April 9, 2024 • 17 mins
Our favorite, Mo Rocca, stops by to talk about Elvis' CBS Sunday Morning piece which is still filming and lets us know all about the "walk and talk".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We always love it when Morocca shows up and eats
our catering.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yes, we specific they got it for him, though we did.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got the crunchy chicken sandwiches for you. And he
walks in and Moses, I'm sorry, I'm wearing a vissil line.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh no, but don't you take it out so you
can eat and then put a bag.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
That's what they tell you. It's a prison. This is
the first morning I've had it, and it's a prison.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, this is day one.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is day one. This is the first time I've
been interviewed wearing it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You can hear it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You've been totally right.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I sound like even more like Daffy Doc.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, you sound like Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
I'm getting a visiline in a week and I can't
wait to ken like Miley Irish.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm sosh, she happened disiline? Is that what she sounds
like that? I think it's Veneer, but I'm not here.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, no, I know I sound like a cat, so
which is fine?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Sound fine? You don't don't, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you sound great, But.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
It's just it is a lifetime sentence. And I just
this morning, I just I just thought, I wish that
I could be like Rip van Winkle and just go
to sleep for twenty years and have somebody gently replace
the cartridges in my mouth every two weeks, and then
wake up and be Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's how he did it.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
What was the decision, mo, that you decided at this
point in your life?
Speaker 7 (01:21):
You know what time for?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
In vizzilone, my dentist said that there was one tooth
I can't remember, not the canine, I always the canine
makes me laugh. I don't know what this one is called.
That was sort of drifting in a weird place. It
was sort of becoming a snaggle tooth, which I wouldn't
have mine dead. And I did I.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have snaggle tooth? Because you know, I'll tell you why.
I'll finish your story then i'll know.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I just was thinking, Also, did Snaggle Plus have a
snaggle tooth?
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know, go plus.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's fifteen people in here.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
No, No, he wasn't Flinstones. He was Hanna Barbara, but
he was He's a cartoon cat.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, Yes, everyone knows him.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because he was flamboyant doesn't mean he liked other male cats.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm pretty sure that he was a chim cat who
liked other tom cats.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So he has a very straight set of I mean,
his teeth are very both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What what what?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I didn't realize he was gay.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We don't know. He's a cartoon character. They said he's gay.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Okay, he's gay, Like at this point, he's wikipedia gay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Taylor.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
He did. Yeah, he was very much like Grip Tailor.
He was very much like Rip Tailor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I had him visit Line and I kept going
out to dinner and leaving them at the restaurant. So
it was thousands of dollars later.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I'm like, that's a crazyly expensive bad habits.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's why I still have crooked teeth.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Mowd get regular braces. You could just have a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It looked like Bobby Brady.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I love it. Yeah, I love braces.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So Morock is here. We gotta sell to write several things.
First of all, your book is out in several months.
I've seen this on your on your one of your
social media accounts. This is book two? Really?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Book three?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh really?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So mobituaries, that beautiful, beautiful book and think but there
was one before that then.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Was I wrote a book about called All the President's Pets,
the story of one reporter who refused to roll over.
It was sort of a cross between Charlotte's webbon the
Da Vinci Code. I took all of the of the
presidential pets, actual presidential pets who had lived in the
White House, because basically I had this store of unusable knowledge.
And an agent came to me and said, do you
(03:36):
have a book in you? And I said, well, I
know everything about all the pets who have lived in
the White House. And he said, what can you do
with that? And so I created a thriller about it
was actually doing it. Where do you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
All?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Twelve people who read it can tell you all about it.
But I loved it that it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
About it's gonna be my beach reading this year.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'd be very curious to see what you think after
you You'll be like, wait, I had no idea. I
took payot before I read this, But yes, it was
a thriller about a white house. I wrote it in
two thousand and four, where all the decisions were actually
being made by White House pets of the past. They
all were living forever on the South Lawn. It was
(04:19):
pretty freaky, but it was really fun to write.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know well, I mean when you has this been
a lifelong thing with you since you were a kid.
Your imagination has just been a vital best friend of
yours the whole time, because your imagination is vivid and
fantastic and all those words.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, thank you. Yeah, I think it is. And I
think my father really really nurtured that and supported it. Yeah,
I think he really he. Yes, absolutely, just if you
go with the idea and just keep pursuing it. And yeah,
so I'm happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I wonder how many parents have kids, maybe
several kids, but there's that one child of theirs that
is just it's always coming up with great stories, maybe
lies about imaginary friends or whatever, but they're just so
interestingly multi layered as a kid. And to be able
to have a child like that, nurture that, like your
(05:15):
dad did nurture that. Let's have kids. Let's have kids.
