:22):
were some runs in there. He had a his fade
away to oh god, who's number six again? The transfer
high Hunter? Yeah, third and eleven to Hunter he pulled.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's one of that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That is a play that Pat Mahomes would be out
of beautiful. Oh do you remember that? And he he
navigated and got completions. On the very next pass, he
navigated to his left to a moving target to his right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There was a lot of cool stuff there. You asked me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
My answer, I'll just give you this if fifty is
dead median or just my opinion. And this was your idea,
by the way, to get him a grade. I was
going to talk about sacks, and then you said, well,
I want to tie into an I want to grade him.
So this this has morphed and evolved into something that
(20:11):
I didn't have a vision on. But I'm playing the
game and I'm gonna say I will give him a
fifty one.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Oh wow, that's actually higher fifty one. Okay, fifty one.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's actually higher than I thought I was.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Going to write down. And I probably am against advice.
I'm probably still wiggling in the freshman factor. I probably
in my consciously solible humanity. I just probably can't get
exclude that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Intellectually. I'm trying to, I think viscerally I cannot.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
All right, we'll find a winner during the break. We'll
come back right after this. Dick Fane a softy and
Dick without the soft one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Hugh was here. He was here for about twenty more minutes.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Because then we're gonna hear from Wayne le Revi our
conversation with the Packer play by play man that we
had a couple of days ago, and Chuck Powell gonna
join us at six o'clock, and we're gonna hear Mike
Holmgren and Chris Collinsworth in the six o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So a lot to get to our final segment with
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But we just gave away or we're about to give
away a pair of those Around the Sound Golf passes.
Hugh Breed Love Mellon just gave us a grade of
fifty for Demon Williams and his performance against Oregon and Jackson.
Give us the rundown of what you found on the
text line. Over the last couple three hours.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Five total people texted in the number fifty one. One
person actually texted in fifty one point three. But the
first among them and the winner of the pair of
roundissan golf passes, is our friend Michael Kinney from Bellevue,
who says, I was in hum Millon's brain and that's
how apparently he knew fifty one.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He was it was? And when did he and when
did he text that?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Because you said the first one that the rules of
the road was if there's a tie, it's the first
text that comes in that nails it.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
When did he text in It was almost at the
start of the show, right when we first announced it.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I have to look back for these exactly three six,
three oh seven.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, exactly right around that, even three oh seven, but
it was right around the start. He was one of
the first fifty that came in, or so of the
I don't even know how many. It doesn't even count
this far on my text left. That's a good price,
that's a good prize.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think, guys, fifty one Jackson, you didn't watch the.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Game was higher than you thought. It was higher than
I thought you were going to give him.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So you know, if I gave him a grade for
pocket navigate because it wasn't just missing guy, it was
when he chose to run sometimes premature.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But I didn't I didn't like the direction.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I didn't think he showed great instincts always about where
the opening would be. You use the term just offhanded.
You said, ran into sacks, and I agree that he
had a few of those where it's wait, there's there's
an opening over there. So that's something at least for
me as an analyst that I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But Jackson, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah, I feel like that's about right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You have to really it fell a little.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I was talking about this in the Break with Hugh
Russell Wilson in the sense of like, you don't got
to take that sack. But I mean at the same
point the kids making his first art on the road
against the number one team in America, he didn't throw
a pick, you know, like at the end of the day,
I think it's it's about I would have a little
higher than fifty one, just because of all of the
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stakes involved with this. So we didn't have those. But
that's the thing, exactly, we didn't have those. That's the thing.
Because we aren't including those parameters, it does seem fifty
one as far.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh yeah, if we included all those parameters at or
again first start ever, I mean I'm probably in the sixties,
you know, out of a zero to one hundred scale.
