November 24, 2025 • 33 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Hugh Millen about the Seahawks win in Tennessee, Jaxon Smith-Njigba’s massive season, Sam Darnold, the IR list for Seattle, UW facing Oregon this week, Demond Williams and Jonah Coleman.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we go joining us hurt them on
(00:02):
the air today, but I was left wanting more yet
again Monday at four o'clock. I want a little more
at four with our friend here wee.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't listen to you often because you're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Millon, how are you pell? What's happening? Boys? I'm will
I got a lot.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Of great drops of yours, by the way, that was
just so bitching, so many good ones.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I like the bush one.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You like the bush one?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh yeah, I got you that one.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I gotta find that. No, I'm not going to delete it.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know, I'm leading that. I'm in charge here at hell. Okay,
I'm in charge. I have the I have the mic,
you have the con, I have the cod. Well, let's
talk about yesterday, like we always do. If you from
thirty five thousand, would you make of the win over Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I think we're just sometimes we're just starved for news.
And the fact is that that wasn't a very newsworthy game.
I mean, you're you're playing, you know, on on the uh.
In golf, there's always the easiest hole, the easiest index,
and you played a short part four not particularly particularly difficult,
you get a part, you get your par and uh,
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you stayed healthy. That's what you wanted to do. Was
it the uh Rembrandt artistically?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But was it sufficient?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Was yes?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Did it make you uh excessively nervous at any point? No?
I think they just handled business and and coming off
that ram loss somewhat predictable, Seahawks have been a very
good team at hammering inferior opponents. They for the most part,
were yesterday they allowed a back door cover. Guess what
if you have a you know, they're eight and three.
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If you what are they on the pace for? Call
it eleven and six, twelve and five hopefully, uh, you know,
twelve and five of those twelve wins, you know there's
going to be two or three. Uh where you know,
somebody back door covers you. It's no big deal. So
I just think that they're exactly where they want to be.
(02:04):
And I think Mike McDonald likes the opportunity, yeah, to
teach some lessons based on a little bit of a
lack of focus. Somewhere, some poor bastard Dick blew the
kid's college fund and Dick's and he was on the
air saying it's not a big deal, A big deal,
not a big deal whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I was getting divorced, I might go to prison,
my kids never going to college.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
But not a big deal to you, Hugh come oh man, Well,
I mean here it was turning into a rem man.
I mean, it was twenty three to three, and we
thought it's I mean, at some point it could turn
into forty to ten in that game.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It just didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So how disappointed should we be at all, if at
all about the last twenty minutes of the football game
twenty five minutes of the football game.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, the on the punt return numbers one, nineteen, ninety four,
and fifty all got out of position, and so you
know that was kind of I think the blame was divided,
you know, to give up a ninety yard part return
when the Sea uh went into the game, I believe,
I know when they went in the ram game with
special teams e PA Expected points added were the number
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one special teams group in the in the NFL. So
so look at if you're going to keep up a
ninety yard return, don't you want to do it to
the Titans? Yes, yes, you know, and you know because
that can that can sharpen you up. I mean, if
you look at the goal line stand and the intensity
that the Seahawks defense had against the Rams. That literally,
I'm not even kidding you. When I talked about it
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on the radio that Monday, the hair on the back
of my neck was standing up. And if you compare
that against when cam Ward was down at the five
six yard line and he scrambled in for that touchdown,
the difference is just is startling right. And the sea yesterday,
the Seaarks were standing tall, no pad level, no intensity,
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no fighting off blocks, and and it was just as
as desparate as you could possibly have a scenario just
a week apart, but for all the reasons we know
were present in the Ram game and in the Titan game.
And it's just it's just reality. It's not in theory.
Sure you would have the insane intensity. Yeah, yeah, you
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know that's not how reality plays out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, humillin's with us.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm talking about Bushes. I don't want it to be
about Dad.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I just wanted you to prove to yourself that you
can still have that clip.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
All right, maybe I'll get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That clip was in regards to the plants and by
the way, just so you people know, Dick and I
were talking about the red zone offense.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, look, I mean first drive.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I know it's not red zone, but you get to
the thirty four, you stall, third drive first and goal
from the two, and then disaster with the penalties field goal,
fourth drive first and ten from the thirteen go backwards
field goal.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And it's been a little bit of a trend, right.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
What were the numbers Dick that you said you had
the last two or three games for the red zone.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Three games or twenty fourth for the season, they were eleven.
So ye season been good scoring touchdowns, right, Not in
the last three last three games. There's a little bit
of a mini trend of settling for field goals that
I don't like, and I don't want to see it
to see it continue.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
What's going on there.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I couldn't agree more. I think that they've been at
times conservative where you know, they got predictable handing the
ball off on first down and then you know they're
facing because because the defenses up, they're facing you know,
second and eight. I think that was a problem. I
think that they're passing game. They didn't have enough players,
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you know, I think when teams are really smoking in
the red zone. You have you know, maybe two, possibly
three players potential touchdowns, and and quarterbacks are taught touchdown checkdown.
But when I look and I say, wait a minute,
there's not even anybody. You're passing the ball but there's
nobody in the end zone or maybe there's just one
and you know they're carrying through that seam. The safety's
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over the top because there's no other threats vertically. So
I think some of the scheme was conservative. At think
the play calling on first down was conservative. And then
you know, I thought there was some brilliant execution. Man,
I could talk for ten minutes on that one play
that Jackson Smith caught in the back of the end zone,
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but he was only a foot out of bounds. I mean,
you know your balls on the left hash he set
a flood to the left to get Jackson Smith and
Jigba on a quarters coverage, you know, to the white
side of the field. He has a tight split because
of the hash. He nods out, gets the corner leaning
because because of the split, you figure, well he's got
to defend the seven route. What's the seven route? The
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corner out the outbreaking round he nods to the seven
back of the end zone. Unbelievable timing by Sam Darnold,
and literally you're talking about the highest, most exquisite level
of precision on that play, but you're, you know, eight
inches out of bounds. So I think, you know, they're close.
I think that, And then the second half when they
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got their touchdown, I think that they are. They're starting
to get more guys in the back of the end zone.
I just like opportunities to throw the ball high in
the back of the end zone or at the shoes,
you know, shoe laces at the front of the end zone.
And we saw a little bit more of that. But
I agree with you, it's got to get better.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Here.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
In the first nine games of the season, Knine had
only eleven catches on twelve targets. He has six catches
on seven targets, including his two longest receptions of the
season in the last two games. Is this a concerted
effort or is this just kind of coincidence that he's
getting open front?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I hope. So, you know, in all the years, in
my geeky way of looking at football, I have only
seen three statistics that have ever been advanced to be
the highest correlation to winning. One of course is turnovers
right net turnovers, and another one is yards per passe
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attempt net yards per passe attempt, and then the other
is net explosive plays. And I would put that actually
in second place behind turnovers net explosive plays. There's all
kinds of studies that show that that's that's a high
correlation to winning. And so to me, when I look
at okay, Zach Sarbonnat, now he had a nice run
on that touchdown to get outside. But on the balance,
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what I'm looking at Sarbonnet and Kenneth Walker is that
they're both essentially equal. In fact, Walker has a scos
of an advantage in what we would say, just okay,
what's your batting average in terms of what's called success
Forty percent of the needed yards on first down, sixty
percent of the needed yards on second down, and all
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the needed yards on third down. That kind of just like, hey,
are you are you? Are you just keeping ahead of
the chains? That that's just you know, in ignoring the potency.
