January 24, 2025 • 56 mins
As the Cowboys continue to search for their new head coach, Eddie ranks the coaches they have been rumored to possibly hire in terms of how sexy it would be. Plus, 5X NFL Executive of the Year, Scott Pioli joins Bobby to talk about interviewing for a head coach while they're still in the playoffs, traits of a successful player, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
Whine Whin, I blow the whistle. So I'll start with this.
Eddie has broken arm, which we've talked about. He gets
sadder as the show goes because we're, ok, yeah, we're
basically afternoon now, and Eddie's starting to get kind of
saddened down. And I heard someone say what's up, and
he goes, my percocet's wearing off.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, the pain pills is starting to come down, man,
and it hurts. It's it's like, uh, like all morning
it feels, you know, like like something's not right, but
it doesn't hurt. And then when it starts wearing down,
like you start feeling a little pulsating around.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
My throbbing in the arm.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Then you realize, like, man, it's time for another dose.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Do you have the doses with you?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm down, they're at home.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Are you driving yourself? In? No, I got I got driving.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
What's the mainly mainly because I drive a stick.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Because you're on percocet.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, If that's the case, I would just skip out
and then take it while I'm here and then it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
How many can you take a day? Every six hours?
Do you look forward to that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean this is the stuff that people get
like hooked on, right for sure. I mean, but it
doesn't make me feel like, yeah, I want to party.
It makes me feel like I just want to go
to bed and like just chill.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But I just chill. Is a feeling that people chase.
That's smoking weed, right. I never smoke weed, but I'm
assuming you smoke weed. You're just like, hey, i's want
a chill. I don't think it makes you want to party.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But then afterwards you feel all groggy and moody.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I had to take percocet dry sockets in my mouth
once ihead. My boys don't be taken out miserable, like
three months of just his torture, and I had to
take per except for that. And I liked him so
much that it's at one point I dumped it on
the toilet because I liked him so much. I feel
that did that was Yeah, it was Breed calling to
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cancel his draft kings. He was winning so much. It's responsible, Yeah, exactly,
irresponsible gambler. Well, we're rooting for you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But then did you also hear read like, hey, you
got any extras?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I did not want to come on. I did not
hear him to say that. A couple of things. As
we start the show, I'm seeing more and more rumors
about the NFL taking the fourth or the on side
kick and making it basically a fourth and twenty. We
saw the onside kick last week too. I think that's
a great idea, Like you want the ball back convert
(03:48):
a fourth and twenty. At least there is an opportunity there.
They said, they said.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was what a good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I would say good. I would say more than five percent,
but I wouldn't say one and four. I say, les,
there's twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because like, what's the percentage on an on side kick
the way it is now?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So they said five percent this season, that's nothing and
I felt like that was hot.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I was going to say that seems.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, that was because I never see them recover. I'm
sure they do in games that I missed, but if
you see an on its like kick recovery, that's amazing.
I was like a Dodo bird, like a rare Dodo
you see running down the road. I like that. And
I think that's an XFL ish type rule. And the
kickoff rule that they had changed this year, it has
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changed me in no way whatsoever. I don't hate it.
I don't love it. It's how I felt about the
kickoff and they can on lyast say, look, we're doing
things to keep people from getting concussions. Right, it's not
a stupid rule they've put in, but also it's not
made the game like way more fun. But I think
the benefit of that kickoff rule is the NFL can
go look at what we're doing to prevent forest fires
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and concussions.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Smoky.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And the fourth and twenty is where where you would
normally kick the ball off.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It doesn't matter because I don't know that you get
the ball at that spot, so I don't know. The
role is not there. It very very well could be.
But my point is, I don't know that it's that
spot because if you throw a touchdown or you get
to the five yard line, you get to keep it
at the five. Probably not they got to tweak that.
I would think that it just goes back to some
normal midfield fish type line because that's where an onside
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kick would be recovered. Yeah, so that's the first thing
I read. I think that would be a great move.
So second thing, the Cowboys coach maybe shot in hybrid.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Dude, I know what's stupid?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Really?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I saw that too, and I'm like, it's not sexy.
It's not exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Sexy's not always exciting, and it's sexy's not always great sexy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't know why it's that sexy, but you know
what I mean, it's not very like Dion, Like I
guess that would be considered sexy because it's out like
a pick. That'd be like, whoa, what are you serious?
Dion prime time is gonna be the coach of the
Dallas Cowboys, but Shottenheimer and Brian is that name?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, and he's the now he's the OC now.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But he didn't even call plays.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That part's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
McCarthy called all the plays by waffle house menu.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I would think that it would be weird, weird
that the OC that gets the head coaching job wasn't
the play caller, except for that McCarthy is a really
great play caller, like that's what he's known for. And also,
if you're the OC under somebody who's really great at
what they do, I'm sure that you're picking up some
stuff too, Not that he needed it, but if they
came today and they may say this, we record this
at Thursday afternoon and then it loads at midnight on Friday,
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but let's say tonight or Friday. Schottenheimer's a coach. Your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
In other waste of season?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't think Brian. I mean, Brian's already been there, right,
So I don't think it's going to change anything. I
don't think you're going to be looking at a whole
different Dallas Cowboys team. I think it's just going to
remain the same thing. We're just going to kill another
year of football. And and I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Would be more than a season though, mean, if he's
the head coach.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Four yeah, okay, four seasons lost, that's a whole presidential term.
It is, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think when things are really I'll use your word
sexy and exciting, Usually that's just short term fun and
not long term greatness. So I'm not saying that Brian
Schottenheimer is the answer. But sometimes those hires where you're
like who what when? Like it's really smart people making
(07:26):
those decisions. I'm not. Maybe Jerry's allowing other people to
come in and help him with this. I don't hate
it because it's so take your lunch pail to work. Yeah,
decision that A lot of times those work out. I
don't see this being a disaster. If he's the coach,
(07:49):
I think the floor is higher, But I don't know
where the ceiling is with him at all.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I just feel like if Brian was the dude, they
would have made him the OC and he would have
had FaceTime. I mean, I forgot that Brian Schottenheimer was
the OC. Honestly, I forgot to look like I just
looked them up.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I think again, if it's almost any coach other than
than McCartney, he's calling plays, So I wouldn't take that
as man. He must not be that good because you
had one of the greatest play callers offensive NFL minds
calling plays. So listen, if I were a Cowboys fan,
I would want something exciting and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, even like when you said Cliff Kingsbury, that's cool,
that would be that's kind of sexy. It's pretty sexy.
And he's kind of sexy. Okay, like the ladies like him.
If for sexy, Oh yeah, I know somebody who looked
up with him for a while.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I can't tell you. I can't tell you that's a
bond dude, and I can't. I can't. I can't tell
you it's been a while. It's been a while, so nothing.
I don't know what his personal life has now been,
Mary with kids, don't have spent a long time. I
can tell you out there so Sexydon one very sexy,
Cliff two. Cliff two is very sexy. Who's the three?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean not in the traditional sexy way, but I
think the third sexiest coach for the Dallas Cowboys could
be Riverboat Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No, I don't think he's sexy. I think he is
somebody you bring in to plug a hole, to create
some stability.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Have they talked to Romo about what coming back?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Because that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't know if they've talked to.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's sexy.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We've talked about three. He's still coaching right now. I
feel like he'd be on your list. He's still coaching
right now, offensive coordinator Moore. Who would you rather have,
Kellen Moore or Brian Cornelia Schottenheimer. Yeah, that's legit.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I guess I'd have Kellen Moore. I feel like I
know more of his work.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But I think that's why, And that's the answer, right,
That's why you want him because you know more about him.
It doesn't mean that you know or you feel like
he's actually better based on so Yeah, it's a lunch.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Pal higher if he does what a mess?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Uh so? Brian Schottenheimer, Oh, see for the Seahawks, the Jets,
the Rams, University of Georgia. Was an assistant coach with
the Redskins, Chargers, Colts, and Jaguars. His dad is fifty
one years old.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Marty Marty. Yeah, Marty was the coach of Franco where
the San Diego Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh Chargers, they always like fell short every season. Yeah
that's good.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That's kind of where Chargering came from.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, good luck to you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, thank you man. We'll wait and see hopefully if
some of those sexies come in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I hope people watch a little bit of Cheaps of
Holly because it's interesting and the chiefs are still in
it and it's the guy that robbed the banks. What
about the Aaron Rodgers documentary?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, man, that keeps popping up like every time, you know,
like you hover over the thumbnail and then they so
they showed a little clip or whatever, and I watched
it today and look at my wife, I'm like, should
we watch this? And she was like, that's kind of
interesting because she knows Jordan Rodgers and she knows him
she I mean from The Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, well that's knows of Jordan Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No, my wife doesn't know Jordan Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well that's how you said it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, but no, also, like just kind of the whole
story of them being, you know, having family fights or whatever,
him not getting along with the family. So we thought
about it, but I can't. I can't pull the trigger
on it. I don't know if I can take what
is it, two hours of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, same, That's why I can't. I don't like Aaron
Rodgers and by the way, I used to like Aaron
Rodgers a lot. I think when we started this podcast
this season, I was like, well, it's going, but it's
He's sufferable.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So does anyone.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Wants I started it and I got timon and it's
just boring.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You quit Chiefs of Hollic though, and you.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, because I hate the Chiefs too. But I don't
hate Aaron Rodgers' starting this again. We're starting this again.
I don't hate Aaron Rodgers, but it's just it was
just boring. I don't know, it's just him being Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I might like a little bit. Yeah, you know, I
kind of pitied him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's like a lost forty year old guy that's just
like taking ayahuasca and trying to find the meaning of life.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And my pity hall out of it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That guy.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I had pity for Chiefs of hal like, and
he was robbing banks. I don't I don't have any
pity for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
No, I don't have any pity.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Uh So, No, I don't think I'm going to watch it.
