January 2, 2025 • 37 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain sit down with Mike Holmgren for the hour and talk about Shaun Alexander’s 2005 record, the Seahawks offense in 2024 and year overall, Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, the Niners, and Bears’ coaching situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wait here that look clipped there from our buddy here
we mailing ourselves as a freaking prick.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Wonder what he says about you behind your back? Oh
you ever get nervous about that?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
And no, no, you and I are buddies. But I'm
a little surprised that well it's it surprised.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Me, Yeah, he said, yeah, is he accurate? Bob Bill?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh? Dylan, I Dylan, I actually actually actually we've gotten
along very well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
With you, yes, honest, yes, yes, yeah, Well who doesn't
get along with you?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Honestly? I mean besides Les Carpenter.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Who doesn't go with you coloring coward?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh you don't like coward?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No really?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Why not my last year? You know, my last year
of the Seahowks. Yeah, someone told me that it was
a broadcaster saying that I had given up. I don't
even go to practice.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I remember that. Yeah, remember him? It was him and
that boy.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh jeez, so so not that I hold of grudge.
It was only twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, I'm with you, man, I love it. Well, Mike
con friends were with us. Great to see you. I
haven't seen you since last year. I know that's how
long it's been. How was your New Year's Eve? You
stay up and party on that lawn?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, we went up to Emily's on Camino Island and
had a really nice time with their family on New
Year's Eve, and the kids all came over for Christmas.
I mean it's been a nice stretch. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Very cooler.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Well, coach, where you now get to a game where
we're not used to being as Seahawks fans, a game
where it just does not matter?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So how do you go?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You didn't coach in a lot of those games, but
you did happen in your last year you had a
few of those games.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
How do you approach him and how do.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
You try to get your team to play as hard
as they would in a normal situation where they're still
playing for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, Dick, I don't think as a coach, I
don't think you changed much at all. I really don't. Now,
having said that, you said, my last year there, and
we only won four games, but we won won the
snowball game against the Jets, and the Jets had a
lot to play for, And then I couldn't I've told
you this before. I couldn't be more proud of the guys.
How they finished the season. We lost some close games
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and we didn't have any players, really no receiver. They
battled that crazy. Compare that with early maybe the third year,
we played Buffalo in a game at Husky Stadium. Whenever
we played a Husky Stadium and the players I approached
it the same way, but the player sure didn't. They
packed it in and Cortes Kennedy, bless his heart, came
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to me afterwards a couple of years later after he'd retired,
and apologized to me for that, for that that instance,
because here's a great player and they just I couldn't
reach them. But I don't I don't think coaches changed
that much. And I listened to Mike McDonald. He seems so.
When he answers questions, it's like you're dealing with a scholar,
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you know. I mean, there's not a lot of emotion,
but he's very articulate, right, and he's always going to
do things a certain way.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think, yeah, well, we'll find out on Sunday. I mean, obviously,
as Dick said, a very unfamiliar position. But for Geno Smith,
you know, he's got some incentives that he could reach
I think kind of rather easily.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
If I'm not mistaken. It's between like four and six.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's a lot of money, right, I don't care what
you're making, that's a lot of money. Would that be
something that you would want to help Geno Smith accomplish
on Sunday against the rams? And is it something that
the owner would also say, Hey, I know it's my money.
I'm the one paying the guy. Go out and get
the incentives for him, and let's write the guy at check.
Or would some owners say, hey, save me some casher.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Man, let's take some owners. There are some owners say
saved me some cash, but the majority of them would
probably stay out of it, right, would probably stay out
of it. And then, but to answer your first question, Dave, yeah,
I would if he had that chance, and I knew
about it. You know, I didn't remember with Seawn alexanderdy
in some yards to get two thousand or something, and
I didn't even know. I don't pay attention to that
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kind of stuff necessarily, and shame on me. And I
apologized him for that. But you know, he you I
think I'd help him. I talk to him, and there
is incentive there. You know. My last my last one
of my last years in Green Bay, we played Pittsburgh
Cower in the in the in the last game in
green in Green Bay during the season, and I had
a bonus in my contract. I had a bonus in
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my contract if we won the division or won eleven
games or stuff like that. So we were gonna lose.
They went down there, threw a touchdown pass, the guy
dropped the ball and we won. We dropped the right
hands and we won. I went over and calor and
goes we shake hands with friends, and I was he
didn't know why I was so excited. I was so
excited because I got this huge bonus because of that
one play. So you know, it's no Chris. Players make
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morning money now. So I don't know exactly how they
were at to things like that, but i'd help him.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, you mentioned that, uh, the Shawn Alexander thing. Matt
actually brought that up this week on your favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Show, A right Coward.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Oh really yeah, because Matt's a weekly gues So obviously
Matt does not hold the same kind of grudge for Coward.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You should the show.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Does he there on a weekly basis? Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yes, And he and he talked about what I don't
know if we have the audio, but he he talked
about how he thought it was really cool that you
brought up in the locker room before that game, the
last game of the season where Sean needed the record
breaking touchdown, that you said we're getting this for Sean
want number one and that this is a team record
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that Seawan is getting, not just a record for Sean.
And he said that really resonated with maybe talk a
little bit about that that conversation you had with the
team and why it was so important to you for
him to get.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
It and for you to tell the team that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, I just think, you know, he he was a
very very important player for us and likable. I mean,
I liked him. I get mad at him sometimes, like
I did with most of them, but I liked him. Now.
You know, did Matt say who scored the touchdown instead
of Sean? Matt did? He was a quarterback sneak? We
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needed six inches or something? Yeah, yeah, or I forget
how much. But honestly, do this, Dick. I didn't. It
didn't register when I was calling to play. I just
wanted to score the touchdown. You know, we wanted to win,
you know, so I did. That was my bad. Yeah,
And I told Sean after the game, I said, hey, man,
I'm sorry. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, well, maybe Max should have paid him.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Then, yeah, right, yeah, giving him a little extra money
for taking his record, for God's sakes. But you know,
look this, this offense obviously has been struggling for a
while with the Seahawks, and I'm just wondering, Number one,
do you think it is appropriate for them to move
on from Ryan Grubb after one year on the job.
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A lot of coordinators come in if Yeah, I think
was Jeremy Bates here.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
For a year?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think he's here for a year and then we've.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Gone through a ton of night in the last seven Yeah,
this would be their third and six years, fourth and
six years. Sorry, if they move on from Ryan Grubb.
They've gone from twenty fifth excuse me, twenty first in
the NFL and yards to fourteenth. But they've gone from
seventeenth to nineteenth. Obviously they've made some strides, but they
obviously haven't had the year that we thought or hoped
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they would have. Is it appropriate for them to move
on from him after a year? And does does Mike
McDonald strike you as the kind of guy that would
make that move that quick?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know? And I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, one thing I didn't. I thought, I bring a
guy in and his family in and if he's struggling
just a little bit, it's that's on me. I'm coaching
the players and I'm coaching my coaches too, so and
that's unfair. Now, if we can't correct it in a
little while, then you make the change. I just I
didn't fire my staff very much, so coach other coaches did.
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I mentioned Bill Kawer every year. One of those guys
in the staff. It just happened. But I wouldn't do that.
First of all, Mike McDonald he hired it was important
to him to hire a staff that he wasn't really
connected to. Where when I brought my staff, I knew
there was a lot of guys when we came up here.
They'd worked with me a long time, and I knew him.
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You know, you look at Andy Reid's staff in Kansas City.
I think there is some value there. There's some real
value in knowing your staff. Right now, Ryan Grubb, he
did marvelous things at University Washington, so I know he
can do it now. So now what happened? Where can
we improve? Just like a player? So I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
David, how do you help out a bad offensive line
as a play caller? I honestly feel like the offensive
line has been scapegoaded too much. I think I don't
think they're as horrible as some people think they are.
I don't think there could by any stretch of the imagination.
But I'll see Gino getting swarmed under seven times a game.
