Lots to Say: Preseason Performances and Super Bowl Champion LeRoy Butler

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel are dealing with 100 degree days and a dog eating a sandwich!  Matt was impressed this week by Raiders RB Ashton Jeanty and looks forward to Pete Carroll's impact in Las Vegas.  Joe Flacco is the obvious choice for the Browns, but how good can Dillon Gabriel be? Caleb Williams found his rhythm with the Bears and will it shut down the noise? Matt recalls hearing criticisms in his first year in KC.  Jaxson Dart is getting confident in the Giants offense and is Cam Ward still uncomfortable? Bobby explains all the 'easter eggs' around the debate over Taylor Swift being the Super Bowl halftime show. 

Super Bowl Champion LeRoy Butler opens with the impact that Bobby Bowden had on his life and getting him to FSU.  Matt recalls getting fined for doing the Lambeau Leap while in KC and getting fined. LeRoy talks about the fun things in Green Bay, why it's special, and why he stayed for his entire career.  Who was the one player LeRoy said 'no' to covering in his rookie year?  LeRoy explains why Coach Ray Rhodes was so important to his career. What does LeRoy expect from Jordan Love this season and how does the team improve the secondary?

Matt is getting ready for College Football and his first game with Michigan.  What would Bobby be willing to sacrifice for Arkansas to win 10 games? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots just save.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lots to save? What the father here and
we hooked? You say because we got lost? Just say, yeah,
we got lots to say.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that welcome the riveting conversations we have before
the podcast starts. And today's was weather. And I used
to never be the guy that thought it was too
hot to do anything. Yeah, I loved playing golf at
three because nobody would be on the course because it
was so high. I love anything. And you said, do
you play pickleball? And have you recentized? Like dude, No,

(00:54):
Like I don't do things now because it's too hot.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
It's too hot, like at nine am in the morning.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Like is it weather or is it age? Like what's
getting worse here?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
No, it's definitely weather.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
I mean we've been sitting at like that ninety five
threshold with the humidity where you just walk outside. I
mean I literally this weekend changed my shirt three times
in a three hour period just because I was doing
some stuff in the garden, working and stuff like that.
And I'm sitting there and going what is going on,
and there's no reprieve from it.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Even when you're in the shade, it's still so it sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
It sucks, it sucks, and it never sucked. And so
I start to thinking maybe I'm just getting older. But
then I did look, and it's the hottest it's ever
been on Earth, generally on Earth on Earth.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, that that doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
I feel that like some places aren't as hot, but
generally speaking, we're up year to year, decade to decade,
and Tampa just had its first ever.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
This is unbelievable to me, one hundred degree day.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Tampa had a one hundred degree day. I can't believe
Tampa's never had a hundred. Oh that's what I was
just about to say.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Ever, first one hundred degree day ever. You know who
has had a one hundred degree day is Honolulu, Hawaii.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yeah, that's a pretty nice place. I'm not gonna lie.
It's always pretty nice down there or out there.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Still, I think it'd be hot.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I would have expected Tampa to have had a thousand.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
I've been over to Orlando in the summer going to
Disneyland with my kids. Worst mistake ever of your life
because you're out there and it is just you're dripping,
and you're in shorts and you're soaking wet. It feels
like you just gotta have a shower, but you know
that you're going to go the entire day.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
You can't drink enough water either.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Going from memory, here, do you know what cities had
the most one hundred degree days?

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Most one hundred degree days? Going from memories?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I should google this, but it has to be a city,
so it has to be an area where you know,
there's the news.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
There's the news.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I made that up, but like a rated media market.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
Okay, it's got to be somewhere in the South. Okay, Okay,
I'm going to go with Birmingham, Alabama.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Not bad.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
What I saw that was over one thousand, one hundred
degree days was Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
City, Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now, I think.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Phoenix is the heat leader of all time. Phoenix logs
about one hundred and eleven days per year where high
is hit one hundred degrees fahrenheit, more than any other city.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
It's a dry heat though they always say, oh, well
it's a no when it's one hundred and fifteen degrees
out and I've been there in the desert.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
When it's that time, you're still melting.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, it's different, though it is different because you don't
sweat as much and it doesn't feel like you're breathing
in a blanket.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
It still feels it's still your face is melting.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, it still sucks.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Before I came down here, I had made a sandwich
and it was a great sandwich. And when I do
this show, nobody cares, but please indulge me for a second.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Wake up, butt crack early, go and I do the
radio show. I do like all the commercials in.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
The morning, I cut all my city liners for you know,
the two hundred cities we're in. I then go on
the air and do my thing. Then we do like
a whole extra hour podcast. And today I had interviews
with Chase Elliott, the NASCAR driver had the ting Tings
and they were in Spain. Remember the song That's not
My Name? Don't That's not my name? They called me

(04:12):
Stacey at them. I had Blake Shelton today, I had.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
My God, it was just as a heavy day, a
pretty busy day.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
And so I run and I got here like ten minutes,
maybe not even ten five minutes before you got here,
but I pulled in. Took a good, solid four minutes
to make a sandwich. A good sandwich because good sandwich.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
So what's a good sandwich consistent?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, I don't even saw my day down enough to
appreciate the sandwich, but I think I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Do it good.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So I got my bread.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Okay, what kind of bread did we go with? We're
like a whole green guy.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I'm really a white bread guy. That's what I grew
up on.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Bread.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, my wife does not like that as much.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Because it's not healthy.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So it's some sort of healthier bread, right, Not even
sure what kind of bread it is.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
But my wife made steak and cut it into sun
So I put the steak on the bread. Then I
sliced two tomatoes.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yes, did you toast it?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
The bread was not to I don't like them. My
bread toasted for sandwiches.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Yeah, I put must.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I put a little spinach things on it, and I
was like, you know what, I'm gonna take five minutes
and slow down my day and enjoyed this sandwich before
we do this show.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And so I take like three bites. My wife is upstairs.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
She's like, hey, would you mind bringing me a water,
and I was like, you cook the steak, I don't
mind bringing a water.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Sure, I take sandwich, put it up on the bar
in the kitchen and walk up.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I come back down and there is no sandwich on
the bar, and there's two dogs below the bar. One
of the dogs is a short, fat bulldog who's just
like hanging out. The other dog is a very tall
like husky hound who's licking her lips. Oh dude, No,
they're both staring at.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Me, like, thank you so much for that great sandwich.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
The bulldog got none. She ate the whole freaking thing.
I ate three bites of this sandwich. It had to
be twenty seconds. She devoured it. There was nothing left
except that licking her lips dog and at paper towel.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
So that's why you walked in. You're a little bit
hot when you walked in it. At least that's what.
I spent good time on that sandwich.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Yourself, no lunch, and you're sitting here and you kind
of walked in.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
So stupid Bobby Bones was in the house and nothing.
Now I know, I'm a little good. Oh my god,
you get a protein bar. No, I need to.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Give myself a few minutes to do things to pack
the day so tight. But yeah, today was an exceptionally
heavy interview day.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
But you don't have any food over there at the
studio that they can like put out a little something.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
For you or make the time.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Really, Yeah, I've got to I gotta eat. I'm one
of those people.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
If I don't eat, I'm gonna be a different type
of person. I'm gonna be irritable. I'm gonna say things
and be snap. I'm gonna snap at one of my kids.
I'm gonna do that. But if I eat, I'm all good.
I'll have a little bit more patient. So if you
snap at me today, I'm totally with you.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I unders you're not generally in any way whatsoever. I
don't snap, I don't yell, period. And I think that
was a good way to go through that. Brandon and
Kevin in different capacities because Brandon, who's running video, is
a plus guitar player, a plus singer both, and Brandon
still plays with me. I would say with me, he
does most of the work and makes me look like