It's one of those documentaries that I just I didn't
know I was gonna watch Cheaps Hawk I didn't know
I was going to watch the Death of Steve McNair.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Oh, I still need to watch that.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That one was good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That was good, and it's only an hour.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What about receivers? Have you watched that?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I didn't much. Quarterbacks was fine. It was a little
too corny for me, and it was fine, and I
I'm glad I watched it, but it wasn't good enough
that I wanted to watch. Like It's brother receivers.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
You're like, all right, I get it, And unless you're
like a diehard fan of one of those teams are quarterbacks,
you don't really care.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The only thing that I got out of Quarterbacks was
that I liked a certain player, and the rest were
just kind of like, okay, fine, I kind of already
thought that. Then that player I liked was who do
we all like more? From its cousins?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
For sure?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, I forgot who was even on it and how
his wife dresses him like he was the guy that
I was like, okay, kind of like her cousins. I
think that makes me root for him now. But the rest,
but Mariota was.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
On it, but he didn't really get to do much.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, got benched or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so, but no, I didn't watch receivers. Have you
watched right tackles?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, but I didn't watch kickers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's on food punters, Oh yeah, punters, special teamers, it's
on booth or No, I didn't. Yeah, there is too.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Like I saw a TikTok of like Lamar Jackson talking
to Mark Andrews and I'm like, what's this from? And
apparently there's a Hard Knocks in season.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, on the the entire division and norse right, I
knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I didn't watch it and I didn't remember it,
but we did talk about the entire division.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
M I don't because I think it's on HBO or
whatever something, whatever it is, I.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Don't have it probably yeah, Max, Yeah, Max.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, but that's that's such a quick turnaround.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
It's like a week to week thing.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah. Have you never seen hard Knocks? I have, even
like training camp.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It's a week out and I get it, but I
mean hard that's the only Hard Knocks. I watched the
preseason one. Yeah, but I didn't forgot that there was
an end season and they're literally talking about what happened
two days ago.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I hear you. And the nd season is different because
it isn't, but it's the same time. Difference is the camp.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
No, I get it. And even with the camps, I
was like, gosh, that's a quick turnaround for such a
high quality show like that. It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Now that I agree with.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's like read we're video dudes, like how quick are
they turning that around?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't, dude, I don't even understand how they eat
or sleep or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
What are you talking about now? What I mean? I
didn't know who was talking about. Yeah, it's pretty impressive, players, coaches, everybody.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I wonder how big their staff is though they're editing staff,
producing stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And they're noting it on the fly. They know and
they also know what they're looking for on the fly.
It's different than a reality show where they have people
do stuf. But if they're they want to focus on
certain players, they'll go and they're looking for something that
they can plug into spots and like we got it,
Lamar did this. This is going to go Like they're
having to plan it as they go, which is pretty cool.
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It is why it can be turned over so quick. Yeah,
but you're right, it's quick. I just it felt like
a shot to you that was looking a week and
I was like, that's every it's just a different part
of the year.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I just forgot that there was an end season hard
knocks because if it's not before the season starts, iron't
watching it.
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Oh of course, yes, he was glowing while you were
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
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Speaker 1 (19:06):
Nitty gritty time, What is it like to interview a
coach that you kind of already know what they're about,
Like what happens in that room, Scott that you don't
know that you need to figure out, you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Know, it depends really on how well you know them,
not just as a football person, not just as a
team builder and coach, but as a person. So you know,
there are a couple of different situations in terms of
interview circumstances I've been involved with. And when you know someone,
it's a little bit easier, right, But it's easier for you,
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they don't know where it's going to go. Because when
you're sitting in there, you're sitting in with an owner,
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Speaker 1 (20:11):
How much of an interview is culture, how much is
scheme and is it different regarding who the person is.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's a fascinating question, Bobby, because to me, the least
amount of time should be spent on scheme, because most
people that has sent to a position of having an
opportunity to be a head coach, they've got a scheme.
They've done something in their former job, whether usually a coordinator,
you know, where they know the scheme, They have their scheme.
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And the truth is this, I think that there's you know,
I coached for four years before I became an evaluator
and a scout and then a front office person, and
I played all of my life up until that, so
I knew the game. But I also know that coaches
know the game on a different level than and many
of us that are in other areas. And I say
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this because I think that there's a lot of people
that get into those situations, those circumstances where they know
a little bit and they think that they know more
than they do. So asking a coach about scheme too
many questions. You can ask generic questions but you don't
want to dive deep into it. Most of the time
is more spent on culture. I think it's spent on
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relationships because the most important part of the scheme that
you have to understand is the base elements, so you
can go out and find players and regardless of the
regardless of the power structure and the hierarchy and that
stuff doesn't matter because the moment that the head coach
is hired. I'm a firm believer that the general manager,
vice president, player, person on, whatever that person is, they
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automatically become a servant to the coach to go and
find the players that fit their scheme and fit their personality,
not people that are the same personality, but are actually
that are personality types that can follow the type of
leadership that comes in. I give you great example is
when I was the assistant general manager working under Thomas
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de Mitchef, our general manager at the Falcons. The players
that dan Quinn was looking for schematically were not only different,
but they were different personality makeup type players that were
for dan Quinn versus Bill Belichick, for instance.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Are there times where and it's interesting you brought that up,
because that was what I was curious about. Are there
times where guys come in and you know who your
personnel is. I mean, Kayla Williams would be an example. Now,
whenever Ben Johnson's coming, whomever it's going to be, you
know that's the quarterback. So you're looking for a coach
that is going to be able to utilize the personnel
that you have, versus there could be a coach that's
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going to come in and just go We're going to
start over, start from scratch.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Both of those are options when talking to certain coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right, Yeah, they are both options, And I think that's
where you have to leave your personal ego at the door,
because if you go to you plan on entering these
head coaching relationships for the long term, and if you
try to fit your head coach into a certain scheme
or certain specifications of what your old staff was, that's
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not fair to the person that you're trying to hire.
And really what you have to do is go out
and hire the best person available, the best coach, the
best teacher, the person who's best at player development. And
some of the best players can play regardless of the
scheme they can play. But the thing is, really good
coaches can take players and accentuate the positive and limit
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the limitations, because every player has limitations, so sometimes it
really needs to be a combination of those two things.
And you can't get rid of good players that are
hard workers just because you have to find a way
to meld those two things together but not be stuck in.
I think you may be setting a relationship up for
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a problem. These are the guys that i'd after before,
these are the guys that I brought in. So I've
got to find coach X that has these little these
certain things and force your program to go in a
situation that you think is best because it makes your
life more comfortable than doing what's best for the organization.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think what would be difficult too, but also like
a put a ribbon on the Lions because they were
so good that both coordinators going and take head coaching jobs. Right,
you got DC going to the Jets, I'll see going
to the Bears. They both have their own teams now,
but now you're a head coach, and also you have
all the executives there and you're trying to find an
offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator at the same time.
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That seems like that would be tough.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, attrition is one of the pitfalls of
great success, you know, and when you have success, there
will be attrition, natural attrition, But it's both a blessing
and a curse. Right when those people are leaving, that
means you've done something well. But here's what's important I
think is is Dan Campbell has a really strong reputation
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and people want to work with and for Dan. But
whether they have great alignment. I believe in that organization
is Brad Holmes, their general manager, and some of the
people that are helping. You know, Shila does an amazing
job of letting people do their job. She doesn't act
like she knows things that she doesn't know, but she
does have an important amount of intelligence and leadership ability.
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And then you look through the rest of the organization.
There's folks like Mike Disney. There's folks like you know,
Chris Bielman who are important and very agnew. They have
a lot of really good people in an organization. And
Brad Holmes, who is the leader as the general manager
and the personnel side, He and Dan are completely aligned
on the types of players that they want to bring
in and that they're trying to bring into their program,
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so that is going to make the talent acquisition. I
always talk about things in terms of you know, people
always focus so much on player evaluation and player acquisition.
Really it's about talent because if you're building something that's
going to that's going to last, and you're thinking about
your entire football operation, you're thinking about talent in terms
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of coaches, your football operations, people, your support staff. So
that idea of talent identification, talent acquisition, and talent development
and retention. Brad and Dan are aligned. So my guess
is that, yeah, it's going to be a hit, but
they've got some people that are looking to work there
and or that they can elevate from within.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I wear a bunch of hats if it's radio or
TV or podcasting or books or whatever. I have to
hire people all the time for all different jobs. And
I was explaining to the guys, and it started with
the Rooney rule of how important I think it is
even if you don't hire someone to get a lot
of people in the room, because it's not even about
that moment right there. It's about a relationship maybe begins
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and you learn about them and their maturation as a
coach or an employee. In my world, they're not there yet,
but man, they're on a trajectory too, and you kind
of follow along and it builds for later. And I've
hired so many people a year after an interview for
a different job two years after. So will you talk
about that in terms of what you do when you
interview coaches that probably aren't going to get the job.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, I love this, but it's not just head coaches, right,
it's assistant coaches. Not that you know I ever hired
assistant coaches, but I was around in a part of that.
And Bobby, I love that you're bringing this up, because really,
what's happening in the football world. It's the same in
your industry, right. You want to get the right people
that have talent, but they have more than just you know,
we always talk about height, weight, speed, but talent comes
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in different packages. And you talk about the Rooney rule,
and I just want to touch on this. The importance
and the value of diversity is so critical because people
sometimes get so myopic when they hear the idea of
diversity or the Rooney rule, and they see this as
something that is just colored. They literally see it as
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black and white. But the purpose and the reason for
diversity and bringing in diversity and diverse hiring is not
just in addition to what it looks like. People come
from different backgrounds and different cultures. They bring with them
different thoughts ideas, and we all have this thing called
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implicit bias, right, And they're bringing these ideas and these thoughts.
What you're looking for is diversity of thought, diversity of action.
And when you spend time with people in these interviews,
sometimes the timing isn't right for whatever reason. Sometimes you
don't have the appropriate job for a person. But I
can tell you for sure, you know, I think about
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someone like Monty Austin, for right, who's now the GM
of the Cardinals. Monty came in, I interviewed him, we
didn't hire him immediately. The next year went back to him,
and this was for a scouting assistant position. And then
Monty came to us. He worked for us, and then
he left, but then he came back. Because the circumstances
and the situation, there has to be this marriage of
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circumstances being right. I always talk about player development and
quarterback development being circumstantial. Right. It takes a village, and
there's often been very talented quarterbacks to come into this
league that are brought into the wrong circumstance of development.
Whether it's the head coach, whether it's the staff, whether
it's the culture, whether it's the talent around that person,
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they don't get the chance to develop. And I know it.
This is related to the exact question that you were asking,
is making sure that you're bringing people in under the
right set of circumstances so you can develop them.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
One of my friends we now work together for NFL.
They hired us together, but is Matt Castle. And was
talking to Matt literally yesterday. He was at the house
and so at super cool. NFL hired us. We do
a show together. And first of all, it's annoying because
he's like tall and good looking and like every it's all,
he got all the traits. But he was talking. I
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asked him, I said, who on your headstone, like, who
would be your team? Because he had the Patriots, he
had the Chiefs, and then he had a couple bounds
rounds and he said it would be the Patriots because
here's the guy and he said this that never started
in college and was drafted and was kept around by
an organization and then given a chance, and that chance
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he won eleven games that year and was able to go,
yeah to go, and you end up trading to Kansas
City because there was value there and you had your
quarterback back. So what would you say about Matt cast
what did you see in him? Because again not just
about Matt, but why a quarterback that's never played where?
