December 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Hugh Millen and Jessamyn McIntyre are in for Dick and Jackson - we have to relive our experiences during the game last night. What on earth happened and how did they get it done? The Seahawks are 0-172 in games trailing by 15 or more in the 4th quarter - and yet they found a way. How big was this comeback win for Sam Darnold? Hugh breaks down not only Darnold's performance late in the game, but Mike Macdonald's confidence in him. Softy commends Coach on the way he handled his quarterback last night. Lee Sterling joins Softy to handicap the college football playoff games we'll see this weekend in the way only he can.
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It was a hot mess inside a dumpster, fire inside
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a train rack. That might be the way people would
describe the Rams perspective of that collapse last night, thirty
eight thirty seven overtime win against the Rams. I still
cannot believe what I just saw. Twelve and three Seahawks
now control their own destiny for the number one seed
in the NFC playoffs. How about that linebacker Derek Hall,
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on the leg of Rams guard Kevin Dotson last night.
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Hugh Millan and Jessmon McIntyre on this Friday afternoon. For
those that are asking and wondering that, I don't think
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anybody really needs to what the hell is wrong with
your voice?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Softy?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Are you really needing to ask that question? After what
we saw last night at Lewminfield?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hugh. I mean, honestly, I cannot believe we are sitting
here talking about what we saw last night.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Nor can I.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think you're a sports fan long enough the odds
tell you eventually you're going to see a game like that. Yeah,
but it's just so unlikely. The stakes, although not the highest,
pretty damn high. And I've been racking my brain for
last close to twenty four hours whatever it is twenty hours.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
How many games in my life have I ever seen
that are as good or better than that game.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I could talk myself and that's
a top five football game I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, look, I mean, I will be honest with you guys,
and I got no reason not to be honest. You
know my story about the twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packer game, right,
I've told you that many times before.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Jess. I'm not sure if you're aware of the story
or not. No, we left early.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It was nineteen to seven. You were one of them, yes,
but let me there's a caveat. We left our seats early.
We walked into the club section right behind our seats
to go down the ramp to exit the stadium. The
minute we walked into the club everything started happening. We
stopped and we watched the entire comeback against Green Bay
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on a little monitor hanging on the wall in the
hallway at the clink, and there were three or four
other couples, Hugh, that did the exact same thing we did.
So we stayed there and our seats were literally maybe
forty feet behind us.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you couldn't get to them. No, we didn't want
to because it was good luck. If we left the
game early and watched the entire thing on a little monitor.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Last night, Hugh, we walked out after Sam Darnold threw
that interception to Turner near the goal line, say you
know what, let's mix it up. Let's go over to Jimmy's.
Let's sit there at Jimmy's. And by the looks of it,
there was a mass exodus of people walking down Occidental.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We weren't alone.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We sat there at the bar and watched the entire
comeback in overtime and Star voices going bananas when the
Seahawks hit that two point conversion to win the game.
So I don't blame anybody for leaving early. This was
as improbable a comeback as we've ever seen. I mean,
I'm looking at you know last night the Hawks were
oh in one hundred and seventy two. When trailing by
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fifteen points or more in the fourth quarter, oh in
one hundred and seventy two, Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
There was nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There was nothing about that game that said the Seahawks
were going to come back and win.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's eleven years worth.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Of sixteen game season football, eleven years, and they've never
done it in their franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
History.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So I think we all need to take a step
back and realize that what you saw last night is
likely something that you'll never see again as long as
you live.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Once in a lifetime, that's a historic I mean, if
you're talking about something that's never been done in franchise history.
I mean, I Telcass they're saying it was a three
percent chance, but I think they've advise that to one
point two or one point three percent chance. So I mean,
I get I guess one could say that that's you know,
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one percent is one in one hundred, and we've seen
more than a hundred games. But but what whatever it is, uh,
you know, and I'm sitting there thinking, Okay, I gotta
go I gotta do a postgame show with Fain. I'm
gonna go on with Chuck and Buck and Ian and
Dave tomorrow. And I'm I'm kind of you know, you've
done this before. I'm You're you're formulating your like, okay,
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what are the talking points? And you know all the
talking points? You know what it's like the uh, the
beat writers that you know, they they throw their whole
column out or their whole peace out, you know, after
a finish like that we threw all our talking points out.
It was just a remarkable you know, team uh effort.
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And I think for me trying to project myself as
a player in that situation, I think it's it's much
more important that this happened to this Seahawks then let's say,
had it happened to a warmer to Let's let's say
this is a Pete Carroll, you know, fifth or sixth year.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You know, the culture is established.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know, people kind of you know, have faith in
you know, you got let's say it was Russell Wilson's
fifth or sixth year. All the major participants, you know,
they've already you've already made your conclusion, right, you know.
But but this is a young team trying to buy
in the second youngest team in the NFL. Mike McDonald's
you know, I think he's won them, but games like this,
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and then with Sam donald as as a twenty eight
year old, the players know whatever uh, you know, warts
he has in his past, right And and so for
those two guys, they're the only ones that have a
record attached to them, right right, head coach in the quarterback,
correct right.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And and so they're the leaders that the rest of
the team has to have faith in who they are.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
What in the case of Mike McDonald, you know, hey,
does his worldview of professional football?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Does it work?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
And so I just I really believe that it's it's
more important that this happened, yeah, than it would have
happened with the more mature as I said, Yeah, you know,
Carol Russ and you know, well into their careers in Seattle.
These these are just fresh.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
This will be something that Mike McDonald will take with
him for the rest of his coaching career. And he's
not even where does he thirty six, thirty seven years old,
whatever he is, he'll take us with him forever and
be able to lean on this and bank on this
for the next maybe twenty five thirty years, however long
it lasts of his coaching career. But I mean, I
just think, guys and Hugh, this is kind of one
of those games and one of those days and shows
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where I just feel like we're just sitting here at
a bar just having a pop and we're just talking
about the game, and we're just going to be randomly
all over the place, right with different plays, different events,
different timelines. Like I'm thinking right now about Rashid Shahed
and how important he was in that game last night,
and how this is the second concutive year that John
Schneider has gone out and made a deal that has
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greatly upgraded a certain segment of the football team. Last
year was Ernest Jones, right when it became apparent the
Dodson and Baker thing was not going to work. It
was a disaster. He's like, you know what, no need
to wait, Let's pull the plug now and go get
Ernest Jones. And look at what the defense did when
Ernest Jones arrived right the rest of the way, they
were a different animal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Now it's Rashid Shiheed.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You got a guy who's got a punt return touchdown
and the very next touch for him is a thirty
one yard reverse giving the Seahawks the ball inside ram
territory that led to a touchdown on the very next play.
The instant impact of Rashid Shiheed in that game last
night and since he joined this franchise has been unbelievable.
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And I just I don't know, man, I mean, there
was so much talk to you about John Schneider over
the offseason. Right remember that big year for John he's
got to deliver, he's got to step up, he's got
to prove himself. And he went out and he fixed
a hole on that football team. Cooper Cup wasn't delivering.
We can talk about that and the fumble. My god,
I was pissed at him for that one. Tory Horton
got banged up a little bit. He's on the ir
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They desperately needed Rashid Shahed on this football team, and
I wonder where they're at. I guarantee you this, Hugh.