But then when you say that the explosive rate for
Knine is so much more you just hand the ball
and it's like it's just like you know, pulling off
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of a a card, a deck of cards. At some
point you're gonna draw an ace, you know, just keep
just keep pulling cards, and he is more like hell,
he's gonna give you, you know, face cards at a
far higher rate than anybody else on the team. And
so yes, Dick hand them the ball on the stretch play.
That's their bread and butter on the running play, and
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speed matters on that play. The stretch getting to the
outside when the defense has to flow faster, there's better
cutback lanes. It opens when the defense has to flow
for faster, they it opens up the bootleg around the backside.
I mean, I was in Denver with Alex Gibbs, the
godfather of the outside zone. And then and then his
ability on what's called duo where you where you're you're
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clumping everybody up. It's a strong side run. Everybody's down blocking,
but if the middle linebacker steps up, you can bounce
it to the outside. You need speed on that. So
they're two most favored run schemes. Speed matters throwing him
to the ball and having him check down and sprint
up the sideline. Speed matters. Now, I I don't like
him running out of bounds when a dog on safety
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comes out of him. I don't want him finishing that play.
That's bugging the hell out of me. But he's the
most explosive guy to me. Get him the damn ball
in the running game end.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yes, yeah, that well you just talked about if you're
a nitpick. And I would also say, carry the ball
on the right hand, meaning the proper hand. Too many
times he's got the ball in the wrong hand. Krist
and Michael used to do that. Hewitt would drive me
freaking nuts. And so I'd like to see Kenny Walker
clean that up a little bit because it's gonna lead
to a fumble.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's gonna piss me off. So let's get the ball
on the proper hand.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But look, dude, I'm looking at Jackson Smith and Jigba
and I gotta be honest with you. Every single week
I'm assuming Clint Kobiak and Mike McDonald expect the team
to defend him a certain way. And I don't know
if it's because of the chess game that they're playing
that's getting this guy loose every single weekend.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But this just doesn't stop. It just continues.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Sixty three yard touchdown, fifty six yard catch and run
by Jackson Smith and Jigba eight catches a bucks sixty seven.
He's projected to go over two thousand yards and he's
got a chance to break Calvin Johnson's record in sixteen games.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
When is this gonna stop? Ever?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, it's a great question. It does concern me because
eventually one would think that you're gonna hit a roadblock,
but it hasn't materialized yet. But even you know, things
like yesterday's okay, he was an outside receiver on on
plays and they're giving him free access. I don't know
why they don't roll to them. On occasions they did
roll to them. Hell, there's one time they played cover
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two man on everybody, which is a safety on either half,
and then and bump and run with everybody. But then
the guy over JSN he was split to the far left.
He played what's called cloud his zone, and and and
Jason just comes down a five yard in route. There's
nobody within ten yards. They bust the coverage. It's like,
if you're gonna bust the coverage, how are you busting
on him. There's another time where he on a slant, Well,
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they did roll the coverage to him. So the one
play that you have that you can it's not the
only play, but one of the plays you can beat
that double cover rolled on safety over the top. As
a slant, you start kind of nod to the outside
break back in. As a quarterback, you're looking and you say, well,
I gotta beat the number two defender. Who's the number
two defender count outside in ignoring the safety at that
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third level corners number one, the linebackers number two. So
you're you got to hold in with your eyes. Well,
you got Cooper Cup coming at this safety and at
the number two defender. The number two defender is looking
square at Cooper Cup and and and Darnold literally whistles
it right by his head and he's looking at Cooper
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Cup inside and it's like, did you guys not get
the game plan? That number eleven is the guy that
gets the ball more than ten. So there's stuff that
I keep seeing this confounding, as I said, the free access.
But they're doing a hell of a job motioning. They're
stacking them on releases. You know that sixty three yarder
they motioned JSN from left to right. He's the number
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three guy, counting outside in and so he has free access.
It's man to man and the safety outside. So you
get the safety. Note that part of it to the
safety sitting there thinking, well, I got because there's only
four man rush, I got a deep safety in the
middle helping me to the inside. I've got a shallow,
low hole safety or lurk handle handling and helping me
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to the inside. So I'll just defend the outside stuff. Well,
now it's a corner, that's an outside breaking route. That's
on you, dude. But Jsn's ball skills are so elite.
With the ball deep in the air, those defenders have
a hard time tracking that, turning and locating the ball.
That's why they play defense. JSN is at the I
want to say he's as good as I've ever seen.
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I probably shouldn't say that. I'm probably just you know,
a victim of the moment. But dog gone is he
elite and he keeps just finishing on these incredible plays.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Well, how responsible is the quarterback for Jsn's success. What's
Sam doing that Gino didn't do?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well? He's throwing the ball down the field and accurate,
and the catchable rate has gone up, but particularly the
average depth of target. Last year with Gino, you had
JSN at eight point seven yards per average depth of target.
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That was seventieth out of eighty nine qualifying receivers. Okay,
seventieth out eighty nine. He goes from eight point seven
to this year twelve point five. And his catchable air
yards that's that's not my term, that's in the NFL's
stat portal catchable air yards. Last year, JSN had eight
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hundred and six for the entire season. This year he
already has eight eighty, which is obviously number one in
the NFL. George Pickens is number two at six thirty three,
some two hundred and fifty yards behind him. So what's
happening is they you've got a play caller that is
in a quarterback because it's a joint that decision to
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throw the ball deep. When the play comes into the quarterback,
it's like, hey, this is our this is shot, this
is what we want. But the quarterback, it's like, the
defense is going to tell me where to go right, right, right,
and so. But so the combination of that they're giving
him those opportunities and catchable just means in the judgment
of those doing the film study is that obviously it's
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a catchable ball, so you're getting a real effort to
push the ball down the field. You've got a quarterback
who is a sniper right now with his accuracy down
the field number one in the NFL in the Yardsber
attempt number one in the NFL in the Yardsbert completion,
and JSN with his not just elite but like hyper
elite deep ball skills. All of that is marrying together
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to produce these kind of results.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Well, Darnold's got a passer rating of one hundred and
fifty four point four when targeting Jackson, Smith and Jay
had twenty yards or more down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That is number one in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
This number one in the NFL with receivers with fifteen
targets or more of twenty yards and the average depth
is like thirty. This is not yak by the way,
This is not him catching the ball and then running
thirty yards after he catches the ball. This is air yards.
As you've said, all right here, let's get a break.
