October 6, 2024 • 45 mins
In this weekly series, we share highlight clips from the past week of some of the podcasts on The Nashville Podcast Network- Take This Personally with Morgan Huelsman, The BobbyCast, 4 Things with Amy Brown, Sore Losers, Movie Mike's Movie Podcast and Get Real with Caroline Hobby. You can listen to new episodes weekly wherever you get your podcasts.
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-The BobbyCast- @BobbyCast
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-4 Things with Amy Brown- @RadioAmy
-Sore Losers- @SoreLosersPodcast
-Movie Mikes Movie Podcast- @MikeDeestro
-Get Real: @GetRealCarolineHobby
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey guys, Sunday Sampler coming up four Things with Amy Brown,
The Sore Losers and Me with Stone Cold Steve Boston.
You're here a clip of that we're gonna start with
this week. On Take This Personally, Morgan talked with a
relationship coach about finding the right person for you and
how you know you're ready to date. She also had
Morgan number one on to talk about past relationships. Boy
does she have some stories. Okay, let's get started with
(00:30):
a clip from Take This Personally with Morgan Hulsman.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm giggling because this weekend, I'm joined by Morgan and
this is our take two, Take two and action. It's
back to my life. Experiences and everything that I have
been through have allowed me to be who I am today,
(01:16):
and who I am today is freaking awesome, and I'm
just really tired of people trying to take that away
from me. And I've had enough. That's where I'm at.
I'm like, I'm pretty chill, and I'm pretty fun and
you know, not crazy, Like I just kind of do
my thing and float and I just I let one
bad egg in once that really just sucked all of
(01:39):
that out of me. I mean, I was a shell
of myself and I was like, I cannot let this
happen again. You go through enough of that, and you know,
it's kind of like some of those memes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You protect your piece a little too.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Hard, and then you're you're laying on the couch watching
Pride and Prejudice and cooking chili and you're living your best.
But then you're also like, should I be maybe take
a stroll and meeting a human? We do, We do
need to work on that for you, because you do
need to get out there a little bit more. There
is a level of this, like yes, it will find
you and it's going to happen, but there is a
(02:10):
level of still work you.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Have to put in.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Part of me wants to set up Hinge and I'm
kind of over the Nashville dating scene, so I want
to set up hinge to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Where the area is.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Okay, hear me out is are you about to jail again?
Because but kind of closer to where I'm from. You
want to move back home. Look, I don't know that
I want to make back count. You moved out at
home for a reason, Okay, but damn like life changes,
you know, I want to be prior you can still
have your country life.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
You're in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, what I'm saying is, maybe I find a nice
West Tennessee boy. Can they be like just country in
general word? Does it have to be West Tennessee specifically? Well,
trying to figure out how narrow the search goes.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It can't be.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
It can't be.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Nashville like Alabama. Alabama's close, Okay, I mean I'm tucky. Listen,
Maybe I start with one area code at a time,
you know, and just see how it goes. But my
thought process is to go a little bit on the
outskirts of town or like people that you know, Okay,
and we can do that figure out if that's more successful.
(03:21):
I mean, part of dating is trying things, and at
this point you're not trying anything. So I'm gonna I've
already told you the country boys you date or match
with on the apps that are holding dead animals just
pushed them my direction.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
I did.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know What's funny is there was one guy I
matched with on a dating app and I knew I
wasn't gonna date him because he had all these honey
and he had liked me, and I was like, he's
good for workan though, and so I'm matchine with him,
literally poor guy, with the intent of saying, hey, I
have a friend for you, but I'm not gonna work.
Oh god, do not remember this? And I text you
and you guys texted for a brief moment or for
a split second. But I don't think the guy was
(03:55):
The hunting was there. There was a few things missing there,
but but I did try.
Speaker 9 (04:00):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You don't like a fishing photo when they're holding up
a dead fish or usually they're alive catch and release.
I don't mind the fish ones as much, but it
tends to follow with the dead deer and the my guy, sorry,
we can't even look at it. I have photos of deer.
I know you do, and I love that for you,
and I will not show them to you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, but you know that you know that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And this is why.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
In an apocalypse, that's what I see that man can't provide.
I need a man who's gonna go pick me some berries.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I want a man that can put meat on the
table and berries.
Speaker 10 (04:43):
Maybe this is why, Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
God, I want to end something to be fun, because
you're gonna be back on this podcast at some way, but.
Speaker 11 (04:51):
For now, I feel like we just are so off
the rails.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, but it's always great, Like we had a lot
of great moments there. But I an end on a
bad date story because I think our bad dates are funny.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, and I think they're great to share. So let's
end on a funny note.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I did once go on a date with a guy
we were supposed to. It was our second date. This
has been a long time ago now. It was our
second date. We were gonna go to a Sounds baseball
game and I was gonna meet him at is it
Von l Rods at barn or back downtown, but it
was going to be a group paying so my roommate
at the time, like a lot of her coworkers, were
going to the bar too. We were all gonna meet
(05:31):
at Von l Rod's as well as this guy that
I was going on a second date with. Me and
my roommate are going over together. We're a few minutes,
not super late, but just a few minutes behind the
main group, and I get a text from the guy.
He had made it to the bar a few minutes later,
maybe fifteen, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
We show up and he.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is already hitted off with a girl that's friends like
with my roommates, like grouped.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Yeah, and so we're all going.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
To be sitting in this same section together and they've
already hit it off, like exchange numbers. And when I
got there, one of the friends pulled me in the bathroom,
which I don't do the drama, like who cares? Like
they pulled me in the bathroom? You know, we have
to tell you something, girl, Da da da. I'm like, oh,
what happened? And they're like they were all but making
(06:19):
out at the bar before you walked in, and I
was like, oh, oh, okay, well, I feel like I'm
interrupting something. And oddly enough, the dude like switched up
and was attached to my hip for the rest of
the night and then told me he really enjoyed the
date and wanted to go out again after that, and
I was like, I think I'm good, Like you should
(06:41):
definitely reach out to let's call our Heather. Reach out
to Heather, like maybe it'll be a better fit.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You know, cause did you say that?
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (06:49):
Did he respond Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And they did end up going out, which again, like
all is fair in love and war if you're not
my person.
Speaker 13 (06:55):
But you found your other person at the bar.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was just it was just it's more shocking.
Speaker 12 (06:58):
Than he was like wanting to go out with me again.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was perplexed. He probably wanted to try, and you
know which is feel it out.
Speaker 12 (07:07):
With both of us.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Their casual dating isn't bad, but like in that city,
but it was an ick at that point, and I
was like, I look, no harm enough, oul, but I'm
gonna let you just navigate these waters solo.
Speaker 14 (07:26):
What do you do now that's fulfilling because for us,
like I see on social media holding the chicken and stuff,
like I see like you doing little things around here,
But like what now is exciting to you?
Speaker 15 (07:36):
You know?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Yeah, I do the chores around here. We live on
forty acres. We got hoares with chickens and a couple
of dogs, the cats. My wife mainly takes care of
all that stuff. Competitively, what I found lately is racing,
you know, side by sides, you know, utility vehicles. I've
been a brand ambassad for Kawasaki Motorsports is twenty fifteen,
(08:00):
the Mule division, the Workhorse brand, and then I was
filming the show last year that turned into a bomb,
but I got a chance to One of the producers
asked me, Hey, do you want to do a poker run?
And I said, what the fuck is a poker run?
Because I don't play cards.
Speaker 14 (08:15):
I was about to say the same question, you just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
So a poker run as it uh, you know, pertains
to side by side racing if you're going to run
a course and say I just got finish racing this
past weekend. Each lap was fifty five miles out in
the desert. So on that poker run, basically you're pre
running the course that you're going to run the next
(08:38):
day and race. So on your GPS you can mark
all the dangers, what kind of turns you got, where
you might need to check up things, adjustments you need
to make while you're driving. Now during that ride where
you're marking all your dangers there, you're getting cards as
you go. And so at the race drivers meeting the
(08:59):
next that later that day and we do hey, who
wanted to poker in? Who had the worst hand. It's
kind of entertainment. But that's how I found racing side
by sides, and I've been doing it for about a
year and a half and I've absolutely fallen in love
with it, and it's just so different from anything I've
ever done because I've been driving, you know, four by four,
(09:19):
you know full wheel drive stuff, four wheeler's done when
I lived in Georgia and the mud hunting and side
by sides, but just recreationally. And when you start racing
something and pushing the machine to its limits and pushing
yourself to your limits, which you don't know that you
have yet because you've never driven at one hundred percent,
it takes a while to learn how to do that.
(09:41):
So I equated with when I first started wrestling, I sucked,
and when I first started driving these things. I won't
say I sucked, but I had a lot to learn.
And the biggest mistake you making pro wrestling trying to
get is trying to do everything too fast and racing
the I tell you, And it didn't make sense to
(10:01):
me until I ran a few races. Uh. In order
to you know to drive fast, you must first learn
to drive slow. I mean like when you was born,
you started crawling right.
Speaker 14 (10:13):
No, I was actually balancing on one foot. I was
pretty I came out of the room amazing, I was.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Told, But you don't come out and just start running
that's true. Same thing, that's true, same thing with racing,
but graduating a little faster.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
So I don't understand the side by side. Do you
have a partner with you or is it as always
the same partner?
Speaker 8 (10:29):
Yeah. My co driver is a guy named Shane Kissman.
They owned the race team that I raced with when
I was filming that show. They got into contact with
these people and they ride Kawasaki like I do. And
because I won't get any and I won't get into
anything else. And so anyway, I did the poker run
with those guys and I had so much fun. We
were hauling ass out there, and I had so much fun.
(10:50):
I said, man, I've got to do some more of this.
And somehow, some way out of the blue, Shane called
me up and he said, hey, man, do you think
you'd really want to start racing side by side? And
I said, hell yeah. And so we built a car
and I started racing. And that's just by meeting people.
And they asked me if I wanted to start racing,
(11:10):
and I couldn't believe it took me this long to find.
You know, this mort that I found at fifty eight
last year, I was the Rookie of the Year in
the Federation. So I was a Rookie of the Year
when I started my wrestling career in nineteen ninety so
I think that's the oldest fucking rookie to ever win
that ward. And then you know I'm competing against You know,
(11:32):
there's people my age, but there's also people that are
half my age. I'm one of my art rivals last
year was a fourteen year old girl. She drive her
ass off. So you know, when you're born out there
and you get that DNA and you the menim kids
are fast. So it's fun, it's competitive. It gives me
something to do.