I think I think you nailed it. I think it
was very very good.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Now, remember now, the fifty nine yards on the last drive,
including the touchdown, that was all against backups and the
score was forty nine to fourteen, so if his two
hundred one yards passing, you know again fifty nine, So
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
If you're at.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Forty nine to fourteen with under five minutes to go
and you and you only have one hundred and forty
two yards pass, that's hard to give the quarterback a
lot flowers.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Of course, unless he's a freshman. He's a freshman, and
you know what, he didn't throw three pick six.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He didn't know, he didn't have the he didn't have
a geno against the Rams game, I mean where.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He throws destructive balls.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So earlier in the show, in our in Our in
our fun with audio, we talked about an altercation between
Jets Great Mark Gastno and Brett Farv that was just unearthed,
but we didn't play the audio. We played instead we
played Boomera size and blasting Mark Gasto. But we found
(25:35):
the audio and we wanted to play that for you
since we talked about it earlier day. This is at
a card show last year, but the audio and the
video was unearthed this week. That's why it's topical now
of Mark gas going after like coming up to Brett
Farrv at a card show and unsoliciting, just kind of
unsolicitly just kind of undressing him for for a play
(25:57):
back in two thousand and one where Brett Farv kind
of just rolled at the feet of Michael strahand to
give straight hand Jackson's sack record.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't know it yet, Sorry to interrupt, you, dick.
Keep in mind when he when Farv came up to him,
he had his arm out stretched like to shake his hand,
that's right, and Gasto did not shake his hand, And
at that point you could see Farv kind of slowly
put his own out, like, oh, okay, this is a
little different encounter than I expected. Sorry to interrupt, but
here's a good dick there. Now that's good context. And
(26:25):
here's what it sounded like, how you do it when
you fell down for him.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I'm going to get my sack bag. I'm going to
get my sack bag. Dude, you probably would hurt me. Well,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You hurt me. You hurt me.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You heard me, Yeah, I hear you really hurt me.
You hurt me, Brett. We got to get back to this, Brad.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Wow, I mean twenty two years later, the guy is
still like literally emotional almost in tears confronting Brett Farv
on Yes, obviously, I mean it just it was really
uncomfortable to watch. I mean as uncomfortable as it was
for you to listen to is really look it up
on YouTube, very very uncomfortable to watch, and like, I
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can't even imagine how I mean, Brett Farv reacted, I
guess as civilly as as he possibly could. There Have
you ever had a situation you were like, you could
either affect a record, either as Brett Favre affecting the
record by giving it to someone else, or you're being
Mark Gasto and you had a record that got broken
in some like goofy way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, there's so many differences, too many to mention. In
the case of Gasino, he wants to get in the
Hall of Fame, and he thinks that if he still
had the record, he'd get in the Hall of Fame,
which is I'm as close to the Hall of Fame
as you and Jackson are, so the stating the obvious.
But I did have a situation actually was thirty years
ago this year where I had I had tied the
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AFC record for consecutive completions at twenty I didn't know
it because it was over two games. It was Raiders,
and then and then we're playing the forty nine ers
who the Super Bowl, who end up being the Super
Bowl champions, Dean and everybody. So at this juncture there's
a drop in fact, even on the play by play,
a wide receiver named Derrick Russell. On the play by play,
(28:18):
it says, thrown out there, dropped and I mean, I
couldn't have thrown it in a bit. And then and
then there's I think five or six completions after that.
