Mike talks to director Lee Kirk about his new Green Day comedy, Nimrods, which follows a group of teenagers who road-trip to Los Angeles for the chance to open for their heroes, Green Day, on New Year’s Eve. Lee shares how he first connected with Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong, the real-life band stories that inspired the movie, and what it was like directing a cast that includes Green Day playing themselves, Mason Thames, Mckenna Grace and Lee’s wife, Jenna Fischer. In the Movie Review, Mike talks about Super Troopers 3. The troopers try to bring down a new drug ring, while Farva's wildly over-the-top engagement to Thorny's sister spirals into chaos. Mike talks about why he thinks this proves comedy movies are dead, why Broken Lizard's comedy has aged poorly and what movie they should have made instead of this one. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Jumanji: Open World where the in-game avatars Dwayne Johnson, Jack Black, Kevin Hart, and Karen Gillan enter reality stuck in malfunctioning "demo mode," forcing real-world humans to step inside the game to fix it. Mike shares why people are outraged at Sony and the Rock’s Top 10 highest grossing movies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie Podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike. Today I am talking to
director Lee Kirk, who is putting out his Green Day
comedy this week called Nimrods. We'll talk about what it's
like to work with Green Day because they are producers
on the movie it is based on their story. In
the movie review, I'll be talking about Super Troopers three,
which the original is one of my favorite cult classic
(00:21):
comedies from the two thousands. Is it good or is
it trash? And in the trailer Park, we'll talk about
Drewmanji Open World, which has a lot of people on
the Internet upset for a very weird reason, but it
is the Internet. People are always upset over there, so
we'll talk about that. Thank you for being here, Thank
you for being subscribed, shout out to the Monday Morning
Movie crew. And now let's talk Movies.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Movie Mikes Movie Podcast about to get into my interview
with writer and director Lee Kirk. He is the filmmaker
behind the new Green Day inspired comedy called Nimrods. It
is in theaters this Friday, August fourteenth, or depending on
when you are listening to this episode, it could be
out now, so if you love music movies, get your
tickets to go see Nimrods. The movie is about three
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teenagers who hit the road from Kansas City to Los
Angeles in order to open up for their favorite band,
Green Day. The movie is based on stories of Green
Day's life leading up to their first ever major label debut,
which is Dookie, one of my favorite punk rock albums
of all time. The movie stars Mason Thames, who you
(01:30):
might know from The Black Phone one and two. He
plays a character named Tommy. He was also in that
movie Regretting You, which also starred McKenna Grace, who was
also in this movie. She was also in Ghostbusters Afterlife
and Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. And then you have Jenni Fisher,
who you probably know as Pam from the Office. She
is not only in this movie, but she is also
(01:52):
married to Lee Kirk, So we'll talk about that what
it's like to work with his wife and what it's
like to work with Green Day, because not only do
they start in the movie as them themselves, they are
also producers on the movie, so we'll get into that
how this whole thing came together. And even if you
don't love green Day's music. I think you will listen
to this interview and think, Man, this is a guy
who is an independent filmmaker making a movie that is
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really hard to even see the light of day. Because
this is a movie that if it came out when
I was ten, maybe twelve years old, would have been
my next favorite movie because it's just about a band
trying to make it a great coming of age comedy.
So let's get into my interview now with the director
of Nimrod's Lee Kirk. On now a director Lee kirk
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who just put out a movie that I feel I
wish I had this movie when I was thirteen years old.
This is like my favorite genre. You have all my
favorite things. You have punk rock, you have a road
trip movie, you have one of the best rock bands
of all time. So thank you for joining the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Dude, Thanks for having me, Mike. This is really exciting.
I'm so glad you love the movie. Man, that means
a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I want to get all into it, but before I do,
I kind of want to get to know you a
little bit because I knew you grew up in Texas.
How did growing up in Texas shape you as a filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's a good question, man. You know, when I was
a kid, I was mostly an actor. Okay, that's really
what I did in high school. But I would say,
you know, summertime, I was at the movies every weekend.
You know, I was seeing movies every weekend. And that time,
they were making movies sort of that were directed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
At me, you know, at teenagers.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That was kind of the thing that was making money
for Hollywood at that time, with the Brat pack and everything.
So yeah, you know, I went to a lot of movies,
and so when I started making Nimrods, I was thinking
back to those films and trying wanted to try to
make a film that felt sort of like those films
that I that I watched when I was a teenager,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And growing up in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, I grew up in walks of Hackey, so
I knew, like that's my hometown as well. And I know,
just like coming from Texas, it kind of feels like
you you're like your own entity because we live in
the South, but it's not really the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
South, that's right. That's right, man, it's its own thing.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Texas is its own thing, man, it's his own personality,
you know, own way of speaking. You can always kind
of tell someone who's from Texas. Yeah, it's it's obviously
been a huge influence growing up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So something that stick out to me about the movie
is where Tommy gets his first four track, where finally
they can record their first demo. This is going to
put them on the map because they can finally have
some recorded music. For you, as a filmmaker, who gave
you your first camera that you were able to make
your own project on.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh that was you know, that was my folks.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know, we had a camp, we had a video camera,
and I still remember the time that when my brothers
and I made a film and we had to edit
in the camera, you know, you'd you'd, you know. So
I remember we did a shot where one of us
was leaving the room and then we went into the
living room and we picked up and you know, and shot.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
My brother coming into the room.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And then we watched it and it worked, you know,
and it was like so exciting because it looked like
we'd actually were making no movie, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So we used to play around with like like that.
In the summer. We had nothing to do in the.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Summer, we would go to the movies and we'd play around,
and we'd go to a place called Photon, which was
like a laser tag place, and we'd play with the
video camera, we ride the bust of them, all that
kind of stuff, And.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
When did you know you wanted to incorporate that in
the movie. Because what I love about it is it
kind of feels timeless in a way because it is
set like right now, but they don't have technology. Obviously
with the band name the Analog Dogs. They have flip phones,
they have the four track recorder. But what I loved
about it is it doesn't have social media in there,
where I always feel like movies that come out right
(05:28):
now geared towards teenagers, or they feature teenagers, they're like,
all right, they're on TikTok, and it just it instantly
dates the movie for me, Like if I go back
in five years, I'm like, oh, that movie feels so
dated to me. So what was the decision of these
guys are not going to have any technology?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So great question.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So early on, when I was tasked with making the
Green Day movie, I started to look at, well, what
you know, who are Green Day fans and realize they've
got fans that are fifty five and fifteen, you know,
And so I wanted to try to make a film
that appeal to all of those people. And one of
the ways I I thought we could do it was
to have our lead singer, Tommy into be into analog
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and so I could start to bring in all this
stuff and this texture from the past.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I could bring it into the film.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So Tommy being into analog it men, I could have
a camcorder, right, I could have his brother drives around
in an old cab like it kind of it gave
the movie license to put all that stuff into the
DNA of the film. And it also and like you said,
I didn't want to be dealing with social media. So again,
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like Tommy being an analog kid, he's not really into
social media. He's kind of into the way that he
learned his dad would do it, which is driving around
passing out tapes, making flyers, kind of the old school way.
That's kind of what he's into. So it really lent
itself to make this film that, although set in the
present day, how to throw back timeless kind of feel
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to it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So how did you meet Billy Joel Armstrong?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So I made a film with him in twenty sixteen
called Ordinary World. And I had written the film. It
was about a dad whose family forgets his fortieth birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He's like an ex rocker guy, and I.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Was confused about which actor I could get for this role.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Never thought I'd get a musician.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And the script was sent to his agent for an
actor and she read it and she said, Hey, I
wrapped Billy Joe Armstrong and he's actually been asking about
maybe doing a little acting. What do you want to
meet with him? And I was like, absolutely, that's so
outside the box. I hadn't even thought about that. And
then he read it and he was into it, and
so we ended up working together on it for almost
(07:36):
a year. We would rehearse together, we'd kind of work
on the character, make it feel very comfortable for him,
and they ended up writing music for it, and one
of the songs he wrote was Ordinary World. Originally the
movie is called Geezer, but when he wrote Ordinary World,
I was like, well, we have to have that in
the movie, and then I'm going to change the title
to Ordinary World. And so then he put up that
song on Revolution Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But anyway, we stayed in touch.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We stayed in touch and when it became time, you know,
a few years ago, he decided he wanted to do
a Greendee movie and he reached.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Out, and of course I was. I was so psyched
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So how did that start from the beginning? Because I
think a lot of people are gonna think, why is
it not a traditional biopick, like it's it's their story,
but done through different characters? So how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Originally, the idea that Billy Joe reached out to to
me about was a New Year's Eve movie a band,
A movie about a bunch of kids going to see
Green Day on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That was all he had.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So we started talking about, well, what could the story
be and who could these kids be? And we came
up with this idea of these kids who are driving
across the country, who are in a punk band, them Cells,
and they're driving across to see their heroes and you know,
for various reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I won't give away why they're driving.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Across the country, but all is not as it seems,
I'll say that, but then you know then, so then
I had to write the movie and I realized, okay,
I need a bunch of fun, crazy stuff to happen
to these kids.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now, I could either invent that stuff, or I can.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just go to the soores Billy, Joe, Mike, and Trey,
and I can ask the guys tell.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Me some crazy stories of your days on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
So they did, and then I took those stories and
I sort of reformatted them, twisted them around whatever I
needed to do to kind of fit them into my story.
And so as I was doing that, I realized, well,
I can do that with all sorts of Green Day stuff.
I can do it with just like little details like
like in the movie the kids drive around in an
ice cream truck. Green Day famously drove around an old bookmobile,
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and so that was kind of my way of paying
homage to that. But also are some personal things about
the characters too that I sort of us from Mike
and Billy Joe and Trey and put those into the film.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And so it became this way of telling.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Their story that is not, you know, a straight bio pick.
