June 17, 2025 • 25 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Jackson Felts chat with Jerry Brewer about the NBA Finals and Pacers hopes plus the Mariners’ failures and lack of spending, then the guys discuss the M’s finances and the mentality we’d want to see ownership have.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with award winning Washington
Post columnist Jerry Brewer, brought to you by Northwest Handling Systems.
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(00:23):
Now with Jerry Brewer, here's softy Indian.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I just realized Jackson, that when Jerry Brewer comes on
the air, it's very rare that both me and Dick
are here at the same time.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm gone, He's gone. Whatever I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It does give me a chance to play my favorite
Ghostbusters drop when Dick fan is not his.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yes, it's true. This man has no Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I know a big Ghostbusters fan as well when I
see one. Jerry Brewer joins us on the radio show. Jerry,
how are you pal?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm great man. It's great to hear your voice back
to normal.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Also, oh god, dude, brutal for a guy that does
a radio show for a living. Not having a voice
is a little bit of a prop It'd be like
if somebody cut off all your fingers. Although there's probably
technology available now where you could still write a column.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right, yeah, but it just wouldn't be the same. It
wouldn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How often have you actually used voice to text to
like write a column that was published.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Never?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Never?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Never? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How often do you use it to send a text
message to your wife?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
There's some times when I absolutely have to if I'm
kind of like on the move, you know, walking or
you know, if I if I have to get a
message off or I get a stop sign or some
stoplight or something, but not very often, Like I'm old school.
I mean, if I could, if I could write to
text right literally with it with a pencil or a
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pen I'd be the fool who did that.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I mean, the question is, softie, how many times do
you not use voice to send a message.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, there's two things. Number one and I want both
your takes on this chair ast with you. I feel
like we now know what it was like to live
ten thousand years ago when people used to communicate with
pictures and caves. By the way, because now we're doing
that with emojis. I mean, that's all emojis.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
I literally just texted Jerry and emoji five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like Jerry, they're just they're they're hieroglyphics for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I mean, how many text messages.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I don't know how old your oldest kid is, but
how many text messages do you get from you know,
young people and they don't even use words. They just
send you pictures to express whatever the hell they're thinking.
That is hieroglyphics circa twenty twenty five. And then number two.
Every time I use voice to text, it never works.
I gotta go back, and I got I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Write it all over again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And yeah, you still use it fricking iPhone can't understand
what the hell I'm talking about?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Is it me?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Or is it the phone? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah? Why do you even do it when you have
to edit it? It's twice the long to edit it
as it would to write it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Exactly. Unbelievable, man, terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well, just do me a favor, use your fingers, use
your voice, use means necessary, and get a message to
Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers please to pull their
heads out of their ass and get it done in
game six tomorrow. Jerry, we are forty eight minutes away
from Armageddon, a stain on America, a stain on the
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NBA that will never be washed off. If the thunder
win this championship tomorrow night, I have resigned myself to
the inevitability that it's over, and I'm wondering if you're
doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah. Really, ever since they blew out Denver in Game
seven of the second round, I've been preparing myself for
the fact that they could win it. I just I
didn't think that Minnesota was going to put up a
much of a fight, and they didn't. I'm really impressed
with Indiana, but it just seems, it seems with Halliburton
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and this injury, now, I just don't know how they're
going to muster up enough to win both of the
next two. I wouldn't be surprised if they win on
Thursday night, but then I could just see him getting
blown out in game seven.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I mean, Jerry, that's the question is where does the
hope come from? Like for us here in Seattle and
for those in Indiana, Like, what do you write if
Haliburton can't go and that's what we're kind of starting
to see. Then where does the hope lie with the Pacers?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well as the hope would lie in Rick Carlisle. The
fact that he's won a championship before, and he's I
would say he's top five, top seven coach in the NBA,
and the way their system works. You know, they kind
of have an offense that you know, a lot of
people call their offense flow, but I call their offense
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flow with a capital S because I think they just
run a free flowing style better than anyone in the NBA.
And you saw how well McConnell played in the minutes
that he that he was given last night. So I
think for a game you could muster up enough to
extend the series and then you're putting a lot of
pressure on a young team at home in game seven
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as an overwhelming favorite coming in and then you just
see what happens in a game seven. I think that's
probably the road for them. But Carlisle is gonna have
to dial up something really cool. I mean, maybe they
just play crazy fast, but the problem is when you
play that way is the turnovers. And I mean Haliburton
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is if he's not number one and assist a turnover
every year. He's like number two or number three. And
if you're taking him, if you're putting him in a
situation in which he's a liability on the floor, you're
not going to be able to have him just as
a ball mover. He's not gonna score. He just I
mean the way he's moving. Unless he makes like six
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seven threes and has one of those Isaiah Thomas against
the Lakers kind of games, I just don't see him
being much of a scoring threat. But can't he be
out there and move well enough for them to play
his own defense or something, just so that they don't
turn the ball over thirty times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, maybe Sga, I'll slip on a wet spot and
pull his groin or something. There's the hope or whatever, right,
I mean, I'm not rooting for anything horrible. I mean,
you know what, Look, he wants to blow his knee out.