I didn't know all this while when it was going on,
I kind of knew, Okay, I haven't at least I
haven't thrown a lot. I haven't crapped the bed like
I usually did. You know, right, you know, aren't I
due for an interception? But uh had he caught it
(28:43):
that it would have broke Montana's all time record.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
It was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It was tied the AFC record for how much it
was in a row. I think twenty five. I think
at twenty it was twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I don't know, but you know, it would have been
like your jersey's going to Canton, blah blah blah, and
and it's still the.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Record today is still twenty five, Like, can you imagine that?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Hell, it would be It would have been the most
the most absurd thing, well sloppy me to have it right,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Not saying I deserve it, but just to think about it,
it'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, yeah, we've been introducing you every day when we
bring you on as NFC record holder, hum millin no NFL, NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, that's what I'm saying. It was because it was
the AFC record. It was the AFC record.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But but but there was a chance you take that
if that drop was a catch, it would it would
have been an NFL totally inadvertently. But and again I know,
damn where I I don't deserve that, But it still
would be kind of cool. It would we agree on that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It would be kind of kind to break Joe Montada's record.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Hugh.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
On that note, great stuff. We're gonna let you off
early on a Friday night. Go have you go, have
a nice dinner with your with your beautiful bride, and
we will talky on Monday.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We'll talk to you Sunday night. Sunday night. Let's let's
be talking about a win over Green Day, joyful man
ring the bill, good.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Vibes, love it, thanks you, that's you breathe lovement. Here's
what we're gonna do between now and seven o'clock. We
got a lot of great stuff with This was a
very unusual show for Softian Dick this week. We actually
had really good shows. Right, We had really good guests,
So we want to replace some of those for you,
and we're gonna have a live interview with Chuck Powell
at six o'clock. So coming up next, Wayne Larvie, our
conversation with the Green Bay Packer play by play man
(30:31):
coming up in the next segment, three.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Receivers, Right, here's the snap till Wilson extends the play
backpedals to the forty looking still waiting yet does he
let's go the enzone.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
For jump ball? And is it cut in the end zone?
O you God'll be here. They got a look at it,
guilt there.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
It was caught simultaneously the officials motion touchdown golden takee.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
MD Jennings was there, so was Sam Shields. How can
they take that away? Twelve years ago?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Dude?
Speaker 9 (31:10):
That fail Mary twelve years ago and joining us right
now on the radio show the voice of the Packers
who was on that call twelve years ago at Loominfield
back then Century Link, Wayne la Revie with us on
the ear, Wayne, how are you man?
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Good? That was nothing compared to the NFC Championship game
two years later?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
My goodness. Well, you know what, It's funny.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
We actually we had this conversation off the air and
I told my producer, Jackson Feltz, I said, look, the
guy's agreeing to come on, don't play anything from that
NFC Championship game, pail Mary. We can at least debate
it whatever.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
You guys got screwed, by the way.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
I can admit that now twelve years later, But honestly,
how much do games like that? The NFC Championship today
still kind of bother Packer Nation and get talked about.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
You know, it's amazing. You know, the success is the
Super Bowls are one thing, but those losses like fourth
and twenty six at Philadelphia, you know, the tail Mary
in Seattle, the the NFC Championship game in twenty fourteen,
those are the things that just resonate like they happened yesterday,
(32:25):
you know, And I think it's kind of the cursive
of the way we all are in sports.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, another way the Packers kind of mirror the Seahawks
is you have a former quarterback that's still playing and
as having various levels of success. We were adamantly rooting
against Russell Wilson when he was in Denver because we
had their draft picks. We wanted him to lose, and
now we're like, hey, this is kind of cool to
see him do well. Are Packer fans kind of liking
what's going on with the Jets and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I don't know if they're celebrating it. There's been enough time,
you know, from his departure too now, and Jordan Love
is kind of the focus of attention in Packerland, and
so I wouldn't say people are necessarily overjoyed that, you know,
Aaron has struggled, and Davante as well, and before that
(33:16):
Randall Cobb with the Jets. I just I don't feel
that way, I know personally, and I don't think fans
necessarily are too concerned about it either. Nobody seems to
talk about it whole lot.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
Wayne Larvie again the voice of the Packers, and by
the way, just for the record. You mentioned that game
in twenty fourteen and how much that still sticks with you,
the losses, and I agree with you, but just don't
forget two weeks later we went to Arizona and got
picked off at the one yard Life.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Okay, so yeah, we we know, you know, we know,
and I.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Mean that that would have been two in a row
for you guys. And you know here's another one. Now,
this is before I got the Green Bay. But the
Packers won the super Bowl, super Bowl thirty one, I
believe was Super Bowl thirty two, like sixteen point favorites
over John Elway and the Denver Broncos and they lose
to the Broncos in Elway's first Super Bowl championship. I mean,
(34:08):
you know, that's the one that for that era of
fans and players sticks with them more than the Super
Bowl they won.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Yeah, well, Wayne, this Packer team, I know a lot
of people loved him.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
A year ago.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Greg Rosenthal picked them as kind of a dark horse,
and they came pretty close, almost knocked off the Niners obviously,
and now they're a you know, a nine to four
football team that in any other division would be challenging
for probably the division Championship. How good is this team
that we're going to see on Sunday night.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Honestly, you know, they're evolving and I think they're they're
getting better. And they played Detroit tooth and nail in
a you know, heavyweight fight, and you know, came up
on the short side. I'm curious to see. You know,
some games take more than a week to get over,
and fortunately they've had more than a week or will
have had more than a week to get over that
(34:57):
game physically and emotionally. And believe me, those two factors
are huge in determining how well you play on a
given Sunday in the NFL. So you know, I'm hoping
that they'll they'll be able to come forth and play
the way they did against Miami in this game against Seattle.
