Tucker Wetmore stops by and walks Bobby through the nerves leading up to his CMA performance. He describes what it felt like backstage, how he calmed himself down, and why he can be his own toughest critic even when everything goes right. Tucker also opens up about the moment he dropped out of college and finally told his mom he was going all-in on music, plus the family and faith background that shaped him growing up.Then it turns into a full timeline of the grind: moving to Nashville with what he could fit in a POD, working whatever jobs he could, DoorDashing for two years, and stretching meals while he tried to make songwriting and the right meetings happen. Tucker breaks down how posting covers on TikTok helped open doors, what changed once he started writing every day, and how that momentum turned into a Nashville publishing deal. Along the way, he shares a complicated family story involving his biological dad and what it was like reconnecting as an adult.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I moved back home and then I remember shutting her down.
I was like, Mom, I think I want to do
this music thing, and she goes, I've been waiting for
you to have this conversation with me.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Okay, We're going to hop into episode five sixty four
with Tucker Wetmore, who had a number one with wind Up,
Missing you. He's got his Brunette World tour kicking off
in February. You get tickets at Tuckerwetmore dot com. I
mean so much say about this guy, and I think
we talked about a lot of it here. Great athlete
in high school and even college, his story about moving
(00:38):
to Nashville, just life now, and how twenty twenty five
was a big year for him. So here we go.
This is Tucker Wetmore here on the Bobby Cast. Tucker,
good to see you, Good to see you. We were
just talking about the holidays before we started this, and
you asked me the question, how is Thanksgiving? And I
was like, it's fine. It really was good.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't want you to feel weird about that question.
Is really give a very long pause. I've been injured,
like and I'm gonna put my foot up so I
want this is out of respect to a former athlete,
even hurt worse than I've been. I tore my ankle
and I just had surgery, and I've just gone from
cart to boot. This is like, okay, two days in
actual shoe.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
How's it feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Sucks?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, you've been there far worse than me, and I'm
much older. But you had what did you do?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And you're like, so I've blown listening out twice and
then uh, this ankle and.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like spiral fractured all the way up to be I
think it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I still bother you when it's cold.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
My knees kind of do its thing, but most of
the time it's it's fun. They're so advanced with those
surgeries now that it doesn't really bother me too much.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I went in and they took hitdab cartilage because I
tore my cartilage, and they put it in, glued it together,
and they were like, do not turn your ankle for
the next five weeks it will rip again. And so
Thanksgiving I was in a boot the whole time. That
would have been my answer, but then I thought he
doesn't care, and I was just like care. No. I
I literally thought, yes, he's a nice guy. He asked
(02:04):
a nice question. I should have just said it was
great man, thanks for asking, and we could have moved on.
But it said I got really awkward, and I had
I had the existential moment of do I tell him
it really sucked or not? Well, I'm sorry to hear that. No,
it's it's all good food though.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, well we're here, we're still breathing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I just found out, Tucker. Thanks for asking. I just
found out like six months ago. I'm allergic to dairy,
which eliminates all good food.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's really unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, I got a bum ankle,
can't drink.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Thanksgiving was good and thanks the food was great. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I love to hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I had like the devil on the angel on the shoulders,
going tell him the truth, no small talk, get out
of there. What do you do for fun? Oh gosh,
we were debating that before you came in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's one of those again where I'm gonna say I
think you probably spend so much time on the road.
It's probably hard to write because you're gone so much
that you probably prioritize when you're home, hopefully getting to
a rested place so you can write, and sometimes resting
as in you, you probably want to go do things
that let you decompress, like fish, you play ball at all?
(03:16):
Can you.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
A golf now?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay? Yeah, so what do you do? That would be
what I would guess.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That was pretty spot on.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean nowadays, I don't really have time for too much,
you know, free time. You know, everything I do is fun,
you know, like being on the road and right and
you know, putting the shows.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But you know, I like to fish. I like to
be outside.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I feel like if I'm indoors too too long, I
kind of go stir crazy. So I like to go
touch grass more often than not. I like to golf,
hang with my friends.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Do you ever go home?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Not often?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's so far. That's what's tough for you. Like a
lot of the people here, we all grew up somewhat
around Nashville, a lot of us from the southeast now
from Arkansas. So it's like we go back to Georgia
or Arkansas or Florida or Oklahoma, you gotta go all
the way frigging northwest.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, it's a it's a long flat, but I get
out there probably like once or twice a year. I
was just there, you know, the Thomas rhtt tour. We
did like a kind of like a hometown show in Ridgefield, Washington.
That's probably like twenty five minutes away from my hometown.
But I'll go home for I want to say, like
five days around Christmas time. Just spend time with family,
(04:26):
see some friends. But it's a it's it's a place
that doesn't change, you know. So it's kind of I
go home and it's a little depressing, but I get
to see my people, so it's not at the same time.
But I can only spend, you know, a certain amount
of time being there.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What are the wet MoES known for?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh gosh, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Take your time. I struggle with Thanksgiving. Yeah, I asked
you a really hard way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
That's a great question. I mean, it's gonna sound clichepe
of just being kind. I guess my family's great. My
mom's an angel, my grandma's known by everybody in the county.
I don't know, just living life day by day like
everybody else, is what we're known for.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What's your mom like, she's one of those people.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I feel like the Good Lord has filled her cup
with so much love that she doesn't have any choice
but to like spill it onto others. That's the kind
of person she is, you know, always thinking about other people,
very selfless, My number one fan, always always in my corner.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Was she super supportive of you when you wanted to
start doing music.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, she was the one that was like, absolutely, go
do it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Did you go to her with the hey, I'm thinking
about doing this or what do you think about me
doing this? I'm gonna do this in front of you?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
How did that go?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it was.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was after I dropped out of college.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I was playing football in Montana and end up getting injured,
like we just talked about. And then I moved back
home and then started playing music again because I started
playing music when I was like ten or eleven years old.
I started on piano, guitar, trumpet, and I started writing
a bunch after college. And then I remember sitting her
down on a couch like we're sitting right now, and
(06:18):
I was like, Mom, I think I want to do
this music thing, and she goes, I've been waiting for
you to have this conversation with me because you know,
even back in the day, she would always push me like, hey,
you kind of got something, so you should pursue that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm like, but football, you know, I want to play ball.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And then it was kind of like a siur relief
for I feel like, because she wanted she wanted me
to do that, and you know, she saw something in
me that I didn't really see at the time, and she.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Was very supportive. Helped me drive down from Washington.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It took us like three or four days, and I
had COVID actually during that whole trip, so she did
most of the driving. I think I did probably four
hours of driving total. But she she helped me move
and then you know, paid some bills when I first
moved to town because I had no money, just a
(07:08):
handful of songs and a dream.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did she do music? Uh huh she was a musical
at all.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Nope, then how even playing instruments, But like I have
no idea, I guess Okay, So I grew up in
the church. My grandpa is a pastor, and uh, you know,
being around the church my entire life, literally every single
day being the church, and uh, my grandma would would
sing the hymns and I grew up in a Samoan family,
so they're very I don't know if you ever hung
(07:35):
out with like a group of Samoans.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I never have. It's it's a it's a bucketless item.
I usually hang out one at a time with Smoan's
never done. I've never done a group.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a fun time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Are you Simoan a part Simoan?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Are in your heart?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Like when you look in the mirror, do you see
a Samoan guy?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm I'm definitely a mutt in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean I grew up a small culture my whole life,
especially like in the summertime, always you know, doing cookouts
and listening to reggae, and you know, all my aunties
and uncles and you know, it's a huge family type thing.
And but yeah, to answer your question, I mean, some
Moons are very musical people and very loving people and
giving people, and uh, you know, I just grew up
(08:21):
around that, and it was it was kind of one
of those those things where like I've said this before,
but we'll be sitting in the in the living room
after Sunday church, we just had early dinner and watching football,
and somebody would start singing Amazing Grace and then the
next thing, you know, the whole family is just harmonizing
Amazing Grace in the living room, coming.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So I definitely grew up around that, and I think
that's my That might be where it kind of stems from.
But I definitely found my own love for music.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So your grandpa was Pastorage.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You mentioned your grandma. Do you call her grandma? Did Northwest?
What do you call her grandma? Who do you call
her grandma? Your mom? Is your dad not around or
was he around?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No? Not really?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
My dad wasn't wrong. I don't even know my dad.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, I definitely do know my dad. Uh, it's a
it's a complicated situation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I've been there, really there. You know you guys
have don't only talk, you do talk a little bit or.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
No, I haven't talked to him a long time, long time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The first time my dad reached back out to me
was on Facebook once publicly. Well, I haven't last time
I saw him, it's five I didn't see him again
till I wrote my second book, and I was just
telling people I was writing this book about face fears.
You know all you know struggle, don't you know. And
so the thing I was scared of most was going
to meet my biological dad because he left. He just left,
(09:40):
like straight up, nothing was wrong, just decided to leave
my mom. My mom and my grandma raised me, and
so my grandma adopted me for a long time. And
so I went and I set up a thing and
met him. Well, it was bizarre. It was the first
time I'd ever seen somebody that looked like me. Really,
I saw him again. I didn't know my dad. I
was very angry. I still have crazy resentment toward him
(10:01):
for leaving when I was five years old and leaving
my mom in that place because she got pregnant at
fifteen and that ain't an easy life. And so I
remember seeing him in the parking lot and it looked
like a because he was seventeen. Again, they were kids,
and a little bit of my brain has to go.
They were kids making kids decisions. And I saw him, dude,
it was weird, that's wild. I'd never when this probably
(10:25):
five or six years ago, oh well maybe seven at
this point, but around in that old forty five, I
was in my thirties.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I was scared to death and it was so bizarre.
And we went into this barbecue restaurant and I saw
him walking by, and I'm telling you, I don't know
if you look like your biological father, your mother, whomever.
I don't have really like a family, Like my mom
died drugs and alcohol. She died in your forties, and
so I never really had a family. So I never
(10:56):
was really accustomed to like having conversations with people that
I was related to. And I was sitting at a
table with him, going, this is the weirdest thing to
sit with somebody that was a parent. Aside from all
the resentment, all the anger, all everything that I had
sitting across from him, I was able to kind of
separate that way. This is the first time I've ever
done this in my life. Because my mom and I,
(11:17):
as much as she raised me and was in and out,
she was an addict her whole life, so there was
never a real, like true connection. But yeah, the whole
dad thing's weird. When you said that, it kind of
brought something up in me because I didn't meet my dad,
and I made myself go freaking meet him and it's weird.
We don't have a relationship now, but I don't hate
him as much, Yeah, because I've come to understand and
they'll talk now or No. He's in my sister's life
(11:38):
a little bit, and I respect that she's much younger,
so she didn't she wasn't a part of really being
alive when he left. Got so all with her has
been bonus. With me, there's a lot of he jumped
and he left me and my mom and that was
(11:59):
very difficult for all of us.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, well, I mean within reason, you know, It's just
that's that's crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean just when you said that, it reminded.