I see him holding onto the ball for three, four
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or five seconds to get the sack. So how do
you help your offensive line if you know you have
a subpar offensive line, so you can still a run
the ball and be overall move the ball with balance.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think the offensive line, excuse me being critically the
offensive line, they deserve some criticism. Okay, particularly in the
running game, that's the first thing. But having said that,
if that's what you have, then instead of dropping back
all the time, and Gino's a drop back passer, but
he's a play action pass sprint outs, change the pocket
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where the quarterback is in the pocket, and keep the
defense screen passes, the draw play. Even though you guys
didn't like that, but do that kind of stuff. They
keep the defense a little off balance. That can help
your offensive line.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Have you seen enough of that?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No? Yeah, I really haven't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
By the way, the draw was fine, just not on
third and twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, or were you just giving up? Honestly?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Were you saying, you know what, it's third and twenty,
let's just pop the ball something safe?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He'll be honest with us.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
On my card, I had to shot down. This is
a twenty one yard time to Max Strong.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. Well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Look, I mean, obviously there's gonna be changes over the offseason,
There's no question about that. But this is a coach
in Mike McDonald, and maybe it's Schneider. I don't know
who's already shown Hey, when things aren't going the right way,
we're getting rid of people. They fired two linebackers during
the course of the year when I got Ernest Jones
and Tyree's Knight. Is it possible they take that same
approach with their coaching staff as well, or they look
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at those two things differently.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's always possible, you know. I don't know Mike well
enough yet. Yeah, we will learn something if if if
no changes are made, Okay, that's going to set the
tone for how he deals with things, I think, and
I would be surprised though, I really would be surprised
if there's any dramatic changes in the coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Right, do you use this last game since it doesn't
mean anything, as an opportunity to get guys in the
game that you think, Hey, this guy may help down
the road, but he's not super in their depth right now?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Absolutely, you know the game is the Rams aren't gonna play.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Sabath they're gonna play, right, You're sitting now, ye, and.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You want your you're trying to win the game. But
there are guys who are close. I think maybe they're
second team, but they're close. Maybe. Now let's let's see
what he can do. Let's let's see what he can do.
So maybe he doesn't play the whole game, yeah, but
you get him in there to play some use the game.
He wants to win the game. Listen, ten ten wins
in the season is better than nine wins.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Stating the obvious, but uh, they're gonna go all out
to win the football game. But it is an opportunity
to look at some people that haven't had much of
a chance to play.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, you won nine your first year but only played sixteen.
This guy's got a chance to win ten over a
seventeen game season. Obviously, Chuck Knox won nine his first
year but only played sixteen. So you know, I mean, look,
obviously he's got a chance to win more games in
year one than any other Seahawk head coach. The difference
is both you guys made the playoffs in eighty three
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and then obviously in ninety nine, So does that do
anything for you?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Ten wins in year one, but you missed the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
No, I mean well because the number. I mean, getting
the playoffs is everything, right, I mean that's everything right.
So yeah, it'll look good. The double dig just always
look a little bit better than this single. But getting
the playoffs was the goal. Then the super Bowl is
a goal. But not getting I'm sure they were very disappointed.
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I'm sure they're very disappointed they're not in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Have you ever had a season where you can look
back at one game where you were prohibitive favorites and
you blew that game and that cost you the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Because that's what we're sitting here. I mean, we are sitting.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Here looking back at the Giants game saying that's the
reason that we're not playing.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
For the NFC West Championship this week.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
That Giants game when you were a touchdown favorite at
home and the Giants were going nowhere and they have
proven to be going nowhere all season long.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well, I go back to that year we did make
the playoffs and we lost to the Jets New Year's
Day and we should have won the game. We were
better than they were. Their quarterback TESTI Verdy wasn't playing.
You know, we didn't play well. Uh, and then we
went in the locker room and and we we got
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in the playoffs. You know, we got in the playoffs.
Someone else beat somebody. Yeah, and so that was That
was a game that I was very disappointed the other
seasons when we didn't have good seasons. We weren't even
close to the playoffs. There was a couple of times,
you know, win six games, but then we were getting
better at the end, and then we started our playoff
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run the next season. But it's a disappointing thing. That's
what you shoot for. I would only say this in
your first year, when you're still figuring things out, you're
learning your staff, you're learning first first time head coach,
things like that. Yep, you know it's hard. We played
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my first year in Green Bay. We played Minnesota for
the for the playoff last game to see yeah, and
the A beat us in Minnesota. Although we exceeded expectation
that first year, it still was so hard.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Oh boy, Well, Mike Comran's with us, and I'm looking
at Tyler Lockett's numbers this year.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
First of all, he's thirty two years old.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He had seventy targets, which was his fewest since twenty eighteen,
which was his fourth year in the NFL. He's got
a thirty nearly thirty one million dollars cap hit for
next season, which certainly that's.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not gonna happen, right, either A they restructure it or
B they move on.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
If you've got to make hard decisions with the roster,
which you do every year, right, is Tyler Lockett a
guy that you could honestly see not being on this
football team next year?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yes, and and and I say that with a with
a heavy heart. I love that. And he has been
so good for so many years. But you watch now,
it's it's clear who they're throwing the ball to. Everyone.
They'll catch one, but then he goes down. He doesn't
run much after the catching. And he's played a long
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time for a receiver. I mean, he's got all sorts
of numbers. He's got he's close to the largest numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He's number two pretty much across the board and everything and.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So and so I don't know if they I don't
know if it will happen, but I could see it happening.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes, you have to make some decisions because there's a
couple of guys in GENO and DK that have one
year left on their contract. And you know how that
you've been a GM, you know the you know when
the agent starts knocking on your door, sure right, which
will be now.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Sure as soon as the season's over.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So how do you handle those conversations with those two
guys specifically?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Well, A lot of times you can't. Of course, I've
told you. They didn't let me be in the room
after I get mad and blow up at the agent.
So they I was, They go, Mike, I don't think
you should be he here really so but you know
you I own he's looked at it. These are the
guys I want on my team. Okay, now, how do
we do it financially? Not the other way around? And
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so and then I'd get hard on my financial guys
to let's make this work. How do we make this work?
I did the same thing when when Hutchinson left, I said, let's.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Pay him, Yeah, pay him right?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Oh, well, you can't pay guards that much, what you know, So,
but it is something you have to think about. Look
at the forty nine ers, I'll use them as an example.
They're paying about five guys a lot, and so they're
gonna have to do some really dramatic things themselves. You know,
it happens with every team.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, Gino Smith has a thirty eight point five million
dollar cap hit for next year, which, again, for you know,
a decent starting quarterback in the NFL, is not crazy.
It's almost kind of undermarket for middle of the road
in the NFL, so it's not nuts. But you know, again,
he's gonna want a new deal, right Maybe he holds
out for a new deal. Maybe the Seahawks extend him
for a year or so and give him an extra season.
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I know, Hughes said on the air of the other day,
just leave it alone. Just haven't played his deal out.
He's not going to extend him right now. Just play
the one year and just see what happens. There's two
sides of it. If you were Geno's agent, or even
Geno's dad, for God's sakes, I guess how hard would
you be pushing for a brand new contract And if
you don't get one, would you be willing to play
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on the one year deal for next year?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
If you're Geno Smith, I think in visiting with him
and talking with him just a little bit, the player,
right right. I think he'll however it comes out, He's
not going to sit out.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He's not gonna hold out.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
No, Okay, No, I think he's going to be there. Now.
How they wind up doing it is it? Is it
one more year? Anyway they decide to do it, if
they want to extend him one more year. But I
don't think you're going to get one of those massive,
big three or four year.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Deals, right, I really do.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Right. And he's been in the league long enough now
understands the league, but likes it here, has shown he
can play here, was given his chance here, and I
think he respects that. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, he's made more money in the last couple of
years than he probably ever thought he'd make. But do
you give a damn if your quarterback is unhappy? I mean, yeah,
so he's here, he's playing, but he's pissed off. Isn't
a brand new contract. But is that something that would
even remotely concern you if you were a head coach
or a general manager.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think would probably affect his play a
little bit. But I'm not gonna let that happen. Yeah,
I'm not gonna let him be unhappy. Right, We're gonna
settle that one way or the other. Forget about the
money for a second. This is between you and me. Yeah,
you know, because he's the he's the guy you talk
to all the time, and I would tell him. Listen,
Joe Montana made a million dollars. Okay, you're making thirty
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eight million, right right? Are you really upset?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah? Well, coach, I gotta make fifty.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, well will you show me?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
No, We're gonna bring more. There's gonna be more guys
out there as well. Let's come back and talk about that. Also,
got to get your thoughts on did you happen to
see Oregon getting their ass kipt yesterday by Ohio State?
