Lots to Say: Mini Camps Underway and NFL Analyst Bucky Brooks

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel reveal some early brushes with the law as teens.   Onto NFL minicamps, Matt talks about life as a rookie and being intimidated by veterans.  Bobby gives his thoughts on Fernando Mendoza changing styles with the Raiders.  What are you expecting from Diego Pavia with the Ravens? 

Fmr NFL player Bucky Brooks looks back at the Draft and the teams that 'won' or were questioned. How should the Chiefs handle the return of Patrick Mahomes with their issues on the offensive line. Bobby asks about the practices of 'consistent' organizations.  Bucky talks about the rookies he expects to succeed early with their new teams.  How can Dak Prescott and the Cowboys improve this season? As an UNC alum, Bucky talks about what's next for Bill Belichick's Tar Heels.   

Wrapping up, Matt is wondering who will be the Browns' starting QB with their roster.  Plus, where do you think Anthony Richardson will play?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lost,
Just say.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got lost to save.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
What the backer here and.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We hope you stay because.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
We got lost.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
Just say yeah, we got lost. Just say.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now here's Bobby and that I reached my pocket. Just
now I've passed by my pocket, like right as the
song was playing, and I was like, oh no, my
wife probably brought to but we were coming up here today.
I try now to leave when I do the radio show.
We worked there all morning and most of the time
I would just go from there and drive over here,

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not go home. But now that we have a baby,
I try to go home for a little bit of
time thirty forty five minutes, just help the wife out
or at least be there to support her if she
needs it. And she will walk the baby around in
that carrier. The baby loves sleeping in the carrier. And
so she was like, I'm going to walk she goes,
I'll will walk around your new studio, right, and so
I was like gras, I said, I don't think any

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the guys ever met the baby before either.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And so we just had her in here.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Oh my gosh, you talk about precious and the head
of hair and those cheeks and her eyes are open.
I mean, I remember those stages. There's nothing better other
than maybe the sleep time and when she's a little cranky.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So is there really nothing better or is that just
what you say because.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
At that moment, every moment that you have, as they
get a little bit older, every stage gets a little
bit better. But it is one of those that I
look back now and I've got a sixteen she's going
to turn sixteen this week, and it feels like it
was just yesterday that she was in my arms and
I was holding her and she's fallen asleep. Like you
miss those days, but you also are able to put
outside your mind that some of them are tortuous just

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because of the strain of putting them to sleep, of
the eating patterns and everything else.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
But yeah, soak it in. Brother.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So what it sounds fun is when you talk about
your son hitting home runs and you're.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Like, you knocked it.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I'm like that sounds like, well it gets better.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
That was awesome, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
That was awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
But you also have as your girls grow up, as
your boys grow up. They hit a stage when they're
not that little kid that wants to come up and
you're their world and you're their superman. They want to
hug on you and cuddle with you. Instead, they're like, hey, dad,
look when we get to school, just let's put up
the windows, turn down the music, and just make sure
you don't embarrass me.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Okay. So it's a different it's a different mode of operation.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
As they get a little bit older and they start
to get a little independence, you see that innocence start.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
To leave a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Does it make you wish that you'd have been nicer
to your parents in that fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old face.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Oh, I was a hellion. It was starting at twelve
years old.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
We used to go egg cars, We used to do
all the different bad stuff that kids did back then,
and I remember getting in trouble all the time and
my parents would ground me. I was like, gosh, it
didn't register to me that I was just ad at
the time, But looking back, I was like, I can't
believe my parents didn't just send me off the boarding school.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Did you ever get me any real trouble as a kid.
I could get arrested for something like throwing exit cars.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I didn't get arrested.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
So we were at a Dodger Stadium game and I
was with three of my buddies. I wasn't even driving,
and we picked up some beer beforehand, drank some beer,
went to the game, and we're leaving Dodger Stadium. We
missed the first entry point on the freeway, so we
had to go down and we're in Echo Park and.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
There was this guy walking down the street.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
His pants were sagging like down past his passes butt,
and I of course puts the window down and says, hey,
where are you from? Like that, just messing around because
I knew we were in the turn lane. Well, of course,
as I'm yelling out at this dude, a cop is
pulling through the intersection. You could kind of see him
start to break lights, and I was like, Reggie, go,
that's my buddy who's driving. So we get up. We're

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about two miles and I think we're in the clear.
Next thing I know, sirens hit. Pull off to the
side of the road. They instruct us to go turn
around the block, and it's like a movie scene. It's
like the lights are flickering, dark dusolatet alley and there's
three cops in this car.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
They get out and pull their guns on the car.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Because they didn't know what because they were in I
came to find out they're gang crash unit or something
like that. So we have to put our hands out
the car. We're walking backwards for them. They tackle me,
put me in handcuffs, and put me out.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hey. Yes.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
So they then all of a sudden bring my buddies out.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
None of them get handcuffed or thrown to the ground
or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
They're get lined up.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
They find the beer, they make them throw it out,
and the guys are coming up to me, is this
is gonna be your first night in juvie hall?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was like, what what did I do exactly? That
was so bad?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
But I think that they're just proving a point, helping
me learn a lesson. Long story short, after all this
goes on, they let those guys get back in the car,
and I really do At this point, I'm convinced that
they're taking me into juvie hall. Like I'm like, what
is going on? Finally the guy undoes my undose my handcuffs.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I can't believe you're a handcup. By the way, that's crazy.
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
For fifteen minutes and I was sitting in red ants
and I told the company. He says, oh, just shut
that up. I was like, oh god, dude, I'm in
serious trouble. Lostory short minor consuming alcohol.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Give me a ticket. We go home.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
I go to the court date. It's in Echo Park.
Walk in and I think I'm gonna get to give
my sob story. Wrong element of guys. This and these
guys were all my best buds, but I had to
throw them nd her a bus to get out of trouble.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Didn't get to say a word.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
This old guy looks at me and goes, Okay, minor
consuming alcohol. Your license is suspended for a year. You
have to pay three hundred and fifty dollars. You have
to go to a drug rehabilitation class. Drug rehabilitation class.
Guess where that is? In Echo Park.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I go in.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
There's ten people like round table. First thing you have
to do is introduce yourself and tell them why you're there.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
First dude gets up says, my name is this? That
and the other I took PCP and stole a car.
Next guy says, I had an arm robbery while I
was one dude. I was sixteen, just turned sixteen, just
got my license. So they're going around this room and
these dudes look hardcore. I mean you talk about like
the tear top, drop tattooed next, I mean, they look