(07:16):
I'm good, right and so so Brandon and I have
been on the road for years and years together.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I don't think I've ever yelled once.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Right, I mean, he's never yelled at you anybody.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't yell.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Kevin and I work in the radio radio podcast world
together every day.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's not my style at all.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
No, No, your voice, No, you never raise your voice.
But does he is it like a disappointed dad when
he talks? Oh, that can happen. You can turn Brandon's Mike.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
On too passionate about this, Branda, go ahead, Yes, where
it's like it's a little bit passive, but you know, oh,
it's definitely passive.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
It's one of those things where I'm not going to
hit you with the aggressive nature, but at the same time,
you're gonna know I'm disappointed.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, I can agree with that.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah. Oh yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's almost worse.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
It's almost worse because you because you can't figure out
in his mind, like what you did wrong, but you
know you did something.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I think people can figure it out pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I think I'm just not aggressive in any way, and
I'm not a angry, snap kind of guy. I'm I'm
gonna lose energy guy.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah, I could see that. How do you not crash
if you don't eat?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, I'm trying to get below like one eighty right now?

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Why it's football seasons? You want it ready?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
The real reason I'm glad you asked because I was
a look confused myself as watch because I'm not on
television consistently now, so I don't care when I was
on television all the time, I like to keep it
around one seventy two, one seventy three.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Are you one of those believers that like camera puts
on a few.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Pounds believer it's absolute truth.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Oh, I'm gonna look, so it's absolute true.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
And so you know when I was doing whatever show,
I like to stay around one seventy two, one seventy three.
And I weighed myself yesterday, I'm like one eighty one.
I've been trying to get below the one eighty mark
only because I have one shirt that I don't really
look great in and I don't really care about the number.
But if I drop like five pounds, I'm gonna look
great in the shirt.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
So the whole goal is just to be able to
wear this one one shirt.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
And why why is the shirt something that represents like
that you want to wear it? Thank you for asking,
and it's it's that meaning thank.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
You for asking. I found it on eBay.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's a like a nineteen seventies Arkansas razorback polo coaches shirt.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Oh. I thought there's going to be a jersey.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
No, I to get a bigger jersey, but with like
a big coaches caller.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
It's so legit.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
And I think sizes were smaller back then because we
weren't as fat as a society. Yes, and so it's
a it's a legitimate nineteen seventies medium. Now I can
wear a legitimate twenty twenty five medium, but this is
a nineteen seventies medium, and it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
A little trim.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, we need to and I need to get I
want to do for the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I just want to wear the shirt one time, look good.
I never have to wear it again, and I can
put on any amount of waste wrap it.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
But I want to wear the shirt and feel good
because I love the shirt so much.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
That's very cool. So you've never worn the shirt never.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I put it on whenever I got it, and I
was like, I'm trying to wear it for a week one.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
No, I don't think I can get there for a
week one. Come on, coach, but it's some dude.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
It's such a legit shure you gotta wear into a game.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's such a legit shirt. Glad everybody's here. Let's do
our thing where we don't know what each other's gonna
talk about. We got a few things to present. You
want to go first this week?

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Sure, go ahead first. I'm going to start with Ashton Gent.
Did you see this dude run the other day.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, he's a maniac.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
He's a maniac.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
I mean he runs with such violence and he goes
out there and punishes people that are would be tacklers
that are coming up to try to make a tackle
on him. He's so much fun to watch. He brings
just this energy to the team. And he even went
into the blue tint for a second, I thought he
was going to be you know, it's preseason game that
what does the matter, comes right back out and runs
through some defender's face. I mean, the guy is special.

(10:48):
If I get a sandwich, might get a sandwich. I
think he did eat before the game.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
I get a sandwich, definitely ate before the game.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
So watching him, I was excited about that because there
was a lot of hype behind him in college and
obviously coming out he goes to the Raiders. I thought
it was a great draft pick and when you watched
him on the field, you see immediately what he's going
to bring to that team.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Do you find yourself rooting? I know rooting is a
weird word when you're in your profession. Rooting for the
Raiders a little more because coach Carroll is the coach there.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Oh, one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
I think NFL it's all about relationships, and especially when
you leave the game, it's guys that you played with,
maybe coaches that you've come across or they coached with you,
and so you're always rooting for those.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Type of people.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
And Coach Carroll's one of those guys that I will
always have an affinity for, even though he never played
me in college other than a position that I didn't
want to play, but at the same time an amazing guy,
and so I want to see him have success and
be able to turn that organization around.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Do we want to commit?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
And I know we both have busy schedules, You're a
busy guy doing your college football. Do we want to
commit to going out there once this year?