Speaker 16 (11:50):
Mister stone Cold, when you said co drivers call you.
Speaker 14 (11:53):
Mister stone Cold, that felt weird. I'm just gonna say that.
Speaker 10 (11:56):
I don't respect that, just wanted didn't want to disrespect.
Speaker 14 (11:58):
I think mister Austin would be more human, right, I
don't know why, mister what's the weirdest thing? Somebody not
to interrupt your question, like, what is the weirdest thing?
People would because I would never call you mister stone
call it, said mister Austiner.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
God thing. Mike Tyson used to always call me Cold Stone,
like motherfucker that's an ice cream shop. My name is
stone Cold, Steve Auston and out there to raise his money.
I go by Steve Austin. You know, I never you know,
if people, if someone calls me stone cold, I'll answer
to it, mister stone Cold, I'll damn sure answer to Yeah.
(12:31):
I've been living my life for a long time as
Steve Austin up little food.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
Life. Oh it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful, beautiful that
for a.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Little mouth.
Speaker 10 (13:11):
Said, he you're kicking with full with Amy Brown.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
I know you were thrown into the deep end with
a cancer diagnosis, but still that's new behavior for you.
So I'm just thinking of people listening right now that
are resonating with what you're saying. Maybe they're not reporters,
but they are grinding and they're in the moment and
they actually don't even have a cancer diagnosis to push
them towards this. And selfishly, I want to know too,
because I'm practicing living more in the moment. But the
(13:38):
way Chase describes you, I got to say your next level,
and I'm like, I need to have more fun.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I need to have more fun in my life.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
So since I have you dubbed in my mind as
like Queen of fun and being present with your people,
Like what's a baby step towards cultivating and creating that
in our lives so that we aren't just sucked into
the hamster wheel.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
So what I've tried to do.
Speaker 15 (14:00):
And by the way, I just want to say, it
took me about two years host the diagnosis to get
to a place where I felt safe enough to even
think about having a future. I know that sounds ma Cob,
but I was in a dark place and scared to
death about dying. And then you start realizing, you know,
don't die before you die, you have to actually live.
(14:23):
And I remember even I'm going to give Shannon Dohorty,
the late great Shannon Dohorty, who spoke to me right
after her stage four metastatic breast cancer diagnosis. She and
I were diagnosed almost about the same time, I think
really a year or two apart. Her cancer came back
and she directed me to a Charlie Brown Snoopy cartoon
where Charlie Brown says to Snoopy, you only live once, Snoopy,
(14:47):
and Snoopy says, you got it wrong. We only die once.
We live every day and it was just through some
of these, I think other people's stories that actually got
me to wake up and realize, wait a minut in it,
You're still here, so what are you doing with your
life right now?
Speaker 12 (15:04):
And for the baby step.
Speaker 15 (15:06):
Every time a negative thought pops in my head, which
is often, I'm annoyed by someone in front of me,
I'm annoyed by a slow walker on the streets of
New York City, I'm annoyed that I'm stuck in traffic,
whatever it is. And I started thinking like, wait a minute,
I'm alive, I'm greathing, I'm here.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
How can I enjoy this moment?
Speaker 15 (15:24):
And I really looked to greater teachers than me, people
like Michael Singer or Eckhart Tole.
Speaker 12 (15:31):
I try to remind myself of this.
Speaker 15 (15:32):
There are three states of being if you want to
actually have a good life. The lowest stage should be acceptance.
So whatever's happening, you get a flat tire, someone.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
Upsets you, accept it. That should be your lowest state.
Speaker 15 (15:46):
The second state should be enjoyment, right, just figure out
how a way to enjoy it, laugh at something, find
something funny.
Speaker 12 (15:53):
In the mess.
Speaker 15 (15:54):
And the third and highest in the state of being
that I always strive for is absolute enthusiasm. So how
can you take that enjoyment and actually have something to
look forward to? So I always try to enjoy where
I am, but have something to look forward to and
find some humor in the mess. But I have to
remind myself of this constantly, but I really try to
make it a priority.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Yeah, it sounds like it's been a journey for you,
and probably back in twenty thirteen you didn't You didn't
have these three tools, you didn't have at gartolet or
maybe you had already read maybe The Power of Now
at that.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Point, but nope, I had done it.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
No soul here, and that's one you can either read
or listen to multiple times and still try to continue
to comprehend. It's good stuff, for sure. But if you
go back to twenty and thirteen and you know where
you were in your career and like thinking stuff like
this is not going to happen to me. I mean
you were at a different stage in your career for sure,
but I would imagine doing a live mammogram you thought, oh,
(16:51):
this is just going to be good for awareness and
nothing's going to come back. So what was it like
for you getting that phone call and the and what
did you think of your role as a public figure
having to navigate this, Like did you know right away, well,
here we are and I'm going to share it all.
Or did you feel like, uh, this is something I
(17:11):
don't know that I can share with the world.
Speaker 15 (17:13):
Well, obviously it's incredibly personal when it's happening. And I
will back up a little bit with where I was
in my career. I think it's funny from the outside
looking in, you think, oh, look where she was Good
Morning America. But I had just left NBC News and
it wasn't something that I wanted to do necessarily. I
found myself in a new network, very scared, needing to
(17:34):
prove myself, feeling like I took a step backwards instead
of a step forwards, and really questioning my career and
where I was and all of those things. So I
was in that place when I was asked to do
this live mammogram in the middle of Times Square, and
I had no actual personal intention of going to get
(17:54):
a mammogram at forty So I had always prided myself
on authenticity as a reporter, and so we actually went
into Robin Roberts, who is a breast cancer survivor and Thriver,
and I said, hey, look, they want me to do
this mammogram and this Mamma Van and I just don't
think I'm the right person. I have no family history.
My mom's one of nine, my dad's one of six
Midwestern Catholic families. No one has breast cancer. I can't
(18:17):
even count how many female cousins I have. No one
has breast cancer. I just feel like I'm not the
right person for this. And she looked at me and said,
you're the perfect person for this because you think cancer
can't happen to you. And what I'm saying is, I'm
sure you're fine, but you're going to convince one other
woman who doesn't think she needs to have a mammogram
to go and make her appointment, and she's going to
(18:38):
find her cancer early, and you're going to save her life.
Speaker 12 (18:41):
And so that is what convinced me.
Speaker 15 (18:43):
I did it thinking I was being of service, thinking
I was being altruistic, and I didn't realize obviously that
the first life I saved was my own.
Speaker 12 (18:52):
And I had.
Speaker 15 (18:53):
Sat there in that room and telling Robin I had
no connection to the disease, all the while I had
two malignant tumors. Canser had already spread to my lymph notes,
and I felt perfectly healthy and fine. But once I
made the decision to go into the Mamma Van and
the mammogram, when I found my cancer a few weeks later,
when it was diagnosed, I went into hiding for a
few days, and I talked to Robin, and I talked
(19:14):
to my really good friend Hotocopy, who was also a
breast cancer survivor over at the Today Show, and she
and I had shared a dressing room for a full
year together right after she had gone through it. And
I talked to them about it, and I just felt
like it wasn't even a choice for me at that point.
If my intention going into that Mamma Van was to
get women to get their mammograms, I knew the power
of me saying, hey, guess what, that Mamma Van. That
(19:37):
imaging just led to my breast cancer diagnosis, and now
I have the unbelievable gift of knowing I have it
and being able to treat it because it's still early stage.
And yes I had to go through chemo, and yes
I had to go through several surgeries and yes, I
had almost a decade of medicine and meds that don't
(19:59):
make you feel great. Guess what, I'm here and I'm alive,
and I'm alive because of that. And so it was
a non starter for me not to make it public
because I knew it would save lives.
Speaker 17 (20:09):
We're gonna do it live we Oh, the one, two,
three Sore Losers?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most
about sports, so I'll give you the sports facts, my
sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'all.
It's Sison. I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male.
Speaker 17 (20:28):
I live on the North side of Nashville with Bayser,
my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful, a
lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully
soon corn pumpkins, rye. I believe maybe a little fescue
to be determined.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Over to you, coach, And here's a clip from this
week's episode of The Sore Losers. Oh, there is no
hours posted, so you just kind of make it up.
So it seems like the whole airport just shuts down
at seven pm, which is crazy to me, Like if
I flew into New York if I whatever, what's a
big Laguardian lug Wardia? Is that closing at seven o'clock?
(21:06):
Or do they have stuff open all night? Atlanta that's
one of the bigger airports. Hi there, I'm headed to
Lower Manhattan. Can you tell me that all the restaurants
just close up at seven pm? Oh my god? How
much money are you missing out on?
Speaker 17 (21:19):
What you're not realizing is every business does that unless
mom and pop are working there, or the manager's on staff,
or it's a bustling restaurant that basically has to stay
open if not later than their hours posted.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
Think about this.
Speaker 17 (21:32):
The telephone telecommunications industry when I used to it, right,
when I used to work in groundy communications, I sold telephone,
computer and internet, telephone, internet and cable TV. Dude, when
it was eight forty five, all you gotta do tap
the old uh hang up button. Then it looks like
you're busy. You just do it a little bit. Nobody
(21:53):
really called after eight thirty, So once you started creepingto
eight fifty eight fifty five, you would get busted if
you just held it because it shows it, that shows
records of it. But it doesn't show records if you
just tap it, so there's no there. Our managers would
check out seven forty five. They want to go be
with their family, So eight hits you kind of gotta
still be studious.
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Eight thirty start thinking about it.
Speaker 17 (22:14):
Eight forty so if somebody had called and you tap
it, it busys it, so then it gives it to somebody
else in the call center. But when everybody's doing that,
the callers could be like, oh my, like why are
your foe? They could have complained and been like, why
are your phone's busy? But you start getting closer to nine,
and everybody's just kind of doing it, pushing the phone
around the phone's lines. Do you get away with it?
(22:34):
Because then you're like, then the caller's like a fit,
you know what. They're all busiest near nine. It makes
sense if we'd have done that at six, our manager
would have found out and there would have been audits
and records of us making phone lines busy.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
At six. Eight fifty five, the caller just kind of
gets it. Everybody's heading home. I guess I should have
understood that because when I flew out of Nashville, my
flight left at six pm, right and I was leaving
my house and it usually takes about twenty minutes to
get to the airport. Well, don't give your exact address,
and so my wife was like, you better get going.