But I remember. And my whole point of that was
I wrote this whole book and it was all really
pragmatic ways to success, and I thought, I am such
a hypocrite because I've listed all these things that I
hope people take from me and my life and my journey,
(12:27):
and I hope they, you know, extract through my failures
and a couple of successes. But I felt like such
a hypocrite because the one thing I was so scared
of I'd never done. And I texted a cousin got
his number, texted him, was like, hey, your son, I'm
going to be in town. I wasn't going to be
in town, but I was just giving him a point
to meet me. And then I met him, and it's
(12:48):
really one of the most nervous days I've ever been
in my whole life.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
M h, it's crazy. When's when's the last time you've
been really nervous?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Ce Mays for the for the that CMA performance, I
it was.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It was weird, though it wasn't like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
How'll explain it, so like the days before.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I was nervous, and then the day of and I
get kind of quiet when I'm nervous, and then the
day of, you know, obviously we have like a bunch
of interviews surrounding the CMA's a couple of days prior,
and you know, I got through all those, and and
then the day of. I remember waking up super nervous
(13:29):
that morning, and then we kind of went through the
rotation of like how the day was, you know, unfolding,
and then we got to the awards and did the
red carpet and stuff like that, and I wasn't really nervous.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Nervous and dress rehearsal or like like a.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Little bit, yeah, which was like the day before or
two days before or something like that. And I remember
it was it was time for my performance, and you know,
most it was towards the end, so most of the
night has passed by and most of the awards have
been given out.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I remember it was time for me to get on
the stage. And I went back stage and changed and
walked up on stage and you know that that screen
that drops down and reveals the stage and you're sitting
back there for like six minutes, and it's the longest
six minutes of your life.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dude. I was, you know, leg was shaken. I'm like,
all right, breathe through it. I got this.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I've sang the song a million times and I wrote
I wrote the thing, so I know it front to
back most days.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And then I remember, probably like a minute and a
half before the thing goes up, I took a deep breath.
I was like, you know, what, can I cuss on this?
I was like, you know what, fuck this?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I got this.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I've sang this song a million times before, just another performance,
And so that's kind of the way I treated it
like right before, but do that those the two days beforehand?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I was I was pretty nervous a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Were you able to calm yourself down to actually like
see people in the crowd?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It might have been a god thing, but I it
was like a minute a minute and a half before
that thing went up, I immediately snapped into this mindset
of like, Okay, I'm exactly where my feet are right now,
Like I'm in this moment. I know I'm going to
see some people that I look up to, you know,
musically or personally or whatever, in the crowd, because they're
all right there like Stapleton, Uh, Cody Johnson, Luke Combs
(15:21):
was sitting right there, you know, all these people that
I've I've listened to for years. And uh, I remember
looking at, you know, a couple of people in the
crowd and then that kind of freaked me out mid
performance and so I'd like look up at the at
the ceiling a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And but it was it was fun, dude. It was.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was one of those like nerve wracking but fun experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Did you watch it back?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I did?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Did you like what you saw?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I was pretty happy with it, yeah, you know, and
it seemed like a lot of other people were pretty
happy with it, and uh, I'll.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Do it again, so you're probably gonna do it again
a lot, I hope, So yeah, if they'll have me back.
I just didn't know if you were so critical about
yourself that there probably that there wasn't a way for
you to enjoy watching it back.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I do get critical to myself often if I'm being honest,
But then I think is like, it's already happened, I
can't change it. Might as well just do better next time,
you know, And if there's like a little note or
a little misstep that I was oh, maybe I should
have gone to this side of stage. And you know,
it's it's very easy to easy to get down that
(16:24):
rabbit hole. But you know, I kind of think of
it as everything's a learning lesson and we're all just
living life for the first time. So why I think
about what you did yesterday when you got you know,
hopefully tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Were you able to enjoy that show since or at
least I will say pre year performance, or was it
all like, oh boy, I got a performer really can't
enjoy anything until I go on.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
At first, I was like kind of antsy, kind of nervous,
you know, my first time being nominated, my first big
TV performance like that. And then you know, i'd probably say,
like thirty minutes into the show, I'm like, no, this
is cool, this is a blessing to be here. I'm
just gonna enjoy, like be where my feet are and
enjoy everything that's going on on stage and around me.
(17:11):
And you know, I definitely found enjoyment in it, but
obviously I'm human.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is that a sports thing? Though? You be where your
feet are? Like, how did you react the same way
before you played a game, Like you would get nervous
until right before or take the first couple of plays
or yeah, like it feels like that's very parallel.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent, And it's it's a different stage,
but it's it's the same thing. You know, a lot
of people are counting on you to do your job
on the field or in the diamond or you know,
on the track or on the stage performing. It's there's
definitely a lot of nerves that go into what I do.
And honestly, I was talking to Thomas Read about this.
(17:51):
Actually a couple of months ago when we were on
tour and I asked.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Him that same question. I was like, do you ever
get nervous? Still?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Like he's been doing it since what twenty twelve, twenty eleven,
and without hesitation, he goes, oh, yeah, dude, every single night,
I'd get so nervous. And I'm like why, he goes, Honestly,
if you're not nervous, you don't care. And that's the
way I look at it. And he's like, it's a
blessing to feel nervous for something, because that's you doing
something that you should be doing him, that you care about.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And it's like, damn, that's it's true.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, you only get nervous about things that you value.
I spent four years on American Idol, like working with
the kids. They're not all kids, but a lot of
them were kids and young adults, and they would get
really nervous. Obviously not only they singing, but it's on television.
You get a couple million people watching. They'd get extremely nervous.
And the constant conversation I would have either on camera
(18:45):
off was, man, there are only so many times in
your life that you get to be nervous about something positive.
So when that happens, like, be grateful for those nerves.
You're not gonna make them go away. Yeah, that's the
thing about nerves. You really can't force them to go away.
The more you force them, the worst they are going
to get. So have an understanding that it's a real
(19:05):
treat to be able to be nervous for something positive,
because in your life there's gonna be a lot of
times or you're nervous about things that ain't so good.
Somebody sick, somebody money. There's a lot of anxiety and
anxiety and nerves kind of in that same beIN diagram.
I like what Thomas Redd said, because yeah, you get
to be nervous about something that is positive, like that
just made you care about it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's the coolest thing in the world, you know. And
I feel like if you kind of just would swap
your brain to think that way.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's just makes everything life easier.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But like for normal performances like concerts or something like that,
I don't get as nervous anymore. Sometimes a little bit
will hit me, but I get more excited, you know.
I kind of treat it like a football game where
I just kind of like hot myself up and you know,
start doing jump with jacks backstage or whatever it is,
and I kind of I kind of fire myself up,
like I'm I'm getting ready to go, you know, play
(19:55):
football game or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And yeah, it's just life. You know.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Early on, did you go too hard and like have
to like catch your breath like you dude?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I still do it sometimes, Like I get I hide
myself up so much that song two comes around, I'm
like huffing and puffing, and uh, I've I've definitely started
to learn how to like, you know, breathe on stage
and you know, find my breath when when I don't
have it. But that was definitely a huge problem, just
(20:41):
because I would want to come out firing off and
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
An ball energy, but uh, it's a marathon, it is.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It is one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's why you have the screens and the lasers do
a lot of that big energy stuff that you come
out and have. When you moved to Nashville, Like what'd
you move down with?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Like I don't know what was on the car, like,
did you have a trailer? It was just small car stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, so it was it was just my car. And then.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
God bless my mom because she helped pay for like
one of those pod things that you that you ship over.
So we stacked that full of like my bed, a
couple of couches.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It wasn't big.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It was literally there was like not a square inch left.
But we fit all of my stuff in this pod thing,
and then we shipped it over and then packed my
car with a couple of.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Things, and then we just hit the road. Had you
been here before once before? It was it was the month.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Before, so you weren't coming like for years. No, so
you've been one time and you're like, screw it, I'm
moving down. Yeah, So what was the catalyst then that
made you move?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
What was the thing?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So that's why we visited.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
After I had that talk with my mom where I
was like I want to chase this music thing, she
was like, all right, where do you want to go?
I was like, well, I heard Austin's got some music
and obviously got music City down to Tennessee. And she
was like, well, let's go, let's go visit these things.
So I went to Austin by myself. I knew a
friend that I stayed with in Dallas, and we checked
out Austin. Wasn't a huge fan of it. It was
kind of in the middle of COVID, so it was
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like super dirty and after all those riots and stuff,
So wasn't a huge fan of it. Then a couple
of weeks later, me and my mom flew down to
Nashville just to check it out to see if I
wanted to move, try to find an apartment kind of thing.
And for the first days, first two days we were here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I remember looking at it. I was like, Mom, I
don't know. I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I I didn't get that like immediate old this is
the spot, you know, this is where I need to be.
And then because we're downtown, we checked out Broadway. We
checked out like Midtown and you know, you know all
that stuff, and it was it was a lot, and
you know, I come from a super small town. The
biggest building we got is the Poker Pietz that sells
pizza and it's half pizza, half far you know, that's
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the tallest building in my town. And you know, so
I wasn't I wasn't. He was on the huge, like
the big city kind of lifestyle. And I was like, Mom,
let's go to the outskirts of Nashville. Let's go find
some then that feels like home. Let's see if there's
a lake around here. Go Grable by teat I'm lake.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And so we found Old.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Hickory and uh, gosh, what's that place called the Rudder?
The Rudder on Old Hickris on the north side, and uh.
We ended up driving out there. We had lunch there
and immediately and no opportunities were like before moving in
or before visiting Nashville. My mom was like, we're not
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just we're not going to try to, you know, force anything,
push anything, and like, if opportunities arise, then then we'll
know that's that.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is the right decision. I was like, I'm completely
in that boat. And so we went to the Rudder.
We sit down and start eating.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Immediately the manager of the whole place comes up just
starts talking to us. He goes, what are you guys
doing where you go from?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
YadA YadA? And I'm like, oh, we're we're just visiting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
See if we want to move to Nashville from Washington
and he goes, Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You do music.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I was like, I'm trying. I got a handful of
songs and a dream. And then he was like, dude,
I got.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
The stage right here.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you ever want to play it on like the
weekends during the summer, you can play it this the
outside stage. And then he was like, dude, or honestly,
if you need a job, you got a job here anytime.
And this guy doesn't know me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You just met him.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I just met him.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
He walked up at the table.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Five minutes before this, and he was like, if you
need a job, you got a job on the spot.
