Bobby was in Dallas over the weekend to play in the MLB celebrity softball game and had a chance to sit down with 2013 World Series champion Ryan Dempster before going on to win game MVP! Ryan talked about facing Barry Bonds, the state of today's game, and much more! Plus, softball Ricky joined the guys to give predictions on his Texas Longhorns' first season in the SEC before Eddie joined him to give the Cowboys unrealistic season predictions.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's a podcast called twenty fives stuck in parts and
they are wearing a whist so, yeah, it's too bad,
but what did you expect. It's a podcast called twenty
five whistles.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, we are in Dallas, Arlington to be specific,
where it's the week of the Major League Baseball All
Star Game, and it is today.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It starts, I guess last night. It started with the.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
HBCU game, the Futures Game, and then the Celebrity All
Star Game softball, which, by the way, you know, if
I'm in the celebrity game, they're scraping for celebrities.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's be honest. Let's be honest. They watched too much
EXAs yes, big fans too much.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
St.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Louis Cardinals version home.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In just a few minutes, we're gonna talk to Ryan Dempster,
who was a big.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Part of you know, me being a Cups fan.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He was super consistent with the Cups picture for nine years.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Ryan Dempster's co host of MLB Network's Intentional Talk, so
be sure to check that out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And also as far as what he's.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Doing here, he's calling the celebrity game that I'm playing,
which is gonna be on a whole bunch of things,
so by the time you hear this, you won't be
able to watch it. So Ryan Dempster coming up just
a little bit around the room quickly, and there's one, two, three, four,
five of us here favorite baseball player growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Oh, I love Ricky Henderson. You got to pick one.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But because I felt like it was leading, like I
love Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But I even my buddy hit had He told me
that he sent Nolan Ryan a letter. He like, I
don't even know how he did it back then. Maybe
he was in the back of Beckett like send this
or whatever and Nolan Ryan will get it. And he
sent him a letter how big of a fan he was,
And Nolan Ryan sent back a autograph picture, and I
was like, that's I'm gonna do that with Ricky Henderson.
And so I did it, send a letter off, got enough.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Probably never got to him.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I hear Ricky is a really great guy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really yeah, Like from anybody that I know that had
played with him or been around him, he was apparently
like the cards in the clubhouse.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Like most fun guy around. So I'm sorry didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Happen for you, Budy that's all right, man, I'm over
it now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Let's go to read read who is your favorite baseball
player growing up?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
I'd have to say David Ortiz nice m because he
was a lefty and I was just like, I didn't
I want to be able to hit the ball.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I him, man, and.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
You were also from the Dominican and.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, all the above.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Goal wasn't a big poppy one day. It was like,
but maybe not in baseball, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Kevin no mare Garcia Park. Growing up, he's a cup
for a while. When he came over with the Cubs,
I pumped. Yea simpster played with no more at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yeah, I was very upset when he left the Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I loved him as a kid.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
I would be up there playing little league and just
doing like, do you know the whole batting glove or
routine that he had. Dude, I would do that every time,
like I knew what I was doing up there in
thirty grade.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So off I Ricky favorite baseball player ever.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Scott Fletcher Ranger, Texas Rangers, Chicago Cub White Sox played
for the Brewers for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Red Sox.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
But he is to this day still my favorite athlete
all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think, do you know him?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I do now? I didn't.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
I mean not so much when I was, you know,
ten years old, but uh, great guy?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Or was he your favorite when you were ten? Or
is he now looking back because you know now he's
your favorite?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
He was? He was always my favorite.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's my favorite.
Speaker 8 (03:18):
Ryan Dempster now, Scott Fletcher has been my favorite athlete
for as long as I ever had one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Mine's Mark Grace first basement for the Cubs, number seventeen
by far, my favorite player, the only really athlete that
hasn't responded or given me any sort of time a
day for an interview.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We've tried every way possible.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Yeah, yeah, I've tried.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We can get nothing.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
It's like he doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But he's also like the the you know, color commentator
for the Arizona Diamondback.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So he's in media.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, that is weird because it's not like he went
in heightening.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, h my. So that's my official answer
to that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Before I pivoted this story, before Mark Grace and probably
number two all time would have been Andre Dawson. Who
played right field for the Cubs the Big Hawk, and
so the jersey that I have here, I'm not wearing it.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I have two Cub jerseys with me, which is so
lame for an adult.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You brought two Cubs jerseys. I bought this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I bought this one on the road.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I wanted every second since.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I have an autograph Andre Dawson Cubs jersey that
I was gonna wear, like because I have to go
in a what time is it in? Like an hour
and a half, two hours and do the credentials and
go meet with the other celebrities who were playing, and
then we do batting practice that kind of stuff. And
I was gonna wear that jersey that auto Andre Dawson
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during or I can just wear like a shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is that a lame for me to do?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Andre Dawson is across the street signing autographs as we speak.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
What what are we doing? Hey? Wrap it up now?
Speaker 8 (04:46):
I downloaded the chart game app No, there's no charge.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
They're all over there signing autographs for free.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I believe, I believe so. But yeah, Andre Dawson is
across the street.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Dang, that would be cool. I wish you could get
to talk to Andre Dawes, who knew I did.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I knew was good.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We haven't had he hasn't been on yet, and I'm saying,
we're also trying to get other people too. It's not
they're not compared. We tried to get like four or
five people and he's like, no, Ryan, Yeah, no, crap.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was awesome. We'll do that now.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Then let's talk to Ryan Dempster again. Check out Ryan's show.
Ryan Dempster is the co host of MLB Network's Intentional Talk,
Get It Walk. Nobody didn't get it?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Second, did you get it? I got it?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
If we got we're all covered and none in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's all toward read. But Read's like I don't have
a favorite. Sometimes. I was happy that he had a
favorite Read.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
I used to play all the baseball games and he
was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Uh yeah, but do your top do your mount Rushmore
a favorite baseball players?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh cheez, okay, it would have to be David Ortiz
number one. Uh, to be honest, Matt Holliday at number two.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Because we went to did you get a ball signed behind?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Then I did get a No, No, I didn't, Sad the.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Second favorite player of all time and that's who you
didn't ask for autograph when you ask everybody else for
autograph anywhere we go.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I definitely wanted to. I had it in my pocket
and I walked out with my head down, and I
was like, I just couldn't do it, really do it.
But yeah, so Matt Holliday because I saw him play
when he was with the Rockies.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
That was like my first MLB game.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I went to, Let's see who else?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Mm Babe Ruth?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Gary, to be honest, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You got too, I like that. Can you think of
another player that you just kind of liked?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean Derek Jeter, but every.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Gay that's three? Okay, that's Ali Rushman. Okay. Who's playing now?
Who's younger than you?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is your fourth favorite players younger than you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Are?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We gonna go over to Ryan Dempster now, who played
for the Marlins, the Reds, the Cubs, the Rangers, the
Red Sox. He's a two time All Star. He's a
twenty thirteen World Series champion with the Red Sox. He's
in the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame over two thousand strikeouts.
Here he is Ryan Dempster. We're here with Ryan Dempster.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And I didn't wear a Cub jersey on purpose because
I know you were coming. Because we were like, I wonder.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Vinyl show up.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He's worn this for three days.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah yeah, non souf if I ran into it any city.
We just came from Arizona, so I was like, maybe
we running Ryan Dempster. I'll wear my jersey. I'm massive
Cubs fan. So let's just say that ahead of time.
This could be a very Cubs oriented interview asking a
lot of questions, but softball Ricky is here. Do you
want to ask your one question that you tried to
whisper to him that was kind of.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
Creepy because I mean, maybe you wouldn't want to answer. Okay,
go ahead with the microphone, is okay? I mean, I
mean I longtime Texas Ranger fan. I've had season tickets,
but I love baseball history. I have an affinity for
all of the sort of blue bud traditional teams, Yankees, Cubs,
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you know, Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is it would you say that you.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Were more or were prone to be more excited playing
for the Cubs for to say, the Rangers, just because
I mean, you're playing for the Cubs for a team.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's just like I.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Think that's like a pretty like fair assessment, like like
put it this way. So I actually got drafted by
Texas by the Rangers in ninety five, came to the
ballpark at Arlington, like a nineteen ninety six pre spring training,
you know, rookie development thing, and like I had the
license plate cover and the bad I was gonna be
Texas Ranger for like I'm pretty sure had a necklace
that said Rangers on it, you know, like everything was
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going to be Rangers. And I got traded and then
I was with the Marlins and everything, and I made
my first start at Wrigley and I walked into Wrigley Field.
It was June first, nineteen ninety eight. And after the game,
I called my and I got rocked. I didn't make
it out of the second inning. And I called my
parents and I called my dad and I said, I
am going to play for the Chicago Cubs. Like this,
(08:47):
this is different. This is different than other places.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, would that be like Chicago, Saint Louis, Boston,
those we think of, like those foundational baseball cities. Would
it feel like that in all of those places or
only the teams were good.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, I think it was maybe just the energy of
Wrigley that really got me, you know what I mean,
like and like the fans like you walk in. You know.
I took a cab to the ballpark and then I
kind of got the cab driver to let me out
a couple of blocks before so you could kind of
walk and just check it out. I'd heard, you know,
about Wrigley and and just like the vibe around it,
like there's no other ballpark like that in the country
(09:22):
where you got all four streets or something's happening in
every corner. Something like even at Fenway you got yaku
Wa or whatever it's called now, but they you know,
it's it's not like that. It's it's just different there,
and and you know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
People try to duplicate it, but you can't. Like no,
it's like it's incredible.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, and I played it, you know, I played at
Fenway too and played for the Red Sox and it
was amazing in its own way, But it wasn't Wrigly.
It was There's just something about it you can't I
guess time maybe is why it's it feels that way.
I think the.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Fans there right yeah, and all I went to watch
the Cubs when they when they beat the Indians, massive
cups tame a whole life. So I was like, I
gotta go up. The Cubs are in the World Series
first times.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's forty five. I had one to since eight. Yeah,
Like there were people that were generation before me that
never got to see the Cubs even in a World Series.
So I'm like, I gotta go. So I had to
watch and play the Indians a game too. They lost.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
However, I've never seen Wrigley as packed to the gills
where you couldn't moved, or Wrigglelyville and everybody's so happy. Yeah,
I've never been somewhere so crowded where everyone was just
impure like enjoyment because of where they were that day
and how rare it was. The darkest years with the Cubs.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Was you? Yeah? Were you playing day game with a
lot of days, a lot of day games? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Man, a bad season in a day game that would be.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Terrible, especially if for someone who liked to go out
and have a good time at night, you know, and
day games were tough to get up.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know what time you have to get there for
day games.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I would say I was. I'm kind of a limited
sleep guy anyways, and I'm an early riser, and I'm
a first guy at the ballpark type thing. So if
you know we're playing a one to twenty game, I
was usually rolling into Reglarly about eight thirty, you know,
really Yeah, So I'd walk in and Kent Murcury would
already have the crossword down. He'd be sipping his coffee
and rode his bike already. He's like the first guy
the ballpark every day.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
If you get there first, do you get control of
the music in the clubhouse?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah? Yeah, or the starting pitcher that day, which is
which is funny because the starting picture rarely hangs out
in the clubhouse, yet they have control of the music.
You know, like all the position players are like, is
he gone? He's gone? Right, he got put on something else.
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You mentioned the Marlins that that was quite a staff
when you're with the Marlins just generally speaking, because they were.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
The whole team. Yeah, I look at like the I said,
there should be a documentary. I mean, you get called
the ninety eight Marlins, maybe just ninety eight, ninety nine Marlins.
If you look at that team, I don't think that
there's ever been a team, not since, but like I
don't even know if you could find one before where
you had that many rookies who went on to have
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super successful careers in the big leagues, like careers, not
jobs in the big leagues. The didn't play for four
years of fibers. I'm talking. Guys are full pensioned. You know,
all stars, you know, were serious champions. When you go
down the list of Mike Lowell at third base, Alex
Gonzalis at short stop, Louis Castillo at second base, Kevin
Malaran Derectly at first or Kevin and left field, Mark
Cottze you know who's now managing in the big leagues,
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and Preston Wilson and Mike Redmand behind the plate, myself,
Brad Penny A. J Burnett, you know, Josh Beckett after
you know, my last year there, like you it's crazy
like and it was all and we were all the
same time. Like when we had rookie dress up, there
was more guys dressed up than not dressed up. Like
we wore diapers and bonnets and stuff to Montreal through
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customs and the customers was like, what is this? You know,
it's like those are the rookies. The one guy goes
all rookies, you know, like, yeah, man, we had a
lot of us, but it all it all worked out.
I think we all learned how to lose together and
then we figured out how to win together.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I got like Beckett, I'm just for memory. Was he
a Texas kid? Yeah, like came heart throwing Texas kid.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know, had was known as a kid with gas
when he came up. Yeah, when he comes up, I
would be cocky as crap. Yeah, if I were put up.
He was the cockiest guy that ever came up to
the big leagues.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Early.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, well he came out in the he got rode
hard by Alex Fernandez in ninety eight. He gets he's
getting drafted, and he comes out and says that he's
going to be the Marlins representative for the All Star
Game the next year after being drafted.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Not as a joke, No, he was just full of confidence.
And what's the fine line there?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Because obviously you know wide receiver, you drop the ball,
you got a defensive back, you let pitcher. You can't
let your next outing effect. You know what happened here?
What's the fine line in confident and cocky with a pitcher.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That was good. That was with Joshua was a really
fine line. And I like josh a lot. But he
got he got. He came into the locker room in
Houston and Alex Fernandez let him have it, you know,
and like, you know, hey, guys, grab your seat on
the bus. We can't afford a plane because we gave
our al Star next year all this money, you know. Like, yeah,
it was honestly, it was a little over the line.
I felt like, you know, like, but like I did
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admire Josh's confidence, Like I I was a guy who
did not feel like I deserve to be in the
big I didn't deserve to be in the big leagues
when I first got there, Like I was a byproduct
of the Marlins trading everybody away and like, oh, we're
going to trade all these guys and bring up a
bunch of guys from Double A, you know, and learn
at the big league level. So I wasn't ready, whereas
he believed at high school level that he could strike
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out Barry Bonce.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Let's go at what age did you start to be
someone that people started to put eyes on as either
because you played baseball Canada, right, Yeah, at what age
did scouts start to look at you and take you seriously?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I would say sixteen, fifteen sixteen, like you know, when
you're I'm from a super small town up there, and
I played baseball in West Vancouver at this little park
called Ambleside Park. And I remember the first scout, a
guy named bird Dog for the Texas Rangers who drafted me,
a guy named Don Sherry. And Don was like, you know,
this old kind of guy. You looked like you'd see
in like an extra and cheers sitting at the bar.
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You know, you just sitting there all right, kid? You
got a good arm. You know you got a good arm.
You keep throwing that ball. And then next thing you know,
Jim Chapman was another scout for the Dodgers. He showed up,
and then these scouts started to show up. I got
a great picture. I'm like seventeen years old, my junior year,
and I'm throwing at Ambleside and my uncle, just as
a joke, went in with a hair dryer. There was
like thirteen scouts and they're all holding guns and he's
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got a hair dryer, and they have no idea. It's
so great. Yeah, I have framed and everything. It's so awesome.
So yeah, and that's kind of when it just started
to steamroll. And then it was like playing for Team
Cannon in the World Junior Championships and then you're playing
against you know, US and Cuba and these really good
teams like and then you start to compete, and then
next thing you know, it was all right, here we go,
it's happening.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How many pitches did you think you have versus how
many pitches did they tell you you had they could
translate to the next level.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
They told me I had one my fastball, but I
had I had a good break and by no change
up whatsoever. I didn't have a change up in the
big leagues until really a true, good, effective change up
until post Tommy John and Fergy Jenkins taught me on
the backfield in two thousand and four, I think two
thousand and five spring training.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And how long until you actually can feel comfortable throwing
that in a game?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Pretty quick? It was a weird thing, Like I'm not kidding.
I was walking to the back field of spring training
of two thousand and five, I was getting ready to
throw a bullpen. I'd come back in two thousand and four,
and and Fergy was like, hey, I just stopped him,
and I knew he had a pretty decent changeable, although
he didn't throw it a lot when he was pitching.
He was mostly basketball breaking ball because he had such
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a good command. And I said, how did you throw
your change up? I mean, I could write a book
on change up grips. I tried the Trevor Hoffman fosch,
I tried the circle change. I tried turning stuff over.