But Seattle is a much better team than Miami, and
you know, this is a big measuring stick for both.
(35:18):
I think the Seahawks and the Packers or in very
much the same position, except the Seattle, with their eight
and five record, leads their division.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Wayne The numbers indicate that Jordan Love's got the exact
same passer rating this year as last year. He's got
nearly identical QBR this year as last year. But what
do your eyes tell you? What's how is Jordan Loved
different and is he better in year two than he
was in year one?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Not been as explosive yet, but it's getting there, starting
to warm to the task, so to speak. You know,
he struggled with injury this season. He struggled with a
couple of injuries, and then you know, it was just
kind of the stop and go. He misses two games,
comes back, plays a game and a half, is still
bothered by an injury. They get a bye week, he
comes back, he's healthy, And that's the thing that I
(36:05):
think now we're starting to see Jordan Love play the
way he did at the end of last year. Is
he as explosive as that run last year? I mean
he had eighteen touchdown passes in one interception of the
last eight games last year. I don't think he's at
that level right now, but he's getting there. And he's
still probably a little smarter quarterback now based on his experience.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Hey, Wayne, you've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I'm still trying to figure out how a guy could
be the voice of the Bears one year and the
voice of the Packers the next year. That's like being
the voice of South Korea, North Korea. That doesn't make
any sense to me. But you've been all over the place,
You've done it all. We've heard you do tournament games
obviously as well. But I'm curious to get your thoughts
from a couple thousand miles away on the quarterback that
(36:49):
the Seahawks will throw at your defense on Sunday. What's
the perception you think in packer landing around the NFL,
and maybe especially from your defens's perspective on Gino Smith.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, Gino Smith reclamation project, right, you know, he and
Sam Darnold, you know this is hey listen, in this
day and age now, you get drafted and maybe high
up in the first round, or as Gino did in
the second round, you get thrown into the fire, probably
before you're ready. You have to fail, move on somewhere else,
learn another way, and then come back and find the
(37:23):
right system and the right coaching staff that believes in you,
that gives you a shot. And that's what Gino Smith's
all about. I'm really impressed with him. I'm pressed with
his ability to He's a pocket passer, but a guy
who can certainly take advantage of a defense with his
legs as well two hundred and twenty six yards rushing.
I mean, I think the guy's outstanding. He reminds me
(37:45):
a little bit. He's a little bit of a gun
slinger at the twelve interception second most behind Kirk Cousins.
I get that. But he's also a guy who can
win games for you. And you know, hey, listen, I
think people are happy that Gino Smith has you know,
found himself and found career for himself in Seattle, Wayne.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Usually when a team says so long to a veteran
running back, they usually replace him with a rookie or
a second year guy. And you guys decided to swap
out Aaron Jones and replace him with the veteran Josh Jacobs.
How has that worked out for you? Because when you
look at the numbers, I mean, what Aaron Jones is
doing is about the same as what Josh Jacobs is doing.