He'll recover, he'll be fine, But something like that, right,
you know, just go slip on a spot that wasn't
cleaned up by one of the kids out there and
pull all groin and maybe you can't go and maybe
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che Holmgren, you know, gets into a fender bender and
he's just emotionally unstable and he can't play tonight or tomorrow.
That's the hope Jackson. But Jerry brewers with us and Jerry,
I want to go back to something you said a
week ago. I think it was when you said you
didn't like the way ESPN was talking about the NBA,
and we played a clip and fun with audio last
segment where steven A said that if Giannis does not
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win another title, he's underachieved. And look, I mean that's
just obviously a matter of opinion. When you win a
championship that early in your career, I could see how
the bar would be raised tremendously. But Jay Williams called
him out on it on TV. I think it was
yesterday over his take. So when you say you don't
like the way ESPN talks about the NBA, expand on that.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean I think that even when they're doing
free and halftime show, it feels like first take colon
NBA Edition instead of it instead of it. Like when
I'm watching a game, I'm so locked into the game.
I want to know what's happening. I need a player
or just like someone who is just great an analysis
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to explain to me why this team is turning the
ball over, explaining that fifteen to four run to me,
explain something that I don't know because I'm lost in
the game. I don't need to hear about legacy and
this guy needs to step up. I can tell you
when a guy is three four eleven at halftime that
he needs to step up. I need to know like
what the defense is doing to influence him, right, Like,
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those are the kinds of things I just think they're
they're so obsessed with ratings on what happens like during
their daytime programming that they forget that even though stephen
A is the ESPN franchise, we don't need stephen A
breaking down games or not breaking down games. He's sitting
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there playing Solitaire during the game, and you see the
video of that where he was talking about he was
doing it and a break in the action, and the
video actually showed that he was doing it in the
middle of the action. So like, you're bored and all
you're willing to talk about is like three topics as
loud as you possibly can. The problem becomes then, like
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the NBA is really leaning into all this parody, and
with parody, you have a bunch of teams and players
that you don't really know, and so you need your
television partner to help educate the fan base so that
they might be interested in some of these teams. And
it's a different banana when you've got the Lakers and
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Lebron all the time, or Steph and the step Kerry
and the Warriors all the time, and all these known commodities.
It's a lot different if every year we're going to
start to see one, if not both teams be fresh faces.
We can't have the same conversations when you're actually introducing
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the world to these teams as opposed to Lebron. Who
I mean, how many times with Lebron'm into the finals
by eight and nine times? So we know his story.
It's a different when it's a news story and they've
done a terrible job telling a new story in this playoffs,
but specifically in these finals.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now, I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Jerry Brewer again with us courtesy at Northwest Handling Systems,
joins us every Tuesday four right here on ninety three
three KJR And Jerry, I'm curious about you know your
thoughts on what's going on with the Mariners. You know,
Chuck was on with us on Friday from the Rainiers,
and I think his quote was there in a bad way.
And then they went out and they swept the Guardians
obviously just three games, but then lost last night in
a very twenty twenty four ish type of game. And
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I looked it up before the show that the Mariner
record was Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Luis Castillo on
the mound. Since the start of last year, one hundred
and twenty two starts, they're fifty nine and sixty three
with those three guys on the mound. All three have
eras well under four and they're just not winning games
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even with these starting pitchers. And you know, I told
Jackson in the first segment of the show to that
I'm just kind of worried about what this franchise is
doing right now with the way they're underachieving to the
future of their fan base, meaning they're giving young kids
a lot of reasons to just pick a new team
to roof for pal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah. Man, that's that blows my mind, like that shades
of Felix. You know, I mean a lot of times
I feel like they have three Felixes, Iwakuma and Cliff
Lee for the fifteen starts that he made in Seattle,
all in their same rotation, and they're not getting it done.
They're really regressing to what they were before. Like the
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offense was able to keep them afloat while all the
pitchers were hurt. Now they're back, and it likes, I mean,
we've been through the rotation once and like it really
feels like like those guys are ready to start putting
the innings together and being what they've always been. But
now the offense is like really in the tank. Your
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bigger question having a thirteen year old and a nine
year old in the house and seeing and they are
Seattle kids and seeing how they're experiencing the Mariners and
other Seattle teams. You know, I'll watch it, you know
if the game the game is at least on in
the background every single night, and you know it's like, hey,
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come come down and watch like four innings with me.
It's like I don't want to watch. They're gonna lose. Wow.
And so like that mentality concerns me. The mentality in
general of you know, when you have young children, they're
not in the sports like we were in the sports,
even though Dad as a sports writer and all this,
they're not most of them aren't as obsessed, you know,
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as observers as we were. So all of those things,
like really do concern me that you have these moments, right,
Like I'm telling the man, you know, they've won seven
out of ten, they're really good. Let's sit down and
watch this game. You know, you sit down and watch
the game, and not only do they lose, but like
no action in the game, right, you know, which is
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like the worst, right, Like it's one thing if you're
losing seven to six, and like it was all these
fireworks that keep them interested. But they're like, yeah, you
know they got they walk to guys, you know, first
and second, none out up, you know, out up, strikeout out.
