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April 2, 2025 38 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Petros Papadakis about the Dodgers, Shohei Ohtani, paternity leave, and Jewish coaches, then talk about the current culture around paternity leave as well as the respect between NBA generations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with college football analyst
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now with Petros Peer's Dave Softy Muller.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
All right it, boys and girls, here we go back
at Jimmy's on first after a Mariner went over the
Tigers today joining us right now on the radio show.
What a tremendous opportunity to talk to one of the
premiere talk show hosts this country has to offer. One
of the founding fathers, I believe of sports talk radio
on the West Coast. Damn fine Greek American husband of

(00:54):
the year, father of the month, and my friend Petros
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm a Jimmy's on First across the street from the stadium.
You've been here before.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I thought the Mariners already played, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
They did, That's why we're here. The game's over. We
are experiencing the postgame crowd. Yeah, eight hundred and nine
million or Sweet James dot com. Listen, you just stick
to your red hot freakin Dodgers and shut your yapper. Okay,
you know there is a talk here of one hundred
and sixty two and oh season. Where do you think
the odds are that happening?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I am staunchly against it, but I've been called a
lot of names. I've been called negative. Yeah, I've been
called a bad guy. Have been called like a guy
that says he's rooting for their failure, you know, even
though I mean I have to say, you're look at
it on paper and they should win every game, every game.
They should be favored.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, looks a bet some money on the underdog
at some point and just make a buttload of money.
But let me ask you this, honestly, I mean, go
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
There's like a crazy thing going on right now, softy,
because it's there's a couple things involved. Number one, you
know how, like it's a getaway day for another team
and the other team will play at one o'clock to
let that team get out of town, especially these West
Coast teams right or East Coast teams that have to

(02:41):
get all the way back across right, and the Dodgers
don't do that. They want as much money as possible
because they fill that stadium so much and there's so
many seats that they take the latest possible start time.
They don't start at seven to ten, but they started
five thirty eight, which is the latest possible the MLB.

(03:05):
And if you're Atlanta, who's playing tonight with Blake Snell
pitching a Seattle native, right, uh, it's a situation where
you're still gonna get home at two in the morning.
But still that's pretty early in LA a five thirty
eight pitch. So if you're the Dodgers, you've got to
sweeten the pot. How do you do that? Any takers

(03:30):
at Jimmy's on first.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I just want you to answer while I have my
drink of my cocktail. Here go ahead.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
What do you got there, Greyhound? No ton of coke?
Oh like a pirate. You should have a rum punch
and really just wake up feeling like your head has
been kicked by Austin Safarian Jenkins.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
What's with the What's what? This is like? The third
time that you've done? That was a random shot at
Austin Sefarian Jenkins, the pride of gig Harbor. What are
you doing? What do you do?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You seeattle guy that I know that to mention, I
forget a lot of Austin Safarian Jenkins, who once got
sucker punched by a Cougar fan after the twenty twelve
Appa Cup. Okay, you wake up feeling like your head
got stepped on by Rashaan Sheha.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
There you go. Yeah, former Husky writing back.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
But the Dodgers sweetened the pot softy by giving away
one of four showhy O Tommy bobbleheads. The Bobblehead Night
is a gigantic absolute circus every single time. There's four
this year, amongst others. And uh, there was a line

(04:40):
with helicopters monitoring Dodger Stadium wow at this morning, so.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That you ever have like somebody walking out with like
fifteen different bobblehead dolls.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Last year, they did. But they're trying to amend that
by saying, if you have more than one ticket, you're
still only going to be given one bobblehead unless you're
willing to go all the way to the back of
the line.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, but what's what's keeping somebody from once they're inside
the stadium walking up to somebody and saying, Hey, here's
fifty bucks or here's one hundred bucks, and just buying
them all.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, it's just it's it has become just the
craziest thing. Like I love an action figure more than
more than the next guy. Let's be honest. I will
still buy Action figures from time to time. Yes, I'm
honest about that at forty seven years old.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
But these people are wild for these bobbleheads.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And you know, bobblehead Night's always been kind of a
fun thing, but the Otani bobblehead is like hitting the
the fast and the furious nitrous buttons, so to speak.
On bobblehead mania. And I don't think this one has it.
But sometimes there's you know the modern term the easter
egg bobblehead's right where like he's in an away Jersey