I tried everything, and he said, oh, just grab it
like this, and it was kind of like a split
change where you would put it's like a split finger fastball,
but your finger would be up like a circle change.
And then my other three fingers came up on the
side of the ball, so it was like this vulcan grip.
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And I get up to the backfield and Larry Rothschild's
a pitching coach, and I go, uh, I got a pitch.
I think I'm gonna try and throw. And he was
kind of a little hesitating because I was coming off
Tommy John you know, the year before. And he was like,
all right, and I throw it and it just goes
and he's just like whoa, yes, one hundred percent. I
was like, uh, I would throw that again, straight down
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and I'm like, oh, something here, and then you know,
because of the grip, it was at times that you know,
I could sail off on me, but they just became
a super effective pitch and I and he just said,
don't lose your arm at arm speed on that throw
at that arm speed, and it became honestly probably extended
my career eight years. Who knows, like it was that effective?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Would you try to throw it in simulated games? Do
they simulate games?
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, and just throwing it like insides
throwing it and then and then what I did was
kind of like spring training, right. Although we like to
like think that it's so important if our team wins
or loses when we go to those games, like you know,
it's unfortunately that's how it is now. Guys paid seventy
five bucks to go to a spring training game, and
it's like, my team's got to win, you know, Plus
we can bet on it. So it's like, you know,
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I can't, but you know people can of course. But
and so back back then you could kind of get
away with having some freedom to hone your craft without
any anybody, Karen. So I was like, I'm just gonna
throw a start and just throw splits like the whole game,
you know. So it was like, okay, So I probably
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I threw two or three innings in a spring training game,
and I say I threw fifty pitches. I betch you
I had threw forty split fingerpass paying.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And even if you're getting crushed.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I wasn't. And then I wasn't getting crushed. It was like, oh,
this is a really really good pitch, you know, and
it helped me neutralize lefties especially.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'll watch a lot of Charlie Huff knuckleball videos, yeah,
because he's mean, he's six or seventies now and he's
still showing these kids how to throw knuckleballs.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Knuckleball kind of a lost art, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, for me, probably Wakefield was the last guy
that I saw do it effectively.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Was he the last guy to do it effectively?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah? He was the last. I mean there was a
couple of guys that came through, like you know, ra.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
A Dickey and right Dicky.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Yeah, but like but like even I mean, wake was
pitching up till our finished pitching like pretty much you know,
so like Wake was the the elite after Charlie Huff.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And I'll show I'll watch Huff just show these kids
how to throw a knuckleball three inches right, And it's
like you throw at three inches and then slowly back
away from it. So these kids are going to this
camp and they're learning how to throw knuckleballs. If you
would have learned to have thrown a knuckleball, could you
have tried to throw it in the game?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Did you ever try? Nothing balls at all?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
No shot? I don't know what it was. I couldn't
just like it's spun, just came out of my hands
and tumbled, you know. I don't know if it was
my arm action. You know. I was a big slider guy,
so it was like always you know, with my wrists,
so it's hard for me to lock my wrist and
not turn it. The minute you go like that, it's
going to just start going to hold your wrist still
is like the most important thing. And I just I
didn't have that in me and never never really tried.
(19:23):
After that. I'd goop around playing catch, but yeah, it
was a thing that if I could have I would
have no doubt, Like effective if you can throw for
strikes with throwing.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I'm gonna ask about and not the controversial part
of this, but I was watching a video with Trevor
Bauer talking about practicing and throwing constantly and then throwing
less during a game, and he's like, if you throw
all the time, you'll be stronger.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Therefore you are won't be sore.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But then also like the Strasburg effect where it's like
with Strasburg, the one that started limiting how many pitches
a pitcher could throw. Over where do you fall on
how much a pitcher should actually throw? Because I'm listening
to two different guys who have been successful tell me
two different things.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I tend to lead towards what You'rever's saying. I think
if you think about it, like when we were kids,
and when we were growing up and we were playing baseball,
very few kids got a sore arm. There might have
been one pitcher on the team like, oh he heard
his arm. We played catch all the time. We didn't
need an organized practice, we didn't need an organized game,
we didn't need travel ball, none of that stuff. We
just went and played catch with a bunch of kids
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in the park and we just threw and threw and threw,
and we played five hundred up and you played Cherry,
you know, I don't know if you were played Cherry
where guy has a bat and then you go out
the outfield the guy you catch the ball in the air,
then you throw it and you try to hit the bat,
you know, and it hits the bat and goes over
the bat and lands on the ground. Now you switch positions,
and I'd play this for well, we're throwing it two
hundred feet, you know, like long toss. I look at
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look at all of like the premiere relievers of fifty
last fifty years, all of those guys, all of those closers,
all of those set up guys, all those guys who
had long careers, longevity careers, they all long tossed every
single day. You watch them Like Jose may Man, that dude.
I watched that dude long toss like nobody else ever
in the big leagues. Dude three hundred feet every day
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they needed him, he was ready. He never was on
the deal never, you know, And I think that we
we are limiting. We're taking cars, fancy shiny Lamborghinis and
Ferraris and everything, and instead of taking him out for
a ride on the freeway. We're like, just in the
driveway real quick, and then we take it on the freeway. Man,
it broke. That's weird because we asked it to go
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one hundred and fifty real fast and it hasn't done
one hundred and fifty. Like minor leagues let him pitch.
They pitch four innings and they're like, good job, good job.
And then they get to the big leagues and we
have to take them out with no hitters because they're
not extended. Like, don't tell me it doesn't work. It's
a lie. It's a fabricated lie. It works. Steve Carlton
through two hundred and fifty innings for twenty years. Nolan
Ryan threw for twenty seven years in the big leagues,
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you know, like and hard and hard. Yeah, he's throwing
one hundred at forty five years old. Like, come on,
it works. We have sat there and thinks that we
can predict at injuries and we can't. Some guys, you know,
they're the reason that they're getting drafted tonight, you know,
and because they're the best young talent in the world.
So like you have Clydesdale's, you have these show ponies,
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you know, and don't just walk them around the yard.
Let them run, let them go. Man. I feel like
if I could ever have control, it never would happen
because today and not in today's game, they're not gonna
let an ex player run the minor league system. But
give me the pitchers. I'll develop. I'll build you horses
number ones and number two's and the other guys. Sorry,
if you can't make it, you can't make it. Guess what.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It's hard.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
It's the big leagues. There's not another league on the
moon that we can go to play at, not yet anyways.
Elon's working on that. But like you know, it's it's
the truth. So yeah, throw more, you don't get hurt.
It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Before I get to the Cups questions and Nolan Ryan
question since you brought them up, they would talk about
gunning Nolan Ryan back in the day, still one hundred
and one oh one. But if it was he was
gun today, it'd be like one oh seven one oh eight.
Just at what the guns can do now versus where
they shot from. You think Nolan Ryan could throw a
hundred seven hundred.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Eight Yeah, I think, you know, I think outside of
Steve del Kowski's the hardest thrower ever. You know, I
don't know if you know about Steve Delkowski. There's a
left handed pitcher.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
About your size, Well, I mean I'm pretty big.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, little, I mean little?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Well, just how are you? I'm six two? How tall
are you? Six? Okay?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But I feel like I feel like you think he's
like five eight?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
He thought? No, no, no, I thought you. I say
he was under six feet. I thought you were maybe
like five to eleven.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, that's what he is.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Okay, you're right. It wasn't a knock on your hand.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It was like, you know, but he's ripping like me though,
Yeah he's ripped.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, com clearly Jackie Man. But he would he would
throw games in them. If you look up his minor
league stats, it's pretty amazing. But he was. He was
a guy that was throwing one hundred and seven hundred
eight miles an hour and the and when you talk
to people who watched him pitch, they're like, and he
was left handed with the orioles like he would throw
games nine innings, lose six to four, you know, walk ten,
strikeout seventeen, Like these couldn't hit it. But Nolan Ryan
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was the same way it was. You know, guys said
it was his fastball just disappeared, like you know, I
got to see him pitch live when he was later
in his career, but I never got to see it,
you know, firsthand and stuff like that. But it was different.
It was just it was by you. Like you don't
have the most no hitters, the most one hitters, the
(24:07):
most two hitters, the most three hitters, strikeout a thousand
more batters than second place. Like I saw a stat
the other day like somebody could strike out, you know,
two hundred batters a year for twenty years and still
be seventeen hundred strike I was short of Noel Ryant, like,
you don't do that unless you throw harder than everybody else.
And I think he I think he sat at one
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hundred and he probably ticked it up to one oh
five one oh six if he needed it, and maybe harder.
Who knows, there's rumors he threw one oh eight, you know,
like I wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Do you feel like you're a cub?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah? Nine years yeah, I mean it's long, yeah, and
post right, so like post playing, I saw THEO brought
me over as a special assistant for the front office,
So really have been with the organization for over twenty years.
So yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
When you go directly played first when you were there, right, Yeah,
but you you work with him in Florida, am we
played twelve years together.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So was he there but a year before or do
you guys go at the.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Same time, same time?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay, so you didn't. Did you have.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Anybody there that you already knew when you went to
Chicago that kind of when you go to an organization
like that, or do you even need someone to kind
of tell you about the culture, what the fans are, Like.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
No, I knew, and like at that point in my career,
you know, I was I'd been in the big leagues
for five years, six years now, so it was like, oh,
and I knew like I played with Kent Merker in
Cincinnati the year before or two years before that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You played them a lot, So you were in Chicago
a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Too, Yeah, and playing the Cubs and then I, you know,
I knew carry a little bit just across the field,
and it was Paul Bocco and I played together in Florida,
So there was like these little tie ins and I'd
went to Japan with Mike Gremliner and I knew a
few guys and so it was easy. And then just
an easy transition played against Greg Greg could come back.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And oh four my first year over there, to see
Dusty Bakers still be successful, I mean, to win with
another World Series. What was Dusty Baker like as a
manager then, and then you're still so a part of
Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Is he the same Dusty Baker now as he was
in Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That's I think That's what I loved about him so
much was he really did care about you the person.
You know, Like he'd call you up to the office
dust he wants to see and you go in there
and he would just be like, how's everything at home?
Everything good? How's your mom and dad doing? You know,
like to me personally, Like I know some guys that
doesn't matter to them, but for me, that mattered a lot.
You know, I'm a big family guy. You know, I'm tight.
I'm tight with all my guys I went to high
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school with. Like that kind of relationship stuff was really important.
So he was really great about that, just like always
like that. And then you know, just just Carrid and
wanted to win and wanted to do what it meant.
It meant a lot to him, and yeah, just a
great man. I was really happy for him because it
was like the one thing that was hanging over him
for the Hall of Fame was, oh, you know, I
didn't won the World Series. I didn't won the World
(26:42):
Series and been closed so many times, and so for
him to finally get it, you know, and to do
it at his age, to show you that experience does matter,
a little bit of that does matter was really important.
So yeah, really really awesome dude.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Guys like Carrie Wood and Mark Pryor who came up
and have high expectations but real big success early on.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
What do you think happened to those guys?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I think that well, you know both right, there's there's
there's the injury factor and I can't even imagine, you know,
Like I'm close with Carrie and for him to strike
out twenty and your six start in the big leagues,
you know, it's like where do you go from there?
(27:25):
The expectations from a fan base, like every single time
he was taking them ount it was like, you know,
people in the bleachers with handfuls of K cards because
he's going to strike out twenty again, and it's like, oh, yeah,
good game, man, you only had thirteen today. You know.
It was like striking out thirteen's hard, you know. So
I think he had probably bigger expectations than Mark did.
And and Mark, I mean, everything was going great and
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then he ran over Marcus Giles at second in between
first and second base and landed on his shoulder, and
then I don't think he was just ever the same
after that. I think he would say the same thing,
you know, it was hard to kind of come back
from that, started to deal for the first time in
his life really with any kind of arm issues or
any kind of injuries, and then just not able to
fully come back from it, and then had a surgery
and then just wasn't able to come back from it.
(28:09):
But like, yeah, like you're talking generational talent, like Paul
Skeene's type talent coming in different right, Like like Mark
Durosa tells a great story about carry Wood pitching. He's
with Atlanta in nineteen ninety Sorry, in two thousand and three,
in Game five in Atlanta of the Division Series before
they went to the NLCS, Chipper Jones goes and hits
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in the first inning off carry Wood and de Ro's like,
you know, I'm super excited. We're in game five, like
I might get a pinch hit but get bad or something.
Chipper punches out against Kerry and then comes in the dugout.
He's putting his helmet in his bad away. He looks
at Dero goes, hey, dude, we're going home today. Like
that's how electric his shit goes, you know, pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Were there guys that you felt like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I love pitching against this guy because our mixture is
that my mixture usually does better.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I know other guys will be like, man, this guy's
gonna crush.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Me like hit or wise. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
Like for like it's crazy, Like it's funny how that
matches up. Like take take a guy like Joe Mauer.
At one point, Joe was oh for seven with six strikeouts.
How's that even possible? Right, Like like.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
One of the best hitters, yeah, who never struck out.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I struck him out three times in a game. He
did that like five times in his career, Like you know,
but then like you know, Fred McGriff just like dragged
me around the room like whatever he wanted. To do
with me. You know, it was like just double in
the gap, double the gap, home run laser, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Perfect to be, like even arm placement, like where you're
throwing the ball from where.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I asked him and he said that that for whatever reason,
he's like, you know, like all the guys in the
team would be like, dudes, don't let him get to
his slider. His slider's nasty. And he's like, I just
your slider just came right into my bat path and like,
you know, even like I just saw it out of
your hand, and some guys just don't pick it up
and some guys do. And you know him, Luis Gonzalez.
Mostly lefties, not a lot of Righty's kind of raked me.
(29:58):
Doug Landville hit me pretty good, surprisingly enough, but yeah
there was there was a few like Barry Bonds never
took me deep, but he went six for ten. Yeah,
we're in San Francisco. Is a good one. And Barry's
like in Berry, like prime Berry. You know, he's just
going up to the plate like not even gonna hit
because nobody's all I think he was walked two hundred
and thirty times or something. And Kevin Malar was my
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teammate at the time, and I'm in San France. I'm
getting ready to go out at the bottom of the
first sitting and I'm going up the steps and i
just feel my like jersey pull back and I'm like,
turn around. He goes, you don't got a harrow in
your ass if you don't find out what you got
against Barry Bonds. I'm want four seam fastballs down the
middle as hard as you can find out. And I'm like, okay,
so I we did the priority number one. I got
to get the first two guys out, you know. So
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I get the first two guys out. Here comes Barry.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Doctor J's like, man, Barry Bonds, old place going nuts.
And I'm laying on the mountain. I'm like I look
out left field and I'm like, all right, here we go,
you know. And I throw the first pitch ninety four
four seams center cut right down the middle, and all
of a sudden, Barry's like, oh, okay, hold on, you're
gonna you wanna play all right, you can do this,
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you know. Then I throw another four seam fastball like
middle away fouls it back, and then I throw an
O two four seam fastball middle away again like ninety five,
and he tattoos it off the top corner of the
right field like wall that's up there like every other park.
It's a homer and then it carems for a triple
and I come in and Lar goes Man, you should
have got your stuff in Mexico, you know, like it
(31:25):
was just really funny. It was just like the best.
You were facing the best in the moment, and I
was like, all right, let me find out where my
stuff plays. And I not not against him. Nobody's good.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
What do you ever have words with depending on who
was catching you, if you shook him off more than
once or twice? Was that ever an issue when you
got back in the dug out or in the clubhouse.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I don't think it was ever an issue. There was
definitely guys who were better to handle it, you know,
like some guys like you know, coming up right, like
Mike Redman was great, you know, he was really great
about why like more conversation, Charles Johnson like and I
just didn't think you should go with that pitch, you know.
And then you had guys like Cooy Hill, who is
a great catcher for us with the Cubs for a
(32:07):
few years. You know, like as far as like winning
ball games, a dude could frame throw attitude and like
sometimes you're shake and shake it and you just.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Go just whatever, just throw whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I'm not gonna put any more fingers down, Like what
do you what do you want to throw? Already put
them around. He wants to go back to the fastball,
like throw it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, how do you feel that communication now with
electronic communication?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I don't love it because I like it in the
sense of the speeding up the game and there's lights
of mountain visits and all those kind of things. I
just believe that that was part of it. Right, Like
we've slowly started to take things away from the mental side,
like cards to tell you where to stand. You know,
stand here because it's gonna happen. But although you know,
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maybe on that moment it doesn't, you know, and you
get the tailor made double play ball in the second
basement standing on second base, you know, And I get it.