I really hope you did, because I wanted this guy
coming up. On ninety three three kJ r.
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Alright, boys and girls, we're back here at the five
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us in the five pm hour, Seahawks and Rams on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
My interest level in this game is in the toilet.
I'll be totally honest with you. I mean, it just
feels like a preseason game.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know about you what you think, but I might.
I couldn't care less.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I honestly think I'll probably be on the golf course
and watch it Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, if the weather's nice, for sure.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No, zero Burger, no tell me on it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You gotta tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Why tell me why? Besides the fact that we do
this for a living, why should we.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Watch because you love this team? We love this team.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Really, I don't watch preseason games, though, coach, And it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To use that word because I I love the Seattle Seahawks. Yes,
I know, I have loved the Seattle Seahawks, you know,
forty eight, forty.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Nine years, however long they've been.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yes, I know, I don't particularly love the twenty twenty
four Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
They have not been a very likable team.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Bad fans will watch bad fan I'm just honest, Dan Wagon.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I didn't think the twenty I loved the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I didn't think the twenty twenty four Seattle Mariners very
level to watch either, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I think Zotha can agree with me on that.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know what, I'm gonna watch the whole game on
Sunday because you said that, you sold me on it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'm I'm gonna pay my face white and blue and red,
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, when I leave here today, when I leave here today,
you work on him. I will.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I will for you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Guess what, I'm not going to watch the game I
am gonna watch. I'm not. I'm not intrigued by anything.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I mean my well, anytime a team sits down their
best players because they don't have to play, then the
game is different. It is different exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well and then you know, look, that's the question.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like the Giants. So I think we mentioned this with
Sean Alexander. You're talking about the two thousand saque bark.
They're not gonna play in the game against the uh
the Giants open the Eagles of Jackson Plane.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sorry, So there's some people that said, hey, for the fans,
two thousand yards breaking Dickerson's record, you owe it to
the fans to go out there and play that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you do you think about stuff?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Like that honestly, Or is it really we got to
stay healthy because we can win the whole freaking thing.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
No, you think about the fans, but no, not in
that situation. No, he's he's they're doing the right thing. Yeah,
because you know and but but the discussions took place,
I'm sure with him and with the ownerships. Their coach
said he's gonna talk the ownership general manager. They are
going to have this big meeting about whether they do
it or not. But if they were, you know the argument.
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You know, you're big on hypotheticals with me all the time.
If they were to play him and he got hurt,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Terrible, totally.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, And that leads me to my question about this
last Sunday. I'm support they gave him thirty plus carries, coach,
just so he could get to two thousand yards.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
So that was efuseing me. If you're not gonna let him.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Get the record, Okay, why did you let him have
thirty plus carries in a blowout game where he could
have blown out his knee in that game?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, good point. That's a good point. I mean, but
it's a decision. Uh, they just I've told you the
story many times when I phoned Steve Young and and
Brent Jones, not you gotta get you gotta beat this team. Yeah,
And then I looked at on TV, I watched the
game and they're undressed. They're not even dressed. I go,
thanks a lot, you know, But it's a it's a
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tough it's a tough call. But I would I would
go on the more conservative side.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeh, I wouldn't play well.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
My congrad's with us from the five Tony Bar and grill.
So JJ McCarthy, Uh, there's rumors and reports the Vikings
maybe looking.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
To move him.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
First of all, if you're Minnesota and you've got Sam
Darnold on a one year deal, would you keep McCarthy
just in case things didn't work out long term with
Sam Darnold, Or if you've seen enough from Sam to think,
all right, you know what, if we can get JJ
McCarthy out of here and recoup maybe a late first
or an early second round draft pick, let's do it.
What would your kind of mindset be if you're a
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Viking coach right now.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know every every team is looking for you have
your starter. Okay, he's the guy, but you're always looking
for who's the backup who might be able to play
in three years. That's who you're looking for. And I
took great pride in that, you know, the drafting guy
in the fifth round, sixth round, hassleback, Brunelle, somebody like that.
And then but we could hold on him because far
(23:29):
I've never never stopped playing. But you got to have
that guy who can go in and play and win
games for you. McCarthy, it would make sense to me
if they signed Arnold to a couple more years, depending
on how they can do that. McCarthy still is with them,
and maybe they do what the Packers do, you know?
They yeah, yeah, yeah, they all of a sudden, you
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got thirty years of quarterback play, you know, or twenty
you know, with the next guy taking over. The veteran
guy is mad, but it's it's at the end now
the young guy takes over. So no, I would, I
would say, But to your point, can they trade for
him or do that? I wouldn't give up a lot
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in the trade for him. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Why not.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I just think that, you know, history has shown you
can get quarterbacks out of college that no one thinks.
You know, the geniuses who picked these guys, you know,
the first round, first round, he's again he's an absolute
slam dunk. Well, history has shown us that's not true
all the time, and you can find guys that you
can Okay, in two years, I can really see him playing,
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you know, things like that. So that's that's the reason,
you know, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
We know John does not like the draft quarterbacks at least,
I mean history shows John does not like the draft quarterbacks.
So have we reached a point now where he has
to have a future plan by the end of this offseason?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think I think I think it's to me it's
a full court dress and in finding the young guy
who could possibly be the next guy Gino's you know
at an age now if he keeps playing the way
he's playing, you got a couple three years of playing.
But you got to get the next guy, you know,
and so and he's out there, he's out there.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
So drafted him like every year, right, didn't you draft
somebody almost every year?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, they're out there.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was that a packer thing or that drafting? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Drafting a quarterback every year like something that you kind
of picked up when you were out there or was
that a no.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I have something I like to do coach quarterbacks. I'm
sure they said, why is he picking that guy? Sure,
I'm sure, but I like to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I mean it's been said that this is not a
great quarterback class in the draft. But okay, I mean,
who's to say there's not a Russell Wilson at number seventy.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Five in the third round?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Who's the next Mayfield? Who's the next Sam Darnold? So
do you keep you ever keep a quarterback because well,
there's just nobody out there better? I mean, is that
a reason to keep a guy on the roster.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well, you got to have somebody who can play. And
if there's no one out there better, yeah, you got
to keep them on the road.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Well do you know can you tell by looking at
the draft? And I mean I assume that you can.
You think you can? Is there somebody out there better
that nobody's talking about? Maybe it's a Day two guy,
Maybe it's a Day three guy, like a Rock Party
for example. Yeah, maybe there's another backup that you want
to make a trade for.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Look at Rock Party. Absolutely there's there's someone that fits
into what your vision of the quarterback position is yeah,
and it might be completely different than a bunch of guys.
They might say, Okay, look at this, look at it.
If you look at Caleb Williams now physically unbelievable. But
in the pocket he got sacked. He th he it
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didn't work. Now he's a rookie, so I expect that
to change. But it's all in how you how you view,
how you view the guy, you know. I mean in Cleveland,
was not the coach, you know, RG three was in
the draft and our owner wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Him, yeah, badly, right, and.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
We were in that shootout with Washington for him, and
then finally it got too expense. I said, we're not
doing that. Boy. The owner was mad at me. Oh
was he mad at me? But I said, we're not.
We can't. Doesn't make any sense, you know. And so
you got as a coach or decision maker, or in
that case it wasn't the coach, but the decision maker.
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You got to make this call. If you just make
the call and you live with it, coach him up
and off you go.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
You mentioned pretty it seems like the Niners are just
they're in a sticky situation. They are because they've got
an old roster that they need to build up, and
yet they've got a quarterback that if you want to
keep him, you're going to have to pay him. Now,
maybe it's not going to be sixty anymore because he
didn't play that well in the second half of the season.
Maybe it's forty five. But it's still a lot of
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money that you have to pay him. So what I mean,
how do you handle that if you're the Niners.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I love what you just said there, Dick. Maybe it's
just forty just.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Forty which has been on the road now almost.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, you're born about forty years too early. You know that,
you think?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
So?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna say that forty years.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You're be sitting here talking to us. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
No, it's you're You're right. They're in a sticky situation.
And and then we've talked about it a little bit before.