They're not twelve and three and in control of the
number one seed in the NFC without making the trade
for that guy. Well, it was a lightning bolt that return.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I don't know how many men on planet Earth could
do that, but there was just a wow factor to
how he he accelerated. I mean, you had a double
team on the gunners and you know, a quick nod
out there to fifty two O'Connell because I thought he
had Patrick O'Connell had the most important block. There's a
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double team outside of him and Shahed, you know, sprinted
to the sideline to widen the widest defender, then cut
up inside that block and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know the speed. Now, remember Now this is a
guy with the Saints first team All Pro as a returner.
This is no surprise.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I my recollection and it's pretty firm because my
kid played at Colorado State through to Tory Horton, and
so I I got eyes on Horton, maybe more than
I would have otherwise. And I remember when they were
acquired she that was That was November fourth, and we
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didn't know that Tory Horton was just going to be
a no show, at least I didn't. I felt like
this was a little bit of a surplus move. And
you know, you mentioned Cup. I think he's made much
more of an impact in the meeting room than he
has on the field. I think he's accelerated the pace
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of JSN and all. But this returnability, I mean, hell,
Atlanta game seems like a blow up, but remember how
they were stuck in mud before that kickoff return. I
mean that was a losable game. And it felt like
he turned out the lights on the Falcons and then
he didn't turn the lights out on the Rams last night.
He turned the lights on right for all of us
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for the fourth quarter, like, oh, this is in grass, right,
and so yeah, you know, don't look at the receiving
stats for him last night, because he had just the
one You're right, that reverse and then of course the
bread taking punt return.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I mean, wow, yeah, and then look, I mean, I
don't know what your take was in the moment. I
will just tell you.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Sitting there at Jimmy's watching this thing, when they scored
that last touchdown, I wanted them to go for two, immediately,
go for two, win the game right here. Forget it, man,
forget the tie, forget any of that stuff. You got
to go for two and win the game right here.
And I don't know if you saw Darnald after that touchdown,
he kind of looks over the sideline and holds up
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a number one.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Did you notice that? By the way, last night?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Now, I don't know if that would have been Sam
Darnold saying, hey, we're number one, like we're awesome, we
just or is it Sam Donald signaling to Mike McDonald
and Clint Kubiak, let's go for one. But they went
for two, and they were very decisive, very decisive, and
going for two. I thought it was the exact right
call at that moment in time. I've got evidence on
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social media to back that up. If you don't believe me,
by the way, which I don't give a damn.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Do or not.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But I thought it was the exact right call.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I love the fact that they went for two, and
I would have loved it even if it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I thought it was the right call. How about you
in the moment?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Ah, Well, first of all, I'm not aware that Donald
put up the one finger.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah that you know.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
That could be just his kind of thing, like a
celebration down of course. Of course, that's okay. That's one explanation.
It could be that Clint Kobiac who's in his ear.
Maybe originally they said hey, we're going for one, and
then two seconds later they said, no, we're going for two.
I doubt that because McDonald has said they knew all along.
So I highly doubt that a quarterback would be just
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saying hey, let's go for one in that situation. I
mean a couple of factors there. First of all, remember
that was a Thursday night game. You just played the
Colts last Sunday. This is this is hard as hell,
hard as hell on these players body, and to ask
them to play a game four days after Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Look, I'm not looking for sympathy. Sympathy.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
There's guys, they're shevel and asphalt and and and and
and they have no sympathy, nor do I.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You're a pro football player, player, get over it. You
got to play on Thursday. That's just the way it rolls.
Guess what.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
The Rams only had four days also, But and you
get the benefit because now you get more rest than
the than the Panthers do. Okay, so I'm not but
their reality is they played four days after and this
is a uh, you know, they're dragging theirselves all up
and down that field.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think just in the interest of like the the defense.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Would have wanted to choke McDonald had he said, hey,
march back out there and try and get another stop.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Wow, I think that would have been unfair.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
And then uh, you know, and then you have the
piece that that a tie you're gonna lose the tiebreaker
with the Rams. And then you know, lastly, hey, hey,
you know what, I think there's there's certain things that
that players kind of you know, maybe I'm an old
guy here, but but Tom Osborne going for the nest,
you know, not going for for two in the National
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Championship in nineteen eighty three, and and you know, and
and Pat Pat died did at Auburn, and and the
legacies how that impacted both of them. One one is
thought to have been a coward, one is thought to
have been valiant. I mean, I think there's a certain
bravado and masisma whatever it is that you said, like, no,
(15:37):
we're going for the win and uh and and I
think the the you know, just and and then the
final point would be the math involved three minutes to go.
You give the Rams the ball, You're you're far more
likely to be handing them an assist. You're like John
Stockton feeding the post to call them alone, right, You're
giving them an assist to get their win, the Rams win.
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So I think in multiple ways, going for two was
the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well, I thought it was a great night for Sam Darnald.
It started off as a bad night for Sam Donald.
And you know, you and I were talking off the air,
and you I'm telling you what man after that interception
to Turner with what nine thirty nine to go, I
think in the fourth quarter, third and goal, and it
throws the ball right to a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think he's got Jared Verse coming off the edge.
You had Josh Jones.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I'm not sure what happened there, some miscommunication and verse
just kind of miscommunication.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's empty and yeah, they're they're they're bringing an overload.
You know, you send the center of the right. Yeah,
bring three to the left against two. It's it's just
the math doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, right, So he just comes in, comes in totally unblocked.
He throws the pick, doesn't see the player gets picked off.
There's booze in the audience, there's boos in the stadium,
and I'm thinking kind of like you are that all right? Well,
this just is gas for their fire, the people that
are critical of Sam Darnold. And this is going to
be impossible to defend because that was a horrific interception
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at a horrific time. You're moving the ball, you got
a chance to really do some damage here and get
back in this game, and you just commit an ugly,
ugly interception. So Sam Donald, I think maybe after that interception,
he may have left the stadium and I don't know,
gone and talked to his pastor or his priest. I
don't know what religious denomination Sam Darnald is. Maybe he's Jewish,
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and he called his Rabbi because for him to get
a second shot to overcome that, and the way he
played down the stretch and the way he played in overtime.
I don't know, Hugh, Maybe I'm being corny. I thought
it was a seminal moment last night for our quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
How about you? I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I think, you know, ideally, you say, okay, we got
a few different you know, general characteristics of you.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Know what, my fault, time out, time out because we're
up against the clock. Because I thought this is going
to be a long conversation. I can tell i'bout Sam Donald.
So we got we gotta give this guy his due.
We'll get a break, come back and visit what this
means for Sam, what it meant for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You're hearing two.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Words now a lot more today than you were before
the game yesterday, and you were hearing them a lot yesterday.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And that is super and bowld uh that and Sammy next.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
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Speaker 6 (19:00):
Thirty seven thirty six rams. With a one point lead,
You're in overtime, the top spots in the NFC West
on the line, and the inside track to the one
seed in the NFC all comes down to display tonight
in Seattle. Here we go, the Seahawks going for two
and they go empty trips to Donald's rights. Shota comes
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back in, settles on his left hip, Donald's standing on
the left. Hash takes the shotgun snap three step from
looking looking.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Fired on my mouth and it's Coots bis Ton and
Eric Suberts, the god that no longer expected, and the
Seahawks walking up and so on to the top of
the NFC West with the thirty eight thirty seven over
time win tonight here in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, that is the voice Hugh Millen of Kate Scott,
who was working the game for Westwood One. For National
Radio last night, Eric Sobert with the two point conversion,
what's chat more about that play as the show goes on.
