June 3, 2026 • 47 mins
Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel discuss how teams should support their players through difficult situations. They touch on Little League umpires and parents coaching from the stands through games. Matt also relives paying for a dinner with 18 athletes.
Super Bowl Champion Lavonte David talks about retiring and his new daily routine after football. Lavonte looks back at his journey from JUCO through Nebraska and onto the NFL. Lavonte reveals one of the proudest moments of his career and the hardest RPO quarterback he's ever faced.
Myles Garrett is headed to the Rams and Bobby explains how the deal was more than fair for Los Angeles. AJ Brown is headed to the Patriots, but how will he play there? Plus, OBJ is back with the Giants!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now, here's Bobby That everybody, welcome to the show. That's
Matt Castle. Who I'm Robert Jones. Thank you for being here.
We're gonna do a little something called situational awareness. We
do this every week. Your scenario. First, you're the starting
quarterback of your team, another player on the team, It
doesn't matter who gets into trouble in real life. Do
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you reach out to him or you do? Do you
let it just play out and just business as usual?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I think at first you treated as business as usual,
and because it usually comes out in the papers or
something like that. Social media and so these things come
about and you don't really know all the circumstances or
anything like that. But if you're close with anybody on
your team and they're going through some I'll reach out
with the text and say, hey, thinking about you. Let
me know if you knew any need anything. Now, it's
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also dependent on what the situation is you know, you
see domestic abuse, see something like that, I've got no
tolerance for it, so that I would never reach out
on something like that. I'd let the do process take
its course. But in terms of something where you know,
a guy gets a DUI, I gotta get something like that.
We all make mistakes, We're all human, and you definitely
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are trying to be supportive in that circumstance.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Are there certain players that coaches build i'll say support
teams for to keep them out of trouble?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yes, without a doubt. I mean, so we have play
development in every building in the NFL, and they really
deal with the players, helping them find housing, setting up
for the rookies, all these different It's basically a classroom
session on finance, on banking, on anything that you could
possibly think of, workplace ethics, all these things. They set
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that up. But there are also somebody that you can
go to with a problem and say, hey, I need
some help here. I got outstanding tickets or I got this,
that and the other. Can you point me in the
right direction. So they're there as a support system. Now,
in terms of coaches in certain players, sometimes they'll put
other veteran players in charge of helping get this guy
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to where he needs to be, be a mentor to
a younger player that might get out of line at times,
might be a little bit wild at times, and so
you're leaning on your veterans in the locker room. But
at the same time, the coaches understand, hey, we might
have a problem here. We need to get ahead of
this thing before it becomes a bigger issue.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Have you ever heard of an instance where they had
put a chaperone on somebody.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Oh, one hundred percent, Mike Williams when I was at USC.
They would drive to his house, pick him up in
the golf cart to take him to class because he
would never go to class. So we had to make
sure that that dude got to class because he was
an absolute stud, but he just had no interest at
times in going to class, and so we would send
somebody over there, pick him up and take him to
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his classes and make sure he's in his classes.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
When you get to the NFL, and obviously you're supposed
to be adults, but you also know not everybody makes
the same adult type decisions. Does that happen in the
league as well, where you have certain not obviously coordinators,
but other coaches who are constantly checking in on some
of the players to make sure they're not making bad decisions.
Now that they have more resources and money, a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Of coaches will go above and beyond if they notice
an issue or a problem that continues to show itself
up again and again and again, and so they'll take
maybe a different stance on it and maybe more of
somebody that's there at any given time. But the difference
in the NFL is, like you said, you're playing professional football.
This is your job, and so they've got standards in place.
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So you miss a meeting or you're late to a meeting,
that's a five thousand dollars fine first time, fifteen thousand
dollars a second time, and it goes up from there.
It could be conduct detrimental. So if guys are missing meetings,
being late to meetings, not doing showing up to what
they need to be at, they're gonna get fined, period.
And you might not make a trip. And I've been
on teams where guys haven't made a trip. So it's
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all depends on the coach and his approach and how
stern he's going to be about it. You might get
a get out of jail free card once, but you're
going to start seeing guys get fined more and more.
We have a guy finded one hundred thousand dollars in
a week because of what missing meetings, missing meetings or
not showing up to meetings, and Greg Harding's that's exactly
who it was when we were in Dallas, and it
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was like he was on his own time. But I'll
tell you what. On game day he'd show up and
my god, he was a beast. But throughout the course
of the week it was like, Hey, I know I'll
be there on game day so you can find me,
but I'll just pay my fine. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's a massive fine.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
It's a massive fine.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's a massive fine.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay, hit me with one, all right.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
You compaired with a guy in a chair golf tournament
who's taking it way too serious, literally ruining the round.
Do you try to loosen them up or you just
survive to fight another day and just try to get
through the round as quickly as possible. Now, are you
that guy?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Though I'm not that guy. I've had these experiences where
someone will add an auction bid to either play with
me and we go wide individually, or it's an entire
charity golf tournament and I'm just one of the celebrities
that's of twenty and people get matched up.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So it's both of those.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But I'm playing with somebody who has paid extra money
to play with a celebrity, and they put a lot
of pressure on themselves to play well for a couple
of reasons. One it's usually a really nice course, some
sort of special course, and then two they're playing nine
holes with some celebrity, sometimes me. Then it switches to
somebody else and they want to play really well in
front of that person. So I've had probably more than
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five instances where the person is just chunking clubs or
slamming or cursing or going I'm not this. I will
for a hole, be loose in light and be like,
there's no big deal. I suck too, you know that
type thing. After a hole, I just let them do
their thing. I'm not trying to jump in. I'm not
trying to repair their world. Also, there's no need to
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act like that, right, and there's no need for me
to fix that, Like I want them to know, dude,
I'm not good either. However, after about a hole of this.
I'm not trying to fix them.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I get being competitive, but you're not a professional golfer.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I have a friend that's really bad at golf and
he still gets so pissed when he plays and plays bad.
And I'm dude, what do you expect You've never done good?
You don't practice, Yes, why is your expectation to par
a hole when well, you never par holes and you
never practice.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That's why I go out with my expectation of if
I play bogie golf, it's a pretty good day for me,
and I'll hit a few pars here. I might double
bogie with a few, but I'm not going to lose
my temper over golf. I promise you that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You're like a life sandbagger though just generally speaking, and
I mean that in the most complimentary way. That's annoying
to someone like life off sandbagger.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, are we taking them about golf for life? Both? Okay? Great?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But I would Yeah, what I would equate it to
is in golf when someone's like, ah, I'm not that
good and they show up and they're really good. I
have had a few of those days where what you
sandbagged purposely No, I was a twelve.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Okay, and I shot a seventy nine one time, And
that's not a good look because that really does make
you look like a sand bag lying because I can
hit the hell of a ball. But again, any given swing,
I could be out in the woods over here to
the right to left. My short game could suck. But
then once I get about you know, maybe two white
claws in me, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Good to go.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Maybe you're not a live sandbagger. Maybe you're just like
the ultimate humble.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I'm not that good at golf and I don't practice.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think you're ultimately I think more, don't you guys agree?
He's like ultimate humble, He's like the great you like
the greatest guy. It's annoying play baseball and football USC
It's like yeah, yeah, dual sport athlete, tall sports. Yeah,
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You're the ultimate humble because you unless someone like beats
it out of you, you're not gonna say anything positive
about yourself.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah that's true. I am not one of those people
that are am boastful by any means necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But it's not even boastful. It's like you have to
like crowbar things out of you to just like admit
to something.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I just admitted I was a sandbagger.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't know if that's the most like, Hey, good
job castle I brought out. Sandbagger is unfair because I
sandbanger is doing that with purpose. I think you're just
honestly extremely humble.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I am not. Yeah, try to be.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah you are.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's annoying.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You're the exact opposite. I'm just kidding. What's my next
in there? Oh wait, yeah, what's my next scenario.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Let's say your podcast partner wants to stab you in
the neck right after the podcast is over. How about
you react to that?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Well, I'd get a little defensive.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
All right, here's the rail one.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Here's the rail one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You're at your son's baseball term at all week and
another dad keeps giving your kid swing tips from behind
the fence. You're gonna say something, You're just gonna let
it go.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Oh no, I'm definitely gonna say something. Did Let's just
pump the brakes here. He's twelve, he'll figure it out.
If he's got If we got something to work on,
let's do it later. But stop talking to my kid period. Like,
there's no circumstance in which I think a parent in
the stands should be talking to any kid, even their
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own kid. I don't talk to my own kid during
the game because I think it's the coach's responsibility. If
you wanted to coach, then coach, sign up to coach.
If not, sit there and just be there and as
a supportive role for your kid and let him know
regardless whether they strike out three times or get four hits,
you're still gonna love them and you're still gonna be
there to support him. Period. That's how I look at that.
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But no, they're not allowed to talk to my kid
during a game.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, what about and this is not your kid related?
What about parents? They yell at youth umpires.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Can't stand that. Either can't stand it now one of
those people that will bark at another person say it
was a strike. But there are parents at every single
tournament I go to. They've got fifteen year old kids
behind playing umpire. Right, they're gonna make some good calls,
they're gonna make some bad calls, and it's not gonna
be perfect. But these people, you think it's the World
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Series Game seven of MLB where they're held to a
different standard. I'm like, get over it. And usually it's
probably their kid that they called the strike on and
they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Who's your strike?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
So it's been inconsistent, old game. Who cares like they'll
deal with it. It's a little adversity.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's a sixteen year old out and making eighteen bucks
in a game.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. These are not professional
umpires here. They're out there and they're serving your kids
to just try to umpire the game. So yes, but
I don't say much of those people because it usually
I've been at tournaments where it's led to fistfights between
parents on the opposing teams to where they have to
call the cops to a tournament to an eleven U
or a twelve YU tournament because the umpire's making bad
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calls and they're arguing over it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Making sense, Do you ever want to tell like the
coaches even of your kids teams at times, like hey,
I played college baseball, I was drafted, Like I kind
of know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
No, I am not bostful. You already know that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I want to tell them that, and I didn't. I
wasn't and I want to be like I played college
baseball and I was drafted, but I didn't, so I don't.