All I'm not doing it. I think Tony County, Let's
have kids.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, maybe you would have been a great Jeopardy host.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Very much and the best one. You need to go
and reset this.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, I appreciate that, you know. I will tell you
and I'm not just being a flatterer here when I
when I did do and I think I told you
guys about this last time when I did do Celebrity Jeopardy,
I mean, I was really impressed by Ken Jennings and
I don't I mean, maybe that seems obvious, but it's
you know, manning those controls is pretty difficult, and he
was pretty flawless.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he started out as a contestant great contestants, so
crazy to me, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He made the leap look at that. Yeah, I was
watching him the other day. I was thinking, he seems
very polished for some one who is not from that world. Yeah,
but now he's he's winning it. He's doing it really well.
By the way, just turning us on Morocca is here
from CBO well CBS Sunday Morning. But so many other
things you do, and so we always love when you
visit us, and you he always I tell you. Mo
(06:15):
and I hung out at jingle Ball backstage at the
Garden and the only thing he wanted was a Krispy
Chicken sandwich. So our friends from Green Goes brought Chrispy
Chicken sandwiches just for you today.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That I am so honored, and they were amazing, and Gandhi,
the taco that you created was also great.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, my taco, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wish I would have created it. They created it.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I went so many times, probably like three or
four times a week to get that taco during the pandemic,
that they said, oh my god, we're gonna name this
thing after you. But now I should take all the credit.
I wish, But it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is there a dish at a New York restaurant they
should probably name after you because you eat it all
the time?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Oh well, I you know it's funny. I always go
for this sort of chicken and avocado RepA, you know,
at a Venezuelan place or Eighth Street. That's really great.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And I'm not sure, you know, I'm still looking for
and I know everyone hates this word. I'm still looking
for a very moist barbecue chicken.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Froggy, he said the word. I'm going to let that go.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's sort of like a jar where I had to
drop a quarter. Now that that really is disgusting. I'm
not putting my inviscil line in there because that will
just grow. It will see monkeys will be crawling out
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, So the so the Morocco I'm into those.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yes, the Morocca.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I love them. It's it's it isn't what you think.
If you don't know what a rape it is, it's
a R E P A.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And by the way, you know that that was so
much fun that interview with Jason Trulo and Michael Booble,
aren't they They're great? And when they talked about their
joint name, the whole time I was thinking, oh God,
please don't let it be Boo Bullo. It's it's yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think they have it was so long ago. You
know what. Interviewing guys like that is easy because they
really you just pull the string and they go, Like
Chattie Cathy, you remember, is it like that with you?
I mean there are some people who it's like pulling
friggin teeth out of them. But sometimes you just say
idea and they go with it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yes, But the I think oftentimes the decisive factor is
how they feel about the show. So if they come
into it saying they love CBS Sunday Morning, or if
they in fact love the show longtime watchers, it just
greases the wheels. It's so much easier. And that's why
your interview, like so many with Michael and Jason, was
(08:42):
just so easy, because they love you and love the show.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I guess so CBS Sunday Morning, by the way, I've
always thought it's always been the best show on TV,
and people really are up on Sunday Morning says yes.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He talks to us about it every time. Did you
watch CBS Sunday Night this week?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Rarely an episode goes by what I don't shed it
here of laughter or sadness or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You can be laughing or crying at your piece.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We don't know if there's going to be piece you.
I don't see a fo I don't see a story
for me. I don't see a story for there.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
If there is a story there, but I think you
won't be laughing, you won't be crying, You'll be in shock.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The story with Tom.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Pullman, so Mo and the entire incredible crew from CBS
came all the way It is Santa Fe, New Mexico,
and we got to hang out with each other. We
went out to dinner with each other. MO and I
actually had fisticuffs about he pushed me.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What we were doing a walk and talk where you're walking,
the camera's way away, there's a catch you talking and
we had to walk past the camera and he pushed me.