What did you identify within him?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I love this question and I love this person. First
of all, Matt. I adore Matt and his family, right
and you know, so here's the thing. We had a
scout out there who I was. I was out at USC,
and he said, you know, and they had had during
Matt's time there, they had back to back Heisman Trophy winners,
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two quarterbacks. They was a liner and Reggie Bush Palmer quarterback,
I mean starting out ahead of him. There was this
guy that that that Matt Russell, who was our West
area scout, had brought him up. He mentioned him, and
then another scout mentioned to just just brought him up
while they got so much talent there. And here's the
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thing about programs like that, USC at that point in time,
had backups who could play in the NFL and should
have been drafted. I mean, heck, you know, Clay Matthews
the third didn't. He sat the bench for four years,
didn't play until his senior year. But I remember being
there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks throw
and I'm watching this guy Castle, who was a CEO.
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I was like, this guy's interesting. He had the prototype body,
looked good and you know in terms of quarterback which
were looked for through the ball well, and he had
this really good energy about him. Then as practice starts,
this guy's wearing like one of those pullover pennies on
the kickoff coverage scout team. He's doing anything and everything.
And then at their pro day he threw. And we're like,
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we're firm believers in player development and the value of
drafting a quarterback, trying to draft a quarterback every year
to bring in and develop because you never know what
you're going to be able to develop end or find.
In matt we found a guy who was smart, who
was dedicated, who loved the game, willing to do anything
and everything, and we said, well, you know, I at worst,
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this guy might be able to be a really good
backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him coming out.
Draft him in the seventh round, and you're right, he
becomes a starter. When Brady gets hurt, he helps us
to win eleven games and traded for him and people.
I think Matt ended up doing fourteen or fifteen years
in the league. And when he was in Kansas City,
when Charlie Weis was our coordinator that year, Matt threw
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for twenty seven touchdowns and only seven interceptions, went to
the Pro Bowl, and we won the division. Matt was
also Here's why I say Matt's really smart. Matt was
acutely aware of what he do and what he couldn't do.
He trusted the coaches around him in the right when
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he was at his best. He trusted the coaches around
him to put him in a position to succeed and
not fail. And I know that sounds so basic and generic,
but coaches players aren't always put in a position in
order for them to succeed. And when Matt was put
in that position, he had a great deal of success.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So I know Matt's going to hear this, and I
hope he's gonna whatever he's gonna hear it, I'm gonna
compliment him and it's annoying because MAT's my friend and
it's weird to compliment your friends openly and outwardly. Whenever
we started to work together, and I'm wondering, if this
is a trait with successful quarterbacks? Is where I'm getting
Matt was like, Hey, I want to get good at this,
and I was like, cool. Everybody says they want to
get good at everything. It's easy to say you want
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to get good at something. It's hard to actually put
in the work and take the critique or the criticism
that leads to positivity afterward because some people don't have
the stomach or the skin for it. And so you know,
I will evaluate, I will go and I did all
this work on game tape. I call it like our shows.
I evaluate everything I was doing, Matt was doing. I
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was like, here's how we're gonna grow.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Here's what we did.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I sent him this whole report and he afterward
we had finished working and we're just walking and talking
and he was like, man, I appreciate that so much.
I read this, I'm gonna do that, and I'm going, man, this,
if this is like the successful quarterback way of working,
I need to have more successful quarterback friends because he
just wanted to learn. He took what it wasn't criticism.
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It could it could have been taken as a but
it was what I saw as tools for growth. And
like within like twelve hours, he was doing everything that
was written there for him.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And so Bobby, I'm we could talk about this for hours.
You are nailing. It's going back to what I was
talking about, making sure that you have the right people
and in this situation, the circumstance and the culture you're
going to develop them. At the New England Patriots, we
knew what we were right. We were. It was uncomfortable,
it was emotionally draining at times. It was a lot.
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We were a lot, and we understood that there was
a certain type of makeup and mentality and emotional and
mental endurance that was necessary. We knew Matt had that,
and we intentionally looked out for players. Again, we looked
for prototypical skills, tools, all of that stuff, but there
was a certain type of makeup that was required, and
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you are nailing it. When you talk to Matt, you
sent him that it's it's not You're right, he's not
thin skinned. And because you can't survive never mind survive.
But you can't develop and survive in that program the
way it is wrong or right, fair, unfair, that's what
the program is. We had to find certain people. I
love that you're telling that story because that was one
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of the things about Matt. There were times where it
could get too rough, and I saw that happen to
him at times where you know, that's a very fine
line between critique and criticism and over the top criticism.
And there were times, you know, over his career at
different teams, I saw it. You know, it got too
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much at times and he would pull back, but he
received that, and you're telling that story about him. Those
are the type of people that you look for because
I don't think anyone hires someone You're not bringing him
on as a partner to make his life uncomfortable or unhappy, right.
You want to succeed together, So when you're giving him feedback,
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you're really doing it not just for him, but for
the greater good.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, And I wondered, is that a trait of the
most successful I won't even say quarterbacks, but NFL players?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Hmm, wow, some of the most successful that I've been around,
you know, And again at the Patriots. At the Chiefs,
those were the type of personalities and and the makeup
that we had to hone in on. You know, again,
under Dan Quinn was there was a different style equally
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as effective. Dan's a great coach, and I love Dan.
Dan approaches things and his staff approach things a little
bit differently, so we didn't have to focus on that
as much. Now I'll say this though, they had to
be equally as tough and equally as smart as what
we looked for at the Patriots, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Players coach versus a non players coach. Is that even
a thing anymore?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I honestly never understood the players coach thing, right because
you asked different people. It means different things. Back in
the day when I used to hear people say a
player's coach, those players were the type of people who
were who didn't want to be held accountable. Right, it was.
But I think it has a different I think it
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has a different definition now and I think it's just
they're looking for someone to be more relatable and more Again,
what the word is is deemed to be respectful, not
that it wasn't respectful in the past, but I think
I always have to figure out. When I hear someone
say they like a player's coach again, is that someone
who's saying they're being respectful or they're not holding me accountable.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
How do you feel about assistance interviewing while they're still
in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's you know, I think it's a bad thing. And
and and here's what I'll say is it's the blessing
and the curse because at the years of the Patriots,
we were constantly getting requests for coaches to be interviewed.
Same thing when when you know, when we were at
the Falcons looking for DQ, DQ was in the you know,
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we couldn't talk to him until afterwards, but because he
was with Seattle, it's a real distraction. But I don't
know what the right answer is. We can sit here
and say, well, we have to wait until after the playoffs. Well,
if you wait after the playoffs, here's the reality and
we all know this. I mean, let's what is. There's
going to be tampering. They're going to be people finding
ways to circumvent, circumvent and or break rules, even if
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they're not having direct contact with a candidate. All of
these candidates have close friends, they have agents, They have
people's people out there, they have touch points of people.
So to me, I don't know what the right answer is.
I think is if we do something where we wait
until everyone has to wait until after the playoffs or
the Super Bowl to be interviewed. We have to understand
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that rules are going to be broken and as a league,
we're going to have to be willing to enforce those
rules because there are sometimes we've seen where rules are
out there, they're not fully enforced, and then it becomes
a charade.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I had three final questions, what's it like the week
of the Super Bowl for the head exec because I
know what it's like for a player. I've talked to them.
What are you dialing in double? Are you sending back
chilling double?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
No, there's no chilling because here you're working on the
next season. You're still having draft meetings. Because when you
get done at the Super Bowl, you know it's February.
And this whole idea and concept that coaches are involved.
If you're in the Super Bowl, coaches don't see they
don't see prospects that you're going to draft in April.
They don't see them until February, right because as soon
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as the season's over. They also get a week off
for two weeks off, not the head coach, but the
assistant coaches. So you're still you're preparing for free agency.
You're preparing a plan for the salary cap, you're preparing
a plan for the draft. This way when the season,
I'll never forget. After our first Super Bowl, Belichick and
I are flying back, we're flying back for New Orleans,
and we're huddled up together because that was the year
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actually they were I want to say it was the
year before the Texans came in. We were having this.
We had just won the Super Bowl. We were heading
back to Boston, and here we were trying to side
on the six players that we were going to put
out there as being players that were available for the
expand draft. And there's always work to be done. If
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you're an executive or a front office person and you're
chilling before the Super Bowl, I mean, the Senior Bowls
is going to be the AFC Championship, NFC Championship. For
this weekend, the Senior Bowl's going on. I'm right down
here at the East West right now, I'm leaving from
here to go to the Senior Bowl. You're working on
the future and if you're it's one of those things.
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I look back retrospectively so blessed to go to five
Super Bowls. I look back at those times, part of
me says, I wish I would have enjoyed those moments more.
But quite honestly, if I was enjoying those moments, I
would not have been serving my teammates, meaning the group
that I worked with, and the ownership and the fan
base very well.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I have final two questions. Who is your favorite I say,
I should say most proud of draft pick that wasn't
a first rounder but fourth fifth rounder that ended up
like you bet on him and it turned into the
real deal.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I can't give you a favor. That's I say, I
only have one child, so I can say who's your
favorite child. I can also say my daughter Mia is
my favorite child. But it's like we were so fortunate.
There were so many different I mean, the easy answer
for everyone else is, oh, it has to be Brady,
who you drafted in the sixth round. Well, and not
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me specifically we drafted in the sixth round. But I
think of guys like Dan Copen. You know, I think
there were a lot you just brought up Matt Castle.
Here's a guy we drafted in the seventh round, had
a fourteen year career. I was a part of the
group that that that drafted Grady Jarrett in the fifth round.
I mean, this is I wish I'd have prepared for this.
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But there's you know, there's David Gibbons. I was so
proud of that guy. The list goes on and on
a I mean, I know, I'm not coming up with
a name. Danny Copen was a terrific one. I don't
know how many folks remember Danny Copen, but center that
was so important us. You know at the Patriots and
those championships.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Don't word you have seven names? You like, I don't
have any names.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
You have seven?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You have us plenty. That was that was great. You
are at the You're at the Shrine Bowl. So you're
in Ats and Dallas, right, you're a Jerry's world. That's
where what so what do you do out there? Like,
what's what's the goal?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So actually I do some consulting work for the league,
and part of what they asked me to do is
they bring me down here and also to the Seaming
Bowl and I spend time. I come down early. The
players are arriving right now as we're speaking. But I
spend time meeting with a lot of the coaches because
there's a lot of young assistant coaches that they bring
to the that coach these games, and I'm here as
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a resource for them and to spend time with them
because they all have aspirations to do something more. So
I spend time visiting with them, talking about the NFL,
their future, a lot of questions I get. It's it's
a little mentoring work. And quite honestly, I do get
some folks that reach out as they're looking to hire
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people and they want to know some of the people
and I have, you know, I'm a scout, so I'm
keeping my notebook over here and evaluating some of these
people and how they run meetings. I sit in on meetings.