I would like to do that. That'd be awesome, all right,
what you got?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
All right? Someone recognizes you in public and keeps calling
you by the wrong name. How do you respond?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Great?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I love it, I love hilarious. Yeah, that's happened. More
than that. It's people who will come up because someone
else has approached me at some point earlier, come to
ask for a picture. So they see us take a
picture together and then they see it and they go, huh,
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you must be somebody. And they come up and go,
I don't know who you are, who are you?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And they put you in a weird place because you like,
do I answer?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do? I tell me?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Honestly, it's because it's not gonna impress them. They don't
know who I am, so they obviously are not interested
in anything that I do. Also like, I'm happy to
tell you, but you're not gonna be blown away by it.
So that is a weird one because then they'll say
something like, well, I never heard of you, but let's
just take a picture anyway, and then you're like the
court situation. So that one's tough. The other one that's
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weird is when someone comes up and goes, hey, I'm
not really a fan, but my sister is, can I
get a picture with you? I just would prefer you
to leave that I'm not really a fan out, just
be like, hey, you might if I get a picture,
I'd love it.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Absolutely tell me you say no to that?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Never, I won't say no to that by one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Would be like, I'm not a fan, but my sister is,
can can I get a picture with you? No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's just something you can leave off like it doesn't
hurt anything to go, hey, would you mind for get
a picture? Because the same thing's gonna happen. Gonna get
a picture and you're gonna send it to your sister,
And I didn't have to get insulted in the process, exactly,
because that is what happens. Another thing too, that's funny
is when people will go, hey, can I get a
pick picture? And then they can't. They give the phone
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to somebody and they can't really hold on and it
takes forever, and so they've given the phone to somebody
who doesn't really know how to work a phone, or
they've given it to them and it's flipped the wrong
way and they don't And so that's happening. But I
was on a flight once, just randomly with Gavin de Gral,
the singer, and so we were sitting next to each other,
flying back from New York, and he said, when you
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leave the plane, too many people ask you for pictures
at the airport. Say yeah, sometimes, he said, do you
do the trick where you grab their phone? I said,
I said, what's that? He goes, Oh, it's the greatest
because what it'll do is it'll stop people that don't
know how to work their phone. He said, you know
how to work the phone. Great, So as soon as
they go, can I get a picture? You? Yeah, say here,
you grab their phone, you turn it, you do the cellfire,
you hand it, you hand them.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
The phone back.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He said, eliminates a third of the time, no small talk.
And because yeah, and there's not somebody's like, how do
you do flip it?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you put your coat in so I can get
the camera back? So sage advice from Gavin de Gral phone, Yeah,
somebody calls me the wrong name. I do get like, hey,
I heard your Bobby Jones and I'm not the dead golfer,
And it's just it doesn't hurt my feelings at all.
It's funny. But sometimes people will go, hey, are you him?
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Who is at the Are you talking about what? What?
What person? Specifically is him? So those are kind of
awkward situations, but they're fine. They're fine, all right. Last
one for me to you. You're at a team dinner
with five people and one guy orders the most expensive
thing on the menu plus appetizers for the table without asking.
Then he wants to split it all evenly, so it's
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not like a rookie meal. But it's like you and
some boys are together and he goes hard and appetizers, heck,
drinks too, and then wants to split it evenly. Are
you going to say something?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Nope, and the sky Castle.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
No, I won't say that because it's kind of it's
one of those unwritten rules that when you're out with
the group. Look, you people could order massive appetizer, huge steak,
You could get a salad if you wanted to, but
we're all splitting it the same way. So it's it's
never come up where I'm just like, what in the
world is happening right now? Like, no, I'm not spliting it. Plus,
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i've been at the dinners where Willie mcguess one time
invited me as a rookie to a dinner with eight
people at a nice steak restaurant and the bill came
and he says, thanks rook and I didn't get to
split it at all. I had to pay for the
whole thing. Oh no. So and then I've also lost
in the credit card roulette. I told that story where
I lost in the credit card roulette. That was eighteen
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dudes at a dinner table.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You had at one an eighteen shot to lose it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
And you lost it. And I'm sweating every time they
pull a card out. Now we're getting to five, Now
we're at three. Now we're at two, and I get
the one credit card. I mean, and we're talking about
every veteran player, from Rodney Harrison to Brady the Bruski
to all these guys that played in the league for
ten years. I'm like, in my third year, I'm sitting
there going you gotta be kidding me, what is what
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kind of bad luck do you have to have?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So your version they started eighteen and hat and when
they pulled it was dead. It didn't it's the last
one or not.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And they heard that I lost that remember the bill
twenty something?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
M M, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That was.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
That was the swift kick and that you know what,
that was not not fair. So when you go with
five people and somebody orders an extra advertiser, you're like, bro,
I'm just gonna make sure I order something that I
wanted to eat. Fair enough, Yeah, fair enough. Last one,
you're the head football coach at Arkansas and you just
beat number one Texas at home. The postgame reporter asked
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what this win means. Are you staying humble? Are you
throwing it right into Texas face?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I'm going full horns down immediately right middle camera.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There's only one school that I hate and it's Texas.
So you're definitely I'm going hard horns down because I'm
never going to coach at Texas. I know in the
head coach at Arkansas. But if Texas calls and goes,
hey move on up to us. Uh No, I'm not.
I've never gonna coach Texas. So I'm gonna win the
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National Championships of Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well it ten ten million more a year with private
jet responsibilities. They buy your house everything. Growing up in.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Arkansas, we learn to hate Texas. I love Austin's living there,
a true governor, my fit. Yeah, my favorite city, love love,
my favorite city that I've ever lived in. It's not home.
Austin's awesome, but I just have grown up. You're from Arkansas,
you hate big brother Texas. They're bigger, they're richer, they
have more facilities, they have better players. They everything about
them has always been shinier fed there. They are the
Russian and Rocky four. I'm chasing a chicken in the
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backyard training and they're they're you know, they're eating the
chicken already. So yeah, we hate Texas. So they when
they ask the question, I'm going double horns down and
then I'm doing d X suck it with the double
horns it. It's two horns, two horns sucket. So yeah,
so a you doing that? All right? That is the
game called situational awareness.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Cold I see football coaches, I.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
See yeah, classic ar Kansons.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
All right, let's bring on Tampa Bay buck legend former
NFL linebacker Levante David. He just retired a few months
ago after a fourteen year run where he won a
Super Bowl. It was an All Pro, twelve time team captain,
one of the best defensive players in Tampa Bay history. Levante,
you just retired, like you're playing golf. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And I ain't doing nothing much. I'm just relaxing, you know.
I'm my feet a little bit. But I have been
working out, trying to stay in shape, you know, trying
to drop a.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Little pounds, a little bit here and there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
But golf is on my list of a lot of
people have been pitching it to me, So I'm like,
I might as well get to try and give it
a try.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Everybody look like they're having fun with us. I might try.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Are you staying in shape? In case you, I don't know,
get the right call.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Nah, I got nothing to do with that. I just
I just I just know myself. I don't want to
get carried away. You know. I like I like eating.
I like foods. I'm a sweet s guy.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So I just want to try to stay stay consistent
on that so I won't get carried away.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Did you know last year that was gonna be your last.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Year at some point?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, at the beginning no, but towards, you know, at
to see the beginning, Like towards the middle of the season,
I kind of got the feeling that yet, this might
be it for me. But like when I'm when i'm
you know, when I'm getting ready for the season, I
don't think about, you know, if it's gonna be my
last time or not. But just certain things transpired throughout
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the season and stuff like that, and you just start
to realize, like, yeah, you know, this this the game.
You know, it's been been amazing, and now it's time
for me to probably like move along and give it up.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Obviously we are not the same, but things on me
don't heal as fast because I've gotten older. Would you
notice that about yourself too, things don't heal as easy.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, as I got older, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I just remember I used to tell stories to the
guy like man, I didn't used to warm up before
games until it was time to actually go out.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And then as I started.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
To getting older, I'm like, oh, like nah, I need
to start going out and warming up warming up these
uh these uh, these tendons and these muscle so on
how being strained and stuff like that. But uh, just
passed the past couple of seasons kind of like reminded me.
Yeah yeah, buddy, you're getting up there in age, man,
so uh uh, you gotta play through some things that
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you don't want to play through.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Whereas back then those things to be healed by now.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But as you get older, it does, you know, tend
to take a longer process to get you know, fully healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You started off a year in JUCO. What is JUCO like? Well,
if you're at a junior college, what is Are there
any frills at all?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Man, I won't I won't recommend it to nobody. Man,
you know what I'm saying. Uh, but it definitely was
something I'm you know, I definitely uh a t to
you know, the set that I.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Had throughout my football career. It humble me in a way.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It helped me grow as a as a as a man,
in as a football player.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It taught me a lot of discipline.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Just you know, going through that thing, going through that
stuff like being mentally.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Tough and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
There's definitely a different aspect of football that goes on
in the junior college ranks and just the ballots you
have to go through, the adversity, you have to go
through the obstacles you have to go through to you know,
make it to where you want to make it. It's
tough and it just it takes a different level of
different attitude to get through all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But it was a great journey, man, and I don't
I don't you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Love that I went through that and it definitely, you know,
helped me become personality in today.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What were the amazing things that were different about when
you played at Nebraska as far as food and luxuries.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's exactly order for us. The food. The food was different, man,
the food was different.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Just coming I remember taking a visit to Nebraska and
I'm like, they got the cafeteria and they were like, yeah,
go ahead some me. I'm like, I could get some
of that like that right there. I could go and
get that, you know what I'm saying. And then not
just you know, at Nebraska it was just stuff specific
for you know, football.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Players or certain athletes.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And then you know, Juco it was like the whole
school almost and the menu wasn't as intriguing, you know,
sometimes going to eat McDonald's and you know, just the area.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Not much in the area.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And I got to Nebraska man, it was just amazing,
even though like me being in care for Miami, it
was a.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Big difference from Fort Scott, Kansas to Lincoln, Nebraska. For sure.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Why did you pick Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Honestly just being out in Kansas and doing the relationships
with people, being out in the Midwest and seeing how,
you know, the great the people were in in those environments,
and then going to Nebraska, I kind of got that
same feel the fans, the people that everybody just accepted
me and everybody was welcoming, and that's just something that
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I fell in love with. And my family, my mom
and dad sot like I should stay you know, out,
stay out, stay out, you know, in the Midwest instead
of trying to come back South, and things like that
help me focus, help me play, stay disciplined, and help me,
you know, focus on what my goal was, and that's
what was to make it to the NFL and doing that,
they was able to do that for me. You know,
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I felt like, you know, playing with coach Bocaline, he
prepared me to play for the NFL and UH a
certain amount of competition and things like that, playing a
big twelve and the big team came to help me
prepare me for the NFL. And that's what my biggest
decision was. And you know, having friends already there, guys
who know know the area and knows what it takes
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for something that played huge factoring it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Were you curious at all going from Fort Scott Community
College to Nebraska how long it would take for you
to adjust to the speed and then how long did
it take you to adjust I.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Want to say, to the speed, but more so of competition,
just because coming from junior college is not it's not
a lot of you know, you have some competition, but
it's not a big variety of competition.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Coming from junior college.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Ranks at the time, and then going to Nebraska, you know,
you got to care from all different cities, all different states,
guys with you know, Bay you know places freshmans, you know,
having all these stars.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
So I knew the competition was going to be you
know competitive, But as far as the speed.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
At the time, no, not much. I didn't think the
speed was going to be a big difference.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But uh, I guess just learning to playbook, getting you know,
getting up to date with everything, and you know, I
have a you know, give a shot out time I
got will comforted for that. It will help me you know,
throughout my time there, and kind of like learn to
playbook coming from junior college and going to the Brassa
but far as like speed and you know, gameplay, it
kind of kind of picked up for me.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well left off.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You spent two years in Nebraska before you went out
for the draft. Where did they tell you you may
land even what what you know late for second third round?