I understand the percentages and the data and all that
kind of stuff, but also like they're all it's all
great on a macro level, but every individual game and
every individual moment in the game is a micro level, right,
So like we can get to that data however we want.
(33:10):
We can have enough at bats to say that the
ball is going to hit it hitting the hole. But
like maybe today I got an extra zip on my fastball,
and so maybe that guy might not, you know, necessarily
be on time. He might be a little bit late.
Like Jason Hayward is one of the best in the league.
You watch him play a Shane Victorino when I play
with Vic in Boston, man, like you watch him. I
told Peter Gammons one time and if you're ever talking
to Peter asking about the story, and he did, and
(33:31):
he goes it was one of the coolest things is
I go, don't watch the pitcher, don't watch the hit
or nothing. Watch Shane Victoria play rightfield and watch him
move pitch to pitch like a chess game, dude, And
he's like, oh, it's one two, I'm going to take
three steps into my left so that the little bass
hit doesn't fall in because if if it's a double
in the gap, that's the pitcher's fall. But if it's
if it's a little blue pit that's going to fall
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and that's my fault, I should be the one playing
for the executed pitch, you know. And so you know,
I think like with the pitch communication, like Sodo and
I would have, we would have innings where we didn't
even use he would use signs, and we never I
would catch the ball and turn to my left. I
want to fastball away. I catch the ball and like
as I catch it, I just put my hand to
catch it with my glove like this and then really casually.
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And that means I want to high fastball, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Like I call it plays some football.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, I would like catch a ball back and then
just like grab my belt real quick like and just
move like that. I want to split the hitter doesn't know,
especially if the hitters looking at the third base coach
or something. Nobody knows. Now, you do all the signs,
but they don't mean anything, you know, and so then
they could relay something and be wrong whatever it is. Like,
And I just think we've taken that away from guys.
You know, we got to do it. We're going to
(34:36):
tell you where a stand, you know, over there. Two steps? Okay,
back up, Tommy, Okay, come in Tommy, Like, come on, man,
they're girl men. Let him play. Yeah, let them figure
it out, you know, but we can't risk anything going wrong,
you know, and then it falls in and we're like,
well but yeah, but the card said we should be there,
so we were there and it didn't go there. So
at least the data. We played the data. But it's
like sometimes you got to play your heart, your eyes,
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your sense, your smell whatever. It is. Like, man, that
guy I saw him last night at the bar and
he was wrecked. Bro, he is not on a heat.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's not dad. There's no data.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
No, you can't quantify it, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Final four questions. So you mentioned Peter Gammon. Would you
ever finish a start and go watch like baseball tonight?
Oh yeah, watch you if you had a good one,
or would you avoid it if it was a bad one?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Well, if I came over to the Marlins, so it
was usually just a box score, you know, we were
on the Highlight reel and the Marlins one today, you know,
like but yeah, no, absolutely, and like I would always
I love that stuff, like even a replay, you know,
just to just to see it and kind of just
especially a good game, right the game, all sports, but
(35:37):
especially baseball, which is a highly built on failure. Like
you're going to fail a lot. You know, name out
other things in the world where you can fail seventy
percent of the time and be great, Like it's just
not really realistics. And so when you do have positive
things happen and you can reinforce that in your head
so you can walk in like Josh Beckett with your
chest boat out and be like, I'm a badass. You know,
(35:58):
I think is really important. You know, not necessarily in
the moment. I don't love the iPad in the game
where they let me let me see that, like because
in that moment you won't feel what did I feel
instead of what I see? But like afterwards when I'm
having an ice cool beer on my couch and be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Felt like I be like ravage, come on, put a
up more of a something to beat buddies with them
so they like, put some more of the highlight.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I finally struck out, Fred McGriff throw that up there.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
You know, Broan, what was your lifestyle like traveling in
the majors hotels? You know, like, what what would you do?
There's a lot of downtime.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a different bird. I will say
that I think if you talk to guys who played
with me, they can kind of agree. I highly encouraged
fun events, you know. I never said no to an opportunity.
You know, Like Kenny Chesty came into Chicago and he
was throwing off doing a concert and doing the stretch
and all that kind of stuff. And I popped up
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in game in my in my uniform, you know, and
I into his suite with his dad and him, and
I'm sitting there in my uniform during the game. Yeah,
and he goes, uh say, hey, man, I ke you sing.
I go, well, I don't know what's Ken singing? And
he goes, we sing with me tonight. And I'm like,
at Soldier Field, Sure, So I went out and did
you know the opening two verses from back where I
come from at Solderfield from fifty seven thousand people Like,
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That's how I lived my life always. So if it's
like there's a concert, I'm going, there's a hockey game,
I'm going, you want to practice with the team. Absolutely,
I'm a little bit like you, like you like to
experience all those things and do those things the same way.
At New York City, get off the bus. I didn't
go to my room, gave my bag to the clubhouse.
Guys had put that in my room. I'll see you later.
I'd go to Times Square till two in the morning,
walk around, experience see things, watch people play three carmonty,
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you know, like if there was an event, I'm going
to go if you know. Like sometimes like I remember
David Ross and I being like, you know, walking around
New York three thirty in the morning and eating pizza.
He's like, what are we doing? I go, I don't
know how many times you go to New York three
thirty in the morning. Let's go. It's you know. And
I see guys like that had a different life, and
that's that's okay. We all have our own path. I
was very much my hotel room was sleeping and that
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was it. I didn't hang out in my hotel room.
I got up golf, they got up and worked out.
I went paddle board and you know, in Detroit, and
Shelley's like, I'm picking up. We're going paddle board and
like all these different little things. I go out and
stay in Malibu when we're playing in la and go
surf with layered and you do all these things. Because
I just loved I love that. So that was like
how I was, you know, when I was playing my
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whole entire career always Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Final two questions.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I wanted to ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I'm very intrigued by the unwritten rules of baseball and
the enforcement of those things. And uh, let's this is
purely hypothetical. Let's say that you know a message has
to be sent to a guy, and maybe it's a
specific player, Like just hypothetically, this is the size of
somebody named Sammy Sos, Like Sammy Sos Yeah, and you
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know they're like, hey, you know, Sammy's got to wear one.
I would have been like if I were a picture,
I'd be like, I'm trying it. Hit Craig Gray back it.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Was like five six, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Careful with Walt Weiss though he's a tough guy.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Really see, I love thinking wrestler.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
But like one, what goes through your mind when it's like, okay,
you were wanting me to face down a monster in
that scenario? And h two does maybe who's catching or
playing third base factor into your confidence where it's like tex,
I've got Michael Remember Michael Barrett.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
That guy was a tough dude.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Yep, I've been like I would be like, okay, I'll
but you know, like Michael's there, I probably feel a
lot better about it. I mean, like, how tell me
how what a picture is thinking? And like is there
a strategy? Like I feel a lot better about it
because he's catching that kind.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Of Yeah, I think. I think generally, you just know
that you're already at an advantage, right, you're pretty much,
let's just call it. You have five friends closer than
the other guys, So like there is a security in that, right,
Like if he charges the mound, my infielders and my
catcher are all going to get there before anybody else
on his team. Maybe the ion deck can get out
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there fast enough. And so in it coming up in
my era, it was a thing. It was a send
a message like you know, you know do this you
like I got. I got thrown out of one game
in my entire career for retaliation. I hit Travis Fryman
after Mike Lowell got drilled pretty hard, and I got
thrown out for that is the only time. But I
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never really I never really worried about it personally, Like
even the biggest guys like this most scared I ever
had to Retell. He was at it moyses Loo when
I was with the Cincinnati Reds and Jason LaRue owned
Mark Pryor like just for whatever reason, just hit him everywhere.
And then Mark Pryor was throwing at his head. And
I'm like, and Jason's my catcher. And so I get
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two out and I kind of like, you know, somebody
said something that dug out, like that's bullcrap. I said,
I got this and I got two out and here
comes moyes Lou and like this dude is like the toughest,
like you know, and I'm like, oh, man, god, we
go here we go. Don't hit him above the belt.
Don't hit him above the belt. And I and and
this is how pro he is. I ninety five right
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to the quad and he just bent down, took off
his shin guard and went to first base. Never looked
out there. I never looked at him, you know, And
in my eyes, it was like, man, I already respected
this guy. Now I really respect him because he knows
what's going on. You know. I think it's changed a lot.
It's not a thing anymore. These guys are too friendly
with each other, not too friendly at like meaning like
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they all know each other.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
They grow up and they play together.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I have travel ball everywhere there on TMSA perfect games.
They're doing all these things so they don't and then
like rarely do you ever. Even in my career, I
think I hit one hundred guys or roughly around hundred guys.
I think probably five of them are on purpose. You know,
there's not a lot that are on purpose. Some of
them might be like get off the plate, but like
I'm not like I'm trying to hit this guy. But
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you always have like the back pocket, like you know
when you're when you know you're you know, when I
directly at first base and their dugout is over there,
like on first baseline, I'm like, I'm good, yeah, you know,
like I'm fine, he's got he's got my back.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Last baseball question, when you do your musical Mount Rushmore
a favorite artists ever lowering the mound. That's the talk
now because I would have batted.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The whole league is batting like two thirty to forty
depending on what week you look at it.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Thoughts, Uh have George Brett to tell a few more
kids how to hit and teach that way.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I listen to George Brett tell like talk about heating.
It's great, like planes, yeah, big planes guy, yeah, count
count guy.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Like I think there's a little bit of a lost
art in that. Like it's fine. Your three A swings
are great, you know, like put an a swing on it,
three A swings, get three swings in. But like it
also is really nice to leave the game one to nothing.
So if that means getting a runner over from second
base so that you know, you know who likes hitting
with a runner on third and one out the guy
behind you, you know, your teammate because now I guess
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they just fly out, you know, guy in fields back,
just put the ball in play. You really can't put
the ball in play. You can't do that. You're the
best hitters in the world and you can't. I get it.
Dudes are throwing hard, but like you can't shorten up
and just play Pepper to the second basement who's played
all the way back and get an RBI. Your average
goes like this all year, man, those are RBIs only
go like that looks really good with one hundred of
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them at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
So don't lower the mount.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Don't lower the mount. I think that's a cop out
for guys not wanting to adjust the way they hit.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
What about when they lowered it, like Bob Gibson, a big,
bigger reason than the mound got lowered to begin with,
Like you could come up and just knock them down.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, do you feel like it should still be even higher?
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I would love it if it was higher. No, I
think they found a sweet spot. I think that's a
really good place to be right now, and I don't
think it needs to be adjusted. I think that's just
I think you risk injuries. I just think that there's
it's a way we want to be creative because you know,
averages are down, but offensive production is up. Runs are up,
so guys are hitting home runs. I think if we
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just put a little emphasis on paying the three hundred
hitter instead of just paying for ops, so that all
guys do is try to launch every single pitch, because like, cool,
if I go zero for three and I hit the
ball hard three times, that's all that matters. Exit v
low and like if we put an emphasis on like, yeah,
you hit three hundred, you get paid. You know, It's
like if I'm a manager, I have three rules beyond
time hustle and if you hit a home run, you
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play the next day. That's it. I don't care what
the analytics say, you play the next day.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Musical Mount Rushmore. Final question, give me the four artists
that have infected your life the most.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Okay, Garth Brooks.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Why Garth?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
That's my child. I grew up you know, loving country
music and that's like you know, times of the the memories.
It sparks in my head. Man is like so great. Yeah, yeah,
have you met him? Uh yeah, yeah. Actually he did
the teammates for kids. It's charity thing that he would
always do. And we actually uh got to hang one
night up in his suite, which was which was pretty awesome.
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It was a weird collection me him, Roulan Gardner, Larry
Walker and uh it was it was a blast. But
just he was awesome, man, so awesome. I would probably
I would say Marvin Gay. I love his music. I
love the soul that I can listen sit there and
listen to that genre of music, like all day. It's
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on my playlist all the time. I would probably put Uh,
I probably would put Eddie on there. I would put
Eddie Vetter on there.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Just Eddie or Pearl Jam.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
I would put Pearl Jam on there. You know, I
love Ed and I love his voice, but I just
love Mike and Matt and I. You know those guys
their music and Chicago.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Did you know him.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
He's a big cups.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
Yeah. I actually gotta do it. Do a little fun
thing at Chelios's Jersey retirement. I got to get up
and sing that we did the band We did the Weight,
which was a.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Lot of fun, like the band song.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was great. So I put
I would put them and then uh, when you're saying,
I would put Chris Stapleton on there for cool. Yeah,
I think that's probably been my biggest bridge, like at once,
you know, not that once, but like as Garth you know,
got older and you know, still performs obviously, but and
then all of a sudden, Chris came in and I
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liked him, you know, even before he was Chris Stapleton,
like listening to you know, old stuff and and things
like that, and and then what he's blown up into
is and and still so humble, you know, from what
I see or hear or even when I witness when
he's at innings Fest, how he treats people and the
same way.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I was a fan of you back in Canada when
you were sixteen.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I was like, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I know I have got good Yeah, that's what I
always say. Like I knew Dempster when he was just
a kid, like but they were like, well you were
just a kid too.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
But I knew hey when I when I was at
Max over there at karaoke last night, and and and
the dude decided to sink Tennessee whiskey. I was full
blair and vocals, so I was ready to go. I
went Proud Mary last night.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You sang Proud Mary last night? Did you do the
Tina or that John Tina?
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah? It was the litro. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I would have loved to have a scene video A
big fan. And I know you're calling the game. I'm
playing now. Are you calling the game?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Tonight?
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Yeah? Super for this. It's gonna be a good time.
Are you Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm just worried because we we've been traveling around and
like we were at University of Arizona with the football
program yesterday and so you know, we made a little
came to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
We're gonna go up to University of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
But if I don't start, that's what I'm worried about,
like getting here, diverting our schedule, and then being on
the bench.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, like I'm scared of that. So it's a real thing.
It's a real thing, and you don't think it will be.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Like I remember years ago, I played in a celebrity
like a baseball player celebrity thing in Pump Springs and
I was pitching and then I went to the lineup
card and I wasn't hitting, and I went Lou Brock
was her manager, and I went into his office and
I'm like, you're really not gonna let me hit in
this softball game? And he goes, well, you're a pitcher,
and I go, I know my average isn't very good,
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but like and he goes, fine. I end up hitting
the tater. But I was like, you know, like thank you,
Like you can't bench me in.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
This So that's what I'm worried about. That I traveled
all this way.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm ready to play and then
I for some reason, there's you know, one of these
rappers is ahead of me. Yeah, and you know that
will be embarrassing for me. Yeah, so that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Okay, So who's you do? You know who your manager?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Don't know anything? Okay, I just know I know a
couple of people. I know Dion.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
We did a pilot for ABC together for the show
didn't get picked up. We worked with like four months.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I love Deon.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah, he's awesome and he might be he's one of
the coaches.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Oh he's coaching.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah, so now you got an end.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
If he's my coach, I'll be playing that leadoff let's go.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I thought it was weird because his foot, you know,
he was injured. Yeah, and they said he was coming.
I messaged him, but I don't know he was coaching. O. Yeah,
I hope he's my coach.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Feel better?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, if he's my coach, yeah, so no, but I've
never done this before.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
What's the tip? Because I can still play a little bit,
But what's what's the tip?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Yeah? Well, I think with the hitting is don't over
swing everybody because you know they want to They want
to hit it so hard and then you end up
rolling over popping it up and it's like and just
wait a little extra second for that ball to get there,
you know. But that definitely just yeah, just don't overswing
put the good word in for me. If I'm gonna
I'm gonna go over there.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
I'm going to say, hey, dude, that guy can still play.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah. I just saw him. He was taking ground balls
and yeah, Lobby, Yeah absolutely, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Thanks now, I really appreciate the time. Yeah, thanks you
for having moving for us, and we'll see you later
on tonight.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
You got it all right. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
We've been looking for players. The closest we've gotten is
we are. Driver said he dropped off King Griffy Junr
like two hours before he dropped us off.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
So that means he's here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, somewhere, King Griffy Junior is here, and that's awesome.