They they've they've paid a handful of guys a lot,
and the rest of the guys are kind of young,
and they haven't paid them very much. But you've got
to figure that out. And at the quarterback position, you know,
he's played well enough that he deserves a race. Absolutely,
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he deserves a race, you know. But part of it
is that he's with the right coach and they've had
right guys around him. So how do you keep that going.
That's a sticky thing. That's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Mike Home, Grin's with us. You've got some connections to Chicago, right.
I want to ask you about the Bears situation coming up.
I want to ask you about Pete Carroll, and I
want to get your thoughts on Oregon getting the crap
kicked out of him by a state yesterday. That's next
with Mike from the five twenty Bar and Grill right
here on ninety three to three KJRF.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
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Bar and Grill in Bellevue, continue on your home for
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Speaker 3 (29:17):
All right, as they say, it is a final spoiler
alert for those that are recording the Notre Dame game.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
For some reason, I want to go home and watch
the Sugar Bowl tonight. What's your radio down?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It makes sense if you get home you on a
you know, maybe have some of the nice excuse you
can't help out the white.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You can't make dinner because there's a game.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I just told you spoiler alerts. In three, two and one,
Notre Dame is one. They knocked off Georgia twenty three
to ten. Riley Leonard, the quarterback for Notre Dame, fifteen
to twenty four ninety four yards passing, but ran for
eighty as well. Notre Dame wins the Sugar Bowl. They
move on to play Penn State in the Orange Bowl
on Thursday, Texas Ohio State, and the Cotton Bowl on Friday.
(29:57):
So one of those four teams will be your national
CA champion Texas, Ohio State, Indiana. Excuse me, Penn State
or a Notre Dame. I'm rooting for Ohio State because
they did humanity a service by knocking Oregon's ass out
yesterday in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Do you enjoy watching that as much as I did yesterday?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I turned it off after a while. I did. I couldn't.
I couldn't believe. I just didn't. I couldn't believe it
could be that lopsided, that one sided, right with a
team that had been undefeated. I just didn't get it.
I go how does that Ohio State just did whatever
they wanted. No and mistakes, Holy Toledo, I know so.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I like to see a competitive I like to see
good football, and that unfortunately for if you're an Oregon fan,
that wasn't your day.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Well there's been a lot of bumps in the road
with this college football playoff bracket. I mean when you're
giving teams like Boise State buys and you know, Oregon's
got a tougher road as the one seed and then
Penn State had at the five seed. I mean, things
got to change, don't they like right away, Like you
can't let this continue.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
No, they have to change too many things. Like what
you just said, Dick, and you listen to you to
everyone's saying the same thing. Yeah that you know, it's
how they set it up. It will change now exactly.
You know, probably could if they just buck to new Heiseel.
He's coming on the show, right, Yeah, yeah, he probably
has some good ideas and how to change.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We'll ask him. I thought yesterday was perfect though.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I love watching Org and get their ass kicks. They
would have made and they would have played if they
just went with the top twelve teams. The eight nine
game would have been Indiana Boise State. So Oregon would
have gotten the winner of that game, and then they
would have faced I believe it would have been Clemson
or Penn State in the next round.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You know what, they could have gotten destroyed by them too.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But you know, you know what, I really appreciate it. Well,
what's that that I should really counsel you on? Speak
your mind?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah, just be hon ye holds out your feelings.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, one day I'm making a deal. When you start
telling the truth, I will too.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
How was that sad?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The Bears Bears? Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So I told you off the year. AJ Perez, you
know AJ Perez? No, okay, John Gruden. There's a report
out that John Gruden's gonna be a hot name when
it comes to coaching candidates in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
That reeks of me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If somebody doing somebody a favor and throwing somebody's name
out there. Your guy Florio, who you love, and Adam
Schefter got into it over Twitter the last couple of
days because Florio was accusing Schefter of doing Pete Carroll
a favor by throwing his name out there for the
Chicago Bears job. Tell me if that actually does happen,
where media members will do agent's favors and throw their
(32:31):
clients' names out there to get them circulating.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I'm not so sure. I wouldn't call it favors. I
would say, honestly, it happens, Absolutely happens, but they'll throw
names out because that's what Adam Schefter, that's what he does,
That's what these guys do. Floria was probably mad they
didn't phone him first. You know, what do you think
about Pete Carroll?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
I mean, do you think is that a fit?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I mean, he's got a number one overall quarterback in
Caleb Williams who showed talent but had no coaching this year.
I mean, should he get back in the game and
would that be a good fit for him?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You know, if there's anybody in his seventies that could
get back into the game with the energy necessary and
all that he has more, I think he got a
better shot than Belichick quite honestly, in college. Bill's going
to college, but Pete could do that. Do you want
to do that? I mean, you've coached for your whole life.
(33:25):
It's been wonderful. Now maybe enjoy some other things you
weren't able to enjoy, you know, but could he do it? Yeah,
he could do it, Yes he could, and he has
enough a good will he's geeking or he can get
a good staff together. I'm sure, and so and and
going to the Bears. There's only one way to go there.
(33:47):
There's only one way to go, and that's up. So yeah,
I think he's now. A lot depends on if they
keep the general manager. How ownership I know, I know
some of those people in ownership there. It just what
does Pete want? Does he just want to coach? Does
you want to run the whole thing? All those kind
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of things factor in when guys are looking for jobs.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, what about Grudeno?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, honestly, like, is he he's sixty one years old, right,
I mean he's not young, but he's not ninety either.
You know, he's probably still had some time left. The
email stuff that he went through and all that. Would
that still be a problem with you think people in
the locker room if he was hired.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I don't think so, but it you know, who knows
what's happening in the words spreading on ownership? You know,
you if you mess up and the league decides to
pounce on you right for whatever reason, then that sets
kind of a level for the for the rest of
the teams and stuff like that. So if you were
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to hire somebody that got jammed up over something, particularly lawsuit,
there's a big lawsuit, you know, how does the league
look at you? All that factors in should he be
a head coach again? Absolutely, he should be a head
coach again. He's really a good coach and he loves
it and he's messed up, but I think he's paid
(35:08):
for it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think the leader in the clubhouse for that job
probably is Ben Johnson, the Lions offensive coordinator. And I
think it's interesting what Ben Johnson has done now for
a couple of years said nope, nope, I'm good here
knowing that his stock's always going to be high because
he's got a really good team in Detroit, so it's
going to be high.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
So he's like waiting for the right spot.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Do you think that's gonna be kind of a trend
where some of these offensive and defensive coordinators get these jobs,
because in the past it's been like, as soon as
you get a head coaching offer, you just jump on it,
even if it's Carolina or the Jets. Where you got
like a one to ten chance of succeeding there. So
you think people will wait for these jobs that have
good quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I believe. So you know I did that. I mean
I can remember going to the combine and I had
chances to go in a couple places, and I sat
down right next to Joe Gibbs, who had been a
college coach at SC when I was there. We knew
each other and he's and I talked to him about it.
I said, what do you think? And he, you know,
he said, he goes, look it, you're gonna get other chances.
(36:08):
You are, And I believed him. So he goes, I'm
not telling you no or yes, but you got to
make sure it's the right thing for you because you're
going to get other chances. And so I said that
one year I said no to the teams, and then
a couple years later I got chances again.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
So yeah, you want back in.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yeah, he's only three years older than Pete Carroll.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Keathy said to say he lo to you? Yeah? Yeah?
Really would you phone her and say sure, you think
I should coach you?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
H what do you think She'll say? She'll go, She'll
laugh on my face. You don't want back in. You're good? Right, honestly?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Are you good?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I'm good? Seriously, I'm good. Okay, I'm here, you are.
I'm fun with you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Bad coach go call.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Plays for the Hawk.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I work twelve hours a day. Geez man, there's
no chance you're doing that. All right, we'll see it
a week, right that week from the day back here, Yes, okay,
we'll see you that. All right, good stuff, Mike, Mike
Carbra with us on the Right Show. We will get
a break. We got a lot more to get to.