And then were there any teams that were like we're
in and maybe they weren't in once draft they hit man.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know, it's crazy though. My junior year, I just
remember my junior year.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I had incredible season my junior year and didn't thinking
of didn't think about going to the NFL, didn't think
at much of it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But I just remember out of nowhere, you know, Facebook.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
At the time was real popular and big, and I
just was getting all type of messages and things like
that from agents on Facebook. And then I don't know
how they found my number and the agent started hitting
me up, you know, trying to say like you know,
you you you have a chance to answer the draft
or whatever we want to be to take a chance
to represent you. And I guess coach Spellini and I
spread coach at a time. Coach Dobson got win of
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that and they called me in for a meeting in
the office and it was like, I know, teams probably
hit you up and stuff, I mean, agent stuff, probably
hit you up for you to come out, but you know,
they thought that it would be best about, you know,
give it another year and things like that. But I
didn't have it on my mind to you know, leave
after my junior year and things like that. And then
that's kind of like when I realized that Alum I
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had a real opportunity to make it to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
And then my senior year came around.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I just remember people saying that I could be a
second to third round pick and possible make it to
mid first as my process went on. But my whole
thing was just going out there, just trying to dominate
it and you know, put my best work out there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So you spent three years in Nebraska, then.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Two, Okay, I spent two.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
This was after my junior year that was talking about,
and then I played my senior year and after my
junior years when I realized that I actually can make
it to the NFL and then that's when I started,
you know, getting more notoriety and you know kind of
like realizing that, you know, playing the NFL as possible.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Did you want to go back home to Florida? Like
was it was? It like, man, if Tampa gets me
in the spot, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I didn't think. I didn't know. Honestly, I did it because.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I kind of got I got kind of got used
to being out, you know, being away from home. One
team that I thought it was gonna give me was Cleveland.
I thought Philly, I thought Chicago and Tennessee. I thought
those teams for sure was in a runner for sure
to give me out. I was a constant communication with
those guys throughout the whole process, even after.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
The comebound was over. You know, they kept checking in
on me, and Temple was.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Not on my radar. I didn't know they was on
my radar. But when they did draft me, it definitely
was a huge, huge blessing for me because obviously being
out in the Middle West, being away from Florida all
the years of college, as we felt like, you know,
God had a plan for me.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He was like, you just go away, you focus to be.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Disciplined, you take care of what you need to take
care of, and you know you'll get a chance to
get back home and play it front of your family.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Same questioning about whenever you go from playing Nebraska to
the NFL. What was it that again was so eye opening?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Speed?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Competition?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Size? What was it that right there? Felt definitely was
speed and size? You know, dudes was huge.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You know, I remember my rookie year. We had car knicks,
and I just remember my rookie year. It was a
training camp and like one of the very first practices,
full of padded practice, he was a pulling guard and
he had to come around the pull and me, being
a linebacker at the time, I had to take.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
On the guard and it was nowhere around it.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I couldn't, you know, like I knew it was coming
and like I can't like I can't avoid it, Like
it was a certain defense that I had to take
it on.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And I just remember running.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
There and closing my eyes and I thought that, you know,
you thought you did something good and make a good contact,
get off of him and run out of the ball.
And when you're watching on film, man, the whole that
he created after hitting me was crazy, like, dang, so
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta add a little more,
a little bit more pounds, you know, to my stature
and get myself going. And I'm like I had to,
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you know, really quickly realize that this was gonna this
was was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
How much way did you put on rookie year to
the rest.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Of your career.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
My rookie year, honestly, I probably played in between two
fifteen and two twenty, and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Heaviest I got in my career was actually this pasture.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I played at like two thirty, two thirty, two thirty one,
but I was usually throughout my career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I was usually around no higher.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Than two twenty eight, But I felt my best between
two twenty five to twenty two, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So you're talking about very small margins. So even a
three pounds difference, you would feel faster or stronger.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, definitely for me because all
seasons I work on my slow stealers, I work on
my speed.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I work on work on.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Like my first step, quick first step, quickness to get
off the ball and stuff like that, be able to
you know, go sideline the sideline, because that's what that
was my game. You know, it was a lateral game,
running sideline of sideline and using my instincts with my
speed and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then you know, as we get little heavier, that
kind of like, you know, way on you a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I definitely felt the difference a big time as I
got older. So that's why I just try to say,
you know, and that and that weight range as far
as like two twenty five, so I've been able to
still move around how I want to move around.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You spent over a decade being the captain. Do you
get voted or picked by the coaches to be a captain?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
It's voted they using team vote. I know since I've
been in Tampa. Once the final roster is set and
you come back and you have that first team meeting,
sometimes team coaches you know, having out pieces of paper
and it's just basically like tell you you know who
you want to vote. You can get two people to
cadem to office of captain and special team captain, and
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you know, glory to God man, I was voted you know,
by the team, by the player and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't think I've been a part of a team
that will coaches coach.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm not sure if they alter anything or not, but
from for the most part, you know, players vote on
who they want to lead the team, and I was
lucky to be a part of that for elet the
twelve years, so you.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Played fourteen years. In the last it feels like the
last decade or so, we see a lot more RPOs
as a linebacker. A lot of that is on you.
Was that something that you had to learn as that
started to happen more and was that difficult?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It was difficult at the beginning, and you know, you
just have to kind of let it. Let the coverage
or whatever the defense that you're in kind of like
take away that sponsor responsibility to take take your responsibility
for the RPO game. If you want a cover two defense,
for instance, you know you really you know, pass first,
so you have to you know, read through the three
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steps and things like that, and you have to be
slow to the run.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So when you're in.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Cover two, you can kind of like take away the
RPO read and a flat guy can if the ball
going out to the flat, your flat corner can.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Take away take you that away, and you take away
the inside and.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Kind of like let your D line eat up the
run a little bit to let you, you know, kind
of like roam over the top and then some of
some of the defense when you and man and man,
it's kind of hard to play against because you more
so have your eyes on the on the ball Carr
and you have to running back man and man, and
they dished the ball out to the fact you have
to tight end you're going to be behind it. So
it's kind of, you know, different, You just have to
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have to have a great game plan set up against it.
But I think the main thing is to stay that way.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You just have to be patient. For sure.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Who was the hardest quarterback to have to play against
because of the r PO?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Because of the r P O.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The hardest r PO got introduced early on. I'll probably
say Jayalen Hurts. He did a great job of running
the Opio offense when they had it going. He was
probably the most difficult for sure, especially you got a
great running back and you know, you got a great
you know officer weapons on the outside, so that's pretty
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good at it. I can't think of anybody else for sure,
But and obviously you know Cam mean too when he
when they was running a little bit and that's don't
read read option scheme that they had, So that was
pretty you know, difficult to play form.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So you're counting on your defensive line to eat up
those offensive guys right to give you the to let
you see what's happening and make a.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Decision correct, correct, Yeah, you have to, just like because
as a linebacker sometimes the responsibility is in the past
game too as well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You have to you would cover through.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You have to play this hook and once the quarterback
seat bite down on.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
A run, the quarterback to throw the hook right behind you.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And that's the biggest supposed to pay because that's your
zone area and there's nobody else around. The next person
is the middlefield free safety. So it's kind of hard,
That's what I'm saying. Like, you got to you gotta
count your d line and like kind of like e
all that stuff up, you know, kind of mess it
up for you, and to make sure the quarterback give
you you know, make the quarterback make a decision real.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Fast for you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
When you win the Super Bowl, i mean, come on,
is that the greatest?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
It was amazing, you know for me personally, you know,
I'm sure everybody felt, you know, great about it, But
for me, man, it was amazing because, you know, to
be honest, I didn't think I'd get to that point, uh.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
With the with the season that I had before prior
playing for the Bucks. But you know, I knew, you know,
we always had the talent and the pieces together. We
just needed to you know, make it all, you know,
make it all work.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
And and that particularly year, we've made a rate man,
And it was the best feeling in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I just wish a lot of the guys who I
played with in the past, who I thought I was deserving,
to get that moment and they get a chance to
guys like Jereed McCoy, uh, things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I wish you know, those guys can be able to
you know, celebrate that moment with.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Me because you're such a buck, a lifelong buck, and
you knew it was time to retire. But is there
a little bit of guilt going man? Now they got
to replace me?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
No, not for real, man, you know, uh uh, you know,
they the Buzz do a great job of bringing in guys,
so you know, kind of like I wo't want to
say phil boys, but you know, just you know, pick
up where you know other guys left off. You know,
you know, I felt like they have the great roster
put together. Especially they did a great job in a draft.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I know a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Fans and people are you know, who support organization Wall
rehappy with the free agency stuff. They felt like, you know,
they should have made a splash fregency pick up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But I felt like it was great pieces.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
It was pieces that we needed, you know, and Adams
Angeloni adding Ashawn Robinson, guys like that.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It was real, real big for us.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
And I think from the defensive defestive side, and then
going to the draft, you had a ruined Bain. You
add Monte Scott, Keante Scott, sorry he had another weapon.