I do want to get one more seahawk topic and
then get your thoughts on Demon Williams UCLA game. Jed Fish,
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how about this up thirty four to seven in the
fourth quarter is going forward on fourth and goal with
a guy with a knee brace on, and he talked
about that today. Why he did that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Get to the Oregon game more at four now at
four to twenty with Hugh next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now
back to Softy and Dick on your home for the Huskies,
Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point
three kjr FM.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We got to roll through this, unless, of course, Hugh Millin,
you feel like hanging out with us until five o'clock.
Then we can take all the time we need, baby,
all right, all the time. We need to get comfortable,
relaxed a little bit here, really dig into all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
See you got the hands in ten and two. Man,
you're driving this operation.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think it's a big week. I think it's Oregon
a week.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And if there's ever a week that deserves a little
bit of extra huge time, it's right now. So we'll
get as many topics soon as we can. But before
we go to the Huskies and Oregon, let me go
back to the Seahawks for a second. And look, I
get it that sometimes recovery times don't go as planned,
people have setbacks, things like that, whatever, But I get
a little frustrated, Hugh, And you tell me if this
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is a fair frustration that Tory Horton, who's having a
great year for a rookie, ends up missing two games
Arizona and LA and then goes on the IR and
he misses four more games. So what could have been
a four game absence turns into a six game absence.
Julian Love misses three games Tampa, Jacksonville and Houston and
then goes on the IR and he misses or more games.
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So it could have been four turns into seven. And
this is the second time now this has happened with them,
with Tory Horton. I'm just wondering if there's some breakdown
somewhere in the process over there that might be able
to avoid these long absences for these guys.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, it seems like a mismanagement of the process. Now,
you know, you could put the injuries in one of
kind of three buckets. One would be like, hey, he
he clearly is out, Like we got to put him
on IR right now. Like like, he's not gonna be ready,
and then and then you say like, hey, we're fine,
no Ir, he's gonna be ready to go in a
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week or two. And then but then there's that gray area.
And then there's a lot of participants in the process.
The player, obviously, team doctors, the coaches are eager. There's
the there's the whole uh you know, tough guy mantra
that that pervades the NFL, and and and you know,
are you hurt or are you injured? That type of thing,
and so you're sometimes you're just kind of straddling that
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and and different factions have a different take on it,
and and they just can't arrive at a conclusion. They
think he's gonna be okay, and then they realize, you
know what, this is not training the way we want.
You try and be anticipatory put him on ir, realizing
you're gonna need that roster spot. And you don't always
look back and say, well, we handled that right. We
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should have seen this a couple of weeks ago. Last
thing for me on the Hawks, who all is quiet
on the.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Tarik Woolen front lately, which is a good thing when
you're a cornerback. Is that because he's been playing well
or we just haven't seen any big negative plays like
Pi's are getting torched.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, I think he's playing well. Absolutely. If a guy
just you can look if you can't remember Tarik Woollen's
name getting called, just look at how many plays he played,
and then that'll tell you how well he played, right,
Because these are NFL quarterbacks that are you know, they're
trained to find the pigeon. Not to say that they
always do, but that's what they're paid to do. And
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if they're not finding opportunities against Woo or anybody else,
you can make an inference that the guy's covering pretty well.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, all right, well, Oregon Week Saturday.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
To steal a line from the.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Garage, when I say Oregon Week, what does that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Mean to you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I will just tell you you know what.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm talking about. Don't you just like him?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I just turned sixty two, if you would, if you
had like an instrument that could measure there's no kind
of hate and sports hate like I've had in my
life for the Oregon Ducks. I mean, you know, my
kid isn't playing there anymore, so I just I can
just remember, you know, the last time I assaulted anybody
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as an adult was in the Eugene airport. Wow, because
you know an Oregon fan, you know, he apparently couldn't
realize that if you're going to go up to a
guy and get in a guy who's six foot five
and two and thirty pounds and get in his face,
better make sure he's not in an horrible mood. And
so that got miscalculates did Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, not the finest moment, but.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah they that That's that's what duck hate reduced
me to.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, well, is this team elite?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Should have spent the night in that we're in the
Eugene jail.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But how was this person that you assaulted by?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That was back when I was young enough it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay, gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Uh, talk to me about this Oregon team, Hugh is
are they elite good or are they just kinda good
good like Michigan good from what you've seen from a Missigan.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I don't think they're elite good. You know you
saw I watched every play of the Indiana game and
I was surprised at how dominant I mean Indiana. Now,
Signetty has a much different personality than Don James, just
his you know, just his comportment. But the way his
teams are on the field. Indiana in that game reminded
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me of of Don James teams in the in the
in the good years, where where it was just like
a defense that plays together, plays nasty, fights you on
every freaking blade of grass. You know, don't beat themselves.
You know, just a toughness and a spirit to them.
And so I really admired that. And they just took
Dante More just completely out of his game.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it made him.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Look like a JV quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I couldn't, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The Indiana just bootstomped them. So I don't know, Dick,
what they are. They obviously look good offensively against sc
That that touchdown passed on the seam route to that
tight end eighteen for Oregon. Man, that guy has NFL
stamped all over his body. That was a that as
good a throw as I've seen a long time in
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college football. So I think there's some hot and cold
there with their quarterback and with their team. But we
know they have a relatively high ceiling and let's hope
they don't reach it Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, Demon Williams. I think we all agree it has
got to be a star for them to pull this
thing off. You know, I kind of felt like everything
started moving for you, dub on that draw a touchdown
for Demon once Jed kind of unleashed his legs a.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Little bit more.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I don't know, I've been maybe slightly disappointed with
how much of that part of his game we've seen
this year. I know he's on pace to put up
some pretty good numbers rushing wise, but I just feel
like there's more meat on the bones. So for Demon
Williams to take the next step. Last time we saw
DeMont Williams play against Oregon, his numbers looked okay because
most of it came when they were getting crushed in
the fourth quarter. He also got sacked ten times in
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that game, by the way, So what's the next step
for Deman? You think here, well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And looking at Demon bear with me, because I think
there's a point to be made here. So what I
did is I took off the power forward teams in
conference play only because I don't care how you did
against UC Davis or Central Michigan or Chattanooga State. So
what I'm about to say involves all Power four teams
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in conference play only, and then they say, okay, ranking
them defensively by points allowed. So Washington, in their eight
games in the conference, they've played three teams that are
in the top thirty Ohio State, Michigan, and then Wisconsin's
twenty eighth, So that puts them in the top thirty defensively. Right.
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The other five, Now this is sixty seven teams. Okay,
so top thirty out of sixty seven. The other five
they're below fifty out of sixty seven Illinois, Maryland, Purdue,
UCLA records. So I look, and I say, so we'll
just call those the easy teams and the difficult teams
based on that, correct And then I took the stats,
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the thirty five forty stats, and I ran the correlation
to winning from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five.