Speaker 5 (11:52):
We need to that stadium looked out amazing.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
When we went out to Big ten media day was
right across the street from the Mandalay Bay where we stayed,
and that place, I heard is incredible.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
And I've never met coach Carroll before.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Oh, you guys would get a hit it off right away.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
He's just so personable and he's funny.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I don't even know if he's got any enemies. He's
one of those guys. He's super.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I only have enemies. It's the opposite.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Well, they're they're gunning for you when you're after the year,
they're gunning for you.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Bro, That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
The Ashton gent.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Situation is interesting to me because he run so hard
even during preseason, where I'm like.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Bro, like, there is part of that take a third of.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
A step back because it ain't that important and too
a back like that is going to hit so many
people so hard so many times.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That the nature of it is that you're going to
get dinged.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
That's the nature of the beast, especially at the running
back position, is longevities of a running back in the
NFL is a lot shorter than other positions just because
of the punishment. Not only that they take, but they
give out as well. In that type of running style,
he will have to learn how to protect himself when
when there's you're by the sideline and there's two defenders
coming up, instead of trying to run him over, step

(13:08):
out of bounce, save yourself. Somebody that does it really
will well is Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Tyreek Hill is one of those guys. Look, when he
knows the plays over, he's gonna go down.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
He's gonna protect himself, and I think that helps with
his longevity. But at the same time, you don't want
it to take away from the strength of his game,
which is his physicality.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
He's also changed his running style, which they addressed way
early on, and that he's not going to stand straight
up and just chill. He is going to I mean,
it's an of a difference change. He is down a bit, right,
but he's going to be a man out there until
or unless he gets hurt.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Oh, He's he is a man. You saw it the
other day.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Okay, I'll go let's take our little airplane over to Cleveland.
And something we've been talking about a bit everybody is
a quarterback situation in Cleveland, and I'll start with Joe Flacco.
He has been named, as we expected, the opening day
starter for the Browns, and so we'll talk about this
in a few different ways.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
One Flacco is the guy there. Now they have.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Two rookie quarterbacks, and they have Kenny Pickett, who they
just traded for, which is interesting because they're gonna have
to cut two of the five quarterbacks. So I think
Snoop's gone hotly Snoops gone because they brought him in
late just in case. I think he's gone. I think
Kenny Pickett is also probably going to be gone, and
they just traded for him. Flacco is the guy. I

(14:38):
don't think they see any future with Pickett being like
the guy looking forward for the next couple of years.
And then you look at the preseason games and yea,
I glaziuder a little last week for sure, But I
would also like to glaze for a second. Dylan Gabriel
and I know a lot of people go away through
a pick six. I watched the pick six from like
three different angles, and so I'll get really granular here

(15:00):
for a second. The two receivers were both in the
same exact say bought somebody ran the wrong route on
that interception.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Well, it was a tight end, right, the tight end
had the flat, then you have the deep crosser, and
then you had the guy behind him.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
So when the tight end.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Felt like he was covered, what he did was he
ran behind the defender and so he then all of
a sudden, he clouded the crossing route.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Right, there's two guys in the same area.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
Then it looked like he was coming back forward and
gave Dylan Gabriel the impression that he was going to
come back to the ball. He throws it, he pulled
his hands back and then he pulled his hands back
like wait, that's not for me. Yes, And that's what
the interseid actually screwed by the wide receiver on that
and even Kevin Stefansi mentioned that after the game we
had two guys in the same area. It should have
never happened. It was the one blimp on the entire performance.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I would also like to glaze fairly Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
He was a stud.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
He was, and he's not getting that he was a
stud credit because of the pick six, because I don't
think if you just look at the headline, you see
that he threw the pick six and looking at it
in real time fast it was.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Like a bad pass. They dude never got touched, right.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Dylan Gabriel played really well with a slightly more sophisticated
offensive scheme in week two, and so Flaco's the guy
they trade Snoop. They probably are gonna trade pick it
unless one of the rookie stays hurt. Shoudar didn't play
because of an oblique injury. Dylan Gabriel did also. Dylan Gabriel,
this has been talked about a bunch, but I knew

(16:24):
when he said that there are performers and their entertainers whatever,
that I knew he wasn't talking about Shuldar one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
He's not gonna throw shade on You're going to be
in the same room. Everybody's going to take it the
way that they're gonna take it. But at the end
of the day, that's not the type of person I
got to sit down with Dylan Gabriel last year. You've
met Dylan Gabriel when you're out at Oregon, didn't you
last spring. He's an incredible person. He's a team first guy,
and he would never say anything that is going to

(16:49):
bring animosity toward each other in that room.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
That's just not the way he operates.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I put Flaco one and Dylan Gabriel and Shoulder at
two and two A.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
I think that's what you're going to go with.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
I mean, and I think it was a really important
performance by Dylan Gabrie because again, the pressure was all
on him to go out there to perform after Shador
went and played the way that he did in the
first preseason game. But it was throw after throw. He
was in rhythm, the accuracy was there, the timing. He
looked like he was a guy that could operate that
offense at a really high level.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
It'll be interesting to see because Cleveland hits a really
rough patch. Well Cleveland's not that good, so most of
their seasons a rough patch, so it'll be interesting to
see what happens with that situation. I just wanted to
come on and fairly give Dylan Gabriel his flowers as well,
because I thought he played really well and he was kind.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Of screwed over on that interception.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
So Flaco week one, Dylan Gabriel is still it too, well,
can't you?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Pickett? Ha is still listed it too. I just don't
consider him existing anymore. I think they can.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Probably him yet he's been hurt.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, invest abilities availability, he doesn't have it, and he's
not the guy.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, you're not the guy. And when you're in a
quarterback battle, Yeah, you have to be able to go
out there and play to prove yourself to the evaluators,
to your coaching staff, to your team and everybody. And
if you don't get that opportunity, whether you're hurt or not,
then you're gonna be the guy, the odd man out.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
All right, your next it all right.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Caleb Williams first first appearance that we got to see
him this season with Ben Johnson new offensive scheme. A
lot has been made about him this offseason in terms
of what they wanted, timing, footwork, all those things. I
think he had an outstanding day When you watched him,
his pocket presence, the ball was coming out on time,

(18:34):
he was in rhythm. And I think when you watch
Caleb Williams, some of the knocks on him was that
he would hold the ball, he'd look for the big play,
scramble around, not throw in rhythm. He was completely in
rhythm in this game. And the anticipation the second throw
of the game down the middle, I think it was
a Colston lovelin the tight end over the lineback.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
It was an absolute dart. He made throw after throw.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
I was really impressed, and you've got to feel good
if you're Ben Johnson watching that, because he's been harping
on this kid and pushing him, trying to get the
best out of him and preaching this all offseason, and
to get there first outing to go out there and
perform the way that he did it was great.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
I have no dog in the fight about Caleb Williams
and the Bears because I don't love or hate either
the team or the player. So this comes from a
place where I have no bias at all. I was
happy to see him perform well because everything the entire
narrative was he can't keep up with the offense, and
they would snip and clip little things from practice like
look at him uffing and puffing after he's so sad

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he's marching off the field, or the.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
Bad interception that he threw that one thing that went
viral and everybody, oh Bears are gonna suck.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
The engagement getter was anything where Caleb Williams was sucking
in practice, and so I was happy to see him
perform well because that shuts that down at least for
a while, And it would be nice to see the
Bears be good.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, that would be kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
They've got some weapons.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
And I do think Ben Johnson's one of those coaches
that's going to get the most out of his players
because he's going to demand excellence. He's going to set
an expectation and you've got a rise to that ex dictation.
And because of that reason, he's going to make that
group better.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
DJ Moore romandons.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
They just drafted the water sup from.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
The rookie TI. Yeah, Luthor Burden and so third.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh, that's a good point because the second I was like, man.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Third, second, let's go.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Third, let's go.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, they've got some dudes.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
My second topic that I'd like to bring is I
heard you mentioned on a podcast this week and I'm
not sure if it ever got back to you. I
was listening to Nick Wright. Are you with Nick right
from your Cans City days?