That receiver in Hearst, who you know, was a take
the top off guy, a big receiver, even though we
lost Mike Evans. But you kind of like added pieces
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that kind of like pick up the slack a little bit.
And that's why that's what I kind of like expected
out of those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
For sure, are you.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
In your own head going, I know I'm gonna miss
it whenever the season starts. Just got to get through.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely gonna miss I know I'm
gonna miss it because you know, when you play football
for so long. I miss playing football for thirty years,
and this honestly might be my You know, this is
gonna be on our first year not playing football and
not even preparing for it. So it's definitely gonna be
tough for me to kind of like adjust. But for me,
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I'm a fan of the game. I love the game
and I must still be around it. So but I'm
gonna be around it, but I don't think I'm gonna
play it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I ain't gonna miss playing it, but it's definitely gonna be.
The preparation and stuff like that is something I'm definitely
gonna miss. But I gotta find something to kind of
like combat that. Like you said, man, I may get
into some golf for something to kind of like take
my mind off of it. Or pick a ball, a
pickle ball, maybe a pickerball. I don't know, man, I
gotta get these legs and these A little break. Pickleball
is a little bit too much, you know what I'm saying.
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I gotta give me another year or to jump on
the pick a ball court.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
How does an ankle surgery from playing pickleball. I agree,
I completely.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A graduated for my ankle.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Terrible, terrible, terrible, Levante. I really appreciate it. Man, you
awesome player. Find a watch you over the last you know,
ten fourteen years, I guess. So thank you for the time,
and I hope you have a great first non playing season.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Amazing, man, I appreciate you. Thank you for having me
and accomplish.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Thank good. Let's talk about the Miles Garrett trade, because
if I'm Miles Garrett, if I'm in one, I'm loving
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leaving Cleveland. I don't know. I've been to Cleveland. It's
always been nice to me. But I just don't think
you want to play for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They don't win.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's not good ownership. They're not gonna win next year.
And also, if you get to go to the Rams,
that's like you're leaving the worst and going to the
best situation. So listen, we're not breaking this story by
any means, but the Browns traded Miles Garrett to the
Rams for Jared Verse, who, by the way, is really good.
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It's not like that chopped liver. But everybody compared to
Miles Garrett is chopped liver if you're doing the exact comparison,
and then multiple draft picks as well. The Browns get
the first round pick in twenty twenty seven of the RAMS,
which by the way, will probably be very late when
you think heaven.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at least in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
It's one of those NBA type picks where they're like,
they're giving up their first round pick, but you know
they're a good team and that first round pick is
going to be like twenty two and you're like, well,
you're not going to get somebody. NFL is different, for sure,
but they're not going to get like a top ten
pick out of this. Yeah, they get a second round
pick in twenty twenty eight to third rounder in twenty
twenty nine. This is one of the biggest trades ever
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as far as a defensive player. Garrett on social media
think the Browns. He really doesn't need to. He did
that whole newspaper ad last year before he sign.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No, that wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Put that up again. The screenshot that put that back
up again. Miles Garrett hundred twenty five sacks, twenty three
forced fumble, six fumble recoveries four hundred and twelve tackles.
Why this is good if you're not a fan of either,
is that you finally you're gonna get to see Miles
Garrett play for something, actually have a chance to win
a championship. You're gonna see really how dominant he is
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when they can't focus the entire team to stop him.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I mean, he's got to be the happiest.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Man in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
And the first person I thought of was Jared first,
because he's a hell of a player. Yeap was having
a good couple first years. And then now it's like,
now I go to Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
The Pro Bowl doesn't matter as much anymore. However, for
defensive guys, I do think it matters more. Offensive guys,
like quarterbacks, they just go nanna and nah, we don't
want to go. Defensive players, they don't really punt. They
just kind of take the award. Yeah, he's a two
time Pro Bowler. Yeah, that feels legitimate. Very now, Shude
Sanders doesn't feel legitimate that he was in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I forgot he was in Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, because everbody kept saying, no, here's what the Rams
have done with their first round pick since twenty sixteen.
In twenty sixteen Jared Goff, which they traded for Matthew Stafford.
Twenty seventeen, no pick. They had traded it to the
Titans to draft Golf, which they later traded for Stafford.
Twenty eighteen, no pick. They traded that to the Patriots
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for Brandon Cooks. Maybe maybe not a great one there.
That's one of those We're probably not a great one, right, No.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I mean Brandon Cooks. I think he has played for
every team by now.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Twenty nineteen, no pick, twenty twenty, no pick. That was
to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey twenty twenty one, no pick.
This is all first round, twenty twenty two, no pick,
traded Allions for Stafford twenty twenty three, no first round pick.
That was Stafford as well. So they had seventeen eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three all with no
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first round pick.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Wild.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I didn't realize it was that long.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, you don't really think about it. It's already been
a decade in the I mean seven years. No first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Twenty twenty four they did draft Verse, which they just
traded twenty twenty five no pick. So what I had
heard is that they drafted ty Simpson this last year
because they felt like this trade was going to happen,
and they knew if they didn't draft a quarterback they
could not get wanted all next year. And that Stafford
is obviously awesome but also old, and so whenever you
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know that a little bit of hindsight, it does make
more sense. Now, if you don't think ty Simpson is good,
that's different. But you were like, why did you draft
a first round quarterback whenever you have Matthew Stafford and
you're gonna pay him, you know, a bunch of money,
which they did. They paid him for another year as well.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, oh that makes sense then.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But it does make sense if you know you're not
gonna have a first round pick the next year, unless
somehow you're going to trade for one. But twenty twenty seven,
next year, they will have no first round pick. So
in eleven years they've had one, two, three first round picks.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yea, And they had another one this year and they
traded for McDuffie Jeeves the quarter chiefs.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Mc duffy's awesome too.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
The other thing was, and this is a story, and
I think the story's funny because it was very much
the Rabel Russini, AJ Brown to the Patriots all of that,
but mostly it's to you. You're a big Patriots fan.
How do you feel about A J.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Brown?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I'm fired up, man. It's one of those that's been
going on for how many months now? And then you
didn't really believe it, believe it until it was finally like, Okay,
it's officially official. We got our number one guy. Haven't
had one since Randy Moss fifteen twenty years ago. I'm
fired up.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You think he It's not Belichick's culture anymore.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
True?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He played for He didn't play for Rabel, though, did he? Yes,
he did play.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
A year with Brabel.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, And I read that that was a huge factor
in why they were able to be like, Okay, we'll
give up a first rounder because Rabel felt comfortable with
him and bringing him in and felt like he could
handle the you know, the AJ Brown number one receiver
drama that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, then I think I like it a little more.
I didn't realize he played for Rabel, that Rabel was here.
Abel had to trade him, didn't he Yeah. Now it's
all kind of coming back to me.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Remember that there was that a viral video that on
draft Day where they traded him and they drafted a
boy Arkansas receiver and uh yeah we saw that went.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
He was hurt the whole time. I know, a Tylnbarks,
he was a heart all.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Sorry trade Loen Barks No, no, shade them.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Well that's exciting then for you, especially because of the
Vrabel aj brown previous relationship. And Rabel knows what he's
getting is Aj Brown hold.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Though he turns twenty nine this month, Okay, so he's got.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Two and a half three years before he gets old.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, which I'll take. And you know, we got Dobbs
in free agency earlier in the year, and I mean
that's a pretty damn good offense. No offensive line still
needs work, that's why he drafted guy in the first round.
But it's it's the offensive weapons are there.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Aj Brown one of seven players in NFL history with
at least eighty five hundred receiving yards sixty touchdown catches
in his first seven seasons. He only played seven years, dude,
it feels like he's played twenty years.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, and for like five different teams.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Patriots had ten picks in next year's draft, one in
each of the first four rounds and two in the fifth.
So the two picks they traded though, were, what a
first in twenty eight?
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, so that wasn't even next year.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
No, it's not even next year, and then a fifth
and twenty seven next year.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Sounds like the Eagles just wanted to get out from
underneath them, huh.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I know. I think it's all about cutting that salary,
is what it was, cutting in half and just getting
them off the books. I mean, when they drafted Mikaile
Lemon is like Okay, yeah, for sure this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
See Obj's going back to the Giants. Yeah, Is that
is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I don't know. I was like wow, and I'm like yeah,
but I mean when I know he hasn't played and
it's only been a year or so, but he hasn't
been relevant while.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, I thought when they said he was going back,
he was going back to be like an ambassador to
the you know how they have old players like being
an ambassador to the fans. Yeah, I thought that's what
it was. I didn't know he was actually gonna go
back and play.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I was a little I mean,
who knows if he even makes a team for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Did Obj ever play for Harball?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, in the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Okay, so there's an example of Harball probably knowing not
just what he's getting as far as a distraction, but
also what he's getting athletically as a wide receiver. Yeah,
he's two years older, but I always feel a little
better about those if there's been a previous relationship where
it's not a surprise to the head coach because he's
had to have experience with them. Yeah, and so Obj
did play for the Ravens. That's that's weird.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, it's kind of like DeAndre Hopkins played for the
Ravens just like.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, but then he started playing for everybody. Yes, it's
hard to even remember him of the Texans, even though
he was so dominant. He's not playing for everybody. He
was so good because Texans, Cardinals, Yep, Titans, Ravens, Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Chiefs, forgot about the Chiefs?
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Are all five of those accurate?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (46:00):
Bingo?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
All five?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
And then is he playing next year as of right now? Oh? Okay, yeah, Yeah,
he's a free agent as of now, all right, Well,
there you go. There's your not late breaking, but you're
semi late. It's nice to have NFL news in general.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
Though.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
How about Russell Wilson CBS. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I did see a headline on that is he gonna
be an analyst, so he It's one of those deals though,
where if he decides to go back, he gets to
get out of his contract and go play. Yeah, or
is he saying for sure he's not playing because a
lot of times what will happen is and I don't
know about this situation. They agree to these deals, but
there's also a caveat in their contract going if they
do get a look that they can step back into
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the game.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I did see he had an offer from the Jets
to be the backup to Gino and he said no
to that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
He's expected to join the Sunday pregame show replacing Matt
Ryan and will sit alongside James Brown, Na Birlson and
Bill Cower. So just the pregame show right now.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Huh m hmm.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I bet if he gets a decent offer, he goes
back and plays a little bit. He seems to think
he can all always play anything and then he's always
QB one. Yeah, like regard bless. All Right, that's it.