So we have a three and a half few almost
four year sample, so there's no outliers that diffuse. And
what is the number one now correlation? Just as a reminder,
we all know this correlation would be like our spent
studying the night before your midterm should correlate positively with
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your mid term scores? Are beers? Drunk the night before
your mid time would have a negative correlation, one would think, right,
so we get that. So there. The highest correlation of
all the stats is this new stat, new analytics EPA
Expected points average. I'm not going to go into it.
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Google it. There's a lot of stories, Okay, EPA per dropback.
The important part of that is it includes scrambles on
that play. Okay, so it's not just per attempt. So
against the easy teams the five that I mentioned, demand
has a point five zero EPA per play. That is
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number one in all of power for that's that is
seventy nine qualifying quarterbacks. He's number one. But against the
top thirty. Now this is all the other quarterbacks against
the top thirty two. This is not cherry picking. There's
all quarterbacks in the top thirty. Demand falls to negative
point two.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Toy one.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He has a point a point seven one drop He
goes from first to sixty sixth with a. EPA has
the highest correlation of any stat, six forty two. Passive
pass efficiency also called passer rating. I'll give you one more.
That is the second highest correlating stat. So we know
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it means something six to twenty five it's an old relic.
EPA is new. Pass efficiency is old, but it has
a six to twenty five demon Williams against the the
not top thirty teams, he has one hundred and eighty
point five pass efficiency, that's number one of all Power
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four quarterbacks. But his passer rating against top thirty is
one hundred and twelve point four. That's fifty five. So
in both of those categories, demand Williams is both number
one against the not top thirty and he has literally
the biggest drop of any quarterback in all Power forward.
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Now he's only nineteen ten, eight years old. He's breathtakingly talented.
I envy his talent. So there's a lot of room
for this guy to improve. We get it. But if
we're talking about what he needs to do, and here's
the final point on this. I mentioned the correlation, you know,
yards per tempt as a correlation five ninety nine total
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yards per game for sixty four, they're dropping right. Scrambles.
Here's the thing everybody's gonna talk about his scrambles. Scrambles
has only a point one two eight correlation to winning,
and in fact, against the top thirty defenses, it has
a negative point h two to two. It's basically nothing
of a slightly negative scramble yards point zero four to one.
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So scrambling, because here's what happened. When he scrambled against
Ohio State six scrambles for twenty yards, it's barely more
than three yards per scramble against Michigan two for ten yards.
When you go against these really talented teams, they have
a plan to corral you on the scrambles and they
have the athletes. So what what what's the takeaway? De
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Mon Williams. He's got he got his up as game
against the top teams. He's gonna get his opportunity this Saturday.
And yes, the scrambles and by the way, design runs
Ohio State one for thirteen yards Michigan one for five yards.
They took a lot of stuff away. So yes, he's
gonna have to use his leg He's never gonna not
use his legs because his legs are beauty, right right,
But he's still he's gonna have to make the plays
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from the pocket, and he's gonna have to do with anticipation. Okay,
he's gonna have to sharp with.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I gotta cut you off because we're gonna come back
and do one more segment. All right, so okay, stand by,
we'll come back and wrap it up with Hugh before
Panthers Niners on ninety three three KJR FM.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now
back to SOFTI and Dick on your Home for the Huskies,
Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point
three kjr FL.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Let's get into what we got football coming up. A
few more minutes left with humling a little more. At four,
we do an hour long version because it's Oregon week.
If they're playing Uh Davis, we would have let the
guy go an hour ago, man, but it's Oregon, So
what the hell?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Hey, Hugh, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Jonah Coleman comes in thirty four to seven, twelve fifty
three to go, and they run four straight run plays,
fourth and goal from the one. I asked Jed about
that today. He said, look, man, you know I wanted
Jonah to score. I'm not going to shut down the offense.
It kind of reminds me of Buddy Ryan against the Cowboys.
You know, we like practicing scoring touchdowns, remember that back
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Sure, yeah, two, I got a story about that another Well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
What, the the the term shut it down doesn't seem
to exist in Jedfish's vocabulary. We saw it against Wazoo,
we saw it against UCLA. So my question to you,
with that big knee brace, can Jonah Coleman be one
hundred percent against Oregon? How much can we expect at
a number one on Saturday with that bumne Man?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah? Not to my eye, And I think that was
a little bit misguided. I think it's well intentioned to
Troy and get him some individual athlete accolades obviously get
in the end zone. But watching that pile up and
the stress that was likely his knee was enduring, Yeah,
I didn't love that. So obviously love to have Coleman
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at his best with that knee brace. I don't know.
I always I kind of have a prejudice against running
backs with knee braces because I just assume if they're
wearing a knee brace, they're less than one hundred percent
and there's no position. You know, well, that's not true.
Cornerbacks would need to have their knees, but certainly running
backs that's vital the knee, and so I think I
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don't know how much less than one hundred percent is
he going to be, But if he's wearing a knee brace,
I'm gonna assume it's something.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Got it here from one Fish decision to another. Your
take on Jed honoring Jacob and news wishes to play
near his hometown for his last game of the regular
season before he burns the red shirt instead of doing
what I mean, I think a lot of Husky fans
would say what's best for the program and saving him
for the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I think that there's some team building aspects to
a decision like that. I think that the team is
always number one, But I think Jed has made it clear, Hey,
I'm gonna try and within our team structure, trying to
accommodate you guys, try and get you guys stats that
give you accolades and trophies in postseason and getting drafted
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and all of those things. And so that was just
a manifestation of it in a way that you know,
you raise a very good point, Dick that against Oregon,
that that seems like that would have been more needed
by the team. But yeah, you know, I think that
on some level it's going to be appreciated in that
locker room.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I mean, I mean, do you think kind of guys
that Jed Fish now more than ever is trying to
make sure that these great players play for him wherever
he goes, whether it's you, Dub, or whether he's coaching
a different team, Hugh, that those guys are with him
no matter where he is.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, he can use that on his example list of Hey,
this is how yes, I'll I'll never put your needs,
you know, overtly above the team, but but where they
can exist somewhat alongside and you know, maybe diagonally below
the needs of the team. If that makes any sense
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that visual, Uh, then then I think that Jed's going
to you know, look for ways to accommodate the team
and then at the players and then and then that's
gonna benefit with recruiting and all the rest.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I just hope we're not watching the game Saturday and
Noah Winnington is going right up the gut and we're
looking at each other going, God, it'd be great to
have Jacob Maneu out there right now playing linebacker, right
so we'll see, all right, hey, Hugh, great stuff, man ever,
have a good turkey day Thursday, and we're talking about
all right, see you about it?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Okay, are you miiling it with us? We'll get a break.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
We got Panthers, we got San Francisco, we got another
big day tomorrow, Husky Hanks at four. We got three
pairs of tickets for the UW Oregon game to give
away tomorrow on the Husky Honks Show.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So we go get that done.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
We'll talk to Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings,
John will Owner will join us on the air.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
A lot going on tomorrow and Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Will cram it all into Wednesday again because we're off
on Thursday and Friday,
All right, here we go joining us hurt them on
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the air today, but I was left wanting more yet
again Monday at four o'clock. I want a little more
at four with our friend here wee.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't listen to you often because you're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Millon, how are you pell? What's happening? Boys? I'm will
I got a lot.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Of great drops of yours, by the way, that was
just so bitching, so many good ones.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I like the bush one.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You like the bush one?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh yeah, I got you that one.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I gotta find that. No, I'm not going to delete it.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know, I'm leading that. I'm in charge here at hell. Okay,
I'm in charge. I have the I have the mic,
you have the con, I have the cod. Well, let's
talk about yesterday, like we always do. If you from
thirty five thousand, would you make of the win over Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I think we're just sometimes we're just starved for news.