I'm like, no, it only takes twenty minutes. So I
(23:08):
was like, I'll leave at four thirties. Since the flight
leaves at six, I'll get there at five. I'll have
an hour, I'll grab something neat cool. I get the
car at four thirty and I type it let me
see what they're saying, forty five minutes to the airport
the worst. And I'm like, oh my god, okay, cool, cool.
So I'm taking all these back roads, like it's taking
(23:29):
me on back roads. I'm not even on the highway.
And I called my dad and I'm like, hey, man,
just letting you making sure you're gonna pick me up.
He's like, you're already at the airport. I was like no.
It says I'm gonna arrive at five twenty and my
flight leaves at six. He's like, oh my god, thank goodness,
Rai's not with you. Kid.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Cut through Terrytown. You're gonna want to go on one
of those little shortcuts to Mopak that'll take you all
the way home to the birds. You are now free
to fly without the country.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
And so I'm pulling into the airport, and yes, I'd
be fucking freaking out. He was like, And I'm sitting
there on the highway. Find that get on the highway
where it tells me to. And I'm like, man, this
traffic is bad. Now. It says I'm gonna get there
at five twenty two. It says boarding is it five
twenty And I'm like, oh my gosh. So I am
sitting there and I pull into the parking lot. He's
about to pull in. I pull up to the Nashville
(24:19):
Airport at five twenty three pm. Wait, I thought we
were stilling on.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
No.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
No, I should have known that the Austin Airport closes
at seven because of this.
Speaker 17 (24:27):
Oh, I had trouble with your story. I know, okay, kid,
So I disregard Terrytown. You're actually gonna go kid on
sixty five twenty four cutover to Knoxville and they're up there.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
So I may have kid those directions in Nashville. Kid,
I know my directions everywhere, so he's finding the major arteries.
I parked the car in the lot. No shuttle at
what time? Five point twenty three? Noted because I wasn't
about to park, and the cover parking because it was
forty five dollars a day. I was like, I ain't
(25:00):
paying that. There's no way that ain't that much. But okay,
I looked it up on my phone. It's thirty three.
Speaker 17 (25:05):
No, yeah, well could I park there for five days before?
Speaker 10 (25:09):
And anyway? So I'm just sitting there waiting for the shuttle.
Shut shuttle rolls up at five twenty seven and I'm like,
all right, we gotta go, we gotta go. He's like,
what airline? I said, just get me to the I
don't care what airline. I just first stop, I'm jumping off,
like I don't care Frontier because I'm not checking a bag,
So I don't care what airline I get off. I
just need to get in the doors and get their security.
(25:30):
Oh here you are. You're all set at Qatar air,
but not that one. Go a couple more days. Yeah, yeah,
we're not doing that, airline sorr. Yeah, yeah, we're not
going to caught arm Yeah you're all down, free to
fly to Dubai what I was kidding and go farther
and so I'm on the shuttle and we pull up
to one shuttle stop. No one's there. Cool. Next one,
there is a guy walking from half a row down
like just I mean, just taking his damn time.
Speaker 17 (25:54):
Either you're out that door waving him in, or you're
telling the driver slipping him a one and say keep going.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
Pop. The bus driver opens the door and the guy
just acts like we're not waiting on him. He just
kind of oh, no, looking up at the clouds cause
it's looking like it's about to rain. And I'm like,
would you get on this bus already?
Speaker 17 (26:13):
Dude, that's like a rapid type situation. Usually you're not
gonna see somebody walking towards it.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
I mean, he didn't even oh, you're waiting for me?
Like here, I'll kind of hustle up.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
No.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Then he opens his backpack before he gets on to
make sure he still has his keys. You're all good man.
I'm like, all right, get on the bus. You need
a phone charger. I got you, So we get it.
He gets on the bus and we're driving. I'm like, hey, yeah,
we're headed for the exit. There's no one up. Someone
walks up to the next stop, so we got to
stop and the guy gets on and he knows the
guy that takes forever and he's like, oh man, I
thought we had another hour. He goes, No, he goes,
I mean we still got an hour and twenty to
(26:43):
our flight. Flight leaves, we'll have time to get something
to eat. And I'm like, I have twenty one minutes
until my flight leaves. No, thirty one minutes because it's
five twenty nine at this point, Oh timeline, what was
I thinking? My flight leaves at six, And I'm like,
oh my god. So we pull up to the airport
and the guy is like, not stop it, and I'm like,
I just stand up, and he goes, you want off here.
I'm like, yeah, that's good. You jumped wall the busy
(27:05):
believe he wasn't even no, he wasn't even go to
the curb. He was in the second lane. He was
in the second lane and I got out, so he
was not even at the curb when I got off
the damn bus. And I went in and I get
to the freaking checkpoint. It is now when I get
through security, it is five forty one, and I'm like okay,
(27:31):
and I'm like and it says boarding was at five twenty.
So I'm like, they're fully boarded, and I'm all the
way at the very back of the damn airport. Never
gonna be at the front, can never be the first game.
Speaker 17 (27:41):
It's the newly designed airport. Now it's spider webs and
it's compremental to Atlantas.
Speaker 10 (27:46):
I was thinking, I'm gonna get dinner when I get
to the National Airport, get on the plane, will be good,
I'll won't be hungry, and I am sprinting through the
airport to my flight.
Speaker 17 (28:00):
Always wanted to do it, but you get the chance
to actually do it.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
I've done it numerous times because I like to really.
Oh man, I'm I like to push it with the
airport because I don't like to be sitting at an
airport for two hours. Dude.
Speaker 17 (28:13):
Even Baser she thought we were gonna have to run
at the Atlanta Airport from kan Kun because we had
a connector in forty five minutes.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
It was right next door. We walked two gates down.
Speaker 17 (28:23):
I wanted to I was prepared to run, and I
still didn't get the opportunity.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
And I run, run, run. I'm like, man, I gotta
fill up my water. I'm dying I'm so thirsty. I'm sweating.
Speaker 17 (28:34):
Yeah, how's it going, brother, I wasn't out there doing
an air traffic controller. Man, get in there, fill.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
Up your water bottle. So I'm there at the little
the water fountain filling up my water bottle. And it
tells me by filling up my water bottle, I was
number We've saved three hundred and sixty five twenty six
plastic bottles from going to the landfill. And I get
it about a quarter of the way up and over
the announcement, they say, if you're on a flight number
(28:58):
one one sixty two heading to Austin, we have fully
bullet boarded the aircraft. If you are holding a ticket,
this is your last call to arrive at the gate.
And I'm like, all right, here we go, and I say,
screw filling up the rounds of the water bone. I
sprint to the plane. Heave the turtles on your own,
and I'm the last one on that damplane. Makes sense.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Hey, it's Mike d And This week on Movie Mike's
Movie Podcast, I sat down with director Carrie Belessa and
his wife and producer Summer Blessa to talk about their
new movie Amberlert why it took ten years to make,
how they manage marriage in the industry, and how they
turned a parent's worst nightmare into a story that they
hope starts a conversation.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
So I want to share a little bit of this
with you.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Now, be sure to check out this full interview on
Movie Mike's movie podcast. But let's get to the interview now.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I feel like a lot of being a filmmaker, being
an artists is observing the world around you. I feel
like that's really the thing that defines like somebody who's
actually going to follow through with it is you observe
it also write it down and then execute it. Like
you've been talking about the filmmaking process, just like the
inspiration of this movie it came from seeing the Ambulla
and thinking, WHOA that should be a movie. Are you
(30:19):
constantly observing things and writing things down? Because the other day,
like I was on a flight and I sat down
on the exit rode and they're like, hey, if you
know something to do, that whole thing off something goes wrong,
like are you willing to help? And I just you know,
willing to say ah yeah, thinking in that moment of
like what if I actually had something actually went down
and I was put in that situation of I actually
(30:41):
have to do something now, and I was like, hey,
that could be something. Are you constantly observing things like that?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
I made it.
Speaker 16 (30:47):
I definitely Yeah, truth there's a lot more interesting than fiction.
Just reading the news. I mean I have a whole
little book plet of news art Culsetter just freezing for
me personally. I like saying that you possible, we happen
and then are real.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
How about you?
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Oh, I mean I feel like I kind of going
more in the fantasy or the romance from Calm World
burns less.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
I mean, it's still human nature.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's still based on you know, relationships, but maybe the
less less news.
Speaker 16 (31:18):
Driven or reality or probably like observing it seeing things
and like oh that might have to be all film,
But like what you're talking about is like it's like
some type of little scene there or set up.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
You know, you just got to write it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, gotta deal with the next step.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
As a filmmaker. What would be my next step on
that idea? Is it writing a title, writing a synopsis?
What is that when you sit down to like you
just had this idea, what is that next step to
flesh out a script.
Speaker 16 (31:43):
You just need to put in the paper like everything.
I mean that that's the hardest thing, is just getting
and even if you don't have the entire film down,
or you just might have a scene, write the scene,
you know, if you have a first act, right, the
first act, I just think and it's still difficult to
like sit down, you know, a blank piece of paper.
(32:05):
It can be so overwhelming and so but it's it's
just putn't in the work.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, no one will make a film of just an idea.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
So you need to have eventually it plushed out into
a full script and then you can share it and
have people give you insight and hopefully up people who
are like, yeah, I see the vision too, let's go
think it.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
That leaves me to my final two questions. We're sitting
here the night before the premiere here in Nashville. Are
you feeling the overwhelming joy of it finally being out
after ten years or are you feeling nervous about people
are going to react to it this week? Because I know,
as somebody who deals with reading the comments, reading getting
all the messages, I don't see the ones they say, hey,
(32:51):
and that was a great episode you did. That was
a great interview. I see the ones they say this sucks,
like why did you put this hell? Like you used
to feel terrible.
Speaker 16 (32:58):
The positive things and some ding Dong says you suck, Yeah,
and you just focus.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We feal it so hard. Yeah, it's definitely human nature.
Speaker 16 (33:07):
I mean, I think now, being the old wise man
that I am, that I don't read comments. I read
comments and before I remember specifically a long time ago,
and like the comments made me feel like I was
like the grade I was Spielberg.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
You know, some of these people are like this so bazy.
Speaker 16 (33:28):
I don't ever read comments.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You take it with the great to take with a
grain of salt, Like.