I said, why are you pushing me? He says, I
was afraid you were going to stop in front of
the camera. We needed the shot. Do you remember that,
min I'm like, you pushed me.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
He's a director, And then I wrapped your knuckles. No,
when it was nineteen fifties Catholic school, that's how we
do things on you push all of your guys, like,
oh my god. Yeah, I almost pushed Michael Douglass into
the Pacific Ocean. I kind of up there and he
just wasn't getting it right. The walk and talk is
(10:16):
everything talking.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
About the walk and explain to people to walk and talk.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So this is what okay. The walk and talk is
the most delicious, ridiculous stereotype of a television profile. And
it's you know, I mean, Barbara Walters was great at it,
and you know she would be like, you know, Share
has been a star ever since nineteen sixties and you're
walking through like the estate or something. It's it's something
to cut to to so that it's b roll, so
(10:42):
that you can see another scene and transition between different
parts of his hit down interview and you know it
when you see it. But for the longest, I had
heard that David Sidaris, the great humorous David Sedaris, would
not consent to be profiled because he dreaded the walk
and talk how anxious it would make him. And I
(11:03):
can't remember, I was in some interview and this came up,
and then and I had heard that Tina Fay was
also anti walk and talk, and I said, oh, well,
that's interesting. Apparently tinafa also has an anti walk and
talk policy. And little did I know that the publicist
who was on site for this other interview also represented
(11:25):
Tina And then she just piped up che because TINFA
has no such anti walk and talk policy, And I
just love, I just love that this was being saying.
So by the way, so I don't I don't actually
want to spread misinformation here. Apparently Tenafe is not against
walk and talk, but I would I would respect her
if she were, because it is so ridiculous. It is
(11:45):
so awkward and ridiculous, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So the walk and talk is this. If you didn't
get it, let me I just learned this. So you'll
see you'll see the reporter, the journalist and the guest
walking and talking with each other, but you don't hear them,
but you'll hear a voice over later going. We took
a walk down the streets of Santa Fe and we
went to a local restaurant. The thing is that you're
talking about things that are so stupid. Yeah, I mean
(12:11):
they're not a part of the interview. For instance, most like,
so do you prefer dark chocolate or milk chocolate? I'm like,
that's the conversation we were having. But it looks like
we're in this really great conversation.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, usually they'll be. There'll be a little sound up sometimes,
so you'll be sort of like, you know, Elvis took
me to the heart of Santa Fe, and all you'll
just hear is Nombae because everyone's obsessed with Nan Bay
and Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Anyway, when you see this, when you see the walking talk,
now you know the background story. This is behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Stuff, because you do see it all the time, so
now I know you're not talking about anything.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well, my fantasy is to do eight like an eight
minute profile of someone that's just one continuous walk and
talk and just so that the audience at first will
be like, this is okay, this is nice. We're seeing
you know, the correspondent, you know, walking with I don't know,
woakuing Phoenix or whatever, and and and just it just
(13:05):
keeps going. And then I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would be so there's never any interview whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I think it would be a discussion, but it
would just be one continuous shot like where are they walking?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And then never they never get anywhere, They.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Never get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had to go to this one point way up
the street and walk toward the camera and passed it
seventeen times. Yeah, because they wanted to get it just right.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, we wanted you to get your steps in because
that sort of an intervention.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Thanks mo No.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And at that altitude, believe me, I deserve hazard pay
for a walk and talk that high up. It's just
I was lightheaded, but I didn't fall into a crabass.
As a miracle tacos they call them.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
There if somebody turns down the walk and talk. Can
the interview still go?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It's interesting. I think that that in some cases is
a deal breaker. Oh, I mean, look, if the person
has trouble walking, will give them a break.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Roll and talk if they're in a wheelchair.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Right, but why not? There's so much I can say
right now that would get me hated.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But the.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Look, there was one great
star of the Golden Age of Hollywood who was less
mobile than we thought. Her publicists had lied to get
her a profile. They didn't need to lie, and they said, oh,
she'll be tap dancing, and it turned out she couldn't walk,
so there was no I mean really, they were like,
she'll dance for you, she'll do all this and and
uh and none of that was happening. I'm not kidding.
(14:33):
Oh no, I can't. I just feel bad because she's
still with us a bit. I mean a minute, she's dead.