And the fact is that that wasn't a very newsworthy game.
I mean, you're you're playing, you know, on on the uh.
In golf, there's always the easiest hole, the easiest index,
and you played a short part four not particularly particularly difficult,
you get a part, you get your par and uh,
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you stayed healthy. That's what you wanted to do. Was
it the uh Rembrandt artistically?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But was it sufficient?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Was yes?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Did it make you uh excessively nervous at any point? No?
I think they just handled business and and coming off
that ram loss somewhat predictable, Seahawks have been a very
good team at hammering inferior opponents. They for the most part,
were yesterday they allowed a back door cover. Guess what
if you have a you know, they're eight and three.
(01:42):
If you what are they on the pace for? Call
it eleven and six, twelve and five hopefully, uh, you know,
twelve and five of those twelve wins, you know there's
going to be two or three. Uh where you know,
somebody back door covers you. It's no big deal. So
I just think that they're exactly where they want to be.
(02:04):
And I think Mike McDonald likes the opportunity, yeah, to
teach some lessons based on a little bit of a
lack of focus. Somewhere, some poor bastard Dick blew the
kid's college fund and Dick's and he was on the
air saying it's not a big deal, A big deal,
not a big deal whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I was getting divorced, I might go to prison,
my kids never going to college.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
But not a big deal to you, Hugh come oh man, Well,
I mean here it was turning into a rem man.
I mean, it was twenty three to three, and we
thought it's I mean, at some point it could turn
into forty to ten in that game.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It just didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So how disappointed should we be at all, if at
all about the last twenty minutes of the football game
twenty five minutes of the football game.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, the on the punt return numbers one, nineteen, ninety four,
and fifty all got out of position, and so you
know that was kind of I think the blame was divided,
you know, to give up a ninety yard part return
when the Sea uh went into the game, I believe,
I know when they went in the ram game with
special teams e PA Expected points added were the number
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one special teams group in the in the NFL. So
so look at if you're going to keep up a
ninety yard return, don't you want to do it to
the Titans? Yes, yes, you know, and you know because
that can that can sharpen you up. I mean, if
you look at the goal line stand and the intensity
that the Seahawks defense had against the Rams. That literally,
I'm not even kidding you. When I talked about it
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on the radio that Monday, the hair on the back
of my neck was standing up. And if you compare
that against when cam Ward was down at the five
six yard line and he scrambled in for that touchdown,
the difference is just is startling right. And the sea yesterday,
the Seaarks were standing tall, no pad level, no intensity,
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no fighting off blocks, and and it was just as
as desparate as you could possibly have a scenario just
a week apart, but for all the reasons we know
were present in the Ram game and in the Titan game.
And it's just it's just reality. It's not in theory.
Sure you would have the insane intensity. Yeah, yeah, you
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know that's not how reality plays out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, humillin's with us.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm talking about Bushes. I don't want it to be
about Dad.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I just wanted you to prove to yourself that you
can still have that clip.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
All right, maybe I'll get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That clip was in regards to the plants and by
the way, just so you people know, Dick and I
were talking about the red zone offense.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, look, I mean first drive.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I know it's not red zone, but you get to
the thirty four, you stall, third drive first and goal
from the two, and then disaster with the penalties field goal,
fourth drive first and ten from the thirteen go backwards
field goal.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And it's been a little bit of a trend, right.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
What were the numbers Dick that you said you had
the last two or three games for the red zone.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Three games or twenty fourth for the season, they were eleven.
So ye season been good scoring touchdowns, right, Not in
the last three last three games. There's a little bit
of a mini trend of settling for field goals that
I don't like, and I don't want to see it
to see it continue.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
What's going on there.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I couldn't agree more. I think that they've been at
times conservative where you know, they got predictable handing the
ball off on first down and then you know they're
facing because because the defenses up, they're facing you know,
second and eight. I think that was a problem. I
think that they're passing game. They didn't have enough players,
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you know, I think when teams are really smoking in
the red zone. You have you know, maybe two, possibly
three players potential touchdowns, and and quarterbacks are taught touchdown checkdown.
But when I look and I say, wait a minute,
there's not even anybody. You're passing the ball but there's
nobody in the end zone or maybe there's just one
and you know they're carrying through that seam. The safety's
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over the top because there's no other threats vertically. So
I think some of the scheme was conservative. At think
the play calling on first down was conservative. And then
you know, I thought there was some brilliant execution. Man,
I could talk for ten minutes on that one play
that Jackson Smith caught in the back of the end zone,
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but he was only a foot out of bounds. I mean,
you know your balls on the left hash he set
a flood to the left to get Jackson Smith and
Jigba on a quarters coverage, you know, to the white
side of the field. He has a tight split because
of the hash. He nods out, gets the corner leaning
because because of the split, you figure, well he's got
to defend the seven route. What's the seven route? The
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corner out the outbreaking round he nods to the seven
back of the end zone. Unbelievable timing by Sam Darnold,
and literally you're talking about the highest, most exquisite level
of precision on that play, but you're, you know, eight
inches out of bounds. So I think, you know, they're close.
I think that, And then the second half when they
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got their touchdown, I think that they are. They're starting
to get more guys in the back of the end zone.
I just like opportunities to throw the ball high in
the back of the end zone or at the shoes,
you know, shoe laces at the front of the end zone.
And we saw a little bit more of that. But
I agree with you, it's got to get better.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Here.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
In the first nine games of the season, Knine had
only eleven catches on twelve targets. He has six catches
on seven targets, including his two longest receptions of the
season in the last two games. Is this a concerted
effort or is this just kind of coincidence that he's
getting open front?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I hope. So, you know, in all the years, in
my geeky way of looking at football, I have only
seen three statistics that have ever been advanced to be
the highest correlation to winning. One of course is turnovers
right net turnovers, and another one is yards per passe
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attempt net yards per passe attempt, and then the other
is net explosive plays. And I would put that actually
in second place behind turnovers net explosive plays. There's all
kinds of studies that show that that's that's a high
correlation to winning. And so to me, when I look
at okay, Zach Sarbonnat, now he had a nice run
on that touchdown to get outside. But on the balance,
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what I'm looking at Sarbonnet and Kenneth Walker is that
they're both essentially equal. In fact, Walker has a scos
of an advantage in what we would say, just okay,
what's your batting average in terms of what's called success
Forty percent of the needed yards on first down, sixty
percent of the needed yards on second down, and all
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the needed yards on third down. That kind of just like, hey,
are you are you? Are you just keeping ahead of
the chains? That that's just you know, in ignoring the potency.