But the guy that threw that pass, man, he kind
of needed that, Hughie, don't you think our buddies slinging
Sammy Donald, who at halftime was four of six for
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sixty three yards, had one completion for eight yards in
the second quarter, and the rest of the way eighteen
for twenty eight two oh seven, couple of touchdowns, couple
of picks.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I said it was a seminal moment for Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, in his career. But here's the thing. We've seen
games like that before. We saw it in the Packer
game late last year from Minnesota, saw it in the
Packer game earlier in the year from Minnesota. You mentioned
it a couple of weeks ago that Don James once
told you the only things people remember are the games
you lose, not the games you win. So I think
Sam Donald's been getting a little bit of a bad rap.
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But that's quarterbacking, right, That's football. That's what comes along
with playing the most important position in sports. So tell
me about how big last night was for sam and
what you think that game meant to him when he
woke up this morning.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Man, Well, my sense, my hunts would be that it's
it's huge because here he's trying to win over his teammates.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
His teammates are aware of what happened at the end of.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
The season last year with losses to Detroit and to
the Rams in the playoffs, and they know he's a
little bit traveled here. But we'll talk about the interceptions.
Then we'll just have an overview about them.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So then obviously, Mike McDonald, all of us Seahawk fans,
we would prefer he throw less interceptions than more. Right,
Nobody wants him to be within you know, two or
three of the interception lead. And yet there's there's two
factors I think that that should be considered. I'm not
saying they're mitigating, but they are certainly relevant to consider.
(21:55):
Number One, when you consider, okay, that that interceptions would
be generally described as a reflection of your aggressiveness.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And so one thing that that does, I don't know,
you know, balance it out to some degree is that
while he let's just take pro football focus, the big
time throws that Matthew Stafford is number one, Sam Darnold
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is number two. Turnover worthy plays, yeah's donald sixth. But
he but he has less than Patrick Mahomes, less than
Trevor Lawrence, less than Baker Mayfield, and a couple others
including Geno and so I think Mike McDonald's just saying
he's saying, well, I really don't like those turnovers, but
at least we have the big time throws. Sam donald
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is number two in the NFL in terms of the
percentage of passes that go for ten yards or more.
He's number one in the NFL in terms of percentage
of passes that go for twenty yards and more. Now
he's that's a little bit front loaded. At the beginning
of the season, he hasn't been you know that those
ratios haven't been as good. So there's that fact there
that McDonald's saying, hey, we're getting the play. You know,
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Jackson Smith and Jig but is leading the NFL all
of these things. Yes, we're making plays to compensate for
the mistakes. And then lastly, he's winning. He you know,
over the last thirty nine starts, he's won seventy seven
percent of his games, and you know, so there there's that,
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and then he is I want to get the update
the percentage of his of his games where he has
a triple digit passer rating is sixty four percent over
the last over the last three years, over the last
three years, Sam or Patrick Mchomes like under forty percent.
Mahomes for his career is under fifty percent, so is
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Tom Brady and again UH Stafford for thirty nine Stafford, sorry, Sam,
Donald is sixty four percent. So this guy has been
playing a great ball. He's been winning. Yeah, the interceptions
are more than you want. But I think that McDonald
he this is very careful how he is interacting with
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his quarterback, and we see it publicly. He just keeps
on supporting him and says, hey, you just keep being you.
You just keep slinging it because he doesn't want to
paralyze him. He doesn't want those big plays to dry up.
He doesn't want him to lose confidence. And and so
what Donald did yesterday and I'll put a rapper on
it after that second interception is passer rating for the
game was fifty one point one. His his passer rating
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after that the rest of the fourth quarter and overtime
one hundred and thirty seven and then EPA expected points
the best are at point two four. That's UH Stafford
the worst is minus point two four. So think of
that range point two four to minus two four. Donald
was point minus point four to nine up up until
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that second pick, so double the worst, and then he
was positive point ninety eight four times the best.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So for him to.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Emostly, as I've described it, dig out of that hole
and still be able to play clutch football when all
of the weight of that stadium is teammates and everything,
that's just gutty as hell. That has got to be
one of the most difficult things in all of sports.
What he had to do last night.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, no, no question.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And for him to step up, obviously in that clutch
moment and get the job done. I mean the two
point conversion, the clip here we just heard there, right,
I mean it seems like, hey, Sobert comes open, you
find him, the game's overdone. There's more to that play
from Sam Darnold's perspective than just dumping the ball off
to a wide open tight end two yards deep into
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the end zone. So take me through the two point
conversion what Sam saw, what they call because here, a
let's face it, if they don't convert on that two
point conversion and they lose the I think you and
I are in an agreement that we liked it from
the start to go for two. But there's a lot
of people that did not, and those voices would be
loud as hell today.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Sure, you know, and that's the cost of doing business.
And Mike McDonald doesn't strike me as the type of
guy that would be second guessing. I think that he
just he would just be like, hey, you know that,
that's what we do. Uh, there's a reason the windshield
is about twenty times bigger than the rearview mirror.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let's let's just keep pushing and and and so.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Look, there was a concept somewhat related, not not entirely,
but somewhat related to the the touchdown that Jackson Smith
and Jigba had against the Texans at the end of
the second quarter. They're trying to get Injigba and on
a spray meaning widen and then and then inbreaking route
to the back of the end zone to Donald's right,
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you have uh Barner from this from a bunch of
trips to to Donald's right, Barner's gonna go over the ball,
try and pull the defender in there and then and
then uh, Cooper Cup is gonna run the flat to
try and those two guys underneath are gonna try and
create a window in between for JSN to to get
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in in the back of the end zone. All three
of them were gloved up very You know that RAM
team under Chris Shula is a very well coached defensive team.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They're very, very good.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
So he had nothing on any of the three concepts.
To his front side to his right, Now what does
he have? He has two checkdowns. He has Zach Sarbonay
the running back to his left. He's going to do
a check swing. Does a linebacker come to my side?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Possibly his safety to that side. Any four week to
that side I got him, Nope or three week he
depending on the front because there was a tight end
over there. Anyways, he's gonna he's got his check swing.
And then you had sober. He is gonna block, block, block,
He's the tight end what's called the nub tight end.
Nub tight end is the the eligibras receiver away from trips.
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So the nub tight end is gonna block, block, block,
and then check over the middle. The best thing I
can say, two things happened on that play that made
it one. Number one great protection on a game where
the protection was very spotty. They manned up and you know,
here you've got a backup tackle. I'll show you the
photo you got Josh Jones. He is just dominating Jared
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Vers out there like phenomenal protection in one on one situation.
It's beautiful football. And then the other thing is darnold
he didn't force anything to the front side everything. There
wasn't anything close to being open for him. It's it
would have been easy to throw the check swing out
to Sarbonate, and if he does that, the Seahawks lose
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the game. Instead, he went with the check right over
the middle, the delay checkdown after having pass blocked, and it's.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
A really good scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
The detail that Clint Kubiak built into that play was pivotal.