Thank you everybody for listening. Thanks to Matt Castle, thanks
to kick Off Kevin, thanks to Brandon Ray, thanks to me.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
We've had lots to say. We'll see you guys next week. Bye,
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost to say.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lost to save.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
What Becker here?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
And we hope you say because we.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Got lost to say.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, we got lost to say.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now, here's Bobby That everybody, welcome to the show. That's
Matt Castle. Who I'm Robert Jones. Thank you for being here.
We're gonna do a little something called situational awareness. We
do this every week. Your scenario. First, you're the starting
quarterback of your team, another player on the team, It
doesn't matter who gets into trouble in real life. Do
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you reach out to him or you do? Do you
let it just play out and just business as usual?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I think at first you treated as business as usual,
and because it usually comes out in the papers or
something like that. Social media and so these things come
about and you don't really know all the circumstances or
anything like that. But if you're close with anybody on
your team and they're going through some I'll reach out
with the text and say, hey, thinking about you. Let
me know if you knew any need anything. Now, it's
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also dependent on what the situation is you know, you
see domestic abuse, see something like that, I've got no
tolerance for it, so that I would never reach out
on something like that. I'd let the do process take
its course. But in terms of something where you know,
a guy gets a DUI, I gotta get something like that.
We all make mistakes, We're all human, and you definitely
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are trying to be supportive in that circumstance.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Are there certain players that coaches build i'll say support
teams for to keep them out of trouble?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yes, without a doubt. I mean, so we have play
development in every building in the NFL, and they really
deal with the players, helping them find housing, setting up
for the rookies, all these different It's basically a classroom
session on finance, on banking, on anything that you could
possibly think of, workplace ethics, all these things. They set
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that up. But there are also somebody that you can
go to with a problem and say, hey, I need
some help here. I got outstanding tickets or I got this,
that and the other. Can you point me in the
right direction. So they're there as a support system. Now,
in terms of coaches in certain players, sometimes they'll put
other veteran players in charge of helping get this guy
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to where he needs to be, be a mentor to
a younger player that might get out of line at times,
might be a little bit wild at times, and so
you're leaning on your veterans in the locker room. But
at the same time, the coaches understand, hey, we might
have a problem here. We need to get ahead of
this thing before it becomes a bigger issue.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Have you ever heard of an instance where they had
put a chaperone on somebody.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Oh, one hundred percent, Mike Williams when I was at USC.
They would drive to his house, pick him up in
the golf cart to take him to class because he
would never go to class. So we had to make
sure that that dude got to class because he was
an absolute stud, but he just had no interest at
times in going to class, and so we would send
somebody over there, pick him up and take him to
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his classes and make sure he's in his classes.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
When you get to the NFL, and obviously you're supposed
to be adults, but you also know not everybody makes
the same adult type decisions. Does that happen in the
league as well, where you have certain not obviously coordinators,
but other coaches who are constantly checking in on some
of the players to make sure they're not making bad decisions.
Now that they have more resources and money, a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Of coaches will go above and beyond if they notice
an issue or a problem that continues to show itself
up again and again and again, and so they'll take
maybe a different stance on it and maybe more of
somebody that's there at any given time. But the difference
in the NFL is, like you said, you're playing professional football.
This is your job, and so they've got standards in place.
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So you miss a meeting or you're late to a meeting,
that's a five thousand dollars fine first time, fifteen thousand
dollars a second time, and it goes up from there.
It could be conduct detrimental. So if guys are missing meetings,
being late to meetings, not doing showing up to what
they need to be at, they're gonna get fined, period.
And you might not make a trip. And I've been
on teams where guys haven't made a trip. So it's
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all depends on the coach and his approach and how
stern he's going to be about it. You might get
a get out of jail free card once, but you're
going to start seeing guys get fined more and more.
We have a guy finded one hundred thousand dollars in
a week because of what missing meetings, missing meetings or
not showing up to meetings, and Greg Harding's that's exactly
who it was when we were in Dallas, and it
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was like he was on his own time. But I'll
tell you what. On game day he'd show up and
my god, he was a beast. But throughout the course
of the week it was like, Hey, I know I'll
be there on game day so you can find me,
but I'll just pay my fine. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's a massive fine.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
It's a massive fine.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's a massive fine.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay, hit me with one, all right.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
You compaired with a guy in a chair golf tournament
who's taking it way too serious, literally ruining the round.
Do you try to loosen them up or you just
survive to fight another day and just try to get
through the round as quickly as possible. Now, are you
that guy?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Though I'm not that guy. I've had these experiences where
someone will add an auction bid to either play with
me and we go wide individually, or it's an entire
charity golf tournament and I'm just one of the celebrities
that's of twenty and people get matched up.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So it's both of those.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But I'm playing with somebody who has paid extra money
to play with a celebrity, and they put a lot
of pressure on themselves to play well for a couple
of reasons. One it's usually a really nice course, some
sort of special course, and then two they're playing nine
holes with some celebrity, sometimes me. Then it switches to
somebody else and they want to play really well in
front of that person. So I've had probably more than
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five instances where the person is just chunking clubs or
slamming or cursing or going I'm not this. I will
for a hole, be loose in light and be like,
there's no big deal. I suck too, you know that
type thing. After a hole, I just let them do
their thing. I'm not trying to jump in. I'm not
trying to repair their world. Also, there's no need to
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act like that, right, and there's no need for me
to fix that, Like I want them to know, dude,
I'm not good either. However, after about a hole of this.
I'm not trying to fix them.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I get being competitive, but you're not a professional golfer.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I have a friend that's really bad at golf and
he still gets so pissed when he plays and plays bad.
And I'm dude, what do you expect You've never done good?
You don't practice, Yes, why is your expectation to par
a hole when well, you never par holes and you
never practice.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That's why I go out with my expectation of if
I play bogie golf, it's a pretty good day for me,
and I'll hit a few pars here. I might double
bogie with a few, but I'm not going to lose
my temper over golf. I promise you that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You're like a life sandbagger though just generally speaking, and
I mean that in the most complimentary way. That's annoying
to someone like life off sandbagger.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, are we taking them about golf for life? Both? Okay? Great?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But I would Yeah, what I would equate it to
is in golf when someone's like, ah, I'm not that
good and they show up and they're really good. I
have had a few of those days where what you
sandbagged purposely No, I was a twelve.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Okay, and I shot a seventy nine one time, And
that's not a good look because that really does make
you look like a sand bag lying because I can
hit the hell of a ball. But again, any given swing,
I could be out in the woods over here to
the right to left. My short game could suck. But
then once I get about you know, maybe two white
claws in me, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Good to go.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Maybe you're not a live sandbagger. Maybe you're just like
the ultimate humble.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I'm not that good at golf and I don't practice.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think you're ultimately I think more, don't you guys agree?
He's like ultimate humble, He's like the great you like
the greatest guy. It's annoying play baseball and football USC
It's like yeah, yeah, dual sport athlete, tall sports. Yeah,
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You're the ultimate humble because you unless someone like beats
it out of you, you're not gonna say anything positive
about yourself.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah that's true. I am not one of those people
that are am boastful by any means necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But it's not even boastful. It's like you have to
like crowbar things out of you to just like admit
to something.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I just admitted I was a sandbagger.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't know if that's the most like, Hey, good
job castle I brought out. Sandbagger is unfair because I
sandbanger is doing that with purpose. I think you're just
honestly extremely humble.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I am not. Yeah, try to be.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah you are.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's annoying.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You're the exact opposite. I'm just kidding. What's my next
in there? Oh wait, yeah, what's my next scenario.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Let's say your podcast partner wants to stab you in
the neck right after the podcast is over. How about
you react to that?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Well, I'd get a little defensive.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
All right, here's the rail one.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Here's the rail one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You're at your son's baseball term at all week and
another dad keeps giving your kid swing tips from behind
the fence. You're gonna say something, You're just gonna let
it go.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Oh no, I'm definitely gonna say something. Did Let's just
pump the brakes here. He's twelve, he'll figure it out.
If he's got If we got something to work on,
let's do it later. But stop talking to my kid period. Like,
there's no circumstance in which I think a parent in
the stands should be talking to any kid, even their
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own kid. I don't talk to my own kid during
the game because I think it's the coach's responsibility. If
you wanted to coach, then coach, sign up to coach.
If not, sit there and just be there and as
a supportive role for your kid and let him know
regardless whether they strike out three times or get four hits,
you're still gonna love them and you're still gonna be
there to support him. Period. That's how I look at that.
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But no, they're not allowed to talk to my kid
during a game.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, what about and this is not your kid related?
What about parents? They yell at youth umpires.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Can't stand that. Either can't stand it now one of
those people that will bark at another person say it
was a strike. But there are parents at every single
tournament I go to. They've got fifteen year old kids
behind playing umpire. Right, they're gonna make some good calls,
they're gonna make some bad calls, and it's not gonna
be perfect. But these people, you think it's the World
(10:24):
Series Game seven of MLB where they're held to a
different standard. I'm like, get over it. And usually it's
probably their kid that they called the strike on and
they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Who's your strike?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
So it's been inconsistent, old game. Who cares like they'll
deal with it. It's a little adversity.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's a sixteen year old out and making eighteen bucks
in a game.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. These are not professional
umpires here. They're out there and they're serving your kids
to just try to umpire the game. So yes, but
I don't say much of those people because it usually
I've been at tournaments where it's led to fistfights between
parents on the opposing teams to where they have to
call the cops to a tournament to an eleven U
or a twelve YU tournament because the umpire's making bad
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calls and they're arguing over it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Making sense, Do you ever want to tell like the
coaches even of your kids teams at times, like hey,
I played college baseball, I was drafted, Like I kind
of know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
No, I am not bostful. You already know that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I want to tell them that, and I didn't. I
wasn't and I want to be like I played college
baseball and I was drafted, but I didn't, so I don't.
I would like to do that. That'd be awesome, all right,
what you got?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
All right? Someone recognizes you in public and keeps calling
you by the wrong name. How do you respond?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Great?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I love it, I love hilarious. Yeah, that's happened. More
than that. It's people who will come up because someone
else has approached me at some point earlier, come to
ask for a picture. So they see us take a
picture together and then they see it and they go, huh,
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you must be somebody. And they come up and go,
I don't know who you are, who are you?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And they put you in a weird place because you like,
do I answer?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do? I tell me?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Honestly, it's because it's not gonna impress them. They don't
know who I am, so they obviously are not interested
in anything that I do. Also like, I'm happy to
tell you, but you're not gonna be blown away by it.