Speaker 16 (33:32):
I love what we do, and I love this path
that we've chosen his career, but I just love so
many other things in life that bring me joy that
no one's going to take us down over some comments
that you're not doing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, you're not going to make everybody happy with every film.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Yeah, you know, there's films that we love that changed
our lives that some people don't like. At the end
of the day, that's we just want to make something
that's entertaining, to make it people thinking and talking.
Speaker 16 (34:00):
And we're like risk takers and gamblers. I'd rather you
absolutely hate my film and talk about it and be
so passionate about your disdain instead of just making something
that they're like, uh, it's okay, Like it was like forgettable.
But yeah, we're we're excited to just get it out
there and hear what people think and their response. And
(34:23):
we're very confident in the film too. We think it's
a great film. The feedback's been really good, and I.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Think people are really going to enjoy seeing Hayden and
Tyler and the.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Aah yeah it's Tyler, Like I've really never seen it,
Like I've been watching one avid Elementary and it's like, oh,
this is a totally different side of it.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (34:38):
Yeah, he's a killer, Like he is just so locked in.
It's so good, so insightful. At Hayden too, like they
were just like we're the perfect people at the right
time to have this, you know.
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Yeah, they both brought such humanity to the roles and
personality and it was really really fun to work with
them and see what, you know, their perspectives on their
characters and they s brought so much.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
And my final question is why Louisville Kentucky. I'll give
you why I think you picked it. After watching the movie,
I feel like that city which I've been to, I
love Louisville. It makes it feel so much more real,
Like you could happen to anybody if you said this
movie in LA, it would feel like, oh, it's just
another movie in LA where crazy things happen all the time,
(35:25):
or in New York. But for me, like just seeing them,
like at the beginning, they just had a random park
and that's where it happens. Is that the reason why
it's in Louisville or is it just I just want
to say Louisville, Kentucky is awesome, great people.
Speaker 16 (35:38):
Our crew was like we missed those those people they
were so awesome and just like genuine down the earth
and they kind of knew our story like that we've
been hustling for ten years, that we were gonna make it,
that we were no one's gonna let us, and they
just like got behind us like family and really helped
us make an amazing film.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
As the producer, I will say was because of there
was a few different places that have great test incentives
that we were debating over, and I think exactly what
you said, though, is you know, one of the strengths
of the Snow is that it could be anywhere except
maybe La but in general, like this happens all over
the country.
Speaker 16 (36:18):
And it was originally written in Phoenix, Arizona because the
Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the country.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, we wanted to make sure it didn't feel like.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
It could be anybody.
Speaker 16 (36:29):
Yes, so we just kind of tweaked it a little
and it was couldn't. I couldn't imagine anywhere else now,
And I love that the lushness, the beautiful degree, Like
I mean, I do want to fight a lot with
the rain. Then we had to day. We didn't shoot
for a whole morning because of rain that you know,
it was. It was some challenges, but it worked out,
(36:50):
worked out.
Speaker 17 (37:00):
Cary Line, she's a queen and talking and so she's
getting really not afraid to feel its episode or soul.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Just let it blow.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
No one can do we quiet.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Cary Line is sober care Line.
Speaker 18 (37:19):
Because I did not think I was codependent, because I
was so capable exactly. Yeah, And I've done so many
big things and I'm not scared to take risks.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know, right, But you like everyone else didn't understand
the vast expansion that is codependency and the particular flavor
of your codependency. It was the same as my codependency,
which is why I named a new kind of codependency,
calling it high functioning, because you were like all of
my therapy clients who anytime I would bring up that's
(37:49):
a codependent pattern, they'd be like, no, it's not, lady,
I'm not codependent. Everyone's dependent on me. I'm the one
making all the dough. I'm the one who's the rock
in my family. I'm the one managing all the peeople.
What are you talking about? And it made me realize, Wow,
my highly capable clients do not know what godependency is.
Speaker 13 (38:08):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I won't tell you. According to Terry.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Cole, which is a good one to accord to, that's.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Ru I'm saying is when you are overly invested in
the feeling states, the outcomes, situations, circumstances, relationships of the
people in your life to the detriment of your own
internal peace.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
That's a big one.
Speaker 18 (38:28):
Okay, So like those are some big words just through
out there, but like really, when you break it down,
like if you're feeling sick in your stomach because you're
so worried about everyone in your life that their outcomes
aren't going.
Speaker 13 (38:37):
To be what you need them to be.
Speaker 18 (38:39):
And that's what you said, The outcomes need to be
the way I need them to be so I can relax. Like,
I can't have them messing up how I need it
to go, or having them have construction or have them
not being happy or have them being.
Speaker 13 (38:51):
Mad at me, because then I'm not going to be
able to have peace.
Speaker 18 (38:54):
So I have to go control them to make sure
that I give them everything I can with my people,
pleasing personality, read their energy, like feel the room, make
sure they get what they need so they can be happy,
and then I can be like, Okay, I can relax.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
So you see how that's a short term strategy.
Speaker 13 (39:10):
I lived in that way for like my whole life.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Right, But you understand you can't keep going, which is
why you were searching around the.
Speaker 13 (39:15):
World having to pray down.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, because literally there's only so much bandwidth that we
can bleed in that way, especially once you become a mother,
especially because once you hit perimenopause or menopause, like you
just get so over all of this bandwidth bleeding, and
what I see in my therapy practice is that it
makes us resentful because we're doing it. We are proactively
(39:41):
inserting ourselves. Right, So what are let's talk about the
behaviors because I feel like let's get really clear for
people who are watching and listening to be able to
see themselves. If you are a high functioning codependent, I mean,
let's just be specific about the differences. Right, The more
capable you are, the less codependency, because like codependency, sneak
(40:01):
heer you are, but it's still codependency.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
You're extra sneaky and acting not codependent.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
That's right, You're really good at it. But actually people
perceive you as not codependent because you're.
Speaker 13 (40:09):
So capable, probably like running some company, you.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Are, and nobody is checking in on you either, because
we're the ones who are checking in on all the
other people, right. Right, So with codependency, people think my
clients were like, I'm not enabling an alcoholic. What are
you talking about? As if that is the only way
codependency can be expressed, Like.
Speaker 18 (40:31):
Ause, if you let someone carry on a toxic behavior
that you're very aware of, like drinking or drinks.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I mean, when you think about codependency. This is how codependency,
melody baity, codependent no More, got to be involved with
an addict. This is what a lot of my the
myths that my clients thought were true about codependency. So
they didn't see themselves in the problem. So for me,
I needed to create it so they could see themselves,
because how could we get to a solution if they
(40:56):
didn't even see themselves in the problem. And you know, Caroline,
it was also my own personal experiences, so this wasn't
just me sort of changing this definition. It's me expanding
the definition because it was the flavor of my own
young life codependency where you're not just codependent with the
(41:21):
people in your life, you could be codependent. I mean
I opened the book with a story of me being
on a platform in Long Island, a train platform at
ten thirty at night on a Tuesday, and I see
this kid he's probably about nineteen and I'm probably about
twenty two, and he's holding a little blanket and I'm like, hmm,
my helper radar is already pinging, like where's this young
kid going? At ten thirty at night? And I was
(41:43):
going back to my apartment. I was coming from therapy,
and so I started chatting him up on the train
and I was like, ohere are you going? He says, Oh,
my name is Billy blah blah blah. He's like, I
was hired to drive a car from Long Island to
Indiana and then they just canceled the gig. So I go,
so where are you going? It's like I'm going to
I'm going to, you know, Penn Station. I go, where
are you going to sleep? He's like Pound Station. I
(42:05):
was like, no, you're not doing Have you ever been
to Penn State team on? There's the late eighties? The
city was rough still. I was like, have you ever
been to Pend Station? Dude, you can't sleep there. He's like, well,
I don't know anybody in New York. I'm like, yeah,
you do? You know me?
Speaker 13 (42:17):
You let him up stay with you?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yes? I did. I took a perfect stranger that I
knew for exactly one hour, brought him to my apartment
with my female roommate, and it was a studio.
Speaker 13 (42:28):
You did it all? How did it pan out?
Speaker 8 (42:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Fine? Of course? I mean he left without incident the
next day. And the point is, you guys, watching and
listening to you you may not have done that extreme,
but we all have Billy's stories, which is where we
feel overly responsible for people we don't even ef and
know why is that because it's an illusion of control. Right,
here's the illusion. I couldn't stand the idea that this boy,
(42:52):
in my mind, which is ironic because I was probably
three years older than him, was going to be in
what I considered a dangerous or precarious situation. And we
are the helpers, the healers, we're the ones. We're the ones.
We can't let it slip through the crack, even someone
we don't know. And here's the thing. I didn't stop
and think and go, hmmm, does that make sense? Is
(43:13):
this even my shit to solve? Like is this even
my problem? It was a knee jerk reaction. So the
thing with high function codependency in these And I'm going
to go through the behaviors so people can get into
it and understand if it's them we're talking about. These
are things we're sort of doing compulsively, like I'm not thinking.
I wasn't thinking before through not at all, and it
(43:36):
never entered my mind. It wasn't the right thing to
do though, I mean till way later, even when I
came home.
Speaker 13 (43:42):
Reached yourself out way later, way later.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Well, of course once I started, once I had kids,
I was like, that was insane. Why would you do that?
So the behaviors we want to look out for auto
advice giving.
Speaker 18 (43:55):
Okay, I'm not kind of explain that a little bit.
So always got the right answer always here. Because another thing,
and I'm not trying to diverge, just want to make
sure I say this is when you are a high
functioning codependent, you are so afraid of that other person's
cookie crumbling and their life falling apart. But what you
don't know is like that is so self righteous of
you to think that you know it's best for them,
(44:15):
and that them falling apart isn't exactly what they needed.
So they could hit that level and actually gain the
lessons they need and go on the journey they need
that they wouldn't have done if.
Speaker 13 (44:25):
They hadn't hit that level. I think about that all
the time.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yes, but it takes so long to get to that
because here's the thing.
Speaker 13 (44:31):
So then you have to let people be.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
That's the thing. We have to let the chips fall
where they may when they're not your mother, f and chips.
But that's the hard that's the hard part. So the
auto advice giving this can look like two things. It
can look like someone coming to you and just saying, oh, hey,
I decided I'm going to go here for vacation. You
being like, oh, make sure you stop there as well.
This place was amazing. You're going to love that. I
know people, I actually have a great real estate, but
(44:55):
like I have a great travel agent for you. I
where we just can't stop. That's someone who hasn't even
asked us for our input. They literally just said I'm
going on vacation. We were like planning their right itinerary.