As we record this, it's Saturday, so the actual All
Star game doesn't starts till Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (49:34):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So none of the player's gonna because they're still playing game, correct,
which is kind of disappointing because I was looking for
like Bobby wit Junr.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
But but but some of the older players that aren't playing,
I haven't seen one of them. Well, man, I'm telling you,
Kevin and I may have seen someone in the gym.
We don't know an older player.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
No, uh uh, somebody playing the celebrity softball game. Just
say who it is? Why are you hiding it?
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Because because we're not sure if it was really him.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Okay, who did you think it might have been?
Speaker 5 (49:59):
Does Bryant?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
He was wearing a hoodie. He was working out, and
actually he was like in between reps, so he's just
sitting on the bench and then we were kind of
staring and then he looked up at us, and we're like,
ohh and then we looked out quick.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
But but he wasn't that tall, which I would assume
he would be tall. What do you say, wasn't that tall? Like, uh,
taller than you?
Speaker 4 (50:18):
I would say the guy was about six to one
taller than you. Yeah, by one inch, but.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
You're not five eleven, No, I'm six foot No. No,
how strong was he?
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Though?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
He was pretty fit, but he wasn't overly ripped, and
he kind of looked young.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Okay, des Bryant is six to two, so he's not.
Speaker 7 (50:37):
But here's where I'm a little confused, Eddie.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
He was sitting down.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, but no, no will while you
went to go do your other he turned away. He
stood out, that's all.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
I was like, when you're talking about his height, I
was like, wait, how do you know? Also, we were
sitting on the ab Gruncher his.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Place in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
There was a Michael Jordan old school cut out of
him from like a Weedi's box or something and had
his actual height and.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
He people remember that poster.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
He couldn't have been more than ten in the Wheaties box.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
So Eddie's like, look hout tall, I am.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
I was almost as tall as Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
So we haven't seen anyone yet. But we got here
last night. I went straight to sleep and you guys
went out.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
We did. Yeah, we went out to uh right next
to the hotels. It's just a bunch of like I
don't know. There's one area that where there's ten bars
in one area called Texas Live and Reading. Kevin wrote able, I.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Heard you guys went to the video game place. I
saw Red throw the ball. Yep was see the fastest arm? No,
Kevin was, how fast you throw it?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Seventy four?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Nice read. That's pretty good though for both of you.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
Yeah, went too bad.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You feel like you'd beat him?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I feel like I probably should have Are you
more of an athlete than Kevin.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
When it comes to baseball?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Probably?
Speaker 4 (51:52):
What d that's tough?
Speaker 7 (51:54):
No, you think you're a better You hit the side
of the thing. You didn't even hit the accuracy. You
couldn't even read your accuracy because you hit the side
of it.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
And I thought I was gonna hit my arm on it.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
Oh they were plastic balls, and it really was like squishy, can.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
You throw a knuckleball? Absolutely? Really?
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (52:11):
No, remember I brought that up and I took his
spotlight on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
I used to be able to throw Another thing?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Is our friends off all? Ricky's here and Reed did
not know his name and he's been hanging in with us.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
For like what did I just say?
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
No?
Speaker 4 (52:25):
I mean you didn't have a guess.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
I was Malvin, Yeah, No, it's it's Ricky.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I said, Jimmy, that's not the same name though, that's
rick Yeah, that's Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
A lot of people guess Charlie.
Speaker 8 (52:35):
With me.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Really, I get a little Charlie.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Uh So we were like, read what's his name is?
He said, hey, hey, doing Mike check And I was like,
why would you just hate him?
Speaker 5 (52:42):
What's his name?
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Staid?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Hanging out with us all day and he's like, I
don't know his name. I don't know his name, so
read this is Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Sorry, Ricky, Ricky, this is reed nice to meet you, Ricky.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I'm Eddie Softball.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Ricky works for the University of Texas, right officially? Or
do you work for BEVO?
Speaker 5 (53:00):
You work for both?
Speaker 4 (53:01):
You work for the Longhorn.
Speaker 8 (53:02):
Yeah, I'm you know, the Jerry Maguire of that longhornes
he's the agent.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
So you guys are now officially in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
That was a big date.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
We are.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
As we're almost two weeks in.
Speaker 8 (53:16):
He was looking at his watch, but because we get
the date on there, it's a it's a uh, it's
a time X.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
The Oklahoma Athletic Director called me and said, hey, would
you come and do like a show on the day
we go in the SEC. We want to do a
big announcement. I want to have welcome to the SEC.
You have a bunch of the kids out do a
free show. And I like the Athletic director of Oklahoma,
like I know him a little bit. His name is Joke, right,
Joe yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe c yeah, and so super
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nice guy, and I was like, Joe, se I'm not
a O you fan. I do like oh You more
than Texas now because my wife.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But I was like, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
That's that's he's married and that's tough.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
But I'm not an O you fan.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And so I didn't want any part of welcoming oh
You or Texas to the sec as like, come along,
I'll be your guide as we talk you to. So
I'm happy you guys are here because now you get
to play like actual schedules.
Speaker 8 (54:10):
Well, I mean you ask me, you know a lot
of what we've were. It kind of sounds a lot
like the old Southwest Conference. I mean we played Arkansas
a whole bunch. We're talking about the long time technically.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
SMU and TCU.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
You get to leave all that behind. SMU's not even
in the conference. Wasn't the Big twelve anymore?
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, play Georgia like Alabama's schools, LSU, these schools were playing.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
They're not going to need an introduction. We're pretty familiar.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, hopefully you'd get matched up in a single bowl
game against one of them at the end of the year,
after you beat all the little patsis.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (54:46):
I mean, I think Texas A and M had a
hard time with those little pats's I didn't. They weren't
winning much in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, true, and then they paid their coach, timbo Fisher
one billion dollars and then you got to keep all
of it. Oh my god, I'm super excited that you
guys are coming, not to the SEC just because my
wife's I know you fan, and we get to be
in the same conference now and then.
Speaker 8 (55:07):
You're united in your horns downism.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
You know, you're just like sensitive about horns.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It's not it's.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Knowledgeable, doesn't even allow it.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
The only the only reason that it would ever bother me,
Like people have done it to me a million times.
You come and put it two inches from my face.
That's a little bit different story, like personal space.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Like the personal space. They were saying they were gonna
call penalties on teams for a game.
Speaker 8 (55:33):
But that's like if we did guns down Texas Tech,
same thing we got.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Yes it did.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
Mike Davis got a penalty for doing guns down in
love it don't question me you talking to.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
I would also like to say the reason I hate
Texas so much is because you guys are bigger and
better than us, and I agree with all of that.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I've often said that you guys have.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
More money, you're bigger, effect you've won, you know, more
champion how many championships you guys won.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Well, I mean it depends on how you count.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
But you know, for account, okay, so we've won.
Speaker 8 (56:03):
We're not counting like Alabama accounts, where it's like, oh,
we lost three games and then you know somebody else
is undefeatable recounted.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
You guys were our rival in the Southwest Conference. We
weren't really yours.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
We were just a team you didn't like because we
didn't like you.
Speaker 8 (56:18):
Now, I think the Texas Arkansas is A is a legitimate,
recognized rivalry to Longhorn fans like way more than Texas Tech,
way more than TCU.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
But not Oklahoma A and M. Right, you never want
to be somebody's third place. That's not that's not the
real rivalry, that's just somebody you don't like.
Speaker 8 (56:36):
Well, I think Oklahoma is our number one rivalry. I
would probably put A and M second, but there are
a lot of Longhorn fans that would put Arkansas right
there with Texas A and M. I mean they're typically older.
But I mean when we played all three years ago
or whatever it is, I have never seen more school
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sponsored in my life.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
Like they were like they had a guy on at
the game. It's like, come on, let's see those horns down.
Like that's all. It wasn't. Everybody was.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
Everybody was seven in a uniform, uniform, and so they
charged the field and I'm like, we're trying to get
off the field and get out of there, and like
people are grabbing me and like saying all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
They go down there too.
Speaker 8 (57:27):
No, Beava wasn't there, but I was there, and I
think they thought I was a coach or something. They
had no idea who they were telling they were talking to.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
But like it was heated.
Speaker 8 (57:38):
It was heated, and quite honestly, the girls were more
aggressive than the guys. Interesting, oh yeah, oh yeah, what
do you think that was?
Speaker 5 (57:46):
Buzz?
Speaker 3 (57:48):
I don't know. It's so rantic at this point, like
an observation.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
I was sitting up in a suite taking it all in,
So you didn't storm the field was up to high,
was up to high.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
I'm happy that it's happening.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
I just wasn't gonna go be a part of Oklahoma's
Welcome to the SEC day, even though I enjoyed Joe
Ci and I like Oklahoma better the Texas, But Oklahoma
Texas rivalry feels very You're you're.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
On even term A and M. You guys kind of
look down at because they're like the little brother.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
I mean, they're They're a great school.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Letters on the name to even exist, well, they they
rarely use them.
Speaker 8 (58:21):
I mean they're the only school that I know that
you know, Michigan State don't do it, Florida State, don't
do it. You don't somebody calls themselves a Florida seminole,
like they say Texas Aggie's all the time, which is different.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
I mean, they're Texas A and M.
Speaker 8 (58:35):
But like I will say that their fans are as
passionate as any school in the country.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
I mean, we go play there. It is crazy loud.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
Do you expect to win the SEC this year?
Speaker 4 (58:46):
I expect to compete to win THEE.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
What would be in your mind a successful season record
wise eliminate the playoffer.
Speaker 8 (58:55):
I mean, I don't know how many wins and I
you know, I'm I would I would hope that we
would win ten games.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
But you know if you went only ten, is that
a success?
Speaker 4 (59:07):
I don't know. I mean, I'm in charge of Bevo,
you know the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Let me read, let me read.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
I love the answer.
Speaker 5 (59:15):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (59:15):
Let me read your schedule and you give me wins
and losses. This is no my gosh, you can do it,
because I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
I'm loving this right now. You're representing your school. I
know I go exactly exactly right. There's no pressure.
Speaker 8 (59:28):
I lost the we have no there isn't you tell
me we're playing the Patriots next week.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
I'm gonna be like, I don't like here, we go
give me winner loss?
Speaker 3 (59:37):
Ready?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Okay, twenty twenty four schedule, game number one, August thirty
first is the thing.
Speaker 8 (59:42):
Let's just go ahead and say there's You're not going
to catch me saying we're gonna lose it.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
It's just not every game, okay, you just we're twelve
and oh but realistically you're not going to go and
defeated when you're doing this right now, So you got
to pick some losses. I am not going to pick
a loss.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
There's no way at Texas in Austin. Where who Colorado State?
Speaker 2 (59:59):
At Texas in Austin will win. Okay, Texas at Michigan
on the Timber six win in Michigan. Wow, that's strong,
I'd agree.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
What does that mean? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Okay, U t s A at Texas win, Louise, How
do you guys play such weak games?
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
That's what we're talking about. It plays like Furman.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I mean, come on, Louisiana, Monroe at Texas win. Yeah, Mississippi,
State of Texas win. Bet the farm Texas the Oklahoma
and Dallas win.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Oh that's the boomer.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Sooner, Georgia at Texas win, Texas at Vanderbilt. When bet
the farm Florida at Texas win.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Come on, Ricky, you're not even playing the game because
there's no like. But but at least say it's going
to be a challenge.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Back to that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Texas at Arkansas, when Kentucky at Texas win, Texas and
Texas A and m win. Okay, so let's win Texas
versus the Chiefs. I like, well, okay, what do you
think will be the hardest game for you guys this year?
You'll obviously win.
Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Well, I mean I would think that everybody would think
the Georgia game is going to be the toughest game.
But we have to play at Arkansas, we have to
play at Texas A and M. That's gonna be tough.
Obviously playing the Sooners and Dallas is always tough, but
like going on the playing Arkansas and Texas A and
M on the road in the same year, that's tough.
I mean, that's gonna Those are going to be the
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most hostile crowds.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
We faced all season, bar not.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I think the Arkansas game will be different this time
around than last time around.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
What's good, I mean, what's good for you guys too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
It's part of it's eleven am game as well, a
Fattville We're not Gonnan years drunk.
Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
Well, I mean I agree that, Like I'd rather play
Arkansas at eleven than seven pm.
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, you don't even have a team the cause team no, no,
you do Dallas Cowboys schedule at any Yes.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Dallas, and I love the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
But if you ask me Dallas Cowboys versus long words,
and we're like, man, if we get a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Of turnovers, I like, here we go, both of you
guys one.
Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
All right, now you can be honest? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Game one Cowboys at Browns win.
Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I'll take a win. Take the spread two.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Saints at Cowboy you don't even know the spread, whatever
it is. Saints at Cowboys. When Ravens at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Loss, be a close one. We might lose that one.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
No, min you gotta pick, we'll lose it.
Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You are two and one, okay, Cowboys at Giants win
when three and one, Cowboys at Steelers win win four
and one, Lions at Cowboys, Lions at Cowboys, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
When that'll be the win because I think they play
them again. Okay, I might say a loss on that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You're five and one right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
We do really well at home. We do really well
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Cowboys at forty nine Ers loss, five and two, Cowboys
at Falcons win, six and two, Eagles at cow Boys win.
Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Eagles yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
At Dallas when seven and twoccording to Eddie, so far
Texans at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Ooh at in Dallas. I'll take a win on that one.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Last win eight too, okay, Cowboys at Commanders when win
nine to two?
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
For readdy, Giants at Cowboys. When when Bengals at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Loss probably a loss?
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Oh like ten and three, eleven and three. I forget
who we are.
Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
But I have one more. I have us losing one
more than.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Ten and three.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Okay, Cowboys at Panthers, When when Buccaneers at Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
When when Cowboys at Eagles lost loss to loss?
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And Commanders at Cowboys when we lost four?
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
So the Cowboys at thirteen and four and then.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I have I have them at twelve and five. Then
did I have five? I had five? Then I had
one more than Yeah, you have one more than me.
But around the same.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Would you pay Dak Ricky sixty million dollars because that's
going to be about what markets said that if he
is the new guy that's going to set the uh
set pace.
Speaker 8 (01:04:05):
My thought is on that that if you're not in
a place that you don't think you're going to compete
any anytime in the near future, then no, Like if.
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
You eleven twelve games a year, sure, okay, but like
every year.
Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
But the thing now, I'm not if this isn't anything
on deck. I'm just saying that, like if you think, okay,
if our window is closed theoretically after the season, I
don't think you go and blow all that money on
a quarterback that it's not gonna You're not gonna have
a team to get to the super Bowl. But if
they feel like that they are there, then you know,
(01:04:41):
if they maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Thirty one years old, he's still age wise in his prime.
But do you think Dak can win a couple of
playoff games?
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Gosh, just hard man, that's hard because he's alway is
it Dax's ball? They have it one player?
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Well, we always put it on him because he's the
one that cracks. He's the one that plays true. I
just I disagree.
Speaker 8 (01:05:05):
I think that we've been an undisciplined team like that
was a whole team, like that was an embarrassment that
went on Dak. That's talking about like the last season
and to be like, I don't you know, I kind
of feel like that when we were going into some
of those playoff games that it felt like we were
(01:05:25):
at a disadvantage. That it to me, it felt like
the other team was going to be more prepared, like
we were going to need a break or two to win.
It wasn't like it was kind of like playing the
Packers in the playoffs over the last decade where it
was like, oh gosh, you know, like just waiting for
Aaron Rodgers to go down the field and beat us.
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
At the end, you know, well thanks for Cowboy talking
said about, well, what we're literally a thousand steps away
from All Star.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
We can no, I know, but dude, it's so cool.
We were working out this morning and I can like
all I could see was Cowboys Stadium and I was like,
do you know what on this elliptical I'm working out
with the county with the cow We.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Drove by in a Parma complex and he was like,
I guess who lives there, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
It's right across from the stadium.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
All right, all right, that's it. We're done. I have
to stretch, get more arm loose.
Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yes, good luck.
Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Dudes.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I didn't realize that coach Prime, Yeah you don't.
Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
You don't call him Deon.
Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
You don't have that right. That's his name. You don't
have that right to call him. What are you talking about?
That's what the whole world call.
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
They call him coach Prime. Trust I don't wize it
was he was coaching. So I text him and I said,
are you around? And they said, I don't really know
what I'm doing because he lives here, so he's not
like singing at a hotel.
Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
And then I said, if you're coaching put me at first.