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (20:39):
Yeah, I didn't like him, and I'll be the first
one he probably knows it too.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
He's always the guy in.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
The presser that would come in be like Castle, looks
like you're behind on that past.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
What happened on that one interception.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
I was like, dude, the guy fell down, but you
can't explain it, like, oh, that's on me. He just
he was looking to just ruin you every.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Time is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
So as I don't know Nick at all, massive Kansity
fan obviously, Yeah, I think he is one of the smartest.
He is sports commentators. He's like the guy and I'm like,
dude's brilliant. That being said, he was talking about when
and he had addressed these Shuder talking to a reporter
situation in Cleveland after Shouldar has Week one preseason and he's.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Like, hey, why he talks about but he was kind
of kidding.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Shoulder was smiling, but he was actually asking the question right,
and he was he said, you know this happens.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
He's like, it's not uncommon.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
And he had mentioned a time where you were in
and you kind of said the same thing with him, yeah,
and he was like why you were like, Yo, why
you write this?

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Like like, you know, I probably did, dude, because I
was I had to see his ass every day.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
He was like a beat report. I was like, oh God,
here comes Nick again.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
And he's a really smart, intelligent guy, like he studies
the game.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
He knows this stuff.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
I mean, but there were football questions too that it
was out of his realm, but he could articulate something
to make a point, and so then I probably, I'm.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
For sure said it.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
At some point I was just so frustrated, like, dude,
what's your deal?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
And those questions usually only come when it's a frustrating
time for the player answering.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
It's not when things are going great and we're going
to the playoffs. It's it's always when I first get
there and it's my first season with the Kansas City
Chiefs and we're four and twelve. My number one wide
receiver is out for six games that year, and we
couldn't get anything going. We won four games, like we struggled. So,
I mean, it just added fuel to the fire. And

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so of course every single time I come in, you know,
Castle gets a new contract, comes in and we suck. Well, Castle,
you suck. And so that's basically him to a team.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Now.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
The tone changes a little bit the following year when
we go out and we win the division. But again
it's always dealing with the highs and lows. But when
it's low, they're just they smell blood in the water.
They're coming to get you.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Oh he wasn't being disrespectful you.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
He was just talking about that same situation with you
whenever you were frustrated and you were like, Yo, why
are you writing stuff all the time about me like
this when it's not fair to write it?

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Yeah, well, sometimes you just got to ask. But that's
what sells, right, controversy, cells and all that stuff, and
that's why they do it.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
All right, you're up? Am I up again? Yeah? I
had Jackson Dart had another name.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I got all his dats. He was awesome.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
It was awesome.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
I mean, the did just looks like he's been in
this offense forever and I think that they've done some
stuff day ball has schematically that he did at Old
Miss that made him comfortable. But it's it's always interesting
too because even if you watch the sequence of plays,
they get him in a rhythm early right, they have
some screen passes, some shorter stick three step routes, and
then all of a sudden they start to push the

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ball down the field. But some of the throws he
made over the middle, the one that it was a
deep middle crossing route that he threw in front of
the safety over the linebacker.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
That was awesome.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
They did a little play fake that was a touchdown pass.
He just looks very confident, he looks ready. He looks ready.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I know preseason, that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
You got a temper expectations here, but it's preseason. But
at the same time, preseason is the precursor two season,
and you want to see guys go out and look comfortable,
have command of the offense, and have success.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
And that's exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Game two versus the Jets fourteen to sixteen, one to
thirty seven, one passing touchdown, one rushing touchdown.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's a second game.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
In a row where he's really looked good and he's
had dynamic moments, but the best part, he's had very
consistent moments, even throwing short like he again, you'll never
go broke if you take a profit, right, and that's
what he's decision making.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, it's all about decision making, especially when you see
a lot of these young guys come in they're trying
to make a play.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
It doesn't look like he's forcing anything. He's seeing the defense.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
It looks like it's slowed down for him and he's
confident with where he's going with the ball.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Speaking of I made notes. I watched all the cam
Ward's Game two snaps. He was two for seven. He
didn't look the best, although they weren't really stretching him.
He threw a great ball that was dropped like his
best ball.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Oh ball, the the deep crossing route?

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
To Jefferson.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I haven't lost any faith in cam Ward again because
it's preseason Game two.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
He threw seven times.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Through seven times?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, I have. I want by the way, you know
he's not good is who's about Joe Milton?

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Joe Milton. Yeah he struggled again. Yeah, yeah, he's uh.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
He's like Bam bam from the flint Stones, and I
think he only has one mode, the wall.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
I think some of it now is a confidence issue,
right because as a quarterback, you go out there, you
have a good performance, and it's okay to struggle a
little bit in preseason, but to consistently struggle the way
that he has that plays into your psyche as a quarterback,
and especially as a guy that's trying to make the
team and make an impression. So I think that that's

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got to be something that's wearing on him right now, and.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
My final of the three, I'm going to talk about all.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
The supposed Easter eggs in the Taylor Swift New Heights
interview that is making people think she's playing the halftime
show at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I would like to say, I don't think she is.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
You don't think she is.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I don't think she is. I don't think she's a
reason too. She doesn't need.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
It, and the Chiefs might be there.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, I don't think she wants to overshadow Travis Kelsey, which.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
But let me feed you some of these because listen,
she plants these easter eggs a year in advance.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
She's amazing. Who thinks of this stuff?

Speaker 4 (26:25):
So Number one on the podcast, she talked about how
she loves to make soward O Brett and she thinks
about it sixty percent of the time. Super Bowl Lex
Lex means sixty. It's Levi Stadium twenty twenty six. The
host team is the San Francisco forty nine ers. They
have a mascot named soward O Sam.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Do they really do?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
They really have never heard that soward O Sam is
the name of their mascot. So she joked about making
sourdough and she thinks about making it sixty percent of
her time. Soward O, Sam is the mask shot?