So there's that and many of the people who come
to you because you are a healer and a helper
and a fixer.
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Hey, thanks for listening.
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Speaker 14 (45:37):
We always appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Thank you and have a great week.
Hey guys, Sunday Sampler coming up four Things with Amy Brown,
The Sore Losers and Me with Stone Cold Steve Boston.
You're here a clip of that we're gonna start with
this week. On Take This Personally, Morgan talked with a
relationship coach about finding the right person for you and
how you know you're ready to date. She also had
Morgan number one on to talk about past relationships. Boy
does she have some stories. Okay, let's get started with
(00:30):
a clip from Take This Personally with Morgan Hulsman.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm giggling because this weekend, I'm joined by Morgan and
this is our take two, Take two and action. It's
back to my life. Experiences and everything that I have
been through have allowed me to be who I am today,
(01:16):
and who I am today is freaking awesome, and I'm
just really tired of people trying to take that away
from me. And I've had enough. That's where I'm at.
I'm like, I'm pretty chill, and I'm pretty fun and
you know, not crazy, Like I just kind of do
my thing and float and I just I let one
bad egg in once that really just sucked all of
(01:39):
that out of me. I mean, I was a shell
of myself and I was like, I cannot let this
happen again. You go through enough of that, and you know,
it's kind of like some of those memes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You protect your piece a little too.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Hard, and then you're you're laying on the couch watching
Pride and Prejudice and cooking chili and you're living your best.
But then you're also like, should I be maybe take
a stroll and meeting a human? We do, We do
need to work on that for you, because you do
need to get out there a little bit more. There
is a level of this, like yes, it will find
you and it's going to happen, but there is a
(02:10):
level of still work you.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Have to put in.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Part of me wants to set up Hinge and I'm
kind of over the Nashville dating scene, so I want
to set up hinge to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Where the area is.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Okay, hear me out is are you about to jail again?
Because but kind of closer to where I'm from. You
want to move back home. Look, I don't know that
I want to make back count. You moved out at
home for a reason, Okay, but damn like life changes,
you know, I want to be prior you can still
have your country life.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
You're in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, what I'm saying is, maybe I find a nice
West Tennessee boy. Can they be like just country in
general word? Does it have to be West Tennessee specifically? Well,
trying to figure out how narrow the search goes.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It can't be.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
It can't be.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Nashville like Alabama. Alabama's close, Okay, I mean I'm tucky. Listen,
Maybe I start with one area code at a time,
you know, and just see how it goes. But my
thought process is to go a little bit on the
outskirts of town or like people that you know, Okay,
and we can do that figure out if that's more successful.
(03:21):
I mean, part of dating is trying things, and at
this point you're not trying anything. So I'm gonna I've
already told you the country boys you date or match
with on the apps that are holding dead animals just
pushed them my direction.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
I did.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know What's funny is there was one guy I
matched with on a dating app and I knew I
wasn't gonna date him because he had all these honey
and he had liked me, and I was like, he's
good for workan though, and so I'm matchine with him,
literally poor guy, with the intent of saying, hey, I
have a friend for you, but I'm not gonna work.
Oh god, do not remember this? And I text you
and you guys texted for a brief moment or for
a split second. But I don't think the guy was
(03:55):
The hunting was there. There was a few things missing there,
but but I did try.
Speaker 9 (04:00):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You don't like a fishing photo when they're holding up
a dead fish or usually they're alive catch and release.
I don't mind the fish ones as much, but it
tends to follow with the dead deer and the my guy, sorry,
we can't even look at it. I have photos of deer.
I know you do, and I love that for you,
and I will not show them to you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, but you know that you know that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And this is why.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
In an apocalypse, that's what I see that man can't provide.
I need a man who's gonna go pick me some berries.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I want a man that can put meat on the
table and berries.
Speaker 10 (04:43):
Maybe this is why, Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
God, I want to end something to be fun, because
you're gonna be back on this podcast at some way, but.
Speaker 11 (04:51):
For now, I feel like we just are so off
the rails.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, but it's always great, Like we had a lot
of great moments there. But I an end on a
bad date story because I think our bad dates are funny.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, and I think they're great to share. So let's
end on a funny note.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I did once go on a date with a guy
we were supposed to. It was our second date. This
has been a long time ago now. It was our
second date. We were gonna go to a Sounds baseball
game and I was gonna meet him at is it
Von l Rods at barn or back downtown, but it
was going to be a group paying so my roommate
at the time, like a lot of her coworkers, were
going to the bar too. We were all gonna meet
(05:31):
at Von l Rod's as well as this guy that
I was going on a second date with. Me and
my roommate are going over together. We're a few minutes,
not super late, but just a few minutes behind the
main group, and I get a text from the guy.
He had made it to the bar a few minutes later,
maybe fifteen, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
We show up and he.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is already hitted off with a girl that's friends like
with my roommates, like grouped.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Yeah, and so we're all going.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
To be sitting in this same section together and they've
already hit it off, like exchange numbers. And when I
got there, one of the friends pulled me in the bathroom,
which I don't do the drama, like who cares? Like
they pulled me in the bathroom? You know, we have
to tell you something, girl, Da da da. I'm like, oh,
what happened? And they're like they were all but making
(06:19):
out at the bar before you walked in, and I
was like, oh, oh, okay, well, I feel like I'm
interrupting something. And oddly enough, the dude like switched up
and was attached to my hip for the rest of
the night and then told me he really enjoyed the
date and wanted to go out again after that, and
I was like, I think I'm good, Like you should
(06:41):
definitely reach out to let's call our Heather. Reach out
to Heather, like maybe it'll be a better fit.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You know, cause did you say that?
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (06:49):
Did he respond Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And they did end up going out, which again, like
all is fair in love and war if you're not
my person.
Speaker 13 (06:55):
But you found your other person at the bar.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was just it was just it's more shocking.
Speaker 12 (06:58):
Than he was like wanting to go out with me again.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was perplexed. He probably wanted to try, and you
know which is feel it out.
Speaker 12 (07:07):
With both of us.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Their casual dating isn't bad, but like in that city,
but it was an ick at that point, and I
was like, I look, no harm enough, oul, but I'm
gonna let you just navigate these waters solo.
Speaker 14 (07:26):
What do you do now that's fulfilling because for us,
like I see on social media holding the chicken and stuff,
like I see like you doing little things around here,
But like what now is exciting to you?
Speaker 15 (07:36):
You know?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Yeah, I do the chores around here. We live on
forty acres. We got hoares with chickens and a couple
of dogs, the cats. My wife mainly takes care of
all that stuff. Competitively, what I found lately is racing,
you know, side by sides, you know, utility vehicles. I've
been a brand ambassad for Kawasaki Motorsports is twenty fifteen,
(08:00):
the Mule division, the Workhorse brand, and then I was
filming the show last year that turned into a bomb,
but I got a chance to One of the producers
asked me, Hey, do you want to do a poker run?
And I said, what the fuck is a poker run?
Because I don't play cards.
Speaker 14 (08:15):
I was about to say the same question, you just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
So a poker run as it uh, you know, pertains
to side by side racing if you're going to run
a course and say I just got finish racing this
past weekend. Each lap was fifty five miles out in
the desert. So on that poker run, basically you're pre
running the course that you're going to run the next
(08:38):
day and race. So on your GPS you can mark
all the dangers, what kind of turns you got, where
you might need to check up things, adjustments you need
to make while you're driving. Now during that ride where
you're marking all your dangers there, you're getting cards as
you go. And so at the race drivers meeting the
(08:59):
next that later that day and we do hey, who
wanted to poker in? Who had the worst hand. It's
kind of entertainment. But that's how I found racing side
by sides, and I've been doing it for about a
year and a half and I've absolutely fallen in love
with it, and it's just so different from anything I've
ever done because I've been driving, you know, four by four,
(09:19):
you know full wheel drive stuff, four wheeler's done when
I lived in Georgia and the mud hunting and side
by sides, but just recreationally. And when you start racing
something and pushing the machine to its limits and pushing
yourself to your limits, which you don't know that you
have yet because you've never driven at one hundred percent,
it takes a while to learn how to do that.
(09:41):
So I equated with when I first started wrestling, I sucked,
and when I first started driving these things. I won't
say I sucked, but I had a lot to learn.
And the biggest mistake you making pro wrestling trying to
get is trying to do everything too fast and racing
the I tell you, And it didn't make sense to
(10:01):
me until I ran a few races. Uh. In order
to you know to drive fast, you must first learn
to drive slow. I mean like when you was born,
you started crawling right.
Speaker 14 (10:13):
No, I was actually balancing on one foot. I was
pretty I came out of the room amazing, I was.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Told, But you don't come out and just start running
that's true. Same thing, that's true, same thing with racing,
but graduating a little faster.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
So I don't understand the side by side. Do you
have a partner with you or is it as always
the same partner?
Speaker 8 (10:29):
Yeah. My co driver is a guy named Shane Kissman.
They owned the race team that I raced with when
I was filming that show. They got into contact with
these people and they ride Kawasaki like I do. And
because I won't get any and I won't get into
anything else. And so anyway, I did the poker run
with those guys and I had so much fun. We
were hauling ass out there, and I had so much fun.
(10:50):
I said, man, I've got to do some more of this.
And somehow, some way out of the blue, Shane called
me up and he said, hey, man, do you think
you'd really want to start racing side by side? And
I said, hell yeah. And so we built a car
and I started racing. And that's just by meeting people.
And they asked me if I wanted to start racing,
(11:10):
and I couldn't believe it took me this long to find.
You know, this mort that I found at fifty eight
last year, I was the Rookie of the Year in
the Federation. So I was a Rookie of the Year
when I started my wrestling career in nineteen ninety so
I think that's the oldest fucking rookie to ever win
that ward. And then you know I'm competing against You know,
(11:32):
there's people my age, but there's also people that are
half my age. I'm one of my art rivals last
year was a fourteen year old girl. She drive her
ass off. So you know, when you're born out there
and you get that DNA and you the menim kids
are fast. So it's fun, it's competitive. It gives me
something to do.
Speaker 16 (11:50):
Mister stone Cold, when you said co drivers call you.
Speaker 14 (11:53):
Mister stone Cold, that felt weird. I'm just gonna say that.
Speaker 10 (11:56):
I don't respect that, just wanted didn't want to disrespect.