(06:18):
the part. And then they get to my who wore
like a polo shirt trying to think that polo shirt
and like khaki shorts, and the next thing you know,
they get to me and I'm like, uh yeah, my
name's Matt Castle and I was a minor consuming alcohol
and that's why I'm here, and they start cussing at
me in all different languages and stuff. We literally had

(06:38):
to sit there the entire day. I don't think one
of the conversations was about alcohol abous. It was all
about what these hardcore drugs, heroin, coke, this the trade,
what it does, how it impacts you. And I just
was sitting there sucking my thumb. Were you scared straight?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I was very scarce.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I was like, wow, never thought having a few pops
before Dodger game was gonna get me in this situation.
But you could imagine how how fulfilled my mom was
at that point because she liked that you went through
that hardcore. No, she hated the fact that I did
even got to that point that I was stupid enough
to be in a car and doing all that.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
So she's like, yeah, you you actually get with you
you deserve.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
But yeah, yeah, I had to have my mom drive
me to the costs because you didn't have I have
a license for a year, for.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
A whole year.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
They literally just said, I just got my license because
you yelled at it, dude, because I yelled at it.
Did and then but then you had you had been drinking. Yeah,
I think they would have let me go if they
didn't find any beer or anything like that. But because
I fessed up when they found the COR's light in
the back of the car and they made them throw
it out, They're like, all right, be serious, were you
were you guys drinking?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I was like, well, I only had two or three beers.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
This and the other.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
And he's like, all right, minor, consume me.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I have a whole boom.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Did any other friends get in trouble at all?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Not at all, dude, I was even driving. I mean,
nobody got in trouble. Everybody you weren't driving. No fights,
not just that you just admitted it. Would you if
you were to go back, would you say, Nope, I
had n't been drinking. I think I was so frazzled
at that point, being handcuffed and tackled your hand and

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put by the car and being threatened with Juvie Hall
that I was like, man, I'm just gonna tell you, yeah,
I'm innocent other than I had a few beers.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
And so the handcuffingy thing's wild. I've never been handcuffed anybody.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Yeah one time?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Really? Yeah, Kevin?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yes, yeah? Would you do?

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Short story of it is, got in a fight with
a few friends. Cop showed up.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
We all took off, and I'm running and running, and
all of a sudden the cop was chasing me. And then
I hear, as I'm hopping a wall, I hear him say,
you know, get down.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
I got a taser pointed right at that.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
It would have been awesome if you got taser.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
He did. He have one eyes.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
As soon as he said that, I said, I'm done,
I'm coming down. So I did not want to get
tasered at the top of a fence. So I came
down and then sat in handcuffs on the on the
curb waiting for them to do all their work. I
didn't get in trouble, but I did get handcuffed, just
never got taken in or anything.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, what did they tell you and they let you go?

Speaker 7 (09:04):
There is said basically I was probably about Castle's age sixteen.
They basically said, just stop being an idiot. And they
arrested one of my buddies because he's the one that
got in the fight and he drove off and got
a duy. But everyone else they just kind of let
us go, have our parents come pick us up and
we're good to go.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
He had to call your parents that.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Oh yeah, a couple of times I'd do that.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yeah, that go not fun. No, No, the silent tree
bit is what I got on the way home.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, I just got a good, you know, verbal lashing.
And it just so happened that before the court date,
I was driving my brother over to his girlfriend's house
and I was speeding fifty four and a forty.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Get pulled over.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
I remember we were we had a VW bug that
I was driving, and the cop pulls up. Well, my
mom hadn't unfortunately, had not done the insurance recently, so
I didn't have insurance, and I had a paper license
that the other license hadn't come to our new house yet.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
So he's told me, well.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
You're driving without you're driving with an expired license, and
you don't have proper insurance insurance. We're going to pound
your car. I had to walk down to the make
Donald's and call my mom from a payphone and tell her, a, Mom,
I know I just got that other thing, but also
your car just goten pounded.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Wait, so they ended up pounding the car.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I thought they were threatening you.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I don't know they actually I literally.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Had to sit the Donalds with my older brother.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
Dude, I thought that was a threat.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
No, literally impounded the car, took it, and I watched
it get on the tow truck and leave, and I
was just like, oh my god, I'm in so much trouble.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I couldn't do anything for months.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I'm jealous of those stories. I'm sure at the time
it wasn't fine, But you know what I did as
a kid. I read books. That's what I did, and
I don't have good stories. I would love to hop
in and be like, oh, you'll never believe me. One
time I was climbing the fence we were burglarizing the house,
and I don't have any of that.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I got nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I'm like, I bought encyclopedias want at a time at
the grocery store and read them.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Yeah they're funny now, but you definitely have the time.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
At the time.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, you're just sitting there going, oh boy, this is
not good.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
So there was quite a few of crazy stories growing
up where I was just like, I can't believe I
did that. And then I think about my kids and
I can't imagine any of my children being in those
type of situations a lot of other situations that I
was in when I was at age.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But could your parents have imagined you in those situations?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
They probably gave me too much credit for being a
good kid, which overall, I'd say I was a good kid,
just had a wild side and there was a lot
of opportunities to go off the reservation.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
One other kid question, when did you.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Know like your girls were going to be athletes, not
because they wanted to, but because you would notice hand
eye coordination or speed, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Hmmm, that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
It probably was around four or five when you start
to see that, oh, they can catch a ball, or
they you'd put out the little plastic golf ball and
see if they could hit a golf ball or do
anything like that. And that's when you kind of started
to see, oh, they've got some hand eye coordination.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Now, you really don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Until they grow up a little bit more where you
start to see them compete against other kids, because so
much of this now is specialized, Like there's kids getting
private lessons at seven, eight, nine years old. Well, phil
accelerate early, but it might cap out at a certain
point and then maturity catches up to them.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
But yeah, I think at a young age, probably four
or five, you can tell that they've at least got
a foundation of athleticism.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
That's too long to wait.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
The thing that my baby now is seven weeks old
and she can just now do an eleven minute mile, and.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
So it's a little slow for us.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
We're gonna get a running coach, yah, yeah, get a
running coach.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, around twelve weeks we expect the running coach to
be They're.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Gonna live with it. It's gonna I really want condition.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, I want to.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Stay away from the hills, flat land.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay, I'm gonna talk football now.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Let's suck some football.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
When you go to mini camp and everybody is a rookie,
is that like freshman orientation? Absolutely, because I you know,
I went to college and it felt a little safer
because everybody else with me was a freshman and we
all knew we were gonna get pounded later or is
going to be all the upper But it was just
like safety with the other freshman. You're all learning, but
it's a little nerve wracking, but you're like, okay, there's