I listened to install I listened to how they're interacting
with players. I watch how they're interacting with the players.
But then I also spend time with players. So it's
it's it's work that I do that's mentoring and helping
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these you know, younger coaches build for their future.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
The final thing the Family Fund for Women coaches and
Scouts what so why why are you so passionate about this?
And I know this is very important to you. Kind
of explain what it is.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, So I'll give you the background how it started,
and I don't do you remember Katie Sours did the
coach all right? So so Katie was our daughter's fifth
grade basketball coach. That's how I got to know Katie.
And when we hired Katie Uh at the Atlanta Falcons,
it was a I brought her in as an intern,
then we're going to keep her on full time. Offered
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her a job, but the salary wasn't enough because it
was only going to be a one year coaching thing,
and she had home car payments in Kansas City, which
is where she was living, and she needed help with
living expenses if she was going to take this job.
So my wife and I ended up paying for her apartment.
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And that year that she worked with us, when we
went to the Super Bowl, and it was this thing
that came into our minds during this time. Because I'm
gonna be quite honest here. You know, when when it's
time for young men to get jobs, most coaches can say, hey,
come stay at our place, come stay here. There's different
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perceptions of the circumstances when when when you say to
a woman, hey, come stay at our house rights, it's
one of the many, many, many things that is so unfair.
So my wife and I decided to put in Dallas
Fund into Women's Sports Foundation. I'm on the board of
the Women's Sports Foundation. Billy Jean King is a dear
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friend and mentor of mine. And this, this scholarship or
it's a grant, is in place for young women who
are going to be coaches or scouts in the early
part of their career to enables that enables them to
have an opportunity to take care of the bills that
you know, that living expenses and helping pay for their
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rent because there are obstacles that they have that that
that are different, that are different. And you know, I
look back Jennifer King, you know who's been a full
time coach in the NFL for years. She was one
of our first recipients. You know, Jennifer, you know, was
up at Dartmouth coaching for the late Great Buddy Tevens
and she was going to make four thousand dollars that fall,
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but she was able to get money in order to
take that job. She was a head basketball coach head
women's basketball coach won an nai A championship, quit her
job and wanted to coach ball. She needed help so
that that's a large part of what this is.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And for more information, you guys, go to Women's Sports
Foundation dot org. Scott, you're my favorite, Matt and I
will be down to the super Bowl in New Orleans.
If you're around, we'd love to see you. Oh heck
you well, we'll just be it. Well, you'll see us
with the two really good looking guys that are walking around.
You know, two athletically good looking guys. You can't miss us. Scott. Seriously,
you're my favorite and hopefully I will see you soon.
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And thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Thank you, Bobby, appreciate you man.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
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preview Commanders at Eagles Eagles a six point favorite, Let's
go Sprey? Does everyboy think the Eagles are gonna win
eight maynight.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Will I think.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I think that the Eagles will win, but I think
Commanders will cover.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Okay, so is everybody straight up Eagles win? Yes, yeh okay,
so for sure they'll lose great okay. Way, it's like
on game day when they all go Boston College and
then if they all go, uh, it's Eagles minus six,
though I think the Eagles also cover.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Same Eddie, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Washington plus six.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Read this is uh NFL, I think, yeah, oh NFL. Okay,
come out, No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles,
yeah minus six.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Casey, yeah, I think the Eagles will cover.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
And the big one, the main event, Come on, baby,
Bill's the Chiefs. Chiefs Chiefs a point and a half
favorite in Kansas City. Let's just go heads up, straight up.
We don't need to. That's one and a half is
so tight.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
Than't even who is the game? Kevin, I'm gonna go Bills.
Been going with him in the playoffs. I think it's
Josh Allen's year. He's finally like settling down and playing
not too out of control, and he's gonna get it done.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Finally, I'm rolling Chiefs. I've learned never bet against the Chiefs.
As a matter of fact, I've bet with the Chiefs
every time, so I've not learned to not bet against them.
I've learned that if you bet with them, Yes, So
I'm going City Hard. It's gonna be fun too. If
you go to Super Bowl, Kansasity's playing, that's pretty cool.
So I'm going Kansas City. I will not touch the spread.
(50:08):
I will bet money line regardless because it is so tight.
But I'm going Kansas City. Eddie.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
I'm like, you, man, learn from your mistakes, and I've
always I didn't make a mistake, I can know, but
I've always said, like you know, Chiefs, come on, they've
gotta lose. At some point, they've gotta lose. But we've
seen it over and over and over. Man, the Chiefs
are gonna win. Jeef Kingdom, Baby, Jeef Kingdoms.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's my home, that's my homes right, two Chiefs, one
bills read. Chiefs did good for me last year on
the Super Bowl, so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with them.
And they did good for you as you bet them.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Yeah, Casey, Yeah, I mean I think Mahomes is gonna,
you know, have two or three amazing plays that are gonna,
you know, decide this game.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
So Kansas City playoff wins. Patrick Mahomes second all time,
tied with Joe Montana Crazy with sixteen. Tom Brady has
thirty five playoff wins percentages, though Patrick combs eighty four
percent winning percentage in the playoffs, Tom Brady seventy two.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Kevin, you want to say.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
A lot more games?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Definitely, yeah, but sixteen and three a lot more games.
It's a lot more games. Yeah, here, yeah, I love
them both. I don't know, but I know, I think
my home. I'm just saying I love them both. So
a couple of notes before we jump out on today's show.
We are going no, obviously not next week because there
(51:26):
is no game I guess the Pro Bowl games, but
the Super Bowls next week, so we will be in
New Orleans and so far, like on the list, look
at it earlier, we have EMMITTT. Smith.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Deon Sanders, let's go next coach coach by then you
will know, yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Can you imagine, dude, if he ends up being the
coach and we get to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, by then you will know.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
So who else do we have? Okay, Reggie Bush and
Greg Olson, said Nico Collins. Nico Collins, Yeah, some of
them waiting for a final, final confirmation. But yeah, Nico Collins.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
So and what about Jordan Peel, No key.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
He's doing our other show.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay, yeah, you can be there, you'll be I want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
He's so funny, Michael. So that's going to happen. So
it's going to be a good trip. One of you
will not be able to go to the super Bowl
because I have four tickets for five people, and that
one of the four will be Kevin, Mike Reed or Eddie.
This has not been settled already. I've not had any
conversations outside of the show. Here's what we're going to
do on Monday's show. We will get it down to
(52:37):
two people who will not be able to go, and
so we are going to play a game on Monday's
show of twenty five whistles, and we'll draw that who's
playing who in the game, and if you lose, you
aren't out, but somebody else is going to lose as well,
and they're not out. But then they will play a
game and then that lot and possibly it's going to
(52:58):
be connected for because they have the game here. But
pas not. I'm gonna spend over the weekend looking at
board games.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
It's not that squid game game that you bought, is it.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Okay, we have to pick somebody. I don't want someone
going thinking they get to go to the super Bowl
and they don't get to go.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Okay, yeah, so we'll do that Monday show. By the way,
roughing the Passer on all quarterbacks if you guys saw
this or not. As far as what's.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Up, Kevin's already doesn't want to talking about this.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Per one hundred attempts called, people that got the most
roughing the passer calls, Matt Ryan was number one. This
is all time, Ryan Fitzpatrick at two, Russell Wilson at three,
Stafford a four, Rogers at five, Wow at six, Tannehill
at seven, Gone at eight, Josh Allen, yeah, at nine,
(53:47):
Cam Newton. And so now we're getting down to where
So first of all, not even the top ten are
Mahomes and Brady right, well, one of them is in
the top ten. They come in at number ten.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
This is kind of destroying your theory a little bit yours. No,
it's not not at all, Tannehill. They're not trying to
protect him.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
No, bring they're just killing him, some of them, some
of them side to protected. They're just like, he just
gets killed because off of thee. I'm sorry, Cam Newton
has that many just because he was such a running quarterback.
At number ten is Tom Brady gets gets Tom Brady
got way more calls than Patrick Mahomes, but bigger sample size,
bigger sample size, and now it's per one hundred so
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there's no sample size.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I got him.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, data, dude, data.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Brady gets in the top ten. Yeah. Do you have Wentz, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Mahomes. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
So this list is all over the place.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
It sounds pretty easily all over the place. If Pearl
it's it's it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
I'm just saying the names are all over the place.
The names are all over there.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
There's no pattern. Definitely, I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
NFL quarterbacks who started you've never heard.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
You've never heard Ryan Tannehill, Tom Brady before and.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Two was not on there too.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Either.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Well, he got rough in once in about three months,
got rough once it was out nine months.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Poor guys.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
The last thing that I will say is we can
conclude on this, Eddie, you might have to bring a
suit with you on this trip.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh sure for the super Bowl, no problem. We sitting
in the owner suite.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I don't think I can officially announce it, but I
think that I am presenting NFL Honors Wow on the
TV show. I think. And so if they're like, you
bring you have to bring somebody, I'll let you know
you meant to bring a suit.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
Okay, so if he gets to go to that, he
doesn't go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Fair point. We'll talk about it Monday.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
That's not a fair point.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
But wow, Mike, but that would be cool to go
to that, right with all the athletes?
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, so you may have to bring a suit. I'm
not confirmed.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Am I getting on stage with you?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah? We're doing it together. So okay, we're doing it together.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
And he shows up in a Romo jersey.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wist Stuck and they are wearing whist So, yeah, it's
too bad, but what did you expect. It's a podcast
called twenty five Whistles.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Whine Whin, I blow the whistle. So I'll start with this.
Eddie has broken arm, which we've talked about. He gets
sadder as the show goes because we're, ok, yeah, we're
basically afternoon now, and Eddie's starting to get kind of
saddened down. And I heard someone say what's up, and
he goes, my percocet's wearing off.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, the pain pills is starting to come down, man,
and it hurts. It's it's like, uh, like all morning
it feels, you know, like like something's not right, but
it doesn't hurt. And then when it starts wearing down,
like you start feeling a little pulsating around.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
My throbbing in the arm.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Then you realize, like, man, it's time for another dose.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Do you have the doses with you?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm down, they're at home.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Are you driving yourself? In? No, I got I got driving.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
What's the mainly mainly because I drive a stick.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Because you're on percocet.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, If that's the case, I would just skip out
and then take it while I'm here and then it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
How many can you take a day? Every six hours?