(05:54):
and these things show up on eBay like almost immediately
after Bob They're probably they are already. I'm gonna take
a look at it, by the way, Yeah, this is
the MVP bobblehead. There's a there's a dog bobblehead him
and his dog. They did that already last year. There's
a fifty to fifty with the fifty stolen bases where

(06:15):
he's sliding into a base bobblehead, and you know there's
gonna be a Freddie Freeman bobblehead where he's holding up
the bat and that Kirk Gibson moment.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That he had.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So the Dodgers are hot. I mean, it is an
extremely beloved brand. Especially right now. They're they're pretty fun
to watch here in La. Well, I'm looking at the
eBay right now. There's already a Otani MVP bobblehead for
two hundred and ten dollars on day dot Com. Yeah, yeah,
that feels successive.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think you should wait for that to come down. Well,
the Mariners do it. They just got done doing a
Julio bobblehead. But they did it for three days in
a row. Monday they gave out ten thousand, Tuesday ten thousand,
and then today they gave out ten thousand. But there's
a big brewing controversy up here, and see that. We've
got to get your thoughts on And Jackson Feltz, our producer,
actually reminded me to bring this up to you. So, uh,

(07:06):
Dick Fane, my partner, is not a big fan when
players have to miss games because their wife is having
a baby. And he says, the closer to the end
of the year, the bigger the game, the more ridiculed
you should get. He said, Hore Polanco is out on
paternity leave right now. And Dick Jason said this, Yeah
he did. He's not he's not that fired up about
it yet because it's only the first, you know, six
seventh game of the year. But my god, if it

(07:28):
was September or the World Series or the playoffs, there'd
be hell to pay. What do you make of people
that criticize players who miss games because they're having kids. Well,
I mean, he says they should plan better period. End
of story.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not necessarily in agreement with that.
That being said, you know, it is interesting that like
people get like eight weeks of paternity leave now and
they take it right, you know, they just bone out
for two months and they come back and you're like,
what did you drop the kid off at kindergarten or

(08:03):
high school graduation? Did you teach him how to shave
on your way to work today? Back to work? We
haven't seen you since ninety eight, dude. You know, so
they're offering why wouldn't you take it? You know, and
like you, yeah, I know. I like, well, I'll tell
you why. Because you don't want to be stuck home
with your wife for two months? That's whow No, No,

(08:24):
nobody would enjoy more time off than me. But but
I feel accounted, I mean, honest answer. I feel accountable
to the people I work with, right, Like I don't like,
you work at the sports station at the same company
that I do, and there's not a lot of people
that work there, And if you're not working, other people