(13:08):
no seniors or anything here. Is that what rookie mini
campus like?

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yes, And it's also baptism by fire. They get you
in there, they bring you into the locker room. And
in New England where we were, they bring in temporary lockers.
And I think I told you this before, So if
you're a rookie, you get a temporary locker amongst all
the vets lockers. And at that time in New England,
when you'd walk in and you'd see Teddy Bruski, Mike Rabel,
Willie McGinnis, Richard Seymour, Rodney Harrison, Tom Brady, you can

(13:34):
go down the list and you're just a little bit
intimidated by the moment. But like you said, they're not
there yet, so as rookies, you kind of have this
natural bond all coming in together, and they even bring
in free agents as well, and some of the guys
that were veterans that maybe are going in their second
year that were on practice squad to fill up kind
of the practice space so you can get out there
and run drills, and then from there it's jumped right

(13:56):
into meetings. You have Belichick obviously come do an introductory speech,
what the expectation level is, this, that and the other,
and then it's jumped right in to if you're on
the offense side of the ball, we're going to do
an install. Now it's very minimal, but it's a foundational
approach to look, this is what we're going to run.
This is what we're going to do. And then you
go out do drills, and then you get into team
period and you're just kind of you're rolling. You're hoping

(14:19):
that you retained enough information over these meetings and understand
a little bit conceptually what they're trying to achieve that
you go out and have a little bit of success.
But it's much much different the moment those veterans step in.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
At rookie mini camp.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Is it an understood hierarchy though, of the first round,
second round, third round draft picks versus the free agents
the later round picks.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
To a certain extent, I mean, because usually when you
all come in as rookies, they draft to needs and wants,
and a lot of times those needs where it could
be an offensive lineman. Logan making Making's our guard, all
pro maybe potential Hall of Famer, was our first round pick.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
We had a guy Alis Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Who was a cornerback.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
So we had a bunch of different guys from different positions,
and so you're not necessarily competing with them, but you
also understand, hey, this guy's got status, he's a good player,
he's a first rounder. Like Logan was my roommate in camp,
so we would we'd hang out all the time.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
But great guy.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
We were both on the same side of the ball,
but they're also going through the same struggles.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Because really it's.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
About how much knowledge you can gain over these installs
and how you're able to apply it, because the biggest
part of rookie mini camp is understanding the system and
then getting a feel. When you're watching the film of
Tom Brady doing it of how it's applied right, and
so you you just start that learning curve.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I was watching some of the Raiders camp and watching
Fernando Mendoza, and I think one of the I almost
say struggle. One of the things he's dealing with now
is that he was in shotgun the whole time, right,
and now he's having to be under center. I think
around seventy five percent is what they said. And it's
so different for him that him and a rookie center

(16:00):
or two are in the hotel away from the facility,
Like they got all the reps into the facility, they
get extra reps in, but they're just snapping the ball.
Is it that different to take snaps under center when
you've been just in shotgun for the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
It is because it's such a feel thing.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
And then also so much of playing the quarterback position,
especially in the past game, is your footwork. So when
you're in the gun, say you have a three step
under center, so you're taking three steps like in the
short game and stuff like that. In the gun, it's
usually a catch and gather when you're throwing on rhythm
in the outside, it could be a speed out on
the outside or what we call stop route, nine yards,

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turn around and the ball should be out, but it's
five in rhythm, let the ball go, and so so
much of that if you haven't done it a lot,
is that is very difficult to just try to pick
up and start at that point.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Now.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
I'm sure he's been drilling it all off season working
up to this moment, but there is so many little
nuances that happen under center in terms of timing and
how you see the defense, and how you have to
be in rhythm get from one to two to three,
and the hitches and everything else that take place with
just the bottom half of your body. That is absolutely

(17:13):
a huge adjusta adjustment for somebody that's only been in shotgun.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think what I just learned from this is that
my mind goes, well, they're just taking a lot of
snaps and they haven't done that. It hasn't been about
footwork to me, but it seems like that would be
the biggest because you've learned none of that. It's not
even about taking the snap or catching it from shotgun
or being there and taking it from the center. It's
literally about the footwork you've never had to do.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Right and that's a lot of times that's muscle memory
for guys that have done it for a long time.
If you've never done it and you've only been in gun,
then that transition, like I said, can be difficult at times,
especially when you're doing it in live action for the
first time. You just how you even you see the field.
You're five yards away in the shotgun, you're under center,
and now you're getting five to six yards away from center.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
It's just different.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Some of the guys, and I have four of them
to the top quarterbacks from this year's draft class who
are taking a pay cut to go pro because of
an il Diego Pavia two million dollars at Vandy last year.
Now his year one Ravens salary is eighty five. But
none of his money is guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Right, He's still got to make the team.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, And now what these agents are doing is announcing
like a three year deal when it's literally just if
the team keeps you there, they have the ability to
keep you for three years, no guaranteed money. So yeah,
he has no money. He does look small, He is small,
but he does look do you guy see the videos?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, he does look small.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
He does look small, ye tiny.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
He moves really well though. I don't think anyone questioned that.
And I think if there was a system that he
was going to be in and have a shot, it
would be the system that he's in, which is why
they chose him, which is Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
But his hair is blonde.

Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yes see, they got lot like a old like eminem Look.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Oh really, if I were Diego Pavi trying to bring
as much attention off.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Of your That's exactly it.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I'm doing everything possible to be as square, no attention.
I'm not dying my hair, everybody, sir, Yes, sir. I'm
saying nothing unless it needs to be said. I'm trying
to prove, not just on the field, but off the
field that I can be the person that people don't
think I am. When I saw the blonde here, it's

(19:27):
screaming attention. It's people are going to talk about that
in the comments. I don't want to comments talking about
anything other than hey, this is a guy working hard.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Right, And that's always Belichick's thing is you should be
seen but not heard as a rookie, and that's part
of it is don't come in and be a distraction.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
You're a big personnality.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
You're a big storyline anyway, just because of the success
that you had in college, and everybody was like, is
this guy going to get drafted? Heisman Trophy finalist, all
those things and all those components. But at this point
you're starting at ground zero and you've got an uphill climb.
So instead of doing anything that brings attention towards you
other than you're on the field productivity, I just think

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it works against you.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, it's it's even less than ground zero. Like he's
coming in with a reputation, and you don't want a
backup or a third string quarterback to get any attention
right none. You don't want them to beat somebody that
the reporters are at their locker when the game is over,
because they'll be at Diego Pavis because he will be
a distraction, like it or not, based on all the
distracting things he did pre Ravens. Yes, but then you

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dye your hair blonde. Who who is not telling him
because somebody's doing him wrong, even if it's his mom,
if it's his agent, I like, I don't have any
he does have an agent or a lawyer. Somebody's got
to say stop doing stuff that brings any attention to you.
It's crazy. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
It's just some of these guys just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Carson Beck, and Carson Beck has a real shot to play.
He does, yeah, because I mean he was also drafted with.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Round two or three.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
I believe three three.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
He made four million with Miami. His year one salaries
one point three million. Now a lot of people go, well,
why would they leave and make less money just in general,
But it's not so much about what you're making your
one year two. It's getting to that second contract, right.
Your first contract's your first contract. Even if you're the
number one pick overall, you're gonna make some money. It's
the fifth year option. If they pick that up, you'll

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make some money there.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
But that's just a negotiating chip that you'll have in
your back pocket to say, Okay, I've done enough to
where I'm going to get to the second contract, and
that's where you break the bank.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Nuss Meyer made four million LSU his year one salary.
If because I don't think he's guaranteed either. I couldn't
believe the Saints didn't take him in like round six
or seven because his dad's e OC there.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Right, I'm sure that that is an interesting dynamic to
have your dad be the OC and then you draft your.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Son round seven though, And it's true, and neus Meyer
was good. He was hurt last year, right, you know
they say his interviews turned off a lot of people.
I don't even know if that's true. Right, people say
all kinds of stuff, right, But he was a good quarterback.
He was hurt, a good quarterback all last year. Just
what I thought. Maybe his dad's like, come on, just
save him, man, we can cut them, but just pick him.
It's this embarrassing for him. A Kate club Nick from

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Clemson made two point one million and he's with the
Jets for one point two million. I think any warm
body on the Jets, even if you're not a quarterback,
has the opportunity to win the quarterback job.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
No doubt, you could be the defensive blindman.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
You could win the quarterback open.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it's wide open.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It's wide open for sure.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
All Right, we're gonna take a break and we will
come back with the wonderful, super intelligent Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Hey, let's welcome in. Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
NFL Network analyst, former NFL player, former scout, one of
the best voices in football when it comes to a draft,
roster building team philosophy. Bucky also co hosts the Move
the Sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah, so make sure to
check that out. We've talked about that podcast a bunch,
even with Daniel Bucky.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I want to start with something I was talking about
with the guys a second ago and kind of random,
but we were talking about Garrettnusmeyer and I was like,
round seven, maybe his dad would draft him round six,
Maybe his dad would draft him, like just to throw
them a lifeline.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Why didn't Ussmyer go any earlier? You know, it's such
a weird thing.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Sometimes the drafts has weird ebbs and flows where a
player that you have rated much higher just happens to
be sitting there in the seventh round. And sometimes it
can take one or two random decisions by someone that's
picking ahead of you to kind of change your focus
for a minute. But I'll say this, he certainly is
not a guy that was viewed as a seventh round

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pick when you check the consensus around the league. To me,
and I think this is true of all former players
if you asked them, would you rather go higher or
go to the right spot, You'd rather go to the
right spot.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
And I think for him he might have landed in
the best.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Landing spot in terms of his own individual development and
how it can play out and really help his career
going forward.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Bucky, now that the dust is settled, who would you
say were some of the big winners in this year's
draft and maybe a few teams that you'd think you'd
consider them losers.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, that's tough. I would say this. I would think
the first team off the rip that people are talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Would be the New York Giants.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
And I think this is part of a bigger thing
where they've kind of made over their team from a
cultural standpoint.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Inside out one.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
You get a coach in John Harbor who has done
this for a long time. He's been a Super Bowl champion.
He's probably motivated given some of the noise that came
out of Baltimore when he left.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
You look at the players that they were able to
pick in the drafts.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
You think are Rvl Reeves coming over, Francis maleoah helping
them out on the front line.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
They get Colden Hood, who is a terrific player on
the corner.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
And then even Malakott feels their third round pick should
be someone that helps you think about what they have defensively,
they have a dominant defense in the works that gives
them a chance to make one of those jumps into
the playoffs. I think the Cleveland Browns also deserve to
be celebrated. The job that Andrew Berry and his staff
did bring it over a casey concepts on having Spencer

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for No those first two picks, but then emw.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And Manual make Neil Warren coming over.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
And giving them kind of some juice in the back end,
and some of the picks that they took later that
I absolutely love Joe Warrior, the tight end from Cincinnati
who was a transfer to O higher state. I think
he gives them another playmaker to work around.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
They have two tight.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Ends that he took this year. And then let's talk
about Taylor Green six front pick. Super athletic does a
bunch of things that can make it happen. I think
the guys the teams that people have said losers, I
don't really refer to them as that. I would say
some are questioning. I would say obviously the team that
people always talking about is the Jackson and the Jaguars.
I'm close to that situation so understood what their intent was.