I mean, these characters aren't supposed to be Billy, Joe, Mike,
and Trey. But Trey recently I just saw him and
he said he called it historical fiction, which I thought
was actually a good way to talk about it. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you mentioned the stories there and some of the
little details you put into the movie, which I think
as punk rock fans, I grew up loving punk rock,
Green Day obviously being one of my favorite, and we
are so particular about the little details, We're gonna call
you out no matter what. But what I noticed about
the movie, it gets those little details right coming down
to like Tommy's room, Like the posters on the wall,
(10:12):
they matched, like what he would be listening to. You
had the Bikini Kill, you have the Misfits poster. What
were those little details that you put into the movie
knowing like, Okay, people are gonna pick up on this stuff,
but also Joe, what these characters are like and what
they listened to.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Sure, yeah, well, hey man, I'm so glad you said that,
because authenticity was like the driving force for me on
this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I wanted to feel real. I wanted to feel authentic.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I wanted people like yourself who see it to feel
like they recognize the world, you know. So, so yeah,
a lot of thought went into what these kids wear,
you know, what they talk about, what they listened to,
and then especially in the movie, they end up going
to this kind of punk, punk house kind of place
called The Whole, and I really wanted that to feel real.
(10:55):
I wanted to you know, and I've been to places
like that, and I wanted to feel authentic and real.
And then we got you know, we got The Paradox,
which is an up and coming really great you know,
I lothing great. They're so great, and so we got
them to be in it, and that just added even
more street cred to the movie, you know. But that
was essential, you know, it was essential that we really
told an authentic story and that you know, and it
(11:18):
felt it felt like it was a mirror to people
like yourself or young people who are into punk, punk rock,
and it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Felt like it was real.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I do want to talk about that scene without giving
away too much, because the scene at the Whole is
my favorite scene because there are a lot of small,
little Green Day details in there, and I feel like
that was kind of an homage to Woodstock ninety four.
Is that what that was?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
As it was?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes see, that's that's a perfect example of like taking
a little piece of the Green Day lore and kind
of using it for the film. So I put you know,
I kind of use that and put it. I couldn't
do the movie without having that that scene in there.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So is that one of the stories When you sat
down with them and they told you about what did
they tell you about that?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, they just told me how insane it was,
you know, And they just told me how they were
eating dirt, they had, you know, flying at them and
it was completely insane. And how also it just really
changed things for them. They suddenly, you know, it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Put them onto another stratosphere. I think everybody had seen that.
Everybody knew them from that, and and how endearing they
were and how cool they were up there just you know,
in the mud throwing the mud, you know, in the
insanity of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think something that people wonder about is what does
a producer do? And green Day are producers on this movie.
What was their role in maybe some of those details
or there aside from them being in the movie, Like
what role does a producer play when it's somebody like
green Day?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So essentially they were they were sort of my guidepost, right.
So I wrote the film, I gave it to Billy Joe.
It's kind of started with Billy Joe and I, so
we were kind of like working on the story a
little bit together, and I was of course talking to
Mike and Tray about it and stuff, but it was
kind of Billy Joe was the first one I sent
the script. He read the script. I had a couple suggestions.
I did another rewrite, and then he was like, you
know what we should do?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He liked you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So after the second rewrite, we were both like, we
like this, this is essentially the film. And he said,
rather than me give the script to Mike and Trey,
why don't we just do a reading of it. Let's
just let just do a reading and then they could
hear it. I think I think it might be more
effective that way. So we put together a whole reading
and I got a bunch of great actors and we
just read the script and it was a chance for
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them to hear it for the first time and really
understand what we were trying to do, as well as
their whole team, and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And they just got on board.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And then from there on in it was just you know,
occasionally I'd reach out. I'd be like, hey, guys, I
got a question, or I want to I want to
talk about a detail in the movie.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What's funny is when we started shooting the movie, they
had gone on.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Their their tour for the Saviors tour, so they they
were out on the road and they were they were busy.
So I would send them little daily stuff from time
to time just because I was.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Excited about it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I wanted to see it, and they would say, they
were saying, keep going, man, we're loving this.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
We're loving what we're seeing, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And and so I just kept making the film and
until finally, you know, I wanted to show them the movie.
I'd shown it to a few people, I'd gotten good feedback.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I was like, guys, it's time for you to see it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I flew to London with the film and my producer,
Tim Perell, and we sat down in the screening room
in London and I screened the movie for him, you know,
talking about nervous. I'm like, yeah, And at the end
they just said, dude, we love it, man, we f
and love it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's great. No notes, no notes for me, Wow, no notes.
Can you believe that?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I figured at least a song They would say, like,
don't use this song or whatever. They have a single one,
it was like we love it, let's go and and
I mean that was that was a hell of a
night for me in London.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That sounds incredibly rare to not have any notes when
it's so like that's like their baby, Like that's their story,
so your story.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
When it came to the music, how did you decide
what songs to include? Because obviously, I feel like Green
Day has all these different era There's the nineties era
where they exploded. There's this two thousands era, which is
kind of when I got into Green Day. So if
you look at my favorite Green Day song, it's like
in the two thousands then they had like this re
emergence and even now they're just keep getting bigger and bigger.
So how did you decide what songs to include in
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the movie?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I so Originally, when I started writing, I realized, Okay,
I've got all the whole catalog to choose from, so
I'm gonna listen to everything and make sure I've heard
every song.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And then I just it became a thing a task
of two things.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
First of all, picking songs that fit into piece story
points in the film, you know, and I wanted to
find ways to use the music that aren't just needle drops,
but are Sometimes the songs are sung in the movie.
Sometimes they're used as score, sometimes they're just background music,
you know. So I wanted to find all these kind
of creative ways to use it. And then I wanted
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to use songs that kind of like span their career
but also span the sort of the incredible variety of
songs that they write. So some hits, some deep cuts,
you know, some hidden gems, like all sorts of different
types of songs in there. And probably when I shot
the movie, I think like probably eighty percent of the
songs that are in the film were already in my head.
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In the film, and and then in the editing room,
there was a few changes that I made because I
just realized that one song might work better, But but
it was almost pretty much in my head. What I
shot was the songs that were in the movie.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Music's not cheap. How do you get all these songs
in there?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I mean, right, that's we So that was an incredible
deal with Warner Music, who owns most of their songs.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, now Green.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Day, I think their last couple of records have been
their own they're out of the Warner deal. But Warner
Music was so incredible to us. They were excited about
the movie. You know, they wanted this movie to be
out there. They wanted you know, the the new fans,
but possible to hear the songs, and so they were
just very helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They were helpful, and they made.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It very easy for us to use all all this
all this music, and I'm so grateful to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So did you say you listen to every single Green
Day song that exists?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Everyone I could find. Yeah, I mean I had to,
you know, It's like I had to. I had to
make sure I had the gamut.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean there's even there's a there's a demo for
a song called in the End that I ended up
putting it into the film that I listened to that
just felt right for that moment and the story kind
of around the time when the boys are recording their demo,
I thought, I will put a Green Day demo in there.
So yeah, I listened to as much as I could.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know, so you're the perfect person to ask your
top five Green Day songs of all time?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, it's got for Number one is definitely Jesus Suburbia,
Okay for sure, right number one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Then I would say, I would say that's number one.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I would say the song I just said in the
end is up there, basket Case. I can't go without
that song classic Wake Me Up, Wake Me Up in
September ends as far and I'm gonna throw a deep
cut in there. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say something
off Insomniac, which I've used in the movie Bab's Uvula.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Who There's a deep cut that is a strong five man.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So aside from music, what is an unexpected expense in
movies that is more expensive than people think They're just like,
I can't believe that cost, Like we're making a movie.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, Well, the concert we shot at the Palladium ended
up being quite expensive. We shot that at the very
end of the film, and things were going so well
that when I said maybe we might need to get
a crane in there for this shot. Luckily the money
was there, you know, because everyone was excited about how
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things were going. But that became so originally when Billy
Joe and I started talking about the movie, he said, dude,
what we'll do at the end, We'll just have a
concert of the Palladium and we'll shoot it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And that sounds so simple, but of course that's a
lot harder to do. And so what we did is
we got.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Two thousand extras Green Day fans to come into the
Palladium and be there all day, and then we had
four cameras going, and of course we had Green Day's
entire sound team there to make sure it sounded correctly.
We had our sound team there to record it. Of
course we had all our ama and our lights, but
we had also the concert lighting to deal with as well.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So it just became a bigger and bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And I remember the morning when I pulled up to
the Palladium to show up to work, the amount of
trucks that were out there. It was all of a sudden,
we felt like we were a big studio film because
the entire parking lot of the Palladium was was semi trucks,
you know, and so that became quite expensive. But the
cool thing about having all those two thousand Green Day
(19:26):
fans is that it was a green Day concert and
you feel that in the movie because they're all singing
and they're all going crazy, you know, and it's it's
just authentic. It goes back to the authenticity that I
worked so hard to try to achieve in the film.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
That was my other point on that concert scene is
I saw Greeney for the first time a couple of
years ago. I'd been a fan for so long, but
that was my first time seeing them live, and I
saw in the movie all the things I experienced at
the concert, like how Billie Joe pumps up the crowd,
inviting someone up to play guitar, you had the bunny
out there, all those elements that I saw live. I'm
like they featured of all in the movie. What is
(20:00):
harder directing a musician to be an actor or directing
an actor to be a musician, because you have both
here in this movie.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, that's a really good question. You know, they both
have their challenges. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Luckily on this film, everyone was was great and flexible,
so I didn't really you know, it's one thing when
you're fighting an ego, but there was no egos on
this film, which was which was a tremendous you know thing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Here's here's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know, confidence is everything when it comes to performing.