But Donald had to avoid because it's easy to start
getting your eyes to scan you're going right to left,
and you just you think, well, I'll just go to
the swing to left, and all of a sudden you
throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Sharbonny gets tackled on the three yard line. The rams
are the ones that are, you know, jumping up and
down and they just won the game. So credit Donald
for knowing which checkdown to go to whether you want
there to me, they're simultaneously the fourth and fifth guy.
There's certainly the fourth or the fifth in the progression,
and you know the details matter, and they were there
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for Seattle.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well, it was a it was a resurgence in the
middle of the game for not just Sam Donald but
also Mike McDonald. We got a break here, We're gonna
get our handicapper here, Lee Sterling on the air, give
us some picks for the weekend. So at four o'clock,
I want to talk about that because I was tweeting
about it. I'm sure you were thinking about it. A
lot of fans were saying it. There was a large
portion of that game where Sean McVay was whipping Mike McDonald,
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I mean whipping him. This was a thank you sir,
and may I have another bending him over sideways and
taking him to school during that game last night.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So what happened?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
What happened to turn that tide and go to the
exact opposite where Mike McDonald's the one when Matt Stafford
gets the ball, I mean, hell, Hugh, before we just
break real quick.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
First and ten from the RAM forty nine tie game,
one oh.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Two left to go. You're thinking, oh my god, all
they need is a field goal. Are they gonna win
the game? From that point on? Matt Stafford goes oh
for three, they punt the ball and we go to ot.
So we got to come back and talk about what
Mike McDonald did to wake up against Sean McVay, because
that was gnarly for a big portion of that game.
Lee Sterling will join next Hugh Millan, back and forth
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on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3 (31:40):
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
Sorry, Lee, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I am a complete and total mess after that game
last night, Complete and total freaking mess. It is a
miracle I can even stand up and walk after last
night Seahawk games. So anyway, how are you picking the locks?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Coming up?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Obviously later on tonight, looking forward to that forty three,
thirty six and one on the air after a three
and two another winning week last week?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's going on down there in the South South Florida Bell.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Everything, Shood? I was rooting hard. I was even jumping
up and down. I mean that two point conversion where
it looked like they had did not get it the
first time, and you know, it was an actual laddle
of that. I'd never seen that play before. And then
the call that got him the win was absolutely insane,
you know what. It was almost as loud as the
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Orange Bowl was when we beat you guys fifty eight
to seven. Almost.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's the case. And by
the way, if you're going to be a smart ass,
at least get the score right. It was sixty five
to seven, not fifty eighth seventy five. Okay, yeah, come on, man,
all right, Lee sterling with us all right. CFP starts
in about an hour. Alabama I got it one half
tide given a point and a half against Oklahoma in Norman.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Who do you like tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And why?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
All right? So the game is in Norman, which is important.
I also think they by far have the better defense
and also the better special teams. They got a kicker.
Take Sandell twenty three for twenty four and field goals.
He's seven for seven fifty yards plus. The Bama kickers
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kicking field goals thirteen for twenty not even one fifty
yard plus field goal here. I don't think Ky Simpson
is right. I mean, since he had that back injury,
he hadn't looked good. And also the offensive line well
out ten sacks last three games. I think they've lost
their mojo here. I think Oklahoma's going to take him
down for the second time this season and three times
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in two years. Wow, owe you twenty four to twenty
they move.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
On, all right, twenty four to twenty take the Sooners
over Alabama. And Kaitlyn de Boris says, Lee, Okay, tomorrow morning,
I know what you'll be doing. You'll be on your
couchs probably with your pants off watching Miami in Texas
A and M in the first round of the CFP
from college station.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm actually shocked you're not going.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
If you and Mark were actually as big a Miami
fans as you say you are, you'd be there in person.
But A and M at home given three and a
half in college station against your Hurricanes tomorrow, what do
you think?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well, I gotta do shows like yours. I can't let
you guys down. I will be there if they make
second round and have a rematch of the game we
were at in two thousand and two where we got robbed.
So I've been pretty on the money with both of
these teams. I said in twenty twenty two that Texam
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was going to win the game by six. They did
that against Miami. I said in twenty twenty three Miami
Miami was going to return the favor win by more
than a touchdown. They did it. I think A and
M is good, but I don't think they're great. I mean,
before that Texas game, they had played in SEC schedule
where their opponents were combined eleven and forty. So they
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want to make fun of the acc bottom part of
the SEC isn't great either. And also that twenty twenty
two game that Miami lost by six points. They had
numerous numerous illegal procedures delay at games, they missed two
field goals, dropped the punt. The quarterback was Tyler van Dijke.
I mean, Dick Van Dyke at one hundred years old,
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would have done better. Now they've got Carson Beck. He's
won a national title. I mean, he's beaten Texas at
Texas Tennessee. At Tennessee, they have the best player on
the field at Tony Wide receiver eighty four catches, no
drops here. I think Miami's going to do a number
here on Texas. A and m we return the favor.
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We're going to be playing on New Year's Eve against
Ohio State Miami twenty six to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
All right, take the Canes in the three and a
half at least as they went outright, all Right, Oregon
and James Madison tomorrow in Eugene. I'm hopeful, beyond hope,
but I don't see any hope, to be honest with you,
for James Madison against Oregon. Tell me I'm wrong, please,
for the love of God, Oregon given twenty and a
half tomorrow against James Madison.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I think they can cover. I don't think they can win.
Underrated team. They have the number two rushing defense in
the country, our third and yards per play against here.
Oregon generally wins on the ground as their passing game
soddenly in the top fifty, but far from elite in
my opinion. Here, look at the go back and watch
that James Madison game if you have time anyone. They
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controlled the game against Louisville, had the ball for almost
thirty eight minutes of the sixty minute game. They ran
the ball forty seven times. Here, I think they can
move the chains. Here saying this game Oregon wins thirty
one to twenty. But James Madison, the Duke's cover.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Got it all right.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Takess take James Madison in the points. Tampa Bay Carolina
a big game this weekend in the NFC South. Buccaneers
given three at Carolina.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
What do you think these Tampa Bay defenders? They just
can't get off blocks anymore. I don't know whether you're
getting old, they're injured here. Offensive line doesn't look good.
Carolina eight one against the spread as a home dog
with six outright upsets here. You guys are gonna face
them next week. This is a team that is good.
How bad is Tampa? They face the Falcons and the
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Falcons had nineteen penalties against them for one hundred and
twenty five yards and still couldn't win the game. Another
roy team favorite, Carolina wins twenty three to twenty. That's
control of the division.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I got you, and then we got the Panthers next
Sunday down there. How about the Niners, who are still
very much alive for the NFC West Championship. By the way, Lee,
they got the Colts and Old Man Rivers on Monday
night in Indy, they're given five and a half.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yeah. I don't think this Indy can play with the
type of intensity that they did last week when they
held the Seahawks to fifty yards on twenty two carries
on the ground. And I mean the offense. I mean
it's just punching. Judy Robert Sala he's seen the best
of what they do here with a full game tape,
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I think they shut down Indianapolis San Francisco twenty six ten.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Okay, and you got a big game green Bay Chicago.