Speaker 14 (11:58):
I think mister Austin would be more human, right, I
don't know why, mister what's the weirdest thing? Somebody not
to interrupt your question, like, what is the weirdest thing?
People would because I would never call you mister stone
call it, said mister Austiner.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
God thing. Mike Tyson used to always call me Cold Stone,
like motherfucker that's an ice cream shop. My name is
stone Cold, Steve Auston and out there to raise his money.
I go by Steve Austin. You know, I never you know,
if people, if someone calls me stone cold, I'll answer
to it, mister stone Cold, I'll damn sure answer to Yeah.
(12:31):
I've been living my life for a long time as
Steve Austin up little food.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
Life. Oh it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful, beautiful that
for a.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Little mouth.
Speaker 10 (13:11):
Said, he you're kicking with full with Amy Brown.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
I know you were thrown into the deep end with
a cancer diagnosis, but still that's new behavior for you.
So I'm just thinking of people listening right now that
are resonating with what you're saying. Maybe they're not reporters,
but they are grinding and they're in the moment and
they actually don't even have a cancer diagnosis to push
them towards this. And selfishly, I want to know too,
because I'm practicing living more in the moment. But the
(13:38):
way Chase describes you, I got to say your next level,
and I'm like, I need to have more fun.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I need to have more fun in my life.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
So since I have you dubbed in my mind as
like Queen of fun and being present with your people,
Like what's a baby step towards cultivating and creating that
in our lives so that we aren't just sucked into
the hamster wheel.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
So what I've tried to do.
Speaker 15 (14:00):
And by the way, I just want to say, it
took me about two years host the diagnosis to get
to a place where I felt safe enough to even
think about having a future. I know that sounds ma Cob,
but I was in a dark place and scared to
death about dying. And then you start realizing, you know,
don't die before you die, you have to actually live.
(14:23):
And I remember even I'm going to give Shannon Dohorty,
the late great Shannon Dohorty, who spoke to me right
after her stage four metastatic breast cancer diagnosis. She and
I were diagnosed almost about the same time, I think
really a year or two apart. Her cancer came back
and she directed me to a Charlie Brown Snoopy cartoon
where Charlie Brown says to Snoopy, you only live once, Snoopy,
(14:47):
and Snoopy says, you got it wrong. We only die once.
We live every day and it was just through some
of these, I think other people's stories that actually got
me to wake up and realize, wait a minut in it,
You're still here, so what are you doing with your
life right now?
Speaker 12 (15:04):
And for the baby step.
Speaker 15 (15:06):
Every time a negative thought pops in my head, which
is often, I'm annoyed by someone in front of me,
I'm annoyed by a slow walker on the streets of
New York City, I'm annoyed that I'm stuck in traffic,
whatever it is. And I started thinking like, wait a minute,
I'm alive, I'm greathing, I'm here.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
How can I enjoy this moment?
Speaker 15 (15:24):
And I really looked to greater teachers than me, people
like Michael Singer or Eckhart Tole.
Speaker 12 (15:31):
I try to remind myself of this.
Speaker 15 (15:32):
There are three states of being if you want to
actually have a good life. The lowest stage should be acceptance.
So whatever's happening, you get a flat tire, someone.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
Upsets you, accept it. That should be your lowest state.
Speaker 15 (15:46):
The second state should be enjoyment, right, just figure out
how a way to enjoy it, laugh at something, find
something funny.
Speaker 12 (15:53):
In the mess.
Speaker 15 (15:54):
And the third and highest in the state of being
that I always strive for is absolute enthusiasm. So how
can you take that enjoyment and actually have something to
look forward to? So I always try to enjoy where
I am, but have something to look forward to and
find some humor in the mess. But I have to
remind myself of this constantly, but I really try to
make it a priority.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Yeah, it sounds like it's been a journey for you,
and probably back in twenty thirteen you didn't You didn't
have these three tools, you didn't have at gartolet or
maybe you had already read maybe The Power of Now
at that.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Point, but nope, I had done it.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
No soul here, and that's one you can either read
or listen to multiple times and still try to continue
to comprehend. It's good stuff, for sure. But if you
go back to twenty and thirteen and you know where
you were in your career and like thinking stuff like
this is not going to happen to me. I mean
you were at a different stage in your career for sure,
but I would imagine doing a live mammogram you thought, oh,
(16:51):
this is just going to be good for awareness and
nothing's going to come back. So what was it like
for you getting that phone call and the and what
did you think of your role as a public figure
having to navigate this, Like did you know right away, well,
here we are and I'm going to share it all.
Or did you feel like, uh, this is something I
(17:11):
don't know that I can share with the world.
Speaker 15 (17:13):
Well, obviously it's incredibly personal when it's happening. And I
will back up a little bit with where I was
in my career. I think it's funny from the outside
looking in, you think, oh, look where she was Good
Morning America. But I had just left NBC News and
it wasn't something that I wanted to do necessarily. I
found myself in a new network, very scared, needing to
(17:34):
prove myself, feeling like I took a step backwards instead
of a step forwards, and really questioning my career and
where I was and all of those things. So I
was in that place when I was asked to do
this live mammogram in the middle of Times Square, and
I had no actual personal intention of going to get
(17:54):
a mammogram at forty So I had always prided myself
on authenticity as a reporter, and so we actually went
into Robin Roberts, who is a breast cancer survivor and Thriver,
and I said, hey, look, they want me to do
this mammogram and this Mamma Van and I just don't
think I'm the right person. I have no family history.
My mom's one of nine, my dad's one of six
Midwestern Catholic families. No one has breast cancer. I can't
(18:17):
even count how many female cousins I have. No one
has breast cancer. I just feel like I'm not the
right person for this. And she looked at me and said,
you're the perfect person for this because you think cancer
can't happen to you. And what I'm saying is, I'm
sure you're fine, but you're going to convince one other
woman who doesn't think she needs to have a mammogram
to go and make her appointment, and she's going to
(18:38):
find her cancer early, and you're going to save her life.
Speaker 12 (18:41):
And so that is what convinced me.
Speaker 15 (18:43):
I did it thinking I was being of service, thinking
I was being altruistic, and I didn't realize obviously that
the first life I saved was my own.
Speaker 12 (18:52):
And I had.
Speaker 15 (18:53):
Sat there in that room and telling Robin I had
no connection to the disease, all the while I had
two malignant tumors. Canser had already spread to my lymph notes,
and I felt perfectly healthy and fine. But once I
made the decision to go into the Mamma Van and
the mammogram, when I found my cancer a few weeks later,
when it was diagnosed, I went into hiding for a
few days, and I talked to Robin, and I talked
(19:14):
to my really good friend Hotocopy, who was also a
breast cancer survivor over at the Today Show, and she
and I had shared a dressing room for a full
year together right after she had gone through it. And
I talked to them about it, and I just felt
like it wasn't even a choice for me at that point.
If my intention going into that Mamma Van was to
get women to get their mammograms, I knew the power
of me saying, hey, guess what, that Mamma Van. That
(19:37):
imaging just led to my breast cancer diagnosis, and now
I have the unbelievable gift of knowing I have it
and being able to treat it because it's still early stage.
And yes I had to go through chemo, and yes
I had to go through several surgeries and yes, I
had almost a decade of medicine and meds that don't
(19:59):
make you feel great. Guess what, I'm here and I'm alive,
and I'm alive because of that. And so it was
a non starter for me not to make it public
because I knew it would save lives.
Speaker 17 (20:09):
We're gonna do it live we Oh, the one, two,
three Sore Losers?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most
about sports, so I'll give you the sports facts, my
sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'all.
It's Sison. I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male.
Speaker 17 (20:28):
I live on the North side of Nashville with Bayser,
my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful, a
lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully
soon corn pumpkins, rye. I believe maybe a little fescue
to be determined.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Over to you, coach, And here's a clip from this
week's episode of The Sore Losers. Oh, there is no
hours posted, so you just kind of make it up.
So it seems like the whole airport just shuts down
at seven pm, which is crazy to me, Like if
I flew into New York if I whatever, what's a
big Laguardian lug Wardia? Is that closing at seven o'clock?
(21:06):
Or do they have stuff open all night? Atlanta that's
one of the bigger airports. Hi there, I'm headed to
Lower Manhattan. Can you tell me that all the restaurants
just close up at seven pm? Oh my god? How
much money are you missing out on?
Speaker 17 (21:19):
What you're not realizing is every business does that unless
mom and pop are working there, or the manager's on staff,
or it's a bustling restaurant that basically has to stay
open if not later than their hours posted.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
Think about this.
Speaker 17 (21:32):
The telephone telecommunications industry when I used to it, right,
when I used to work in groundy communications, I sold telephone,
computer and internet, telephone, internet and cable TV. Dude, when
it was eight forty five, all you gotta do tap
the old uh hang up button. Then it looks like
you're busy. You just do it a little bit. Nobody
(21:53):
really called after eight thirty, So once you started creepingto
eight fifty eight fifty five, you would get busted if
you just held it because it shows it, that shows
records of it. But it doesn't show records if you
just tap it, so there's no there. Our managers would
check out seven forty five. They want to go be
with their family, So eight hits you kind of gotta
still be studious.
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Eight thirty start thinking about it.
Speaker 17 (22:14):
Eight forty so if somebody had called and you tap
it, it busys it, so then it gives it to somebody
else in the call center. But when everybody's doing that,
the callers could be like, oh my, like why are
your foe? They could have complained and been like, why
are your phone's busy? But you start getting closer to nine,
and everybody's just kind of doing it, pushing the phone
around the phone's lines. Do you get away with it?
(22:34):
Because then you're like, then the caller's like a fit,
you know what. They're all busiest near nine. It makes
sense if we'd have done that at six, our manager
would have found out and there would have been audits
and records of us making phone lines busy.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
At six. Eight fifty five, the caller just kind of
gets it. Everybody's heading home. I guess I should have
understood that because when I flew out of Nashville, my
flight left at six pm, right and I was leaving
my house and it usually takes about twenty minutes to
get to the airport. Well, don't give your exact address,
and so my wife was like, you better get going.
I'm like, no, it only takes twenty minutes. So I
(23:08):
was like, I'll leave at four thirties. Since the flight
leaves at six, I'll get there at five. I'll have
an hour, I'll grab something neat cool. I get the
car at four thirty and I type it let me
see what they're saying, forty five minutes to the airport
the worst. And I'm like, oh my god, okay, cool, cool.