(08:45):
have to work a lot harder. Sure, and you know
that bothers me for a long period of time. I
don't like putting people that I work with in that position.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right, but we're not talking about taking two months off.
We're talking about taking but after ja.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know, these particular days, these fraternity leaves, these modern
praternity leaves, are crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay that that that part, I agree with it. I
don't know every I.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Don't if somebody needs a couple of days for the
birth of their child for God's.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Sakes, Yeah, you're fine with us, You're okay with that.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
That's a matter of I don't want his hypothetical situation,
like his breath, he like are in the World Series,
you know, Tide two games apiece and Julio's not gonna
play baby, you know, come on.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That sounds like me, by the way.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Either way, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm just saying, like,
you know, it's not you know that's that's don't worry,
it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
What's not gonna happen? The Mariners are not gonna play
in the World Series. What makes you think that they've
only played baseball for fifty years?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It hasn't happened one time. Let me ask you this.
We have Brett Boone on this week though, so I got, oh, really,
he's on our show tomorrow. He's with us every Thursday
at four o'clock. Yeah, he wanted to talk about his part.
He wanted he said, pump the podcast, right, yeah, you
go at every break we were like, you gotta listen
to this Brett Boone podcast right here on the iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
We don't. We don't promote his podcast anymore because we
just pay him to do the show on Thursday. So
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
You can have one of the other, the promotion or
the pay. You can't have deep pockets, Softie, I don't
have anything. You've got some of the deepest pockets in
the industry.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
You and Dick is there? Uh? Is there?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Have we gotten to a guys or like the guys
that built the Chicago Fair.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
We're like the two dudes in trading places before they
went and broke Oh yeah, it was too old the
right Ralph Bellamy and Dono Michi. I believe it is
who it was. How about how about me knowing stuff?
That's good? Pretty good?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
By the way, you mentioned thirty thousand bobbleheads. Yes in
three nights, Yes, tonight. The big controversy is the Dodgers.
They always cap every giveaway at forty thousand.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, that's pretty good though, man is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Well, you know it fits about fifty five, so you're
doing a pretty good job. But they do sell out.
But they they they made a mistake, I think, and
their social media said all fans will.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Receive Oh that's not good, and now.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's like a double edged cutlass and nobody, nobody knows
what the truth is.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
If they reached a point no, it's fine. Have they
reached a point where anything less than a World Series
title for this team is a disappointment, wouldn't you say? Right?
I would say so, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean they're they're gotta be the most favored to
repeat since forever, since the Yankees actually did it way
back at the turn of the century. So oh yeah, okay,
the Dodgers did take it down, it's still there. Oh wow,
fans in attendance.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's gonna be a problem, man, I mean, is it
all fans like over the age of three or under
the age of ninety or what? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't know. I just know they capped at forty,
and then I had information that it was captain forty.
And now the social media person says, all fans.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, I really to be a war on the streets.
It could be man, those are those are hot commodities.
Like we said, he made two hundred and ten dollars.
I hope you really enjoy the Final Four this week.
I know you're a big Final four college basketball. You
know we got some history being made this weekend. By
the way, are you aware of what's going on?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
The Final four? No, three of the final four coaches
are Jewish. Oh that's right, I did know this. How
about that?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, Earl Bruce pearl And and Calvin Sampson is a
Native American correct and Kelvin Sampson is a former head
coach at Washington State.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
In case you didn't know.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
That, bad I did so great chance for the Jews.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
We have a ride.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Are you gonna go out there and and bring that
that weird uh that horn thing?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
You know that thing? No, I am not bringing a
show far? Yeah, bring so far? Yeah, that horn thing.
I used to see.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
The horn thing that you should go over there and
swing a show far around, swinging around where you're a
yamaka and really just really embrace it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
You should do it, softy, do it, Doug, go out
there and just show my junis off. Get out to
san Anto and show them what a real Jewish light.
I think there's some nice kosher delis in san I
want to see.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, but they serve taco, they have a they have
a famous restaurant. There's a famous touristy Mexican restaurants really
that I went to that was good.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It was called me Tiera. Yeah it was. It was
beautiful there. I've been there. It's very good. Wear your
Jewish cape.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I don't have a Jewish you know, like the blanket
thing that the rabbis wear. It's not a cape.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
By the way, I do have my yamica from my
bar Mitzvah back in the day. I have a couple
of yamaica's, by the way, one from Seth Everett's wedding
and one from my bar Mitzvah and my cousin's wedding
as well. Everwear yanka Do you ever wear a yamica? Never?
In your head. It would look.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Ridiculous, by the way, I don't know. They would just
blend right in. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like
my head.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So b Hey, how about this? Uh did you see
this thing that John Wilner wrote that he thinks this
is Lincoln Riley's last year at USC. He's gonna get fired.
They're gonna whack him.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well, you know, I mean it might. It is interesting.
Did we talk about the GM thing.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, they hired what's the guy's son, Boden. Yeah, Jim
Boden's son, correct.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, Jim Boden, the old Cincinnati guy. And then this
guy came. Then his son Chad came up in Cincinnati
under Fickle and maybe even yeah, just Fickle and and no,
maybe Brian Kelly too, and then ended up at Notre
Dame as a GM type. Yeah, and then ended up