So that is a weird one because then they'll say
something like, well, I never heard of you, but let's
just take a picture anyway, and then you're like the
court situation. So that one's tough. The other one that's
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weird is when someone comes up and goes, hey, I'm
not really a fan, but my sister is, can I
get a picture with you? I just would prefer you
to leave that I'm not really a fan out, just
be like, hey, you might if I get a picture,
I'd love it.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Absolutely tell me you say no to that?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Never, I won't say no to that by one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Would be like, I'm not a fan, but my sister is,
can can I get a picture with you? No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's just something you can leave off like it doesn't
hurt anything to go, hey, would you mind for get
a picture? Because the same thing's gonna happen. Gonna get
a picture and you're gonna send it to your sister,
And I didn't have to get insulted in the process, exactly,
because that is what happens. Another thing too, that's funny
is when people will go, hey, can I get a
pick picture? And then they can't. They give the phone
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to somebody and they can't really hold on and it
takes forever, and so they've given the phone to somebody
who doesn't really know how to work a phone, or
they've given it to them and it's flipped the wrong
way and they don't And so that's happening. But I
was on a flight once, just randomly with Gavin de Gral,
the singer, and so we were sitting next to each other,
flying back from New York, and he said, when you
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leave the plane, too many people ask you for pictures
at the airport. Say yeah, sometimes, he said, do you
do the trick where you grab their phone? I said,
I said, what's that? He goes, Oh, it's the greatest
because what it'll do is it'll stop people that don't
know how to work their phone. He said, you know
how to work the phone. Great, So as soon as
they go, can I get a picture? You? Yeah, say here,
you grab their phone, you turn it, you do the cellfire,
you hand it, you hand them.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
The phone back.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He said, eliminates a third of the time, no small talk.
And because yeah, and there's not somebody's like, how do
you do flip it?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you put your coat in so I can get
the camera back? So sage advice from Gavin de Gral phone, Yeah,
somebody calls me the wrong name. I do get like, hey,
I heard your Bobby Jones and I'm not the dead golfer,
And it's just it doesn't hurt my feelings at all.
It's funny. But sometimes people will go, hey, are you him?
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Who is at the Are you talking about what? What?
What person? Specifically is him? So those are kind of
awkward situations, but they're fine. They're fine, all right. Last
one for me to you. You're at a team dinner
with five people and one guy orders the most expensive
thing on the menu plus appetizers for the table without asking.
Then he wants to split it all evenly, so it's
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not like a rookie meal. But it's like you and
some boys are together and he goes hard and appetizers, heck,
drinks too, and then wants to split it evenly. Are
you going to say something?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Nope, and the sky Castle.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
No, I won't say that because it's kind of it's
one of those unwritten rules that when you're out with
the group. Look, you people could order massive appetizer, huge steak,
You could get a salad if you wanted to, but
we're all splitting it the same way. So it's it's
never come up where I'm just like, what in the
world is happening right now? Like, no, I'm not spliting it. Plus,
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i've been at the dinners where Willie mcguess one time
invited me as a rookie to a dinner with eight
people at a nice steak restaurant and the bill came
and he says, thanks rook and I didn't get to
split it at all. I had to pay for the
whole thing. Oh no. So and then I've also lost
in the credit card roulette. I told that story where
I lost in the credit card roulette. That was eighteen
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dudes at a dinner table.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You had at one an eighteen shot to lose it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
And you lost it. And I'm sweating every time they
pull a card out. Now we're getting to five, Now
we're at three. Now we're at two, and I get
the one credit card. I mean, and we're talking about
every veteran player, from Rodney Harrison to Brady the Bruski
to all these guys that played in the league for
ten years. I'm like, in my third year, I'm sitting
there going you gotta be kidding me, what is what
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kind of bad luck do you have to have?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So your version they started eighteen and hat and when
they pulled it was dead. It didn't it's the last
one or not.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And they heard that I lost that remember the bill
twenty something?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
M M, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That was.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
That was the swift kick and that you know what,
that was not not fair. So when you go with
five people and somebody orders an extra advertiser, you're like, bro,
I'm just gonna make sure I order something that I
wanted to eat. Fair enough, Yeah, fair enough. Last one,
you're the head football coach at Arkansas and you just
beat number one Texas at home. The postgame reporter asked
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what this win means. Are you staying humble? Are you
throwing it right into Texas face?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I'm going full horns down immediately right middle camera.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There's only one school that I hate and it's Texas.
So you're definitely I'm going hard horns down because I'm
never going to coach at Texas. I know in the
head coach at Arkansas. But if Texas calls and goes,
hey move on up to us. Uh No, I'm not.
I've never gonna coach Texas. So I'm gonna win the
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National Championships of Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well it ten ten million more a year with private
jet responsibilities. They buy your house everything. Growing up in.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Arkansas, we learn to hate Texas. I love Austin's living there,
a true governor, my fit. Yeah, my favorite city, love love,
my favorite city that I've ever lived in. It's not home.
Austin's awesome, but I just have grown up. You're from Arkansas,
you hate big brother Texas. They're bigger, they're richer, they
have more facilities, they have better players. They everything about
them has always been shinier fed there. They are the
Russian and Rocky four. I'm chasing a chicken in the
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backyard training and they're they're you know, they're eating the
chicken already. So yeah, we hate Texas. So they when
they ask the question, I'm going double horns down and
then I'm doing d X suck it with the double
horns it. It's two horns, two horns sucket. So yeah,
so a you doing that? All right? That is the
game called situational awareness.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Cold I see football coaches, I.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
See yeah, classic ar Kansons.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
All right, let's bring on Tampa Bay buck legend former
NFL linebacker Levante David. He just retired a few months
ago after a fourteen year run where he won a
Super Bowl. It was an All Pro, twelve time team captain,
one of the best defensive players in Tampa Bay history. Levante,
you just retired, like you're playing golf. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And I ain't doing nothing much. I'm just relaxing, you know.
I'm my feet a little bit. But I have been
working out, trying to stay in shape, you know, trying
to drop a.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Little pounds, a little bit here and there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
But golf is on my list of a lot of
people have been pitching it to me, So I'm like,
I might as well get to try and give it
a try.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Everybody look like they're having fun with us. I might try.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Are you staying in shape? In case you, I don't know,
get the right call.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Nah, I got nothing to do with that. I just
I just I just know myself. I don't want to
get carried away. You know. I like I like eating.
I like foods. I'm a sweet s guy.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So I just want to try to stay stay consistent
on that so I won't get carried away.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Did you know last year that was gonna be your last.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Year at some point?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, at the beginning no, but towards, you know, at
to see the beginning, Like towards the middle of the season,
I kind of got the feeling that yet, this might
be it for me. But like when I'm when i'm
you know, when I'm getting ready for the season, I
don't think about, you know, if it's gonna be my
last time or not. But just certain things transpired throughout
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the season and stuff like that, and you just start
to realize, like, yeah, you know, this this the game.
You know, it's been been amazing, and now it's time
for me to probably like move along and give it up.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Obviously we are not the same, but things on me
don't heal as fast because I've gotten older. Would you
notice that about yourself too, things don't heal as easy.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, as I got older, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I just remember I used to tell stories to the
guy like man, I didn't used to warm up before
games until it was time to actually go out.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And then as I started.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
To getting older, I'm like, oh, like nah, I need
to start going out and warming up warming up these
uh these uh, these tendons and these muscle so on
how being strained and stuff like that. But uh, just
passed the past couple of seasons kind of like reminded me.
Yeah yeah, buddy, you're getting up there in age, man,
so uh uh, you gotta play through some things that
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you don't want to play through.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Whereas back then those things to be healed by now.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But as you get older, it does, you know, tend
to take a longer process to get you know, fully healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You started off a year in JUCO. What is JUCO like? Well,
if you're at a junior college, what is Are there
any frills at all?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Man, I won't I won't recommend it to nobody. Man,
you know what I'm saying. Uh, but it definitely was
something I'm you know, I definitely uh a t to
you know, the set that I.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Had throughout my football career. It humble me in a way.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It helped me grow as a as a as a man,
in as a football player.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It taught me a lot of discipline.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Just you know, going through that thing, going through that
stuff like being mentally.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Tough and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
There's definitely a different aspect of football that goes on
in the junior college ranks and just the ballots you
have to go through, the adversity, you have to go
through the obstacles you have to go through to you know,
make it to where you want to make it. It's
tough and it just it takes a different level of
different attitude to get through all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But it was a great journey, man, and I don't
I don't you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Love that I went through that and it definitely, you know,
helped me become personality in today.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What were the amazing things that were different about when
you played at Nebraska as far as food and luxuries.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's exactly order for us. The food. The food was different, man,
the food was different.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Just coming I remember taking a visit to Nebraska and
I'm like, they got the cafeteria and they were like, yeah,
go ahead some me. I'm like, I could get some
of that like that right there. I could go and
get that, you know what I'm saying. And then not
just you know, at Nebraska it was just stuff specific
for you know, football.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Players or certain athletes.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And then you know, Juco it was like the whole
school almost and the menu wasn't as intriguing, you know,
sometimes going to eat McDonald's and you know, just the area.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Not much in the area.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And I got to Nebraska man, it was just amazing,
even though like me being in care for Miami, it
was a.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Big difference from Fort Scott, Kansas to Lincoln, Nebraska. For sure.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Why did you pick Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Honestly just being out in Kansas and doing the relationships
with people, being out in the Midwest and seeing how,
you know, the great the people were in in those environments,
and then going to Nebraska, I kind of got that
same feel the fans, the people that everybody just accepted
me and everybody was welcoming, and that's just something that
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I fell in love with. And my family, my mom
and dad sot like I should stay you know, out,
stay out, stay out, you know, in the Midwest instead
of trying to come back South, and things like that
help me focus, help me play, stay disciplined, and help me,
you know, focus on what my goal was, and that's
what was to make it to the NFL and doing that,
they was able to do that for me. You know,
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I felt like, you know, playing with coach Bocaline, he
prepared me to play for the NFL and UH a
certain amount of competition and things like that, playing a
big twelve and the big team came to help me
prepare me for the NFL. And that's what my biggest
decision was. And you know, having friends already there, guys
who know know the area and knows what it takes
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for something that played huge factoring it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Were you curious at all going from Fort Scott Community
College to Nebraska how long it would take for you
to adjust to the speed and then how long did
it take you to adjust I.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Want to say, to the speed, but more so of competition,
just because coming from junior college is not it's not
a lot of you know, you have some competition, but
it's not a big variety of competition.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Coming from junior college.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Ranks at the time, and then going to Nebraska, you know,
you got to care from all different cities, all different states,
guys with you know, Bay you know places freshmans, you know,
having all these stars.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
So I knew the competition was going to be you
know competitive, But as far as the speed.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
At the time, no, not much. I didn't think the
speed was going to be a big difference.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But uh, I guess just learning to playbook, getting you know,
getting up to date with everything, and you know, I
have a you know, give a shot out time I
got will comforted for that. It will help me you know,
throughout my time there, and kind of like learn to
playbook coming from junior college and going to the Brassa
but far as like speed and you know, gameplay, it
kind of kind of picked up for me.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well left off.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You spent two years in Nebraska before you went out
for the draft. Where did they tell you you may
land even what what you know late for second third round?