The Sugar Bowl's gone final. Rick new Heisel is going
to join us as well. More on the sun Bowl
lost to Louisville, more on demand, more on the Oregon
(37:12):
thrashing by Ohio State yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wait here that look clipped there from our buddy here
we mailing ourselves as a freaking prick.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Wonder what he says about you behind your back? Oh
you ever get nervous about that?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
And no, no, you and I are buddies. But I'm
a little surprised that well it's it surprised.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Me, Yeah, he said, yeah, is he accurate? Bob Bill?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh? Dylan, I Dylan, I actually actually actually we've gotten
along very well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
With you, yes, honest, yes, yes, yeah, Well who doesn't
get along with you?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Honestly? I mean besides Les Carpenter.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Who doesn't go with you coloring coward?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh you don't like coward?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No really?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Why not my last year? You know, my last year
of the Seahowks. Yeah, someone told me that it was
a broadcaster saying that I had given up. I don't
even go to practice.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I remember that. Yeah, remember him? It was him and
that boy.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh jeez, so so not that I hold of grudge.
It was only twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, I'm with you, man, I love it. Well, Mike
con friends were with us. Great to see you. I
haven't seen you since last year. I know that's how
long it's been. How was your New Year's Eve? You
stay up and party on that lawn?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, we went up to Emily's on Camino Island and
had a really nice time with their family on New
Year's Eve, and the kids all came over for Christmas.
I mean it's been a nice stretch. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Very cooler.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Well, coach, where you now get to a game where
we're not used to being as Seahawks fans, a game
where it just does not matter?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So how do you go?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You didn't coach in a lot of those games, but
you did happen in your last year you had a
few of those games.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
How do you approach him and how do.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
You try to get your team to play as hard
as they would in a normal situation where they're still
playing for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, Dick, I don't think as a coach, I
don't think you changed much at all. I really don't. Now,
having said that, you said, my last year there, and
we only won four games, but we won won the
snowball game against the Jets, and the Jets had a
lot to play for, And then I couldn't I've told
you this before. I couldn't be more proud of the guys.
How they finished the season. We lost some close games
(02:24):
and we didn't have any players, really no receiver. They
battled that crazy. Compare that with early maybe the third year,
we played Buffalo in a game at Husky Stadium. Whenever
we played a Husky Stadium and the players I approached
it the same way, but the player sure didn't. They
packed it in and Cortes Kennedy, bless his heart, came
(02:48):
to me afterwards a couple of years later after he'd retired,
and apologized to me for that, for that that instance,
because here's a great player and they just I couldn't
reach them. But I don't I don't think coaches changed
that much. And I listened to Mike McDonald. He seems so.
When he answers questions, it's like you're dealing with a scholar,
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you know. I mean, there's not a lot of emotion,
but he's very articulate, right, and he's always going to
do things a certain way.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think, yeah, well, we'll find out on Sunday. I mean, obviously,
as Dick said, a very unfamiliar position. But for Geno Smith,
you know, he's got some incentives that he could reach
I think kind of rather easily.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
If I'm not mistaken. It's between like four and six.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's a lot of money, right, I don't care what
you're making, that's a lot of money. Would that be
something that you would want to help Geno Smith accomplish
on Sunday against the rams? And is it something that
the owner would also say, Hey, I know it's my money.
I'm the one paying the guy. Go out and get
the incentives for him, and let's write the guy at check.
Or would some owners say, hey, save me some casher.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Man, let's take some owners. There are some owners say
saved me some cash, but the majority of them would
probably stay out of it, right, would probably stay out
of it. And then, but to answer your first question, Dave, yeah,
I would if he had that chance, and I knew
about it. You know, I didn't remember with Seawn alexanderdy
in some yards to get two thousand or something, and
I didn't even know. I don't pay attention to that
(04:11):
kind of stuff necessarily, and shame on me. And I
apologized him for that. But you know, he you I
think I'd help him. I talk to him, and there
is incentive there. You know. My last my last one
of my last years in Green Bay, we played Pittsburgh
Cower in the in the in the last game in
green in Green Bay during the season, and I had
a bonus in my contract. I had a bonus in
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my contract if we won the division or won eleven
games or stuff like that. So we were gonna lose.
They went down there, threw a touchdown pass, the guy
dropped the ball and we won. We dropped the right
hands and we won. I went over and calor and
goes we shake hands with friends, and I was he
didn't know why I was so excited. I was so
excited because I got this huge bonus because of that
one play. So you know, it's no Chris. Players make
(04:56):
morning money now. So I don't know exactly how they
were at to things like that, but i'd help him.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, you mentioned that, uh, the Shawn Alexander thing. Matt
actually brought that up this week on your favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Show, A right Coward.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Oh really yeah, because Matt's a weekly gues So obviously
Matt does not hold the same kind of grudge for Coward.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You should the show.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Does he there on a weekly basis? Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yes, And he and he talked about what I don't
know if we have the audio, but he he talked
about how he thought it was really cool that you
brought up in the locker room before that game, the
last game of the season where Sean needed the record
breaking touchdown, that you said we're getting this for Sean
want number one and that this is a team record
(05:43):
that Seawan is getting, not just a record for Sean.
And he said that really resonated with maybe talk a
little bit about that that conversation you had with the
team and why it was so important to you for
him to get.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
It and for you to tell the team that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, I just think, you know, he he was a
very very important player for us and likable. I mean,
I liked him. I get mad at him sometimes, like
I did with most of them, but I liked him. Now.
You know, did Matt say who scored the touchdown instead
of Sean? Matt did? He was a quarterback sneak? We
(06:14):
needed six inches or something? Yeah, yeah, or I forget
how much. But honestly, do this, Dick. I didn't. It
didn't register when I was calling to play. I just
wanted to score the touchdown. You know, we wanted to win,
you know, so I did. That was my bad. Yeah,
And I told Sean after the game, I said, hey, man,
I'm sorry. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, well, maybe Max should have paid him.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Then, yeah, right, yeah, giving him a little extra money
for taking his record, for God's sakes. But you know,
look this, this offense obviously has been struggling for a
while with the Seahawks, and I'm just wondering, Number one,
do you think it is appropriate for them to move
on from Ryan Grubb after one year on the job.
(06:57):
A lot of coordinators come in if Yeah, I think
was Jeremy Bates here.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
For a year?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think he's here for a year and then we've.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Gone through a ton of night in the last seven Yeah,
this would be their third and six years, fourth and
six years. Sorry, if they move on from Ryan Grubb.
They've gone from twenty fifth excuse me, twenty first in
the NFL and yards to fourteenth. But they've gone from
seventeenth to nineteenth. Obviously they've made some strides, but they
obviously haven't had the year that we thought or hoped
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they would have. Is it appropriate for them to move
on from him after a year? And does does Mike
McDonald strike you as the kind of guy that would
make that move that quick?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know? And I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, one thing I didn't. I thought, I bring a
guy in and his family in and if he's struggling
just a little bit, it's that's on me. I'm coaching
the players and I'm coaching my coaches too, so and
that's unfair. Now, if we can't correct it in a
little while, then you make the change. I just I
didn't fire my staff very much, so coach other coaches did.
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I mentioned Bill Kawer every year. One of those guys
in the staff. It just happened. But I wouldn't do that.
First of all, Mike McDonald he hired it was important
to him to hire a staff that he wasn't really
connected to. Where when I brought my staff, I knew
there was a lot of guys when we came up here.
They'd worked with me a long time, and I knew him.
(08:21):
You know, you look at Andy Reid's staff in Kansas City.
I think there is some value there. There's some real
value in knowing your staff. Right now, Ryan Grubb, he
did marvelous things at University Washington, so I know he
can do it now. So now what happened? Where can
we improve? Just like a player? So I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
David, how do you help out a bad offensive line
as a play caller? I honestly feel like the offensive
line has been scapegoaded too much. I think I don't
think they're as horrible as some people think they are.
I don't think there could by any stretch of the imagination.
But I'll see Gino getting swarmed under seven times a game.