(14:40):
in Notre Dame and whatever it is. He's left Notre
Dame and it started what some rumor to be a
mass exodus at Notre Dame under Freeman, even though they
had a great year last year. Can't doubt that. But
this guy has kind of come to USC. Boden has
and said a lot of the right things. You know,
He's talked to lot about what you need to do

(15:01):
to have success at USC, which is recruit the area
and be synonymous with the area. And that's something Lincoln
Riley really has not accomplished at all, other than getting
worse every single year, not endearing himself to the community
at all or really understanding what us he is all
about and the tradition of it is all about. Lincoln

(15:23):
Riley hasn't done much of that at all.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
By the way, I gotta be totally honest with you,
I really could not care less about Lincoln Riley and USC.
Then why did you ask? Because I was trying to
delay myself a little bit so I could search for
this song to get your thoughts on me running around
San Antonio with three of the four coaches being Jewish.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I mean, isn't that a little obvious? Couldn't you come
with something else? I couldn't find it. I have no
idea where it is. He can pump Bruce Pearl in
a chair like it's his bar mitzvah us he is recruiting. Well,
maybe that's USC's problem. They need a Jewish guy on

(16:10):
the sideline. I don't know if Boone's a jew By
the way, you.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Know you know who is Jewish? You know who's Jewish?
Don't you? Uh? Our guy.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Sprinkle?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, she had the fish?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Oh yes, yes, I did know that.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
This is the Huskies new intro song when they play
Colorado State in the opener.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
That'll strike fear in the ducks. It really is a
catchy tune, is it not. No, there's no doubt. Oh,
we used to have the We used to have the
abot telethon Hobo yep, yeah, down here. And it was
in the kind of the Jewish district in West l A.

(16:59):
Which that's called the Rich area by the way. No, No,
there's like a whole district. There's a whole district. It's
kind of by the Fox Lot. There's a whole district
of you know where you see you know, people in
the suits with the orthodox outfits, like the Jewelry district
in Manhattan counter or uh not really, it's more of
like a West l A thing. But but anyway, Uh,

(17:26):
and well you've upset me.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I've upset you? How have I upset you?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
You're the one talking about me going to sense and
running around with the yamaka.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
They used to have the horn, they used to have
the to life. They used to have bought I bought
telethon in the Jewish area in West l A. And
Vic the Brick used to play with his the great
La sports legend sportscaster.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Is he Jewish? By the way, is Jewish, you think.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
And he used to play with his band MWA or
Sugarnus with Attitude, and they would play the Habbotan telethon
I love it, and he would be up there and
he'd say give me the Halla and they'd throw they'd
throw bread at him, you know, the bread.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh God.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
They had dancing rabbis that would come out and dance
while he played The Time has Come Today by the
Lester Chamber Brothers band.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
See this is why I like you, because you're cultured. Man.
I appreciate that out of you anyway.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
That's all I'm saying. That's I was just trying to
make that point. Maybe you can hire those dancing, high
kicking rabbis Sugude, Yeah, Mwa. I went to more. I
played a little cow bell with MWA on more than
one of You.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Good for you? All right, crossing off the bucket list,
then all right, good stuff. Enjoy the three Jews in
the final four. Enjoy the Dodgers tonight and the Bibbleheads,
and let me know how it goes with the with
the forty thousand heads for fifty five thousand people tonight.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Okay, Yeah, I could keep an eye on shop Mas ravine.
He could get ugly, could.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Get ugly, could get nasty. All right, man, good stuff
doing week?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Do get nasty bread.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
See you buddy. Petros Papadakis with us on the radio
show We Gotta Break. We got a lot more to
get to on a busy Wednesday. Larry Stone will join us.
He guess who else is Jewish? Larry Stone. We're just
coming out of the walls here, man, I'm five right
here on ninety three three The Old Testament.