I'll tell you r she could do that, but anyway, yeah,
and then she then she was literally wheeled at We thought, Okay,
we're not going to be she's not gonna be tap
dancing and we're not going to get a walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
What if you had their nose and their belly at
the same time, and they could do that because.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That's hard to do.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But we're doing sobriety tests.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She's trying to freshen your game. So I got a question.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shows like CBS Sunday Morning in sixty minutes they offer you, guys,
offer long form storytelling, which you don't see in many
TV shows these days. Why is that? Why are these
like there's only a couple of these shows that exist
that allow this type of journalism.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I would say that there is still an appetite for it,
but everyone else has gotten really nervous. It's sort of
like a comic who starts speeding up their delivery because
they are getting nervous and they're afraid they're losing the audience.
And our fearless leader, our executive producer, Ran Morrison, who's
kind of a legend in television news, has sort of
(15:45):
said no, and we're going to We're going to keep
doing things the way we do it, not you know,
not be stubborn about it. But I think other people
got nervous and when like, okay, everyone has a short
attention span, a shorter attention span, which they most people do,
but they're still some people left who want to hear
someone complete a sentence.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's what I love about it. That's what I love
about CV Sunday Morning, get storytelling. But as you say this, Nate,
the producers over there going we got to wrap up.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I see what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What he's doing.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
He was like, well, let's walk and talk him out
of here.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You'll never be a legend in TV journalism. We no,
I mean, I'm doing my job. Like you know, you
have your own producer, Mo, and I'm sure she has
to do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
What is your job?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Though? Well, at this point I.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Need to make you rap because we do have how
many minutes of commercials?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We still have to game about twenty three?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Okay, well why don't we just to wrap things up?
We leave you now with Nate pushing Mo out of
the studio.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So, oh he's rolling about. Are you run to get
to roll Mo out of the studio? That is so tacky?
That is so tacky. Oh, you just catapulted it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think I objected. So, I mean, is there really
going to be historials.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You in your time?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That is a good questioning their time? Have you ever,
like you have follow up question, have.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You ever filmed really quickly. Have you ever filmed like
all this time, like you wasted with Elvis and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't do one.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
No, we just want to We just want to be
absolutely sure that he doesn't commit a crime that will
get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, the longer you wait, the more likelihood.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
As I said, we are like we are on such
a grad school schedule. I mean, I'm still finishing my
piece on the first top gun. I mean like like
you should get to that time. It's so timely, small.
We always love when you come to see it. You
always you always leave the room a lot smarter than
(17:53):
it was when you walked in.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now rolled his ass out of it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
The Mercedes Ben's Interview Lounge
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We always love it when Morocca shows up and eats
our catering.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yes, we specific they got it for him, though we did.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got the crunchy chicken sandwiches for you. And he
walks in and Moses, I'm sorry, I'm wearing a vissil line.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh no, but don't you take it out so you
can eat and then put a bag.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
That's what they tell you. It's a prison. This is
the first morning I've had it, and it's a prison.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, this is day one.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is day one. This is the first time I've
been interviewed wearing it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You can hear it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You've been totally right.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I sound like even more like Daffy Doc.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, you sound like Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
I'm getting a visiline in a week and I can't
wait to ken like Miley Irish.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm sosh, she happened disiline? Is that what she sounds
like that? I think it's Veneer, but I'm not here.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, no, I know I sound like a cat, so
which is fine?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Sound fine? You don't don't, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you sound great, But.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
It's just it is a lifetime sentence. And I just
this morning, I just I just thought, I wish that
I could be like Rip van Winkle and just go
to sleep for twenty years and have somebody gently replace
the cartridges in my mouth every two weeks, and then
wake up and be Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's how he did it.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
What was the decision, mo, that you decided at this
point in your life?
Speaker 7 (01:21):
You know what time for?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
In vizzilone, my dentist said that there was one tooth
I can't remember, not the canine, I always the canine
makes me laugh. I don't know what this one is called.
That was sort of drifting in a weird place. It
was sort of becoming a snaggle tooth, which I wouldn't
have mine dead. And I did I.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have snaggle tooth? Because you know, I'll tell you why.
I'll finish your story then i'll know.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I just was thinking, Also, did Snaggle Plus have a
snaggle tooth?
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know, go plus.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's fifteen people in here.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
No, No, he wasn't Flinstones. He was Hanna Barbara, but
he was He's a cartoon cat.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, Yes, everyone knows him.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because he was flamboyant doesn't mean he liked other male cats.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm pretty sure that he was a chim cat who
liked other tom cats.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So he has a very straight set of I mean,
his teeth are very both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What what what?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I didn't realize he was gay.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We don't know. He's a cartoon character. They said he's gay.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Okay, he's gay, Like at this point, he's wikipedia gay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Taylor.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
He did. Yeah, he was very much like Grip Tailor.