But then when you say that the explosive rate for
Knine is so much more you just hand the ball
and it's like it's just like you know, pulling off
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of a a card, a deck of cards. At some
point you're gonna draw an ace, you know, just keep
just keep pulling cards, and he is more like hell,
he's gonna give you, you know, face cards at a
far higher rate than anybody else on the team. And
so yes, Dick hand them the ball on the stretch play.
That's their bread and butter on the running play, and
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speed matters on that play. The stretch getting to the
outside when the defense has to flow faster, there's better
cutback lanes. It opens when the defense has to flow
for faster, they it opens up the bootleg around the backside.
I mean, I was in Denver with Alex Gibbs, the
godfather of the outside zone. And then and then his
ability on what's called duo where you where you're you're
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clumping everybody up. It's a strong side run. Everybody's down blocking,
but if the middle linebacker steps up, you can bounce
it to the outside. You need speed on that. So
they're two most favored run schemes. Speed matters throwing him
to the ball and having him check down and sprint
up the sideline. Speed matters. Now, I I don't like
him running out of bounds when a dog on safety
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comes out of him. I don't want him finishing that play.
That's bugging the hell out of me. But he's the
most explosive guy to me. Get him the damn ball
in the running game end.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yes, yeah, that well you just talked about if you're
a nitpick. And I would also say, carry the ball
on the right hand, meaning the proper hand. Too many
times he's got the ball in the wrong hand. Krist
and Michael used to do that. Hewitt would drive me
freaking nuts. And so I'd like to see Kenny Walker
clean that up a little bit because it's gonna lead
to a fumble.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's gonna piss me off. So let's get the ball
on the proper hand.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But look, dude, I'm looking at Jackson Smith and Jigba
and I gotta be honest with you. Every single week
I'm assuming Clint Kobiak and Mike McDonald expect the team
to defend him a certain way. And I don't know
if it's because of the chess game that they're playing
that's getting this guy loose every single weekend.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But this just doesn't stop. It just continues.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Sixty three yard touchdown, fifty six yard catch and run
by Jackson Smith and Jigba eight catches a bucks sixty seven.
He's projected to go over two thousand yards and he's
got a chance to break Calvin Johnson's record in sixteen games.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
When is this gonna stop? Ever?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, it's a great question. It does concern me because
eventually one would think that you're gonna hit a roadblock,
but it hasn't materialized yet. But even you know, things
like yesterday's okay, he was an outside receiver on on
plays and they're giving him free access. I don't know
why they don't roll to them. On occasions they did
roll to them. Hell, there's one time they played cover
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two man on everybody, which is a safety on either half,
and then and bump and run with everybody. But then
the guy over JSN he was split to the far left.
He played what's called cloud his zone, and and and
Jason just comes down a five yard in route. There's
nobody within ten yards. They bust the coverage. It's like,
if you're gonna bust the coverage, how are you busting
on him. There's another time where he on a slant, Well,
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they did roll the coverage to him. So the one
play that you have that you can it's not the
only play, but one of the plays you can beat
that double cover rolled on safety over the top. As
a slant, you start kind of nod to the outside
break back in. As a quarterback, you're looking and you say, well,
I gotta beat the number two defender. Who's the number
two defender count outside in ignoring the safety at that
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third level corners number one, the linebackers number two. So
you're you got to hold in with your eyes. Well,
you got Cooper Cup coming at this safety and at
the number two defender. The number two defender is looking
square at Cooper Cup and and and Darnold literally whistles
it right by his head and he's looking at Cooper
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Cup inside and it's like, did you guys not get
the game plan? That number eleven is the guy that
gets the ball more than ten. So there's stuff that
I keep seeing this confounding, as I said, the free access.
But they're doing a hell of a job motioning. They're
stacking them on releases. You know that sixty three yarder
they motioned JSN from left to right. He's the number
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three guy, counting outside in and so he has free access.
It's man to man and the safety outside. So you
get the safety. Note that part of it to the
safety sitting there thinking, well, I got because there's only
four man rush, I got a deep safety in the
middle helping me to the inside. I've got a shallow,
low hole safety or lurk handle handling and helping me
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to the inside. So I'll just defend the outside stuff. Well,
now it's a corner, that's an outside breaking route. That's
on you, dude. But Jsn's ball skills are so elite.
With the ball deep in the air, those defenders have
a hard time tracking that, turning and locating the ball.
That's why they play defense. JSN is at the I
want to say he's as good as I've ever seen.
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I probably shouldn't say that. I'm probably just you know,
a victim of the moment. But dog gone is he
elite and he keeps just finishing on these incredible plays.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Well, how responsible is the quarterback for Jsn's success. What's
Sam doing that Gino didn't do?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well? He's throwing the ball down the field and accurate,
and the catchable rate has gone up, but particularly the
average depth of target. Last year with Gino, you had
JSN at eight point seven yards per average depth of target.
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That was seventieth out of eighty nine qualifying receivers. Okay,
seventieth out eighty nine. He goes from eight point seven
to this year twelve point five. And his catchable air
yards that's that's not my term, that's in the NFL's
stat portal catchable air yards. Last year, JSN had eight
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hundred and six for the entire season. This year he
already has eight eighty, which is obviously number one in
the NFL. George Pickens is number two at six thirty three,
some two hundred and fifty yards behind him. So what's
happening is they you've got a play caller that is
in a quarterback because it's a joint that decision to
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throw the ball deep. When the play comes into the quarterback,
it's like, hey, this is our this is shot, this
is what we want. But the quarterback, it's like, the
defense is going to tell me where to go right, right, right,
and so. But so the combination of that they're giving
him those opportunities and catchable just means in the judgment
of those doing the film study is that obviously it's
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a catchable ball, so you're getting a real effort to
push the ball down the field. You've got a quarterback
who is a sniper right now with his accuracy down
the field number one in the NFL in the Yardsber
attempt number one in the NFL in the Yardsbert completion,
and JSN with his not just elite but like hyper
elite deep ball skills. All of that is marrying together
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to produce these kind of results.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Well, Darnold's got a passer rating of one hundred and
fifty four point four when targeting Jackson, Smith and Jay
had twenty yards or more down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That is number one in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
This number one in the NFL with receivers with fifteen
targets or more of twenty yards and the average depth
is like thirty. This is not yak by the way,
This is not him catching the ball and then running
thirty yards after he catches the ball. This is air yards.
As you've said, all right here, let's get a break.
I do want to get one more seahawk topic and
then get your thoughts on Demon Williams UCLA game. Jed Fish,
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how about this up thirty four to seven in the
fourth quarter is going forward on fourth and goal with
a guy with a knee brace on, and he talked
about that today. Why he did that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Get to the Oregon game more at four now at
four to twenty with Hugh next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now
back to Softy and Dick on your home for the Huskies,
Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point
three kjr FM.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We got to roll through this, unless, of course, Hugh Millin,
you feel like hanging out with us until five o'clock.