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They would tell you that they're trying to find duval
DNA cultural fits, and so they took a tight end
in the second round that many people didn't have at
that point.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
But if you look at the draft.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
There's a run on tight ends that went right after that,
and so that's one I think when you go and
look at the San Francisco forty nine ers, that's another
one that has been questioned. People talk about why would
you take Stribbling at the top of the second round.
He wasn't viewed at high even though I had a
bunch of people tell me that he was going. With
the next ten picks, they take a running back Kevin Black,

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who some people didn't favor. So the thing about all
of this, it's all subjective until we see him play.
The one thing that we never know on our side
is what is the plan to utilize them?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
What were they looking to do, what are they looking to.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Become as a team, and how does that player fit
into the fabric of what they do. All those things
kind of matter more than when the players are picked
and how they picked. But I would say there's certainly
some controversial or some questionable picks that were taken that
have been the conversation.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Here we are a week and a half, two weeks
faster draft.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
How do you feel about their Raiders quarterback situation and
how does that decision get made?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Then it got a great rookie. When does he play?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Does it depend on how good the Raiders are playing?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, Now that's interesting because we go all the way
back to number one overall pick. As much as we
talk about the quarterback development in the league and how
it is always better when they sit, we haven't seen
one since since I think Carson Palmer like that just
doesn't It just doesn't happen in our league.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Not a number one overall.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Now, if Kirk Cousins can play and play well, look
as to Fernando Mendoz's benefit, if he can sit and
kind of just slowly acclimate to the game. Kirk Cousins
had his best seasons of his career under Clayton Kubiak,
first as a quarterback coach, then as a bit of
an offense coordinated when Kevin O'Connell was there. That s
it the natives are restless when it comes to wanting

(27:52):
to see the number one overall pick. I think a
lot of it would pend on Fernando Mendoza. If I
am the Raiders, I'm giving him a heavy workload in
preseason and join practices to see how he handles it,
and if he shows us that he can handle it,
he's gonna play sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Regardless of what Kirk Cousins does.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Are you one of those people that believe that starting
a quarterback maybe before they're ready is the right approach
or do you feel like it's just the nature of
the beast at this point?

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I would say normally the player in me will say, like,
the only way you really get better is about playing.
But I also know that once you put the quarterback
out there, the noise is loud if he doesn't play well,
And I would say the difference now is we don't
give young guys, young quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
And opportunity to grow through their struggles.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
And if it's so overwhelming early, it's not about him
losing confidence or the team losing confidence in him.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
The noise is.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
So loud that do you have the gravitas to just
stick with the process. And say, hey man, it doesn't worry.
We're not worried about what it looks like now, we're
worried about down the line. Most people don't have that,
so you kind of want them to be ready to go.
And if you could put him in more of a
managerial role where look, the team around him is good,
he doesn't have to throw it thirty times. You can

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kind of ease him into it. But that's pinting the
sky stuff. Once they play, the clock is on because
everyone is gonna make a judgment right away if he
can or if he can't play.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Internet's trickling a little bit about Patrick Mahomes and his health.
It seems like he may be pretty healthy, like if
so Adrian Peterson style.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
You think he plays early.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
And it's like science is amazing to think about, like
tearing the ACL and they're talking about him being ready
for mini camp. That's bananas. I would not put him
on the rush to get on the field. I would
really try to help him, help himself, like protect him
from himself so he doesn't go out there too soon.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
But I know this, it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Be tough to stop him from playing. Get passed for
Mahomes once shows that he can protect himself, he can
run around and do the things that he needs to
do at a position, and if he is adamant about playing,
be hard for the Chiefs to keep them on the sideline.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Talking about Kansas City, they went heavy defense in this draft.
Do you have any concerns that they didn't address that
offensive line from last year?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, I mean, I know that was a big thing
a lot of us had talked about.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right tack would be in a concern, particularly after they
let Juwan Taylor go. I think for the Chiefs is
is they probably believe internally Patrick Mahomes and a big
time running back solves a lot of their issues. If
we really pinpoint the offensive struggles. One, you lost the
ability to push the ball down.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
In the field when Tyreek Hill left.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
But part of the reason we really lost that is
because the running game doesn't force the defense to respect it.
So all those teams that are playing two high looks,
they didn't have a runner good enough to force them
out to look. And that's no disrespect to Isaiah Pacheco
or Kareem Hunt and those other guys that played it.
If Kenneth walk is effective enough on the ground, then
it changes the way the defenses play them and either

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they don't get run through where Kenned Walker is gonna
chow up one hundred yard a bunch one hundred yard games,
or they're going to drop somebody in the box and
now you get the one on one coverage on the
outside that you want to me. This is about Eric
b Enemy and Andy Reid being committed enough to the
running game to force defenses to make tough decisions on
would'd rather die slow death or are we willing to

(31:23):
drop somebody down and say, hey, we're not going to
allow them to run all over us. In the past,
when teams would play that in their prime years, they
would run it successfully up.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And down the field.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Of late, they haven't been able to do it, and
so people just sat back in their umbrella coverage.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
You've been able to do it on different levels player
scout analysts, so I think you'll have good perspective of
this next question. It does feel like the organizations that
win win a lot most of the time and those
that don't lose a lot most of the time. What's
the through line on the good consistently winning organizations. What
you said, consistency Consistency is in everything. Consistency in your approach,

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consistency in your preparation, your process. Normally, the great coaches
that I've been around, they stay the saying good, bad,
or indifferent.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
They don't waver.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
They believe in what they believe in and they have
a way of selling it to the team that the
team believes in it. Whether that was Mighty Schottenheimer, whether
that was mar of Levy, Tom Coughlin, John Gruden, Mike Homgren,
all of those guys deeply believed in what they were doing.
And I would say the other part of it is
complete alignment from top to bottom, meaning the general manager