They don't even like move the runner over, like and
then they're like, oh, I'm going to go do something else, Dad,
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And I'm just sitting here, you know, on my butt
in the basement watching the game by myself. Right.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, Swarry, yesterday of five point thirty, Satie and I
got into a nice little debate with Dick over what
we saw the rough Devers trade. That's agreement by the way,
I mean really it did kind of raise to some
high levels because Dick was all saying, well, look at this,
You're gonna be end up paying Raphaeld Devers till Jerry
Depoto is ninety years old, and you know it would
be on John Stanton's books for the rest of his
life and all the money, money, money, money, money, and
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Sophie were saying, yeah, but you know, if you have
to give up Emerson Hancock and look at what you
need on the offensive end. And I'm wondering where you
stand on on that deal with between Boston and San Francisco,
if the Mariners should have been on it, if they
should have offered a similar deal, and how much finances
play a role when you need such an offensive piece
like a Devors, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know, in general, Jackson and I am just like this
unemotional observer of sports, right, and I have to cover everything,
but the fact that I watch the Mariners down there
every night and follow them even when I'm on the
road and can't watch them on television, like I want
to see them have nice things, you know, I see
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a half of a great baseball team, maybe even sixty
percent of a great baseball team. And it really does
frustrate me more than just the average reporter when you
see a move like that and you can't even consider
whether the Mariners could have done that because it's just
totally off the books, and we have been conditioned that
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they're not going to spend any money. They're not gonna
do this, They're not going to do that. We scrutinize
weird stuff like I never understand in sports while we're
concerned about the owner's wallets. Why you know, like you're
you're sitting here and you've been in the same mode
for like five years where you're sixty percent of the
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way there. It's like, let's let's get it done and
who no one. I'll put it this, no one will
care about the remaining one hundred and fifty million dollars
on Rafael contract if he's the difference maker that gets
it done. And so that's what the giant. The Giants
are sitting there thinking, you know what, Hey, I'm not
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gonna worry about what his contract is in twenty thirty one,
Like if we can get past the Dodgers and get
to another World Series or win the World Series, nobody's
gonna worry about this. And it's also baseball. You know,
everything is tradable in some way. You might have to
eat some of the money to trade it. You might
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have to trade a prospect you really don't want to trade.
But all of these things are movable, and I wouldn't
be scared by numbers. I'm not scared off by anything.
I just want to see players. And I still look
at this lineup once again, and I know last week
I said there was you know, only two guys who
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really scare you in that lineup, and one of them Julio,
who's been a bit of an underachiever at the plate,
at least not as an overall player at the plate.
I'll put a third one in there, okay, because JP
is headed to the All Star Game this year and
he deserves it and wonderful for him. That's still six
other spots in the in the lineup that don't I mean,
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they they don't scare me at all. And so like
when I look at the Mariners, I look at him
and I'm like, your two good bats and one average
bat still away from being where you need to be.
Like that's what and that's why when they when they
go against like true championship teams, it's like really struggling
to get one out of the three or getting swept
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or you know, all of these things, right like unless
and then we have the one moment against like the
Padres in which they play really well and then you
think it's on. But then like, uh, they come back
to the pack against bad teams. They have a regular
season problem, Like and we all hang on to this
dream of like if we could just get this rotation
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to the postseason. Uh, they can't even get to the postseason.
And part of that is the fact that they just
haven't invested enough in the team. And once again, you
are sixty percent of the way there, and like, have
you ever like you ever like try to run like
a five k. We won't even say like a ten
k or a half or a marathon, No, but like
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you're on a five k and you're but you're almost
to the end, and it's like do you really want
to like stop and eat and drink some water or
do you want to say that you finished it even
if you've got to walk, even if you've got to
crawl to the end. And I just don't see that
desire for them to get to the end of the race,
and that's really frustrating.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Man Well said, It's like I've always said, can you
imagine celebrating a World Series Championship Game seven in Seattle,
Raphael Dever's game winning home run to win the World
Series for the first time, and you and I are
jumping up and down going this is great. But what
are we doing about the thirty three million in two
thirty How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Jerry?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, get out of here. Great stuff, dude, you're
the man. We're the rest of the week and we'll
talk next Tuesday, Pitts Jerry, all right, anytime, Jerry Brewer
with us A lot there, I want to respond to
lots next On ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
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Speaker 3 (18:26):
Thanks to Jerry Brewer jumping on the air, Sawtie Dick
Jackson Dick at Jackson in for Dick until five o'clock
to night until hockey we did not talk Club World
Cup with Jerry Brewer, who ran out of time, so
we'll get his take on all that coming up next Tuesday.
I do have a challenge for you, though, pull It's
free to play, Okay, it cost you nothing but your pride.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Ok all right?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
So tomorrow in Philadelphia h Manchester City. I believe it's
pronounced why dad Ac it's a Moroccan soccer team. Is
that corrects exactly right? Tomorrow in Philadelphia? How much do
you think tickets are to get in? If you can
get it within five dollars, I'll give you the amount
of money that venue Kings dot com is asking to
get in the door for the game tomorrow in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm within five bucks. Luster minus five bucks can't be
that much much. Let me get twenty three dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Twenty three dollars, he says, twenty three dollars, give you
one chance to change your mind.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Twenty three dollars going once.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I want to stay with twenty three. Twenty three would
be fifty eight bucks to get in the front door.