Then we can take all the time we need, baby,
all right, all the time. We need to get comfortable,
relaxed a little bit here, really dig into all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
See you got the hands in ten and two. Man,
you're driving this operation.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think it's a big week. I think it's Oregon
a week.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And if there's ever a week that deserves a little
bit of extra huge time, it's right now. So we'll
get as many topics soon as we can. But before
we go to the Huskies and Oregon, let me go
back to the Seahawks for a second. And look, I
get it that sometimes recovery times don't go as planned,
people have setbacks, things like that, whatever, But I get
a little frustrated, Hugh, And you tell me if this
(17:38):
is a fair frustration that Tory Horton, who's having a
great year for a rookie, ends up missing two games
Arizona and LA and then goes on the IR and
he misses four more games. So what could have been
a four game absence turns into a six game absence.
Julian Love misses three games Tampa, Jacksonville and Houston and
then goes on the IR and he misses or more games.
(18:00):
So it could have been four turns into seven. And
this is the second time now this has happened with them,
with Tory Horton. I'm just wondering if there's some breakdown
somewhere in the process over there that might be able
to avoid these long absences for these guys.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, it seems like a mismanagement of the process. Now,
you know, you could put the injuries in one of
kind of three buckets. One would be like, hey, he
he clearly is out, Like we got to put him
on IR right now. Like like, he's not gonna be ready,
and then and then you say like, hey, we're fine,
no Ir, he's gonna be ready to go in a
(18:36):
week or two. And then but then there's that gray area.
And then there's a lot of participants in the process.
The player, obviously, team doctors, the coaches are eager. There's
the there's the whole uh you know, tough guy mantra
that that pervades the NFL, and and and you know,
are you hurt or are you injured? That type of thing,
and so you're sometimes you're just kind of straddling that
(18:59):
and and different factions have a different take on it,
and and they just can't arrive at a conclusion. They
think he's gonna be okay, and then they realize, you
know what, this is not training the way we want.
You try and be anticipatory put him on ir, realizing
you're gonna need that roster spot. And you don't always
look back and say, well, we handled that right. We
(19:20):
should have seen this a couple of weeks ago. Last
thing for me on the Hawks, who all is quiet
on the.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Tarik Woolen front lately, which is a good thing when
you're a cornerback. Is that because he's been playing well
or we just haven't seen any big negative plays like
Pi's are getting torched.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, I think he's playing well. Absolutely. If a guy
just you can look if you can't remember Tarik Woollen's
name getting called, just look at how many plays he played,
and then that'll tell you how well he played, right,
Because these are NFL quarterbacks that are you know, they're
trained to find the pigeon. Not to say that they
always do, but that's what they're paid to do. And
(19:56):
if they're not finding opportunities against Woo or anybody else,
you can make an inference that the guy's covering pretty well.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, all right, well, Oregon Week Saturday.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
To steal a line from the.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Garage, when I say Oregon Week, what does that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Mean to you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I will just tell you you know what.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm talking about. Don't you just like him?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I just turned sixty two, if you would, if you
had like an instrument that could measure there's no kind
of hate and sports hate like I've had in my
life for the Oregon Ducks. I mean, you know, my
kid isn't playing there anymore, so I just I can
just remember, you know, the last time I assaulted anybody
(20:40):
as an adult was in the Eugene airport. Wow, because
you know an Oregon fan, you know, he apparently couldn't
realize that if you're going to go up to a
guy and get in a guy who's six foot five
and two and thirty pounds and get in his face,
better make sure he's not in an horrible mood. And
so that got miscalculates did Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, not the finest moment, but.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah they that That's that's what duck hate reduced
me to.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, well, is this team elite?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Should have spent the night in that we're in the
Eugene jail.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But how was this person that you assaulted by?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That was back when I was young enough it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay, gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Uh, talk to me about this Oregon team, Hugh is
are they elite good or are they just kinda good
good like Michigan good from what you've seen from a Missigan.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I don't think they're elite good. You know you
saw I watched every play of the Indiana game and
I was surprised at how dominant I mean Indiana. Now,
Signetty has a much different personality than Don James, just
his you know, just his comportment. But the way his
teams are on the field. Indiana in that game reminded
(21:54):
me of of Don James teams in the in the
in the good years, where where it was just like
a defense that plays together, plays nasty, fights you on
every freaking blade of grass. You know, don't beat themselves.
You know, just a toughness and a spirit to them.
And so I really admired that. And they just took
Dante More just completely out of his game.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it made him.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Look like a JV quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I couldn't, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The Indiana just bootstomped them. So I don't know, Dick,
what they are. They obviously look good offensively against sc
That that touchdown passed on the seam route to that
tight end eighteen for Oregon. Man, that guy has NFL
stamped all over his body. That was a that as
good a throw as I've seen a long time in
(22:40):
college football. So I think there's some hot and cold
there with their quarterback and with their team. But we
know they have a relatively high ceiling and let's hope
they don't reach it Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, Demon Williams. I think we all agree it has
got to be a star for them to pull this
thing off. You know, I kind of felt like everything
started moving for you, dub on that draw a touchdown
for Demon once Jed kind of unleashed his legs a.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Little bit more.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I don't know, I've been maybe slightly disappointed with
how much of that part of his game we've seen
this year. I know he's on pace to put up
some pretty good numbers rushing wise, but I just feel
like there's more meat on the bones. So for Demon
Williams to take the next step. Last time we saw
DeMont Williams play against Oregon, his numbers looked okay because
most of it came when they were getting crushed in
the fourth quarter. He also got sacked ten times in
(23:25):
that game, by the way, So what's the next step
for Deman? You think here, well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And looking at Demon bear with me, because I think
there's a point to be made here. So what I
did is I took off the power forward teams in
conference play only because I don't care how you did
against UC Davis or Central Michigan or Chattanooga State. So
what I'm about to say involves all Power four teams
(23:50):
in conference play only, and then they say, okay, ranking
them defensively by points allowed. So Washington, in their eight
games in the conference, they've played three teams that are
in the top thirty Ohio State, Michigan, and then Wisconsin's
twenty eighth, So that puts them in the top thirty defensively. Right.
(24:10):
The other five, Now this is sixty seven teams. Okay,
so top thirty out of sixty seven. The other five
they're below fifty out of sixty seven Illinois, Maryland, Purdue,
UCLA records. So I look, and I say, so we'll
just call those the easy teams and the difficult teams
based on that, correct And then I took the stats,
(24:33):
the thirty five forty stats, and I ran the correlation
to winning from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five.
So we have a three and a half few almost
four year sample, so there's no outliers that diffuse. And
what is the number one now correlation? Just as a reminder,
we all know this correlation would be like our spent
studying the night before your midterm should correlate positively with
(24:56):
your mid term scores? Are beers? Drunk the night before
your mid time would have a negative correlation, one would think, right,
so we get that. So there. The highest correlation of
all the stats is this new stat, new analytics EPA
Expected points average. I'm not going to go into it.