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and the head coach are in lockstep.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
They understand what kind of players they're looking.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
For, what they want, and they don't they don't waver
when the noise on the outside is loud.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
They double down and go even harder and recommit to
what they believe in.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
So when you're talking about the front office and a GM,
the scouting department, what separates somebody like the Howie Roseman's
of the world or Brett Veach in Kansas City. Do
they do it differently than other organizations?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Look out what throw John Side and there. I think
they all do it. You kind of do it the
way that you're brought up right in the bus business.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
So a large part of how you played as a player,
of your preparation process came from your formative years, whether it.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Be in New England or going on to Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Like, you kind of have your thing and the same
thing when it comes to being a general manager. I
played in Green Bay. I understand a lot of the
Rong Wolf stuff. So the way that John Snyder does
it is very similar to the way that it was
done in Green Bay. You put your own spin on it,
but it's very very successful. How we took some of
that that he learned from Andy Reid, which was a
big part of the Green Bay stuff, and he put

(33:36):
his own spin on it. I think you have to
have tremendous confidence in what you're doing. You have to
have a clear vision for how you want your teams
and your players to play and what kind of players
are needed to play that style. And then you have
to have a coaching staff that one you're in lockstep with.
Two they are committed to developing the players. The secret
sauce in this league is not talent acquisition is talent development,

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how you developed the players when you get into the building.
We have all played where guys come in the same
way that they were when they came in skill of it.
But then we've seen other teams take a lesser player
and he plays as a much higher level because of
the extra commitment to practice and the details and the fundamentals.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Look at takes the buildings.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But everyone has to be on the same page, and
I think the general manager has to know exactly what
the head coach wants and he has to be able
to make sure that they not only bring the right
players in, but they challenge the coaches to develop the
young players so they get better.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
These rookie mini camps are opening and have opened in
the past week. What are teams looking for early and
what do people overreact about?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, I think the first thing that you're doing when
you're a scout and you're not at a high ranking scalp.
When you scout, the first thing is the players that
you bring in. Man, you want them at least love
act the guy that you saw on tape Like that's
the most anxiety that you have that first weekend when
you see me, like, come on, man, make a play, please,
please make a play, sucking justify whatever. Outside of that, Really,

(35:18):
some teams approach you where I think the most realistic
approach is like, hey, this is the teaching phase.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
We're going to teach you what you need to know.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So when we come back in otdas and eventually training camp,
then you can compete. But you can't compete if you
don't know what you're doing. So you give them the
outline in terms of this is how we work out.
These are the standards on and off the field. In
terms of how we go about a business. You need
to find a vet that you can model, a good
vet that you can model his behavior, and have someone

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kind of show you the ropes.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And then when it's your time, whether it's two reps,
four reps, six reps.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Man, you need to make sure one you know what
to do and you do it with maximum effort, and
then you hope that that buys you another day and
more reps. But ultimately, man, we talk about the game.
The game is a meritocracy. No matter how we spend it,
you have got to be able to perform when you
get your opportunity, and it doesn't matter what team you're
on and how many reps you given, you better make

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the most of them.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
If you're going to make a prediction on the first
rounders that all got drafted in terms of their organization
and system fit, who do you think is probably set
up for success the most success early in their career.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Man, It's funny, right, because scheme fit is everything. When
you come to it and I look at the ravens
Vinga Yawne, the guard from Penn Steak, he just screams
Raven to me. And it's something about when you look
at him and you look at the way that he
plays and the way that they want to play, how
they want to bully people at the point of attack.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
That works.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But I will also say, look, man, I think Fernando
Mendoza lucked out. I had a lot of questions about
him coming in and whether he could take it over whatever.
I would say that Clint Kobiak and the system is
perfect for him. It alleviates some of the pressure on him,
the stretched bootleg misdirection passing game for him, the way
they're going to be committed to the run game. I

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think he certainly is the beneficiary of a scheme that
matches how he needs to play given his skill set,
and it's from other guys. I love Ruben Mayn and
going to Tampa Bay. I like Manster Delane playing in
Kansas City. To me, this was one where I don't
think people were out of pocket in terms of like
matching the players with the fit.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
But I will say the most intriguing.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Of them all is how always Ty Simpson going to
eventually play when he gets his opportunity in LA I
think that's the minion all the questions because that ended
up making a breaking how people view the Rams draft.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I understand everyone's supposed to be professional, but when a
player doesn't want to be on the team and his
requesting a trade. Let's use Anthony Richon as an example.
Is there awkwardness in the building with that or is
it everybody just gets it.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
It kind of depends on how good the play he is.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I would say that if Dexter Lawrence request the trade
from the Giants, the panic around the building is a
little different cause you're talking about a Pro Bowl player
Anthony Richardson request in the trade. People probably looking around
like who cares? Like I'm just saying, like, just just
what it is given? How he's performed. It's a performance
based business, and if the team believed that you can
play at a high level, they can live with that

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and they'll chalk it up to ay, that's business.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
We'll stay out of it. But if you're a guy that.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Hasn't played or hasn't kind of earned the right to
be like god, they just kind of go on and
move on. Like the locker room would tell you exactly
what the team feels about a player, the way that
they react.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
To those situations, the circumstances.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
In your opinion, how long does it take to truly
validate a draft class because obviously we're talking about all
this stuff, but is there a time period that you'd
put on it.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, it takes two to three years to really know
if people can play. Like, let's do the simple math.
If the league average for players is three and a
half years, what we're saying is most of the people
in these classes will never even get to the second contract.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So it's not.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Even about all, you know, five six years down the line,
and that two to three year window the players that
we took, can they help us get.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
To where we want to go?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Is there a noticeable change in our team given the
contributions of this class, and so for players, look, you
give more flexibility given how high you're drafted, and so
like the first round pick is going to get every
opportunity to show that he can play.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Second and third.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Round is maybe they get a little leeway. But after that,
you got to be able to hit it right now.
You have to be able to make a contribution immediately,
whether it's on special teams, whether it's showing enough on
the practice field that they can prime you for a
role the next season.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But no free lunches.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Like you have to be able to make a contribution
in some way, shape or form, or it's kind of
deemed to be a failure. So hopefully in two years
you kind of know if a guy can play or not.
But they need to start making contributions right away.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
What's the expectation on a guy like Dak Prescott who's
had different expectations over the years, but they haven't man
able to do it. How many more years think he's
got in Dallas?