And then were there any teams that were like we're
in and maybe they weren't in once draft they hit man.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know, it's crazy though. My junior year, I just
remember my junior year.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I had incredible season my junior year and didn't thinking
of didn't think about going to the NFL, didn't think
at much of it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But I just remember out of nowhere, you know, Facebook.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
At the time was real popular and big, and I
just was getting all type of messages and things like
that from agents on Facebook. And then I don't know
how they found my number and the agent started hitting
me up, you know, trying to say like you know,
you you you have a chance to answer the draft
or whatever we want to be to take a chance
to represent you. And I guess coach Spellini and I
spread coach at a time. Coach Dobson got win of
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that and they called me in for a meeting in
the office and it was like, I know, teams probably
hit you up and stuff, I mean, agent stuff, probably
hit you up for you to come out, but you know,
they thought that it would be best about, you know,
give it another year and things like that. But I
didn't have it on my mind to you know, leave
after my junior year and things like that. And then
that's kind of like when I realized that Alum I
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had a real opportunity to make it to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
And then my senior year came around.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I just remember people saying that I could be a
second to third round pick and possible make it to
mid first as my process went on. But my whole
thing was just going out there, just trying to dominate
it and you know, put my best work out there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So you spent three years in Nebraska, then.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Two, Okay, I spent two.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
This was after my junior year that was talking about,
and then I played my senior year and after my
junior years when I realized that I actually can make
it to the NFL and then that's when I started,
you know, getting more notoriety and you know kind of
like realizing that, you know, playing the NFL as possible.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Did you want to go back home to Florida? Like
was it was? It like, man, if Tampa gets me
in the spot, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I didn't think. I didn't know. Honestly, I did it because.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I kind of got I got kind of got used
to being out, you know, being away from home. One
team that I thought it was gonna give me was Cleveland.
I thought Philly, I thought Chicago and Tennessee. I thought
those teams for sure was in a runner for sure
to give me out. I was a constant communication with
those guys throughout the whole process, even after.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
The comebound was over. You know, they kept checking in
on me, and Temple was.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Not on my radar. I didn't know they was on
my radar. But when they did draft me, it definitely
was a huge, huge blessing for me because obviously being
out in the Middle West, being away from Florida all
the years of college, as we felt like, you know,
God had a plan for me.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He was like, you just go away, you focus to be.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Disciplined, you take care of what you need to take
care of, and you know you'll get a chance to
get back home and play it front of your family.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Same questioning about whenever you go from playing Nebraska to
the NFL. What was it that again was so eye opening?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Speed?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Competition?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Size? What was it that right there? Felt definitely was
speed and size? You know, dudes was huge.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You know, I remember my rookie year. We had car knicks,
and I just remember my rookie year. It was a
training camp and like one of the very first practices,
full of padded practice, he was a pulling guard and
he had to come around the pull and me, being
a linebacker at the time, I had to take.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
On the guard and it was nowhere around it.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I couldn't, you know, like I knew it was coming
and like I can't like I can't avoid it, Like
it was a certain defense that I had to take
it on.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And I just remember running.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
There and closing my eyes and I thought that, you know,
you thought you did something good and make a good contact,
get off of him and run out of the ball.
And when you're watching on film, man, the whole that
he created after hitting me was crazy, like, dang, so
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta add a little more,
a little bit more pounds, you know, to my stature
and get myself going. And I'm like I had to,
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you know, really quickly realize that this was gonna this
was was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
How much way did you put on rookie year to
the rest.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Of your career.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
My rookie year, honestly, I probably played in between two
fifteen and two twenty, and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Heaviest I got in my career was actually this pasture.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I played at like two thirty, two thirty, two thirty one,
but I was usually throughout my career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I was usually around no higher.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Than two twenty eight, But I felt my best between
two twenty five to twenty two, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So you're talking about very small margins. So even a
three pounds difference, you would feel faster or stronger.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, definitely for me because all
seasons I work on my slow stealers, I work on
my speed.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I work on work on.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Like my first step, quick first step, quickness to get
off the ball and stuff like that, be able to
you know, go sideline the sideline, because that's what that
was my game. You know, it was a lateral game,
running sideline of sideline and using my instincts with my
speed and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then you know, as we get little heavier, that
kind of like, you know, way on you a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I definitely felt the difference a big time as I
got older. So that's why I just try to say,
you know, and that and that weight range as far
as like two twenty five, so I've been able to
still move around how I want to move around.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You spent over a decade being the captain. Do you
get voted or picked by the coaches to be a captain?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
It's voted they using team vote. I know since I've
been in Tampa. Once the final roster is set and
you come back and you have that first team meeting,
sometimes team coaches you know, having out pieces of paper
and it's just basically like tell you you know who
you want to vote. You can get two people to
cadem to office of captain and special team captain, and
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you know, glory to God man, I was voted you know,
by the team, by the player and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't think I've been a part of a team
that will coaches coach.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm not sure if they alter anything or not, but
from for the most part, you know, players vote on
who they want to lead the team, and I was
lucky to be a part of that for elet the
twelve years, so you.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Played fourteen years. In the last it feels like the
last decade or so, we see a lot more RPOs
as a linebacker. A lot of that is on you.
Was that something that you had to learn as that
started to happen more and was that difficult?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It was difficult at the beginning, and you know, you
just have to kind of let it. Let the coverage
or whatever the defense that you're in kind of like
take away that sponsor responsibility to take take your responsibility
for the RPO game. If you want a cover two defense,
for instance, you know you really you know, pass first,
so you have to you know, read through the three
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steps and things like that, and you have to be
slow to the run.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So when you're in.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Cover two, you can kind of like take away the
RPO read and a flat guy can if the ball
going out to the flat, your flat corner can.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Take away take you that away, and you take away
the inside and.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Kind of like let your D line eat up the
run a little bit to let you, you know, kind
of like roam over the top and then some of
some of the defense when you and man and man,
it's kind of hard to play against because you more
so have your eyes on the on the ball Carr
and you have to running back man and man, and
they dished the ball out to the fact you have
to tight end you're going to be behind it. So
it's kind of, you know, different, You just have to
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have to have a great game plan set up against it.
But I think the main thing is to stay that way.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You just have to be patient. For sure.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Who was the hardest quarterback to have to play against
because of the r PO?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Because of the r P O.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The hardest r PO got introduced early on. I'll probably
say Jayalen Hurts. He did a great job of running
the Opio offense when they had it going. He was
probably the most difficult for sure, especially you got a
great running back and you know, you got a great
you know officer weapons on the outside, so that's pretty
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good at it. I can't think of anybody else for sure,
But and obviously you know Cam mean too when he
when they was running a little bit and that's don't
read read option scheme that they had, So that was
pretty you know, difficult to play form.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So you're counting on your defensive line to eat up
those offensive guys right to give you the to let
you see what's happening and make a.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Decision correct, correct, Yeah, you have to, just like because
as a linebacker sometimes the responsibility is in the past
game too as well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You have to you would cover through.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You have to play this hook and once the quarterback
seat bite down on.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
A run, the quarterback to throw the hook right behind you.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And that's the biggest supposed to pay because that's your
zone area and there's nobody else around. The next person
is the middlefield free safety. So it's kind of hard,
That's what I'm saying. Like, you got to you gotta
count your d line and like kind of like e
all that stuff up, you know, kind of mess it
up for you, and to make sure the quarterback give
you you know, make the quarterback make a decision real.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Fast for you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
When you win the Super Bowl, i mean, come on,
is that the greatest?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
It was amazing, you know for me personally, you know,
I'm sure everybody felt, you know, great about it, But
for me, man, it was amazing because, you know, to
be honest, I didn't think I'd get to that point, uh.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
With the with the season that I had before prior
playing for the Bucks. But you know, I knew, you know,
we always had the talent and the pieces together. We
just needed to you know, make it all, you know,
make it all work.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
And and that particularly year, we've made a rate man,
And it was the best feeling in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I just wish a lot of the guys who I
played with in the past, who I thought I was deserving,
to get that moment and they get a chance to
guys like Jereed McCoy, uh, things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I wish you know, those guys can be able to
you know, celebrate that moment with.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Me because you're such a buck, a lifelong buck, and
you knew it was time to retire. But is there
a little bit of guilt going man? Now they got
to replace me?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
No, not for real, man, you know, uh uh, you know,
they the Buzz do a great job of bringing in guys,
so you know, kind of like I wo't want to
say phil boys, but you know, just you know, pick
up where you know other guys left off. You know,
you know, I felt like they have the great roster
put together. Especially they did a great job in a draft.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I know a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Fans and people are you know, who support organization Wall
rehappy with the free agency stuff. They felt like, you know,
they should have made a splash fregency pick up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But I felt like it was great pieces.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
It was pieces that we needed, you know, and Adams
Angeloni adding Ashawn Robinson, guys like that.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It was real, real big for us.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
And I think from the defensive defestive side, and then
going to the draft, you had a ruined Bain. You
add Monte Scott, Keante Scott, sorry he had another weapon.
That receiver in Hearst, who you know, was a take
the top off guy, a big receiver, even though we
lost Mike Evans. But you kind of like added pieces
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that kind of like pick up the slack a little bit.