So for me as a director, what I try to
do is instill confidence. So if it's if it's an
actor playing a musician, I just want them to feel confident.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
To be free and go for it, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And same with if it's a musician who's acting, I
want them to get out of their own way. Don't
get in your head, be yourself, put it in your
own words, do it, you know, say say however you
want to say it, anything to free them up so
they're not thinking about their performance, you know. I think
that's kind of the essential point. I mean, you've got
Billy Joe who's so charismatic. He is a former already,
so just to direct him as an actor, it's just
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like tweaking those that charisma a little bit, you know.
And same goes for you know, Mason Thames playing playing
you know, singing and playing guitar.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, he's such a great actor. What's surprised you
the most about working with him his.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Depth, His his depth.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
He he you know, he's a young kid, but he's
got real understanding, he's got a real emotional maturity, and
so he brought such colors to the role and he
had great ideas and just a total pro man, just
like a great, great person to work with, and it's
just a great person, you know, showed up every day
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on time.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
All my actors did this.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, I said to them early on before when
we rehearsed, I said, just just.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know your lines. That's all I ask at you.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Just show up knowing your lines because if you know
your lines, we can play with it, we can do
all kinds of fun stuff with it. And they all
showed up so totally prepared, and a lot of this
sort of spontaneity feeling that you get in.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The film from these from those kids is is.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
The fact that they were so prepared that then they
could just let loose and trust each other that they're
going to pick up the you know, they're gonna know
what the next line is.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
They're gonna trust each other.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You know, they're gonna know what's next, and that kind
of that kind of you know, spontaneity is like it's
what breathes life into into a film for me, you know,
So it was really important to have that with those kids.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then how is it working with your wife? How
do you direct her?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, Luckily, we have a really good working relationship.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
We've we've worked together a few times and and for
this movie, man, it was just really just just you know,
first of all, I'll say this, she had so she
had gone through a breast cancer treatment. Uh before we
shot the movie. Three weeks before we started shooting, she
had finished her treatment. So so all of that experience
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was in her, All of that traumatic, difficult experience was
in her.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And she just brought all that to the surface in
this role.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know, her role really is, to me, sort of
the heart of the film, part of the story of
the movie as a family kind of going.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Through a crisis.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And I was I was just so in love with
what she was doing and what she brought to it. And
it's a role that you don't really think, you know,
you wouldn't really see her play. It's it's far from Pam,
you know. So in terms of your question, I mean,
I just let her do her thing, you know, and
maybe I would just say, oh, before you say that line,
take a breath or something. There was no notes needed
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to give in terms of performance because she just brought
so much emotional energy to it, you know, and also
motherly energy, you know, in a really fun way.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I love your approach to directing. It seems very like
let things happen, kind of laid back, but when something
goes wrong, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I like to prepare, prepare, prepare, and then on the day,
let's have fun.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Let's you know, let's let's figure it out. So sometimes
that does happen. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
My strategy of how we're going to do a scene, Okay,
the camera's going to be here, you guys come in
over here, head over there, sit down, you know, maybe
you go open up that book and whatever the blocking
is that I had in my head, and you set
it all up and you go, okay, let's do a rehearsal.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Let's just see it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And you look at it and it's a disaster and
it just doesn't work. But if everyone's prepared, then you
can say, let's reimagine this thing. Let's put the camera
over here. When do you guys already be in the.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Room, and we'll have you start in the room already
and see what that does.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And if everyone's game and they know what they're doing,
it's very easy to pivot, you know, it's very easy
to be flexible. So I just you know, stress like,
let's all just be ready to go it's be prepared,
know what we're doing, because then you can really have
fun and you can feel like you're making it up
right in the moment, even though it's all scripted, you know,
you can feel like it's got the spontaneity to it.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
What was it like working with mckinnigrace.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I mean, what a gem? What a gem.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
So when I cast her, so it's a funny, cool
thing about her is she is a musician.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She writes incredible pop songs. And so when I a
rock song, pop rock songs.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
When I ca asked her that role, wasn't a musician,
but she was so into doing the role. And I
had a meeting with her and she told me how
she loves Green Day and she's got these songs and stuff.
I said, send me your songs. I want to hear these,
you know, And so she sent me the songs and
I was like, I'm rewriting this part.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm gonna make her a musician so that.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That part of that character is her thumb print all
over it, you know. And again like Mason, total pro,
totally you know, shows up, ready to go, happy, fun
to work with, exciting, you know, just just a gem,
just a wonderful, wonderful person and very talented.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, her character is great in the movie. At the
time of recording this right now, you guys just did
a thing at Comic Con. What was that like like,
because you're at that point now where people are starting
to experience a movie, which is it's different when getting
feedback because musicians, they put out a song, they know
instantly if somebody likes it or not. With the movie,
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it's a little bit more of a slow role as
people start to see it and experience it. So now
you're out starting to promote the movie. Talk about the movie.
What are you feeling right now going into the release.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I'm thrilled.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm thrilled, you know, because I feel like, like, at
the end of the day, this is an independent film,
you know, but I feel like we the word is
getting out, you know, because we have this kind of
green day machine that just works, especially when you do
something like we did at Comic Con where that we
you know, we had this ice cream truck.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They had nimrods painted all over it. It's a replica
up the truck we used in the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Billy Joe got on the roof and saying you know,
a couple of songs and we handed ice cream, and
I gotta say, Man, to be around those three is electric.
It's just electric. They just they have an incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Vibe about them. They're super great guys.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First of all, there's really great guys and just fun
and easily you know, accessible and cool and fun to
talk to. But when you go out in public like that,
just to be a witness to it was fun, you know.
I mean, I felt like Tommy in the movie was like,
oh man, I'm on the other side of the the
you know what I mean. Here I am on the
other side of the curtain seeing all this magic that
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these guys, you know, bring, this electricity that they bring,
and and it's fun, and you know, there's some other
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Planned and and but I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Just so grateful that they loved the movie so much
and they're so excited to go out and promote it
like this.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You talked about how it's cool to like be around
them and their presence. I imagine doing what you do,
you get to be around a lot of cool people.
What is the coolest room you've ever been in? Where
you thought, Man, these people are so famous. Why am
I in this room with all these people.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Oh that is a really good question.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'll tell you my story and I'll give you a
chance to think that. One time, our mutual friend Bobby,
I was with him in Washington, d C. And he
was honoring Riba at the Kennedy Center Honors and I
just went with him. We were living together at the time,
traveling around the country, and I was just trying to
find a bathroom and I was like, where's the bathroom
in this place? And somebody's like, you got to go
down in elevator. It's like, all right. I go on
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the elevator and it opens up and I see the
entire cast of Hamilton and I see Linn Manuel Miranda,
he looks dead out cash I walk in and I'm
just sitting there and I'm not even in nice. Everybody
else is like in suits, they all look nice, and
I am in like joggers and like a leather jacket
and a T shirt. And I'm sitting here with the
entire cast of Hamilton going down the elevator. And I thought, man,
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I should not be here right now. These people are
way too famous. But that was my I should not
be in this room moment. What is yours?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So an incredible thing?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Is like when Jen and I first started dating and
we kind of got serious, we went to New York
together and we went to Saturday Night Live, okay, and
we got to go with you know, we got to
go in and sit in like the VIP seats or
whatever they are, and watch Saturday Night Live, which was
also was just just tripping.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Itself and very cool, very exciting.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But then after when we left, it was like, uh,
Fred Armison and I think, you know, Kristen Wig or I.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Don't remember who exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
All we all piled into an suv to go to
the after party, and I just remember riding in that
suv through New York City, you know, on this high
I'm with these supremely funny, funny people and I'm thinking,
how did I get here?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know what I mean, how how am I sitting
in this suv right now? This is this is so
crazy right now to be in this, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And then we get to them and we go to
this incredible party and there's even more like funny, amazing
people there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, for me, just going to New York City's
like crazy to me even still, like the first time
I walked to the Times Square, I was like, this,
this blows my mind. Like I grew up in a
trailer park. I've never seen this many people before.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It is a crazy place. Man, I love that city.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
A couple more questions for you. One of the things
I loved in the movie was there are moments where
it's like expectations versus reality, Like what meeting green Day
is like in your head as a teenager and what
it's actually like, or what backstage is like? Is what
it's actually like? When you included that in the movie,
was that a part of like just showing people that
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maybe those things aren't as glamorous as we all think,
like backstage is in some magical place.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I mean there's a little bit of that, you know,
there's a little bit of that in the in the
world of you know, when you kind of do are
able to peep behind the curtain, it's like, oh, it's
just just people, you know, doing doing their thing, you know,
with the same kind of problems I have or whatever.
You know, it's it's it's less glamorous than than.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
You might think it is. So I think there was
a little bit of that, But but I also want
to you know.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
What was what was fun for me in this movie
was I did want to capture that feeling of like
when you go to a concert and the anticipation of
seeing your favorite band, you know, walk out on stage,
and how that feels and.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How it does feel larger than life, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I I just remember, you know, as a kid when
I would go to a concert. I remember I went
to like a Bruce Springsteen concert at a reunion arena.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh yeah, I remember that. Not there anymore else.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Reference yeah, and just sitting in the in the crowd
and you're just like it was kind of my first
bigger concert, and just the anticipation of like, oh, something's
gonna happen. And then you see kind of the shadow
of Bruce Springsteen come out. It's like that's that's the
boss right there, He's coming out, you know. And so
I wanted I did that same thing in this film.
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Like there's a moment where like the lights go down
and you see the silhouettes of the Green Day walk
across the stage and just kind of that feeling of like, oh, oh,
there it is, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But then also we go backstage and.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We see the craziness, you know, or the simplicity sometimes
of what it's like.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I think that's the top five feeling in life. Whenever
you see your favorite band come out for the first
like that. I just want to bottle up that emotion.