That's impressive. At eight dollars, I thought that was reek.
You think that's impressive, I think it's weak. But whatever,
it's fifty eight bucks. You want to go watch Manchester City,
one of the premier English Premier League teams in Philadelphia.
You can see him for fifty eight dollars. The game
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with PSG, by the way, is on Monday, is that right?
Center's PSG by the way. Every time I say PSG,
I want to say PXG, PSG and the Sounders. It's
over one hundred bucks to get in the door. Let
me a Club World Cup on on Monday afternoon. So
yeah's all right, all right? Well, big thanks to Jerry Brewer.
Great stuff out of him, man. He was very passionate,
factually correct. The statistical analysis is off the charts. That's
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why we're pay him the big bucks, by the way,
and I threw that number at him.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That and you guys might be surprised.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Since the start of last season, in the last one
hundred and twenty two games with Logan Gilbert, George Kirby
and Luis Castillo, the Mariners are fifty nine and sixty three.
They are four games under five hundred as a team
with those three guys on the mound. Before you go
off and say, well they've had bad years, well no,
Logan Gilbert three to one three ERA since then, Kirby three,
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eight to two, Castillo three to five to three since then,
all three of them have eras well under four and
they're four games under five hundred with those guys on
the mound. And I just think again the conversation we
had yesterday about Raphael Devers.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
You know, it infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I know it infuriates you, and I kind of feel
bad talking bind his back and he's not here to
defend himself, but I mean, Dix nuts, he's just crazy.
Like again, Okay, the money's a lot of money. Yeah,
but winning championships cost money. Winning titles in baseball typically
does cost you money, exactly. If you want to win championships,
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you have to be serious about the investment. And this
is now the second person in the last week or
so that's come on the radio show and kind of
been a little bit annoyed with the Mariner's lack of
ability or concern or desire to shed the labels that
follow them all over baseball. Larry stone Man, you'd think
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the guys would want to wake up every day and
shed this label of being the only team to never
play in the World Series. Jerry Brewer last segment. Their
inability or lack of a desire to even want to
finish the race and win a championship desperately is off
the chart. So I've made this analogy before, and I
know it's a stupid one, but you know me and movies.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You ever see the.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Movie Sinderellaman with Russell Crowe, Okay, and there's a scene
where Paul Giamatti, who plays his manager in the movie,
his wife, Russell Crow's wife played by Renee Zelwood, goes
and pounds on his door. Cannot believe what he's doing.
This is unbelievable. My husband needs to retire. Blah blah blah,
you're gonna get him killed. Yeah, and he act and
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he opens the door and inside his condominium or apartment
in New York City, there's like one chair, and she
realizes that he has sold everything he owns so that
her husband can train and fight to become a world champion.
I am asking John Stanton and Chris Larson and every
other owner of that baseball team to have that same mentality.
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Sell it all everything you own to win a World Series.
Give it all up, everything you've got in your possession,
cash it, out, sell it, and go win us a
damn World Series. You know why, because when you do,
everything you own and everything you possess is gonna be
quadrupled in value if you do what we think you're
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capable of doing, or at least you know what, within reason,
have that mentality. And I don't think those guys have
that mentality.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Of course not, of course they don't have that mentality.
I mean, the reality is they've set up budget for
this team, and you can look at the overall payroll
of the Seattle Manners going back the last five years,
and you can see the trend of exactly the budget
they put on this club. You can see the numbers
you can see and even with you know, the additions
and mid season trades, whatever, they fit it within a
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tight budget. And all we're asking for is for them
to expand that budget and say, we know you have
the cash, We've seen the revenue, we've seen the money
that this ball club brings in. So we're just asking John,
We're just asking Chris, expand your budget based on that, maybe,
for lack of a better word, sure be a little
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bit less greedy.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well yeah, and look, I mean I don't know how
much money he's got. I have no idea how much
money they're worth. All we know is what Google and
AI tell us. I mean, for all I know, those
guys are you know, beyond baseball, they're broke. I have
no frickin' eye we can see the revenue. I have
no idea correct. And again, this this is just it
really is. It's a tiresome conversation that you know, there's
no good time or bad time to bring it up.
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I'm just talking about it in relation to what Jerry
just told us that and his point was spot on
that when there's a trade, when a guy like Raphael
Devers becomes available, we can't even think about being involved, right,
We just can't think about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's like growing up the Final Four as a Husky
basketball fan not for me, super Bowl as a Seahawk fan.
It was not for me when I was nine, ten
years old. World Series not for us. We're not a
part of that. So when a big offer or a
big player like that becomes available, we can't even think
about getting involved. We're just done. We're just out. And
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I'm reminded. I know we're later for a second, but
just real quick. The Odor of the Phillies. His name
is John Middleton, and he had this phenomenal quote. I
think it was from a couple of years ago. Imagine
John Stanton saying this, nobody cares about whether I make
money or not. It's a stewardship. We have an obligation
and we are accountable to the fans and of the city.
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If you don't approach it that way, you should not
be an owner. In my opinion, what a concept. That's
what John Middleton said. And guess what the Phillies do.
They play in the World Series. They won a championship.