Lots of guys are out for the Bears, lots of
guys questionable for Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You got something up your sleeve, don't you.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
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Speaker 2 (38:53):
All right, Lee, you're the man, great stuff. We'll talk
down the row.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Buddy, appreciate a pal Okay, all right, all right here
hes Oklahoma tonight against Alabama. He likes Miami tomorrow. He
likes James Madison to cover, but O're gonna win. He
likes Carolina against Tampa, and he likes the Niners to
cover against the Colts on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
We like Hugh Millan. He's going to rejoin next on
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a train rack. That might be the way people would
describe the Rams perspective of that collapse last night, thirty
eight thirty seven overtime win against the Rams. I still
cannot believe what I just saw. Twelve and three Seahawks
now control their own destiny for the number one seed
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Speaker 3 (02:22):
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Nick Fane's got the Day Off, Jackson felts as the
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Hugh Millan and Jessmon McIntyre on this Friday afternoon. For
those that are asking and wondering that, I don't think
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anybody really needs to what the hell is wrong with
your voice?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Softy?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Are you really needing to ask that question? After what
we saw last night at Lewminfield?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hugh. I mean, honestly, I cannot believe we are sitting
here talking about what we saw last night.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Nor can I.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think you're a sports fan long enough the odds
tell you eventually you're going to see a game like that. Yeah,
but it's just so unlikely. The stakes, although not the highest,
pretty damn high. And I've been racking my brain for
last close to twenty four hours whatever it is twenty hours.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
How many games in my life have I ever seen
that are as good or better than that game.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I could talk myself and that's
a top five football game I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, look, I mean, I will be honest with you guys,
and I got no reason not to be honest. You
know my story about the twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packer game, right,
I've told you that many times before.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Jess. I'm not sure if you're aware of the story
or not. No, we left early.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It was nineteen to seven. You were one of them, yes,
but let me there's a caveat. We left our seats early.
We walked into the club section right behind our seats
to go down the ramp to exit the stadium. The
minute we walked into the club everything started happening. We
stopped and we watched the entire comeback against Green Bay
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on a little monitor hanging on the wall in the
hallway at the clink, and there were three or four
other couples, Hugh, that did the exact same thing we did.
So we stayed there and our seats were literally maybe
forty feet behind us.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you couldn't get to them. No, we didn't want
to because it was good luck. If we left the
game early and watched the entire thing on a little monitor.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Last night, Hugh, we walked out after Sam Darnold threw
that interception to Turner near the goal line, say you
know what, let's mix it up. Let's go over to Jimmy's.
Let's sit there at Jimmy's. And by the looks of it,
there was a mass exodus of people walking down Occidental.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We weren't alone.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We sat there at the bar and watched the entire
comeback in overtime and Star voices going bananas when the
Seahawks hit that two point conversion to win the game.
So I don't blame anybody for leaving early. This was
as improbable a comeback as we've ever seen. I mean,
I'm looking at you know last night the Hawks were
oh in one hundred and seventy two. When trailing by
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fifteen points or more in the fourth quarter, oh in
one hundred and seventy two, Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
There was nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There was nothing about that game that said the Seahawks
were going to come back and win.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's eleven years worth.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Of sixteen game season football, eleven years, and they've never
done it in their franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
History.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So I think we all need to take a step
back and realize that what you saw last night is
likely something that you'll never see again as long as
you live.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Once in a lifetime, that's a historic I mean, if
you're talking about something that's never been done in franchise history.
I mean, I Telcass they're saying it was a three
percent chance, but I think they've advise that to one
point two or one point three percent chance. So I mean,
I get I guess one could say that that's you know,
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one percent is one in one hundred, and we've seen
more than a hundred games. But but what whatever it is, uh,
you know, and I'm sitting there thinking, Okay, I gotta
go I gotta do a postgame show with Fain. I'm
gonna go on with Chuck and Buck and Ian and
Dave tomorrow. And I'm I'm kind of you know, you've
done this before. I'm You're you're formulating your like, okay,
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what are the talking points? And you know all the
talking points? You know what it's like the uh, the
beat writers that you know, they they throw their whole
column out or their whole peace out, you know, after
a finish like that we threw all our talking points out.
It was just a remarkable you know, team uh effort.
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And I think for me trying to project myself as
a player in that situation, I think it's it's much
more important that this happened to this Seahawks then let's say,
had it happened to a warmer to Let's let's say
this is a Pete Carroll, you know, fifth or sixth year.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You know, the culture is established.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know, people kind of you know, have faith in
you know, you got let's say it was Russell Wilson's
fifth or sixth year. All the major participants, you know,
they've already you've already made your conclusion, right, you know.
But but this is a young team trying to buy
in the second youngest team in the NFL. Mike McDonald's
you know, I think he's won them, but games like this,
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and then with Sam donald as as a twenty eight
year old, the players know whatever uh, you know, warts
he has in his past, right And and so for
those two guys, they're the only ones that have a
record attached to them, right right, head coach in the quarterback,
correct right.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And and so they're the leaders that the rest of
the team has to have faith in who they are.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
What in the case of Mike McDonald, you know, hey,
does his worldview of professional football?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Does it work?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
And so I just I really believe that it's it's
more important that this happened, yeah, than it would have
happened with the more mature as I said, Yeah, you know,
Carol Russ and you know, well into their careers in Seattle.
These these are just fresh.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
This will be something that Mike McDonald will take with
him for the rest of his coaching career. And he's
not even where does he thirty six, thirty seven years old,
whatever he is, he'll take us with him forever and
be able to lean on this and bank on this
for the next maybe twenty five thirty years, however long
it lasts of his coaching career. But I mean, I
just think, guys and Hugh, this is kind of one
of those games and one of those days and shows
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where I just feel like we're just sitting here at
a bar just having a pop and we're just talking
about the game, and we're just going to be randomly
all over the place, right with different plays, different events,
different timelines. Like I'm thinking right now about Rashid Shahed
and how important he was in that game last night,
and how this is the second concutive year that John
Schneider has gone out and made a deal that has
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greatly upgraded a certain segment of the football team. Last
year was Ernest Jones, right when it became apparent the
Dodson and Baker thing was not going to work. It
was a disaster. He's like, you know what, no need
to wait, Let's pull the plug now and go get
Ernest Jones. And look at what the defense did when
Ernest Jones arrived right the rest of the way, they
were a different animal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Now it's Rashid Shiheed.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You got a guy who's got a punt return touchdown
and the very next touch for him is a thirty
one yard reverse giving the Seahawks the ball inside ram
territory that led to a touchdown on the very next play.
The instant impact of Rashid Shiheed in that game last
night and since he joined this franchise has been unbelievable.
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And I just I don't know, man, I mean, there
was so much talk to you about John Schneider over
the offseason. Right remember that big year for John he's
got to deliver, he's got to step up, he's got
to prove himself. And he went out and he fixed
a hole on that football team. Cooper Cup wasn't delivering.
We can talk about that and the fumble. My god,
I was pissed at him for that one. Tory Horton
got banged up a little bit. He's on the ir
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They desperately needed Rashid Shahed on this football team, and
I wonder where they're at. I guarantee you this, Hugh.
They're not twelve and three and in control of the
number one seed in the NFC without making the trade
for that guy. Well, it was a lightning bolt that return.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I don't know how many men on planet Earth could
do that, but there was just a wow factor to
how he he accelerated. I mean, you had a double
team on the gunners and you know, a quick nod
out there to fifty two O'Connell because I thought he
had Patrick O'Connell had the most important block. There's a
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double team outside of him and Shahed, you know, sprinted
to the sideline to widen the widest defender, then cut
up inside that block and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know the speed. Now, remember Now this is a
guy with the Saints first team All Pro as a returner.