(25:16):
Google it. There's a lot of stories, Okay, EPA per dropback.
The important part of that is it includes scrambles on
that play. Okay, so it's not just per attempt. So
against the easy teams the five that I mentioned, demand
has a point five zero EPA per play. That is
(25:38):
number one in all of power for that's that is
seventy nine qualifying quarterbacks. He's number one. But against the
top thirty. Now this is all the other quarterbacks against
the top thirty two. This is not cherry picking. There's
all quarterbacks in the top thirty. Demand falls to negative
point two.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Toy one.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He has a point a point seven one drop He
goes from first to sixty sixth with a. EPA has
the highest correlation of any stat, six forty two. Passive
pass efficiency also called passer rating. I'll give you one more.
That is the second highest correlating stat. So we know
(26:18):
it means something six to twenty five it's an old relic.
EPA is new. Pass efficiency is old, but it has
a six to twenty five demon Williams against the the
not top thirty teams, he has one hundred and eighty
point five pass efficiency, that's number one of all Power
(26:38):
four quarterbacks. But his passer rating against top thirty is
one hundred and twelve point four. That's fifty five. So
in both of those categories, demand Williams is both number
one against the not top thirty and he has literally
the biggest drop of any quarterback in all Power forward.
(26:58):
Now he's only nineteen ten, eight years old. He's breathtakingly talented.
I envy his talent. So there's a lot of room
for this guy to improve. We get it. But if
we're talking about what he needs to do, and here's
the final point on this. I mentioned the correlation, you know,
yards per tempt as a correlation five ninety nine total
(27:18):
yards per game for sixty four, they're dropping right. Scrambles.
Here's the thing everybody's gonna talk about his scrambles. Scrambles
has only a point one two eight correlation to winning,
and in fact, against the top thirty defenses, it has
a negative point h two to two. It's basically nothing
of a slightly negative scramble yards point zero four to one.
(27:39):
So scrambling, because here's what happened. When he scrambled against
Ohio State six scrambles for twenty yards, it's barely more
than three yards per scramble against Michigan two for ten yards.
When you go against these really talented teams, they have
a plan to corral you on the scrambles and they
have the athletes. So what what what's the takeaway? De
(28:02):
Mon Williams. He's got he got his up as game
against the top teams. He's gonna get his opportunity this Saturday.
And yes, the scrambles and by the way, design runs
Ohio State one for thirteen yards Michigan one for five yards.
They took a lot of stuff away. So yes, he's
gonna have to use his leg He's never gonna not
use his legs because his legs are beauty, right right,
But he's still he's gonna have to make the plays
(28:24):
from the pocket, and he's gonna have to do with anticipation. Okay,
he's gonna have to sharp with.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I gotta cut you off because we're gonna come back
and do one more segment. All right, so okay, stand by,
we'll come back and wrap it up with Hugh before
Panthers Niners on ninety three three KJR FM.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now
back to SOFTI and Dick on your Home for the Huskies,
Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 1 (28:53):
Let's get into what we got football coming up. A
few more minutes left with humling a little more. At four,
we do an hour long version because it's Oregon week.
If they're playing Uh Davis, we would have let the
guy go an hour ago, man, but it's Oregon, So
what the hell?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Hey, Hugh, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Jonah Coleman comes in thirty four to seven, twelve fifty
three to go, and they run four straight run plays,
fourth and goal from the one. I asked Jed about
that today. He said, look, man, you know I wanted
Jonah to score. I'm not going to shut down the offense.
It kind of reminds me of Buddy Ryan against the Cowboys.
You know, we like practicing scoring touchdowns, remember that back
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Sure, yeah, two, I got a story about that another Well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
What, the the the term shut it down doesn't seem
to exist in Jedfish's vocabulary. We saw it against Wazoo,
we saw it against UCLA. So my question to you,
with that big knee brace, can Jonah Coleman be one
hundred percent against Oregon? How much can we expect at
a number one on Saturday with that bumne Man?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah? Not to my eye, And I think that was
a little bit misguided. I think it's well intentioned to
Troy and get him some individual athlete accolades obviously get
in the end zone. But watching that pile up and
the stress that was likely his knee was enduring, Yeah,
I didn't love that. So obviously love to have Coleman
(30:11):
at his best with that knee brace. I don't know.
I always I kind of have a prejudice against running
backs with knee braces because I just assume if they're
wearing a knee brace, they're less than one hundred percent
and there's no position. You know, well, that's not true.
Cornerbacks would need to have their knees, but certainly running
backs that's vital the knee, and so I think I
(30:33):
don't know how much less than one hundred percent is
he going to be, But if he's wearing a knee brace,
I'm gonna assume it's something.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Got it here from one Fish decision to another. Your
take on Jed honoring Jacob and news wishes to play
near his hometown for his last game of the regular
season before he burns the red shirt instead of doing
what I mean, I think a lot of Husky fans
would say what's best for the program and saving him
for the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I think that there's some team building aspects to
a decision like that. I think that the team is
always number one, But I think Jed has made it clear, Hey,
I'm gonna try and within our team structure, trying to
accommodate you guys, try and get you guys stats that
give you accolades and trophies in postseason and getting drafted
(31:20):
and all of those things. And so that was just
a manifestation of it in a way that you know,
you raise a very good point, Dick that against Oregon,
that that seems like that would have been more needed
by the team. But yeah, you know, I think that
on some level it's going to be appreciated in that
locker room.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I mean, I mean, do you think kind of guys
that Jed Fish now more than ever is trying to
make sure that these great players play for him wherever
he goes, whether it's you, Dub, or whether he's coaching
a different team, Hugh, that those guys are with him
no matter where he is.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, he can use that on his example list of Hey,
this is how yes, I'll I'll never put your needs,
you know, overtly above the team, but but where they
can exist somewhat alongside and you know, maybe diagonally below
the needs of the team. If that makes any sense
(32:13):
that visual, Uh, then then I think that Jed's going
to you know, look for ways to accommodate the team
and then at the players and then and then that's
gonna benefit with recruiting and all the rest.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I just hope we're not watching the game Saturday and
Noah Winnington is going right up the gut and we're
looking at each other going, God, it'd be great to
have Jacob Maneu out there right now playing linebacker, right
so we'll see, all right, hey, Hugh, great stuff, man ever,
have a good turkey day Thursday, and we're talking about
all right, see you about it?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Okay, are you miiling it with us? We'll get a break.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
We got Panthers, we got San Francisco, we got another
big day tomorrow, Husky Hanks at four. We got three
pairs of tickets for the UW Oregon game to give
away tomorrow on the Husky Honks Show.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So we go get that done.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
We'll talk to Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings,
John will Owner will join us on the air.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
A lot going on tomorrow and Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Will cram it all into Wednesday again because we're off
on Thursday and Friday,
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