Just the first minute that they're on stage. I think
that's the best moment of any concert.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Man, It's so special because you're you're looking, You're like,
they're here. I'm in the room with them, and they're
gonna play songs for me.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know. It's such a great feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Let's hope these hundreds of dollars I paid for these
tickets really pay.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Off exactly, exactly, man.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
My final question for you. The movie comes out on
August fourteenth. I hope everybody goes to see this movie.
I always like to give people here is this scene
to look for, So when people are going to watching Nimrods,
what is that one scene that you're the proudest of.
Maybe in the moment of shooting you're like, ah, we
got it, Like that's the that's the shot. What is
that moment that people should look for that you're the
proudest of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Okay, a scene early on that I knew I wanted
to have I'll just say the song that plays is
the song is wake Me Up when September ends.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know the scene, that's the song, that's the moment
they was there ever.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Anything too crazy that they told you that? You're like,
I would love to have that in the movie, but
maybe it's a little bit too crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
No, they didn't get nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Nothing too nuts, man, But you know they've probably it
was too crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Maybe they wouldn't have told.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Me, you know, didn't want to him to know that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, exactly, he might use it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, this has been awesome, Lee. Again, Bobby speaks so
highly of you. He was like, plea, he's the best person.
You got to have him on your podcast. He said,
if you were here right now, you'd hug your neck.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Man. That means so much to me. Bobby is such
a great guy. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I met him on a weekend golf trip and he's
like this, you know, as you know, he's a guy
with such charisma and heart you feel like it's just
my best friend, you know what I mean, Like, this
guy is so good and we haven't even talked in
a while, but being back in communication with him, it's
like it's like it never ended, you know, so like, yeah,
give him that hug, Give Hi the hug back for
(33:37):
may too.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'll pass the lee. I hope this movie just meets
all your expectations. I hope everybody goes and feels what
I did of remembering movies from like my coming of
age years, where I was just wanting something about a
band just trying to make it, trying to find their shot.
I feel like these movies don't happen that much anymore.
(33:58):
So I think when when it does come along, we
need to go support him.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Thank you, Mike. I really appreciate it. Man, Thanks for
talking to me. Thanks for talking about the movie. It
means so much to me.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Man, Thank you, Thank you so and.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Thanks for calling out the trail of my friend sent
me He's like, dude, this guy Mike listen to so
now I subscribe. And by the way, I want to
tell you, I I also listen to the headphones and
watch watch the movie at home.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's the best way way to do it. I love
all the saday That's how I watched this movie.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is that right y?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I love having the headphones because I feel like like
it just pans a little bit better, especially with them.
I love horror movies that way, but music movies as well,
because I just feel like it's a little bit more immersive.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's a far better experience.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I put on my air pods and I just connect
to my Apple TV and I watch it on my
big screen, and it's like it's it's I think it's
why whenever I watch a movie on Airplanet, I seem
to enjoy them more.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's where it came from, you know, from traveling so much.
I always have my iPad with me and I've always
like listen, you know, I watch a movie on every flight,
and then I just felt like, I don't I have
this experience at home because I love it so much more.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah. Man, that's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
This is big. Thank Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. I appreciate it too, man.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Thank you, all right, talk to you later later, buddy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Twenty twenty six, Today we lay to rest the Ranchi comedy.
Let's get into a spoiler free movie review of Super
Troopers three. This one hurts because the original movie is
one of my favorite comedies from the two thousands. This
is one of those movies that just kind of existed.
I don't remember anybody going to see this movie in theaters.
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I don't even remember anybody renting or actually buying this movie.
It is just a VHS tape or a DVD that
traveled around among a group of teenagers throughout the two thousands.
It was that movie. It was hilarious. It was a reverend.
And now here we are in twenty twenty six, all
the guys are beat doing the exact same thing what
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this movie is about. You have Farva, who is now
trying to date and marry Thorny's sister. Thorny doesn't want
anything to do with it because Farva is the most
annoying character of all the time. He is trying to
stop this wedding from happening by proving to his sister
how much of an idiot and a buffoon and a
scam artist step Farva is. And what he tries to
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do is he formulates a plan on how to get
his parents to call off this wedding. And then mixed
in there you have this drug ring from Canada that
they're kind of trying to figure out. But it just
kind of feels all crammed in there. Why I feel
this is the death of comedy and the issue I've
had with comedies recently is they don't even try. But
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unfortunately that's not the case here with Super Troopers three.
I actually think they made the movie they wanted to make.
The actual filmmaking in this movie is there. You have
actually a lot of things happening throughout the movie where
they are putting in a lot of attempts at comedy.
The problem is with Super Troopers three, it's just not
(37:08):
funny anymore. It kind of feels like going back to
your hometown to hang out with one of your funniest
friends from high school that you partied with, that you
have all these great memories with, you have quotes and
inside jokes, and then you go back as an adult
in twenty twenty six to go hang out with them
again and they're kind of still just doing the same thing.
And it's nothing wrong on their behalf. They set out
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to have the life they wanted, But you, as an
adult now just don't find those same things funny, even
though they haven't changed. Unfortunately, you have just gotten older
and do not find the exact same things funny. That
is what I felt with super Troopers three, where I
do believe all these guys, the Broken Lizard guys, are
funny guys. I think their brand of comedy has really
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aged poorly by the time we got the super Troopers three.
They actually have a very unique problem because I think
the idea alone of a suit super Troopers three or
a super Troopers four, of just making a sequel of
the movie we all love, is better than the actual
product could ever be, because I think these characters have
taken on a life of their own that we love
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the idea of Farva in Thorny, but investing our time
in watching the story that they decide to make just
isn't there. And I don't think it's on them. And
the major problem is they have put themselves in this
box that a super Troopers movie can operate in, and
they can't really veer off too much because then it
becomes something else. So you're gonna get a lot of
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odes to those same quotes, like the right now, you
can't pull over any farther the mustache rise. You have
to include that in to give it the DNA of
a Supertroopers movie. But if they were to venture off
to make this something completely different. It wouldn't feel like
that product that we all know and love. Therefore, there
is only this small little box that they can operate in.
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So what do they decide to do in this third installment. Well,
let's look at one of the most popular characters from
the Super Troopers. It's Farva. And why this movie doesn't
work like it did in that first movie is because
they put Farva as the star of it. It is
all about him getting married, all of his funny antics
that were really just a smaller piece of that first movie,
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him going to the fast food restaurant asking for the
leader o Coola, give me a double bacon cheeseburger. All
those things that we know and love him for in
that original movie are now the focal point of Super
Troopers three. And it is what I'm calling the Minions effect,
where you love the Minions in small doses indespicable me
(39:43):
but if you go watch a full out Minions movie,
it just doesn't quite hit the same. It would be
like if they decided to make a Seinfeld movie and
focus primarily on Kramer, which Kramer is really only great
in small bursts of energy. He busts through the door,
he says some crazy outlanders thing, and then he is gone.
But if you had that all the time, it would
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feel like chaos. It would lose his effect. That is
how I feel about Farva. He needs to be more
of a Kramer character, where he's there sprinkled in. When
he's in the movie, he is dominating the scene. He
comes in, says something funny, and then he's gone. The
problem is he stays there the entire time, and after
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about thirty minutes, which I think is being generous, it
just gets repentitive and you know exactly where it's going.
From the very beginning. It was very predictable. And I
know what you're saying, like, you shouldn't go into this
movie wanting to expect something great. You should know it's
gonna be predictable fun It's gonna be jokes about male
body parts. It's gonna be fart jokes. It's gonna be
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all those things that you found funny when you were
thirteen or fourteen years old when you watch the original.
And I think I just wanted the level of comedy
to mature a little bit, not even mature in the
sense of make a little bit more of a dignified joke,
but it kind of just felt like a lot of
dad humor at this point where a lot of the
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things that the super Troopers are dealing with is the
world changing around them and why everything is so weird now,
the idea of an all electric patrol car being the
craziest thing ever, The idea of their gen Z rookie
ordering everything on door dash is the craziest thing ever.
And everything has to be old school, it has to
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be manual transmissioned, it has to be gas. Anything else
is weird and we don't want any part in that.
I just feel like that mentality made this movie not
for me. I didn't find those elements of the story funny.
It's also oddly racially charged, where there's one character they
give a hard time of accusing him kind of a
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being racist, and he does things that are a little
bit questionable and they're just ribbing him on it, and
although the movie doesn't really make any offensive joke, it's
kind of just poking fun at somebody who's trying not
to be racist and then accusing them of being racist.
That entire character dynamic just felt really weird, and I
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don't know why they decided that's going to be the
thing that makes people laugh. And I know that is
an issue that a lot of comedies have right now,
is can you even make jokes without getting canceled? Is
everybody too sensitive? And I don't think that is the
case here. It's not that I was offended by what
the character was saying. It just felt really weird that
that is the story they wanted to tell. Those are
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the types of gags that they wanted to include because
this is something I feel their fan base, who is
very passionate. I am a part of that fan base,
was itching for another movie. I was very excited for this.
I didn't go into it as skeptical as I sound now,
but it just feels like you're making that movie that
is a part of your flagship title, and that is
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the road you decided to go down. That felt very weird.
It really felt more like an SNL sketch that went
on too long. And you even have Andrew Dysmuke's in
there as their rookie, who is a cast member of SNEL.
He had a lot of other random cameos there. I
was surprised they got Brian coxback, who is now writing
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off of his succession fame, but he was in the
original and I think without him it would have felt
a little bit empty, And I think it does add
a lot of credibility to the movie, although I thought
his character was a little bit wasted because he was
so funny in the original movie. I think the problem
here is in Super Troopers one, it's more believable that
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even though they are doing ridiculous things like chugging entire
bottles of maple syrup messing with everybody, that they pull
over the story in the first one, and their actions
feel more believable. It's not way over the top, it
is just over the top enough. In Super Troopers three,
it feels way more cartoonish, where Farva is doing things
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that are so outra and people are acting like it's normal.