Me they just said not yet, okay, So that means
the bubbles.
Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
On and off.
Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
The bubbles are on and off like I think I did.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, and that says text unsent. God, dang uh. That's it.
Thank you guys, and we'll see you guys soon
It's a podcast called twenty fives stuck in parts and
they are wearing a whist so, yeah, it's too bad,
but what did you expect. It's a podcast called twenty
five whistles.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, we are in Dallas, Arlington to be specific,
where it's the week of the Major League Baseball All
Star Game, and it is today.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It starts, I guess last night. It started with the.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
HBCU game, the Futures Game, and then the Celebrity All
Star Game softball, which, by the way, you know, if
I'm in the celebrity game, they're scraping for celebrities.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's be honest. Let's be honest. They watched too much
EXAs yes, big fans too much.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
St.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Louis Cardinals version home.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In just a few minutes, we're gonna talk to Ryan Dempster,
who was a big.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Part of you know, me being a Cups fan.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He was super consistent with the Cups picture for nine years.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Ryan Dempster's co host of MLB Network's Intentional Talk, so
be sure to check that out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And also as far as what he's.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Doing here, he's calling the celebrity game that I'm playing,
which is gonna be on a whole bunch of things,
so by the time you hear this, you won't be
able to watch it. So Ryan Dempster coming up just
a little bit around the room quickly, and there's one, two, three, four,
five of us here favorite baseball player growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Oh, I love Ricky Henderson. You got to pick one.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But because I felt like it was leading, like I
love Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But I even my buddy hit had He told me
that he sent Nolan Ryan a letter. He like, I
don't even know how he did it back then. Maybe
he was in the back of Beckett like send this
or whatever and Nolan Ryan will get it. And he
sent him a letter how big of a fan he was,
And Nolan Ryan sent back a autograph picture, and I
was like, that's I'm gonna do that with Ricky Henderson.
And so I did it, send a letter off, got enough.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Probably never got to him.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I hear Ricky is a really great guy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really yeah, Like from anybody that I know that had
played with him or been around him, he was apparently
like the cards in the clubhouse.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Like most fun guy around. So I'm sorry didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Happen for you, Budy that's all right, man, I'm over
it now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Let's go to read read who is your favorite baseball
player growing up?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
I'd have to say David Ortiz nice m because he
was a lefty and I was just like, I didn't
I want to be able to hit the ball.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I him, man, and.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
You were also from the Dominican and.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, all the above.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Goal wasn't a big poppy one day. It was like,
but maybe not in baseball, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Kevin no mare Garcia Park. Growing up, he's a cup
for a while. When he came over with the Cubs,
I pumped. Yea simpster played with no more at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yeah, I was very upset when he left the Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I loved him as a kid.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
I would be up there playing little league and just
doing like, do you know the whole batting glove or
routine that he had. Dude, I would do that every time,
like I knew what I was doing up there in
thirty grade.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So off I Ricky favorite baseball player ever.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Scott Fletcher Ranger, Texas Rangers, Chicago Cub White Sox played
for the Brewers for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Red Sox.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
But he is to this day still my favorite athlete
all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think, do you know him?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I do now? I didn't.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
I mean not so much when I was, you know,
ten years old, but uh, great guy?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Or was he your favorite when you were ten? Or
is he now looking back because you know now he's
your favorite?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
He was? He was always my favorite.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's my favorite.
Speaker 8 (03:18):
Ryan Dempster now, Scott Fletcher has been my favorite athlete
for as long as I ever had one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Mine's Mark Grace first basement for the Cubs, number seventeen
by far, my favorite player, the only really athlete that
hasn't responded or given me any sort of time a
day for an interview.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We've tried every way possible.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Yeah, yeah, I've tried.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We can get nothing.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
It's like he doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But he's also like the the you know, color commentator
for the Arizona Diamondback.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So he's in media.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, that is weird because it's not like he went
in heightening.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, h my. So that's my official answer
to that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Before I pivoted this story, before Mark Grace and probably
number two all time would have been Andre Dawson. Who
played right field for the Cubs the Big Hawk, and
so the jersey that I have here, I'm not wearing it.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I have two Cub jerseys with me, which is so
lame for an adult.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You brought two Cubs jerseys. I bought this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I bought this one on the road.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I wanted every second since.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I have an autograph Andre Dawson Cubs jersey that
I was gonna wear, like because I have to go
in a what time is it in? Like an hour
and a half, two hours and do the credentials and
go meet with the other celebrities who were playing, and
then we do batting practice that kind of stuff. And
I was gonna wear that jersey that auto Andre Dawson
(04:32):
during or I can just wear like a shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is that a lame for me to do?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Andre Dawson is across the street signing autographs as we speak.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
What what are we doing? Hey? Wrap it up now?
Speaker 8 (04:46):
I downloaded the chart game app No, there's no charge.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
They're all over there signing autographs for free.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I believe, I believe so. But yeah, Andre Dawson is
across the street.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Dang, that would be cool. I wish you could get
to talk to Andre Dawes, who knew I did.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I knew was good.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We haven't had he hasn't been on yet, and I'm saying,
we're also trying to get other people too. It's not
they're not compared. We tried to get like four or
five people and he's like, no, Ryan, Yeah, no, crap.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was awesome. We'll do that now.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Then let's talk to Ryan Dempster again. Check out Ryan's show.
Ryan Dempster is the co host of MLB Network's Intentional Talk,
Get It Walk. Nobody didn't get it?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Second, did you get it? I got it?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
If we got we're all covered and none in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's all toward read. But Read's like I don't have
a favorite. Sometimes. I was happy that he had a
favorite Read.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
I used to play all the baseball games and he
was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Uh yeah, but do your top do your mount Rushmore
a favorite baseball players?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh cheez, okay, it would have to be David Ortiz
number one. Uh, to be honest, Matt Holliday at number two.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Because we went to did you get a ball signed behind?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Then I did get a No, No, I didn't, Sad the.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Second favorite player of all time and that's who you
didn't ask for autograph when you ask everybody else for
autograph anywhere we go.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I definitely wanted to. I had it in my pocket
and I walked out with my head down, and I
was like, I just couldn't do it, really do it.
But yeah, so Matt Holliday because I saw him play
when he was with the Rockies.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
That was like my first MLB game.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I went to, Let's see who else?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Mm Babe Ruth?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Gary, to be honest, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You got too, I like that. Can you think of
another player that you just kind of liked?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean Derek Jeter, but every.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Gay that's three? Okay, that's Ali Rushman. Okay. Who's playing now?
Who's younger than you?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is your fourth favorite players younger than you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Are?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We gonna go over to Ryan Dempster now, who played
for the Marlins, the Reds, the Cubs, the Rangers, the
Red Sox. He's a two time All Star. He's a
twenty thirteen World Series champion with the Red Sox. He's
in the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame over two thousand strikeouts.
Here he is Ryan Dempster. We're here with Ryan Dempster.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And I didn't wear a Cub jersey on purpose because
I know you were coming. Because we were like, I wonder.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Vinyl show up.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He's worn this for three days.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah yeah, non souf if I ran into it any city.
We just came from Arizona, so I was like, maybe
we running Ryan Dempster. I'll wear my jersey. I'm massive
Cubs fan. So let's just say that ahead of time.
This could be a very Cubs oriented interview asking a
lot of questions, but softball Ricky is here. Do you
want to ask your one question that you tried to
whisper to him that was kind of.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
Creepy because I mean, maybe you wouldn't want to answer. Okay,
go ahead with the microphone, is okay? I mean, I
mean I longtime Texas Ranger fan. I've had season tickets,
but I love baseball history. I have an affinity for
all of the sort of blue bud traditional teams, Yankees, Cubs,
(07:48):
you know, Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is it would you say that you.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Were more or were prone to be more excited playing
for the Cubs for to say, the Rangers, just because
I mean, you're playing for the Cubs for a team.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's just like I.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Think that's like a pretty like fair assessment, like like
put it this way. So I actually got drafted by
Texas by the Rangers in ninety five, came to the
ballpark at Arlington, like a nineteen ninety six pre spring training,
you know, rookie development thing, and like I had the
license plate cover and the bad I was gonna be
Texas Ranger for like I'm pretty sure had a necklace
that said Rangers on it, you know, like everything was
(08:26):
going to be Rangers. And I got traded and then
I was with the Marlins and everything, and I made
my first start at Wrigley and I walked into Wrigley Field.
It was June first, nineteen ninety eight. And after the game,
I called my and I got rocked. I didn't make
it out of the second inning. And I called my
parents and I called my dad and I said, I
am going to play for the Chicago Cubs. Like this,
(08:47):
this is different. This is different than other places.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, would that be like Chicago, Saint Louis, Boston,
those we think of, like those foundational baseball cities. Would
it feel like that in all of those places or
only the teams were good.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, I think it was maybe just the energy of
Wrigley that really got me, you know what I mean,
like and like the fans like you walk in. You know.
I took a cab to the ballpark and then I
kind of got the cab driver to let me out
a couple of blocks before so you could kind of
walk and just check it out. I'd heard, you know,
about Wrigley and and just like the vibe around it,
like there's no other ballpark like that in the country
(09:22):
where you got all four streets or something's happening in
every corner. Something like even at Fenway you got yaku
Wa or whatever it's called now, but they you know,
it's it's not like that. It's it's just different there,
and and you know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
People try to duplicate it, but you can't. Like no,
it's like it's incredible.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, and I played it, you know, I played at
Fenway too and played for the Red Sox and it
was amazing in its own way, But it wasn't Wrigly.
It was There's just something about it you can't I
guess time maybe is why it's it feels that way.
I think the.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Fans there right yeah, and all I went to watch
the Cubs when they when they beat the Indians, massive
cups tame a whole life. So I was like, I
gotta go up. The Cubs are in the World Series
first times.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's forty five. I had one to since eight. Yeah,
Like there were people that were generation before me that
never got to see the Cubs even in a World Series.
So I'm like, I gotta go. So I had to
watch and play the Indians a game too. They lost.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
However, I've never seen Wrigley as packed to the gills
where you couldn't moved, or Wrigglelyville and everybody's so happy. Yeah,
I've never been somewhere so crowded where everyone was just
impure like enjoyment because of where they were that day
and how rare it was. The darkest years with the Cubs.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Was you? Yeah? Were you playing day game with a
lot of days, a lot of day games? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Man, a bad season in a day game that would be.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Terrible, especially if for someone who liked to go out
and have a good time at night, you know, and
day games were tough to get up.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know what time you have to get there for
day games.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I would say I was. I'm kind of a limited
sleep guy anyways, and I'm an early riser, and I'm
a first guy at the ballpark type thing. So if
you know we're playing a one to twenty game, I
was usually rolling into Reglarly about eight thirty, you know,
really Yeah, So I'd walk in and Kent Murcury would
already have the crossword down. He'd be sipping his coffee
and rode his bike already. He's like the first guy
the ballpark every day.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
If you get there first, do you get control of
the music in the clubhouse?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah? Yeah, or the starting pitcher that day, which is
which is funny because the starting picture rarely hangs out
in the clubhouse, yet they have control of the music.
You know, like all the position players are like, is
he gone? He's gone? Right, he got put on something else.
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You mentioned the Marlins that that was quite a staff
when you're with the Marlins just generally speaking, because they were.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
The whole team. Yeah, I look at like the I said,
there should be a documentary. I mean, you get called
the ninety eight Marlins, maybe just ninety eight, ninety nine Marlins.
If you look at that team, I don't think that
there's ever been a team, not since, but like I
don't even know if you could find one before where
you had that many rookies who went on to have
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super successful careers in the big leagues, like careers, not
jobs in the big leagues. The didn't play for four
years of fibers. I'm talking. Guys are full pensioned. You know,
all stars, you know, were serious champions. When you go
down the list of Mike Lowell at third base, Alex
Gonzalis at short stop, Louis Castillo at second base, Kevin
Malaran Derectly at first or Kevin and left field, Mark
Cottze you know who's now managing in the big leagues,
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and Preston Wilson and Mike Redmand behind the plate, myself,
Brad Penny A. J Burnett, you know, Josh Beckett after
you know, my last year there, like you it's crazy
like and it was all and we were all the
same time. Like when we had rookie dress up, there
was more guys dressed up than not dressed up. Like
we wore diapers and bonnets and stuff to Montreal through
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customs and the customers was like, what is this? You know,
it's like those are the rookies. The one guy goes
all rookies, you know, like, yeah, man, we had a
lot of us, but it all it all worked out.
I think we all learned how to lose together and
then we figured out how to win together.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I got like Beckett, I'm just for memory. Was he
a Texas kid? Yeah, like came heart throwing Texas kid.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know, had was known as a kid with gas
when he came up. Yeah, when he comes up, I
would be cocky as crap. Yeah, if I were put up.
He was the cockiest guy that ever came up to
the big leagues.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Early.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, well he came out in the he got rode
hard by Alex Fernandez in ninety eight. He gets he's
getting drafted, and he comes out and says that he's
going to be the Marlins representative for the All Star
Game the next year after being drafted.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Not as a joke, No, he was just full of confidence.
And what's the fine line there?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Because obviously you know wide receiver, you drop the ball,
you got a defensive back, you let pitcher. You can't
let your next outing effect. You know what happened here?
What's the fine line in confident and cocky with a pitcher.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That was good. That was with Joshua was a really
fine line. And I like josh a lot. But he
got he got. He came into the locker room in
Houston and Alex Fernandez let him have it, you know,
and like, you know, hey, guys, grab your seat on
the bus. We can't afford a plane because we gave
our al Star next year all this money, you know. Like, yeah,
it was honestly, it was a little over the line.
I felt like, you know, like, but like I did
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admire Josh's confidence, Like I I was a guy who
did not feel like I deserve to be in the
big I didn't deserve to be in the big leagues
when I first got there, Like I was a byproduct
of the Marlins trading everybody away and like, oh, we're
going to trade all these guys and bring up a
bunch of guys from Double A, you know, and learn
at the big league level. So I wasn't ready, whereas
he believed at high school level that he could strike
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out Barry Bonce.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Let's go at what age did you start to be
someone that people started to put eyes on as either
because you played baseball Canada, right, Yeah, at what age
did scouts start to look at you and take you seriously?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I would say sixteen, fifteen sixteen, like you know, when
you're I'm from a super small town up there, and
I played baseball in West Vancouver at this little park
called Ambleside Park. And I remember the first scout, a
guy named bird Dog for the Texas Rangers who drafted me,
a guy named Don Sherry. And Don was like, you know,
this old kind of guy. You looked like you'd see
in like an extra and cheers sitting at the bar.
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You know, you just sitting there all right, kid? You
got a good arm. You know you got a good arm.
You keep throwing that ball. And then next thing you know,
Jim Chapman was another scout for the Dodgers. He showed up,
and then these scouts started to show up. I got
a great picture. I'm like seventeen years old, my junior year,
and I'm throwing at Ambleside and my uncle, just as
a joke, went in with a hair dryer. There was
like thirteen scouts and they're all holding guns and he's
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got a hair dryer, and they have no idea. It's
so great. Yeah, I have framed and everything. It's so awesome.
So yeah, and that's kind of when it just started
to steamroll. And then it was like playing for Team
Cannon in the World Junior Championships and then you're playing
against you know, US and Cuba and these really good
teams like and then you start to compete, and then
next thing you know, it was all right, here we go,
it's happening.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How many pitches did you think you have versus how
many pitches did they tell you you had they could
translate to the next level.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
They told me I had one my fastball, but I
had I had a good break and by no change
up whatsoever. I didn't have a change up in the
big leagues until really a true, good, effective change up
until post Tommy John and Fergy Jenkins taught me on
the backfield in two thousand and four, I think two
thousand and five spring training.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And how long until you actually can feel comfortable throwing
that in a game?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Pretty quick? It was a weird thing, Like I'm not kidding.
I was walking to the back field of spring training
of two thousand and five, I was getting ready to
throw a bullpen. I'd come back in two thousand and four,
and and Fergy was like, hey, I just stopped him,
and I knew he had a pretty decent changeable, although
he didn't throw it a lot when he was pitching.
He was mostly basketball breaking ball because he had such
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a good command. And I said, how did you throw
your change up? I mean, I could write a book
on change up grips. I tried the Trevor Hoffman fosch,
I tried the circle change. I tried turning stuff over.