I see him holding onto the ball for three, four
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or five seconds to get the sack. So how do
you help your offensive line if you know you have
a subpar offensive line, so you can still a run
the ball and be overall move the ball with balance.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think the offensive line, excuse me being critically the
offensive line, they deserve some criticism. Okay, particularly in the
running game, that's the first thing. But having said that,
if that's what you have, then instead of dropping back
all the time, and Gino's a drop back passer, but
he's a play action pass sprint outs, change the pocket
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where the quarterback is in the pocket, and keep the
defense screen passes, the draw play. Even though you guys
didn't like that, but do that kind of stuff. They
keep the defense a little off balance. That can help
your offensive line.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Have you seen enough of that?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No? Yeah, I really haven't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
By the way, the draw was fine, just not on
third and twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, or were you just giving up? Honestly?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Were you saying, you know what, it's third and twenty,
let's just pop the ball something safe?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He'll be honest with us.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
On my card, I had to shot down. This is
a twenty one yard time to Max Strong.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. Well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Look, I mean, obviously there's gonna be changes over the offseason,
There's no question about that. But this is a coach
in Mike McDonald, and maybe it's Schneider. I don't know
who's already shown Hey, when things aren't going the right way,
we're getting rid of people. They fired two linebackers during
the course of the year when I got Ernest Jones
and Tyree's Knight. Is it possible they take that same
approach with their coaching staff as well, or they look
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at those two things differently.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's always possible, you know. I don't know Mike well
enough yet. Yeah, we will learn something if if if
no changes are made, Okay, that's going to set the
tone for how he deals with things, I think, and
I would be surprised though, I really would be surprised
if there's any dramatic changes in the coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Right, do you use this last game since it doesn't
mean anything, as an opportunity to get guys in the
game that you think, Hey, this guy may help down
the road, but he's not super in their depth right now?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Absolutely, you know the game is the Rams aren't gonna play.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Sabath they're gonna play, right, You're sitting now, ye, and.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You want your you're trying to win the game. But
there are guys who are close. I think maybe they're
second team, but they're close. Maybe. Now let's let's see
what he can do. Let's let's see what he can do.
So maybe he doesn't play the whole game, yeah, but
you get him in there to play some use the game.
He wants to win the game. Listen, ten ten wins
in the season is better than nine wins.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Stating the obvious, but uh, they're gonna go all out
to win the football game. But it is an opportunity
to look at some people that haven't had much of
a chance to play.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, you won nine your first year but only played sixteen.
This guy's got a chance to win ten over a
seventeen game season. Obviously, Chuck Knox won nine his first
year but only played sixteen. So you know, I mean, look,
obviously he's got a chance to win more games in
year one than any other Seahawk head coach. The difference
is both you guys made the playoffs in eighty three
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and then obviously in ninety nine, So does that do
anything for you?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Ten wins in year one, but you missed the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
No, I mean well because the number. I mean, getting
the playoffs is everything, right, I mean that's everything right.
So yeah, it'll look good. The double dig just always
look a little bit better than this single. But getting
the playoffs was the goal. Then the super Bowl is
a goal. But not getting I'm sure they were very disappointed.
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I'm sure they're very disappointed they're not in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Have you ever had a season where you can look
back at one game where you were prohibitive favorites and
you blew that game and that cost you the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Because that's what we're sitting here. I mean, we are sitting.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Here looking back at the Giants game saying that's the
reason that we're not playing.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
For the NFC West Championship this week.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
That Giants game when you were a touchdown favorite at
home and the Giants were going nowhere and they have
proven to be going nowhere all season long.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well, I go back to that year we did make
the playoffs and we lost to the Jets New Year's
Day and we should have won the game. We were
better than they were. Their quarterback TESTI Verdy wasn't playing.
You know, we didn't play well. Uh, and then we
went in the locker room and and we we got
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in the playoffs. You know, we got in the playoffs.
Someone else beat somebody. Yeah, and so that was That
was a game that I was very disappointed the other
seasons when we didn't have good seasons. We weren't even
close to the playoffs. There was a couple of times,
you know, win six games, but then we were getting
better at the end, and then we started our playoff
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run the next season. But it's a disappointing thing. That's
what you shoot for. I would only say this in
your first year, when you're still figuring things out, you're
learning your staff, you're learning first first time head coach,
things like that. Yep, you know it's hard. We played
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my first year in Green Bay. We played Minnesota for
the for the playoff last game to see yeah, and
the A beat us in Minnesota. Although we exceeded expectation
that first year, it still was so hard.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Oh boy, Well, Mike Comran's with us, and I'm looking
at Tyler Lockett's numbers this year.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
First of all, he's thirty two years old.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He had seventy targets, which was his fewest since twenty eighteen,
which was his fourth year in the NFL. He's got
a thirty nearly thirty one million dollars cap hit for
next season, which certainly that's.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not gonna happen, right, either A they restructure it or
B they move on.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
If you've got to make hard decisions with the roster,
which you do every year, right, is Tyler Lockett a
guy that you could honestly see not being on this
football team next year?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yes, and and and I say that with a with
a heavy heart. I love that. And he has been
so good for so many years. But you watch now,
it's it's clear who they're throwing the ball to. Everyone.
They'll catch one, but then he goes down. He doesn't
run much after the catching. And he's played a long
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time for a receiver. I mean, he's got all sorts
of numbers. He's got he's close to the largest numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He's number two pretty much across the board and everything and.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So and so I don't know if they I don't
know if it will happen, but I could see it happening.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes, you have to make some decisions because there's a
couple of guys in GENO and DK that have one
year left on their contract. And you know how that
you've been a GM, you know the you know when
the agent starts knocking on your door, sure right, which
will be now.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Sure as soon as the season's over.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So how do you handle those conversations with those two
guys specifically?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Well, A lot of times you can't. Of course, I've
told you. They didn't let me be in the room
after I get mad and blow up at the agent.
So they I was, They go, Mike, I don't think
you should be he here really so but you know
you I own he's looked at it. These are the
guys I want on my team. Okay, now, how do
we do it financially? Not the other way around? And
(16:07):
so and then I'd get hard on my financial guys
to let's make this work. How do we make this work?
I did the same thing when when Hutchinson left, I said, let's.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Pay him, Yeah, pay him right?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Oh, well, you can't pay guards that much, what you know, So,
but it is something you have to think about. Look
at the forty nine ers, I'll use them as an example.
They're paying about five guys a lot, and so they're
gonna have to do some really dramatic things themselves. You know,
it happens with every team.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, Gino Smith has a thirty eight point five million
dollar cap hit for next year, which, again, for you know,
a decent starting quarterback in the NFL, is not crazy.
It's almost kind of undermarket for middle of the road
in the NFL, so it's not nuts. But you know, again,
he's gonna want a new deal, right Maybe he holds
out for a new deal. Maybe the Seahawks extend him
for a year or so and give him an extra season.
(16:58):
I know, Hughes said on the air of the other day,
just leave it alone. Just haven't played his deal out.
He's not going to extend him right now. Just play
the one year and just see what happens. There's two
sides of it. If you were Geno's agent, or even
Geno's dad, for God's sakes, I guess how hard would
you be pushing for a brand new contract And if
you don't get one, would you be willing to play
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on the one year deal for next year?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
If you're Geno Smith, I think in visiting with him
and talking with him just a little bit, the player,
right right. I think he'll however it comes out, He's
not going to sit out.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He's not gonna hold out.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
No, Okay, No, I think he's going to be there. Now.
How they wind up doing it is it? Is it
one more year? Anyway they decide to do it, if
they want to extend him one more year. But I
don't think you're going to get one of those massive,
big three or four year.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Deals, right, I really do.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Right. And he's been in the league long enough now
understands the league, but likes it here, has shown he
can play here, was given his chance here, and I
think he respects that. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, he's made more money in the last couple of
years than he probably ever thought he'd make. But do
you give a damn if your quarterback is unhappy? I mean, yeah,
so he's here, he's playing, but he's pissed off. Isn't
a brand new contract. But is that something that would
even remotely concern you if you were a head coach
or a general manager.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think would probably affect his play a
little bit. But I'm not gonna let that happen. Yeah,
I'm not gonna let him be unhappy. Right, We're gonna
settle that one way or the other. Forget about the
money for a second. This is between you and me. Yeah,
you know, because he's the he's the guy you talk
to all the time, and I would tell him. Listen,
Joe Montana made a million dollars. Okay, you're making thirty
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eight million, right right? Are you really upset?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah? Well, coach, I gotta make fifty.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, well will you show me?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
No, We're gonna bring more. There's gonna be more guys
out there as well. Let's come back and talk about that. Also,
got to get your thoughts on did you happen to
see Oregon getting their ass kipt yesterday by Ohio State?