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Well, look, I think he just got paid and I
think they'll continue to do it because it's very hard
to find a quarterback in the league.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
And I would say that for Dak.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I mean last year, obviously offensively they were lighting it up,
and I would say that was probably even a surprise.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Knowing Brian Schottenheimer as well as.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I do, like this offense was rolling with George Pickens
and cde Lamb, and they were running the fotball effectively,
which Devonte Williams. Dak Prescott played really well and whenever
there's a coming link, whenever he has a legitimate running game,
he plays at a high level. You look at the
division titles that they won. Whenever they've had a big
time back, they have been able to win because the
complement of the running game in the passing game helps

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him out.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, they're under pressure because the star is big.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
The amount of people that watched that team creates a
lot of noise and a lot of interest.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
But I think he is right.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I think really it's about getting the rest of the
team to play up at two of his level, and
then he has to deliver.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
To win it matches. Most in the postseason.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
How much Lean and Cee do you think that are
going to have with George Pickens. As this kind of
drags on and a little bit of the saga about
whether he's going to sign the franchise center or get
a new contract.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Look, I think it's in his best interest to sign it,
just because like George Pickens hasn't made like significant money
in this league. You're talking about whatever, twenty seven million
that they're pushing across the table.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
He needs to sign that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
And it's unfortunate because you talk about, look how I
proved it last year, but you got to prove it again.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean, that's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
If they're not going to commit years in long term money,
then he has to go out there and do it again.
It won't be a distraction because at the end of
the day, man, you got to play to make it happen.
And I think he and CD Lamb worked well off
of one another because it's one of the rare situations
where you could say they're probably cold number one in
the passing game.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
And so as long.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
As George Pickens plays and have the impact, he'll get
the money. And what worked in this favor, I know
people always talk about the injury more times than that
when someone plays on the tag, they always get their money.
He can look to the quarterback Dak Prescott, he got
hurt play, You'm to attack and still got a blockbuster deal.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So he is going to get paid. It's just a
matter of how is he going to get paid?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
But I know he can drive the price up if
he plays really well, He'll push himself into that forty
million dollar category, which the Cowboys certainly don't want to pay,
but they have to pay if he plays really, really well.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Let's stay expectations. But let's go to North Carolina. Your
team here two with Belichick? What do they gotta do
this year?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
What do they have to do? I will say this
talk to people in the program. One.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I think everyone has to adjust to the new game
of college football. And I think coach Belichick has been great.
I went back did something that he asked him to
do for like official visits, and I would say that
he has a great perspective on the game.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I think the main thing is you got to get
the right players in there.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
And some of that is talent, but some of that
really is temperament and just kind of understanding it is
a blue collar program. You're gonna have to work and
get after it, and if you're not about that, life
is going to be hard for you.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
They can be much better, and I say, this is
almost like a cop out.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I think they can be a much better team and
their record might not be noticeably different, meaning that they
can play well and buy in. But I mean they
have forty freshmen coming in, Like, that's a ton of
young players and eighteen year olds in the college game.
It doesn't work. I think there'll be a better team.
I just don't know if the record has changed much
this year, but I think at some point he will
turn it.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Do you think with the change of college football with
nil and transfer portal and all these things do does
that have an impact on the player in terms of
how you scout them and is it harder evaluation process?

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Well, yeah, it is a harder evaluation process in terms
of you better really know.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
If they like it or love it. I would say
actually love it.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Most of the things that scouts talk about now is
trying to figure out if a guy really loves the game.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Or if he just kind of likes to fame and
all the things that come with that.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
So it requires more digging, more asking, more investigating to
see who he is and what's around, what is he into,
how much time does he spend in the facility, does
he really care about his craft or is he a
guy that look, he took the money early and he's content.
That's really what happens, because we all know when you

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throw dollars at some of the players that we've played
with doesn't change them at all.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
If anything, the more you pay him, the harder they
even work at whatever it is. Other guys, you.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Throw them a little money, it's over. They're content and
they become complacent. It's really about making sure that the
guys that you're bringing into the building are worker bees
and they really love to work because the game is hard,
and I don't think young kids know how hard it
is when you play professional football. It's hard, not just physically,
but the mental grind of being consistent day in day

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out and really focusing on your craft is really hard.
And so it it's the difference between playing a boy's
game and a man's game. The league is about men
and you have to be equipped to deal with all
the stuff that comes with that last question. I'm looking
at your shirt, Thatt chc Athletics. No, no, no, that
is jac because you met Granada Hills Highlanders.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Yeah, how did you get hooked up there?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
I was coaching for a decade with someone that you
actually know. Cindy Kramer. Oh yeah, so I think y'all
go back to the little league league. She was our
little league coach. She is unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Get after us, Cidne Kramer, She's probably well, I mean,
five foot tallady so and she just rippened all of us.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
So I was coaching at Notre Dame for a decade
and Sydney Kramer used to always bring your name up,
and uh, the strength coach at Notre Dame is married
to the ad at Granada, and so I had to
end there.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So when a job opened up, even though I went from.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Southern Section ball to city Section, it was an attractive
and appeilding thing for me. And I think if you
coached this game, everyone wants to see what it's like
to have to whistle, because we all can theorize and say, oh,
I would do this, and that. It is a completely
different ball of wax when when you're the when you're
the hig head guy, and there's a disparity. Most of

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the guys that I coach have never played tackle football
until they get to ninth grade, and so it is
a bit of a I would say a passion project
to teach a bunch of young kids who haven't played
how to play, but to do it with the expectation, oh,
now we're gonna win, Like we got to figure this out.
We still have to win. We may have to do
it differently. But now it's been a lot of fun.
And as Matt knows as a CF champion we won

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the city in twenty twenty two. There's nothing like winning,
and there's nothing like kind of being as celebrated as
being the best. And so it just drives all of
us to do what we can when you got a
bunch of the kids to do it.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
So you met my Chancesford Chancellors.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I mean, yeah, we're in the same league. We have
to you have to the butt.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
They won the title a couple of years ago and
it brought back the old I mean you may not
know that, but you're over there with a city section
legend like Mat he's in the city section.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
That's I don't know about that, but I.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Don't want to curse on the program. Yeah you do
that now, it's cool. It's been great, Like coaching and
playing in the city has been a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I look forward to It's one of the best things
that I do.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Everybody check out the Move the Sticks podcast. Bucky and
Dana Jeremiah. They're great individually, awesome together. You guys do
a great job on the podcast. We really appreciate the
time and just the knowledge. I hope you have a
great rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Coach, Hey, thanks for having me on that BES coach.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
All right, anything you're dying talking about before we go,
it's not really got what I do have something?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Okay? Well do quick? I know, like QB competition, Who's
going to start Week one?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
He's back in the fold, but hasn't played a full
season in three plus years. But also, what does that say?
I mean, should ain't the guy? Hard way to say
Dylan Gabriel probably not the guy. Taylor Green, Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Quarterback, really good. I think he could be a guy.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
He can be the guy eventually. Yes, a way, I
think it's Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And the question to me is are the Browns going
to lose a lot again and to get in the
mix for all quarterbacks next year?