I tried everything, and he said, oh, just grab it
like this, and it was kind of like a split
change where you would put it's like a split finger fastball,
but your finger would be up like a circle change.
And then my other three fingers came up on the
side of the ball, so it was like this vulcan grip.
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And I get up to the backfield and Larry Rothschild's
a pitching coach, and I go, uh, I got a pitch.
I think I'm gonna try and throw. And he was
kind of a little hesitating because I was coming off
Tommy John you know, the year before. And he was like,
all right, and I throw it and it just goes
and he's just like whoa, yes, one hundred percent. I
was like, uh, I would throw that again, straight down
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and I'm like, oh, something here, and then you know,
because of the grip, it was at times that you know,
I could sail off on me, but they just became
a super effective pitch and I and he just said,
don't lose your arm at arm speed on that throw
at that arm speed, and it became honestly probably extended
my career eight years. Who knows, like it was that effective?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Would you try to throw it in simulated games? Do
they simulate games?
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, and just throwing it like insides
throwing it and then and then what I did was
kind of like spring training, right. Although we like to
like think that it's so important if our team wins
or loses when we go to those games, like you know,
it's unfortunately that's how it is now. Guys paid seventy
five bucks to go to a spring training game, and
it's like, my team's got to win, you know, Plus
we can bet on it. So it's like, you know,
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I can't, but you know people can of course. But
and so back back then you could kind of get
away with having some freedom to hone your craft without
any anybody, Karen. So I was like, I'm just gonna
throw a start and just throw splits like the whole game,
you know. So it was like, okay, So I probably
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I threw two or three innings in a spring training game,
and I say I threw fifty pitches. I betch you
I had threw forty split fingerpass paying.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And even if you're getting crushed.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I wasn't. And then I wasn't getting crushed. It was like, oh,
this is a really really good pitch, you know, and
it helped me neutralize lefties especially.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'll watch a lot of Charlie Huff knuckleball videos, yeah,
because he's mean, he's six or seventies now and he's
still showing these kids how to throw knuckleballs.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Knuckleball kind of a lost art, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, for me, probably Wakefield was the last guy
that I saw do it effectively.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Was he the last guy to do it effectively?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah? He was the last. I mean there was a
couple of guys that came through, like you know, ra.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
A Dickey and right Dicky.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Yeah, but like but like even I mean, wake was
pitching up till our finished pitching like pretty much you know,
so like Wake was the the elite after Charlie Huff.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And I'll show I'll watch Huff just show these kids
how to throw a knuckleball three inches right, And it's
like you throw at three inches and then slowly back
away from it. So these kids are going to this
camp and they're learning how to throw knuckleballs. If you
would have learned to have thrown a knuckleball, could you
have tried to throw it in the game?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Did you ever try? Nothing balls at all?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
No shot? I don't know what it was. I couldn't
just like it's spun, just came out of my hands
and tumbled, you know. I don't know if it was
my arm action. You know. I was a big slider guy,
so it was like always you know, with my wrists,
so it's hard for me to lock my wrist and
not turn it. The minute you go like that, it's
going to just start going to hold your wrist still
is like the most important thing. And I just I
didn't have that in me and never never really tried.
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After that. I'd goop around playing catch, but yeah, it
was a thing that if I could have I would
have no doubt, Like effective if you can throw for
strikes with throwing.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I'm gonna ask about and not the controversial part
of this, but I was watching a video with Trevor
Bauer talking about practicing and throwing constantly and then throwing
less during a game, and he's like, if you throw
all the time, you'll be stronger.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Therefore you are won't be sore.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But then also like the Strasburg effect where it's like
with Strasburg, the one that started limiting how many pitches
a pitcher could throw. Over where do you fall on
how much a pitcher should actually throw? Because I'm listening
to two different guys who have been successful tell me
two different things.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I tend to lead towards what You'rever's saying. I think
if you think about it, like when we were kids,
and when we were growing up and we were playing baseball,
very few kids got a sore arm. There might have
been one pitcher on the team like, oh he heard
his arm. We played catch all the time. We didn't
need an organized practice, we didn't need an organized game,
we didn't need travel ball, none of that stuff. We
just went and played catch with a bunch of kids
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in the park and we just threw and threw and threw,
and we played five hundred up and you played Cherry,
you know, I don't know if you were played Cherry
where guy has a bat and then you go out
the outfield the guy you catch the ball in the air,
then you throw it and you try to hit the bat,
you know, and it hits the bat and goes over
the bat and lands on the ground. Now you switch positions,
and I'd play this for well, we're throwing it two
hundred feet, you know, like long toss. I look at
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look at all of like the premiere relievers of fifty
last fifty years, all of those guys, all of those closers,
all of those set up guys, all those guys who
had long careers, longevity careers, they all long tossed every
single day. You watch them Like Jose may Man, that dude.
I watched that dude long toss like nobody else ever
in the big leagues. Dude three hundred feet every day
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they needed him, he was ready. He never was on
the deal never, you know, And I think that we
we are limiting. We're taking cars, fancy shiny Lamborghinis and
Ferraris and everything, and instead of taking him out for
a ride on the freeway. We're like, just in the
driveway real quick, and then we take it on the freeway. Man,
it broke. That's weird because we asked it to go
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one hundred and fifty real fast and it hasn't done
one hundred and fifty. Like minor leagues let him pitch.
They pitch four innings and they're like, good job, good job.
And then they get to the big leagues and we
have to take them out with no hitters because they're
not extended. Like, don't tell me it doesn't work. It's
a lie. It's a fabricated lie. It works. Steve Carlton
through two hundred and fifty innings for twenty years. Nolan
Ryan threw for twenty seven years in the big leagues,
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you know, like and hard and hard. Yeah, he's throwing
one hundred at forty five years old. Like, come on,
it works. We have sat there and thinks that we
can predict at injuries and we can't. Some guys, you know,
they're the reason that they're getting drafted tonight, you know,
and because they're the best young talent in the world.
So like you have Clydesdale's, you have these show ponies,
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you know, and don't just walk them around the yard.
Let them run, let them go. Man. I feel like
if I could ever have control, it never would happen
because today and not in today's game, they're not gonna
let an ex player run the minor league system. But
give me the pitchers. I'll develop. I'll build you horses
number ones and number two's and the other guys. Sorry,
if you can't make it, you can't make it. Guess what.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It's hard.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
It's the big leagues. There's not another league on the
moon that we can go to play at, not yet anyways.
Elon's working on that. But like you know, it's it's
the truth. So yeah, throw more, you don't get hurt.
It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Before I get to the Cups questions and Nolan Ryan
question since you brought them up, they would talk about
gunning Nolan Ryan back in the day, still one hundred
and one oh one. But if it was he was
gun today, it'd be like one oh seven one oh eight.
Just at what the guns can do now versus where
they shot from. You think Nolan Ryan could throw a
hundred seven hundred.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Eight Yeah, I think, you know, I think outside of
Steve del Kowski's the hardest thrower ever. You know, I
don't know if you know about Steve Delkowski. There's a
left handed pitcher.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
About your size, Well, I mean I'm pretty big.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, little, I mean little?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Well, just how are you? I'm six two? How tall
are you? Six? Okay?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But I feel like I feel like you think he's
like five eight?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
He thought? No, no, no, I thought you. I say
he was under six feet. I thought you were maybe
like five to eleven.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, that's what he is.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Okay, you're right. It wasn't a knock on your hand.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It was like, you know, but he's ripping like me though,
Yeah he's ripped.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, com clearly Jackie Man. But he would he would
throw games in them. If you look up his minor
league stats, it's pretty amazing. But he was. He was
a guy that was throwing one hundred and seven hundred
eight miles an hour and the and when you talk
to people who watched him pitch, they're like, and he
was left handed with the orioles like he would throw
games nine innings, lose six to four, you know, walk ten,
strikeout seventeen, Like these couldn't hit it. But Nolan Ryan
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was the same way it was. You know, guys said
it was his fastball just disappeared, like you know, I
got to see him pitch live when he was later
in his career, but I never got to see it,
you know, firsthand and stuff like that. But it was different.
It was just it was by you. Like you don't
have the most no hitters, the most one hitters, the
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most two hitters, the most three hitters, strikeout a thousand
more batters than second place. Like I saw a stat
the other day like somebody could strike out, you know,
two hundred batters a year for twenty years and still
be seventeen hundred strike I was short of Noel Ryant, like,
you don't do that unless you throw harder than everybody else.
And I think he I think he sat at one
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hundred and he probably ticked it up to one oh
five one oh six if he needed it, and maybe harder.
Who knows, there's rumors he threw one oh eight, you know,
like I wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Do you feel like you're a cub?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah? Nine years yeah, I mean it's long, yeah, and
post right, so like post playing, I saw THEO brought
me over as a special assistant for the front office,
So really have been with the organization for over twenty years.
So yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
When you go directly played first when you were there, right, Yeah,
but you you work with him in Florida, am we
played twelve years together.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So was he there but a year before or do
you guys go at the.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Same time, same time?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay, so you didn't. Did you have.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Anybody there that you already knew when you went to
Chicago that kind of when you go to an organization
like that, or do you even need someone to kind
of tell you about the culture, what the fans are, Like.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
No, I knew, and like at that point in my career,
you know, I was I'd been in the big leagues
for five years, six years now, so it was like, oh,
and I knew like I played with Kent Merker in
Cincinnati the year before or two years before that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You played them a lot, So you were in Chicago
a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Too, Yeah, and playing the Cubs and then I, you know,
I knew carry a little bit just across the field,
and it was Paul Bocco and I played together in Florida,
So there was like these little tie ins and I'd
went to Japan with Mike Gremliner and I knew a
few guys and so it was easy. And then just
an easy transition played against Greg Greg could come back.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And oh four my first year over there, to see
Dusty Bakers still be successful, I mean, to win with
another World Series. What was Dusty Baker like as a
manager then, and then you're still so a part of
Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Is he the same Dusty Baker now as he was
in Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That's I think That's what I loved about him so
much was he really did care about you the person.
You know, Like he'd call you up to the office
dust he wants to see and you go in there
and he would just be like, how's everything at home?
Everything good? How's your mom and dad doing? You know,
like to me personally, Like I know some guys that
doesn't matter to them, but for me, that mattered a lot.
You know, I'm a big family guy. You know, I'm tight.
I'm tight with all my guys I went to high
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school with. Like that kind of relationship stuff was really important.
So he was really great about that, just like always
like that. And then you know, just just Carrid and
wanted to win and wanted to do what it meant.
It meant a lot to him, and yeah, just a
great man. I was really happy for him because it
was like the one thing that was hanging over him
for the Hall of Fame was, oh, you know, I
didn't won the World Series. I didn't won the World
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Series and been closed so many times, and so for
him to finally get it, you know, and to do
it at his age, to show you that experience does matter,
a little bit of that does matter was really important.
So yeah, really really awesome dude.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Guys like Carrie Wood and Mark Pryor who came up
and have high expectations but real big success early on.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
What do you think happened to those guys?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I think that well, you know both right, there's there's
there's the injury factor and I can't even imagine, you know,
Like I'm close with Carrie and for him to strike
out twenty and your six start in the big leagues,
you know, it's like where do you go from there?
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The expectations from a fan base, like every single time
he was taking them ount it was like, you know,
people in the bleachers with handfuls of K cards because
he's going to strike out twenty again, and it's like, oh, yeah,
good game, man, you only had thirteen today. You know.
It was like striking out thirteen's hard, you know. So
I think he had probably bigger expectations than Mark did.
And and Mark, I mean, everything was going great and
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then he ran over Marcus Giles at second in between
first and second base and landed on his shoulder, and
then I don't think he was just ever the same
after that. I think he would say the same thing,
you know, it was hard to kind of come back
from that, started to deal for the first time in
his life really with any kind of arm issues or
any kind of injuries, and then just not able to
fully come back from it, and then had a surgery
and then just wasn't able to come back from it.
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But like, yeah, like you're talking generational talent, like Paul
Skeene's type talent coming in different right, Like like Mark
Durosa tells a great story about carry Wood pitching. He's
with Atlanta in nineteen ninety Sorry, in two thousand and three,
in Game five in Atlanta of the Division Series before
they went to the NLCS, Chipper Jones goes and hits
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in the first inning off carry Wood and de Ro's like,
you know, I'm super excited. We're in game five, like
I might get a pinch hit but get bad or something.
Chipper punches out against Kerry and then comes in the dugout.
He's putting his helmet in his bad away. He looks
at Dero goes, hey, dude, we're going home today. Like
that's how electric his shit goes, you know, pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Were there guys that you felt like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I love pitching against this guy because our mixture is
that my mixture usually does better.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I know other guys will be like, man, this guy's
gonna crush.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Me like hit or wise. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
Like for like it's crazy, Like it's funny how that
matches up. Like take take a guy like Joe Mauer.
At one point, Joe was oh for seven with six strikeouts.
How's that even possible? Right, Like like.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
One of the best hitters, yeah, who never struck out.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I struck him out three times in a game. He
did that like five times in his career, Like you know,
but then like you know, Fred McGriff just like dragged
me around the room like whatever he wanted. To do
with me. You know, it was like just double in
the gap, double the gap, home run laser, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Perfect to be, like even arm placement, like where you're
throwing the ball from where.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I asked him and he said that that for whatever reason,
he's like, you know, like all the guys in the
team would be like, dudes, don't let him get to
his slider. His slider's nasty. And he's like, I just
your slider just came right into my bat path and like,
you know, even like I just saw it out of
your hand, and some guys just don't pick it up
and some guys do. And you know him, Luis Gonzalez.
Mostly lefties, not a lot of Righty's kind of raked me.
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Doug Landville hit me pretty good, surprisingly enough, but yeah
there was there was a few like Barry Bonds never
took me deep, but he went six for ten. Yeah,
we're in San Francisco. Is a good one. And Barry's
like in Berry, like prime Berry. You know, he's just
going up to the plate like not even gonna hit
because nobody's all I think he was walked two hundred
and thirty times or something. And Kevin Malar was my
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teammate at the time, and I'm in San France. I'm
getting ready to go out at the bottom of the
first sitting and I'm going up the steps and i
just feel my like jersey pull back and I'm like,
turn around. He goes, you don't got a harrow in
your ass if you don't find out what you got
against Barry Bonds. I'm want four seam fastballs down the
middle as hard as you can find out. And I'm like, okay,
so I we did the priority number one. I got
to get the first two guys out, you know. So
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I get the first two guys out. Here comes Barry.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Doctor J's like, man, Barry Bonds, old place going nuts.
And I'm laying on the mountain. I'm like I look
out left field and I'm like, all right, here we go,
you know. And I throw the first pitch ninety four
four seams center cut right down the middle, and all
of a sudden, Barry's like, oh, okay, hold on, you're
gonna you wanna play all right, you can do this,
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you know. Then I throw another four seam fastball like
middle away fouls it back, and then I throw an
O two four seam fastball middle away again like ninety five,
and he tattoos it off the top corner of the
right field like wall that's up there like every other park.
It's a homer and then it carems for a triple
and I come in and Lar goes Man, you should
have got your stuff in Mexico, you know, like it
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was just really funny. It was just like the best.
You were facing the best in the moment, and I
was like, all right, let me find out where my
stuff plays. And I not not against him. Nobody's good.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
What do you ever have words with depending on who
was catching you, if you shook him off more than
once or twice? Was that ever an issue when you
got back in the dug out or in the clubhouse.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I don't think it was ever an issue. There was
definitely guys who were better to handle it, you know,
like some guys like you know, coming up right, like
Mike Redman was great, you know, he was really great
about why like more conversation, Charles Johnson like and I
just didn't think you should go with that pitch, you know.
And then you had guys like Cooy Hill, who is
a great catcher for us with the Cubs for a
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few years. You know, like as far as like winning
ball games, a dude could frame throw attitude and like
sometimes you're shake and shake it and you just.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Go just whatever, just throw whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I'm not gonna put any more fingers down, Like what
do you what do you want to throw? Already put
them around. He wants to go back to the fastball,
like throw it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, how do you feel that communication now with
electronic communication?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I don't love it because I like it in the
sense of the speeding up the game and there's lights
of mountain visits and all those kind of things. I
just believe that that was part of it. Right, Like
we've slowly started to take things away from the mental side,
like cards to tell you where to stand. You know,
stand here because it's gonna happen. But although you know,
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maybe on that moment it doesn't, you know, and you
get the tailor made double play ball in the second
basement standing on second base, you know, And I get it.