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Sure, she's doing the halftime show.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, let's move on to number two. Taylor thanked Jason
Kelsey his brother, for screaming for forty seven seconds during
introductions because when he entered, like at the beginning of
the podcast, it's an odd number to just say forty
seven seconds. That same number corresponds to the forty seven
stop of her eras tour, which was at Levi Stadium,

(27:27):
the venue for Super Bowl sixty.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay, you want more?

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Yes, give me, give me more, Give me more.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Obviously, Taylor loves numbers and loves the number thirteen. That's
her favorite number. Thirteen is huh right, isn't that it thirteen?

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yeah? Sure so.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
The clue forty seven seconds also numerically links her to
four plus seven. Hold on, listen, no, I know she
does this, cradn Taylor adores numerology.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
The clue forty seven seconds dircklely links her to lucky
number by summing thirteen times four plus seven, and it's
also Jason Travis Kelsey's thirteenth NFL season.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Man, there's so much to unravel here. So four plus seven, Yeah,
just do the mask a calculator.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
I don't know, dude, And I wrote that down and
I'm sure I missed something up on that one.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, here's another one.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
There was in the podcast a replica Lombardi Trophy awarded
to Super Bowl champions. Obviously that appears prominently between Taylor
and Travis. Fans think it's an intentional placement. Uh so,
there's a lot. But I thought this the sourd o'
sam was good. I thought the forty seven was interesting
because the forty seven seconds sixty she said, the forty
seventh tor stop, which is Leeviy Stadiu where they're having

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the super Bowl, the sixty percent all that.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Then there's a lot of crossover here.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's a theory. Oh well, we don't know who it's
going to be.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that she might have that in
the works. You ever met Taylor have not? Have not?
I'm guessing you have spent plenty of time with her.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I've met her a few times, met her.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
A few times backstage.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
No, no, nothing, no, no, I have nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I've met her a few times.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
You've met her a few times? Huh? Nice? Person.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, she's extremely magnetic.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
That's what it seems like her personality.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I've met probably four people that have the magnetism that
A plus tier magnetism, and those people are Dolly, Dolly,
Garth Riba.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
And Taylor.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Pure magnetism.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You think the entire world revolves around you when they're
with you because they are so focused on making you
feel seen that you do and you walk away going
I think I'm that person's best friend.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
I think we're gonna get along.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
So Taylor, Taylor has that. Yeah, I've met her a
bunch of times. She's a superstar.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
I mean she is these I will not disagree with you.
She is the superstar, the superstar.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yes, yes, we'll take a break. I'll tell you more
during the break. All Right, we'll take a break, and
we will we'll come back. All Right, We're gonna go

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talk with Leroy.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Butler, who played safety for his entire career with the
Green Bay Packers, a really interesting childhood story. I think
you could talk about this for a second because he
was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
In a wheelchair, they said, I think he was pigeon
toed or something like that. They had to break his
feet and he was in a cast or in a
wheelchair for like eight months. But then I guess he
had some other physical ailments, and they had braces on
his legs until he's like eight years old, and then
they said one day his sister was running out to
play and he somehow got up to run after and

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the braces fell off. Literally is the movie for scope.
And all of a sudden he realized he can run,
he can do all that, and he went right outside
started playing kickball. And within two years he's out there
on the football field playing Pop Warner youth sports and
starts to be elite and just incredible, incredible story.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Hall of Fame twenty twenty two, Packers Hall of Fame
back in two thousand and seven. Florida State University Hall
of Fame, All one just four time All Pro, four
time Pro Bowl, nineteen nineties, All Decade, First Team consents
All America.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
And Florida State, and he's on with us now here.
He is le Roy Buds, Hey, Lurid. We appreciate you
being here. Thank you for the time.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
I do want to start if it's okay with you,
because I have a Coach Bowden signed helmet up in
my like my room, I got like three The room's all.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's a great room, got multiple screens.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
But I do have this Florida state helmet Coach Bowden
signed for me way back in the day.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
What was he like to play for?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Now?

Speaker 8 (32:06):
This is emotional now if you know my story, because
Coach Bowden saved me, because real quick, keep I'm from
the inner city, single parent, the blodge at homes and
Duval kind of Jacksonville, Florida. I was a prop forty
eight student and I wasn't eligible to play. And I

(32:27):
just remember I was a consensus All American in high school.
I got all these letters from all these universities. Then
they just stopped. And when they stopped, I was like,
oh my goodness, but I love teachers and my favorite teacher,
Miss Gordon.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
She was like, what's wrong.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
I said, well, I can't go to college because I
didn't pass the SAT test. She said, well, that's not true.
You can still go, but you're just not eligible.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
To play your freshman year. I said, well nobody. You know,
just back in the eighties they play freshmans. They don't
read shirt. If you're an All American, you can play.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
So I'm thinking they never I just need one yes
all these universities, and that one yes was because Bobby Bowden.
She gave me eight quarters. I said, what are the
quarters for? She said, you go call Tallahassei and you're
gonna talk to coach Bud. He's gonna explain. I said,
what are the quarters for? She said, you gotta go

(33:23):
to the phone booths. We had phone booths back then.
Matt wasn't born this time ago. So it so when
I said hello, she said, this is Sue Haul hold
sugar for Coach Bowden. I said, I thought God was
talking to me. He said we got to do a
home business. I said, Coach, please, we can't do a

(33:44):
home listit. I said, the projects, it's a lot of violence.
I cried, no coming to the projects to give you
a scholarship. He comes down the following Wednesday, following me
on my bicycle. I mean it was purple, the tire
was flat. Uh, the chain comes off, but I'm excited.

(34:05):
Coach Bowden is following me in the convoy of cars
and he told my mom, I'm gonna give him a scholarship.
I gotta get him out of this atmosphere. And then
I asked, Coach why did you come to my house?
He said, Well, I read your bio, and your bio
says you were saved, and I'm a man of faith.

(34:27):
You the kind of young man I want. I know
you can't play your freshman year, but don't worry about it.
So when people bring up coach Bolden, it's different from
every player. I'm sure it is, but he was different
because he cared about me out of the uniform. And

(34:48):
I appreciate that he was the only school that gave
me a scholarship. And I think the rules were any
university can give five kids a scholarship but they're not eligible,
but they got four years of college. And I don't
know if people know this your audience, but every year
you have to you knew your scholarship. They said they're
gonna give you four years, but every year they renew

(35:11):
it and if you want to transfer, you could. So
I'm thinking, well, I didn't play, I'm just glad to
be here. But he renewed it all those years, and
so Coach Bowden is different. He's a different man, and
I just love playing for him. And real quick to
wrap it up, I remember I was sitting at the

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uh Burt Rynolds. Shout out to Burt Rose rest in peace.
He got this amazing complex he brought. It was Burt
Roumos home and I was sitting there and we was
playing Clemson, and he came over to me. He said,
you remember.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
That play, right?