So I'm taking all these back roads, like it's taking
(23:29):
me on back roads. I'm not even on the highway.
And I called my dad and I'm like, hey, man,
just letting you making sure you're gonna pick me up.
He's like, you're already at the airport. I was like no.
It says I'm gonna arrive at five twenty and my
flight leaves at six. He's like, oh my god, thank goodness,
Rai's not with you. Kid.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Cut through Terrytown. You're gonna want to go on one
of those little shortcuts to Mopak that'll take you all
the way home to the birds. You are now free
to fly without the country.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
And so I'm pulling into the airport, and yes, I'd
be fucking freaking out. He was like, And I'm sitting
there on the highway. Find that get on the highway
where it tells me to. And I'm like, man, this
traffic is bad. Now. It says I'm gonna get there
at five twenty two. It says boarding is it five
twenty And I'm like, oh my gosh. So I am
sitting there and I pull into the parking lot. He's
about to pull in. I pull up to the Nashville
(24:19):
Airport at five twenty three pm. Wait, I thought we
were stilling on.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
No.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
No, I should have known that the Austin Airport closes
at seven because of this.
Speaker 17 (24:27):
Oh, I had trouble with your story. I know, okay, kid,
So I disregard Terrytown. You're actually gonna go kid on
sixty five twenty four cutover to Knoxville and they're up there.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
So I may have kid those directions in Nashville. Kid,
I know my directions everywhere, so he's finding the major arteries.
I parked the car in the lot. No shuttle at
what time? Five point twenty three? Noted because I wasn't
about to park, and the cover parking because it was
forty five dollars a day. I was like, I ain't
(25:00):
paying that. There's no way that ain't that much. But okay,
I looked it up on my phone. It's thirty three.
Speaker 17 (25:05):
No, yeah, well could I park there for five days before?
Speaker 10 (25:09):
And anyway? So I'm just sitting there waiting for the shuttle.
Shut shuttle rolls up at five twenty seven and I'm like,
all right, we gotta go, we gotta go. He's like,
what airline? I said, just get me to the I
don't care what airline. I just first stop, I'm jumping off,
like I don't care Frontier because I'm not checking a bag,
So I don't care what airline I get off. I
just need to get in the doors and get their security.
(25:30):
Oh here you are. You're all set at Qatar air,
but not that one. Go a couple more days. Yeah, yeah,
we're not doing that, airline sorr. Yeah, yeah, we're not
going to caught arm Yeah you're all down, free to
fly to Dubai what I was kidding and go farther
and so I'm on the shuttle and we pull up
to one shuttle stop. No one's there. Cool. Next one,
there is a guy walking from half a row down
like just I mean, just taking his damn time.
Speaker 17 (25:54):
Either you're out that door waving him in, or you're
telling the driver slipping him a one and say keep going.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
Pop. The bus driver opens the door and the guy
just acts like we're not waiting on him. He just
kind of oh, no, looking up at the clouds cause
it's looking like it's about to rain. And I'm like,
would you get on this bus already?
Speaker 17 (26:13):
Dude, that's like a rapid type situation. Usually you're not
gonna see somebody walking towards it.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
I mean, he didn't even oh, you're waiting for me?
Like here, I'll kind of hustle up.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
No.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Then he opens his backpack before he gets on to
make sure he still has his keys. You're all good man.
I'm like, all right, get on the bus. You need
a phone charger. I got you, So we get it.
He gets on the bus and we're driving. I'm like, hey, yeah,
we're headed for the exit. There's no one up. Someone
walks up to the next stop, so we got to
stop and the guy gets on and he knows the
guy that takes forever and he's like, oh man, I
thought we had another hour. He goes, No, he goes,
I mean we still got an hour and twenty to
(26:43):
our flight. Flight leaves, we'll have time to get something
to eat. And I'm like, I have twenty one minutes
until my flight leaves. No, thirty one minutes because it's
five twenty nine at this point, Oh timeline, what was
I thinking? My flight leaves at six, And I'm like,
oh my god. So we pull up to the airport
and the guy is like, not stop it, and I'm like,
I just stand up, and he goes, you want off here.
I'm like, yeah, that's good. You jumped wall the busy
(27:05):
believe he wasn't even no, he wasn't even go to
the curb. He was in the second lane. He was
in the second lane and I got out, so he
was not even at the curb when I got off
the damn bus. And I went in and I get
to the freaking checkpoint. It is now when I get
through security, it is five forty one, and I'm like okay,
(27:31):
and I'm like and it says boarding was at five twenty.
So I'm like, they're fully boarded, and I'm all the
way at the very back of the damn airport. Never
gonna be at the front, can never be the first game.
Speaker 17 (27:41):
It's the newly designed airport. Now it's spider webs and
it's compremental to Atlantas.
Speaker 10 (27:46):
I was thinking, I'm gonna get dinner when I get
to the National Airport, get on the plane, will be good,
I'll won't be hungry, and I am sprinting through the
airport to my flight.
Speaker 17 (28:00):
Always wanted to do it, but you get the chance
to actually do it.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
I've done it numerous times because I like to really.
Oh man, I'm I like to push it with the
airport because I don't like to be sitting at an
airport for two hours. Dude.
Speaker 17 (28:13):
Even Baser she thought we were gonna have to run
at the Atlanta Airport from kan Kun because we had
a connector in forty five minutes.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
It was right next door. We walked two gates down.
Speaker 17 (28:23):
I wanted to I was prepared to run, and I
still didn't get the opportunity.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
And I run, run, run. I'm like, man, I gotta
fill up my water. I'm dying I'm so thirsty. I'm sweating.
Speaker 17 (28:34):
Yeah, how's it going, brother, I wasn't out there doing
an air traffic controller. Man, get in there, fill.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
Up your water bottle. So I'm there at the little
the water fountain filling up my water bottle. And it
tells me by filling up my water bottle, I was
number We've saved three hundred and sixty five twenty six
plastic bottles from going to the landfill. And I get
it about a quarter of the way up and over
the announcement, they say, if you're on a flight number
(28:58):
one one sixty two heading to Austin, we have fully
bullet boarded the aircraft. If you are holding a ticket,
this is your last call to arrive at the gate.
And I'm like, all right, here we go, and I say,
screw filling up the rounds of the water bone. I
sprint to the plane. Heave the turtles on your own,
and I'm the last one on that damplane. Makes sense.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Hey, it's Mike d And This week on Movie Mike's
Movie Podcast, I sat down with director Carrie Belessa and
his wife and producer Summer Blessa to talk about their
new movie Amberlert why it took ten years to make,
how they manage marriage in the industry, and how they
turned a parent's worst nightmare into a story that they
hope starts a conversation.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
So I want to share a little bit of this
with you.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Now, be sure to check out this full interview on
Movie Mike's movie podcast. But let's get to the interview now.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I feel like a lot of being a filmmaker, being
an artists is observing the world around you. I feel
like that's really the thing that defines like somebody who's
actually going to follow through with it is you observe
it also write it down and then execute it. Like
you've been talking about the filmmaking process, just like the
inspiration of this movie it came from seeing the Ambulla
and thinking, WHOA that should be a movie. Are you
(30:19):
constantly observing things and writing things down? Because the other day,
like I was on a flight and I sat down
on the exit rode and they're like, hey, if you
know something to do, that whole thing off something goes wrong,
like are you willing to help? And I just you know,
willing to say ah yeah, thinking in that moment of
like what if I actually had something actually went down
and I was put in that situation of I actually
(30:41):
have to do something now, and I was like, hey,
that could be something. Are you constantly observing things like that?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
I made it.
Speaker 16 (30:47):
I definitely Yeah, truth there's a lot more interesting than fiction.
Just reading the news. I mean I have a whole
little book plet of news art Culsetter just freezing for
me personally. I like saying that you possible, we happen
and then are real.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
How about you?
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Oh, I mean I feel like I kind of going
more in the fantasy or the romance from Calm World
burns less.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
I mean, it's still human nature.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's still based on you know, relationships, but maybe the
less less news.
Speaker 16 (31:18):
Driven or reality or probably like observing it seeing things
and like oh that might have to be all film,
But like what you're talking about is like it's like
some type of little scene there or set up.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
You know, you just got to write it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, gotta deal with the next step.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
As a filmmaker. What would be my next step on
that idea? Is it writing a title, writing a synopsis?
What is that when you sit down to like you
just had this idea, what is that next step to
flesh out a script.
Speaker 16 (31:43):
You just need to put in the paper like everything.
I mean that that's the hardest thing, is just getting
and even if you don't have the entire film down,
or you just might have a scene, write the scene,
you know, if you have a first act, right, the
first act, I just think and it's still difficult to
like sit down, you know, a blank piece of paper.
(32:05):
It can be so overwhelming and so but it's it's
just putn't in the work.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, no one will make a film of just an idea.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
So you need to have eventually it plushed out into
a full script and then you can share it and
have people give you insight and hopefully up people who
are like, yeah, I see the vision too, let's go
think it.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
That leaves me to my final two questions. We're sitting
here the night before the premiere here in Nashville. Are
you feeling the overwhelming joy of it finally being out
after ten years or are you feeling nervous about people
are going to react to it this week? Because I know,
as somebody who deals with reading the comments, reading getting
all the messages, I don't see the ones they say, hey,
(32:51):
and that was a great episode you did. That was
a great interview. I see the ones they say this sucks,
like why did you put this hell? Like you used
to feel terrible.
Speaker 16 (32:58):
The positive things and some ding Dong says you suck, Yeah,
and you just focus.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We feal it so hard. Yeah, it's definitely human nature.
Speaker 16 (33:07):
I mean, I think now, being the old wise man
that I am, that I don't read comments. I read
comments and before I remember specifically a long time ago,
and like the comments made me feel like I was
like the grade I was Spielberg.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
You know, some of these people are like this so bazy.
Speaker 16 (33:28):
I don't ever read comments.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You take it with the great to take with a
grain of salt, Like.
Speaker 16 (33:32):
I love what we do, and I love this path
that we've chosen his career, but I just love so
many other things in life that bring me joy that
no one's going to take us down over some comments
that you're not doing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, you're not going to make everybody happy with every film.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Yeah, you know, there's films that we love that changed
our lives that some people don't like. At the end
of the day, that's we just want to make something
that's entertaining, to make it people thinking and talking.
Speaker 16 (34:00):
And we're like risk takers and gamblers. I'd rather you
absolutely hate my film and talk about it and be
so passionate about your disdain instead of just making something
that they're like, uh, it's okay, Like it was like forgettable.