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Speaker 2 (19:47):
So I think we may have stumbled upon a brand
new segment we can go to for the off season.
By the way, offseason, I mean baseball season, non football
season is what I'm talking about. Well, maybe the Mariners
will be pretty good. We won't even need it, right,
I mean, there's all these benchmarks that we go to
during the spring and summer because frankly, the baseball team
has sucked. I mean, if that was ever different, we
would not have.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
To worry about it, right, the Mariners have.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
The Mariners have at least kept our interest really the
entire season for four years in a row.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, but I don't know if we're doing brackets and
all that stuff and all these stupid things we do.
But so now we got two things that this is
a brand new segment. What has pissed off Dick Fane today.
We've got two things going on right now. Number One,
players taking paternity leave, which is apparently now extended into
the American paternity leaf culture that is existing now in

(20:35):
the workforce. That's a problem. And then the other thing
is why don't NBA players today get their due? Right?
These are two things, Jackson, that are driving Dick Fane fricking.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
Nuts, and really quickly, because I think there's two different
conversations on the paternity leaf thing. Yeacause, Dick, your problem
in the past and part of the planco issue is
they need to time out the kids more. That's a
separate issue from how much time people are taking.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Off for.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Different two different conversations.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Can we just rewind though, and how this conversation began.
This conversation began with Softy sand Dick. Don't look at
your email right now, I want to bring something up
on the phone. So I just want to make that clear.
I did not bring this topic up on the radio.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Well, but you would have found out about it eventually
because you would.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
But I would off on it on the air.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Sure you would have if I would have the air
during an update and said this just did horrid started.
But God bless what Jackson would have gone out, God
bless Petros.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Petro said it very eloquently when he talked, I don't
want to put my co workers under the gun because
I'm taking a ton of paternally. It would be more
work for you, more work for Jackson, more work for
rich probably more work for Hugh Millin. Like, that's a
lot of people that I'm making more work for if

(22:00):
I'm taking two and a half months off for proternity
leave Jackson.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Like, that's that's a
completely separate argument. No, Like Frankly and a Dick, I
don't know if you want to bring in the text
message that we had last night, but like, yeah, anybody
who takes two and a half months off first off,
that's like the point zero one percent of people who
can actually take two and a half months.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Who actually does that?

Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's required by law if I mean the employer to
give it to a federal daw.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
You gotta get paid for it. No you you can.
You can't have it.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Maybe the ability to take that much correct without getting
fire up I'm having a kid.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
But there's the big butt of you, like, you don't
you aren't required to take that?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
What I'm saying is the people who do choose to
say two and a half months is so ridiculously Look, I.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Don't know of anybody who's ever done that. Yes, I
mean I know, like when Shaki had a baby, I
think he took like a week and a half or
maybe a couple of weeks or whatever. But I do
think that every situation is different. I mean, you never know.
Maybe you can't afford to have somebody come in help
out the mom with the kid, and maybe you need
to be home. Maybe there's some kind of mental thing
going on, maybe there's some postpartum I got no freaking

(23:06):
clue what's going on, Because.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
You want to be home for three months with the news.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, But if there's a lot of things I don't
want to do that I have to do right. It's
you know, it's called being a partner, right. I mean,
that's that's the way this whole thing works. So, I
mean the issue really so then becomes is the American
paternity culture or the paternity leave culture excuse me, out
of control versus should athletes time up the birth of

(23:32):
their children better to not coincide with a game or
a time of the year when they could be playing.
That was the question that was talked out yesterday that
we got talking about to just bananas the text we go.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
We talked about that part, and I really do think
it's an age thing. I think that fundamentally, a majority
of the people older than me probably lean my direction,
and a majority of the people under me lean the opposite.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
In regards to what the athletes thing.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Probably both actually both topics.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I'm ownering you. I think they should be able
to take time off if they're having a kid, and
I don't think they can time it up all the time.
I think it's I don't think they can time it.
It's unfair to expect that somebody can just fire a
bullet whenever they want, right. I Mean, look again, I've
never tried it to have a kid, so whatever, But
I mean, we all know Jackson's story and it's it's difficult,

(24:27):
of all right. So the other thing that's pissing Nick
fine Off is the lack of do that NBA players
are getting in regards to their previous peers from the
seventies and eighties and nineties. So this was on ESPN
and just.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Lead into it because you know, this is something we
talked about on Monday. And I thought it was really
interesting that what we brought up on Monday, as I
said that I did not think that fans, right nor
prior players give this era of NBA players as much
do as other sports as other sports do, gotch And