Do you look forward to that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean this is the stuff that people get
like hooked on, right for sure. I mean, but it
doesn't make me feel like, yeah, I want to party.
It makes me feel like I just want to go
to bed and like just chill.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But I just chill. Is a feeling that people chase.
That's smoking weed, right. I never smoke weed, but I'm
assuming you smoke weed. You're just like, hey, i's want
a chill. I don't think it makes you want to party.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But then afterwards you feel all groggy and moody.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I had to take percocet dry sockets in my mouth
once ihead. My boys don't be taken out miserable, like
three months of just his torture, and I had to
take per except for that. And I liked him so
much that it's at one point I dumped it on
the toilet because I liked him so much. I feel
that did that was Yeah, it was Breed calling to
(03:17):
cancel his draft kings. He was winning so much. It's responsible, Yeah, exactly,
irresponsible gambler. Well, we're rooting for you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But then did you also hear read like, hey, you
got any extras?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I did not want to come on. I did not
hear him to say that. A couple of things. As
we start the show, I'm seeing more and more rumors
about the NFL taking the fourth or the on side
kick and making it basically a fourth and twenty. We
saw the onside kick last week too. I think that's
a great idea, Like you want the ball back convert
(03:48):
a fourth and twenty. At least there is an opportunity there.
They said, they said.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was what a good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I would say good. I would say more than five percent,
but I wouldn't say one and four. I say, les,
there's twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because like, what's the percentage on an on side kick
the way it is now?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So they said five percent this season, that's nothing and
I felt like that was hot.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I was going to say that seems.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, that was because I never see them recover. I'm
sure they do in games that I missed, but if
you see an on its like kick recovery, that's amazing.
I was like a Dodo bird, like a rare Dodo
you see running down the road. I like that. And
I think that's an XFL ish type rule. And the
kickoff rule that they had changed this year, it has
(04:28):
changed me in no way whatsoever. I don't hate it.
I don't love it. It's how I felt about the
kickoff and they can on lyast say, look, we're doing
things to keep people from getting concussions. Right, it's not
a stupid rule they've put in, but also it's not
made the game like way more fun. But I think
the benefit of that kickoff rule is the NFL can
go look at what we're doing to prevent forest fires
(04:49):
and concussions.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Smoky.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And the fourth and twenty is where where you would
normally kick the ball off.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It doesn't matter because I don't know that you get
the ball at that spot, so I don't know. The
role is not there. It very very well could be.
But my point is, I don't know that it's that
spot because if you throw a touchdown or you get
to the five yard line, you get to keep it
at the five. Probably not they got to tweak that.
I would think that it just goes back to some
normal midfield fish type line because that's where an onside
(05:16):
kick would be recovered. Yeah, so that's the first thing
I read. I think that would be a great move.
So second thing, the Cowboys coach maybe shot in hybrid.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Dude, I know what's stupid?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Really?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I saw that too, and I'm like, it's not sexy.
It's not exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Sexy's not always exciting, and it's sexy's not always great sexy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't know why it's that sexy, but you know
what I mean, it's not very like Dion, Like I
guess that would be considered sexy because it's out like
a pick. That'd be like, whoa, what are you serious?
Dion prime time is gonna be the coach of the
Dallas Cowboys, but Shottenheimer and Brian is that name?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, and he's the now he's the OC now.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But he didn't even call plays.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That part's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
McCarthy called all the plays by waffle house menu.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I would think that it would be weird, weird
that the OC that gets the head coaching job wasn't
the play caller, except for that McCarthy is a really
great play caller, like that's what he's known for. And also,
if you're the OC under somebody who's really great at
what they do, I'm sure that you're picking up some
stuff too, Not that he needed it, but if they
came today and they may say this, we record this
at Thursday afternoon and then it loads at midnight on Friday,
(06:30):
but let's say tonight or Friday. Schottenheimer's a coach. Your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
In other waste of season?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't think Brian. I mean, Brian's already been there, right,
So I don't think it's going to change anything. I
don't think you're going to be looking at a whole
different Dallas Cowboys team. I think it's just going to
remain the same thing. We're just going to kill another
year of football. And and I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Would be more than a season though, mean, if he's
the head coach.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Four yeah, okay, four seasons lost, that's a whole presidential term.
It is, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think when things are really I'll use your word
sexy and exciting, Usually that's just short term fun and
not long term greatness. So I'm not saying that Brian
Schottenheimer is the answer. But sometimes those hires where you're
like who what when? Like it's really smart people making
(07:26):
those decisions. I'm not. Maybe Jerry's allowing other people to
come in and help him with this. I don't hate
it because it's so take your lunch pail to work. Yeah,
decision that A lot of times those work out. I
don't see this being a disaster. If he's the coach,
(07:49):
I think the floor is higher, But I don't know
where the ceiling is with him at all.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I just feel like if Brian was the dude, they
would have made him the OC and he would have
had FaceTime. I mean, I forgot that Brian Schottenheimer was
the OC. Honestly, I forgot to look like I just
looked them up.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I think again, if it's almost any coach other than
than McCartney, he's calling plays, So I wouldn't take that
as man. He must not be that good because you
had one of the greatest play callers offensive NFL minds
calling plays. So listen, if I were a Cowboys fan,
I would want something exciting and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, even like when you said Cliff Kingsbury, that's cool,
that would be that's kind of sexy. It's pretty sexy.
And he's kind of sexy. Okay, like the ladies like him.
If for sexy, Oh yeah, I know somebody who looked
up with him for a while.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I can't tell you. I can't tell you that's a
bond dude, and I can't. I can't. I can't tell
you it's been a while. It's been a while, so nothing.
I don't know what his personal life has now been,
Mary with kids, don't have spent a long time. I
can tell you out there so Sexydon one very sexy,
Cliff two. Cliff two is very sexy. Who's the three?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean not in the traditional sexy way, but I
think the third sexiest coach for the Dallas Cowboys could
be Riverboat Ron.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No, I don't think he's sexy. I think he is
somebody you bring in to plug a hole, to create
some stability.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Have they talked to Romo about what coming back?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Because that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't know if they've talked to.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's sexy.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We've talked about three. He's still coaching right now. I
feel like he'd be on your list. He's still coaching
right now, offensive coordinator Moore. Who would you rather have,
Kellen Moore or Brian Cornelia Schottenheimer. Yeah, that's legit.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I guess I'd have Kellen Moore. I feel like I
know more of his work.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But I think that's why, And that's the answer, right,
That's why you want him because you know more about him.
It doesn't mean that you know or you feel like
he's actually better based on so Yeah, it's a lunch.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Pal higher if he does what a mess?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Uh so? Brian Schottenheimer, Oh, see for the Seahawks, the Jets,
the Rams, University of Georgia. Was an assistant coach with
the Redskins, Chargers, Colts, and Jaguars. His dad is fifty
one years old.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Marty Marty. Yeah, Marty was the coach of Franco where
the San Diego Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh Chargers, they always like fell short every season. Yeah
that's good.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That's kind of where Chargering came from.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, good luck to you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, thank you man. We'll wait and see hopefully if
some of those sexies come in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I hope people watch a little bit of Cheaps of
Holly because it's interesting and the chiefs are still in
it and it's the guy that robbed the banks. What
about the Aaron Rodgers documentary?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, man, that keeps popping up like every time, you know,
like you hover over the thumbnail and then they so
they showed a little clip or whatever, and I watched
it today and look at my wife, I'm like, should
we watch this? And she was like, that's kind of
interesting because she knows Jordan Rodgers and she knows him
she I mean from The Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, well that's knows of Jordan Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No, my wife doesn't know Jordan Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well that's how you said it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, but no, also, like just kind of the whole
story of them being, you know, having family fights or whatever,
him not getting along with the family. So we thought
about it, but I can't. I can't pull the trigger
on it. I don't know if I can take what
is it, two hours of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, same, That's why I can't. I don't like Aaron
Rodgers and by the way, I used to like Aaron
Rodgers a lot. I think when we started this podcast
this season, I was like, well, it's going, but it's
He's sufferable.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So does anyone.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Wants I started it and I got timon and it's
just boring.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You quit Chiefs of Hollic though, and you.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, because I hate the Chiefs too. But I don't
hate Aaron Rodgers' starting this again. We're starting this again.
I don't hate Aaron Rodgers, but it's just it was
just boring. I don't know, it's just him being Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I might like a little bit. Yeah, you know, I
kind of pitied him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's like a lost forty year old guy that's just
like taking ayahuasca and trying to find the meaning of life.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And my pity hall out of it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That guy.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I had pity for Chiefs of hal like, and
he was robbing banks. I don't I don't have any
pity for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
No, I don't have any pity.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Uh So, No, I don't think I'm going to watch it.
It's one of those documentaries that I just I didn't
know I was gonna watch Cheaps Hawk I didn't know
I was going to watch the Death of Steve McNair.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Oh, I still need to watch that.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That one was good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That was good, and it's only an hour.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What about receivers? Have you watched that?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I didn't much. Quarterbacks was fine. It was a little
too corny for me, and it was fine, and I
I'm glad I watched it, but it wasn't good enough
that I wanted to watch. Like It's brother receivers.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
You're like, all right, I get it, And unless you're
like a diehard fan of one of those teams are quarterbacks,
you don't really care.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The only thing that I got out of Quarterbacks was
that I liked a certain player, and the rest were
just kind of like, okay, fine, I kind of already
thought that. Then that player I liked was who do
we all like more? From its cousins?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
For sure?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, I forgot who was even on it and how
his wife dresses him like he was the guy that
I was like, okay, kind of like her cousins. I
think that makes me root for him now. But the rest,
but Mariota was.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
On it, but he didn't really get to do much.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, got benched or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so, but no, I didn't watch receivers. Have you
watched right tackles?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, but I didn't watch kickers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's on food punters, Oh yeah, punters, special teamers, it's
on booth or No, I didn't. Yeah, there is too.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Like I saw a TikTok of like Lamar Jackson talking
to Mark Andrews and I'm like, what's this from? And
apparently there's a Hard Knocks in season.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, on the the entire division and norse right, I
knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I didn't watch it and I didn't remember it,
but we did talk about the entire division.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
M I don't because I think it's on HBO or
whatever something, whatever it is, I.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Don't have it probably yeah, Max, Yeah, Max.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, but that's that's such a quick turnaround.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
It's like a week to week thing.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah. Have you never seen hard Knocks? I have, even
like training camp.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It's a week out and I get it, but I
mean hard that's the only Hard Knocks. I watched the
preseason one. Yeah, but I didn't forgot that there was
an end season and they're literally talking about what happened
two days ago.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I hear you. And the nd season is different because
it isn't, but it's the same time. Difference is the camp.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
No, I get it. And even with the camps, I
was like, gosh, that's a quick turnaround for such a
high quality show like that. It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Now that I agree with.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's like read we're video dudes, like how quick are
they turning that around?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't, dude, I don't even understand how they eat
or sleep or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
What are you talking about now? What I mean? I
didn't know who was talking about. Yeah, it's pretty impressive, players, coaches, everybody.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I wonder how big their staff is though they're editing staff,
producing stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And they're noting it on the fly. They know and
they also know what they're looking for on the fly.