It just doesn't really make sense because all the reactions
don't feel like they do in the first movie. It
feels like somebody reacting to bugs Bunny more so than
an actual human being. So therefore it kind of breaks
the illusion of this being able to be a story
(44:21):
that could actually exist in the real world, and therefore
just kind of felt like it was a bit of
a waste of my time. I honestly think they should
have made beer Fest two before they made Super Tube
Verst three. I think there were at times in this
movie where I saw them drinking beer and I thought,
oh man, I would so much rather see a sequel
(44:41):
to that movie. I think because they are older now,
that story probably makes more sense. It is more believable
to me that these could be guys who go and
chuck some beers and win a competition than just be
these big idiots who still somehow have these jobs. So
for Super Troopers three, Ugh, this hurts me. I give
(45:01):
it two out of five car Ramrods.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's time to head down to movie. My trailer parr.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Jumanji Open World is coming out on December twenty fifth.
This is going to close out the Jumanji franchise, and
to that, I say good riddance. For as much as
people love these movies, it is just not the Jumanji
of my childhood. I am about to sound like the
biggest boomer of all time, But Robin Williams in Jumanji,
(45:34):
that's my Jumanji. It was so magical. I love that
movie as a kid, and after watching this trailer, I
have a little bit more hope than the last one.
But it just feels like The Rock is lily padding
to all of his franchises and just letting them sink
one by one. It wasn't enough for him to take
out Mawana this year. He is now holding on for
(45:56):
dear life to a franchise that is I would say
his most successful franchise, because I don't really count the
Fast and the Furious franchise. He stars in those, but
he's not the star of those. That's been Diesel. That's
probably why the two of them have so much beef.
But this is going to be the last Jumanji movie.
(46:16):
The Rock is back, Kevin Hart is back, Jack Black
is back. Karen Gill on his back, which I wonder
about how she feels when it comes to fame because
she is Nebula in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies
and the Avengers movies, and she is a very successful actor,
but without that Nebula makeup, I think some people do
(46:37):
not realize that is her in these movies. So we'll
get into all that. I will break down what the
Rock's top ten most successful movies are and see where
he really ranks as an actor. I'm not trying to
sound like the biggest rock hater of all time, but
he just makes it so easy at this point, as
(46:58):
I just don't understand his decisions. My big question that
I want to bring to you on this trailer park
is why everybody is mad in the comments of this
YouTube video for this trailer. They are letting Sony have
it and it has nothing to do with the movie,
which is always an interesting thing when you put out
a trailer and you expect all this reaction, which I
(47:20):
think is kind of what they want from the Jumanji
franchise somehow they want like a Marvel at least the
DC level excitement. But if you go into the comments,
you see everybody complaining about one thing that is so
specific that nobody's even talking about the details of this movie,
the plotlin of the movie, which it's about the open
(47:42):
world video game concept, which I enjoy games like Grand
Theft Auto, which I believe is the best open world game.
They are essentially games where you can wander around and
do anything that you want. It goes on forever and
ever and ever, which was crazy to me when I
first was introduced to that as a kid. That's the
thing that gosh, I'm gonna sound so old in this episode,
(48:02):
but kids do not realize that games you should just
end at a certain point where you would walk so
far and then your character would just be walking up
against the wall, not being able to go anywhere else,
or some random hand would grab you and put you
back into the playing area. It wasn't like it is now,
or it just goes on forever and ever and never.
(48:23):
But that is what this movie is exploring, because now
the characters in the video game are in the real world,
but they're still acting like video games and they're moving
around very weirdly. So we'll get into all that, but
before I do, here is just a little bit of
the Jumanji Open World trailer. Push out, Mom, that's it, honey, Mom,
(48:48):
I'm right here. Excuse me? Yeah, sorry?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
What am I dreaming? Kana?
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I am denotists me?
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Janis you look so different with muscles and penis and
no hair.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh I'm okay, nor who's Tyson Antison? Except I'm a
black grown up. So the trailer actually looks a lot
more fun than I was expecting. What happens in the
movie is that the video game breaks free of the console.
It unleashes the jungle chaos into the real world. So
(49:25):
you were seeing Kevin Hart, the rock Jack Black all
in the real world, except they're acting funny because they
are set to demo mode where they are acting like
their characters would act if they were actually inside the
video game. So then what you heard in that trailer
is the humans going into the video game taking hold
of their bodies. So you have Kevin Hart actually playing
(49:47):
the real world humans. So it's kind of like Freaky
Friday mixed with a little bit of Jumanji. I do
enjoy that they still have the element of the story
whenever they get sucked into the the game. Back in
the original it was the board game, which that scene
how that movie started freaked me out as a kid,
(50:07):
And I remember actually seeing the Jumanji board game at
Walmart and I thought, oh man, I'm never getting that
because it blew my mind the first time I saw
that gets put into the game where he rolls and
he just starts disappearing into the game and he is
gone forever. You still see that here in this trailer,
(50:29):
So that's a little bit of nostalgia there. I think
it's fun when you see them in demo mode. In
the real world, you see Jack Black get hit by
a car. They all think he's dead, and then he
respawns and he's just another character. So there are those
elements of the video game that are fun. But let's
get into now why everybody's mad in the YouTube comment.
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Sony announced recently that they are going to stop producing
physical game discs for all new PlayStation titles starting on
January twenty twenty eight. And this is a movie. You
see their logo at the beginning of this trailer, and
this is a movie about a video game that when
this franchise first started, not with the Robin Williams one,
(51:11):
when this iteration started, there was a physical game console
and a physical game, and that was the whole way
they updated the story. It went from being a board
game to being a physical game that is discovered. But
now Sony is out here getting rid of physical games,
therefore kind of killing what would be a plotline in
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this movie. And how I feel about this. I love
physical media when it comes to music. I love being
able to collect records because it is something physical that
you can hold. The artwork is bigger to me when
it comes to listening to records. It is a little
bit more of a task to have to put it
on a record put the need on, but it has
this level of warmth to it. And growing up, obviously
(51:56):
I went from not really ever having tapes. I did
have see that was my primary way of listening to music.
I didn't really revolt whenever MP three's came around. I
embraced it.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I don't have to carry around this big binder anymore.
I can just have everything on my iPod or MP
three player or whatever. But when it comes to games,
I just feel it's a little bit different because to me,
there is something about owning a physical game, because I
think we consume those things differently. They are also more expensive.
The thing to me about video games is the ability
(52:32):
to share them. I would not be where I am
today if I was not able to borrow video games
growing up. I think that is a big part of it,
having a physical disc that you can lend to your friend.
But not only that, being able to sell your video games,
which was something I did a lot growing up. I'd
get a video game, I'd beat it. I'd go sell
(52:53):
it at a game stop or sell it at the
pawn shop, and there's something to be able to actually
own your games and not just have them digitally. I
do understand how it is so much easier now, doesn't
take up any space in your house to just download
a game. You just have it there in your library.
But when you think about it, you don't really own that.
(53:14):
And Sony or whoever it is, even when it comes
to movies, they can take that away at any time.
They can decide, you know what, you don't own that anymore.
We're gonna take that away, and you actually have to
pay us to own all of your games. That's it.
We can decide that title no longer belongs to you.
It is just out of your library. We're gonna reset
(53:34):
it and now you have to purchase it again. They
probably won't do that. That's taking it to an extreme,
but that is the nature of digital copies of things.
You never really own it. Even if you buy a
movie digitally, you don't own that thing forever. And you
could say, well, if you buy a disc and eventually
over time it breaks down and it no longer works
(53:57):
when you put it into your player, Eventually all things die.
That is the theme of this segment here. Eventually all
things die. But it is ironic for a studio like
Sony to be putting on a movie that is rooted
in physical media and physical discs and they are getting
rid of this in just a couple of years less
(54:21):
than that actually, So I can see why some people
are upset. And when it comes to very passionate people
who want to spend money to own their games, they
are going to be very vocal about that online. So
I think that does hurt this movie a little bit
because a lot of people were outraged in that. Because
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I think the gaming community is a very tight knit community.
They don't like people telling them how to change their
gaming process and they will revolt and this is an
example of that. Does it take away from the nature
of this movie? No, not really. But the thing that
really sticks out to me that I now realize that
(55:02):
I have I am starting to develop green screen burd
What that is. I am burnt out from seeing really
bad green screens or blue screens or even now with
a lot of movies and TV shows using the led
volume screen, which I think looks a lot better. It
adds more depth, but still it is noticeable at times.
(55:25):
The Mandalorian made that really popular where essentially you can
put your characters wherever, and you can put that background
there in real time. You adjust your lighting, you adjust
your camera, so it actually feels a little bit more
realistic and it's not just all your actors in a
blue or a green screen. The Batman with Robert Pattinson
also used that technology a lot in some of the
(55:47):
city scenes and the rooftop scenes. That looks better. But
there is a moment in this Jumanji trailer, like I
mentioned earlier, when Jack Black gets hit by the car
and then he gets up very quickly. See him in
the foreground, and behind him you see a very apparent
bad green screen job behind him, and it looks so flat.
(56:10):
And I realize, now, after watching Spider Man and all
the other movies this year that have really moved the
needle at the box office, we do not want this.
I know it is probably more cost effective. I feel
like after COVID maybe we've gone and reverted back to
using way more green screen, although I do think the
led screen has probably become more prominent since then. But
(56:32):
it just looks bad. And I think the people who
are making these decisions and putting out these movies and
green lighting things and signing off on things. Maybe even
some directors here, but oftentimes they are limited by their
resources and what the studio wants and what they will finance.