Just let me know when you're in town. I was like, mom,
I think, I think I got this feeling now. I
got this feeling where like if if something doesn't work out,
something else is going to work out. And she's like
all right, And so that was kind of like that's
where it swaps. And then I got a I didn't
ever take up take him up on the opportunity when
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I moved to town, but it was it was one
of those things that I could feel into my soul
that it was the right decision.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
From that day forward, does that guy know at all
that his brief interaction with you change the course of
your life.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I mean maybe if he watches this now, but no,
I don't think so. I haven't seen him since.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
What if he's really not a real person and it
was an angel? Do you ever think about that?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think about that very often.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
AX, Like, maybe you go back and you're like, hey,
is oh Sean here at Rudders They're like, Sean, he
died in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Fifty six, exactly. Yeah, he's the founder of.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
This place, mister Rudder. You mean he hasn't been around
me forty years. And you're like, no, no, no, he
wore like a bow tie, dark hair, and they show
you a picture and you're like, oh my god, dude,
I think of as an angel.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, having like weird encounters with people and just thinking like, oh,
maybe that was God trying to tell me something or
sending someone to tell me. So I think about it
almost every day.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That's a great story. You moved down How long until
you get any sort of money coming in at all
because of music?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Last year?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So how long were you here?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Two years ago?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I sign a publishing deal in twenty twenty two, So
did you move in twenty.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm moving twenty.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So what'd you do for two years? How'd you pay rent?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I door dashed.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Really back when FGL, that bar downtown was FGL. I
worked there for probably a week and a half, serving
food and I hated it, so I quit. Then I
would door dash and I was living on the skin
of my teeth for a while there. Like peanut butter
spoon for dinner kind of thing, and I'd buy these
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these packs of like Hamburger patties and I'll just cook
them up and throw an egg on it, and I'd.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Kind of like be my dinner.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But yeah, I mean, my my mom helped me a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
My mom and her boyfriend, they definitely helped pay some
bills a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And is there an appreciation now extra because of the
struggle before?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know? It's just I feel like.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Growing up with a silver spoon is a blessing in
its own way. But I feel like growing up with
the wooden one teaches you a lot more about how
life actually is and how it can be. You know,
if you don't try to work for something, and you know,
I feel like it's, uh, it's very important to know
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what bottom feels like, especially when you get to the top.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Putting.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Being a good role model for the people that want
to do something anything in life.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know, yeah, you earned perspective.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I feel like, yeah, no perspective has ever wanted
because perspective is hard to get. You never want to
have to go through something that gives you perspective because
that's uncomfortable. But I'm very grateful at the respective that
I have never liked it while it was happening, but
I have such an understanding now of other people and
what they're going through because I've also gone through it,
which allows me to go, oh, hey, let me help
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you here, or let me give you some advice to
help you here, or you're gonna figure this out yourself.
But it's a weapon. Getting through stuff is a literal weapon.
You don't want to have to acquire the weapon. You
don't like it while it's happening, but once you have it,
it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, it's the the tailor's oldest time pressure makes diamonds.
You know, it's it's very cliche, but it's it's a
true thing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm gonna ask you this question. I want one hundred
percent honesty this is based off something you just said.
One hundred percent honesty. Raise your right hand. I Tucker
promised to be honest, I tuck her what more, promised
to be honest. Did you ever steal a fry or
any food when you were delivering door dash?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
No, not a single time.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
No, you are the most honorable door dash guy in
the history of door dash.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I promise you, not a nothing, not even thought about it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
One actually dumped out, he left it out and then
ate it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Uh huh, not a single time.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Honorable Tucker weapon, I try, I try. Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, that's fanzy to think about, though.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I feel like, shake the bag and let some fall.
I used to wait tables. I waited tables a lot,
and so yeah, that would happened.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Or for me it was after they were done as well,
if the roles had him in touch, or if something
had him in touch, I would say it needed.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Gotta do what you gotta do. I guess that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, Like I'm proud of you, Like it didn't need
a single fry and you raise your right hands and
you can't lie about.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
How'd you get your publishing deal? What was it that
got you the deal. Was it a single song or
was it a body of work with a few songs?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
No, I guess okay, So I was writing a bunch.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So when I moved to town in twenty twenty, I
didn't know anybody. I didn't know not a single person.
I didn't know anything about anything about the music industry
or you know, at all. And so I was I
would sit there in my apartment and kind of put
like covers out on TikTok and Instagram, and you know,
I wasn't doing like that influencer thing, but I was
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just posting my songs online. And then this girl named
Rikaile Marshall. She's got a publishing company named Backblocks, and
she saw some stuff online and then she's like, hey,
let's take a meeting. You know, I saw I saw
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a couple songs that you've written, and I kind of
see something, so let's take a meeting. And then took
a meeting, and then probably eight months later, I ended
up signing a publishing duale. And then I had another
offer from twelve six and I ended up going with Backblocks,
and then I would I was writing a little bit,
and then we brought some my manager now Autumn legend
(30:37):
to the team, and then I feel like once she
joined the team, I was I was starting to write
every single day, and you know, it kind of started
moving a lot then and then I teased some stuff.
We got to the point where I was like, all right,
let's start teasing some stuff as you know, try to
build the artist thing. And that's when I teased wanted
(30:58):
a whiskey and then end up missing. It happened right
after that, and it was kind of to the moon
from there.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Was co writing weird for you at first.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Very very especially when you first start, because it's kind
of like speed didding.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You're walking into a room with these people that you know,
some of them have twenty five number ones, some of
them have you know, they just got their first one,
so they're running high off of that, and you know,
it's just and then you're just I'm just me. I
ain't got nothing. Nobody knows who I am. I just
like to write songs and that's all I know. Well,
and it's you know, you're meeting new people every single day.
(31:32):
Sometimes you get paired up with whatever, and uh, but
I wasn't really accustomed to that because I was just
writing by myself for so long, you know, years before that,
and it took me a little bit of time to
kind of really open up and share my thoughts with
other people.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, the vulnerability part is really strange, Yeah, because it's
not like a licensed therapist. No, it's a freaking dude. Yeah,
and you're like, glet me to put my heart out
vulnerable Kansas. Yeah, like you moved here like two years
before me. You got it. That's weird, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
It was very weird.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But you know, I knew how, I know how important
it is, you know, to be part of the songwriting community,
and so I kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I knew if I didn't learn quick how to do it,
then the opportunity will pass me up.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So I just kind of, you know, sometimes two songs
a day and just like grinding for years.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
What was the first song that you wrote here in town?
And it doesn't even have to have made an album,
but that you thought, oh, I'm getting better, like this
is actually good and I'm super proud of it. And
do you remember that feeling like actually writing one where
you feel like you've leveled up.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I feel like I'm really
hard to satisfyify myself. You know, it's really hard to
like satisfy me for you know, satisfy me. And uh,
you know, I'm always just trying to write better and
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you know, write a better song. But there was a
moment in twenty four twenty three. No, it was twenty
three where I wrote wind and Whiskey and then wind
Up Missing You in.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
The same week and I d on it. Yeah, And
it was like the week after my birthday and.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I just turned twenty four or something like that. And
on that Monday, I wrote wind and a Whiskey and
then me and my buddy's like, hey, this is this
kind of fire, this is this feels good. And then
that Thursday or Friday, I walked into a room and
I wrote wind Up Missing You. And I think after
that week, especially when I started teasing both of them,
I was like, Okay, I see some growth. I see
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some like.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Some vision on.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Sound or you know, style or whatever it is that
I was that was spending years on chasing. And yeah,
I'd say that week was very pivotal for my mindset.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
When you wrote proving me right. How'd you feel about that?
Did you think it'd be something? Or do you write
so much at times you don't know and later on
you discovered to be something or did somebody else tell
you it's going to be something.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I mean, I feel like it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The conversation of if it's something is still pretty early,
you know, because it came out Friday, so just a
couple of days ago ago.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But but it has to be something of all this
stuff that you're writing that you've identified that as the
something of what you have coming out, like that's a
that's a single. Yeah, so it's got to be something
to you.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
No, it definitely felt to answer your question, it definitely felt.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Really good in the room.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And you know, I out of vision for how I
wanted the song to go and what I wanted to
say within the song. And I remember Jesse Joe I
voice memoed her right before I walked on stage.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think it was in like Washington or I was somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I was about to walk on stage, and I was
doing my vocal warm ups and then I started like
humming this this tune and then started singing the chorus
of proving me right, and I was like, I don't
know what this is, but I'm about to hop on stage.
I didn't want to forget it, and then I just
immediately sent it to her and no, I want to
(35:36):
say a couple of months later we ended up writing
the song me her, uh, Chris Tompkins and you know
a couple other people, and.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Luke laired to forgetting Luke claired, Yeah, he's only got like, yeah,
thirty five, forty numbers.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm sorry, Luke.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I got I got anybody else I went to, is
that anything? But Luke?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I love Luke great dude.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And that was my first time working with him too,
so it was it was cool to get that, you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Know, that song out of that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That guy has such a history of writing for well
all the number ones, but oh you like doing hip
hop style? Yeah, like he's dude.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was it was like watching a machine watching him
do do his thing, because he was tracking the whole
the whole thing, and then he would turn around and
say like a badass line and we're like, yeah, that's
that's right, and uh so he'd write it down and
he's yeah, he's definitely a machine. He's one of my favorite.
He's becoming one of my favorite people that i've you know,
that I work with, and he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
What's the biggest fish I ever caught?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's a good quotion.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't think deep sea counts for the record. Growing
up with lakes, Okay, when people are like, well I
caught I got an albacorp French marlin, I'm like, dude,
that ain't the same. Like we're driver fishing, we're hybrid fishing.
I mean almost catfish don't count because they're bottom dwellers
and you can you can really sit there, you can
do you can cheat to catch big catfish.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Biggest fish I ever caught? I think it was like
a six or seven foot sturgeon off the Columbia River. Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I mean to.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Catch that because most of the time, if we catch
like gar you don't mean to catch them.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh yeah, no, Me and my buddies would go sturgeon fishers.
So to eat the sturgeon, there's a very small window
where you can keep them, and it has to be
between whatever size.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I don't think it was in the window of being
able to keep them. It's like one day out of
the year, one or two days out of the year.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
If that I fund like bad eating.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, it's it's some of the best meat in the world.
It's it's amazing. It's a white meat tastes great. I'm
sure it's it's great.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You should try. If you ever go to a place
and there's people when they say, man, eat perch, I'm like,
per terrible. There ain't no meat there.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I mean, if I'm hungry enough, I would, but I
wouldn't go out seeking perch meat. You know, but surgeon
fishing is fun. I saw my buddy one time. So
what we would do would go down to what.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Do you think that way you put on scale?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
No, we didn't guess thirty five pounds.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
What test lines you have on your on your run reel?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Fifteen twenty oh, so you had to be a bit
delicate with it then, Yeah, I remember, I remember a
test line wasn't wasn't too strong?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Is screaming?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh yeah, dude, you sit there and fight those fish
are hours.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You have to wear anything bigger out that's the way.
Obviously you know this, But anybody watching or listening, like
we used to striper fish a lot, yeah, and strippers
were big. I watched my mom catch a forty pounder once. Yeah,
I have caught My stepdad was a stripper guy for
a while. So we'd go out and catch shad and
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then we'd just fish with striper and stripper were the biggest.