I really hope you did, because I wanted this guy
coming up. On ninety three three kJ r.
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Speaker 3 (19:15):
Alright, boys and girls, we're back here at the five
twenty Bar and Grill and Belva. Rick new Heidel joining
us in the five pm hour, Seahawks and Rams on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
My interest level in this game is in the toilet.
I'll be totally honest with you. I mean, it just
feels like a preseason game.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know about you what you think, but I might.
I couldn't care less.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I honestly think I'll probably be on the golf course
and watch it Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, if the weather's nice, for sure.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No, zero Burger, no tell me on it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You gotta tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Why tell me why? Besides the fact that we do
this for a living, why should we.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Watch because you love this team? We love this team.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Really, I don't watch preseason games, though, coach, And it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To use that word because I I love the Seattle Seahawks. Yes,
I know, I have loved the Seattle Seahawks, you know,
forty eight, forty.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Nine years, however long they've been.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yes, I know, I don't particularly love the twenty twenty
four Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
They have not been a very likable team.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Bad fans will watch bad fan I'm just honest, Dan Wagon.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I didn't think the twenty I loved the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I didn't think the twenty twenty four Seattle Mariners very
level to watch either, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I think Zotha can agree with me on that.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know what, I'm gonna watch the whole game on
Sunday because you said that, you sold me on it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'm I'm gonna pay my face white and blue and red,
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, when I leave here today, when I leave here today,
you work on him. I will.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I will for you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Guess what, I'm not going to watch the game I
am gonna watch. I'm not. I'm not intrigued by anything.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I mean my well, anytime a team sits down their
best players because they don't have to play, then the
game is different. It is different exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well and then you know, look, that's the question.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like the Giants. So I think we mentioned this with
Sean Alexander. You're talking about the two thousand saque bark.
They're not gonna play in the game against the uh
the Giants open the Eagles of Jackson Plane.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sorry, So there's some people that said, hey, for the fans,
two thousand yards breaking Dickerson's record, you owe it to
the fans to go out there and play that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you do you think about stuff?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Like that honestly, Or is it really we got to
stay healthy because we can win the whole freaking thing.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
No, you think about the fans, but no, not in
that situation. No, he's he's they're doing the right thing. Yeah,
because you know and but but the discussions took place,
I'm sure with him and with the ownerships. Their coach
said he's gonna talk the ownership general manager. They are
going to have this big meeting about whether they do
it or not. But if they were, you know the argument.
(21:41):
You know, you're big on hypotheticals with me all the time.
If they were to play him and he got hurt,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Terrible, totally.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, And that leads me to my question about this
last Sunday. I'm support they gave him thirty plus carries, coach,
just so he could get to two thousand yards.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
So that was efuseing me. If you're not gonna let him.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Get the record, Okay, why did you let him have
thirty plus carries in a blowout game where he could
have blown out his knee in that game?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, good point. That's a good point. I mean, but
it's a decision. Uh, they just I've told you the
story many times when I phoned Steve Young and and
Brent Jones, not you gotta get you gotta beat this team. Yeah,
And then I looked at on TV, I watched the
game and they're undressed. They're not even dressed. I go,
thanks a lot, you know, But it's a it's a
(22:31):
tough it's a tough call. But I would I would
go on the more conservative side.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeh, I wouldn't play well.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
My congrad's with us from the five Tony Bar and grill.
So JJ McCarthy, Uh, there's rumors and reports the Vikings
maybe looking.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
To move him.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
First of all, if you're Minnesota and you've got Sam
Darnold on a one year deal, would you keep McCarthy
just in case things didn't work out long term with
Sam Darnold, Or if you've seen enough from Sam to think,
all right, you know what, if we can get JJ
McCarthy out of here and recoup maybe a late first
or an early second round draft pick, let's do it.
What would your kind of mindset be if you're a
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Viking coach right now.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know every every team is looking for you have
your starter. Okay, he's the guy, but you're always looking
for who's the backup who might be able to play
in three years. That's who you're looking for. And I
took great pride in that, you know, the drafting guy
in the fifth round, sixth round, hassleback, Brunelle, somebody like that.
And then but we could hold on him because far
(23:29):
I've never never stopped playing. But you got to have
that guy who can go in and play and win
games for you. McCarthy, it would make sense to me
if they signed Arnold to a couple more years, depending
on how they can do that. McCarthy still is with them,
and maybe they do what the Packers do, you know?
They yeah, yeah, yeah, they all of a sudden, you
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got thirty years of quarterback play, you know, or twenty
you know, with the next guy taking over. The veteran
guy is mad, but it's it's at the end now
the young guy takes over. So no, I would, I
would say, But to your point, can they trade for
him or do that? I wouldn't give up a lot
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in the trade for him. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Why not.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I just think that, you know, history has shown you
can get quarterbacks out of college that no one thinks.
You know, the geniuses who picked these guys, you know,
the first round, first round, he's again he's an absolute
slam dunk. Well, history has shown us that's not true
all the time, and you can find guys that you
can Okay, in two years, I can really see him playing,
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you know, things like that. So that's that's the reason,
you know, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
We know John does not like the draft quarterbacks at least,
I mean history shows John does not like the draft quarterbacks.
So have we reached a point now where he has
to have a future plan by the end of this offseason?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think I think I think it's to me it's
a full court dress and in finding the young guy
who could possibly be the next guy Gino's you know
at an age now if he keeps playing the way
he's playing, you got a couple three years of playing.
But you got to get the next guy, you know,
and so and he's out there, he's out there.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
So drafted him like every year, right, didn't you draft
somebody almost every year?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, they're out there.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was that a packer thing or that drafting? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Drafting a quarterback every year like something that you kind
of picked up when you were out there or was
that a no.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I have something I like to do coach quarterbacks. I'm
sure they said, why is he picking that guy? Sure,
I'm sure, but I like to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I mean it's been said that this is not a
great quarterback class in the draft. But okay, I mean,
who's to say there's not a Russell Wilson at number seventy.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Five in the third round?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Who's the next Mayfield? Who's the next Sam Darnold? So
do you keep you ever keep a quarterback because well,
there's just nobody out there better? I mean, is that
a reason to keep a guy on the roster.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well, you got to have somebody who can play. And
if there's no one out there better, yeah, you got
to keep them on the road.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Well do you know can you tell by looking at
the draft? And I mean I assume that you can.
You think you can? Is there somebody out there better
that nobody's talking about? Maybe it's a Day two guy,
Maybe it's a Day three guy, like a Rock Party
for example. Yeah, maybe there's another backup that you want
to make a trade for.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Look at Rock Party. Absolutely there's there's someone that fits
into what your vision of the quarterback position is yeah,
and it might be completely different than a bunch of guys.
They might say, Okay, look at this, look at it.
If you look at Caleb Williams now physically unbelievable. But
in the pocket he got sacked. He th he it
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didn't work. Now he's a rookie, so I expect that
to change. But it's all in how you how you view,
how you view the guy, you know. I mean in Cleveland,
was not the coach, you know, RG three was in
the draft and our owner wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Him, yeah, badly, right, and.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
We were in that shootout with Washington for him, and
then finally it got too expense. I said, we're not
doing that. Boy. The owner was mad at me. Oh
was he mad at me? But I said, we're not.
We can't. Doesn't make any sense, you know. And so
you got as a coach or decision maker, or in
that case it wasn't the coach, but the decision maker.
(27:30):
You got to make this call. If you just make
the call and you live with it, coach him up
and off you go.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
You mentioned pretty it seems like the Niners are just
they're in a sticky situation. They are because they've got
an old roster that they need to build up, and
yet they've got a quarterback that if you want to
keep him, you're going to have to pay him. Now,
maybe it's not going to be sixty anymore because he
didn't play that well in the second half of the season.
Maybe it's forty five. But it's still a lot of
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money that you have to pay him. So what I mean,
how do you handle that if you're the Niners.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I love what you just said there, Dick. Maybe it's
just forty just.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Forty which has been on the road now almost.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, you're born about forty years too early. You know that,
you think?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
So?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna say that forty years.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You're be sitting here talking to us. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
No, it's you're You're right. They're in a sticky situation.
And and then we've talked about it a little bit before.