But yeah, we're we're excited to just get it out
there and hear what people think and their response. And
(34:23):
we're very confident in the film too. We think it's
a great film. The feedback's been really good, and I.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Think people are really going to enjoy seeing Hayden and
Tyler and the.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Aah yeah it's Tyler, Like I've really never seen it,
Like I've been watching one avid Elementary and it's like, oh,
this is a totally different side of it.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (34:38):
Yeah, he's a killer, Like he is just so locked in.
It's so good, so insightful. At Hayden too, like they
were just like we're the perfect people at the right
time to have this, you know.
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Yeah, they both brought such humanity to the roles and
personality and it was really really fun to work with
them and see what, you know, their perspectives on their
characters and they s brought so much.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
And my final question is why Louisville Kentucky. I'll give
you why I think you picked it. After watching the movie,
I feel like that city which I've been to, I
love Louisville. It makes it feel so much more real,
Like you could happen to anybody if you said this
movie in LA, it would feel like, oh, it's just
another movie in LA where crazy things happen all the time,
(35:25):
or in New York. But for me, like just seeing them,
like at the beginning, they just had a random park
and that's where it happens. Is that the reason why
it's in Louisville or is it just I just want
to say Louisville, Kentucky is awesome, great people.
Speaker 16 (35:38):
Our crew was like we missed those those people they
were so awesome and just like genuine down the earth
and they kind of knew our story like that we've
been hustling for ten years, that we were gonna make it,
that we were no one's gonna let us, and they
just like got behind us like family and really helped
us make an amazing film.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
As the producer, I will say was because of there
was a few different places that have great test incentives
that we were debating over, and I think exactly what
you said, though, is you know, one of the strengths
of the Snow is that it could be anywhere except
maybe La but in general, like this happens all over
the country.
Speaker 16 (36:18):
And it was originally written in Phoenix, Arizona because the
Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the country.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, we wanted to make sure it didn't feel like.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
It could be anybody.
Speaker 16 (36:29):
Yes, so we just kind of tweaked it a little
and it was couldn't. I couldn't imagine anywhere else now,
And I love that the lushness, the beautiful degree, Like
I mean, I do want to fight a lot with
the rain. Then we had to day. We didn't shoot
for a whole morning because of rain that you know,
it was. It was some challenges, but it worked out,
(36:50):
worked out.
Speaker 17 (37:00):
Cary Line, she's a queen and talking and so she's
getting really not afraid to feel its episode or soul.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Just let it blow.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
No one can do we quiet.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Cary Line is sober care Line.
Speaker 18 (37:19):
Because I did not think I was codependent, because I
was so capable exactly. Yeah, And I've done so many
big things and I'm not scared to take risks.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know, right, But you like everyone else didn't understand
the vast expansion that is codependency and the particular flavor
of your codependency. It was the same as my codependency,
which is why I named a new kind of codependency,
calling it high functioning, because you were like all of
my therapy clients who anytime I would bring up that's
(37:49):
a codependent pattern, they'd be like, no, it's not, lady,
I'm not codependent. Everyone's dependent on me. I'm the one
making all the dough. I'm the one who's the rock
in my family. I'm the one managing all the peeople.
What are you talking about? And it made me realize, Wow,
my highly capable clients do not know what godependency is.
Speaker 13 (38:08):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I won't tell you. According to Terry.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Cole, which is a good one to accord to, that's.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Ru I'm saying is when you are overly invested in
the feeling states, the outcomes, situations, circumstances, relationships of the
people in your life to the detriment of your own
internal peace.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
That's a big one.
Speaker 18 (38:28):
Okay, So like those are some big words just through
out there, but like really, when you break it down,
like if you're feeling sick in your stomach because you're
so worried about everyone in your life that their outcomes
aren't going.
Speaker 13 (38:37):
To be what you need them to be.
Speaker 18 (38:39):
And that's what you said, The outcomes need to be
the way I need them to be so I can relax. Like,
I can't have them messing up how I need it
to go, or having them have construction or have them
not being happy or have them being.
Speaker 13 (38:51):
Mad at me, because then I'm not going to be
able to have peace.
Speaker 18 (38:54):
So I have to go control them to make sure
that I give them everything I can with my people,
pleasing personality, read their energy, like feel the room, make
sure they get what they need so they can be happy,
and then I can be like, Okay, I can relax.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
So you see how that's a short term strategy.
Speaker 13 (39:10):
I lived in that way for like my whole life.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Right, But you understand you can't keep going, which is
why you were searching around the.
Speaker 13 (39:15):
World having to pray down.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, because literally there's only so much bandwidth that we
can bleed in that way, especially once you become a mother,
especially because once you hit perimenopause or menopause, like you
just get so over all of this bandwidth bleeding, and
what I see in my therapy practice is that it
makes us resentful because we're doing it. We are proactively
(39:41):
inserting ourselves. Right, So what are let's talk about the
behaviors because I feel like let's get really clear for
people who are watching and listening to be able to
see themselves. If you are a high functioning codependent, I mean,
let's just be specific about the differences. Right, The more
capable you are, the less codependency, because like codependency, sneak
(40:01):
heer you are, but it's still codependency.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
You're extra sneaky and acting not codependent.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
That's right, You're really good at it. But actually people
perceive you as not codependent because you're.
Speaker 13 (40:09):
So capable, probably like running some company, you.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Are, and nobody is checking in on you either, because
we're the ones who are checking in on all the
other people, right. Right, So with codependency, people think my
clients were like, I'm not enabling an alcoholic. What are
you talking about? As if that is the only way
codependency can be expressed, Like.
Speaker 18 (40:31):
Ause, if you let someone carry on a toxic behavior
that you're very aware of, like drinking or drinks.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I mean, when you think about codependency. This is how codependency,
melody baity, codependent no More, got to be involved with
an addict. This is what a lot of my the
myths that my clients thought were true about codependency. So
they didn't see themselves in the problem. So for me,
I needed to create it so they could see themselves,
because how could we get to a solution if they
(40:56):
didn't even see themselves in the problem. And you know, Caroline,
it was also my own personal experiences, so this wasn't
just me sort of changing this definition. It's me expanding
the definition because it was the flavor of my own
young life codependency where you're not just codependent with the
(41:21):
people in your life, you could be codependent. I mean
I opened the book with a story of me being
on a platform in Long Island, a train platform at
ten thirty at night on a Tuesday, and I see
this kid he's probably about nineteen and I'm probably about
twenty two, and he's holding a little blanket and I'm like, hmm,
my helper radar is already pinging, like where's this young
kid going? At ten thirty at night? And I was
(41:43):
going back to my apartment. I was coming from therapy,
and so I started chatting him up on the train
and I was like, ohere are you going? He says, Oh,
my name is Billy blah blah blah. He's like, I
was hired to drive a car from Long Island to
Indiana and then they just canceled the gig. So I go,
so where are you going? It's like I'm going to
I'm going to, you know, Penn Station. I go, where
are you going to sleep? He's like Pound Station. I
(42:05):
was like, no, you're not doing Have you ever been
to Penn State team on? There's the late eighties? The
city was rough still. I was like, have you ever
been to Pend Station? Dude, you can't sleep there. He's like, well,
I don't know anybody in New York. I'm like, yeah,
you do? You know me?
Speaker 13 (42:17):
You let him up stay with you?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yes? I did. I took a perfect stranger that I
knew for exactly one hour, brought him to my apartment
with my female roommate, and it was a studio.
Speaker 13 (42:28):
You did it all? How did it pan out?
Speaker 8 (42:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Fine? Of course? I mean he left without incident the
next day. And the point is, you guys, watching and
listening to you you may not have done that extreme,
but we all have Billy's stories, which is where we
feel overly responsible for people we don't even ef and
know why is that because it's an illusion of control. Right,
here's the illusion. I couldn't stand the idea that this boy,
(42:52):
in my mind, which is ironic because I was probably
three years older than him, was going to be in
what I considered a dangerous or precarious situation. And we
are the helpers, the healers, we're the ones. We're the ones.
We can't let it slip through the crack, even someone
we don't know. And here's the thing. I didn't stop
and think and go, hmmm, does that make sense? Is
(43:13):
this even my shit to solve? Like is this even
my problem? It was a knee jerk reaction. So the
thing with high function codependency in these And I'm going
to go through the behaviors so people can get into
it and understand if it's them we're talking about. These
are things we're sort of doing compulsively, like I'm not thinking.
I wasn't thinking before through not at all, and it
(43:36):
never entered my mind. It wasn't the right thing to
do though, I mean till way later, even when I
came home.
Speaker 13 (43:42):
Reached yourself out way later, way later.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Well, of course once I started, once I had kids,
I was like, that was insane. Why would you do that?
So the behaviors we want to look out for auto
advice giving.
Speaker 18 (43:55):
Okay, I'm not kind of explain that a little bit.
So always got the right answer always here. Because another thing,
and I'm not trying to diverge, just want to make
sure I say this is when you are a high
functioning codependent, you are so afraid of that other person's
cookie crumbling and their life falling apart. But what you
don't know is like that is so self righteous of
you to think that you know it's best for them,
(44:15):
and that them falling apart isn't exactly what they needed.
So they could hit that level and actually gain the
lessons they need and go on the journey they need
that they wouldn't have done if.
Speaker 13 (44:25):
They hadn't hit that level. I think about that all
the time.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yes, but it takes so long to get to that
because here's the thing.
Speaker 13 (44:31):
So then you have to let people be.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
That's the thing. We have to let the chips fall
where they may when they're not your mother, f and chips.
But that's the hard that's the hard part. So the
auto advice giving this can look like two things. It
can look like someone coming to you and just saying, oh, hey,
I decided I'm going to go here for vacation. You
being like, oh, make sure you stop there as well.
This place was amazing. You're going to love that. I
know people, I actually have a great real estate, but
(44:55):
like I have a great travel agent for you. I
where we just can't stop. That's someone who hasn't even
asked us for our input. They literally just said I'm
going on vacation. We were like planning their right itinerary.
So there's that and many of the people who come
to you because you are a healer and a helper
and a fixer.
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Hey, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
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Things with Amy Brown or Movie Mike's Movie Podcast and
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you did subscribe. We really appreciate you listening to this.
New episodes of all those shows are out weekly, always
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Speaker 14 (45:37):
We always appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Thank you and have a great week.
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