It's different than a reality show where they have people
do stuf. But if they're they want to focus on
certain players, they'll go and they're looking for something that
they can plug into spots and like we got it,
Lamar did this. This is going to go Like they're
having to plan it as they go, which is pretty cool.
(15:12):
It is why it can be turned over so quick. Yeah,
but you're right, it's quick. I just it felt like
a shot to you that was looking a week and
I was like, that's every it's just a different part
of the year.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I just forgot that there was an end season hard
knocks because if it's not before the season starts, iron't
watching it.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So are we building a parlay?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Mike, No, I don't have to see.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Here's the thing. No, here's the thing. I'm I suck
at parlays, and I'm happy to do one. And everybody
can bet and lose.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Your pictures on it their faces.
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That's even worse. Yeah, I know, because then I lose.
But there are other things I like to do. I
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the Commanders last week that money line that the Commanders
and Detroit. Wait, I didn't bet that at all. To
spread the other three I hit hit all three of them.
I did miss championship games. Feel pretty good. Then ye
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and a half they had to kick that field goal.
So I feel pretty good about just going like, here's
one or two. But I think when I like stack three,
that's tough. Yeah, so other people are great at it.
For me, then I'm just like not even for sure
about a third one. I'm not for sure about anything.
I'm not even for sure about a third one, but
I'm like, let me just throw one in. And that's
usually what sinks the boat, you know. But okay, I
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Speaker 3 (18:13):
Oh of course, yes, he was glowing while you were
talking to he was like nodding along with him.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
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Scott Pioli for many reasons, and so to have you
on to ask you these questions, I am so excited
about it. So thank you for spending a little bit
of time with us.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, thank you, and thanks for having me. I tell you,
when Eric reached out, I was really excited. So thank
you very very much for having me back. It's no
thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Nitty gritty time, What is it like to interview a
coach that you kind of already know what they're about,
Like what happens in that room, Scott that you don't
know that you need to figure out, you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Know, it depends really on how well you know them,
not just as a football person, not just as a
team builder and coach, but as a person. So you know,
there are a couple of different situations in terms of
interview circumstances I've been involved with. And when you know someone,
it's a little bit easier, right, But it's easier for you,
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but maybe sometimes tougher for them because because you know them,
they don't know where it's going to go. Because when
you're sitting in there, you're sitting in with an owner,
You're sitting in with other people that are going to
help you make the decision, because it's never just one
person makes a decision, so it's and you don't I
was never in a situation where I would want to
give that person the answer to the questions, if that
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makes sense. So the most important thing you have to
be careful is if you know someone that you don't
miss important topics and questions that need to be asked
that you're going to be asking for other candidates, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
How much of an interview is culture, how much is
scheme and is it different regarding who the person is.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's a fascinating question, Bobby, because to me, the least
amount of time should be spent on scheme, because most
people that has sent to a position of having an
opportunity to be a head coach, they've got a scheme.
They've done something in their former job, whether usually a coordinator,
you know, where they know the scheme, They have their scheme.
(20:42):
And the truth is this, I think that there's you know,
I coached for four years before I became an evaluator
and a scout and then a front office person, and
I played all of my life up until that, so
I knew the game. But I also know that coaches
know the game on a different level than and many
of us that are in other areas. And I say
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this because I think that there's a lot of people
that get into those situations, those circumstances where they know
a little bit and they think that they know more
than they do. So asking a coach about scheme too
many questions. You can ask generic questions but you don't
want to dive deep into it. Most of the time
is more spent on culture. I think it's spent on
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relationships because the most important part of the scheme that
you have to understand is the base elements, so you
can go out and find players and regardless of the
regardless of the power structure and the hierarchy and that
stuff doesn't matter because the moment that the head coach
is hired. I'm a firm believer that the general manager,
vice president, player, person on, whatever that person is, they
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automatically become a servant to the coach to go and
find the players that fit their scheme and fit their personality,
not people that are the same personality, but are actually
that are personality types that can follow the type of
leadership that comes in. I give you great example is
when I was the assistant general manager working under Thomas
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de Mitchef, our general manager at the Falcons. The players
that dan Quinn was looking for schematically were not only different,
but they were different personality makeup type players that were
for dan Quinn versus Bill Belichick, for instance.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Are there times where and it's interesting you brought that up,
because that was what I was curious about. Are there
times where guys come in and you know who your
personnel is. I mean, Kayla Williams would be an example. Now,
whenever Ben Johnson's coming, whomever it's going to be, you
know that's the quarterback. So you're looking for a coach
that is going to be able to utilize the personnel
that you have, versus there could be a coach that's
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going to come in and just go We're going to
start over, start from scratch.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Both of those are options when talking to certain coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right, Yeah, they are both options, And I think that's
where you have to leave your personal ego at the door,
because if you go to you plan on entering these
head coaching relationships for the long term, and if you
try to fit your head coach into a certain scheme
or certain specifications of what your old staff was, that's
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not fair to the person that you're trying to hire.
And really what you have to do is go out
and hire the best person available, the best coach, the
best teacher, the person who's best at player development. And
some of the best players can play regardless of the
scheme they can play. But the thing is, really good
coaches can take players and accentuate the positive and limit
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the limitations, because every player has limitations, so sometimes it
really needs to be a combination of those two things.
And you can't get rid of good players that are
hard workers just because you have to find a way
to meld those two things together but not be stuck in.
I think you may be setting a relationship up for
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a problem. These are the guys that i'd after before,
these are the guys that I brought in. So I've
got to find coach X that has these little these
certain things and force your program to go in a
situation that you think is best because it makes your
life more comfortable than doing what's best for the organization.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think what would be difficult too, but also like
a put a ribbon on the Lions because they were
so good that both coordinators going and take head coaching jobs. Right,
you got DC going to the Jets, I'll see going
to the Bears. They both have their own teams now,
but now you're a head coach, and also you have
all the executives there and you're trying to find an
offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator at the same time.
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That seems like that would be tough.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, attrition is one of the pitfalls of
great success, you know, and when you have success, there
will be attrition, natural attrition, But it's both a blessing
and a curse. Right when those people are leaving, that
means you've done something well. But here's what's important I
think is is Dan Campbell has a really strong reputation
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and people want to work with and for Dan. But
whether they have great alignment. I believe in that organization
is Brad Holmes, their general manager, and some of the
people that are helping. You know, Shila does an amazing
job of letting people do their job. She doesn't act
like she knows things that she doesn't know, but she
does have an important amount of intelligence and leadership ability.
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And then you look through the rest of the organization.
There's folks like Mike Disney. There's folks like you know,
Chris Bielman who are important and very agnew. They have
a lot of really good people in an organization. And
Brad Holmes, who is the leader as the general manager
and the personnel side, He and Dan are completely aligned
on the types of players that they want to bring
in and that they're trying to bring into their program,
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so that is going to make the talent acquisition. I
always talk about things in terms of you know, people
always focus so much on player evaluation and player acquisition.
Really it's about talent because if you're building something that's
going to that's going to last, and you're thinking about
your entire football operation, you're thinking about talent in terms
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of coaches, your football operations, people, your support staff. So
that idea of talent identification, talent acquisition, and talent development
and retention. Brad and Dan are aligned. So my guess
is that, yeah, it's going to be a hit, but
they've got some people that are looking to work there
and or that they can elevate from within.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I wear a bunch of hats if it's radio or
TV or podcasting or books or whatever. I have to
hire people all the time for all different jobs. And
I was explaining to the guys, and it started with
the Rooney rule of how important I think it is
even if you don't hire someone to get a lot
of people in the room, because it's not even about
that moment right there. It's about a relationship maybe begins
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and you learn about them and their maturation as a
coach or an employee. In my world, they're not there yet,
but man, they're on a trajectory too, and you kind
of follow along and it builds for later. And I've
hired so many people a year after an interview for
a different job two years after. So will you talk
about that in terms of what you do when you
interview coaches that probably aren't going to get the job.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, I love this, but it's not just head coaches, right,
it's assistant coaches. Not that you know I ever hired
assistant coaches, but I was around in a part of that.
And Bobby, I love that you're bringing this up, because really,
what's happening in the football world. It's the same in
your industry, right. You want to get the right people
that have talent, but they have more than just you know,
we always talk about height, weight, speed, but talent comes
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in different packages. And you talk about the Rooney rule,
and I just want to touch on this. The importance
and the value of diversity is so critical because people
sometimes get so myopic when they hear the idea of
diversity or the Rooney rule, and they see this as
something that is just colored. They literally see it as
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black and white. But the purpose and the reason for
diversity and bringing in diversity and diverse hiring is not
just in addition to what it looks like. People come
from different backgrounds and different cultures. They bring with them
different thoughts ideas, and we all have this thing called
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implicit bias, right, And they're bringing these ideas and these thoughts.
What you're looking for is diversity of thought, diversity of action.
And when you spend time with people in these interviews,
sometimes the timing isn't right for whatever reason. Sometimes you
don't have the appropriate job for a person. But I
can tell you for sure, you know, I think about
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someone like Monty Austin, for right, who's now the GM
of the Cardinals. Monty came in, I interviewed him, we
didn't hire him immediately. The next year went back to him,
and this was for a scouting assistant position. And then
Monty came to us. He worked for us, and then
he left, but then he came back. Because the circumstances
and the situation, there has to be this marriage of
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circumstances being right. I always talk about player development and
quarterback development being circumstantial. Right. It takes a village, and
there's often been very talented quarterbacks to come into this
league that are brought into the wrong circumstance of development.
Whether it's the head coach, whether it's the staff, whether
it's the culture, whether it's the talent around that person,
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they don't get the chance to develop. And I know it.
This is related to the exact question that you were asking,
is making sure that you're bringing people in under the
right set of circumstances so you can develop them.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
One of my friends we now work together for NFL.