But hybrids, the striper white bass mix, they were the
best fighters, okay. And if we'd have we'd have you know,
twenty five pound tests or something on and you have
some of the fights harder than that. You got to
wear it down. You can't just reel it in, can't
pop your line. Yeah, when you got the sturgeon in,
we're like, oh my god, thinks wait a minute, and
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we thought it.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, that's so what me and my buddies would do.
We'd go down to the bank of the Columbia River.
It was called the Clamor of Marina, and we'd go
down there, cooler lawn chairs, sometimes a fire right there
on the beach, and we'd cast out, let it sit,
put a put it in a put it in a
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wrod holder, and put a bell on.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It and just sit there and drink and then then
it sit on the bottom. We're having a bobber.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No, it had sit on the bottom yep. And then yeah,
we'd just sit there and wait and drink and if
we don't catch anything, we caught a buzz.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You still exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
What was your greatest athletic performance in high school or college?
Like single game?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
That's a good question. Football, I'd say, I mean, there's
a couple of.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Games my senior year, I score like four touchdowns in
the first half, and then that I have tolet me out. Yeah,
I feel like I would have brought broken a couple
more records if I was able to stay in the
game longer. I'd say my favorite performance, Uh, probably state
(40:25):
championship game my senior year. I end up scoring two
or three touchdowns with a pick six.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
And you're playing both ways?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah m hm.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
So offensively you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Played receiver and then defense, I was corner sometimes strong safety.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Were they just getting you the ball? Was it? We
got to just get Tucker of the ball because he's
the guy pretty much, so it didn't matter. You're running screens,
you're slants, but you're also did you have to have
decent speed?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I was all right, like a four four seven.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Now that's not all right, that's flying. Yeah, that's flying
all right.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And then defensively those are my prime though I can't
do that no more.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But you've had like seventeen surgeries in the last week.
It sounds like, yeah, so you played football, you played,
you're in track. You mentioned track.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You track?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yep, you play baseball. Let me guess you played shortstop
and pitched.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
If I'm just getting centerfield centerfield and UH pitched a.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Little bit too.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, sounds about right. At tracks. Yeah, that's where
they put the athletes shortstop, center field and then they
always pitch. Did you play baseball college? Did you want
to No? Just football?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Just football?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
What'd you did you playing in college?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I was a receiver.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I actually got drafted or not drafted. What recruited to UH?
To play strong safety is the original thing? And I
are to already signed my papers, like I'm going here
to play strong safety for Montana Tech University was the thing.
And then I want to say, a couple months before
I ended up moving to nash or UH Montana head
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coach his name is Chuck Morrell. At the time he
calls me, he goes, hey, man, I hope you're doing good.
We've been and it was like a super serious dude,
like borderline scary series. And he goes, we were looking
at your film a lot the past week, and how
would you feel about playing receiver for us? And I
immediately sighed relief. You know, I wanted to play offense
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and I wanted to be a receiver. And I was like, thanks, coach,
I would love to.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
He goes, you got it. Seeing a few sung up,
I was like, all right, and so, uh, you know,
I ended up playing receiver for them.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And when you got to to start playing college ball,
did you notice the speed was a lot faster.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Did you take to it pretty quick? Yeah, I'd say,
so you didn't get there and get so intimidated.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean my high school, our high school team was
very like open offense, like very fast paced, no huddles
a lot of the time unless we're up by quite
a bit, and then we'd huddle up and kind of
kill time. But we'd come out the gate, no huddle,
you know, fade post screen.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I so whatever it is, you know, it's just so
it's kind of not too crazy for transition. But the
the things that go in at surrounding the year, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Is a lot more.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
You know, you're four am workouts in the winter, six
pm film for four days a week. You know, it's
like there's a lot that it's a full time job.
So that I think that was like the biggest thing
that I had accustomed to do.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
That parallel with music, What are people not seeing that
actually is extremely valuable in what you do.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I'd say health is one thing, you know, keeping up
on my health, making sure I'm I'm stage ready.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
You know, eating good.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You can't get sick, Yeah, can't get sick. That's your money,
that's your band's money.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Exactly, that's everybody, you know, just trying to just trying
to stay on top of my health and make sure
I'm healthy, especially in the thick of touring, and you know, songwriting,
people don't really understand how much we really do.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Right and then like prep for.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
A tour, you know, you got you got rehearsals and
you know you'll have two weeks straight of just rehearsals
before a tour. Just make sure everything's you know, tie
as a button, and we know what to do if
this happens or this happens, and there's.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
A lot that goes into it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You know or like interviews, and you know, sometimes I'll
fly out to New York or LA for a couple
of days and just do press.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For days straight.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And do you ever do the thing in press where
you do so many in a row you forget if
you've already told that story in this interview. Yeah, that's
happened to me in this in this conversation, probably twice. Now,
what did you think you're already told or didn't tell.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
The story about me moving here? I feel like I just,
you know, told that so much that it's kind of
just repetition.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You brought that up. I did. I did to be fair,
That's my fault. Yeah, that's on you because I didn't
say you said you know your mom brought you down? Yeah,
I followed you.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah. Halfway through, I was like, I've told this story
so many times. He doesn't want to hear this, But
that's just part of it.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
What's been the best part about the year, because you
really popped off this year, like it's been crazy, And
I wonder sometimes if people understand what's happening to them
while it's happening. Do you understand what's happened to you
in the last year or are you just so in
it that you only partially.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Do They're I'm starting to know now that I got
some time off, and I kind of I can breathe
for the first time in ten months. But there was
a huge portion of this year where it's like I
wake up, I work out, play the show, write a song,
whatever it is that I'm doing throughout the day, and
it's just like all these all these crazy things would
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happen around me, and I'm just like, all right, what's next,
what's next, What's next, and kind of just focusing on
the task at hand instead of being able to like
celebrate what I just did or what what we just accomplished.
But now that I got some time off, and I'm really, like,
like last night, I was I was laying in bed
just thinking about how crazy this year has been and
how crazy my life is now compared to a year
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ago or two years ago even, and you know, it's
just it's wild being able to sit there and think about, damn,
this is really really cool, and it's everything everything I've
ever wanted.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I got three questions left. Did you buy a house yet?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I did. That's big, It's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I never I.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Never would have thought it would have happened this quick
where I can, like, you know, by my buy my
first piece of property and you know, take care of
my family the way I am, and you know all
the blessings that come with it that you know make
my heart happy in full and just having my own place.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
To call mine.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
You know, if you learn how expensive furniture is.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
It came furnished. Oh it came furnished, all right.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Flex Yeah, fully furnished house. What more gets his house
is furnited?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Not even know the guy? His name is Chuck.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
He classic Chuck hooking up with Chuck?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Does he goes? I just I'm trying to get rid
of the property. You can keep all the furniture.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I was like, all right, perfect, Well yeah, well you'll
learn then. Yeah, furniture sucks to buy. Yeah, because you're
having an adult a little bit now, you know, you're
not having to go full adult mode yet, but you're
Furniture sucked. Refrigerators suck, car tires suck. There are purchases
they just aren't fun to make because you feel like
You're spending all this money on things you don't really
use except use them all the time. They're just not
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dynamic to you.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
You just don't think about.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, first time I bought a refrigerator was like, I'll
just take one of those little ones, and then you
realize you actually need a real life adult those like dormy.
I know that's what I'm like. I'm I live this
small place with my whole life, all right. Two questions
left the Brunette World Tour. Do you get nervous about
tickets and venue selling when it's your show.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (48:09):
You know, especially like the moments before it goes live
or the pre sale goes live. I definitely bother my
team more than they would want me to, like, Hey,
how do we feel, how are we looking? Should we
do this venue instead of this venue?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And I definitely did a lot of that, But then
they're like, no, just trust process, trust us. And it
went live and what would you say? Eighty five percent
of it sold out pretty much the first two.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Days sold out. Oh man, that's so lucky.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And now it's sitting at like ninety seven percent sold out.
And by lucky I mean fortunate for you. You've earned it.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
God dang, you don't have to stress out about that.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I know, very very blessed.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's sold out to the point where we had one
night in London. Now we had to move to three
in the same venue, and the first two sold out,
the second ones pretty.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Much like some of the only tickets left.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Oh all three hold up, never mind, haang, flex got
furniture and all sold out. This is just you're comfortable
now and now I just don't want this out.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
There is how my life rocks? Oh gosh, no, not
even uh but no, I'm just it's very blessed. And
I don't know. That's That's the only way I can
explain it. It's just it's it's not me. I'm just.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
You know, I'm I'm not the hand. I'm just the
vessel kind of thing. It's it's amazing, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Final question, what question do you get asked in most
of the interviews that you know is going to come
up every single time? And you're like, I know it's
going to come up, so let's just go ahead and
do it.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
How'd you get here?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
You know, when you move to Nashville kind of thing?
And I kind of fell into that. But uh, that's
definitely when I get often.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Do Youah, it's just a bad But do you have
a quick version of it that you tell if you're
just not not feeling good?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
The one I told earlier? Yeah, yeah, I try to
keep it short.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
It's just, uh, it's just a story I've had to
tell for like three plus years now, ever since I
started doing interviews like this.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
What It's not that I get irritated with it. It's
just it feels like a repetition.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Have you told the pod part of it? Ever?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
What do you mean? No, I don't actually see.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
You give me the nuggets that you're tired of giving,
and I take and I extract new information from the
old nuggets. I'm basically the recycle center. You bring me
your old trap, and I turned it into good stuff.
I love it. That's amazing, all right, Good to see it, Tucker.
Congratulations on the next number one, the last number one? Three, two? One?
Great song? Why'd you pick that one? Because you're such
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a good writer?
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Think you?
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And that was a cut? An outside cut? What about
that song though? Made you go dang. I've written a
bunch of great songs, but I think I'm gonna cut
that one.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
It felt the most radio hisk at the time to
me in a sense, and.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I wanted to follow up, wind up with something that
kind of felt like it was in the same vein,
just to kind of lay the foundation in a sense.
But I don't know, it just felt right. It was
just a feeling that I hadn't then my team had
the same feeling.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Then let's wrap on this because you've set it up here,
brag about one more thing, but seriously, like, say something
really cool. I don't like no, no, because you got
me a cut with a couple good one. I like it.
It's been good. Like, tell me something else that's just
going awesome in your life right now. I just uh,
don't stumble, let's go. I'll commit to it. I just
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got a new septic at my house and they just
they just finished that off. That's big news this morning.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Actually, this is big wow, grown up stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, you're not on like city septic.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Personal I like relying on other people, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
But septic's not relying on other people. That's just living
in the community. I get my own water. I don't
need I don't need the plumbing.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
You guys, you're listening or you're watching. The Brunette World
tour kicks off in February. But he doesn't need you.
Hes already got people going to a show. He's already
sold out. Yeah, uh no, go watch Tucker. It's really
cool to watch even how much better you've gotten live
think because and that just comes with just just reps honestly,
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but even like the show you're playing here at the
Rhyman too. I mean you've played our you played our
show way back in the day. Just to kind of
watch the growth of you as a songwriter and an artist,
it has been really cool to see, man, Thank you man.