I understand the percentages and the data and all that
kind of stuff, but also like they're all it's all
great on a macro level, but every individual game and
every individual moment in the game is a micro level, right,
So like we can get to that data however we want.
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We can have enough at bats to say that the
ball is going to hit it hitting the hole. But
like maybe today I got an extra zip on my fastball,
and so maybe that guy might not, you know, necessarily
be on time. He might be a little bit late.
Like Jason Hayward is one of the best in the league.
You watch him play a Shane Victorino when I play
with Vic in Boston, man, like you watch him. I
told Peter Gammons one time and if you're ever talking
to Peter asking about the story, and he did, and
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he goes it was one of the coolest things is
I go, don't watch the pitcher, don't watch the hit
or nothing. Watch Shane Victoria play rightfield and watch him
move pitch to pitch like a chess game, dude, And
he's like, oh, it's one two, I'm going to take
three steps into my left so that the little bass
hit doesn't fall in because if if it's a double
in the gap, that's the pitcher's fall. But if it's
if it's a little blue pit that's going to fall
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and that's my fault, I should be the one playing
for the executed pitch, you know. And so you know,
I think like with the pitch communication, like Sodo and
I would have, we would have innings where we didn't
even use he would use signs, and we never I
would catch the ball and turn to my left. I
want to fastball away. I catch the ball and like
as I catch it, I just put my hand to
catch it with my glove like this and then really casually.
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And that means I want to high fastball, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Like I call it plays some football.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, I would like catch a ball back and then
just like grab my belt real quick like and just
move like that. I want to split the hitter doesn't know,
especially if the hitters looking at the third base coach
or something. Nobody knows. Now, you do all the signs,
but they don't mean anything, you know, and so then
they could relay something and be wrong whatever it is. Like,
And I just think we've taken that away from guys.
You know, we got to do it. We're going to
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tell you where a stand, you know, over there. Two steps? Okay,
back up, Tommy, Okay, come in Tommy, Like, come on, man,
they're girl men. Let him play. Yeah, let them figure
it out, you know, but we can't risk anything going wrong,
you know, and then it falls in and we're like,
well but yeah, but the card said we should be there,
so we were there and it didn't go there. So
at least the data. We played the data. But it's
like sometimes you got to play your heart, your eyes,
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your sense, your smell whatever. It is. Like, man, that
guy I saw him last night at the bar and
he was wrecked. Bro, he is not on a heat.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's not dad. There's no data.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
No, you can't quantify it, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Final four questions. So you mentioned Peter Gammon. Would you
ever finish a start and go watch like baseball tonight?
Oh yeah, watch you if you had a good one,
or would you avoid it if it was a bad one?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Well, if I came over to the Marlins, so it
was usually just a box score, you know, we were
on the Highlight reel and the Marlins one today, you know,
like but yeah, no, absolutely, and like I would always
I love that stuff, like even a replay, you know,
just to just to see it and kind of just
especially a good game, right the game, all sports, but
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especially baseball, which is a highly built on failure. Like
you're going to fail a lot. You know, name out
other things in the world where you can fail seventy
percent of the time and be great, Like it's just
not really realistics. And so when you do have positive
things happen and you can reinforce that in your head
so you can walk in like Josh Beckett with your
chest boat out and be like, I'm a badass. You know,
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I think is really important. You know, not necessarily in
the moment. I don't love the iPad in the game
where they let me let me see that, like because
in that moment you won't feel what did I feel
instead of what I see? But like afterwards when I'm
having an ice cool beer on my couch and be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Felt like I be like ravage, come on, put a
up more of a something to beat buddies with them
so they like, put some more of the highlight.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I finally struck out, Fred McGriff throw that up there.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
You know, Broan, what was your lifestyle like traveling in
the majors hotels? You know, like, what what would you do?
There's a lot of downtime.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a different bird. I will say
that I think if you talk to guys who played
with me, they can kind of agree. I highly encouraged
fun events, you know. I never said no to an opportunity.
You know, Like Kenny Chesty came into Chicago and he
was throwing off doing a concert and doing the stretch
and all that kind of stuff. And I popped up
(36:51):
in game in my in my uniform, you know, and
I into his suite with his dad and him, and
I'm sitting there in my uniform during the game. Yeah,
and he goes, uh say, hey, man, I ke you sing.
I go, well, I don't know what's Ken singing? And
he goes, we sing with me tonight. And I'm like,
at Soldier Field, Sure, So I went out and did
you know the opening two verses from back where I
come from at Solderfield from fifty seven thousand people Like,
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That's how I lived my life always. So if it's
like there's a concert, I'm going, there's a hockey game,
I'm going, you want to practice with the team. Absolutely,
I'm a little bit like you, like you like to
experience all those things and do those things the same way.
At New York City, get off the bus. I didn't
go to my room, gave my bag to the clubhouse.
Guys had put that in my room. I'll see you later.
I'd go to Times Square till two in the morning,
walk around, experience see things, watch people play three carmonty,
(37:36):
you know, like if there was an event, I'm going
to go if you know. Like sometimes like I remember
David Ross and I being like, you know, walking around
New York three thirty in the morning and eating pizza.
He's like, what are we doing? I go, I don't
know how many times you go to New York three
thirty in the morning. Let's go. It's you know. And
I see guys like that had a different life, and
that's that's okay. We all have our own path. I
was very much my hotel room was sleeping and that
(37:57):
was it. I didn't hang out in my hotel room.
I got up golf, they got up and worked out.
I went paddle board and you know, in Detroit, and
Shelley's like, I'm picking up. We're going paddle board and
like all these different little things. I go out and
stay in Malibu when we're playing in la and go
surf with layered and you do all these things. Because
I just loved I love that. So that was like
how I was, you know, when I was playing my
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whole entire career always Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Final two questions.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I wanted to ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I'm very intrigued by the unwritten rules of baseball and
the enforcement of those things. And uh, let's this is
purely hypothetical. Let's say that you know a message has
to be sent to a guy, and maybe it's a
specific player, Like just hypothetically, this is the size of
somebody named Sammy Sos, Like Sammy Sos Yeah, and you
(38:44):
know they're like, hey, you know, Sammy's got to wear one.
I would have been like if I were a picture,
I'd be like, I'm trying it. Hit Craig Gray back it.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Was like five six, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Careful with Walt Weiss though he's a tough guy.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Really see, I love thinking wrestler.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
But like one, what goes through your mind when it's like, okay,
you were wanting me to face down a monster in
that scenario? And h two does maybe who's catching or
playing third base factor into your confidence where it's like tex,
I've got Michael Remember Michael Barrett.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
That guy was a tough dude.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Yep, I've been like I would be like, okay, I'll
but you know, like Michael's there, I probably feel a
lot better about it. I mean, like, how tell me
how what a picture is thinking? And like is there
a strategy? Like I feel a lot better about it
because he's catching that kind.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Of Yeah, I think. I think generally, you just know
that you're already at an advantage, right, you're pretty much,
let's just call it. You have five friends closer than
the other guys, So like there is a security in that, right,
Like if he charges the mound, my infielders and my
catcher are all going to get there before anybody else
on his team. Maybe the ion deck can get out
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there fast enough. And so in it coming up in
my era, it was a thing. It was a send
a message like you know, you know do this you
like I got. I got thrown out of one game
in my entire career for retaliation. I hit Travis Fryman
after Mike Lowell got drilled pretty hard, and I got
thrown out for that is the only time. But I
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never really I never really worried about it personally, Like
even the biggest guys like this most scared I ever
had to Retell. He was at it moyses Loo when
I was with the Cincinnati Reds and Jason LaRue owned
Mark Pryor like just for whatever reason, just hit him everywhere.
And then Mark Pryor was throwing at his head. And
I'm like, and Jason's my catcher. And so I get
(40:42):
two out and I kind of like, you know, somebody
said something that dug out, like that's bullcrap. I said,
I got this and I got two out and here
comes moyes Lou and like this dude is like the toughest,
like you know, and I'm like, oh, man, god, we
go here we go. Don't hit him above the belt.
Don't hit him above the belt. And I and and
this is how pro he is. I ninety five right
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to the quad and he just bent down, took off
his shin guard and went to first base. Never looked
out there. I never looked at him, you know, And
in my eyes, it was like, man, I already respected
this guy. Now I really respect him because he knows
what's going on. You know. I think it's changed a lot.
It's not a thing anymore. These guys are too friendly
with each other, not too friendly at like meaning like
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they all know each other.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
They grow up and they play together.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I have travel ball everywhere there on TMSA perfect games.
They're doing all these things so they don't and then
like rarely do you ever. Even in my career, I
think I hit one hundred guys or roughly around hundred guys.
I think probably five of them are on purpose. You know,
there's not a lot that are on purpose. Some of
them might be like get off the plate, but like
I'm not like I'm trying to hit this guy. But
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you always have like the back pocket, like you know
when you're when you know you're you know, when I
directly at first base and their dugout is over there,
like on first baseline, I'm like, I'm good, yeah, you know,
like I'm fine, he's got he's got my back.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Last baseball question, when you do your musical Mount Rushmore
a favorite artists ever lowering the mound. That's the talk
now because I would have batted.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The whole league is batting like two thirty to forty
depending on what week you look at it.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Thoughts, Uh have George Brett to tell a few more
kids how to hit and teach that way.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I listen to George Brett tell like talk about heating.
It's great, like planes, yeah, big planes guy, yeah, count
count guy.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Like I think there's a little bit of a lost
art in that. Like it's fine. Your three A swings
are great, you know, like put an a swing on it,
three A swings, get three swings in. But like it
also is really nice to leave the game one to nothing.
So if that means getting a runner over from second
base so that you know, you know who likes hitting
with a runner on third and one out the guy
behind you, you know, your teammate because now I guess
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they just fly out, you know, guy in fields back,
just put the ball in play. You really can't put
the ball in play. You can't do that. You're the
best hitters in the world and you can't. I get it.
Dudes are throwing hard, but like you can't shorten up
and just play Pepper to the second basement who's played
all the way back and get an RBI. Your average
goes like this all year, man, those are RBIs only
go like that looks really good with one hundred of
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them at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
So don't lower the mount.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Don't lower the mount. I think that's a cop out
for guys not wanting to adjust the way they hit.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
What about when they lowered it, like Bob Gibson, a big,
bigger reason than the mound got lowered to begin with,
Like you could come up and just knock them down.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, do you feel like it should still be even higher?
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I would love it if it was higher. No, I
think they found a sweet spot. I think that's a
really good place to be right now, and I don't
think it needs to be adjusted. I think that's just
I think you risk injuries. I just think that there's
it's a way we want to be creative because you know,
averages are down, but offensive production is up. Runs are up,
so guys are hitting home runs. I think if we
(43:45):
just put a little emphasis on paying the three hundred
hitter instead of just paying for ops, so that all
guys do is try to launch every single pitch, because like, cool,
if I go zero for three and I hit the
ball hard three times, that's all that matters. Exit v
low and like if we put an emphasis on like, yeah,
you hit three hundred, you get paid. You know, It's
like if I'm a manager, I have three rules beyond
time hustle and if you hit a home run, you
(44:06):
play the next day. That's it. I don't care what
the analytics say, you play the next day.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Musical Mount Rushmore. Final question, give me the four artists
that have infected your life the most.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Okay, Garth Brooks.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Why Garth?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
That's my child. I grew up you know, loving country
music and that's like you know, times of the the memories.
It sparks in my head. Man is like so great. Yeah, yeah,
have you met him? Uh yeah, yeah. Actually he did
the teammates for kids. It's charity thing that he would
always do. And we actually uh got to hang one
night up in his suite, which was which was pretty awesome.
(44:48):
It was a weird collection me him, Roulan Gardner, Larry
Walker and uh it was it was a blast. But
just he was awesome, man, so awesome. I would probably
I would say Marvin Gay. I love his music. I
love the soul that I can listen sit there and
listen to that genre of music, like all day. It's
(45:10):
on my playlist all the time. I would probably put Uh,
I probably would put Eddie on there. I would put
Eddie Vetter on there.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Just Eddie or Pearl Jam.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
I would put Pearl Jam on there. You know, I
love Ed and I love his voice, but I just
love Mike and Matt and I. You know those guys
their music and Chicago.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Did you know him.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
He's a big cups.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
Yeah. I actually gotta do it. Do a little fun
thing at Chelios's Jersey retirement. I got to get up
and sing that we did the band We did the Weight,
which was a.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Lot of fun, like the band song.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was great. So I put
I would put them and then uh, when you're saying,
I would put Chris Stapleton on there for cool. Yeah,
I think that's probably been my biggest bridge, like at once,
you know, not that once, but like as Garth you know,
got older and you know, still performs obviously, but and
then all of a sudden, Chris came in and I
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liked him, you know, even before he was Chris Stapleton,
like listening to you know, old stuff and and things
like that, and and then what he's blown up into
is and and still so humble, you know, from what
I see or hear or even when I witness when
he's at innings Fest, how he treats people and the
same way.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I was a fan of you back in Canada when
you were sixteen.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I was like, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I know I have got good Yeah, that's what I
always say. Like I knew Dempster when he was just
a kid, like but they were like, well you were
just a kid too.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
But I knew hey when I when I was at
Max over there at karaoke last night, and and and
the dude decided to sink Tennessee whiskey. I was full
blair and vocals, so I was ready to go. I
went Proud Mary last night.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You sang Proud Mary last night? Did you do the
Tina or that John Tina?
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah? It was the litro. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I would have loved to have a scene video A
big fan. And I know you're calling the game. I'm
playing now. Are you calling the game?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Tonight?
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Yeah? Super for this. It's gonna be a good time.
Are you Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm just worried because we we've been traveling around and
like we were at University of Arizona with the football
program yesterday and so you know, we made a little
came to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
We're gonna go up to University of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
But if I don't start, that's what I'm worried about,
like getting here, diverting our schedule, and then being on
the bench.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, like I'm scared of that. So it's a real thing.
It's a real thing, and you don't think it will be.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Like I remember years ago, I played in a celebrity
like a baseball player celebrity thing in Pump Springs and
I was pitching and then I went to the lineup
card and I wasn't hitting, and I went Lou Brock
was her manager, and I went into his office and
I'm like, you're really not gonna let me hit in
this softball game? And he goes, well, you're a pitcher,
and I go, I know my average isn't very good,
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but like and he goes, fine. I end up hitting
the tater. But I was like, you know, like thank you,
Like you can't bench me in.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
This So that's what I'm worried about. That I traveled
all this way.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm ready to play and then
I for some reason, there's you know, one of these
rappers is ahead of me. Yeah, and you know that
will be embarrassing for me. Yeah, so that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Okay, So who's you do? You know who your manager?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Don't know anything? Okay, I just know I know a
couple of people. I know Dion.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
We did a pilot for ABC together for the show
didn't get picked up. We worked with like four months.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I love Deon.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah, he's awesome and he might be he's one of
the coaches.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Oh he's coaching.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah, so now you got an end.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
If he's my coach, I'll be playing that leadoff let's go.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I thought it was weird because his foot, you know,
he was injured. Yeah, and they said he was coming.
I messaged him, but I don't know he was coaching. O. Yeah,
I hope he's my coach.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Feel better?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, if he's my coach, yeah, so no, but I've
never done this before.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
What's the tip? Because I can still play a little bit,
But what's what's the tip?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Yeah? Well, I think with the hitting is don't over
swing everybody because you know they want to They want
to hit it so hard and then you end up
rolling over popping it up and it's like and just
wait a little extra second for that ball to get there,
you know. But that definitely just yeah, just don't overswing
put the good word in for me. If I'm gonna
I'm gonna go over there.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
I'm going to say, hey, dude, that guy can still play.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah. I just saw him. He was taking ground balls
and yeah, Lobby, Yeah absolutely, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Thanks now, I really appreciate the time. Yeah, thanks you
for having moving for us, and we'll see you later
on tonight.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
You got it all right. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
We've been looking for players. The closest we've gotten is
we are. Driver said he dropped off King Griffy Junr
like two hours before he dropped us off.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
So that means he's here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, somewhere, King Griffy Junior is here, and that's awesome.
As we record this, it's Saturday, so the actual All
Star game doesn't starts till Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (49:34):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So none of the player's gonna because they're still playing game, correct,
which is kind of disappointing because I was looking for
like Bobby wit Junr.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
But but but some of the older players that aren't playing,
I haven't seen one of them. Well, man, I'm telling you,
Kevin and I may have seen someone in the gym.