They're very good. Because of his attitude, it may not
work every year, but consistently the cream will rise to
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the top. Imagine how aroused you would be if you
heard that from our guys. Okay, my god, that's like
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Now with Jerry Brewer, here's softy Indian.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I just realized Jackson, that when Jerry Brewer comes on
the air, it's very rare that both me and Dick
are here at the same time.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm gone, He's gone. Whatever I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It does give me a chance to play my favorite
Ghostbusters drop when Dick fan is not his.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yes, it's true. This man has no Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I know a big Ghostbusters fan as well when I
see one. Jerry Brewer joins us on the radio show. Jerry,
how are you pal?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm great man. It's great to hear your voice back
to normal.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Also, oh god, dude, brutal for a guy that does
a radio show for a living. Not having a voice
is a little bit of a prop It'd be like
if somebody cut off all your fingers. Although there's probably
technology available now where you could still write a column.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right, yeah, but it just wouldn't be the same. It
wouldn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How often have you actually used voice to text to
like write a column that was published.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Never?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Never?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Never? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How often do you use it to send a text
message to your wife?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
There's some times when I absolutely have to if I'm
kind of like on the move, you know, walking or
you know, if I if I have to get a
message off or I get a stop sign or some
stoplight or something, but not very often, Like I'm old school.
I mean, if I could, if I could write to
text right literally with it with a pencil or a
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pen I'd be the fool who did that.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I mean, the question is, softie, how many times do
you not use voice to send a message.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, there's two things. Number one and I want both
your takes on this chair ast with you. I feel
like we now know what it was like to live
ten thousand years ago when people used to communicate with
pictures and caves. By the way, because now we're doing
that with emojis. I mean, that's all emojis.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
I literally just texted Jerry and emoji five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like Jerry, they're just they're they're hieroglyphics for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I mean, how many text messages.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I don't know how old your oldest kid is, but
how many text messages do you get from you know,
young people and they don't even use words. They just
send you pictures to express whatever the hell they're thinking.
That is hieroglyphics circa twenty twenty five. And then number two.
Every time I use voice to text, it never works.
I gotta go back, and I got I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Write it all over again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And yeah, you still use it fricking iPhone can't understand
what the hell I'm talking about?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Is it me?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Or is it the phone? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah? Why do you even do it when you have
to edit it? It's twice the long to edit it
as it would to write it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Exactly. Unbelievable, man, terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well, just do me a favor, use your fingers, use
your voice, use means necessary, and get a message to
Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers please to pull their
heads out of their ass and get it done in
game six tomorrow. Jerry, we are forty eight minutes away
from Armageddon, a stain on America, a stain on the
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NBA that will never be washed off. If the thunder
win this championship tomorrow night, I have resigned myself to
the inevitability that it's over, and I'm wondering if you're
doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah. Really, ever since they blew out Denver in Game
seven of the second round, I've been preparing myself for
the fact that they could win it. I just I
didn't think that Minnesota was going to put up a
much of a fight, and they didn't. I'm really impressed
with Indiana, but it just seems, it seems with Halliburton
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and this injury, now, I just don't know how they're
going to muster up enough to win both of the
next two. I wouldn't be surprised if they win on
Thursday night, but then I could just see him getting
blown out in game seven.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I mean, Jerry, that's the question is where does the
hope come from? Like for us here in Seattle and
for those in Indiana, Like, what do you write if
Haliburton can't go and that's what we're kind of starting
to see. Then where does the hope lie with the Pacers?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well as the hope would lie in Rick Carlisle. The
fact that he's won a championship before, and he's I
would say he's top five, top seven coach in the NBA,
and the way their system works. You know, they kind
of have an offense that you know, a lot of
people call their offense flow, but I call their offense
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flow with a capital S because I think they just
run a free flowing style better than anyone in the NBA.
And you saw how well McConnell played in the minutes
that he that he was given last night. So I
think for a game you could muster up enough to
extend the series and then you're putting a lot of
pressure on a young team at home in game seven
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as an overwhelming favorite coming in and then you just
see what happens in a game seven. I think that's
probably the road for them. But Carlisle is gonna have
to dial up something really cool. I mean, maybe they
just play crazy fast, but the problem is when you
play that way is the turnovers. And I mean Haliburton
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is if he's not number one and assist a turnover
every year. He's like number two or number three. And
if you're taking him, if you're putting him in a
situation in which he's a liability on the floor, you're
not going to be able to have him just as
a ball mover. He's not gonna score. He just I
mean the way he's moving. Unless he makes like six
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seven threes and has one of those Isaiah Thomas against
the Lakers kind of games, I just don't see him
being much of a scoring threat. But can't he be
out there and move well enough for them to play
his own defense or something, just so that they don't
turn the ball over thirty times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, maybe Sga, I'll slip on a wet spot and
pull his groin or something. There's the hope or whatever, right,
I mean, I'm not rooting for anything horrible. I mean,
you know what, Look, he wants to blow his knee out.
He'll recover, he'll be fine, But something like that, right,
you know, just go slip on a spot that wasn't
cleaned up by one of the kids out there and
pull all groin and maybe you can't go and maybe
(06:25):
che Holmgren, you know, gets into a fender bender and
he's just emotionally unstable and he can't play tonight or tomorrow.