And also like how many abs do you have? Like
if you were to count to your abs, how many
do you have?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Not too much right now I'm kind of slack and
it's it's off season right now.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
That's bull trap all right. There he is, Tucker web More.
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
I moved back home and then I remember shutting her down.
I was like, Mom, I think I want to do
this music thing, and she goes, I've been waiting for
you to have this conversation with me.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Okay, We're going to hop into episode five sixty four
with Tucker Wetmore, who had a number one with wind Up,
Missing you. He's got his Brunette World tour kicking off
in February. You get tickets at Tuckerwetmore dot com. I
mean so much say about this guy, and I think
we talked about a lot of it here. Great athlete
in high school and even college, his story about moving
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to Nashville, just life now, and how twenty twenty five
was a big year for him. So here we go.
This is Tucker Wetmore here on the Bobby Cast. Tucker,
good to see you, Good to see you. We were
just talking about the holidays before we started this, and
you asked me the question, how is Thanksgiving? And I
was like, it's fine. It really was good.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't want you to feel weird about that question.
Is really give a very long pause. I've been injured,
like and I'm gonna put my foot up so I
want this is out of respect to a former athlete,
even hurt worse than I've been. I tore my ankle
and I just had surgery, and I've just gone from
cart to boot. This is like, okay, two days in
actual shoe.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
How's it feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Sucks?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, you've been there far worse than me, and I'm
much older. But you had what did you do?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And you're like, so I've blown listening out twice and
then uh, this ankle and.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like spiral fractured all the way up to be I
think it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I still bother you when it's cold.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
My knees kind of do its thing, but most of
the time it's it's fun. They're so advanced with those
surgeries now that it doesn't really bother me too much.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I went in and they took hitdab cartilage because I
tore my cartilage, and they put it in, glued it together,
and they were like, do not turn your ankle for
the next five weeks it will rip again. And so
Thanksgiving I was in a boot the whole time. That
would have been my answer, but then I thought he
doesn't care, and I was just like care. No. I
I literally thought, yes, he's a nice guy. He asked
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a nice question. I should have just said it was
great man, thanks for asking, and we could have moved on.
But it said I got really awkward, and I had
I had the existential moment of do I tell him
it really sucked or not? Well, I'm sorry to hear that. No,
it's it's all good food though.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, well we're here, we're still breathing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I just found out, Tucker. Thanks for asking. I just
found out like six months ago. I'm allergic to dairy,
which eliminates all good food.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's really unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, I got a bum ankle,
can't drink.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Thanksgiving was good and thanks the food was great. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I love to hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I had like the devil on the angel on the shoulders,
going tell him the truth, no small talk, get out
of there. What do you do for fun? Oh gosh,
we were debating that before you came in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's one of those again where I'm gonna say I
think you probably spend so much time on the road.
It's probably hard to write because you're gone so much
that you probably prioritize when you're home, hopefully getting to
a rested place so you can write, and sometimes resting
as in you, you probably want to go do things
that let you decompress, like fish, you play ball at all?
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Can you.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
A golf now?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay? Yeah, so what do you do? That would be
what I would guess.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That was pretty spot on.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean nowadays, I don't really have time for too much,
you know, free time. You know, everything I do is fun,
you know, like being on the road and right and
you know, putting the shows.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But you know, I like to fish. I like to
be outside.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I feel like if I'm indoors too too long, I
kind of go stir crazy. So I like to go
touch grass more often than not. I like to golf,
hang with my friends.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Do you ever go home?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Not often?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's so far. That's what's tough for you. Like a
lot of the people here, we all grew up somewhat
around Nashville, a lot of us from the southeast now
from Arkansas. So it's like we go back to Georgia
or Arkansas or Florida or Oklahoma, you gotta go all
the way frigging northwest.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, it's a it's a long flat, but I get
out there probably like once or twice a year. I
was just there, you know, the Thomas rhtt tour. We
did like a kind of like a hometown show in Ridgefield, Washington.
That's probably like twenty five minutes away from my hometown.
But I'll go home for I want to say, like
five days around Christmas time. Just spend time with family,
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see some friends. But it's a it's it's a place
that doesn't change, you know. So it's kind of I
go home and it's a little depressing, but I get
to see my people, so it's not at the same time.
But I can only spend, you know, a certain amount
of time being there.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What are the wet MoES known for?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh gosh, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Take your time. I struggle with Thanksgiving. Yeah, I asked
you a really hard way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
That's a great question. I mean, it's gonna sound clichepe
of just being kind. I guess my family's great. My
mom's an angel, my grandma's known by everybody in the county.
I don't know, just living life day by day like
everybody else, is what we're known for.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What's your mom like, she's one of those people.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I feel like the Good Lord has filled her cup
with so much love that she doesn't have any choice
but to like spill it onto others. That's the kind
of person she is, you know, always thinking about other people,
very selfless, My number one fan, always always in my corner.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Was she super supportive of you when you wanted to
start doing music.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, she was the one that was like, absolutely, go
do it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Did you go to her with the hey, I'm thinking
about doing this or what do you think about me
doing this? I'm gonna do this in front of you?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
How did that go?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it was.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was after I dropped out of college.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I was playing football in Montana and end up getting injured,
like we just talked about. And then I moved back
home and then started playing music again because I started
playing music when I was like ten or eleven years old.
I started on piano, guitar, trumpet, and I started writing
a bunch after college. And then I remember sitting her
down on a couch like we're sitting right now, and
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I was like, Mom, I think I want to do
this music thing, and she goes, I've been waiting for
you to have this conversation with me because you know,
even back in the day, she would always push me like, hey,
you kind of got something, so you should pursue that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm like, but football, you know, I want to play ball.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And then it was kind of like a siur relief
for I feel like, because she wanted she wanted me
to do that, and you know, she saw something in
me that I didn't really see at the time, and she.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Was very supportive. Helped me drive down from Washington.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It took us like three or four days, and I
had COVID actually during that whole trip, so she did
most of the driving. I think I did probably four
hours of driving total. But she she helped me move
and then you know, paid some bills when I first
moved to town because I had no money, just a
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handful of songs and a dream.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did she do music? Uh huh she was a musical
at all.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Nope, then how even playing instruments, But like I have
no idea, I guess Okay, So I grew up in
the church. My grandpa is a pastor, and uh, you know,
being around the church my entire life, literally every single
day being the church, and uh, my grandma would would
sing the hymns and I grew up in a Samoan family,
so they're very I don't know if you ever hung
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out with like a group of Samoans.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I never have. It's it's a it's a bucketless item.
I usually hang out one at a time with Smoan's
never done. I've never done a group.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a fun time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Are you Simoan a part Simoan?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Are in your heart?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Like when you look in the mirror, do you see
a Samoan guy?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm I'm definitely a mutt in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean I grew up a small culture my whole life,
especially like in the summertime, always you know, doing cookouts
and listening to reggae, and you know, all my aunties
and uncles and you know, it's a huge family type thing.
And but yeah, to answer your question, I mean, some
Moons are very musical people and very loving people and
giving people, and uh, you know, I just grew up
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around that, and it was it was kind of one
of those those things where like I've said this before,
but we'll be sitting in the in the living room
after Sunday church, we just had early dinner and watching football,
and somebody would start singing Amazing Grace and then the
next thing, you know, the whole family is just harmonizing
Amazing Grace in the living room, coming.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So I definitely grew up around that, and I think
that's my That might be where it kind of stems from.
But I definitely found my own love for music.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So your grandpa was Pastorage.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You mentioned your grandma. Do you call her grandma? Did Northwest?
What do you call her grandma? Who do you call
her grandma? Your mom? Is your dad not around or
was he around?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No? Not really?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
My dad wasn't wrong. I don't even know my dad.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, I definitely do know my dad. Uh, it's a
it's a complicated situation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I've been there, really there. You know you guys
have don't only talk, you do talk a little bit or.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
No, I haven't talked to him a long time, long time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The first time my dad reached back out to me
was on Facebook once publicly. Well, I haven't last time
I saw him, it's five I didn't see him again
till I wrote my second book, and I was just
telling people I was writing this book about face fears.
You know all you know struggle, don't you know. And
so the thing I was scared of most was going
to meet my biological dad because he left. He just left,
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like straight up, nothing was wrong, just decided to leave
my mom. My mom and my grandma raised me, and
so my grandma adopted me for a long time. And
so I went and I set up a thing and
met him. Well, it was bizarre. It was the first
time I'd ever seen somebody that looked like me. Really,
I saw him again. I didn't know my dad. I
was very angry. I still have crazy resentment toward him
(10:01):
for leaving when I was five years old and leaving
my mom in that place because she got pregnant at
fifteen and that ain't an easy life. And so I
remember seeing him in the parking lot and it looked
like a because he was seventeen. Again, they were kids,
and a little bit of my brain has to go.
They were kids making kids decisions. And I saw him, dude,
it was weird, that's wild. I'd never when this probably
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five or six years ago, oh well maybe seven at
this point, but around in that old forty five, I
was in my thirties.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I was scared to death and it was so bizarre.
And we went into this barbecue restaurant and I saw
him walking by, and I'm telling you, I don't know
if you look like your biological father, your mother, whomever.
I don't have really like a family, Like my mom
died drugs and alcohol. She died in your forties, and
so I never really had a family. So I never
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was really accustomed to like having conversations with people that
I was related to. And I was sitting at a
table with him, going, this is the weirdest thing to
sit with somebody that was a parent. Aside from all
the resentment, all the anger, all everything that I had
sitting across from him, I was able to kind of
separate that way. This is the first time I've ever
done this in my life. Because my mom and I,
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as much as she raised me and was in and out,
she was an addict her whole life, so there was
never a real, like true connection. But yeah, the whole
dad thing's weird. When you said that, it kind of
brought something up in me because I didn't meet my dad,
and I made myself go freaking meet him and it's weird.
We don't have a relationship now, but I don't hate
him as much, Yeah, because I've come to understand and
they'll talk now or No. He's in my sister's life
(11:38):
a little bit, and I respect that she's much younger,
so she didn't she wasn't a part of really being
alive when he left. Got so all with her has
been bonus. With me, there's a lot of he jumped
and he left me and my mom and that was
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very difficult for all of us.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, well, I mean within reason, you know, It's just
that's that's crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean just when you said that, it reminded.