In Minnesota and Green Bay, Yeah, but you.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Know, the whole perception of the Packers, their whole persona
has changed with Josh Jacobs running the football. Green Bay
has always been, you know, a cutting edge West Coast offense,
with excellent talent wide receiver orchestrated by a Hall of
Fame quarterback. That's what they've been for the last thirty years. Now,
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this team is starting to take on a little different persona.
They're becoming more of a physical football team. And the
first it starts with Josh Jacobs. The way he runs
the football. It impacts everybody on that offense and the
way they play the game, and it even impacts the
deep in how they play the game now. And so
you know, this Green Bay team, I would say, is
more physical than the barb and Rodgers teams have passed.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Hey, Wayne le Revie again the voice of the Packers,
I know you got to take off and run here
in a second. I'm just curious about how many Packer
fans you think we're going to see infiltrate Loomenfield. You
see these guys every road game, and tickets to get
in at venue Kings are two thirty six right now.
By comparison, the Bears are playing the Vikings and the
next Vikings home game, guys, tickets are one hundred and sixty.
(39:29):
The next home game for Minnesota is against Green Bay
and they go to three hundred and fifty dollars. That's
the packing effect. How many Packer fans should we expect?
And do they still travel like MADDI.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Yeah, they do travel, and they travel well, you know,
like Pittsburgh and Dallas fans. The Packers are right there
with those teams, and there'll be a lot of them there.
I know they've got a pep rally in one of
the local establishments Saturday nights, so it should be a
lot of fun. It'll be a lot of fun in
that stadium. It's a great atmosphere, you know, the Pacific Northwest.
You can't beat it. It's just wonderful place. And you
(40:04):
guys are so lucky to live there.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, finally, Wayne, speaking of Packer fans, how do they
view the Lions right now? Because the Lions have always
been your little brother. I mean they've been in your
little brother for fifty plus years, and yet you know
they are now dominating the division, but they still haven't
beaten the Packers in the playoffs, and they still haven't
done anything really in the playoffs, and you still view
(40:26):
them as the little brother, not you, but Packer fans.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
Yeah, no, I don't think so. I think the Packers
fans are viewing it now. Is the Lions' rivalry is
cranked up to a level we haven't seen and maybe
since the fifties, but no, this is it's becoming a
great rivalry. And the Lions, this is their year, guys,
This is their last year with San Francisco's year to
win and they didn't quite get it done. This is
Detroit's year, despite all their injuries and everything else, it's
(40:51):
their year. And if they don't get it done. I've
told many friends with the Lions. My former boss is
working with the Lions now. I told them, hey, listen,
you guys don't win it all this year, take a
look at what San Francisco is, because that's probably what
you're going to be next year if you miss this opportunity.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
All right, before you go, you got a call coming
and I know that. Give us thirty seconds. We do
a show every Thursday with a guy named Mike Holmgren
who sits down with us for an hour every Thursday.
Oh wow, he's a finalist for the Hall of Fame.
Give us your thoughts on Mike's candidacy for Canton Man.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
I got to tell you something. There is no one
who deserves it more what he did along with Ron
Wolf at the hiring of Bob Harland and Green Bay.
They took a historic franchise that was totally dormant and
in the age of pro football, the modern age of
Pro football, no one thought they would ever be able
to win again. Bob Harlan didn't was wondered if they'd
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ever be able to win again. Those guys turned it around.
Those guys were at the focal point of one of
the greatest turnarounds in the history of the National Football League.
And Mike Homlan was right in the middle of it.
If you think he was only a one rick pony
going to Green Bay, he went to Seattle and they
built a Super Bowl team there. So now he's well,
he deserves it. Gosh, that's great. Tell him we all
(42:09):
wish him the best, and they're hoping to see him
in Canton next summer.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
No, we will for sure, all right, Wayne, great stuff,
appreciate this and we'll talk down the rud buddy, Thank you,
thank you.
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