That's the hope Jackson. But Jerry brewers with us and Jerry,
I want to go back to something you said a
week ago. I think it was when you said you
didn't like the way ESPN was talking about the NBA,
and we played a clip and fun with audio last
segment where steven A said that if Giannis does not
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win another title, he's underachieved. And look, I mean that's
just obviously a matter of opinion. When you win a
championship that early in your career, I could see how
the bar would be raised tremendously. But Jay Williams called
him out on it on TV. I think it was
yesterday over his take. So when you say you don't
like the way ESPN talks about the NBA, expand on that.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean I think that even when they're doing
free and halftime show, it feels like first take colon
NBA Edition instead of it instead of it. Like when
I'm watching a game, I'm so locked into the game.
I want to know what's happening. I need a player
or just like someone who is just great an analysis
(07:28):
to explain to me why this team is turning the
ball over, explaining that fifteen to four run to me,
explain something that I don't know because I'm lost in
the game. I don't need to hear about legacy and
this guy needs to step up. I can tell you
when a guy is three four eleven at halftime that
he needs to step up. I need to know like
what the defense is doing to influence him, right, Like,
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those are the kinds of things I just think they're
they're so obsessed with ratings on what happens like during
their daytime programming that they forget that even though stephen
A is the ESPN franchise, we don't need stephen A
breaking down games or not breaking down games. He's sitting
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there playing Solitaire during the game, and you see the
video of that where he was talking about he was
doing it and a break in the action, and the
video actually showed that he was doing it in the
middle of the action. So like, you're bored and all
you're willing to talk about is like three topics as
loud as you possibly can. The problem becomes then, like
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the NBA is really leaning into all this parody, and
with parody, you have a bunch of teams and players
that you don't really know, and so you need your
television partner to help educate the fan base so that
they might be interested in some of these teams. And
it's a different banana when you've got the Lakers and
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Lebron all the time, or Steph and the step Kerry
and the Warriors all the time, and all these known commodities.
It's a lot different if every year we're going to
start to see one, if not both teams be fresh faces.
We can't have the same conversations when you're actually introducing
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the world to these teams as opposed to Lebron. Who
I mean, how many times with Lebron'm into the finals
by eight and nine times? So we know his story.
It's a different when it's a news story and they've
done a terrible job telling a new story in this playoffs,
but specifically in these finals.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now, I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Jerry Brewer again with us courtesy at Northwest Handling Systems,
joins us every Tuesday four right here on ninety three
three KJR And Jerry, I'm curious about you know your
thoughts on what's going on with the Mariners. You know,
Chuck was on with us on Friday from the Rainiers,
and I think his quote was there in a bad way.
And then they went out and they swept the Guardians
obviously just three games, but then lost last night in
a very twenty twenty four ish type of game. And
(09:56):
I looked it up before the show that the Mariner
record was Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Luis Castillo on
the mound. Since the start of last year, one hundred
and twenty two starts, they're fifty nine and sixty three
with those three guys on the mound. All three have
eras well under four and they're just not winning games
(10:18):
even with these starting pitchers. And you know, I told
Jackson in the first segment of the show to that
I'm just kind of worried about what this franchise is
doing right now with the way they're underachieving to the
future of their fan base, meaning they're giving young kids
a lot of reasons to just pick a new team
to roof for pal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah. Man, that's that blows my mind, like that shades
of Felix. You know, I mean a lot of times
I feel like they have three Felixes, Iwakuma and Cliff
Lee for the fifteen starts that he made in Seattle,
all in their same rotation, and they're not getting it done.
They're really regressing to what they were before. Like the
(10:59):
offense was able to keep them afloat while all the
pitchers were hurt. Now they're back, and it likes, I mean,
we've been through the rotation once and like it really
feels like like those guys are ready to start putting
the innings together and being what they've always been. But
now the offense is like really in the tank. Your
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bigger question having a thirteen year old and a nine
year old in the house and seeing and they are
Seattle kids and seeing how they're experiencing the Mariners and
other Seattle teams. You know, I'll watch it, you know
if the game the game is at least on in
the background every single night, and you know it's like, hey,
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come come down and watch like four innings with me.
It's like I don't want to watch. They're gonna lose. Wow.
And so like that mentality concerns me. The mentality in
general of you know, when you have young children, they're
not in the sports like we were in the sports,
even though Dad as a sports writer and all this,
they're not most of them aren't as obsessed, you know,
(12:05):
as observers as we were. So all of those things,
like really do concern me that you have these moments, right,
Like I'm telling the man, you know, they've won seven
out of ten, they're really good. Let's sit down and
watch this game. You know, you sit down and watch
the game, and not only do they lose, but like
no action in the game, right, you know, which is
(12:26):
like the worst, right, Like it's one thing if you're
losing seven to six, and like it was all these
fireworks that keep them interested. But they're like, yeah, you
know they got they walk to guys, you know, first
and second, none out up, you know, out up, strikeout out.