They hired us together, but is Matt Castle. And was
talking to Matt literally yesterday. He was at the house
and so at super cool. NFL hired us. We do
a show together. And first of all, it's annoying because
he's like tall and good looking and like every it's all,
he got all the traits. But he was talking. I
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asked him, I said, who on your headstone, like, who
would be your team? Because he had the Patriots, he
had the Chiefs, and then he had a couple bounds
rounds and he said it would be the Patriots because
here's the guy and he said this that never started
in college and was drafted and was kept around by
an organization and then given a chance, and that chance
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he won eleven games that year and was able to go,
yeah to go, and you end up trading to Kansas
City because there was value there and you had your
quarterback back. So what would you say about Matt cast
what did you see in him? Because again not just
about Matt, but why a quarterback that's never played where?
What did you identify within him?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I love this question and I love this person. First
of all, Matt. I adore Matt and his family, right
and you know, so here's the thing. We had a
scout out there who I was. I was out at USC,
and he said, you know, and they had had during
Matt's time there, they had back to back Heisman Trophy winners,
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two quarterbacks. They was a liner and Reggie Bush Palmer quarterback,
I mean starting out ahead of him. There was this
guy that that that Matt Russell, who was our West
area scout, had brought him up. He mentioned him, and
then another scout mentioned to just just brought him up
while they got so much talent there. And here's the
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thing about programs like that, USC at that point in time,
had backups who could play in the NFL and should
have been drafted. I mean, heck, you know, Clay Matthews
the third didn't. He sat the bench for four years,
didn't play until his senior year. But I remember being
there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks throw
and I'm watching this guy Castle, who was a CEO.
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I was like, this guy's interesting. He had the prototype body,
looked good and you know in terms of quarterback which
were looked for through the ball well, and he had
this really good energy about him. Then as practice starts,
this guy's wearing like one of those pullover pennies on
the kickoff coverage scout team. He's doing anything and everything.
And then at their pro day he threw. And we're like,
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we're firm believers in player development and the value of
drafting a quarterback, trying to draft a quarterback every year
to bring in and develop because you never know what
you're going to be able to develop end or find.
In matt we found a guy who was smart, who
was dedicated, who loved the game, willing to do anything
and everything, and we said, well, you know, I at worst,
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this guy might be able to be a really good
backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him coming out.
Draft him in the seventh round, and you're right, he
becomes a starter. When Brady gets hurt, he helps us
to win eleven games and traded for him and people.
I think Matt ended up doing fourteen or fifteen years
in the league. And when he was in Kansas City,
when Charlie Weis was our coordinator that year, Matt threw
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for twenty seven touchdowns and only seven interceptions, went to
the Pro Bowl, and we won the division. Matt was
also Here's why I say Matt's really smart. Matt was
acutely aware of what he do and what he couldn't do.
He trusted the coaches around him in the right when
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he was at his best. He trusted the coaches around
him to put him in a position to succeed and
not fail. And I know that sounds so basic and generic,
but coaches players aren't always put in a position in
order for them to succeed. And when Matt was put
in that position, he had a great deal of success.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So I know Matt's going to hear this, and I
hope he's gonna whatever he's gonna hear it, I'm gonna
compliment him and it's annoying because MAT's my friend and
it's weird to compliment your friends openly and outwardly. Whenever
we started to work together, and I'm wondering, if this
is a trait with successful quarterbacks? Is where I'm getting
Matt was like, Hey, I want to get good at this,
and I was like, cool. Everybody says they want to
get good at everything. It's easy to say you want
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to get good at something. It's hard to actually put
in the work and take the critique or the criticism
that leads to positivity afterward because some people don't have
the stomach or the skin for it. And so you know,
I will evaluate, I will go and I did all
this work on game tape. I call it like our shows.
I evaluate everything I was doing, Matt was doing. I
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was like, here's how we're gonna grow.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Here's what we did.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I sent him this whole report and he afterward
we had finished working and we're just walking and talking
and he was like, man, I appreciate that so much.
I read this, I'm gonna do that, and I'm going, man, this,
if this is like the successful quarterback way of working,
I need to have more successful quarterback friends because he
just wanted to learn. He took what it wasn't criticism.
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It could it could have been taken as a but
it was what I saw as tools for growth. And
like within like twelve hours, he was doing everything that
was written there for him.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And so Bobby, I'm we could talk about this for hours.
You are nailing. It's going back to what I was
talking about, making sure that you have the right people
and in this situation, the circumstance and the culture you're
going to develop them. At the New England Patriots, we
knew what we were right. We were. It was uncomfortable,
it was emotionally draining at times. It was a lot.
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We were a lot, and we understood that there was
a certain type of makeup and mentality and emotional and
mental endurance that was necessary. We knew Matt had that,
and we intentionally looked out for players. Again, we looked
for prototypical skills, tools, all of that stuff, but there
was a certain type of makeup that was required, and
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you are nailing it. When you talk to Matt, you
sent him that it's it's not You're right, he's not
thin skinned. And because you can't survive never mind survive.
But you can't develop and survive in that program the
way it is wrong or right, fair, unfair, that's what
the program is. We had to find certain people. I
love that you're telling that story because that was one
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of the things about Matt. There were times where it
could get too rough, and I saw that happen to
him at times where you know, that's a very fine
line between critique and criticism and over the top criticism.
And there were times, you know, over his career at
different teams, I saw it. You know, it got too
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much at times and he would pull back, but he
received that, and you're telling that story about him. Those
are the type of people that you look for because
I don't think anyone hires someone You're not bringing him
on as a partner to make his life uncomfortable or unhappy, right.
You want to succeed together, So when you're giving him feedback,
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you're really doing it not just for him, but for
the greater good.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, And I wondered, is that a trait of the
most successful I won't even say quarterbacks, but NFL players?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Hmm, wow, some of the most successful that I've been around,
you know, And again at the Patriots. At the Chiefs,
those were the type of personalities and and the makeup
that we had to hone in on. You know, again,
under Dan Quinn was there was a different style equally
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as effective. Dan's a great coach, and I love Dan.
Dan approaches things and his staff approach things a little
bit differently, so we didn't have to focus on that
as much. Now I'll say this though, they had to
be equally as tough and equally as smart as what
we looked for at the Patriots, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Players coach versus a non players coach. Is that even
a thing anymore?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I honestly never understood the players coach thing, right because
you asked different people. It means different things. Back in
the day when I used to hear people say a
player's coach, those players were the type of people who
were who didn't want to be held accountable. Right, it was.
But I think it has a different I think it
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has a different definition now and I think it's just
they're looking for someone to be more relatable and more Again,
what the word is is deemed to be respectful, not
that it wasn't respectful in the past, but I think
I always have to figure out. When I hear someone
say they like a player's coach again, is that someone
who's saying they're being respectful or they're not holding me accountable.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
How do you feel about assistance interviewing while they're still
in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's you know, I think it's a bad thing. And
and and here's what I'll say is it's the blessing
and the curse because at the years of the Patriots,
we were constantly getting requests for coaches to be interviewed.
Same thing when when you know, when we were at
the Falcons looking for DQ, DQ was in the you know,
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we couldn't talk to him until afterwards, but because he
was with Seattle, it's a real distraction. But I don't
know what the right answer is. We can sit here
and say, well, we have to wait until after the playoffs. Well,
if you wait after the playoffs, here's the reality and
we all know this. I mean, let's what is. There's
going to be tampering. They're going to be people finding
ways to circumvent, circumvent and or break rules, even if
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they're not having direct contact with a candidate. All of
these candidates have close friends, they have agents, They have
people's people out there, they have touch points of people.
So to me, I don't know what the right answer is.
I think is if we do something where we wait
until everyone has to wait until after the playoffs or
the Super Bowl to be interviewed. We have to understand
(39:29):
that rules are going to be broken and as a league,
we're going to have to be willing to enforce those
rules because there are sometimes we've seen where rules are
out there, they're not fully enforced, and then it becomes
a charade.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I had three final questions, what's it like the week
of the Super Bowl for the head exec because I
know what it's like for a player. I've talked to them.
What are you dialing in double? Are you sending back
chilling double?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
No, there's no chilling because here you're working on the
next season. You're still having draft meetings. Because when you
get done at the Super Bowl, you know it's February.
And this whole idea and concept that coaches are involved.
If you're in the Super Bowl, coaches don't see they
don't see prospects that you're going to draft in April.
They don't see them until February, right because as soon
(40:20):
as the season's over. They also get a week off
for two weeks off, not the head coach, but the
assistant coaches. So you're still you're preparing for free agency.
You're preparing a plan for the salary cap, you're preparing
a plan for the draft. This way when the season,
I'll never forget. After our first Super Bowl, Belichick and
I are flying back, we're flying back for New Orleans,
and we're huddled up together because that was the year
(40:41):
actually they were I want to say it was the
year before the Texans came in. We were having this.
We had just won the Super Bowl. We were heading
back to Boston, and here we were trying to side
on the six players that we were going to put
out there as being players that were available for the
expand draft. And there's always work to be done. If
(41:04):
you're an executive or a front office person and you're
chilling before the Super Bowl, I mean, the Senior Bowls
is going to be the AFC Championship, NFC Championship. For
this weekend, the Senior Bowl's going on. I'm right down
here at the East West right now, I'm leaving from
here to go to the Senior Bowl. You're working on
the future and if you're it's one of those things.
(41:24):
I look back retrospectively so blessed to go to five
Super Bowls. I look back at those times, part of
me says, I wish I would have enjoyed those moments more.
But quite honestly, if I was enjoying those moments, I
would not have been serving my teammates, meaning the group
that I worked with, and the ownership and the fan
base very well.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I have final two questions. Who is your favorite I say,
I should say most proud of draft pick that wasn't
a first rounder but fourth fifth rounder that ended up
like you bet on him and it turned into the
real deal.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I can't give you a favor. That's I say, I
only have one child, so I can say who's your
favorite child. I can also say my daughter Mia is
my favorite child. But it's like we were so fortunate.
There were so many different I mean, the easy answer
for everyone else is, oh, it has to be Brady,
who you drafted in the sixth round. Well, and not
(42:19):
me specifically we drafted in the sixth round. But I
think of guys like Dan Copen. You know, I think
there were a lot you just brought up Matt Castle.
Here's a guy we drafted in the seventh round, had
a fourteen year career. I was a part of the
group that that that drafted Grady Jarrett in the fifth round.
I mean, this is I wish I'd have prepared for this.