We don't know an older player.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
No, uh uh, somebody playing the celebrity softball game. Just
say who it is? Why are you hiding it?
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Because because we're not sure if it was really him.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Okay, who did you think it might have been?
Speaker 5 (49:59):
Does Bryant?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
He was wearing a hoodie. He was working out, and
actually he was like in between reps, so he's just
sitting on the bench and then we were kind of
staring and then he looked up at us, and we're like,
ohh and then we looked out quick.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
But but he wasn't that tall, which I would assume
he would be tall. What do you say, wasn't that tall? Like, uh,
taller than you?
Speaker 4 (50:18):
I would say the guy was about six to one
taller than you. Yeah, by one inch, but.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
You're not five eleven, No, I'm six foot No. No,
how strong was he?
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Though?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
He was pretty fit, but he wasn't overly ripped, and
he kind of looked young.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Okay, des Bryant is six to two, so he's not.
Speaker 7 (50:37):
But here's where I'm a little confused, Eddie.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
He was sitting down.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, but no, no will while you
went to go do your other he turned away. He
stood out, that's all.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
I was like, when you're talking about his height, I
was like, wait, how do you know? Also, we were
sitting on the ab Gruncher his.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Place in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
There was a Michael Jordan old school cut out of
him from like a Weedi's box or something and had
his actual height and.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
He people remember that poster.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
He couldn't have been more than ten in the Wheaties box.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
So Eddie's like, look hout tall, I am.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
I was almost as tall as Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
So we haven't seen anyone yet. But we got here
last night. I went straight to sleep and you guys
went out.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
We did. Yeah, we went out to uh right next
to the hotels. It's just a bunch of like I
don't know. There's one area that where there's ten bars
in one area called Texas Live and Reading. Kevin wrote able, I.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Heard you guys went to the video game place. I
saw Red throw the ball. Yep was see the fastest arm? No,
Kevin was, how fast you throw it?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Seventy four?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Nice read. That's pretty good though for both of you.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
Yeah, went too bad.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You feel like you'd beat him?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I feel like I probably should have Are you
more of an athlete than Kevin.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
When it comes to baseball?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Probably?
Speaker 4 (51:52):
What d that's tough?
Speaker 7 (51:54):
No, you think you're a better You hit the side
of the thing. You didn't even hit the accuracy. You
couldn't even read your accuracy because you hit the side
of it.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
And I thought I was gonna hit my arm on it.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
Oh they were plastic balls, and it really was like squishy, can.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
You throw a knuckleball? Absolutely? Really?
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (52:11):
No, remember I brought that up and I took his
spotlight on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
I used to be able to throw Another thing?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Is our friends off all? Ricky's here and Reed did
not know his name and he's been hanging in with us.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
For like what did I just say?
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
No?
Speaker 4 (52:25):
I mean you didn't have a guess.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
I was Malvin, Yeah, No, it's it's Ricky.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I said, Jimmy, that's not the same name though, that's
rick Yeah, that's Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
A lot of people guess Charlie.
Speaker 8 (52:35):
With me.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Really, I get a little Charlie.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Uh So we were like, read what's his name is?
He said, hey, hey, doing Mike check And I was like,
why would you just hate him?
Speaker 5 (52:42):
What's his name?
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Staid?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Hanging out with us all day and he's like, I
don't know his name. I don't know his name, so
read this is Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Sorry, Ricky, Ricky, this is reed nice to meet you, Ricky.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I'm Eddie Softball.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Ricky works for the University of Texas, right officially? Or
do you work for BEVO?
Speaker 5 (53:00):
You work for both?
Speaker 4 (53:01):
You work for the Longhorn.
Speaker 8 (53:02):
Yeah, I'm you know, the Jerry Maguire of that longhornes
he's the agent.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
So you guys are now officially in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
That was a big date.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
We are.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
As we're almost two weeks in.
Speaker 8 (53:16):
He was looking at his watch, but because we get
the date on there, it's a it's a uh, it's
a time X.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
The Oklahoma Athletic Director called me and said, hey, would
you come and do like a show on the day
we go in the SEC. We want to do a
big announcement. I want to have welcome to the SEC.
You have a bunch of the kids out do a
free show. And I like the Athletic director of Oklahoma,
like I know him a little bit. His name is Joke, right,
Joe yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe c yeah, and so super
(53:43):
nice guy, and I was like, Joe, se I'm not
a O you fan. I do like oh You more
than Texas now because my wife.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But I was like, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
That's that's he's married and that's tough.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
But I'm not an O you fan.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And so I didn't want any part of welcoming oh
You or Texas to the sec as like, come along,
I'll be your guide as we talk you to. So
I'm happy you guys are here because now you get
to play like actual schedules.
Speaker 8 (54:10):
Well, I mean you ask me, you know a lot
of what we've were. It kind of sounds a lot
like the old Southwest Conference. I mean we played Arkansas
a whole bunch. We're talking about the long time technically.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
SMU and TCU.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
You get to leave all that behind. SMU's not even
in the conference. Wasn't the Big twelve anymore?
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, play Georgia like Alabama's schools, LSU, these schools were playing.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
They're not going to need an introduction. We're pretty familiar.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, hopefully you'd get matched up in a single bowl
game against one of them at the end of the year,
after you beat all the little patsis.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (54:46):
I mean, I think Texas A and M had a
hard time with those little pats's I didn't. They weren't
winning much in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, true, and then they paid their coach, timbo Fisher
one billion dollars and then you got to keep all
of it. Oh my god, I'm super excited that you
guys are coming, not to the SEC just because my
wife's I know you fan, and we get to be
in the same conference now and then.
Speaker 8 (55:07):
You're united in your horns downism.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
You know, you're just like sensitive about horns.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It's not it's.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Knowledgeable, doesn't even allow it.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
The only the only reason that it would ever bother me,
Like people have done it to me a million times.
You come and put it two inches from my face.
That's a little bit different story, like personal space.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Like the personal space. They were saying they were gonna
call penalties on teams for a game.
Speaker 8 (55:33):
But that's like if we did guns down Texas Tech,
same thing we got.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Yes it did.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
Mike Davis got a penalty for doing guns down in
love it don't question me you talking to.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
I would also like to say the reason I hate
Texas so much is because you guys are bigger and
better than us, and I agree with all of that.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I've often said that you guys have.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
More money, you're bigger, effect you've won, you know, more
champion how many championships you guys won.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Well, I mean it depends on how you count.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
But you know, for account, okay, so we've won.
Speaker 8 (56:03):
We're not counting like Alabama accounts, where it's like, oh,
we lost three games and then you know somebody else
is undefeatable recounted.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
You guys were our rival in the Southwest Conference. We
weren't really yours.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
We were just a team you didn't like because we
didn't like you.
Speaker 8 (56:18):
Now, I think the Texas Arkansas is A is a legitimate,
recognized rivalry to Longhorn fans like way more than Texas Tech,
way more than TCU.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
But not Oklahoma A and M. Right, you never want
to be somebody's third place. That's not that's not the
real rivalry, that's just somebody you don't like.
Speaker 8 (56:36):
Well, I think Oklahoma is our number one rivalry. I
would probably put A and M second, but there are
a lot of Longhorn fans that would put Arkansas right
there with Texas A and M. I mean they're typically older.
But I mean when we played all three years ago
or whatever it is, I have never seen more school
(56:59):
sponsored in my life.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
Like they were like they had a guy on at
the game. It's like, come on, let's see those horns down.
Like that's all. It wasn't. Everybody was.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
Everybody was seven in a uniform, uniform, and so they
charged the field and I'm like, we're trying to get
off the field and get out of there, and like
people are grabbing me and like saying all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
They go down there too.
Speaker 8 (57:27):
No, Beava wasn't there, but I was there, and I
think they thought I was a coach or something. They
had no idea who they were telling they were talking to.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
But like it was heated.
Speaker 8 (57:38):
It was heated, and quite honestly, the girls were more
aggressive than the guys. Interesting, oh yeah, oh yeah, what
do you think that was?
Speaker 5 (57:46):
Buzz?
Speaker 3 (57:48):
I don't know. It's so rantic at this point, like
an observation.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
I was sitting up in a suite taking it all in,
So you didn't storm the field was up to high,
was up to high.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
I'm happy that it's happening.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
I just wasn't gonna go be a part of Oklahoma's
Welcome to the SEC day, even though I enjoyed Joe
Ci and I like Oklahoma better the Texas, But Oklahoma
Texas rivalry feels very You're you're.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
On even term A and M. You guys kind of
look down at because they're like the little brother.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
I mean, they're They're a great school.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Letters on the name to even exist, well, they they
rarely use them.
Speaker 8 (58:21):
I mean they're the only school that I know that
you know, Michigan State don't do it, Florida State, don't
do it. You don't somebody calls themselves a Florida seminole,
like they say Texas Aggie's all the time, which is different.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
I mean, they're Texas A and M.
Speaker 8 (58:35):
But like I will say that their fans are as
passionate as any school in the country.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
I mean, we go play there. It is crazy loud.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
Do you expect to win the SEC this year?
Speaker 4 (58:46):
I expect to compete to win THEE.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
What would be in your mind a successful season record
wise eliminate the playoffer.
Speaker 8 (58:55):
I mean, I don't know how many wins and I
you know, I'm I would I would hope that we
would win ten games.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
But you know if you went only ten, is that
a success?
Speaker 4 (59:07):
I don't know. I mean, I'm in charge of Bevo,
you know the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Let me read, let me read.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
I love the answer.
Speaker 5 (59:15):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (59:15):
Let me read your schedule and you give me wins
and losses. This is no my gosh, you can do it,
because I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
I'm loving this right now. You're representing your school. I
know I go exactly exactly right. There's no pressure.
Speaker 8 (59:28):
I lost the we have no there isn't you tell
me we're playing the Patriots next week.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
I'm gonna be like, I don't like here, we go
give me winner loss?
Speaker 3 (59:37):
Ready?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Okay, twenty twenty four schedule, game number one, August thirty
first is the thing.
Speaker 8 (59:42):
Let's just go ahead and say there's You're not going
to catch me saying we're gonna lose it.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
It's just not every game, okay, you just we're twelve
and oh but realistically you're not going to go and
defeated when you're doing this right now, So you got
to pick some losses. I am not going to pick
a loss.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
There's no way at Texas in Austin. Where who Colorado State?
Speaker 2 (59:59):
At Texas in Austin will win. Okay, Texas at Michigan
on the Timber six win in Michigan. Wow, that's strong,
I'd agree.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
What does that mean? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Okay, U t s A at Texas win, Louise, How
do you guys play such weak games?
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
That's what we're talking about. It plays like Furman.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I mean, come on, Louisiana, Monroe at Texas win. Yeah, Mississippi,
State of Texas win. Bet the farm Texas the Oklahoma
and Dallas win.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Oh that's the boomer.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Sooner, Georgia at Texas win, Texas at Vanderbilt. When bet
the farm Florida at Texas win.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Come on, Ricky, you're not even playing the game because
there's no like. But but at least say it's going
to be a challenge.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Back to that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Texas at Arkansas, when Kentucky at Texas win, Texas and
Texas A and m win. Okay, so let's win Texas
versus the Chiefs. I like, well, okay, what do you
think will be the hardest game for you guys this year?
You'll obviously win.
Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Well, I mean I would think that everybody would think
the Georgia game is going to be the toughest game.
But we have to play at Arkansas, we have to
play at Texas A and M. That's gonna be tough.
Obviously playing the Sooners and Dallas is always tough, but
like going on the playing Arkansas and Texas A and
M on the road in the same year, that's tough.
I mean, that's gonna Those are going to be the
(01:01:25):
most hostile crowds.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
We faced all season, bar not.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I think the Arkansas game will be different this time
around than last time around.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
What's good, I mean, what's good for you guys too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
It's part of it's eleven am game as well, a
Fattville We're not Gonnan years drunk.
Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
Well, I mean I agree that, Like I'd rather play
Arkansas at eleven than seven pm.
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, you don't even have a team the cause team no, no,
you do Dallas Cowboys schedule at any Yes.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Dallas, and I love the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
But if you ask me Dallas Cowboys versus long words,
and we're like, man, if we get a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Of turnovers, I like, here we go, both of you
guys one.
Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
All right, now you can be honest? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Game one Cowboys at Browns win.
Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I'll take a win. Take the spread two.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Saints at Cowboy you don't even know the spread, whatever
it is. Saints at Cowboys. When Ravens at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Loss, be a close one. We might lose that one.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
No, min you gotta pick, we'll lose it.
Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You are two and one, okay, Cowboys at Giants win
when three and one, Cowboys at Steelers win win four
and one, Lions at Cowboys, Lions at Cowboys, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
When that'll be the win because I think they play
them again. Okay, I might say a loss on that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You're five and one right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
We do really well at home. We do really well
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Cowboys at forty nine Ers loss, five and two, Cowboys
at Falcons win, six and two, Eagles at cow Boys win.
Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Eagles yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
At Dallas when seven and twoccording to Eddie, so far
Texans at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Ooh at in Dallas. I'll take a win on that one.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Last win eight too, okay, Cowboys at Commanders when win
nine to two?
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
For readdy, Giants at Cowboys. When when Bengals at Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Loss probably a loss?
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Oh like ten and three, eleven and three. I forget
who we are.
Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
But I have one more. I have us losing one
more than.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Ten and three.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Okay, Cowboys at Panthers, When when Buccaneers at Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
When when Cowboys at Eagles lost loss to loss?
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And Commanders at Cowboys when we lost four?
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
So the Cowboys at thirteen and four and then.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I have I have them at twelve and five. Then
did I have five? I had five? Then I had
one more than Yeah, you have one more than me.
But around the same.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Would you pay Dak Ricky sixty million dollars because that's
going to be about what markets said that if he
is the new guy that's going to set the uh
set pace.
Speaker 8 (01:04:05):
My thought is on that that if you're not in
a place that you don't think you're going to compete
any anytime in the near future, then no, Like if.
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
You eleven twelve games a year, sure, okay, but like
every year.
Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
But the thing now, I'm not if this isn't anything
on deck. I'm just saying that, like if you think, okay,
if our window is closed theoretically after the season, I
don't think you go and blow all that money on
a quarterback that it's not gonna You're not gonna have
a team to get to the super Bowl. But if
they feel like that they are there, then you know,
(01:04:41):
if they maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Thirty one years old, he's still age wise in his prime.
But do you think Dak can win a couple of
playoff games?
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Gosh, just hard man, that's hard because he's alway is
it Dax's ball? They have it one player?
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Well, we always put it on him because he's the
one that cracks. He's the one that plays true. I
just I disagree.
Speaker 8 (01:05:05):
I think that we've been an undisciplined team like that
was a whole team, like that was an embarrassment that
went on Dak. That's talking about like the last season
and to be like, I don't you know, I kind
of feel like that when we were going into some
of those playoff games that it felt like we were
(01:05:25):
at a disadvantage. That it to me, it felt like
the other team was going to be more prepared, like
we were going to need a break or two to win.
It wasn't like it was kind of like playing the
Packers in the playoffs over the last decade where it
was like, oh gosh, you know, like just waiting for
Aaron Rodgers to go down the field and beat us.
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
At the end, you know, well thanks for Cowboy talking
said about, well, what we're literally a thousand steps away
from All Star.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
We can no, I know, but dude, it's so cool.
We were working out this morning and I can like
all I could see was Cowboys Stadium and I was like,
do you know what on this elliptical I'm working out
with the county with the cow We.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Drove by in a Parma complex and he was like,
I guess who lives there, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
It's right across from the stadium.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
All right, all right, that's it. We're done. I have
to stretch, get more arm loose.
Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yes, good luck.
Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Dudes.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I didn't realize that coach Prime, Yeah you don't.
Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
You don't call him Deon.
Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
You don't have that right. That's his name. You don't
have that right to call him. What are you talking about?
That's what the whole world call.
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
They call him coach Prime. Trust I don't wize it
was he was coaching. So I text him and I said,
are you around? And they said, I don't really know
what I'm doing because he lives here, so he's not
like singing at a hotel.
Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
And then I said, if you're coaching put me at first.
Me they just said not yet, okay, So that means
the bubbles.
Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
On and off.
Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
The bubbles are on and off like I think I did.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, and that says text unsent. God, dang uh. That's it.
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