They don't even like move the runner over, like and
then they're like, oh, I'm going to go do something else, Dad,
(12:49):
And I'm just sitting here, you know, on my butt
in the basement watching the game by myself. Right.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, Swarry, yesterday of five point thirty, Satie and I
got into a nice little debate with Dick over what
we saw the rough Devers trade. That's agreement by the way,
I mean really it did kind of raise to some
high levels because Dick was all saying, well, look at this,
You're gonna be end up paying Raphaeld Devers till Jerry
Depoto is ninety years old, and you know it would
be on John Stanton's books for the rest of his
life and all the money, money, money, money, money, and
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Sophie were saying, yeah, but you know, if you have
to give up Emerson Hancock and look at what you
need on the offensive end. And I'm wondering where you
stand on on that deal with between Boston and San Francisco,
if the Mariners should have been on it, if they
should have offered a similar deal, and how much finances
play a role when you need such an offensive piece
like a Devors, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know, in general, Jackson and I am just like this
unemotional observer of sports, right, and I have to cover everything,
but the fact that I watch the Mariners down there
every night and follow them even when I'm on the
road and can't watch them on television, like I want
to see them have nice things, you know, I see
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a half of a great baseball team, maybe even sixty
percent of a great baseball team. And it really does
frustrate me more than just the average reporter when you
see a move like that and you can't even consider
whether the Mariners could have done that because it's just
totally off the books, and we have been conditioned that
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they're not going to spend any money. They're not gonna
do this, They're not going to do that. We scrutinize
weird stuff like I never understand in sports while we're
concerned about the owner's wallets. Why you know, like you're
you're sitting here and you've been in the same mode
for like five years where you're sixty percent of the
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way there. It's like, let's let's get it done and
who no one. I'll put it this, no one will
care about the remaining one hundred and fifty million dollars
on Rafael contract if he's the difference maker that gets
it done. And so that's what the giant. The Giants
are sitting there thinking, you know what, Hey, I'm not
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gonna worry about what his contract is in twenty thirty one,
Like if we can get past the Dodgers and get
to another World Series or win the World Series, nobody's
gonna worry about this. And it's also baseball. You know,
everything is tradable in some way. You might have to
eat some of the money to trade it. You might
(15:29):
have to trade a prospect you really don't want to trade.
But all of these things are movable, and I wouldn't
be scared by numbers. I'm not scared off by anything.
I just want to see players. And I still look
at this lineup once again, and I know last week
I said there was you know, only two guys who
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really scare you in that lineup, and one of them Julio,
who's been a bit of an underachiever at the plate,
at least not as an overall player at the plate.
I'll put a third one in there, okay, because JP
is headed to the All Star Game this year and
he deserves it and wonderful for him. That's still six
other spots in the in the lineup that don't I mean,
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they they don't scare me at all. And so like
when I look at the Mariners, I look at him
and I'm like, your two good bats and one average
bat still away from being where you need to be.
Like that's what and that's why when they when they
go against like true championship teams, it's like really struggling
to get one out of the three or getting swept
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or you know, all of these things, right like unless
and then we have the one moment against like the
Padres in which they play really well and then you
think it's on. But then like, uh, they come back
to the pack against bad teams. They have a regular
season problem, Like and we all hang on to this
dream of like if we could just get this rotation
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to the postseason. Uh, they can't even get to the postseason.
And part of that is the fact that they just
haven't invested enough in the team. And once again, you
are sixty percent of the way there, and like, have
you ever like you ever like try to run like
a five k. We won't even say like a ten
k or a half or a marathon, No, but like
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you're on a five k and you're but you're almost
to the end, and it's like do you really want
to like stop and eat and drink some water or
do you want to say that you finished it even
if you've got to walk, even if you've got to
crawl to the end. And I just don't see that
desire for them to get to the end of the race,
and that's really frustrating.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Man Well said, It's like I've always said, can you
imagine celebrating a World Series Championship Game seven in Seattle,
Raphael Dever's game winning home run to win the World
Series for the first time, and you and I are
jumping up and down going this is great. But what
are we doing about the thirty three million in two
thirty How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Jerry?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, get out of here. Great stuff, dude, you're
the man. We're the rest of the week and we'll
talk next Tuesday, Pitts Jerry, all right, anytime, Jerry Brewer
with us A lot there, I want to respond to
lots next On ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
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Speaker 3 (18:26):
Thanks to Jerry Brewer jumping on the air, Sawtie Dick
Jackson Dick at Jackson in for Dick until five o'clock
to night until hockey we did not talk Club World
Cup with Jerry Brewer, who ran out of time, so
we'll get his take on all that coming up next Tuesday.
I do have a challenge for you, though, pull It's
free to play, Okay, it cost you nothing but your pride.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Ok all right?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
So tomorrow in Philadelphia h Manchester City. I believe it's
pronounced why dad Ac it's a Moroccan soccer team. Is
that corrects exactly right? Tomorrow in Philadelphia? How much do
you think tickets are to get in? If you can
get it within five dollars, I'll give you the amount
of money that venue Kings dot com is asking to
get in the door for the game tomorrow in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm within five bucks. Luster minus five bucks can't be
that much much. Let me get twenty three dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Twenty three dollars, he says, twenty three dollars, give you
one chance to change your mind.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Twenty three dollars going once.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I want to stay with twenty three. Twenty three would
be fifty eight bucks to get in the front door.
That's impressive. At eight dollars, I thought that was reek.
You think that's impressive, I think it's weak. But whatever,
it's fifty eight bucks. You want to go watch Manchester City,
one of the premier English Premier League teams in Philadelphia.