They they've they've paid a handful of guys a lot,
and the rest of the guys are kind of young,
and they haven't paid them very much. But you've got
to figure that out. And at the quarterback position, you know,
he's played well enough that he deserves a race. Absolutely,
(28:40):
he deserves a race, you know. But part of it
is that he's with the right coach and they've had
right guys around him. So how do you keep that going.
That's a sticky thing. That's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Mike Home, Grin's with us. You've got some connections to Chicago, right.
I want to ask you about the Bears situation coming up.
I want to ask you about Pete Carroll, and I
want to get your thoughts on Oregon getting the crap
kicked out of him by a state yesterday. That's next
with Mike from the five twenty Bar and Grill right
here on ninety three to three KJRF.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Softian Dig with Mike Holmgrin from the five to twenty
Bar and Grill in Bellevue, continue on your home for
the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
All right, as they say, it is a final spoiler
alert for those that are recording the Notre Dame game.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
For some reason, I want to go home and watch
the Sugar Bowl tonight. What's your radio down?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It makes sense if you get home you on a
you know, maybe have some of the nice excuse you
can't help out the white.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You can't make dinner because there's a game.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I just told you spoiler alerts. In three, two and one,
Notre Dame is one. They knocked off Georgia twenty three
to ten. Riley Leonard, the quarterback for Notre Dame, fifteen
to twenty four ninety four yards passing, but ran for
eighty as well. Notre Dame wins the Sugar Bowl. They
move on to play Penn State in the Orange Bowl
on Thursday, Texas Ohio State, and the Cotton Bowl on Friday.
(29:57):
So one of those four teams will be your national
CA champion Texas, Ohio State, Indiana. Excuse me, Penn State
or a Notre Dame. I'm rooting for Ohio State because
they did humanity a service by knocking Oregon's ass out
yesterday in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Do you enjoy watching that as much as I did yesterday?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I turned it off after a while. I did. I couldn't.
I couldn't believe. I just didn't. I couldn't believe it
could be that lopsided, that one sided, right with a
team that had been undefeated. I just didn't get it.
I go how does that Ohio State just did whatever
they wanted. No and mistakes, Holy Toledo, I know so.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I like to see a competitive I like to see
good football, and that unfortunately for if you're an Oregon fan,
that wasn't your day.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Well there's been a lot of bumps in the road
with this college football playoff bracket. I mean when you're
giving teams like Boise State buys and you know, Oregon's
got a tougher road as the one seed and then
Penn State had at the five seed. I mean, things
got to change, don't they like right away, Like you
can't let this continue.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
No, they have to change too many things. Like what
you just said, Dick, and you listen to you to
everyone's saying the same thing. Yeah that you know, it's
how they set it up. It will change now exactly.
You know, probably could if they just buck to new Heiseel.
He's coming on the show, right, Yeah, yeah, he probably
has some good ideas and how to change.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We'll ask him. I thought yesterday was perfect though.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I love watching Org and get their ass kicks. They
would have made and they would have played if they
just went with the top twelve teams. The eight nine
game would have been Indiana Boise State. So Oregon would
have gotten the winner of that game, and then they
would have faced I believe it would have been Clemson
or Penn State in the next round.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You know what, they could have gotten destroyed by them too.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But you know, you know what, I really appreciate it. Well,
what's that that I should really counsel you on? Speak
your mind?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah, just be hon ye holds out your feelings.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, one day I'm making a deal. When you start
telling the truth, I will too.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
How was that sad?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The Bears Bears? Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So I told you off the year. AJ Perez, you
know AJ Perez? No, okay, John Gruden. There's a report
out that John Gruden's gonna be a hot name when
it comes to coaching candidates in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
That reeks of me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If somebody doing somebody a favor and throwing somebody's name
out there. Your guy Florio, who you love, and Adam
Schefter got into it over Twitter the last couple of
days because Florio was accusing Schefter of doing Pete Carroll
a favor by throwing his name out there for the
Chicago Bears job. Tell me if that actually does happen,
where media members will do agent's favors and throw their
(32:31):
clients' names out there to get them circulating.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I'm not so sure. I wouldn't call it favors. I
would say, honestly, it happens, Absolutely happens, but they'll throw
names out because that's what Adam Schefter, that's what he does,
That's what these guys do. Floria was probably mad they
didn't phone him first. You know, what do you think
about Pete Carroll?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
I mean, do you think is that a fit?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I mean, he's got a number one overall quarterback in
Caleb Williams who showed talent but had no coaching this year.
I mean, should he get back in the game and
would that be a good fit for him?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You know, if there's anybody in his seventies that could
get back into the game with the energy necessary and
all that he has more, I think he got a
better shot than Belichick quite honestly, in college. Bill's going
to college, but Pete could do that. Do you want
to do that? I mean, you've coached for your whole life.
(33:25):
It's been wonderful. Now maybe enjoy some other things you
weren't able to enjoy, you know, but could he do it? Yeah,
he could do it, Yes he could, and he has
enough a good will he's geeking or he can get
a good staff together. I'm sure, and so and and
going to the Bears. There's only one way to go there.
(33:47):
There's only one way to go, and that's up. So yeah,
I think he's now. A lot depends on if they
keep the general manager. How ownership I know, I know
some of those people in ownership there. It just what
does Pete want? Does he just want to coach? Does
you want to run the whole thing? All those kind
(34:08):
of things factor in when guys are looking for jobs.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, what about Grudeno?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, honestly, like, is he he's sixty one years old, right,
I mean he's not young, but he's not ninety either.
You know, he's probably still had some time left. The
email stuff that he went through and all that. Would
that still be a problem with you think people in
the locker room if he was hired.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I don't think so, but it you know, who knows
what's happening in the words spreading on ownership? You know,
you if you mess up and the league decides to
pounce on you right for whatever reason, then that sets
kind of a level for the for the rest of
the teams and stuff like that. So if you were
(34:46):
to hire somebody that got jammed up over something, particularly lawsuit,
there's a big lawsuit, you know, how does the league
look at you? All that factors in should he be
a head coach again? Absolutely, he should be a head
coach again. He's really a good coach and he loves
it and he's messed up, but I think he's paid
(35:08):
for it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think the leader in the clubhouse for that job
probably is Ben Johnson, the Lions offensive coordinator. And I
think it's interesting what Ben Johnson has done now for
a couple of years said nope, nope, I'm good here
knowing that his stock's always going to be high because
he's got a really good team in Detroit, so it's
going to be high.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
So he's like waiting for the right spot.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Do you think that's gonna be kind of a trend
where some of these offensive and defensive coordinators get these jobs,
because in the past it's been like, as soon as
you get a head coaching offer, you just jump on it,
even if it's Carolina or the Jets. Where you got
like a one to ten chance of succeeding there. So
you think people will wait for these jobs that have
good quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I believe. So you know I did that. I mean
I can remember going to the combine and I had
chances to go in a couple places, and I sat
down right next to Joe Gibbs, who had been a
college coach at SC when I was there. We knew
each other and he's and I talked to him about it.
I said, what do you think? And he, you know,
he said, he goes, look it, you're gonna get other chances.
(36:08):
You are, And I believed him. So he goes, I'm
not telling you no or yes, but you got to
make sure it's the right thing for you because you're
going to get other chances. And so I said that
one year I said no to the teams, and then
a couple years later I got chances again.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
So yeah, you want back in.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yeah, he's only three years older than Pete Carroll.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Keathy said to say he lo to you? Yeah? Yeah?
Really would you phone her and say sure, you think
I should coach you?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
H what do you think She'll say? She'll go, She'll
laugh on my face. You don't want back in. You're good? Right, honestly?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Are you good?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I'm good? Seriously, I'm good. Okay, I'm here, you are.
I'm fun with you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Bad coach go call.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Plays for the Hawk.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I work twelve hours a day. Geez man, there's
no chance you're doing that. All right, we'll see it
a week, right that week from the day back here, Yes, okay,
we'll see you that. All right, good stuff, Mike, Mike
Carbra with us on the Right Show. We will get
a break. We got a lot more to get to.
The Sugar Bowl's gone final. Rick new Heisel is going
to join us as well. More on the sun Bowl
lost to Louisville, more on demand, more on the Oregon
(37:12):
thrashing by Ohio State yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
All coming up on ninety three to three KJRFM.
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