Speaker 4 (48:29):
True?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
I think that could've got a pretty good roster though,
and their defense is always going to play tough yep.
So if they get any productivity whatsoever out of Deshaun Watson, I.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Don't think they want it. I think you want to
get with those quarterbacks. I think you got to get
a quarterback, and they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Yeah, if you don't have if you've got four quarterbacks,
you don't have a number one quarterback. And that's kind
of where the Browns are at right now. So quick,
you know what else you got.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
We don't have to get into actual I'll see what
else we got? What else we got?

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Oh well, we already just talked about a little bit
of it. Colts declaying Anthony Richards' fifth year option potential
trade partners for him. Where would he want to go?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Forty nine ers?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Okay, he only should go to a place where he's
not going to start, where he doesn't think he has
a chance to start, or he should be developed like
a forty nine or a Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, that's what that's where you go.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
It's a you can now tell by the Sam Dartle
we could go through the quarterbacks that just did this
go somewhere where they can. He never was fully developed.
He wasn't developed out of Florida.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
No, he only played one season.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
He didn't really get a chance to develop with Indianapolis
and he was hurt. So so yes, you go to
one of the teams that can develop you as a backup.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
And I feel like that's the only way you resurrect
your career because you have to go learn how to
be a professional and play that position at a high
level from people that have been successful doing it and
can develop quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
You just hope the ego doesn't get in the way.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I can understand if you really think you're that and
you're going I want to go somewhere where I have
a shot to play right now, it's probably an organization
that's not going to give you a best shot at
a long term career, right because those those teams are
not going to win if you have a shot to
actually play right now.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Right they're not looking at him right now to come
in and be a bridge guy or anything like that.
They're looking at him strictly to be a backup and
developed San Francisco, Minnesota. Try to get the backup spot there, try, Anthony.
That's that's interesting here on the Bobby podcast. This is
not the Bobby Bones podcast, I know, but Matt Castle's
here too.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
It is literally not give me one more of your headlines.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
All right, we just saw your beautiful daughter a little
while ago. Okay, you're a huge Arkansas fan. Would you
allow her to go to a school down the road
like Texas?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Oh? No, Texas isn't.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
But what about if it's her dreams school, dream school?
It won't be a dream school, you know? No, like
like the big deal was Murice Jones. Drew just came
out his son is falling his footsteps going to UCLA.
But then we had to pivot there, and I think
about my kids going somewhere else, And I wanted to
ask you that question, because you're a diehard.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I don't I'm not going to say absolutely no to
every other school, just not Texas.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
What is another school that you may allow her to
go to anywhere in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, sure, I would love her to go to Arkansas.
My wife I was talking to her last night. She
says to me, and I think my wife has wonderful
awareness of the situation. She says, you love Arkansas because
you grew up in Arkansas, and that's what you had.
She's a massive Oklahoma fan. She grew up in Oklahoma,
her parents, she goes. Our daughter is going to grow
up in Tennessee, so it wouldn't be crazy if she

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wanted to go to Tennessee or Vandy or Vandy.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I want to pay for that, but.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Oh gosh, no, no, no, sorry to pay for that.
I'm sure he's already got her college fund taken care
of and he's bitched it, complaining like he's gotta work
harder for it. Yes, I'm gonna sell one of your
Bentleys and she'll be all right.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You're one to talk. You can't get five Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I just noted Texas would love Arkansas. I'm okay with Oklahoma.
Really anywhere in the to see.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
We'll be fine anywhere.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But Texas, No, there's no Texas.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Texas doesn't exist as a place to go.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Texas is it's not really a state.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Texas is Australia.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Years ago where they send the criminals.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
That's what I'm gonna teach her, because Australia was at
fear factor, just breathed it into the penitentiary island.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yes, that's what Australia. In Texas, they only send the
people that have done bad things there. And you're not
good I'm gonna teach you that early. So yes, it
is anywhere but Texas, hopefully Arkansas. But we when we
were talking about buying the house that we bought in Fayvville,
my wife not super keen on going to Fayville a

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whole lot, but she knows I love it. So we
bought a house really close to the football stadium. And
I was starting to have second thoughts because I knew
my wife didn't want to spend a much time Fayeville.
She didn't have to because why, I mean, it's not
her thing. Uh, And I said, hey, maybe we don't.
We can always just go in airbnb. And she said
to me, we're going to get the house because I
think you and our daughter will have great times there,

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going to game through the next ten to fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
That's so solid.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That's solid because I know it wasn't my wife's best interest,
but it wasn't about it, but she loves.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
You and she knows that you're passionate about it, and
she gave you that opportunity to create memories with your daughter.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
It'll be incredible.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
If there's a single piece of burnt orange clothing in
my house, I'll burn the whole house down. It's not
even I'm gonna throw it a way it's done. Yes,
I will throw I will burn the whole house down.
I'll throw out the baby with the bathwater. There will
be no burnt orange.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I know what I've been getting there for first birthday.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, it'll never make an inside do you imagine?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Okay, that's it. Thank you guys for being here. Thanks
to Bucket. That was great.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
That's Matt Castle. Let's kick off, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
That's Brandon Ray.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I'm Bobby Bones.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I got a pass fire right in front of me.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
This is my pocket.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Before we started, we have had lots to say.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Goodbye everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is
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