This is no surprise.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I my recollection and it's pretty firm because my
kid played at Colorado State through to Tory Horton, and
so I I got eyes on Horton, maybe more than
I would have otherwise. And I remember when they were
acquired she that was That was November fourth, and we
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didn't know that Tory Horton was just going to be
a no show, at least I didn't. I felt like
this was a little bit of a surplus move. And
you know, you mentioned Cup. I think he's made much
more of an impact in the meeting room than he
has on the field. I think he's accelerated the pace
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of JSN and all. But this returnability, I mean, hell,
Atlanta game seems like a blow up, but remember how
they were stuck in mud before that kickoff return. I
mean that was a losable game. And it felt like
he turned out the lights on the Falcons and then
he didn't turn the lights out on the Rams last night.
He turned the lights on right for all of us
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for the fourth quarter, like, oh, this is in grass, right,
and so yeah, you know, don't look at the receiving
stats for him last night, because he had just the
one You're right, that reverse and then of course the
bread taking punt return.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I mean, wow, yeah, and then look, I mean, I
don't know what your take was in the moment. I
will just tell you.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Sitting there at Jimmy's watching this thing, when they scored
that last touchdown, I wanted them to go for two, immediately,
go for two, win the game right here. Forget it, man,
forget the tie, forget any of that stuff. You got
to go for two and win the game right here.
And I don't know if you saw Darnald after that touchdown,
he kind of looks over the sideline and holds up
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a number one.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Did you notice that? By the way, last night?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Now, I don't know if that would have been Sam
Darnold saying, hey, we're number one, like we're awesome, we
just or is it Sam Donald signaling to Mike McDonald
and Clint Kubiak, let's go for one. But they went
for two, and they were very decisive, very decisive, and
going for two. I thought it was the exact right
call at that moment in time. I've got evidence on
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social media to back that up. If you don't believe me,
by the way, which I don't give a damn.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Do or not.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But I thought it was the exact right call.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I love the fact that they went for two, and
I would have loved it even if it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I thought it was the right call. How about you
in the moment?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Ah, Well, first of all, I'm not aware that Donald
put up the one finger.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah that you know.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
That could be just his kind of thing, like a
celebration down of course. Of course, that's okay. That's one explanation.
It could be that Clint Kobiac who's in his ear.
Maybe originally they said hey, we're going for one, and
then two seconds later they said, no, we're going for two.
I doubt that because McDonald has said they knew all along.
So I highly doubt that a quarterback would be just
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saying hey, let's go for one in that situation. I
mean a couple of factors there. First of all, remember
that was a Thursday night game. You just played the
Colts last Sunday. This is this is hard as hell,
hard as hell on these players body, and to ask
them to play a game four days after Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Look, I'm not looking for sympathy. Sympathy.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
There's guys, they're shevel and asphalt and and and and
and they have no sympathy, nor do I.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You're a pro football player, player, get over it. You
got to play on Thursday. That's just the way it rolls.
Guess what.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
The Rams only had four days also, But and you
get the benefit because now you get more rest than
the than the Panthers do. Okay, so I'm not but
their reality is they played four days after and this
is a uh, you know, they're dragging theirselves all up
and down that field.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think just in the interest of like the the defense.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Would have wanted to choke McDonald had he said, hey,
march back out there and try and get another stop.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Wow, I think that would have been unfair.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
And then uh, you know, and then you have the
piece that that a tie you're gonna lose the tiebreaker
with the Rams. And then you know, lastly, hey, hey,
you know what, I think there's there's certain things that
that players kind of you know, maybe I'm an old
guy here, but but Tom Osborne going for the nest,
you know, not going for for two in the National
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Championship in nineteen eighty three, and and you know, and
and Pat Pat died did at Auburn, and and the
legacies how that impacted both of them. One one is
thought to have been a coward, one is thought to
have been valiant. I mean, I think there's a certain
bravado and masisma whatever it is that you said, like, no,
(15:37):
we're going for the win and uh and and I
think the the you know, just and and then the
final point would be the math involved three minutes to go.
You give the Rams the ball, You're you're far more
likely to be handing them an assist. You're like John
Stockton feeding the post to call them alone, right, You're
giving them an assist to get their win, the Rams win.
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So I think in multiple ways, going for two was
the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well, I thought it was a great night for Sam Darnald.
It started off as a bad night for Sam Donald.
And you know, you and I were talking off the air,
and you I'm telling you what man after that interception
to Turner with what nine thirty nine to go, I
think in the fourth quarter, third and goal, and it
throws the ball right to a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think he's got Jared Verse coming off the edge.
You had Josh Jones.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I'm not sure what happened there, some miscommunication and verse
just kind of miscommunication.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's empty and yeah, they're they're they're bringing an overload.
You know, you send the center of the right. Yeah,
bring three to the left against two. It's it's just
the math doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, right, So he just comes in, comes in totally unblocked.
He throws the pick, doesn't see the player gets picked off.
There's booze in the audience, there's boos in the stadium,
and I'm thinking kind of like you are that all right? Well,
this just is gas for their fire, the people that
are critical of Sam Darnold. And this is going to
be impossible to defend because that was a horrific interception
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at a horrific time. You're moving the ball, you got
a chance to really do some damage here and get
back in this game, and you just commit an ugly,
ugly interception. So Sam Donald, I think maybe after that interception,
he may have left the stadium and I don't know,
gone and talked to his pastor or his priest. I
don't know what religious denomination Sam Darnald is. Maybe he's Jewish,
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and he called his Rabbi because for him to get
a second shot to overcome that, and the way he
played down the stretch and the way he played in overtime.
I don't know, Hugh, Maybe I'm being corny. I thought
it was a seminal moment last night for our quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
How about you? I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I think, you know, ideally, you say, okay, we got
a few different you know, general characteristics of you.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Know what, my fault, time out, time out because we're
up against the clock. Because I thought this is going
to be a long conversation. I can tell i'bout Sam Donald.
So we got we gotta give this guy his due.
We'll get a break, come back and visit what this
means for Sam, what it meant for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You're hearing two.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Words now a lot more today than you were before
the game yesterday, and you were hearing them a lot yesterday.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And that is super and bowld uh that and Sammy next.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
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Speaker 6 (19:00):
Thirty seven thirty six rams. With a one point lead,
You're in overtime, the top spots in the NFC West
on the line, and the inside track to the one
seed in the NFC all comes down to display tonight
in Seattle. Here we go, the Seahawks going for two
and they go empty trips to Donald's rights. Shota comes
(19:23):
back in, settles on his left hip, Donald's standing on
the left. Hash takes the shotgun snap three step from
looking looking.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Fired on my mouth and it's Coots bis Ton and
Eric Suberts, the god that no longer expected, and the
Seahawks walking up and so on to the top of
the NFC West with the thirty eight thirty seven over
time win tonight here in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, that is the voice Hugh Millen of Kate Scott,
who was working the game for Westwood One. For National
Radio last night, Eric Sobert with the two point conversion,
what's chat more about that play as the show goes on.