You can see him for fifty eight dollars. The game
(19:38):
with PSG, by the way, is on Monday, is that right?
Center's PSG by the way. Every time I say PSG,
I want to say PXG, PSG and the Sounders. It's
over one hundred bucks to get in the door. Let
me a Club World Cup on on Monday afternoon. So
yeah's all right, all right? Well, big thanks to Jerry Brewer.
Great stuff out of him, man. He was very passionate,
factually correct. The statistical analysis is off the charts. That's
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why we're pay him the big bucks, by the way,
and I threw that number at him.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That and you guys might be surprised.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Since the start of last season, in the last one
hundred and twenty two games with Logan Gilbert, George Kirby
and Luis Castillo, the Mariners are fifty nine and sixty three.
They are four games under five hundred as a team
with those three guys on the mound. Before you go
off and say, well they've had bad years, well no,
Logan Gilbert three to one three ERA since then, Kirby three,
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eight to two, Castillo three to five to three since then,
all three of them have eras well under four and
they're four games under five hundred with those guys on
the mound. And I just think again the conversation we
had yesterday about Raphael Devers.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
You know, it infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I know it infuriates you, and I kind of feel
bad talking bind his back and he's not here to
defend himself, but I mean, Dix nuts, he's just crazy.
Like again, Okay, the money's a lot of money. Yeah,
but winning championships cost money. Winning titles in baseball typically
does cost you money, exactly. If you want to win championships,
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you have to be serious about the investment. And this
is now the second person in the last week or
so that's come on the radio show and kind of
been a little bit annoyed with the Mariner's lack of
ability or concern or desire to shed the labels that
follow them all over baseball. Larry stone Man, you'd think
(21:28):
the guys would want to wake up every day and
shed this label of being the only team to never
play in the World Series. Jerry Brewer last segment. Their
inability or lack of a desire to even want to
finish the race and win a championship desperately is off
the chart. So I've made this analogy before, and I
know it's a stupid one, but you know me and movies.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You ever see the.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Movie Sinderellaman with Russell Crowe, Okay, and there's a scene
where Paul Giamatti, who plays his manager in the movie,
his wife, Russell Crow's wife played by Renee Zelwood, goes
and pounds on his door. Cannot believe what he's doing.
This is unbelievable. My husband needs to retire. Blah blah blah,
you're gonna get him killed. Yeah, and he act and
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he opens the door and inside his condominium or apartment
in New York City, there's like one chair, and she
realizes that he has sold everything he owns so that
her husband can train and fight to become a world champion.
I am asking John Stanton and Chris Larson and every
other owner of that baseball team to have that same mentality.
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Sell it all everything you own to win a World Series.
Give it all up, everything you've got in your possession,
cash it, out, sell it, and go win us a
damn World Series. You know why, because when you do,
everything you own and everything you possess is gonna be
quadrupled in value if you do what we think you're
(22:55):
capable of doing, or at least you know what, within reason,
have that mentality. And I don't think those guys have
that mentality.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Of course not, of course they don't have that mentality.
I mean, the reality is they've set up budget for
this team, and you can look at the overall payroll
of the Seattle Manners going back the last five years,
and you can see the trend of exactly the budget
they put on this club. You can see the numbers
you can see and even with you know, the additions
and mid season trades, whatever, they fit it within a
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tight budget. And all we're asking for is for them
to expand that budget and say, we know you have
the cash, We've seen the revenue, we've seen the money
that this ball club brings in. So we're just asking John,
We're just asking Chris, expand your budget based on that, maybe,
for lack of a better word, sure be a little
(23:46):
bit less greedy.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well yeah, and look, I mean I don't know how
much money he's got. I have no idea how much
money they're worth. All we know is what Google and
AI tell us. I mean, for all I know, those
guys are you know, beyond baseball, they're broke. I have
no frickin' eye we can see the revenue. I have
no idea correct. And again, this this is just it
really is. It's a tiresome conversation that you know, there's
no good time or bad time to bring it up.
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I'm just talking about it in relation to what Jerry
just told us that and his point was spot on
that when there's a trade, when a guy like Raphael
Devers becomes available, we can't even think about being involved, right,
We just can't think about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's like growing up the Final Four as a Husky
basketball fan not for me, super Bowl as a Seahawk fan.
It was not for me when I was nine, ten
years old. World Series not for us. We're not a
part of that. So when a big offer or a
big player like that becomes available, we can't even think
about getting involved. We're just done. We're just out. And
(24:41):
I'm reminded. I know we're later for a second, but
just real quick. The Odor of the Phillies. His name
is John Middleton, and he had this phenomenal quote. I
think it was from a couple of years ago. Imagine
John Stanton saying this, nobody cares about whether I make
money or not. It's a stewardship. We have an obligation
and we are accountable to the fans and of the city.
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If you don't approach it that way, you should not
be an owner. In my opinion, what a concept. That's
what John Middleton said. And guess what the Phillies do.
They play in the World Series. They won a championship.
They're very good. Because of his attitude, it may not
work every year, but consistently the cream will rise to
(25:22):
the top. Imagine how aroused you would be if you
heard that from our guys. Okay, my god, that's like
you and me speaking Chinese. For God's sake, it will
never happen.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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