Speaker 8 (35:52):
I said, what play are you talking about, coach? The
one we did in practice that never worked. Yeah, that one.
We're gonna do it against Florida at the end of
the year. We always say something to Florida, and I
never forget that he chose me to run the punt
rusky fake punt.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Everybody in your audience, please go look it up.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
Don't look at how slow I'm running. Don't do that
because I don't do that. Look at where we are
on the field, what down it was, and where we
had to go to win two top five teams in
Death Valley and Clemson. Only coach Bobby baud were risk

(36:39):
it because he wanted that biscuit and he chose me.
So I owe a lot to coach Bobby Bud. I'm
sorry that.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
I I'm trying not to cry because when you see
my documentary, you'll say, now.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
See what Laura was saying, because he did so much
for us.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Yeah, I mean you have that punt Rusky, right, that
was a legendary play for the Florida State and moment.
Then all of a sudden, you go and you get
drafted by the Green Bay Packers in the second round
your rookie year. You force the fumble, the pitch it back,
you go. Obviously you're the godfather. You got the Lambeau Leap.
But I do have a funny story for you. So

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it was I was in Kansas City and I threw
a touchdown the Dwayne bow Is a long touchdown run.
All of a sudden, I finally get down there and
he jumped up in the stands. Well, I go and
I follow him up because I've been watching the Lambeau
Leap forever, right, and you obviously you started the whole thing.
So I jump up there and we're in Kansas City. Well,
the next day the league sends out an official fine.

(37:41):
I got a five or ten thousand dollars fine from
the league because the only place in the NFL that
you can do the Lambeau Leap is Lambeau.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
But did you talk about it?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Did you?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Well? One, did you let's talk about that play.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
But two did you Did the league ever push back
on you for jumping into the stands when you played.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Bett. I've been asked about the leap ten million times.
Is that's the funny story. No one has ever asked me,
have they did they find me?

Speaker 8 (38:13):
Or did they? Uh did Paul Tagley boo? I mean,
no one's ever asked me that part. That's a good question.
First of all. Whenever a quarterback does anything and it's embarrassing,
it's not on you.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It's on the team that first of all.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
So we just we give y'all a lot of that
because I remember Brett Fava do guys with a fireman's
carry and carry them around and hung them say stop
doing that. But it just it's just a connection. But
I remember after I did it, hung them came over
to me, he said, it'll.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Find your.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
But what I went and hugged the owner, which our shareholders,
our owners. So but I think it's the best celebration
because it's not just me doing some weird dance, although
the Ikey shuff was fire. It's me and the fan base.

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And that's why I played for one team. Sometimes it's
not your fault and sometimes the team just get rid
of you and sometimes you want to go into the darkness.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
But put that to the side.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
I never wanted to leave this fan base, and that's
what the Lambeau Elite did for me because it shows
how much Leroy Butler loves the fan base. So when
I see other people do it, I love it. I
do love it, and they should give you your money back.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
They actually did.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
They did. I told them.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
I said, look, number one, I hardly made it up
into the stands because I don't jump that high. Number two,
I was tired as hell by the time I got
down there. And number three, now that I know that
I'm not allowed to jump the stands, I won't do it.
And you know it's all those ex players are on
that panel and they're like, all right, we'll receive them. Fine,
So they gave me my money back. I fought it
in court and I represented myself.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
I found I did pretty well.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Leroy questioned about Lambeau Field in general.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
We've talked about different stadiums and how you know some
of these cities they should never dome up. For example,
Buffalo never dome, Green Bay never dome, because that's as
much a part of the stadium.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
The weather the conditions as as anything.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
What do you think Lambeau should always keep consistent, But
what do you also think that they could change about
the stadium and make it a little more friendly.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
Well, full disclosure, I'm on the board, mess up my ticket. Uh,
but I think the reason why he put me on
the board, I don't have a filter is baked in
the cake.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
So I'll be very honest with you. I will. I
remember we played in Milwaukee.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
Matter of fact, let's go back when I got the
phone call on a rotary phone from Lenny and Fonte
said they were gonna draft me in the second round,
and he said, do you have any questions? I said, yes, sir,
where's Green Bay? Because I've never been to Wisconsin Florida.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Matter of fact, that my geography class I took a nap.

Speaker 8 (41:33):
I never thought I would go to Detroit, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
I'll forget about it. I'm always stay south. So when
we played in Milwaukee for a couple of years, it
was fantastic. Then I heard a rumor, because I'm very nosy,
we may move the stadium out of land Bow to Appleton, Madison. Nope,

(41:55):
We're gonna keep it here. And build around it. And
then I found out I have six girls and my
I have six daughters and my son. Time's my favorite.
By the way, just throwing that out there, just in
case my kids sees it. I said, wait a minute,
how many people on this list? Twenty eight two hundred
and six people waiting for tickets for season tickets. Lambeau

(42:21):
is different because one of my best friends in the world,
Barry Saturdays, I saw him yesterday, Herman Moore, the people
we played twice. You know, people are the bears. What
y'all feel when y'all coming into the stadium and y'all
drive up? He said, Man, we could feel it.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Lambo. Know what it's like.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Man, you ever seen the Gladiator right before he entertained?
But it's like that at halftime. No, wait a minute,
it's like that in the parking lot when the tail
getting matter of fact, it's like that every single day.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
That's all we have lambeau Field and Green Bay. That's it.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
When I played, it was sixty eight thousand, nine coach
to ninety thousand with the sweets.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
We have the biggest scoreboards of any team.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
We made three hundred and eighty million dollars in the pandemic.
Because we're on our shareholders, we got to show our
books that g when you drive up to lambeau Field
is different and cause I thought driving up to Florida
State Stadium, because our stadium was a massive stadium. It's

(43:46):
right on campus, but this is in the middle of
a neighborhood. And to boot they gave us the draft.
We had two hundred some thousand people every day Wednesday
on through the draft. And when I first I tell you,

(44:07):
I have to tell you my first game as a
rookie real quick.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
This is I still think about this. I'm in, I'm
in the I'm a.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Like a.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
I was like the nickelback and we were playing, Uh
I think Cleve. I think it was like the first
five games. This happened, this thought process, and I remember
Dick geron Rest in Peace. He came over to me.
He said, you're gonna start. I was, uh, just stretching

(44:39):
and he came over to me, You're gonna start? Uh
just I said, what's say, coach, and he walked off.
That's when I said to myself, it's two times. I
was glad our pants are yellow. I said, oh my god,
I'm gonna start, and the other time I almost wet myself.