(42:41):
But there's you know, there's David Gibbons. I was so
proud of that guy. The list goes on and on
a I mean, I know, I'm not coming up with
a name. Danny Copen was a terrific one. I don't
know how many folks remember Danny Copen, but center that
was so important us. You know at the Patriots and
those championships.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Don't word you have seven names? You like, I don't
have any names.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
You have seven?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You have us plenty. That was that was great. You
are at the You're at the Shrine Bowl. So you're
in Ats and Dallas, right, you're a Jerry's world. That's
where what so what do you do out there? Like,
what's what's the goal?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So actually I do some consulting work for the league,
and part of what they asked me to do is
they bring me down here and also to the Seaming
Bowl and I spend time. I come down early. The
players are arriving right now as we're speaking. But I
spend time meeting with a lot of the coaches because
there's a lot of young assistant coaches that they bring
to the that coach these games, and I'm here as
(43:38):
a resource for them and to spend time with them
because they all have aspirations to do something more. So
I spend time visiting with them, talking about the NFL,
their future, a lot of questions I get. It's it's
a little mentoring work. And quite honestly, I do get
some folks that reach out as they're looking to hire
(43:59):
people and they want to know some of the people
and I have, you know, I'm a scout, so I'm
keeping my notebook over here and evaluating some of these
people and how they run meetings. I sit in on meetings.
I listened to install I listened to how they're interacting
with players. I watch how they're interacting with the players.
But then I also spend time with players. So it's
it's it's work that I do that's mentoring and helping
(44:21):
these you know, younger coaches build for their future.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
The final thing the Family Fund for Women coaches and
Scouts what so why why are you so passionate about this?
And I know this is very important to you. Kind
of explain what it is.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, So I'll give you the background how it started,
and I don't do you remember Katie Sours did the
coach all right? So so Katie was our daughter's fifth
grade basketball coach. That's how I got to know Katie.
And when we hired Katie Uh at the Atlanta Falcons,
it was a I brought her in as an intern,
then we're going to keep her on full time. Offered
(44:56):
her a job, but the salary wasn't enough because it
was only going to be a one year coaching thing,
and she had home car payments in Kansas City, which
is where she was living, and she needed help with
living expenses if she was going to take this job.
So my wife and I ended up paying for her apartment.
(45:19):
And that year that she worked with us, when we
went to the Super Bowl, and it was this thing
that came into our minds during this time. Because I'm
gonna be quite honest here. You know, when when it's
time for young men to get jobs, most coaches can say, hey,
come stay at our place, come stay here. There's different
(45:41):
perceptions of the circumstances when when when you say to
a woman, hey, come stay at our house rights, it's
one of the many, many, many things that is so unfair.
So my wife and I decided to put in Dallas
Fund into Women's Sports Foundation. I'm on the board of
the Women's Sports Foundation. Billy Jean King is a dear
(46:01):
friend and mentor of mine. And this, this scholarship or
it's a grant, is in place for young women who
are going to be coaches or scouts in the early
part of their career to enables that enables them to
have an opportunity to take care of the bills that
you know, that living expenses and helping pay for their
(46:25):
rent because there are obstacles that they have that that
that are different, that are different. And you know, I
look back Jennifer King, you know who's been a full
time coach in the NFL for years. She was one
of our first recipients. You know, Jennifer, you know, was
up at Dartmouth coaching for the late Great Buddy Tevens
and she was going to make four thousand dollars that fall,
(46:47):
but she was able to get money in order to
take that job. She was a head basketball coach head
women's basketball coach won an nai A championship, quit her
job and wanted to coach ball. She needed help so
that that's a large part of what this is.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And for more information, you guys, go to Women's Sports
Foundation dot org. Scott, you're my favorite, Matt and I
will be down to the super Bowl in New Orleans.
If you're around, we'd love to see you. Oh heck
you well, we'll just be it. Well, you'll see us
with the two really good looking guys that are walking around.
You know, two athletically good looking guys. You can't miss us. Scott. Seriously,
you're my favorite and hopefully I will see you soon.
(47:21):
And thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Thank you, Bobby, appreciate you man.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
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preview Commanders at Eagles Eagles a six point favorite, Let's
go Sprey? Does everyboy think the Eagles are gonna win
eight maynight.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Will I think.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I think that the Eagles will win, but I think
Commanders will cover.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Okay, so is everybody straight up Eagles win? Yes, yeh okay,
so for sure they'll lose great okay. Way, it's like
on game day when they all go Boston College and
then if they all go, uh, it's Eagles minus six,
though I think the Eagles also cover.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Same Eddie, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Washington plus six.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Read this is uh NFL, I think, yeah, oh NFL. Okay,
come out, No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles,
yeah minus six.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Casey, yeah, I think the Eagles will cover.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
And the big one, the main event, Come on, baby,
Bill's the Chiefs. Chiefs Chiefs a point and a half
favorite in Kansas City. Let's just go heads up, straight up.
We don't need to. That's one and a half is
so tight.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
Than't even who is the game? Kevin, I'm gonna go Bills.
Been going with him in the playoffs. I think it's
Josh Allen's year. He's finally like settling down and playing
not too out of control, and he's gonna get it done.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Finally, I'm rolling Chiefs. I've learned never bet against the Chiefs.
As a matter of fact, I've bet with the Chiefs
every time, so I've not learned to not bet against them.
I've learned that if you bet with them, Yes, So
I'm going City Hard. It's gonna be fun too. If
you go to Super Bowl, Kansasity's playing, that's pretty cool.
So I'm going Kansas City. I will not touch the spread.
(50:08):
I will bet money line regardless because it is so tight.
But I'm going Kansas City. Eddie.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
I'm like, you, man, learn from your mistakes, and I've
always I didn't make a mistake, I can know, but
I've always said, like you know, Chiefs, come on, they've
gotta lose. At some point, they've gotta lose. But we've
seen it over and over and over. Man, the Chiefs
are gonna win. Jeef Kingdom, Baby, Jeef Kingdoms.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's my home, that's my homes right, two Chiefs, one
bills read. Chiefs did good for me last year on
the Super Bowl, so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with them.
And they did good for you as you bet them.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Yeah, Casey, Yeah, I mean I think Mahomes is gonna,
you know, have two or three amazing plays that are gonna,
you know, decide this game.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
So Kansas City playoff wins. Patrick Mahomes second all time,
tied with Joe Montana Crazy with sixteen. Tom Brady has
thirty five playoff wins percentages, though Patrick combs eighty four
percent winning percentage in the playoffs, Tom Brady seventy two.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Kevin, you want to say.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
A lot more games?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Definitely, yeah, but sixteen and three a lot more games.
It's a lot more games. Yeah, here, yeah, I love
them both. I don't know, but I know, I think
my home. I'm just saying I love them both. So
a couple of notes before we jump out on today's show.
We are going no, obviously not next week because there
(51:26):
is no game I guess the Pro Bowl games, but
the Super Bowls next week, so we will be in
New Orleans and so far, like on the list, look
at it earlier, we have EMMITTT. Smith.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Deon Sanders, let's go next coach coach by then you
will know, yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Can you imagine, dude, if he ends up being the
coach and we get to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, by then you will know.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
So who else do we have? Okay, Reggie Bush and
Greg Olson, said Nico Collins. Nico Collins, Yeah, some of
them waiting for a final, final confirmation. But yeah, Nico Collins.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
So and what about Jordan Peel, No key.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
He's doing our other show.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay, yeah, you can be there, you'll be I want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
He's so funny, Michael. So that's going to happen. So
it's going to be a good trip. One of you
will not be able to go to the super Bowl
because I have four tickets for five people, and that
one of the four will be Kevin, Mike Reed or Eddie.
This has not been settled already. I've not had any
conversations outside of the show. Here's what we're going to
do on Monday's show. We will get it down to
(52:37):
two people who will not be able to go, and
so we are going to play a game on Monday's
show of twenty five whistles, and we'll draw that who's
playing who in the game, and if you lose, you
aren't out, but somebody else is going to lose as well,
and they're not out. But then they will play a
game and then that lot and possibly it's going to
(52:58):
be connected for because they have the game here. But
pas not. I'm gonna spend over the weekend looking at
board games.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
It's not that squid game game that you bought, is it.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Okay, we have to pick somebody. I don't want someone
going thinking they get to go to the super Bowl
and they don't get to go.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Okay, yeah, so we'll do that Monday show. By the way,
roughing the Passer on all quarterbacks if you guys saw
this or not. As far as what's.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Up, Kevin's already doesn't want to talking about this.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Per one hundred attempts called, people that got the most
roughing the passer calls, Matt Ryan was number one. This
is all time, Ryan Fitzpatrick at two, Russell Wilson at three,
Stafford a four, Rogers at five, Wow at six, Tannehill
at seven, Gone at eight, Josh Allen, yeah, at nine,
(53:47):
Cam Newton. And so now we're getting down to where
So first of all, not even the top ten are
Mahomes and Brady right, well, one of them is in
the top ten. They come in at number ten.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
This is kind of destroying your theory a little bit yours. No,
it's not not at all, Tannehill. They're not trying to
protect him.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
No, bring they're just killing him, some of them, some
of them side to protected. They're just like, he just
gets killed because off of thee. I'm sorry, Cam Newton
has that many just because he was such a running quarterback.
At number ten is Tom Brady gets gets Tom Brady
got way more calls than Patrick Mahomes, but bigger sample size,
bigger sample size, and now it's per one hundred so
(54:25):
there's no sample size.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I got him.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, data, dude, data.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Brady gets in the top ten. Yeah. Do you have Wentz, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Mahomes. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
So this list is all over the place.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
It sounds pretty easily all over the place. If Pearl
it's it's it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
I'm just saying the names are all over the place.
The names are all over there.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
There's no pattern. Definitely, I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
NFL quarterbacks who started you've never heard.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
You've never heard Ryan Tannehill, Tom Brady before and.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Two was not on there too.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Either.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Well, he got rough in once in about three months,
got rough once it was out nine months.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Poor guys.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
The last thing that I will say is we can
conclude on this, Eddie, you might have to bring a
suit with you on this trip.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh sure for the super Bowl, no problem. We sitting
in the owner suite.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I don't think I can officially announce it, but I
think that I am presenting NFL Honors Wow on the
TV show. I think. And so if they're like, you
bring you have to bring somebody, I'll let you know
you meant to bring a suit.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
Okay, so if he gets to go to that, he
doesn't go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Fair point. We'll talk about it Monday.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
That's not a fair point.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
But wow, Mike, but that would be cool to go
to that, right with all the athletes?
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, so you may have to bring a suit. I'm
not confirmed.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Am I getting on stage with you?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah? We're doing it together. So okay, we're doing it together.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
And he shows up in a Romo jersey.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Right, that's it. Thank you guys. Uh go check out
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the videos to this, please do please subscribe. I hope
you have a great rest of the day and great weekend.
And we will see you next week. All right, goodbyeybody
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