(25:05):
it was interesting that here's here's Molly Cairam today on
first take.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
I just feel like we spend so much time are
you going, We spend so much time praising the past
generation that we don't focus enough on the current generation,
and I think it's hurting the NBA. And in the conversation,
we don't do this in any other sports. Business women
just finished, we don't do this in any other sport
besides the NBA, and we do it on this show.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's not true, constantly, not true.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yes, we do we celebrate today.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
He said about not other sports. That's not true. I
don't care what sport we're talking about. We always compare errors.
We always do it, no matter what sport it is.
The NBA feels that way what you just said. The
players feel that way. That's what you just said. I
understand that part. But the flip side to it is this, if.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
A standard of greatness has been established and somebody's comparing
you to that greatness with saying you're great.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So there's almost two different things going on here. One
of them is do the NBA players today get the
do that they deserve or do people automatically default to
previous eras when they define greatness? Right? Yes? And then
number two, if they do do that in the NBA,

(26:24):
do they do it in other sports? I'm going to
kind of give you one of two from my opinion, Deck,
I think that you're right that when it comes to
NBA players today, when like, if you were to walk
around Jimmy's and say give me your top twenty players
of all time in the history of the NBA, I
think the majority of them would have played like twenty
years ago on that list, maybe top ten, seven or

(26:44):
eight of them from these people.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
There's three right from these people.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I'm not saying that these people in Seattle or these anywhere.
I'm just taking a bar. Just just go to a bar.
Like you would not hear a lot of people say Lebron,
Steph Curry, Joker, Luca whatever. I think a lot of
people would default to the eighties and nineties, but they
wouldn't do that in football. But that's what That's not
the one I'm giving you though. That's the one part
of this equation I will not agree with at all,

(27:09):
and I would not agree with it in baseball. I
would not agree with it in football either, because I
still think the best wide receiver of all time is
Jerry Rice. Running back Barry Sanders. Quarterbacks different because Brady
won seven championships. We could argue Joe Montana and John
Alway be.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
On everybody's listing. Okay, but again and they both.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
If we're talking the greatest quarterback of all time, that's fine,
But these guys are also doing things with titles that
a lot of other guys didn't do. So you want
to just say mahomes Brady, that's fine, But I when
I look at my top ten all time baseball players.
The majority of them played like twenty thirty forty years ago. Honestly,
I mean outside like show Hays going to be on there,
Aaron Judge maybe one day will be on there. But

(27:48):
like Babe, Ruth sand Kofax, Ted Williams, Mickey mannl Jodamaggio,
William May three years guys like that, right.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Three years ago we were saying Mike Trout's a lock.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Right and not anymore. But that's the thing when you
say they only do it for the NBA, I don't
agree with that. I think I think you're wrong. I
think steven A is right. The first part I would
agree with. The second part I would not agree.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
With all right.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I mean, I just think I don't know what if
I need to need to feel better.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I just think that when when Joker does something, yes,
there is a pushback like, oh, he's not Will he's
not Kareem, he's not. When Lebron does something, he's not Jordan,
When Steph does something, he's not Bird Right, It's like
it's like there's this constant pushback when today's NBA superstars

(28:32):
do something ridiculous like they did last night.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
People doing that points for Joker, fifty two points for
Steph Curry, and if it was Jordan and Bird doing
that forty years ago, people would.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Be drooling all over.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think part of it, though, Dick, is that one
of the reasons why they're doing it now is because,
let's face it, when Bob Coozy and those guys, nobody watched.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Basketball, but they watched it in the Bird Jordan, right.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
But so that's the baseline. I mean, cly the NBA
blew up when Magic and Larry showed up correct in
nineteen eighty, So I think everything after that. I mean,
how many people really remember the early seventies and late
sixties of the NBA. Nobody does. I mean, like, ask
your dad, for God's sakes, my dad would have no.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Freaking He didn't even watch much NBA. Yeah, the Magic
Magic got him back to the end.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
He was watching.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
My dad was watching baseball in New York.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
He couldn't have given a damn about Clyde Fraser and
those guys. Man, come on, it was just not a
big deal. So I think that's that really is kind
of where all this started for a lot of basketball fans.
For baseball fans, Baseball has got a much longer history
than basketball does, and I mean richer history of legends.
So I think again, I do think that players today