But the guy that threw that pass, man, he kind
of needed that, Hughie, don't you think our buddies slinging
Sammy Donald, who at halftime was four of six for
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sixty three yards, had one completion for eight yards in
the second quarter, and the rest of the way eighteen
for twenty eight two oh seven, couple of touchdowns, couple
of picks.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I said it was a seminal moment for Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, in his career. But here's the thing. We've seen
games like that before. We saw it in the Packer
game late last year from Minnesota, saw it in the
Packer game earlier in the year from Minnesota. You mentioned
it a couple of weeks ago that Don James once
told you the only things people remember are the games
you lose, not the games you win. So I think
Sam Donald's been getting a little bit of a bad rap.
(20:50):
But that's quarterbacking, right, That's football. That's what comes along
with playing the most important position in sports. So tell
me about how big last night was for sam and
what you think that game meant to him when he
woke up this morning.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Man, Well, my sense, my hunts would be that it's
it's huge because here he's trying to win over his teammates.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
His teammates are aware of what happened at the end of.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
The season last year with losses to Detroit and to
the Rams in the playoffs, and they know he's a
little bit traveled here. But we'll talk about the interceptions.
Then we'll just have an overview about them.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So then obviously, Mike McDonald, all of us Seahawk fans,
we would prefer he throw less interceptions than more. Right,
Nobody wants him to be within you know, two or
three of the interception lead. And yet there's there's two
factors I think that that should be considered. I'm not
saying they're mitigating, but they are certainly relevant to consider.
(21:55):
Number One, when you consider, okay, that that interceptions would
be generally described as a reflection of your aggressiveness.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And so one thing that that does, I don't know,
you know, balance it out to some degree is that
while he let's just take pro football focus, the big
time throws that Matthew Stafford is number one, Sam Darnold
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is number two. Turnover worthy plays, yeah's donald sixth. But
he but he has less than Patrick Mahomes, less than
Trevor Lawrence, less than Baker Mayfield, and a couple others
including Geno and so I think Mike McDonald's just saying
he's saying, well, I really don't like those turnovers, but
at least we have the big time throws. Sam donald
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is number two in the NFL in terms of the
percentage of passes that go for ten yards or more.
He's number one in the NFL in terms of percentage
of passes that go for twenty yards and more. Now
he's that's a little bit front loaded. At the beginning
of the season, he hasn't been you know that those
ratios haven't been as good. So there's that fact there
that McDonald's saying, hey, we're getting the play. You know,
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Jackson Smith and Jig but is leading the NFL all
of these things. Yes, we're making plays to compensate for
the mistakes. And then lastly, he's winning. He you know,
over the last thirty nine starts, he's won seventy seven
percent of his games, and you know, so there there's that,
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and then he is I want to get the update
the percentage of his of his games where he has
a triple digit passer rating is sixty four percent over
the last over the last three years, over the last
three years, Sam or Patrick Mchomes like under forty percent.
Mahomes for his career is under fifty percent, so is
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Tom Brady and again UH Stafford for thirty nine Stafford, sorry, Sam,
Donald is sixty four percent. So this guy has been
playing a great ball. He's been winning. Yeah, the interceptions
are more than you want. But I think that McDonald
he this is very careful how he is interacting with
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his quarterback, and we see it publicly. He just keeps
on supporting him and says, hey, you just keep being you.
You just keep slinging it because he doesn't want to
paralyze him. He doesn't want those big plays to dry up.
He doesn't want him to lose confidence. And and so
what Donald did yesterday and I'll put a rapper on
it after that second interception is passer rating for the
game was fifty one point one. His his passer rating
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after that the rest of the fourth quarter and overtime
one hundred and thirty seven and then EPA expected points
the best are at point two four. That's UH Stafford
the worst is minus point two four. So think of
that range point two four to minus two four. Donald
was point minus point four to nine up up until
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that second pick, so double the worst, and then he
was positive point ninety eight four times the best.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So for him to.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Emostly, as I've described it, dig out of that hole
and still be able to play clutch football when all
of the weight of that stadium is teammates and everything,
that's just gutty as hell. That has got to be
one of the most difficult things in all of sports.
What he had to do last night.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, no, no question.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And for him to step up, obviously in that clutch
moment and get the job done. I mean the two
point conversion, the clip here we just heard there, right,
I mean it seems like, hey, Sobert comes open, you
find him, the game's overdone. There's more to that play
from Sam Darnold's perspective than just dumping the ball off
to a wide open tight end two yards deep into
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the end zone. So take me through the two point
conversion what Sam saw, what they call because here, a
let's face it, if they don't convert on that two
point conversion and they lose the I think you and
I are in an agreement that we liked it from
the start to go for two. But there's a lot
of people that did not, and those voices would be
loud as hell today.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Sure, you know, and that's the cost of doing business.
And Mike McDonald doesn't strike me as the type of
guy that would be second guessing. I think that he
just he would just be like, hey, you know that,
that's what we do. Uh, there's a reason the windshield
is about twenty times bigger than the rearview mirror.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let's let's just keep pushing and and and so.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Look, there was a concept somewhat related, not not entirely,
but somewhat related to the the touchdown that Jackson Smith
and Jigba had against the Texans at the end of
the second quarter. They're trying to get Injigba and on
a spray meaning widen and then and then inbreaking route
to the back of the end zone to Donald's right,
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you have uh Barner from this from a bunch of
trips to to Donald's right, Barner's gonna go over the ball,
try and pull the defender in there and then and
then uh, Cooper Cup is gonna run the flat to
try and those two guys underneath are gonna try and
create a window in between for JSN to to get
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in in the back of the end zone. All three
of them were gloved up very You know that RAM
team under Chris Shula is a very well coached defensive team.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They're very, very good.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
So he had nothing on any of the three concepts.
To his front side to his right, Now what does
he have? He has two checkdowns. He has Zach Sarbonay
the running back to his left. He's going to do
a check swing. Does a linebacker come to my side?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Possibly his safety to that side. Any four week to
that side I got him, Nope or three week he
depending on the front because there was a tight end
over there. Anyways, he's gonna he's got his check swing.
And then you had sober. He is gonna block, block, block,
He's the tight end what's called the nub tight end.
Nub tight end is the the eligibras receiver away from trips.
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So the nub tight end is gonna block, block, block,
and then check over the middle. The best thing I
can say, two things happened on that play that made
it one. Number one great protection on a game where
the protection was very spotty. They manned up and you know,
here you've got a backup tackle. I'll show you the
photo you got Josh Jones. He is just dominating Jared
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Vers out there like phenomenal protection in one on one situation.
It's beautiful football. And then the other thing is darnold
he didn't force anything to the front side everything. There
wasn't anything close to being open for him. It's it
would have been easy to throw the check swing out
to Sarbonate, and if he does that, the Seahawks lose
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the game. Instead, he went with the check right over
the middle, the delay checkdown after having pass blocked, and it's.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
A really good scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
The detail that Clint Kubiak built into that play was pivotal.
But Donald had to avoid because it's easy to start
getting your eyes to scan you're going right to left,
and you just you think, well, I'll just go to
the swing to left, and all of a sudden you
throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Sharbonny gets tackled on the three yard line. The rams
are the ones that are, you know, jumping up and
down and they just won the game. So credit Donald
for knowing which checkdown to go to whether you want
there to me, they're simultaneously the fourth and fifth guy.