And that's why that's what I kind of like expected
out of those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
For sure, are you.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
In your own head going, I know I'm gonna miss
it whenever the season starts. Just got to get through.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely gonna miss I know I'm
gonna miss it because you know, when you play football
for so long. I miss playing football for thirty years,
and this honestly might be my You know, this is
gonna be on our first year not playing football and
not even preparing for it. So it's definitely gonna be
tough for me to kind of like adjust. But for me,
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I'm a fan of the game. I love the game
and I must still be around it. So but I'm
gonna be around it, but I don't think I'm gonna
play it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I ain't gonna miss playing it, but it's definitely gonna be.
The preparation and stuff like that is something I'm definitely
gonna miss. But I gotta find something to kind of
like combat that. Like you said, man, I may get
into some golf for something to kind of like take
my mind off of it. Or pick a ball, a
pickle ball, maybe a pickerball. I don't know, man, I
gotta get these legs and these A little break. Pickleball
is a little bit too much, you know what I'm saying.
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I gotta give me another year or to jump on
the pick a ball court.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
How does an ankle surgery from playing pickleball. I agree,
I completely.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A graduated for my ankle.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Terrible, terrible, terrible, Levante. I really appreciate it. Man, you
awesome player. Find a watch you over the last you know,
ten fourteen years, I guess. So thank you for the time,
and I hope you have a great first non playing season.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Amazing, man, I appreciate you. Thank you for having me
and accomplish.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Thank good. Let's talk about the Miles Garrett trade, because
if I'm Miles Garrett, if I'm in one, I'm loving
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leaving Cleveland. I don't know. I've been to Cleveland. It's
always been nice to me. But I just don't think
you want to play for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They don't win.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's not good ownership. They're not gonna win next year.
And also, if you get to go to the Rams,
that's like you're leaving the worst and going to the
best situation. So listen, we're not breaking this story by
any means, but the Browns traded Miles Garrett to the
Rams for Jared Verse, who, by the way, is really good.
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It's not like that chopped liver. But everybody compared to
Miles Garrett is chopped liver if you're doing the exact comparison,
and then multiple draft picks as well. The Browns get
the first round pick in twenty twenty seven of the RAMS,
which by the way, will probably be very late when
you think heaven.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at least in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
It's one of those NBA type picks where they're like,
they're giving up their first round pick, but you know
they're a good team and that first round pick is
going to be like twenty two and you're like, well,
you're not going to get somebody. NFL is different, for sure,
but they're not going to get like a top ten
pick out of this. Yeah, they get a second round
pick in twenty twenty eight to third rounder in twenty
twenty nine. This is one of the biggest trades ever
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as far as a defensive player. Garrett on social media
think the Browns. He really doesn't need to. He did
that whole newspaper ad last year before he sign.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No, that wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Put that up again. The screenshot that put that back
up again. Miles Garrett hundred twenty five sacks, twenty three
forced fumble, six fumble recoveries four hundred and twelve tackles.
Why this is good if you're not a fan of either,
is that you finally you're gonna get to see Miles
Garrett play for something, actually have a chance to win
a championship. You're gonna see really how dominant he is
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when they can't focus the entire team to stop him.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I mean, he's got to be the happiest.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Man in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
And the first person I thought of was Jared first,
because he's a hell of a player. Yeap was having
a good couple first years. And then now it's like,
now I go to Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
The Pro Bowl doesn't matter as much anymore. However, for
defensive guys, I do think it matters more. Offensive guys,
like quarterbacks, they just go nanna and nah, we don't
want to go. Defensive players, they don't really punt. They
just kind of take the award. Yeah, he's a two
time Pro Bowler. Yeah, that feels legitimate. Very now, Shude
Sanders doesn't feel legitimate that he was in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I forgot he was in Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, because everbody kept saying, no, here's what the Rams
have done with their first round pick since twenty sixteen.
In twenty sixteen Jared Goff, which they traded for Matthew Stafford.
Twenty seventeen, no pick. They had traded it to the
Titans to draft Golf, which they later traded for Stafford.
Twenty eighteen, no pick. They traded that to the Patriots
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for Brandon Cooks. Maybe maybe not a great one there.
That's one of those We're probably not a great one, right, No.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I mean Brandon Cooks. I think he has played for
every team by now.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Twenty nineteen, no pick, twenty twenty, no pick. That was
to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey twenty twenty one, no pick.
This is all first round, twenty twenty two, no pick,
traded Allions for Stafford twenty twenty three, no first round pick.
That was Stafford as well. So they had seventeen eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three all with no
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first round pick.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Wild.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I didn't realize it was that long.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, you don't really think about it. It's already been
a decade in the I mean seven years. No first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Twenty twenty four they did draft Verse, which they just
traded twenty twenty five no pick. So what I had
heard is that they drafted ty Simpson this last year
because they felt like this trade was going to happen,
and they knew if they didn't draft a quarterback they
could not get wanted all next year. And that Stafford
is obviously awesome but also old, and so whenever you
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know that a little bit of hindsight, it does make
more sense. Now, if you don't think ty Simpson is good,
that's different. But you were like, why did you draft
a first round quarterback whenever you have Matthew Stafford and
you're gonna pay him, you know, a bunch of money,
which they did. They paid him for another year as well.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, oh that makes sense then.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But it does make sense if you know you're not
gonna have a first round pick the next year, unless
somehow you're going to trade for one. But twenty twenty seven,
next year, they will have no first round pick. So
in eleven years they've had one, two, three first round picks.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yea, And they had another one this year and they
traded for McDuffie Jeeves the quarter chiefs.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Mc duffy's awesome too.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
The other thing was, and this is a story, and
I think the story's funny because it was very much
the Rabel Russini, AJ Brown to the Patriots all of that,
but mostly it's to you. You're a big Patriots fan.
How do you feel about A J.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Brown?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I'm fired up, man. It's one of those that's been
going on for how many months now? And then you
didn't really believe it, believe it until it was finally like, Okay,
it's officially official. We got our number one guy. Haven't
had one since Randy Moss fifteen twenty years ago. I'm
fired up.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You think he It's not Belichick's culture anymore.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
True?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He played for He didn't play for Rabel, though, did he? Yes,
he did play.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
A year with Brabel.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, And I read that that was a huge factor
in why they were able to be like, Okay, we'll
give up a first rounder because Rabel felt comfortable with
him and bringing him in and felt like he could
handle the you know, the AJ Brown number one receiver
drama that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, then I think I like it a little more.
I didn't realize he played for Rabel, that Rabel was here.
Abel had to trade him, didn't he Yeah. Now it's
all kind of coming back to me.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Remember that there was that a viral video that on
draft Day where they traded him and they drafted a
boy Arkansas receiver and uh yeah we saw that went.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
He was hurt the whole time. I know, a Tylnbarks,
he was a heart all.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Sorry trade Loen Barks No, no, shade them.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Well that's exciting then for you, especially because of the
Vrabel aj brown previous relationship. And Rabel knows what he's
getting is Aj Brown hold.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Though he turns twenty nine this month, Okay, so he's got.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Two and a half three years before he gets old.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, which I'll take. And you know, we got Dobbs
in free agency earlier in the year, and I mean
that's a pretty damn good offense. No offensive line still
needs work, that's why he drafted guy in the first round.
But it's it's the offensive weapons are there.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Aj Brown one of seven players in NFL history with
at least eighty five hundred receiving yards sixty touchdown catches
in his first seven seasons. He only played seven years, dude,
it feels like he's played twenty years.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, and for like five different teams.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Patriots had ten picks in next year's draft, one in
each of the first four rounds and two in the fifth.
So the two picks they traded though, were, what a
first in twenty eight?
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, so that wasn't even next year.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
No, it's not even next year, and then a fifth
and twenty seven next year.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Sounds like the Eagles just wanted to get out from
underneath them, huh.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I know. I think it's all about cutting that salary,
is what it was, cutting in half and just getting
them off the books. I mean, when they drafted Mikaile
Lemon is like Okay, yeah, for sure this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
See Obj's going back to the Giants. Yeah, Is that
is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I don't know. I was like wow, and I'm like yeah,
but I mean when I know he hasn't played and
it's only been a year or so, but he hasn't
been relevant while.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, I thought when they said he was going back,
he was going back to be like an ambassador to
the you know how they have old players like being
an ambassador to the fans. Yeah, I thought that's what
it was. I didn't know he was actually gonna go
back and play.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I was a little I mean,
who knows if he even makes a team for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Did Obj ever play for Harball?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, in the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Okay, so there's an example of Harball probably knowing not
just what he's getting as far as a distraction, but
also what he's getting athletically as a wide receiver. Yeah,
he's two years older, but I always feel a little
better about those if there's been a previous relationship where
it's not a surprise to the head coach because he's
had to have experience with them. Yeah, and so Obj
did play for the Ravens. That's that's weird.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, it's kind of like DeAndre Hopkins played for the
Ravens just like.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, but then he started playing for everybody. Yes, it's
hard to even remember him of the Texans, even though
he was so dominant. He's not playing for everybody. He
was so good because Texans, Cardinals, Yep, Titans, Ravens, Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Chiefs, forgot about the Chiefs?
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Are all five of those accurate?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (46:00):
Bingo?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
All five?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
And then is he playing next year as of right now? Oh? Okay, yeah, Yeah,
he's a free agent as of now, all right, Well,
there you go. There's your not late breaking, but you're
semi late. It's nice to have NFL news in general.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
Though.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
How about Russell Wilson CBS. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I did see a headline on that is he gonna
be an analyst, so he It's one of those deals though,
where if he decides to go back, he gets to
get out of his contract and go play. Yeah, or
is he saying for sure he's not playing because a
lot of times what will happen is and I don't
know about this situation. They agree to these deals, but
there's also a caveat in their contract going if they
do get a look that they can step back into
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the game.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I did see he had an offer from the Jets
to be the backup to Gino and he said no
to that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
He's expected to join the Sunday pregame show replacing Matt
Ryan and will sit alongside James Brown, Na Birlson and
Bill Cower. So just the pregame show right now.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Huh m hmm.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I bet if he gets a decent offer, he goes
back and plays a little bit. He seems to think
he can all always play anything and then he's always
QB one. Yeah, like regard bless. All Right, that's it.
Thank you everybody for listening. Thanks to Matt Castle, thanks
to kick Off Kevin, thanks to Brandon Ray, thanks to me.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
We've had lots to say. We'll see you guys next week. Bye,
everybody Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle
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