I feel like they're not thinking about how important it
is for things to look good anymore in theaters. If
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it doesn't look good, it's not appealing to our eyes.
We're gonna have on a great experience with that movie.
So that scene stuck out to me so much, saying
this feels like it lacks a lot of effort. And
I know it's a big action franchise, it's a December
family friendly release. Maybe you don't want to spend a
(57:16):
whole lot of money getting the cinematography just right, but
why not make it better. I think Brand New Day
has highly benefited from making the cinematography better because it
actually looks like a movie, and that is a really
big deal right now. And I know it's a constant
argument how movies don't look like movies anymore. They look
too glossy and shiny, and they feel very fabricated and stiff,
(57:41):
And that is still what I'm feeling watching this trailer.
Where if this movie makes a lot of money, I'm
gonna be very surprised because I just think we are
tired of this product. It tastes stale, it doesn't taste exciting.
When I take a bite into this movie, it feels like,
oh man, this is so twenty seventeen whenever the first
(58:02):
movie came out. So they need to step it up.
They need to make these movies look better. Does that
mean paying the Rock a little bit less to heighten
the cinematography. Yes, get some real lighting in there for
crying out loud. And when it comes to the Rock,
this is his franchise because if you look at his
top ten highest grossing movies of all time, Jumanji is
(58:23):
his franchise, and number ten Iss and Andreas and number
nine is Fast five, part of The Fast and the
Furious franchise, which is all over his top ten. But
I don't really feel like that is his franchise. He's
not the star of those movies. And number eight is Mawana.
You could argue for that one even though he is
a voice actor there. I feel like if he's not
(58:44):
forward facing, it doesn't count as much because he is
that level of actor that should have his own definitive
movie and definitive franchise. I love animation, but I feel
like he should have something more significant then Malwana, and
that is why he came out and wanted to do
the live action Majana. That did not do well this
(59:06):
year because it's not even in its top ten. And
number seven is Fast and Furious presents Hobbs and Shaw.
I'll give them a little bit more there because his
character name is actually in the title of that movie.
At number six, Fast and Furious six, which is kind
of weird that works out that way. At number five
is Jumanji The Next Level, making eight hundred and one
(59:26):
million dollars at the box office. We're getting up there
to the billions. At number four is Jumanji Welcome to
the Jungle nine hundred and sixty three million dollars. At
number three is Mawana two, which made over a billion dollars.
At number two is The Fate of the Furious making
one point two billion, and at number one in the
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Rock's highest grossing movies of all time, it is Furious seven,
making one point five billion dollars at the box office.
So with this one being the last Jumanji movie, what
is the Rock going to do next, he tried really
hard to sell us with the Smashing Machine, which I enjoyed,
but it wasn't the results he wanted. He didn't get
(01:00:07):
that Oscar nomination, much less the Oscar win. I think
his next dramatic role is another a twenty four movie
called Breakthrough, psychological thriller. I think he plays like a
motivational guru who manipulates a bunch of people. Takes place
in the early two thousands in California, So I still
think he is trying to find that balance of big
(01:00:28):
action franchise that people know me for that I can
make the money on, and then all right, let me
do an a twenty four movie to try to win
myself an Oscar. But I don't know where he goes
after this, because it just feels like everything he touches
eventually implodes and he runs everything dry or straight into
the ground. I really wish it would have worked out
(01:00:50):
with him with Black Adam, and that should have been
a much better movie. I don't really know what is
going on with that character, if it's ever going to
come back, but it does not look like that. But
this will be the final installment in the Jumanji franchise
coming out on December twenty fifth, and that was.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
This week's edition of Movie Mike Trailer Bar.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And that is going to do it for another episode
here of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta
give my listeners shout out of the week. This week,
I'm going over to my Instagram dms and I am
shouting out Zay, who was the first one to send
me a DM asking if I was going to do
a spoiler review a spider Man Brand New Day. Saw
that DM and I was like, I don't know if
(01:01:36):
anybody else wants this, and then I got some other
comments on YouTube and then on TikTok, so I was like, okay,
let me do this. So if you missed that episode
last week, I did a full spoiler discussion with all
my thoughts on spider Man Brand New Day. I did
go see it again on the weekend, but if you
missed that episode, it is just one back in the feed.
(01:01:57):
So appreciate that, Zay. I enjoy it anytime you go
have a suggestion of what you want me to do
or talk about on the podcast. And speaking of Marvel,
last week, the news came out that Kit Connor is
going to be Cyclops. He is officially cast. X Men
is confirmed now fully for a twenty twenty eight release.
(01:02:18):
I am loving X Men ninety seven right now, and
after Brand New Day, I am really excited for this
X Men movie. A lot of people were giving Kit
Connor a lot of crab saying he doesn't look like Cyclops.
Why did we cast him when Patrick Schwarzenegger was right there.
I like the casting. They're leading young with a lot
(01:02:39):
of these characters. They also cast Samaraw Weaving. You might
know if from Ready or Not Part one and Part
two she is going to be Emma Frost. I think
it is giving up to be a very exciting X
Men movie just with these casting announcements, and a way
that I feel about Marvel movies is you do not
necessarily need good actors. I think the sad reality of
(01:03:01):
the MCU when it comes to actors is the character
is always going to be bigger than the person playing them,
and they can act their butt off. But I think
it comes down to the storyline, the action, all the
other characters around that character, the cameos, all these things
that we've been conditioned to want at a Marvel movie's
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it doesn't really matter as much their actual acting abilities.
I actually think their physical abilities and their ability to
convey this character on screen physically is probably more important.
Where I don't hate the Kit Connor as Cyclops, and
I'm not that familiar with his work. I remember him
(01:03:44):
from Warfare, which is a really great war movie that
came out a couple of years ago. He wasn't even
the main character in that movie. But I like the
fact that they're kind of rebuilding with people that you
may not know, because back when Tom Holland was cast
as Spider Man, he was somebody like Kick Connor who
we didn't really know. But I like the fact that
they are younger and we can grow up with these
(01:04:05):
characters and eventually get to a place like look at
Tom Holland now ten years after Homecoming that we genuinely love.
So just by looking at Kick Connor, I don't think
that guy was born to play Sideclops, but I think
we can get there. I am excited for the direction
that the MCU is going. So that is my thoughts
(01:04:27):
on that casting. Thank you Zane for the message, Thank
you all for listening, and until next time, go out
and watch good movies and I will talk to you later,
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie Podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike. Today I am talking to
director Lee Kirk, who is putting out his Green Day
comedy this week called Nimrods. We'll talk about what it's
like to work with Green Day because they are producers
on the movie it is based on their story. In
the movie review, I'll be talking about Super Troopers three,
which the original is one of my favorite cult classic
(00:21):
comedies from the two thousands. Is it good or is
it trash? And in the trailer Park, we'll talk about
Drewmanji Open World, which has a lot of people on
the Internet upset for a very weird reason, but it
is the Internet. People are always upset over there, so
we'll talk about that. Thank you for being here, Thank
you for being subscribed, shout out to the Monday Morning
Movie crew. And now let's talk Movies.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Movie Mikes Movie Podcast about to get into my interview
with writer and director Lee Kirk. He is the filmmaker
behind the new Green Day inspired comedy called Nimrods. It
is in theaters this Friday, August fourteenth, or depending on
when you are listening to this episode, it could be
out now, so if you love music movies, get your
tickets to go see Nimrods. The movie is about three
(01:08):
teenagers who hit the road from Kansas City to Los
Angeles in order to open up for their favorite band,
Green Day. The movie is based on stories of Green
Day's life leading up to their first ever major label debut,
which is Dookie, one of my favorite punk rock albums
of all time. The movie stars Mason Thames, who you
(01:30):
might know from The Black Phone one and two. He
plays a character named Tommy. He was also in that
movie Regretting You, which also starred McKenna Grace, who was
also in this movie. She was also in Ghostbusters Afterlife
and Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. And then you have Jenni Fisher,
who you probably know as Pam from the Office. She
is not only in this movie, but she is also
(01:52):
married to Lee Kirk, So we'll talk about that what
it's like to work with his wife and what it's
like to work with Green Day, because not only do
they start in the movie as them themselves, they are
also producers on the movie, so we'll get into that
how this whole thing came together. And even if you
don't love green Day's music. I think you will listen
to this interview and think, Man, this is a guy
who is an independent filmmaker making a movie that is
(02:14):
really hard to even see the light of day. Because
this is a movie that if it came out when
I was ten, maybe twelve years old, would have been
my next favorite movie because it's just about a band
trying to make it a great coming of age comedy.
So let's get into my interview now with the director
of Nimrod's Lee Kirk. On now a director Lee kirk
(02:35):
who just put out a movie that I feel I
wish I had this movie when I was thirteen years old.
This is like my favorite genre. You have all my
favorite things. You have punk rock, you have a road
trip movie, you have one of the best rock bands
of all time. So thank you for joining the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Dude, Thanks for having me, Mike. This is really exciting.
I'm so glad you love the movie. Man, that means
a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I want to get all into it, but before I do,
I kind of want to get to know you a
little bit because I knew you grew up in Texas.
How did growing up in Texas shape you as a filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's a good question, man. You know, when I was
a kid, I was mostly an actor. Okay, that's really
what I did in high school. But I would say,
you know, summertime, I was at the movies every weekend.
You know, I was seeing movies every weekend. And that time,
they were making movies sort of that were directed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
At me, you know, at teenagers.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That was kind of the thing that was making money
for Hollywood at that time, with the Brat pack and everything.