But I remember. And my whole point of that was
I wrote this whole book and it was all really
pragmatic ways to success, and I thought, I am such
a hypocrite because I've listed all these things that I
hope people take from me and my life and my journey,
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and I hope they, you know, extract through my failures
and a couple of successes. But I felt like such
a hypocrite because the one thing I was so scared
of I'd never done. And I texted a cousin got
his number, texted him, was like, hey, your son, I'm
going to be in town. I wasn't going to be
in town, but I was just giving him a point
to meet me. And then I met him, and it's
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really one of the most nervous days I've ever been
in my whole life.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
M h, it's crazy. When's when's the last time you've
been really nervous?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Ce Mays for the for the that CMA performance, I
it was.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It was weird, though it wasn't like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
How'll explain it, so like the days before.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I was nervous, and then the day of and I
get kind of quiet when I'm nervous, and then the
day of, you know, obviously we have like a bunch
of interviews surrounding the CMA's a couple of days prior,
and you know, I got through all those, and and
then the day of. I remember waking up super nervous
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that morning, and then we kind of went through the
rotation of like how the day was, you know, unfolding,
and then we got to the awards and did the
red carpet and stuff like that, and I wasn't really nervous.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Nervous and dress rehearsal or like like a.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Little bit, yeah, which was like the day before or
two days before or something like that. And I remember
it was it was time for my performance, and you know,
most it was towards the end, so most of the
night has passed by and most of the awards have
been given out.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I remember it was time for me to get on
the stage. And I went back stage and changed and
walked up on stage and you know that that screen
that drops down and reveals the stage and you're sitting
back there for like six minutes, and it's the longest
six minutes of your life.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dude. I was, you know, leg was shaken. I'm like,
all right, breathe through it. I got this.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I've sang the song a million times and I wrote
I wrote the thing, so I know it front to
back most days.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And then I remember, probably like a minute and a
half before the thing goes up, I took a deep breath.
I was like, you know, what, can I cuss on this?
I was like, you know what, fuck this?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I got this.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I've sang this song a million times before, just another performance,
And so that's kind of the way I treated it
like right before, but do that those the two days beforehand?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I was I was pretty nervous a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Were you able to calm yourself down to actually like
see people in the crowd?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It might have been a god thing, but I it
was like a minute a minute and a half before
that thing went up, I immediately snapped into this mindset
of like, Okay, I'm exactly where my feet are right now,
Like I'm in this moment. I know I'm going to
see some people that I look up to, you know,
musically or personally or whatever, in the crowd, because they're
all right there like Stapleton, Uh, Cody Johnson, Luke Combs
(15:21):
was sitting right there, you know, all these people that
I've I've listened to for years. And uh, I remember
looking at, you know, a couple of people in the
crowd and then that kind of freaked me out mid
performance and so I'd like look up at the at
the ceiling a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And but it was it was fun, dude. It was.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was one of those like nerve wracking but fun experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Did you watch it back?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I did?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Did you like what you saw?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I was pretty happy with it, yeah, you know, and
it seemed like a lot of other people were pretty
happy with it, and uh, I'll.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Do it again, so you're probably gonna do it again
a lot, I hope, So yeah, if they'll have me back.
I just didn't know if you were so critical about
yourself that there probably that there wasn't a way for
you to enjoy watching it back.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I do get critical to myself often if I'm being honest,
But then I think is like, it's already happened, I
can't change it. Might as well just do better next time,
you know, And if there's like a little note or
a little misstep that I was oh, maybe I should
have gone to this side of stage. And you know,
it's it's very easy to easy to get down that
(16:24):
rabbit hole. But you know, I kind of think of
it as everything's a learning lesson and we're all just
living life for the first time. So why I think
about what you did yesterday when you got you know,
hopefully tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Were you able to enjoy that show since or at
least I will say pre year performance, or was it
all like, oh boy, I got a performer really can't
enjoy anything until I go on.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
At first, I was like kind of antsy, kind of nervous,
you know, my first time being nominated, my first big
TV performance like that. And then you know, i'd probably say,
like thirty minutes into the show, I'm like, no, this
is cool, this is a blessing to be here. I'm
just gonna enjoy, like be where my feet are and
enjoy everything that's going on on stage and around me.
(17:11):
And you know, I definitely found enjoyment in it, but
obviously I'm human.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is that a sports thing? Though? You be where your
feet are? Like, how did you react the same way
before you played a game, Like you would get nervous
until right before or take the first couple of plays
or yeah, like it feels like that's very parallel.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent, And it's it's a different stage,
but it's it's the same thing. You know, a lot
of people are counting on you to do your job
on the field or in the diamond or you know,
on the track or on the stage performing. It's there's
definitely a lot of nerves that go into what I do.
And honestly, I was talking to Thomas Read about this.
(17:51):
Actually a couple of months ago when we were on
tour and I asked.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Him that same question. I was like, do you ever
get nervous? Still?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Like he's been doing it since what twenty twelve, twenty eleven,
and without hesitation, he goes, oh, yeah, dude, every single night,
I'd get so nervous. And I'm like why, he goes, Honestly,
if you're not nervous, you don't care. And that's the
way I look at it. And he's like, it's a
blessing to feel nervous for something, because that's you doing
something that you should be doing him, that you care about.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And it's like, damn, that's it's true.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, you only get nervous about things that you value.
I spent four years on American Idol, like working with
the kids. They're not all kids, but a lot of
them were kids and young adults, and they would get
really nervous. Obviously not only they singing, but it's on television.
You get a couple million people watching. They'd get extremely nervous.
And the constant conversation I would have either on camera
(18:45):
off was, man, there are only so many times in
your life that you get to be nervous about something positive.
So when that happens, like, be grateful for those nerves.
You're not gonna make them go away. Yeah, that's the
thing about nerves. You really can't force them to go away.
The more you force them, the worst they are going
to get. So have an understanding that it's a real
(19:05):
treat to be able to be nervous for something positive,
because in your life there's gonna be a lot of
times or you're nervous about things that ain't so good.
Somebody sick, somebody money. There's a lot of anxiety and
anxiety and nerves kind of in that same beIN diagram.
I like what Thomas Redd said, because yeah, you get
to be nervous about something that is positive, like that
just made you care about it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's the coolest thing in the world, you know. And
I feel like if you kind of just would swap
your brain to think that way.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's just makes everything life easier.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But like for normal performances like concerts or something like that,
I don't get as nervous anymore. Sometimes a little bit
will hit me, but I get more excited, you know.
I kind of treat it like a football game where
I just kind of like hot myself up and you know,
start doing jump with jacks backstage or whatever it is,
and I kind of I kind of fire myself up,
like I'm I'm getting ready to go, you know, play
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football game or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And yeah, it's just life. You know.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Early on, did you go too hard and like have
to like catch your breath like you dude?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I still do it sometimes, Like I get I hide
myself up so much that song two comes around, I'm
like huffing and puffing, and uh, I've I've definitely started
to learn how to like, you know, breathe on stage
and you know, find my breath when when I don't
have it. But that was definitely a huge problem, just
(20:41):
because I would want to come out firing off and
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
An ball energy, but uh, it's a marathon, it is.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It is one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's why you have the screens and the lasers do
a lot of that big energy stuff that you come
out and have. When you moved to Nashville, Like what'd
you move down with?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Like I don't know what was on the car, like,
did you have a trailer? It was just small car stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, so it was it was just my car. And then.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
God bless my mom because she helped pay for like
one of those pod things that you that you ship over.
So we stacked that full of like my bed, a
couple of couches.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It wasn't big.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It was literally there was like not a square inch left.
But we fit all of my stuff in this pod thing,
and then we shipped it over and then packed my
car with a couple of.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Things, and then we just hit the road. Had you
been here before once before? It was it was the month.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Before, so you weren't coming like for years. No, so
you've been one time and you're like, screw it, I'm
moving down. Yeah, So what was the catalyst then that
made you move?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
What was the thing?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So that's why we visited.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
After I had that talk with my mom where I
was like I want to chase this music thing, she
was like, all right, where do you want to go?
I was like, well, I heard Austin's got some music
and obviously got music City down to Tennessee. And she
was like, well, let's go, let's go visit these things.
So I went to Austin by myself. I knew a
friend that I stayed with in Dallas, and we checked
out Austin. Wasn't a huge fan of it. It was
kind of in the middle of COVID, so it was
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like super dirty and after all those riots and stuff,
So wasn't a huge fan of it. Then a couple
of weeks later, me and my mom flew down to
Nashville just to check it out to see if I
wanted to move, try to find an apartment kind of thing.
And for the first days, first two days we were here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I remember looking at it. I was like, Mom, I
don't know. I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I I didn't get that like immediate old this is
the spot, you know, this is where I need to be.
And then because we're downtown, we checked out Broadway. We
checked out like Midtown and you know, you know all
that stuff, and it was it was a lot, and
you know, I come from a super small town. The
biggest building we got is the Poker Pietz that sells
pizza and it's half pizza, half far you know, that's
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the tallest building in my town. And you know, so
I wasn't I wasn't. He was on the huge, like
the big city kind of lifestyle. And I was like, Mom,
let's go to the outskirts of Nashville. Let's go find
some then that feels like home. Let's see if there's
a lake around here. Go Grable by teat I'm lake.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And so we found Old.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Hickory and uh, gosh, what's that place called the Rudder?
The Rudder on Old Hickris on the north side, and uh.
We ended up driving out there. We had lunch there
and immediately and no opportunities were like before moving in
or before visiting Nashville. My mom was like, we're not
(23:29):
just we're not going to try to, you know, force anything,
push anything, and like, if opportunities arise, then then we'll
know that's that.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is the right decision. I was like, I'm completely
in that boat. And so we went to the Rudder.
We sit down and start eating.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Immediately the manager of the whole place comes up just
starts talking to us. He goes, what are you guys
doing where you go from?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
YadA YadA? And I'm like, oh, we're we're just visiting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
See if we want to move to Nashville from Washington
and he goes, Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You do music.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I was like, I'm trying. I got a handful of
songs and a dream. And then he was like, dude,
I got.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
The stage right here.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you ever want to play it on like the
weekends during the summer, you can play it this the
outside stage. And then he was like, dude, or honestly,
if you need a job, you got a job here anytime.
And this guy doesn't know me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You just met him.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I just met him.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
He walked up at the table.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Five minutes before this, and he was like, if you
need a job, you got a job on the spot.