(45:00):
They said, you're the nickel back and you're gonna cover
Jerry Rice it he comes in the slot. I said, no,
I'm not not putting me on Sports Center New Nope,
I'm not covering the.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Goat by myself.

Speaker 8 (45:12):
But in that stadium, the fans make you think you
can do it.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Do it's a different place. Well, they made you think
you could do something.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
You were the first defensive back in NFL history to
be part of the twenty sac twenty interception club. When
did you recognize the significance of that accomplishment. Did you
do it when you were playing or was it did
it take some time for you to realize how incredible
that was.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
I loved this podcast because y'all ask amazing questions.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Ray Rhodes is another coach.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
I love all my coaches cause I love my mom,
my hero, my grandparents. I didn't have a father growing up.
So the direction of how do you become a type
of a player that people either want to be like you,
or they emulate you, or they hate on you.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
You gotta be one of the three. And I remember
Ray Rhodes, he called me up on the phone.

Speaker 8 (46:19):
He said, we're gonna draft Terrell Buckley, my guy at
Florida State, with the fifth pick. I think we're gonna
move you to safety, I said, coach, I'm only five
to eleven, like one ninety ish, I'm gonna get killed. Nope,
I gotta wait that. I want to play you. He
was the one that started me going after the quarterback

(46:42):
being in the box, and I'll never forget that. And
I remember Mike Homerm says that Ray was leaving and
we got Fritz Shermer. I think he came from the Cardinals.
I said, oh, man, I hope he's not one of
these guys that play covered too, because my hands are

(47:03):
terrible and I got to sit back and play half
of the fielding's so boring.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Nah.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
He called me up. He said, I like what you're doing.
I'm gonna mixing some of my stuff with your stuff.
If it wasn't for him, I'm not in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
You know why, Matt, Because I didn't think I was
smarter than him. Because when I drove out the stadium
on a Saturday night on the way to the club
or coming from the club, and the lights two in
the morning that he's working, I'll be quiet and listen.
And he taught me how to make a difference. And

(47:44):
the last thing I say about that is, Coach Homer
changed changed my thinking. He walked by my locker and
it on a Michael Jordan's shirt. He came back, Hey,
who is it? I say, it's Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Hello.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Why don't you wear your shirt? I said, Coach, I
don't have one. He said, exactly, go do something, get.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Your own head.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Motivation.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yes, and Lee Rimbo came over to our media guy.
It says.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
You're doing stuff that's that you'll be proud of when
you're retired.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Not now. I think that was like ninety nine.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
And that's why I love being in the bobs blitzing,
covering the third guy, covering the tight ends. You know,
if we played Denver, Shannon Sharp's my guy. If we
play New England, Ben Coach, that's my I want to
cover the best tight end and the best third guy.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
In the slot.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Laurie, where do you expect to see growth with Jordan
Love this year?

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (48:56):
That's another god one. Now, I'll be honest with you.
I'm look at my career. I was all pro Pro
Bowl all decade, all that when I was married. When
I was single, I was a scrubb. You Love just
got married. I'm ready for that third year and Matt

(49:22):
knows it better than me. That third year, but he's
really going to be the sixth year in the same offense.
So I expect him to be elite or what does
elite mean? It's subjective elite to meet me in MVP conversation.

(49:44):
Why do you think in the draft we went out
and got Matthew Golden and by the time we post
this everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if they having rumors
or somebody of bringing in more receivers because and as
Matt also knows this, they were top five and d.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Passes last year.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
So if you take him off that list, Jordan Love
has great numbers, but you gotta beat Detroit, you gotta
be Minnesota. We were one in five at home in
division games. I expect him to be up there with
the Josh Allens lamar go, those guys are in the

(50:30):
conversation of Super Bowls. Matter of fact, he said it himself.
He expects every day he drives up and it says
title Town. Well, it's the reason why they have that,
and the other two quarterbacks were able to in their.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Third year.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
Really kind of seeing the sending guy. But sometimes coaches gotta.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's your baby. Now, I'm here to manage you, but
it's your show. Go go do.

Speaker 8 (51:04):
It run some two minutes. We got a good running game,
Josh Jacobs, but I want to see more control. You
don't always need to get the call all the time. Sometime, coach,
I got it, Okay, go ahead. Now that's to him
at Matt la Floyd and they have a wonderful relationship.
The thing about George Love, I love is that no

(51:27):
pun intended. He's a guy that wants to be coached.
Could I remember Peyton Manning said something like he told
one of his coaches, you can coach me hard. I
can accept it, and some of his coaches to kind
of let him alone.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
But he can go either way.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
Because I don't want him to be scripted into mechanical
out there. Because the guy has an amazing arm and
just so you know, he had his off strowing. They
had a procedure down on his thumb is non throwing.
He'll be back before Detroit in a couple of weeks,
but I expect big things and not to mention he's

(52:10):
on my fantasy team too that I mention.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Yes, he is all right as a defensive back.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
He lost one of the premier corners with Jay R Alexander.
How do you think this defensive backfield is going to
be for Green Bay this year?

Speaker 8 (52:24):
That's another good one. I know a quarterback would ask
that question. He was like my nephew. I mean, I
love him. Uh we uh text call all the time.
He's just a great guy.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
But he understands he has some issues.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Uh not so much the injuries, but some of the
communication issues that we had to suspend him one week
and he got back on track, but he's never never
could get healthy okay without him, And I know Ben
Johnson is in Chicago, but I can bet your dad.

(53:02):
H Campbell said the first game, we're gonna throw Thebaull
fifty times. Yes, we have an amazing running game, but
we're gonna we gonna, We're gonna prove to find out
these younger guys can cover, and they gotta expect that.
But you know Xavier McKinnie, it's all pro safety who

(53:27):
had a lot of interceptions. He had to cover a
lot of ground, but they went out and got Hobbs
from the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
He's banged up. He'll be ready and hopefully by first week.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
But there's the vulnerabilities at the corner position it is.
I mean, nobody can like sugarcoat that, and you don't
always have to have all pro.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Corners to cover people.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
You just gotta be fundamentally sound. But you gotta play
Justin Jefferson twice, I'm a Saint Brown DJ Moore twice
and then you'll the second game you planning command it.
They just got Deebo Samuel. They already had what we

(54:19):
call scary terry. That's a lot. So I don't know
who's out there. Steve Spawn Gilmour tight you got. If
you want to get any veteran out there in his thirties,
you gotta get it man this week if you want
to try to get him ready and acclimate it.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So it's gonna be some issues in the secondary for sure.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
You guys can follow Lroy Leap thirty six on Instagram
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talk sports, whatever the case is, Lroy, we really appreciate
the time. We're all big fans of your story, you

(54:59):
as a player and you as a person.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
So thank you so much for the time.