So yeah, you know, I went to a lot of movies,
and so when I started making Nimrods, I was thinking
back to those films and trying wanted to try to
make a film that felt sort of like those films
that I that I watched when I was a teenager,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And growing up in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, I grew up in walks of Hackey, so
I knew, like that's my hometown as well. And I know,
just like coming from Texas, it kind of feels like
you you're like your own entity because we live in
the South, but it's not really the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
South, that's right. That's right, man, it's its own thing.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Texas is its own thing, man, it's his own personality,
you know, own way of speaking. You can always kind
of tell someone who's from Texas. Yeah, it's it's obviously
been a huge influence growing up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So something that stick out to me about the movie
is where Tommy gets his first four track, where finally
they can record their first demo. This is going to
put them on the map because they can finally have
some recorded music. For you, as a filmmaker, who gave
you your first camera that you were able to make
your own project on.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh that was you know, that was my folks.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know, we had a camp, we had a video camera,
and I still remember the time that when my brothers
and I made a film and we had to edit
in the camera, you know, you'd you'd, you know. So
I remember we did a shot where one of us
was leaving the room and then we went into the
living room and we picked up and you know, and shot.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
My brother coming into the room.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And then we watched it and it worked, you know,
and it was like so exciting because it looked like
we'd actually were making no movie, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So we used to play around with like like that.
In the summer. We had nothing to do in the.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Summer, we would go to the movies and we'd play around,
and we'd go to a place called Photon, which was
like a laser tag place, and we'd play with the
video camera, we ride the bust of them, all that
kind of stuff, And.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
When did you know you wanted to incorporate that in
the movie. Because what I love about it is it
kind of feels timeless in a way because it is
set like right now, but they don't have technology. Obviously
with the band name the Analog Dogs. They have flip phones,
they have the four track recorder. But what I loved
about it is it doesn't have social media in there,
where I always feel like movies that come out right
(05:28):
now geared towards teenagers, or they feature teenagers, they're like,
all right, they're on TikTok, and it just it instantly
dates the movie for me, Like if I go back
in five years, I'm like, oh, that movie feels so
dated to me. So what was the decision of these
guys are not going to have any technology?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So great question.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So early on, when I was tasked with making the
Green Day movie, I started to look at, well, what
you know, who are Green Day fans and realize they've
got fans that are fifty five and fifteen, you know,
And so I wanted to try to make a film
that appeal to all of those people. And one of
the ways I I thought we could do it was
to have our lead singer, Tommy into be into analog
(06:06):
and so I could start to bring in all this
stuff and this texture from the past.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I could bring it into the film.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So Tommy being into analog it men, I could have
a camcorder, right, I could have his brother drives around
in an old cab like it kind of it gave
the movie license to put all that stuff into the
DNA of the film. And it also and like you said,
I didn't want to be dealing with social media. So again,
(06:31):
like Tommy being an analog kid, he's not really into
social media. He's kind of into the way that he
learned his dad would do it, which is driving around
passing out tapes, making flyers, kind of the old school way.
That's kind of what he's into. So it really lent
itself to make this film that, although set in the
present day, how to throw back timeless kind of feel
(06:53):
to it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So how did you meet Billy Joel Armstrong?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So I made a film with him in twenty sixteen
called Ordinary World. And I had written the film. It
was about a dad whose family forgets his fortieth birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He's like an ex rocker guy, and I.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Was confused about which actor I could get for this role.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Never thought I'd get a musician.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And the script was sent to his agent for an
actor and she read it and she said, Hey, I
wrapped Billy Joe Armstrong and he's actually been asking about
maybe doing a little acting. What do you want to
meet with him? And I was like, absolutely, that's so
outside the box. I hadn't even thought about that. And
then he read it and he was into it, and
so we ended up working together on it for almost
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a year. We would rehearse together, we'd kind of work
on the character, make it feel very comfortable for him,
and they ended up writing music for it, and one
of the songs he wrote was Ordinary World. Originally the
movie is called Geezer, but when he wrote Ordinary World,
I was like, well, we have to have that in
the movie, and then I'm going to change the title
to Ordinary World. And so then he put up that
song on Revolution Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But anyway, we stayed in touch.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We stayed in touch and when it became time, you know,
a few years ago, he decided he wanted to do
a Greendee movie and he reached.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Out, and of course I was. I was so psyched
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So how did that start from the beginning? Because I
think a lot of people are gonna think, why is
it not a traditional biopick, like it's it's their story,
but done through different characters? So how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Originally, the idea that Billy Joe reached out to to
me about was a New Year's Eve movie a band,
A movie about a bunch of kids going to see
Green Day on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That was all he had.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So we started talking about, well, what could the story
be and who could these kids be? And we came
up with this idea of these kids who are driving
across the country, who are in a punk band, them Cells,
and they're driving across to see their heroes and you know,
for various reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I won't give away why they're driving.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Across the country, but all is not as it seems,
I'll say that, but then you know then, so then
I had to write the movie and I realized, okay,
I need a bunch of fun, crazy stuff to happen
to these kids.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now, I could either invent that stuff, or I can.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just go to the soores Billy, Joe, Mike, and Trey,
and I can ask the guys tell.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Me some crazy stories of your days on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
So they did, and then I took those stories and
I sort of reformatted them, twisted them around whatever I
needed to do to kind of fit them into my story.
And so as I was doing that, I realized, well,
I can do that with all sorts of Green Day stuff.
I can do it with just like little details like
like in the movie the kids drive around in an
ice cream truck. Green Day famously drove around an old bookmobile,
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and so that was kind of my way of paying
homage to that. But also are some personal things about
the characters too that I sort of us from Mike
and Billy Joe and Trey and put those into the film.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And so it became this way of telling.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Their story that is not, you know, a straight bio pick.
I mean, these characters aren't supposed to be Billy, Joe, Mike,
and Trey. But Trey recently I just saw him and
he said he called it historical fiction, which I thought
was actually a good way to talk about it. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you mentioned the stories there and some of the
little details you put into the movie, which I think
as punk rock fans, I grew up loving punk rock,
Green Day obviously being one of my favorite, and we
are so particular about the little details, We're gonna call
you out no matter what. But what I noticed about
the movie, it gets those little details right coming down
to like Tommy's room, Like the posters on the wall,
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they matched, like what he would be listening to. You
had the Bikini Kill, you have the Misfits poster. What
were those little details that you put into the movie
knowing like, Okay, people are gonna pick up on this stuff,
but also Joe, what these characters are like and what
they listened to.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Sure, yeah, well, hey man, I'm so glad you said that,
because authenticity was like the driving force for me on
this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I wanted to feel real. I wanted to feel authentic.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I wanted people like yourself who see it to feel
like they recognize the world, you know. So, so yeah,
a lot of thought went into what these kids wear,
you know, what they talk about, what they listened to,
and then especially in the movie, they end up going
to this kind of punk, punk house kind of place
called The Whole, and I really wanted that to feel real.
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I wanted to you know, and I've been to places
like that, and I wanted to feel authentic and real.
And then we got you know, we got The Paradox,
which is an up and coming really great you know,
I lothing great. They're so great, and so we got
them to be in it, and that just added even
more street cred to the movie, you know. But that
was essential, you know, it was essential that we really
told an authentic story and that you know, and it
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felt it felt like it was a mirror to people
like yourself or young people who are into punk, punk rock,
and it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Felt like it was real.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I do want to talk about that scene without giving
away too much, because the scene at the Whole is
my favorite scene because there are a lot of small,
little Green Day details in there, and I feel like
that was kind of an homage to Woodstock ninety four.
Is that what that was?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
As it was?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes see, that's that's a perfect example of like taking
a little piece of the Green Day lore and kind
of using it for the film. So I put you know,
I kind of use that and put it. I couldn't
do the movie without having that that scene in there.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So is that one of the stories When you sat
down with them and they told you about what did
they tell you about that?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, they just told me how insane it was,
you know, And they just told me how they were
eating dirt, they had, you know, flying at them and
it was completely insane. And how also it just really
changed things for them. They suddenly, you know, it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Put them onto another stratosphere. I think everybody had seen that.
Everybody knew them from that, and and how endearing they
were and how cool they were up there just you know,
in the mud throwing the mud, you know, in the
insanity of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think something that people wonder about is what does
a producer do? And green Day are producers on this movie.
What was their role in maybe some of those details
or there aside from them being in the movie, Like
what role does a producer play when it's somebody like
green Day?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So essentially they were they were sort of my guidepost, right.
So I wrote the film, I gave it to Billy Joe.
It's kind of started with Billy Joe and I, so
we were kind of like working on the story a
little bit together, and I was of course talking to
Mike and Tray about it and stuff, but it was
kind of Billy Joe was the first one I sent
the script. He read the script. I had a couple suggestions.
I did another rewrite, and then he was like, you
know what we should do?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He liked you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So after the second rewrite, we were both like, we
like this, this is essentially the film. And he said,
rather than me give the script to Mike and Trey,
why don't we just do a reading of it. Let's
just let just do a reading and then they could
hear it. I think I think it might be more
effective that way. So we put together a whole reading
and I got a bunch of great actors and we
just read the script and it was a chance for
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them to hear it for the first time and really
understand what we were trying to do, as well as
their whole team, and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And they just got on board.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And then from there on in it was just you know,
occasionally I'd reach out. I'd be like, hey, guys, I
got a question, or I want to I want to
talk about a detail in the movie.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What's funny is when we started shooting the movie, they
had gone on.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Their their tour for the Saviors tour, so they they
were out on the road and they were they were busy.
So I would send them little daily stuff from time
to time just because I was.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Excited about it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I wanted to see it, and they would say, they
were saying, keep going, man, we're loving this.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
We're loving what we're seeing, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And and so I just kept making the film and
until finally, you know, I wanted to show them the movie.