He was very much like Rip Tailor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I had him visit Line and I kept going
out to dinner and leaving them at the restaurant. So
it was thousands of dollars later.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I'm like, that's a crazyly expensive bad habits.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's why I still have crooked teeth.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Mowd get regular braces. You could just have a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It looked like Bobby Brady.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I love it. Yeah, I love braces.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So Morock is here. We gotta sell to write several things.
First of all, your book is out in several months.
I've seen this on your on your one of your
social media accounts. This is book two? Really?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Book three?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh really?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So mobituaries, that beautiful, beautiful book and think but there
was one before that then.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Was I wrote a book about called All the President's Pets,
the story of one reporter who refused to roll over.
It was sort of a cross between Charlotte's webbon the
Da Vinci Code. I took all of the of the
presidential pets, actual presidential pets who had lived in the
White House, because basically I had this store of unusable knowledge.
And an agent came to me and said, do you
(03:36):
have a book in you? And I said, well, I
know everything about all the pets who have lived in
the White House. And he said, what can you do
with that? And so I created a thriller about it
was actually doing it. Where do you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
All?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Twelve people who read it can tell you all about it.
But I loved it that it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
About it's gonna be my beach reading this year.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'd be very curious to see what you think after
you You'll be like, wait, I had no idea. I
took payot before I read this, But yes, it was
a thriller about a white house. I wrote it in
two thousand and four, where all the decisions were actually
being made by White House pets of the past. They
all were living forever on the South Lawn. It was
(04:19):
pretty freaky, but it was really fun to write.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know well, I mean when you has this been
a lifelong thing with you since you were a kid.
Your imagination has just been a vital best friend of
yours the whole time, because your imagination is vivid and
fantastic and all those words.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, thank you. Yeah, I think it is. And I
think my father really really nurtured that and supported it. Yeah,
I think he really he. Yes, absolutely, just if you
go with the idea and just keep pursuing it. And yeah,
so I'm happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I wonder how many parents have kids, maybe
several kids, but there's that one child of theirs that
is just it's always coming up with great stories, maybe
lies about imaginary friends or whatever, but they're just so
interestingly multi layered as a kid. And to be able
to have a child like that, nurture that, like your
(05:15):
dad did nurture that. Let's have kids. Let's have kids.
All I'm not doing it. I think Tony County, Let's
have kids.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, maybe you would have been a great Jeopardy host.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Very much and the best one. You need to go
and reset this.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, I appreciate that, you know. I will tell you
and I'm not just being a flatterer here when I
when I did do and I think I told you
guys about this last time when I did do Celebrity Jeopardy,
I mean, I was really impressed by Ken Jennings and
I don't I mean, maybe that seems obvious, but it's
you know, manning those controls is pretty difficult, and he
was pretty flawless.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he started out as a contestant great contestants, so
crazy to me, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He made the leap look at that. Yeah, I was
watching him the other day. I was thinking, he seems
very polished for some one who is not from that world. Yeah,
but now he's he's winning it. He's doing it really well.
By the way, just turning us on Morocca is here
from CBO well CBS Sunday Morning. But so many other
things you do, and so we always love when you
visit us, and you he always I tell you. Mo
(06:15):
and I hung out at jingle Ball backstage at the
Garden and the only thing he wanted was a Krispy
Chicken sandwich. So our friends from Green Goes brought Chrispy
Chicken sandwiches just for you today.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That I am so honored, and they were amazing, and Gandhi,
the taco that you created was also great.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, my taco, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wish I would have created it. They created it.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I went so many times, probably like three or
four times a week to get that taco during the pandemic,
that they said, oh my god, we're gonna name this
thing after you. But now I should take all the credit.
I wish, But it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is there a dish at a New York restaurant they
should probably name after you because you eat it all
the time?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Oh well, I you know it's funny. I always go
for this sort of chicken and avocado RepA, you know,
at a Venezuelan place or Eighth Street. That's really great.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And I'm not sure, you know, I'm still looking for
and I know everyone hates this word. I'm still looking
for a very moist barbecue chicken.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Froggy, he said the word. I'm going to let that go.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's sort of like a jar where I had to
drop a quarter. Now that that really is disgusting. I'm
not putting my inviscil line in there because that will
just grow. It will see monkeys will be crawling out
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, So the so the Morocco I'm into those.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yes, the Morocca.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I love them. It's it's it isn't what you think.