(29:42):
don't get their due, like there's reasons for it. But
I also believe that we do that in a lot
of other sports. And Mahomes and Brady you want to
say they're different, that's fine, they're different. But I don't
know if the best offensive lineman in the history of
the NFL is playing right now. I don't know if
the best running back is playing right now, and I
don't know if the best wide receiver is playing right now.
I can probably say the best quarterbacks are playing right now,
but I would say that there's a lot of guys

(30:04):
that would say, hey, Joe Montana again, John Elway, hell,
Dan Marino. What if Dan Marino play with the talent
that Joe Montana has? Right I'm the Championships with that guy.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I feel like there's a disconnect between the people that
cover the sport, yeah and the general fans, the people
that cover the sport, the national talk show hosts, all
those people they are. I mean, there's no question Lebron,
Steph and Joker are all three of the top ten
players of all time. But the fans don't buy into

(30:33):
what the I'm gonna cast a quote unquote experts or
the people that follow the NBA much closer than just
your general American does. The general American doesn't give these
guys as much do as the people that actually watch
them on a nightly basis.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, I think you're putting a lot of a lot
of stock in what media people think. Well, these are the.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
People that follow them the closest. I'm talking about people
that cover the sport, people, the you know.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
What, dick dick. But hang on a second, though, because
we just had a big argument the other day about
Larry Bird and you said, Larry Bird's opinion doesn't mean
jack squat. Larry Bird's one of the top ten players
in the history of the NBA, who was a gm
A head coach, and up until like six years ago,
was working for the Pacers. Do you dismissed his opinion
about like, if you want to win titles, go play

(31:20):
with Kobe, you want to have fun, play with Lebron.
Remember that whole.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Thing argument, So it was just a silly thing for missaying.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well, but that's what he believes, though, So why is
his opinion not valid. But somebody else in the media.
Why is Larry Bird's opinion not valid? But Kenny Smith's
opinion is if Larry Bird.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Is watching the NBA maybe closely as Kenny Smith is,
who's doing it every night on inside the NBA watching
multiple games, Kenny Smith's opinion.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Absolutely the more so the more the more basketball you
watch on TV, the more your opinion matters. That's what
you're telling if.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
You're especially if you're paid to do it.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I don't know, Dick. I mean, Larry Bird's opinion is
pretty frickin heavy to me, Well is it? Guy's one
of the top players. I think you're I I think
you're discounting Larry Bird's opinion because you disagree with it.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Who's period, Whose opinion should you trust more anything? Somebody
that spends more time studying and watching somebody or spending
less time study.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
How do you know how.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Much basketball Larry Bird watches? You have no idea how
much basketball Larry Bird wrot. Larry Bird could be sitting
home all day watching ten games a night for all
you know. I got no clue. Larry Bird's one of
the top ten players ever. And some people.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Arguing you're putting a lot of stock on one comment
that you brought up with yecause few days ago.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I'm talking much bigger because.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
This comes back down to you just discounting opinions when
they fit a narrative. I mean a media person versus
Larry freaking Bird's opinion. I mean, what if what if
Charles Barkley had that same opinion about Kobe and Lebron?
Will that be okay? Because he watches because he's on TV.
So if you're on TV, your opinion means.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
For Dave, I don't know why you're focusing on Larry
freaking Bird.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
You're not gonna understand.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
I'm talking popular versus people that cover it for a living,
and I will trust the people that cover it for living,
that watch it every single night over Joe from Kent,
who watches three NBA games a year.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Then all of us should just believe whatever the guys
on TV believe, whatever the people on TNT think, whatever
the people on ESPN think do, whatever we trust whatever
they believe is what our opinions should be. Don't we
get it?

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Analysts of every sport? Don't we have draft experts?