Just let me know when you're in town. I was like, mom,
I think, I think I got this feeling now. I
got this feeling where like if if something doesn't work out,
something else is going to work out. And she's like
all right, And so that was kind of like that's
where it swaps. And then I got a I didn't
ever take up take him up on the opportunity when
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I moved to town, but it was it was one
of those things that I could feel into my soul
that it was the right decision.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
From that day forward, does that guy know at all
that his brief interaction with you change the course of
your life.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I mean maybe if he watches this now, but no,
I don't think so. I haven't seen him since.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
What if he's really not a real person and it
was an angel? Do you ever think about that?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think about that very often.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
AX, Like, maybe you go back and you're like, hey,
is oh Sean here at Rudders They're like, Sean, he
died in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Fifty six, exactly. Yeah, he's the founder of.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
This place, mister Rudder. You mean he hasn't been around
me forty years. And you're like, no, no, no, he
wore like a bow tie, dark hair, and they show
you a picture and you're like, oh my god, dude,
I think of as an angel.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, having like weird encounters with people and just thinking like, oh,
maybe that was God trying to tell me something or
sending someone to tell me. So I think about it
almost every day.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That's a great story. You moved down How long until
you get any sort of money coming in at all
because of music?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Last year?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So how long were you here?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Two years ago?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I sign a publishing deal in twenty twenty two, So
did you move in twenty.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm moving twenty.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So what'd you do for two years? How'd you pay rent?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I door dashed.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Really back when FGL, that bar downtown was FGL. I
worked there for probably a week and a half, serving
food and I hated it, so I quit. Then I
would door dash and I was living on the skin
of my teeth for a while there. Like peanut butter
spoon for dinner kind of thing, and I'd buy these
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these packs of like Hamburger patties and I'll just cook
them up and throw an egg on it, and I'd.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Kind of like be my dinner.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But yeah, I mean, my my mom helped me a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
My mom and her boyfriend, they definitely helped pay some
bills a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And is there an appreciation now extra because of the
struggle before?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know? It's just I feel like.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Growing up with a silver spoon is a blessing in
its own way. But I feel like growing up with
the wooden one teaches you a lot more about how
life actually is and how it can be. You know,
if you don't try to work for something, and you know,
I feel like it's, uh, it's very important to know
(27:17):
what bottom feels like, especially when you get to the top.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Putting.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Being a good role model for the people that want
to do something anything in life.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know, yeah, you earned perspective.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I feel like, yeah, no perspective has ever wanted
because perspective is hard to get. You never want to
have to go through something that gives you perspective because
that's uncomfortable. But I'm very grateful at the respective that
I have never liked it while it was happening, but
I have such an understanding now of other people and
what they're going through because I've also gone through it,
which allows me to go, oh, hey, let me help
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you here, or let me give you some advice to
help you here, or you're gonna figure this out yourself.
But it's a weapon. Getting through stuff is a literal weapon.
You don't want to have to acquire the weapon. You
don't like it while it's happening, but once you have it,
it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, it's the the tailor's oldest time pressure makes diamonds.
You know, it's it's very cliche, but it's it's a
true thing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm gonna ask you this question. I want one hundred
percent honesty this is based off something you just said.
One hundred percent honesty. Raise your right hand. I Tucker
promised to be honest, I tuck her what more, promised
to be honest. Did you ever steal a fry or
any food when you were delivering door dash?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
No, not a single time.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
No, you are the most honorable door dash guy in
the history of door dash.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I promise you, not a nothing, not even thought about it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
One actually dumped out, he left it out and then
ate it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Uh huh, not a single time.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Honorable Tucker weapon, I try, I try. Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, that's fanzy to think about, though.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I feel like, shake the bag and let some fall.
I used to wait tables. I waited tables a lot,
and so yeah, that would happened.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Or for me it was after they were done as well,
if the roles had him in touch, or if something
had him in touch, I would say it needed.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Gotta do what you gotta do. I guess that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, Like I'm proud of you, Like it didn't need
a single fry and you raise your right hands and
you can't lie about.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
How'd you get your publishing deal? What was it that
got you the deal. Was it a single song or
was it a body of work with a few songs?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
No, I guess okay, So I was writing a bunch.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So when I moved to town in twenty twenty, I
didn't know anybody. I didn't know not a single person.
I didn't know anything about anything about the music industry
or you know, at all. And so I was I
would sit there in my apartment and kind of put
like covers out on TikTok and Instagram, and you know,
I wasn't doing like that influencer thing, but I was
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just posting my songs online. And then this girl named
Rikaile Marshall. She's got a publishing company named Backblocks, and
she saw some stuff online and then she's like, hey,
let's take a meeting. You know, I saw I saw
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a couple songs that you've written, and I kind of
see something, so let's take a meeting. And then took
a meeting, and then probably eight months later, I ended
up signing a publishing duale. And then I had another
offer from twelve six and I ended up going with Backblocks,
and then I would I was writing a little bit,
and then we brought some my manager now Autumn legend
(30:37):
to the team, and then I feel like once she
joined the team, I was I was starting to write
every single day, and you know, it kind of started
moving a lot then and then I teased some stuff.
We got to the point where I was like, all right,
let's start teasing some stuff as you know, try to
build the artist thing. And that's when I teased wanted
(30:58):
a whiskey and then end up missing. It happened right
after that, and it was kind of to the moon
from there.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Was co writing weird for you at first.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Very very especially when you first start, because it's kind
of like speed didding.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You're walking into a room with these people that you know,
some of them have twenty five number ones, some of
them have you know, they just got their first one,
so they're running high off of that, and you know,
it's just and then you're just I'm just me. I
ain't got nothing. Nobody knows who I am. I just
like to write songs and that's all I know. Well,
and it's you know, you're meeting new people every single day.
(31:32):
Sometimes you get paired up with whatever, and uh, but
I wasn't really accustomed to that because I was just
writing by myself for so long, you know, years before that,
and it took me a little bit of time to
kind of really open up and share my thoughts with
other people.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, the vulnerability part is really strange, Yeah, because it's
not like a licensed therapist. No, it's a freaking dude. Yeah,
and you're like, glet me to put my heart out
vulnerable Kansas. Yeah, like you moved here like two years
before me. You got it. That's weird, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
It was very weird.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But you know, I knew how, I know how important
it is, you know, to be part of the songwriting community,
and so I kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I knew if I didn't learn quick how to do it,
then the opportunity will pass me up.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So I just kind of, you know, sometimes two songs
a day and just like grinding for years.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
What was the first song that you wrote here in town?
And it doesn't even have to have made an album,
but that you thought, oh, I'm getting better, like this
is actually good and I'm super proud of it. And
do you remember that feeling like actually writing one where
you feel like you've leveled up.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I feel like I'm really
hard to satisfyify myself. You know, it's really hard to
like satisfy me for you know, satisfy me. And uh,
you know, I'm always just trying to write better and
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you know, write a better song. But there was a
moment in twenty four twenty three. No, it was twenty
three where I wrote wind and Whiskey and then wind
Up Missing You in.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
The same week and I d on it. Yeah, And
it was like the week after my birthday and.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I just turned twenty four or something like that. And
on that Monday, I wrote wind and a Whiskey and
then me and my buddy's like, hey, this is this
kind of fire, this is this feels good. And then
that Thursday or Friday, I walked into a room and
I wrote wind Up Missing You. And I think after
that week, especially when I started teasing both of them,
I was like, Okay, I see some growth. I see
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some like.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Some vision on.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Sound or you know, style or whatever it is that
I was that was spending years on chasing. And yeah,
I'd say that week was very pivotal for my mindset.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
When you wrote proving me right. How'd you feel about that?
Did you think it'd be something? Or do you write
so much at times you don't know and later on
you discovered to be something or did somebody else tell
you it's going to be something.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I mean, I feel like it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The conversation of if it's something is still pretty early,
you know, because it came out Friday, so just a
couple of days ago ago.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But but it has to be something of all this
stuff that you're writing that you've identified that as the
something of what you have coming out, like that's a
that's a single. Yeah, so it's got to be something
to you.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
No, it definitely felt to answer your question, it definitely felt.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Really good in the room.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And you know, I out of vision for how I
wanted the song to go and what I wanted to
say within the song. And I remember Jesse Joe I
voice memoed her right before I walked on stage.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think it was in like Washington or I was somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I was about to walk on stage, and I was
doing my vocal warm ups and then I started like
humming this this tune and then started singing the chorus
of proving me right, and I was like, I don't
know what this is, but I'm about to hop on stage.
I didn't want to forget it, and then I just
immediately sent it to her and no, I want to
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say a couple of months later we ended up writing
the song me her, uh, Chris Tompkins and you know
a couple other people, and.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Luke laired to forgetting Luke claired, Yeah, he's only got like, yeah,
thirty five, forty numbers.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm sorry, Luke.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I got I got anybody else I went to, is
that anything? But Luke?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I love Luke great dude.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And that was my first time working with him too,
so it was it was cool to get that, you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Know, that song out of that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That guy has such a history of writing for well
all the number ones, but oh you like doing hip
hop style? Yeah, like he's dude.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was it was like watching a machine watching him
do do his thing, because he was tracking the whole
the whole thing, and then he would turn around and
say like a badass line and we're like, yeah, that's
that's right, and uh so he'd write it down and
he's yeah, he's definitely a machine. He's one of my favorite.
He's becoming one of my favorite people that i've you know,
that I work with, and he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
What's the biggest fish I ever caught?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's a good quotion.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't think deep sea counts for the record. Growing
up with lakes, Okay, when people are like, well I
caught I got an albacorp French marlin, I'm like, dude,
that ain't the same. Like we're driver fishing, we're hybrid fishing.
I mean almost catfish don't count because they're bottom dwellers
and you can you can really sit there, you can
do you can cheat to catch big catfish.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Biggest fish I ever caught? I think it was like
a six or seven foot sturgeon off the Columbia River. Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I mean to.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Catch that because most of the time, if we catch
like gar you don't mean to catch them.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh yeah, no, Me and my buddies would go sturgeon fishers.
So to eat the sturgeon, there's a very small window
where you can keep them, and it has to be
between whatever size.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I don't think it was in the window of being
able to keep them. It's like one day out of
the year, one or two days out of the year.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
If that I fund like bad eating.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, it's it's some of the best meat in the world.
It's it's amazing. It's a white meat tastes great. I'm
sure it's it's great.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You should try. If you ever go to a place
and there's people when they say, man, eat perch, I'm like,
per terrible. There ain't no meat there.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I mean, if I'm hungry enough, I would, but I
wouldn't go out seeking perch meat. You know, but surgeon
fishing is fun. I saw my buddy one time. So
what we would do would go down to what.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Do you think that way you put on scale?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
No, we didn't guess thirty five pounds.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
What test lines you have on your on your run reel?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Fifteen twenty oh, so you had to be a bit
delicate with it then, Yeah, I remember, I remember a
test line wasn't wasn't too strong?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Is screaming?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh yeah, dude, you sit there and fight those fish
are hours.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You have to wear anything bigger out that's the way.
Obviously you know this, But anybody watching or listening, like
we used to striper fish a lot, yeah, and strippers
were big. I watched my mom catch a forty pounder once. Yeah,
I have caught My stepdad was a stripper guy for
a while. So we'd go out and catch shad and
(38:45):
then we'd just fish with striper and stripper were the biggest.
But hybrids, the striper white bass mix, they were the
best fighters, okay. And if we'd have we'd have you know,
twenty five pound tests or something on and you have
some of the fights harder than that. You got to
wear it down. You can't just reel it in, can't
pop your line. Yeah, when you got the sturgeon in,
we're like, oh my god, thinks wait a minute, and
(39:06):
we thought it.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, that's so what me and my buddies would do.
We'd go down to the bank of the Columbia River.