If you don't know what a rape it is, it's
a R E P A.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And by the way, you know that that was so
much fun that interview with Jason Trulo and Michael Booble,
aren't they They're great? And when they talked about their
joint name, the whole time I was thinking, oh God,
please don't let it be Boo Bullo. It's it's yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think they have it was so long ago. You
know what. Interviewing guys like that is easy because they
really you just pull the string and they go, Like
Chattie Cathy, you remember, is it like that with you?
I mean there are some people who it's like pulling
friggin teeth out of them. But sometimes you just say
idea and they go with it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yes, But the I think oftentimes the decisive factor is
how they feel about the show. So if they come
into it saying they love CBS Sunday Morning, or if
they in fact love the show longtime watchers, it just
greases the wheels. It's so much easier. And that's why
your interview, like so many with Michael and Jason, was
(08:42):
just so easy, because they love you and love the show.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I guess so CBS Sunday Morning, by the way, I've
always thought it's always been the best show on TV,
and people really are up on Sunday Morning says yes.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He talks to us about it every time. Did you
watch CBS Sunday Night this week?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Rarely an episode goes by what I don't shed it
here of laughter or sadness or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You can be laughing or crying at your piece.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We don't know if there's going to be piece you.
I don't see a fo I don't see a story
for me. I don't see a story for there.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
If there is a story there, but I think you
won't be laughing, you won't be crying, You'll be in shock.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The story with Tom.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Pullman, so Mo and the entire incredible crew from CBS
came all the way It is Santa Fe, New Mexico,
and we got to hang out with each other. We
went out to dinner with each other. MO and I
actually had fisticuffs about he pushed me.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What we were doing a walk and talk where you're walking,
the camera's way away, there's a catch you talking and
we had to walk past the camera and he pushed me.
I said, why are you pushing me? He says, I
was afraid you were going to stop in front of
the camera. We needed the shot. Do you remember that,
min I'm like, you pushed me.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
He's a director, And then I wrapped your knuckles. No,
when it was nineteen fifties Catholic school, that's how we
do things on you push all of your guys, like,
oh my god. Yeah, I almost pushed Michael Douglass into
the Pacific Ocean. I kind of up there and he
just wasn't getting it right. The walk and talk is
(10:16):
everything talking.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
About the walk and explain to people to walk and talk.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So this is what okay. The walk and talk is
the most delicious, ridiculous stereotype of a television profile. And
it's you know, I mean, Barbara Walters was great at it,
and you know she would be like, you know, Share
has been a star ever since nineteen sixties and you're
walking through like the estate or something. It's it's something
to cut to to so that it's b roll, so
(10:42):
that you can see another scene and transition between different
parts of his hit down interview and you know it
when you see it. But for the longest, I had
heard that David Sidaris, the great humorous David Sedaris, would
not consent to be profiled because he dreaded the walk
and talk how anxious it would make him. And I
(11:03):
can't remember, I was in some interview and this came up,
and then and I had heard that Tina Fay was
also anti walk and talk, and I said, oh, well,
that's interesting. Apparently tinafa also has an anti walk and
talk policy. And little did I know that the publicist
who was on site for this other interview also represented
(11:25):
Tina And then she just piped up che because TINFA
has no such anti walk and talk policy, And I
just love, I just love that this was being saying.