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Don't we have Daniel Jeremiah Land surlan on because we
respect their opinion more than some dude in Edmunds.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I don't know what the again, if you're just telling
me I don't care if it's Jeremiah or Zerline or
anybody else, why don't we all just plug in and
whatever those guys think is what our opinions will be.
I mean, is there not room for debate? Like just
because you're Joe from Edmunds, you can't have an opinion
about something and you're just gonna believe whatever Kenny Smith

(33:56):
says because you agree with that. What if those guys
disagree with you? The problem?

Speaker 5 (34:00):
The problem I have is the NBA fans that don't
watch the league got it and say, oh, the Jokers
not nearly as good as will.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like, how the freak do you know you never watched
the games?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
How do you know they don't watch the games? I
mean again, that's I don't want to beat this to death.
We've kind of already crossed that line. But how do
you know that somebody The sense I get from you
and if I'm wrong then I apologize, is that you're
telling me that because somebody has an opinion that differs
from yours. That is because they don't watch the games. No,
So the idea that somebody could say that Wilt Chamberlain,

(34:34):
which I don't know if that's accurate or not. I
got no idea somebody says Wilt Chamberlain's better than the Joker.
The only reason why you say that is because you
don't watch basketball. That's what you're telling me.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I'm saying, if they don't watch basketball, they don't have
a right to give that opinion. But again, I don't
have a right to give an opinion on something I
never watched.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Let's let's think a break and wrap this up next segment.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
No, no text, Let's continue now we can. How about
we just get some text on this topic. Okay, what
do people think about this? This a little battle we
got going on here? Four nine four five one. Larry
Stone at five coming up on ninety three three kJ
a RFM.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
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Speaker 2 (35:21):
Jackson, I feel like this is one of those moments
where we should just turn the text line over to you.
I just have you just go bump up, up, up, up, up,
up up down the list, because they're all over the place.
I mean, they really are. It's just all Soft is
an idiot, Dick is stupid, Softy's dumb, Dick is a door. Yeah,
Dick is wrong, soft and they really is wrong.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
And that's not even over exaggeration. Every single one is
back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I just want to tell you, Peter Debate, we are
in the media. We watch more games than you. You
should listen to us. How's that sound, Jackson? You want
to read some of the Sure.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Let's go it all right, don't care how good the
joker is.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
The game is tainted because all the three pointers in
their rest days. It's a different game in today's players'
reputations are harmed because of it.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well, the load management thing is definitely a strike in
the in the column for today's players.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Right, But that's only a certain number of players.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean the stars though, right, like the bigger name guys
are doing that.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yes, I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
I don't think the jokers sitting out for him. I
don't think ste sitting give me.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Just a random NBA player, just anybody, just ad. Does
anybody care how many games he misses? Of course not
right that the bigger name you are, the more people
get pissed off. And the reason why I think people
get mad at One of the reasons why is because
people buy ticket Like I got a buddy of mine
that every year he's taking his son to an NBA game,
and they went to San Antonio. God, who were they playing.

(36:48):
I think it was Milwaukee, and both Wemby and Giannis
were out, and they picked that game to go watch
those guys play, and they paid good money and they're
freaking pissed. So when you get pissed off, what do
you take.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
To not do defend somebody?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's right? If you're angry.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Oh, there's there's no question about there's there's a lot
of there's a lot of issues with what's going on
in the league. I've said I do not think the
league's proved. I've said a million times on the air.
The league season is way too long.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
We wouldn't have as much load management.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
If we had a fifty five game season, a sixty
game season, it wouldn't be an issue. We wouldn't have
bad ratings in November and December because guess what, there
wouldn't be games in November and December during football.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Really, they'd be from January to March really quickly before
we break just one more great When I think from
the two five three when it comes to the NBA,
I think both of you should shut up and bring
on Charles Barkley.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
I told you, hey, we got Shack on the show
one side selling chicken.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
If you know what if Charles Barnaby ever puts like
a Sausta stand inside playing well, get on pie stand
or whatever. Four fifty five Larry Stone. We got Larry
Stone's take off. This also, is he a proud jew
knowing that three of the four final four coaches are Jewish.
We'll talk to him next on ninety three three KJRFM

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