It was called the Clamor of Marina, and we'd go
down there, cooler lawn chairs, sometimes a fire right there
on the beach, and we'd cast out, let it sit,
put a put it in a put it in a
(39:28):
wrod holder, and put a bell on.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It and just sit there and drink and then then
it sit on the bottom. We're having a bobber.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No, it had sit on the bottom yep. And then yeah,
we'd just sit there and wait and drink and if
we don't catch anything, we caught a buzz.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You still exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
What was your greatest athletic performance in high school or college?
Like single game?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
That's a good question. Football, I'd say, I mean, there's
a couple of.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Games my senior year, I score like four touchdowns in
the first half, and then that I have tolet me out. Yeah,
I feel like I would have brought broken a couple
more records if I was able to stay in the
game longer. I'd say my favorite performance, Uh, probably state
(40:25):
championship game my senior year. I end up scoring two
or three touchdowns with a pick six.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
And you're playing both ways?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah m hm.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
So offensively you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Played receiver and then defense, I was corner sometimes strong safety.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Were they just getting you the ball? Was it? We
got to just get Tucker of the ball because he's
the guy pretty much, so it didn't matter. You're running screens,
you're slants, but you're also did you have to have
decent speed?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I was all right, like a four four seven.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Now that's not all right, that's flying. Yeah, that's flying
all right.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And then defensively those are my prime though I can't
do that no more.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But you've had like seventeen surgeries in the last week.
It sounds like, yeah, so you played football, you played,
you're in track. You mentioned track.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You track?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yep, you play baseball. Let me guess you played shortstop
and pitched.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
If I'm just getting centerfield centerfield and UH pitched a.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Little bit too.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, sounds about right. At tracks. Yeah, that's where
they put the athletes shortstop, center field and then they
always pitch. Did you play baseball college? Did you want
to No? Just football?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Just football?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
What'd you did you playing in college?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I was a receiver.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I actually got drafted or not drafted. What recruited to UH?
To play strong safety is the original thing? And I
are to already signed my papers, like I'm going here
to play strong safety for Montana Tech University was the thing.
And then I want to say, a couple months before
I ended up moving to nash or UH Montana head
(41:54):
coach his name is Chuck Morrell. At the time he
calls me, he goes, hey, man, I hope you're doing good.
We've been and it was like a super serious dude,
like borderline scary series. And he goes, we were looking
at your film a lot the past week, and how
would you feel about playing receiver for us? And I
immediately sighed relief. You know, I wanted to play offense
(42:17):
and I wanted to be a receiver. And I was like, thanks, coach,
I would love to.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
He goes, you got it. Seeing a few sung up,
I was like, all right, and so, uh, you know,
I ended up playing receiver for them.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And when you got to to start playing college ball,
did you notice the speed was a lot faster.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Did you take to it pretty quick? Yeah, I'd say,
so you didn't get there and get so intimidated.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean my high school, our high school team was
very like open offense, like very fast paced, no huddles
a lot of the time unless we're up by quite
a bit, and then we'd huddle up and kind of
kill time. But we'd come out the gate, no huddle,
you know, fade post screen.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I so whatever it is, you know, it's just so
it's kind of not too crazy for transition. But the
the things that go in at surrounding the year, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Is a lot more.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
You know, you're four am workouts in the winter, six
pm film for four days a week. You know, it's
like there's a lot that it's a full time job.
So that I think that was like the biggest thing
that I had accustomed to do.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
That parallel with music, What are people not seeing that
actually is extremely valuable in what you do.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I'd say health is one thing, you know, keeping up
on my health, making sure I'm I'm stage ready.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
You know, eating good.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You can't get sick, Yeah, can't get sick. That's your money,
that's your band's money.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Exactly, that's everybody, you know, just trying to just trying
to stay on top of my health and make sure
I'm healthy, especially in the thick of touring, and you know, songwriting,
people don't really understand how much we really do.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Right and then like prep for.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
A tour, you know, you got you got rehearsals and
you know you'll have two weeks straight of just rehearsals
before a tour. Just make sure everything's you know, tie
as a button, and we know what to do if
this happens or this happens, and there's.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
A lot that goes into it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You know or like interviews, and you know, sometimes I'll
fly out to New York or LA for a couple
of days and just do press.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For days straight.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And do you ever do the thing in press where
you do so many in a row you forget if
you've already told that story in this interview. Yeah, that's
happened to me in this in this conversation, probably twice. Now,
what did you think you're already told or didn't tell.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
The story about me moving here? I feel like I just,
you know, told that so much that it's kind of
just repetition.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You brought that up. I did. I did to be fair,
That's my fault. Yeah, that's on you because I didn't
say you said you know your mom brought you down? Yeah,
I followed you.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah. Halfway through, I was like, I've told this story
so many times. He doesn't want to hear this, But
that's just part of it.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
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Speaker 2 (45:31):
What's been the best part about the year, because you
really popped off this year, like it's been crazy, And
I wonder sometimes if people understand what's happening to them
while it's happening. Do you understand what's happened to you
in the last year or are you just so in
it that you only partially.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Do They're I'm starting to know now that I got
some time off, and I kind of I can breathe
for the first time in ten months. But there was
a huge portion of this year where it's like I
wake up, I work out, play the show, write a song,
whatever it is that I'm doing throughout the day, and
it's just like all these all these crazy things would
(46:05):
happen around me, and I'm just like, all right, what's next,
what's next, What's next, and kind of just focusing on
the task at hand instead of being able to like
celebrate what I just did or what what we just accomplished.
But now that I got some time off, and I'm really, like,
like last night, I was I was laying in bed
just thinking about how crazy this year has been and
how crazy my life is now compared to a year
(46:26):
ago or two years ago even, and you know, it's
just it's wild being able to sit there and think about, damn,
this is really really cool, and it's everything everything I've
ever wanted.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I got three questions left. Did you buy a house yet?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I did. That's big, It's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I never I.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Never would have thought it would have happened this quick
where I can, like, you know, by my buy my
first piece of property and you know, take care of
my family the way I am, and you know all
the blessings that come with it that you know make
my heart happy in full and just having my own place.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
To call mine.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
You know, if you learn how expensive furniture is.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
It came furnished. Oh it came furnished, all right.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Flex Yeah, fully furnished house. What more gets his house
is furnited?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Not even know the guy? His name is Chuck.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
He classic Chuck hooking up with Chuck?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Does he goes? I just I'm trying to get rid
of the property. You can keep all the furniture.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I was like, all right, perfect, Well yeah, well you'll
learn then. Yeah, furniture sucks to buy. Yeah, because you're
having an adult a little bit now, you know, you're
not having to go full adult mode yet, but you're
Furniture sucked. Refrigerators suck, car tires suck. There are purchases
they just aren't fun to make because you feel like
You're spending all this money on things you don't really
use except use them all the time. They're just not
(47:43):
dynamic to you.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
You just don't think about.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, first time I bought a refrigerator was like, I'll
just take one of those little ones, and then you
realize you actually need a real life adult those like dormy.
I know that's what I'm like. I'm I live this
small place with my whole life, all right. Two questions
left the Brunette World Tour. Do you get nervous about
tickets and venue selling when it's your show.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (48:09):
You know, especially like the moments before it goes live
or the pre sale goes live. I definitely bother my
team more than they would want me to, like, Hey,
how do we feel, how are we looking? Should we
do this venue instead of this venue?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And I definitely did a lot of that, But then
they're like, no, just trust process, trust us. And it
went live and what would you say? Eighty five percent
of it sold out pretty much the first two.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Days sold out. Oh man, that's so lucky.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And now it's sitting at like ninety seven percent sold out.
And by lucky I mean fortunate for you. You've earned it.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
God dang, you don't have to stress out about that.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I know, very very blessed.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's sold out to the point where we had one
night in London. Now we had to move to three
in the same venue, and the first two sold out,
the second ones pretty.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Much like some of the only tickets left.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Oh all three hold up, never mind, haang, flex got
furniture and all sold out. This is just you're comfortable
now and now I just don't want this out.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
There is how my life rocks? Oh gosh, no, not
even uh but no, I'm just it's very blessed. And
I don't know. That's That's the only way I can
explain it. It's just it's it's not me. I'm just.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
You know, I'm I'm not the hand. I'm just the
vessel kind of thing. It's it's amazing, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Final question, what question do you get asked in most
of the interviews that you know is going to come
up every single time? And you're like, I know it's
going to come up, so let's just go ahead and
do it.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
How'd you get here?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
You know, when you move to Nashville kind of thing?
And I kind of fell into that. But uh, that's
definitely when I get often.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Do Youah, it's just a bad But do you have
a quick version of it that you tell if you're
just not not feeling good?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
The one I told earlier? Yeah, yeah, I try to
keep it short.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
It's just, uh, it's just a story I've had to
tell for like three plus years now, ever since I
started doing interviews like this.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
What It's not that I get irritated with it. It's
just it feels like a repetition.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Have you told the pod part of it? Ever?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
What do you mean? No, I don't actually see.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
You give me the nuggets that you're tired of giving,
and I take and I extract new information from the
old nuggets. I'm basically the recycle center. You bring me
your old trap, and I turned it into good stuff.
I love it. That's amazing, all right, Good to see it, Tucker.
Congratulations on the next number one, the last number one? Three, two? One?
Great song? Why'd you pick that one? Because you're such
(50:31):
a good writer?
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Think you?
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And that was a cut? An outside cut? What about
that song though? Made you go dang. I've written a
bunch of great songs, but I think I'm gonna cut
that one.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
It felt the most radio hisk at the time to
me in a sense, and.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I wanted to follow up, wind up with something that
kind of felt like it was in the same vein,
just to kind of lay the foundation in a sense.
But I don't know, it just felt right. It was
just a feeling that I hadn't then my team had
the same feeling.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Then let's wrap on this because you've set it up here,
brag about one more thing, but seriously, like, say something
really cool. I don't like no, no, because you got
me a cut with a couple good one. I like it.
It's been good. Like, tell me something else that's just
going awesome in your life right now. I just uh,
don't stumble, let's go. I'll commit to it. I just
(51:30):
got a new septic at my house and they just
they just finished that off. That's big news this morning.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Actually, this is big wow, grown up stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, you're not on like city septic.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Personal I like relying on other people, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
But septic's not relying on other people. That's just living
in the community. I get my own water. I don't
need I don't need the plumbing.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
You guys, you're listening or you're watching. The Brunette World
tour kicks off in February. But he doesn't need you.
Hes already got people going to a show. He's already
sold out. Yeah, uh no, go watch Tucker. It's really
cool to watch even how much better you've gotten live
think because and that just comes with just just reps honestly,
(52:17):
but even like the show you're playing here at the
Rhyman too. I mean you've played our you played our
show way back in the day. Just to kind of
watch the growth of you as a songwriter and an artist,
it has been really cool to see, man, Thank you man.
And also like how many abs do you have? Like
if you were to count to your abs, how many
do you have?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Not too much right now I'm kind of slack and
it's it's off season right now.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
That's bull trap all right. There he is, Tucker web More.
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