So by the way, so I don't I don't actually
want to spread misinformation here. Apparently Tenafe is not against
walk and talk, but I would I would respect her
if she were, because it is so ridiculous. It is
(11:45):
so awkward and ridiculous, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So the walk and talk is this. If you didn't
get it, let me I just learned this. So you'll
see you'll see the reporter, the journalist and the guest
walking and talking with each other, but you don't hear them,
but you'll hear a voice over later going. We took
a walk down the streets of Santa Fe and we
went to a local restaurant. The thing is that you're
talking about things that are so stupid. Yeah, I mean
(12:11):
they're not a part of the interview. For instance, most like,
so do you prefer dark chocolate or milk chocolate? I'm like,
that's the conversation we were having. But it looks like
we're in this really great conversation.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, usually they'll be. There'll be a little sound up sometimes,
so you'll be sort of like, you know, Elvis took
me to the heart of Santa Fe, and all you'll
just hear is Nombae because everyone's obsessed with Nan Bay
and Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Anyway, when you see this, when you see the walking talk,
now you know the background story. This is behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Stuff, because you do see it all the time, so
now I know you're not talking about anything.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well, my fantasy is to do eight like an eight
minute profile of someone that's just one continuous walk and
talk and just so that the audience at first will
be like, this is okay, this is nice. We're seeing
you know, the correspondent, you know, walking with I don't know,
woakuing Phoenix or whatever, and and and just it just
(13:05):
keeps going. And then I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would be so there's never any interview whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I think it would be a discussion, but it
would just be one continuous shot like where are they walking?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And then never they never get anywhere, They.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Never get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had to go to this one point way up
the street and walk toward the camera and passed it
seventeen times. Yeah, because they wanted to get it just right.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, we wanted you to get your steps in because
that sort of an intervention.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Thanks mo No.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And at that altitude, believe me, I deserve hazard pay
for a walk and talk that high up. It's just
I was lightheaded, but I didn't fall into a crabass.
As a miracle tacos they call them.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
There if somebody turns down the walk and talk. Can
the interview still go?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It's interesting. I think that that in some cases is
a deal breaker. Oh, I mean, look, if the person
has trouble walking, will give them a break.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Roll and talk if they're in a wheelchair.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Right, but why not? There's so much I can say
right now that would get me hated.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But the.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Look, there was one great
star of the Golden Age of Hollywood who was less
mobile than we thought. Her publicists had lied to get
her a profile. They didn't need to lie, and they said, oh,
she'll be tap dancing, and it turned out she couldn't walk,
so there was no I mean really, they were like,
she'll dance for you, she'll do all this and and
uh and none of that was happening. I'm not kidding.
(14:33):
Oh no, I can't. I just feel bad because she's
still with us a bit. I mean a minute, she's dead.
I'll tell you r she could do that, but anyway, yeah,
and then she then she was literally wheeled at We thought, Okay,
we're not going to be she's not gonna be tap
dancing and we're not going to get a walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
What if you had their nose and their belly at
the same time, and they could do that because.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That's hard to do.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But we're doing sobriety tests.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She's trying to freshen your game. So I got a question.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shows like CBS Sunday Morning in sixty minutes they offer you, guys,
offer long form storytelling, which you don't see in many
TV shows these days. Why is that? Why are these
like there's only a couple of these shows that exist
that allow this type of journalism.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I would say that there is still an appetite for it,
but everyone else has gotten really nervous. It's sort of
like a comic who starts speeding up their delivery because
they are getting nervous and they're afraid they're losing the audience.
And our fearless leader, our executive producer, Ran Morrison, who's
kind of a legend in television news, has sort of
(15:45):
said no, and we're going to We're going to keep
doing things the way we do it, not you know,
not be stubborn about it. But I think other people
got nervous and when like, okay, everyone has a short
attention span, a shorter attention span, which they most people do,
but they're still some people left who want to hear
someone complete a sentence.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's what I love about it. That's what I love
about CV Sunday Morning, get storytelling. But as you say this, Nate,
the producers over there going we got to wrap up.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I see what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What he's doing.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
He was like, well, let's walk and talk him out
of here.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You'll never be a legend in TV journalism. We no,
I mean, I'm doing my job. Like you know, you
have your own producer, Mo, and I'm sure she has
to do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
What is your job?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Though? Well, at this point I.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Need to make you rap because we do have how
many minutes of commercials?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We still have to game about twenty three?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Okay, well why don't we just to wrap things up?
We leave you now with Nate pushing Mo out of
the studio.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So, oh he's rolling about. Are you run to get
to roll Mo out of the studio? That is so tacky?
That is so tacky. Oh, you just catapulted it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think I objected. So, I mean, is there really
going to be historials.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You in your time?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That is a good questioning their time? Have you ever,
like you have follow up question, have.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You ever filmed really quickly. Have you ever filmed like
all this time, like you wasted with Elvis and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't do one.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
No, we just want to We just want to be
absolutely sure that he doesn't commit a crime that will
get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, the longer you wait, the more likelihood.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
As I said, we are like we are on such
a grad school schedule. I mean, I'm still finishing my
piece on the first top gun. I mean like like
you should get to that time. It's so timely, small.
We always love when you come to see it. You
always you always leave the room a lot smarter than
(17:53):
it was when you walked in.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now rolled his ass out of it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
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