Speaker 8 (55:03):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate shit it. I'm
not sure if David said that. Every time I go
on podcast, I always send out autographs jerseys, So give
them your information out, mail it out next week, this weekend,
next week.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Thanks man, Let's let's look the next let's every week back, yes, sir,
all right, LARROI thank you for the time.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
You think God, do you ever think about changing your
screen name?

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Or you're like, what is my screen name?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
It's like m underscore castleeen.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Dot three dash two.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
It's just like because it tag you and stuff all
the time, and I think if people knew it was
Matt Castle, it would be cooler.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
So just get Matt Castle.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, or like Matt Matt Castle QB Matt Castle.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
I'm working on it, all right, guys. I mean I
didn't know I could change my tag.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
You know, I'm still kind of fairly new to this
whole social media thing.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
I didn't have it when you're not seventy three years old.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
I really just have to all of a sudden, just
one day, go and figure out how to do it.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Don't you think if he could find Kevin Brandon, if
he could find like on both platforms, Because also, you
spell your name unlike what I think people would spell
it if their name was Castle C A S T
L E or or two L.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I would have said two L.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
So why does everybody say two els? I wasn't like
an actual castle.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah, yeah, why does everybody say two els? I think castle?
I get Cassel all the time calling.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah, I think two l's is how it would spell it.
Those someone said spelled Matt Castle, I would go two l's.
But my point is your.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Name is.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Interesting enough spelled that you could have that instead of
m underscore.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Castle, king of Castle six Castle.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
You don't want to do that. No king of the Castle.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Something to think about.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Okay, somebody, well we should have the viewers just right in.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Never mind, you don't have to write in. That kind
of makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
The problem is if you don't grab it before this
episode post, someone will.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Grab somebody's gonna grab it, and you start putting stuff
out there.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I would just say, you jersey number in the locker room.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
You should think about changing your name to actually being
your name and not just a letter.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Okay, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
How's big tingling?

Speaker 6 (57:34):
It's starting up next week. I'll be on the road
Michigan college football seasons here.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
I'm fired up.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You know, they want to have like forty teams in
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
I know, how is that even good? How is that
even possible?

Speaker 6 (57:45):
My theory is twenty eight teams.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
My theory is they don't really want that. They just
want to work it to sixteen.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
So it's like any negotiation, you go and you go
high as possible knowing you're not going to get it.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
I think it's inevitable they're going to go to sixteen.
If you go to twenty eight, then it just diminishes.
You're not going to have conference championships.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
There's just no way. You can't play that much fun.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I think you're get rid of them anyway.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
You're probably gonna get rid of them anyway.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Almost have to get rid of them. At the scale
that it's on now. With the tournament, it's a massive scale.
That's a lot of games for these young men to
be playing. I mean it is professionalized, don't get me wrong,
But at the end of the day, there's still eighteen
year old kids playing what thirteen, fourteen, fifteen games?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Wait, what's your first game?

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Mich Michigan and New Mexico. Yeah, the lowbost.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Baby coming to town looking for a big upset. Bryce Underwood,
we get to see him the number one.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
He's selling it.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Boy, let's go and underscore Castle is selling it to me.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, are you excited?

Speaker 5 (58:38):
I'm fired up? Yeah, I am excited.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
I mean it's always fun because I get to go
on the road to the stadium, we do the production
meeting with the coaches, and then just the atmosphere of
college football is so unique and so special.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I'm pumped for college football.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
I know you are those raising razor raising raising.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
It's like I got a good three weeks before I'm
rejected to be like fourth to last in the sects.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
But you never know, I know, I never know.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
My theory, my prediction and theory I would I would
cut off from knuckle up for Arkansas have a ten
plus win football season, my pinky.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Can we can?

Speaker 6 (59:15):
We just put that on record, but we're gonna do okay,
So if they get ten wins, we're cutting your pinky
finger off.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Hey, I don't want to come out to that here,
but I'm saying, if you were to offer how.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
We pull your nail out of your pinky, if.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
You were to offer it, and I could actually do
it to affect it, I would give up a half
pinky for a shot at the national championship.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Because ten wins get you in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
I just don't know if you cutting your finger off
is ever going to have an impact on it won't.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
But in my mythical world and someone comes up and says, who,
if you cut off y'r pinky, you can have a
shot at the playoffs, I would do it now. That's
how much it matters to me. That being said, I
think if we win seven games, and here's the annoying
thing about being in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Every team is like, we have the hardest schedule. You know,
every team has the hardest set, and you guys cannibalize
each other.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yes, and it's well, we're playing seven teams or six
teams that are in the top twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's also preseason. You don't really know who's good yet.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
So all of these things factor, and every team has
a SOB story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
We have one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Like we're playing seven teams the top twenty five. If
Sam Pittman wins seven games, that's a great coaching job.
But at this point he should be winning more than
seven games. Not him, but whomever is in that position
for year six, you should be winning more than seven games.
I think if he wins six or seven games, my
thought is he will quote unquote retire.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
Yeah, you think he'll retire instead of good?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Everybody likes him? Yeah, I like him. Do I think
he's the future of the program.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I do not, But I like him a lot as
a person, And I think he was a great gap
between complete disarray and he stabilized the program. And so
now he retires gets to be a hero. Did you
ever play with ed Ozron Eddie?

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Oh was my d line coach at USC. The craziest
son of a gun I've ever been around my life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
He wants he wants to coach again too, He should
coach again.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
I love that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
I mean, and he who was one of the most
intimidating humans.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
He was trying to get me to play linebacker. He's
that Castle. You'll never You'll never play quarterback here at USC.
You need to come over to my side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Like He's not like a water boy, but that's what
he sounded like did and he would say it with
this intensity in your eyes and you I almost thought
about playing linebacker because it was so intimidating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
So thank you guys for being here this week.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Thanks Llroy Butler, kick off, Kevin producing, friend Ray over
there running all the video.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
That's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to day.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I see it a clear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is
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