There's certainly the fourth or the fifth in the progression,
and you know the details matter, and they were there
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for Seattle.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well, it was a it was a resurgence in the
middle of the game for not just Sam Donald but
also Mike McDonald. We got a break here, We're gonna
get our handicapper here, Lee Sterling on the air, give
us some picks for the weekend. So at four o'clock,
I want to talk about that because I was tweeting
about it. I'm sure you were thinking about it. A
lot of fans were saying it. There was a large
portion of that game where Sean McVay was whipping Mike McDonald,
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I mean whipping him. This was a thank you sir,
and may I have another bending him over sideways and
taking him to school during that game last night.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So what happened?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
What happened to turn that tide and go to the
exact opposite where Mike McDonald's the one when Matt Stafford
gets the ball, I mean, hell, Hugh, before we just
break real quick.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
First and ten from the RAM forty nine tie game,
one oh.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Two left to go. You're thinking, oh my god, all
they need is a field goal. Are they gonna win
the game? From that point on? Matt Stafford goes oh
for three, they punt the ball and we go to ot.
So we got to come back and talk about what
Mike McDonald did to wake up against Sean McVay, because
that was gnarly for a big portion of that game.
Lee Sterling will join next Hugh Millan, back and forth
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on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3 (31:40):
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
Sorry, Lee, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I am a complete and total mess after that game
last night, Complete and total freaking mess. It is a
miracle I can even stand up and walk after last
night Seahawk games. So anyway, how are you picking the locks?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Coming up?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Obviously later on tonight, looking forward to that forty three,
thirty six and one on the air after a three
and two another winning week last week?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's going on down there in the South South Florida Bell.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Everything, Shood? I was rooting hard. I was even jumping
up and down. I mean that two point conversion where
it looked like they had did not get it the
first time, and you know, it was an actual laddle
of that. I'd never seen that play before. And then
the call that got him the win was absolutely insane,
you know what. It was almost as loud as the
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Orange Bowl was when we beat you guys fifty eight
to seven. Almost.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's the case. And by
the way, if you're going to be a smart ass,
at least get the score right. It was sixty five
to seven, not fifty eighth seventy five. Okay, yeah, come on, man,
all right, Lee sterling with us all right. CFP starts
in about an hour. Alabama I got it one half
tide given a point and a half against Oklahoma in Norman.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Who do you like tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And why?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
All right? So the game is in Norman, which is important.
I also think they by far have the better defense
and also the better special teams. They got a kicker.
Take Sandell twenty three for twenty four and field goals.
He's seven for seven fifty yards plus. The Bama kickers
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kicking field goals thirteen for twenty not even one fifty
yard plus field goal here. I don't think Ky Simpson
is right. I mean, since he had that back injury,
he hadn't looked good. And also the offensive line well
out ten sacks last three games. I think they've lost
their mojo here. I think Oklahoma's going to take him
down for the second time this season and three times
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in two years. Wow, owe you twenty four to twenty
they move.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
On, all right, twenty four to twenty take the Sooners
over Alabama. And Kaitlyn de Boris says, Lee, Okay, tomorrow morning,
I know what you'll be doing. You'll be on your
couchs probably with your pants off watching Miami in Texas
A and M in the first round of the CFP
from college station.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm actually shocked you're not going.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
If you and Mark were actually as big a Miami
fans as you say you are, you'd be there in person.
But A and M at home given three and a
half in college station against your Hurricanes tomorrow, what do
you think?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well, I gotta do shows like yours. I can't let
you guys down. I will be there if they make
second round and have a rematch of the game we
were at in two thousand and two where we got robbed.
So I've been pretty on the money with both of
these teams. I said in twenty twenty two that Texam
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was going to win the game by six. They did
that against Miami. I said in twenty twenty three Miami
Miami was going to return the favor win by more
than a touchdown. They did it. I think A and
M is good, but I don't think they're great. I mean,
before that Texas game, they had played in SEC schedule
where their opponents were combined eleven and forty. So they
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want to make fun of the acc bottom part of
the SEC isn't great either. And also that twenty twenty
two game that Miami lost by six points. They had
numerous numerous illegal procedures delay at games, they missed two
field goals, dropped the punt. The quarterback was Tyler van Dijke.
I mean, Dick Van Dyke at one hundred years old,
(35:28):
would have done better. Now they've got Carson Beck. He's
won a national title. I mean, he's beaten Texas at
Texas Tennessee. At Tennessee, they have the best player on
the field at Tony Wide receiver eighty four catches, no
drops here. I think Miami's going to do a number
here on Texas. A and m we return the favor.
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We're going to be playing on New Year's Eve against
Ohio State Miami twenty six to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
All right, take the Canes in the three and a
half at least as they went outright, all Right, Oregon
and James Madison tomorrow in Eugene. I'm hopeful, beyond hope,
but I don't see any hope, to be honest with you,
for James Madison against Oregon. Tell me I'm wrong, please,
for the love of God, Oregon given twenty and a
half tomorrow against James Madison.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I think they can cover. I don't think they can win.
Underrated team. They have the number two rushing defense in
the country, our third and yards per play against here.
Oregon generally wins on the ground as their passing game
soddenly in the top fifty, but far from elite in
my opinion. Here, look at the go back and watch
that James Madison game if you have time anyone. They
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controlled the game against Louisville, had the ball for almost
thirty eight minutes of the sixty minute game. They ran
the ball forty seven times. Here, I think they can
move the chains. Here saying this game Oregon wins thirty
one to twenty. But James Madison, the Duke's cover.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Got it all right.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Takess take James Madison in the points. Tampa Bay Carolina
a big game this weekend in the NFC South. Buccaneers
given three at Carolina.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
What do you think these Tampa Bay defenders? They just
can't get off blocks anymore. I don't know whether you're
getting old, they're injured here. Offensive line doesn't look good.
Carolina eight one against the spread as a home dog
with six outright upsets here. You guys are gonna face
them next week. This is a team that is good.
How bad is Tampa? They face the Falcons and the
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Falcons had nineteen penalties against them for one hundred and
twenty five yards and still couldn't win the game. Another
roy team favorite, Carolina wins twenty three to twenty. That's
control of the division.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I got you, and then we got the Panthers next
Sunday down there. How about the Niners, who are still
very much alive for the NFC West Championship. By the way, Lee,
they got the Colts and Old Man Rivers on Monday
night in Indy, they're given five and a half.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yeah. I don't think this Indy can play with the
type of intensity that they did last week when they
held the Seahawks to fifty yards on twenty two carries
on the ground. And I mean the offense. I mean
it's just punching. Judy Robert Sala he's seen the best
of what they do here with a full game tape,
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I think they shut down Indianapolis San Francisco twenty six ten.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Okay, and you got a big game green Bay Chicago.
Lots of guys are out for the Bears, lots of
guys questionable for Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You got something up your sleeve, don't you.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
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Speaker 2 (38:53):
All right, Lee, you're the man, great stuff. We'll talk
down the row.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Buddy, appreciate a pal Okay, all right, all right here
hes Oklahoma tonight against Alabama. He likes Miami tomorrow. He
likes James Madison to cover, but O're gonna win. He
likes Carolina against Tampa, and he likes the Niners to
cover against the Colts on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
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