I'd shown it to a few people, I'd gotten good feedback.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I was like, guys, it's time for you to see it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I flew to London with the film and my producer,
Tim Perell, and we sat down in the screening room
in London and I screened the movie for him, you know,
talking about nervous. I'm like, yeah, And at the end
they just said, dude, we love it, man, we f
and love it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's great. No notes, no notes for me, Wow, no notes.
Can you believe that?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I figured at least a song They would say, like,
don't use this song or whatever. They have a single one,
it was like we love it, let's go and and
I mean that was that was a hell of a
night for me in London.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That sounds incredibly rare to not have any notes when
it's so like that's like their baby, Like that's their story,
so your story.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
When it came to the music, how did you decide
what songs to include? Because obviously, I feel like Green
Day has all these different era There's the nineties era
where they exploded. There's this two thousands era, which is
kind of when I got into Green Day. So if
you look at my favorite Green Day song, it's like
in the two thousands then they had like this re
emergence and even now they're just keep getting bigger and bigger.
So how did you decide what songs to include in
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the movie?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I so Originally, when I started writing, I realized, Okay,
I've got all the whole catalog to choose from, so
I'm gonna listen to everything and make sure I've heard
every song.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And then I just it became a thing a task
of two things.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
First of all, picking songs that fit into piece story
points in the film, you know, and I wanted to
find ways to use the music that aren't just needle drops,
but are Sometimes the songs are sung in the movie.
Sometimes they're used as score, sometimes they're just background music,
you know. So I wanted to find all these kind
of creative ways to use it. And then I wanted
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to use songs that kind of like span their career
but also span the sort of the incredible variety of
songs that they write. So some hits, some deep cuts,
you know, some hidden gems, like all sorts of different
types of songs in there. And probably when I shot
the movie, I think like probably eighty percent of the
songs that are in the film were already in my head.
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In the film, and and then in the editing room,
there was a few changes that I made because I
just realized that one song might work better, But but
it was almost pretty much in my head. What I
shot was the songs that were in the movie.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Music's not cheap. How do you get all these songs
in there?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I mean, right, that's we So that was an incredible
deal with Warner Music, who owns most of their songs.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, now Green.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Day, I think their last couple of records have been
their own they're out of the Warner deal. But Warner
Music was so incredible to us. They were excited about
the movie. You know, they wanted this movie to be
out there. They wanted you know, the the new fans,
but possible to hear the songs, and so they were
just very helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They were helpful, and they made.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It very easy for us to use all all this
all this music, and I'm so grateful to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So did you say you listen to every single Green
Day song that exists?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Everyone I could find. Yeah, I mean I had to,
you know, It's like I had to. I had to
make sure I had the gamut.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean there's even there's a there's a demo for
a song called in the End that I ended up
putting it into the film that I listened to that
just felt right for that moment and the story kind
of around the time when the boys are recording their demo,
I thought, I will put a Green Day demo in there.
So yeah, I listened to as much as I could.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know, so you're the perfect person to ask your
top five Green Day songs of all time?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, it's got for Number one is definitely Jesus Suburbia,
Okay for sure, right number one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Then I would say, I would say that's number one.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I would say the song I just said in the
end is up there, basket Case. I can't go without
that song classic Wake Me Up, Wake Me Up in
September ends as far and I'm gonna throw a deep
cut in there. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say something
off Insomniac, which I've used in the movie Bab's Uvula.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Who There's a deep cut that is a strong five man.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So aside from music, what is an unexpected expense in
movies that is more expensive than people think They're just like,
I can't believe that cost, Like we're making a movie.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, Well, the concert we shot at the Palladium ended
up being quite expensive. We shot that at the very
end of the film, and things were going so well
that when I said maybe we might need to get
a crane in there for this shot. Luckily the money
was there, you know, because everyone was excited about how
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things were going. But that became so originally when Billy
Joe and I started talking about the movie, he said, dude,
what we'll do at the end, We'll just have a
concert of the Palladium and we'll shoot it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And that sounds so simple, but of course that's a
lot harder to do. And so what we did is
we got.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Two thousand extras Green Day fans to come into the
Palladium and be there all day, and then we had
four cameras going, and of course we had Green Day's
entire sound team there to make sure it sounded correctly.
We had our sound team there to record it. Of
course we had all our ama and our lights, but
we had also the concert lighting to deal with as well.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So it just became a bigger and bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And I remember the morning when I pulled up to
the Palladium to show up to work, the amount of
trucks that were out there. It was all of a sudden,
we felt like we were a big studio film because
the entire parking lot of the Palladium was was semi trucks,
you know, and so that became quite expensive. But the
cool thing about having all those two thousand Green Day
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fans is that it was a green Day concert and
you feel that in the movie because they're all singing
and they're all going crazy, you know, and it's it's
just authentic. It goes back to the authenticity that I
worked so hard to try to achieve in the film.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
That was my other point on that concert scene is
I saw Greeney for the first time a couple of
years ago. I'd been a fan for so long, but
that was my first time seeing them live, and I
saw in the movie all the things I experienced at
the concert, like how Billie Joe pumps up the crowd,
inviting someone up to play guitar, you had the bunny
out there, all those elements that I saw live. I'm
like they featured of all in the movie. What is
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harder directing a musician to be an actor or directing
an actor to be a musician, because you have both
here in this movie.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, that's a really good question. You know, they both
have their challenges. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Luckily on this film, everyone was was great and flexible,
so I didn't really you know, it's one thing when
you're fighting an ego, but there was no egos on
this film, which was which was a tremendous you know thing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Here's here's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know, confidence is everything when it comes to performing.
So for me as a director, what I try to
do is instill confidence. So if it's if it's an
actor playing a musician, I just want them to feel confident.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
To be free and go for it, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And same with if it's a musician who's acting, I
want them to get out of their own way. Don't
get in your head, be yourself, put it in your
own words, do it, you know, say say however you
want to say it, anything to free them up so
they're not thinking about their performance, you know. I think
that's kind of the essential point. I mean, you've got
Billy Joe who's so charismatic. He is a former already,
so just to direct him as an actor, it's just
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like tweaking those that charisma a little bit, you know.
And same goes for you know, Mason Thames playing playing
you know, singing and playing guitar.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, he's such a great actor. What's surprised you
the most about working with him his.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Depth, His his depth.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
He he you know, he's a young kid, but he's
got real understanding, he's got a real emotional maturity, and
so he brought such colors to the role and he
had great ideas and just a total pro man, just
like a great, great person to work with, and it's
just a great person, you know, showed up every day
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on time.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
All my actors did this.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, I said to them early on before when
we rehearsed, I said, just just.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know your lines. That's all I ask at you.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Just show up knowing your lines because if you know
your lines, we can play with it, we can do
all kinds of fun stuff with it. And they all
showed up so totally prepared, and a lot of this
sort of spontaneity feeling that you get in.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The film from these from those kids is is.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
The fact that they were so prepared that then they
could just let loose and trust each other that they're
going to pick up the you know, they're gonna know
what the next line is.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
They're gonna trust each other.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You know, they're gonna know what's next, and that kind
of that kind of you know, spontaneity is like it's
what breathes life into into a film for me, you know,
So it was really important to have that with those kids.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then how is it working with your wife? How
do you direct her?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, Luckily, we have a really good working relationship.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
We've we've worked together a few times and and for
this movie, man, it was just really just just you know,
first of all, I'll say this, she had so she
had gone through a breast cancer treatment. Uh before we
shot the movie. Three weeks before we started shooting, she
had finished her treatment. So so all of that experience
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was in her, All of that traumatic, difficult experience was
in her.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And she just brought all that to the surface in
this role.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know, her role really is, to me, sort of
the heart of the film, part of the story of
the movie as a family kind of going.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Through a crisis.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And I was I was just so in love with
what she was doing and what she brought to it. And
it's a role that you don't really think, you know,
you wouldn't really see her play. It's it's far from Pam,
you know. So in terms of your question, I mean,
I just let her do her thing, you know, and
maybe I would just say, oh, before you say that line,
take a breath or something. There was no notes needed
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to give in terms of performance because she just brought
so much emotional energy to it, you know, and also
motherly energy, you know, in a really fun way.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I love your approach to directing. It seems very like
let things happen, kind of laid back, but when something
goes wrong, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I like to prepare, prepare, prepare, and then on the day,
let's have fun.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Let's you know, let's let's figure it out. So sometimes
that does happen. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
My strategy of how we're going to do a scene, Okay,
the camera's going to be here, you guys come in
over here, head over there, sit down, you know, maybe
you go open up that book and whatever the blocking
is that I had in my head, and you set
it all up and you go, okay, let's do a rehearsal.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Let's just see it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And you look at it and it's a disaster and
it just doesn't work. But if everyone's prepared, then you
can say, let's reimagine this thing. Let's put the camera
over here. When do you guys already be in the.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Room, and we'll have you start in the room already
and see what that does.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And if everyone's game and they know what they're doing,
it's very easy to pivot, you know, it's very easy
to be flexible. So I just you know, stress like,
let's all just be ready to go it's be prepared,
know what we're doing, because then you can really have
fun and you can feel like you're making it up
right in the moment, even though it's all scripted, you know,
you can feel like it's got the spontaneity to it.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
What was it like working with mckinnigrace.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I mean, what a gem? What a gem.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
So when I cast her, so it's a funny, cool
thing about her is she is a musician.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She writes incredible pop songs. And so when I a
rock song, pop rock songs.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
When I ca asked her that role, wasn't a musician,
but she was so into doing the role. And I
had a meeting with her and she told me how
she loves Green Day and she's got these songs and stuff.
I said, send me your songs. I want to hear these,
you know, And so she sent me the songs and
I was like, I'm rewriting this part.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm gonna make her a musician so that.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That part of that character is her thumb print all
over it, you know. And again like Mason, total pro,
totally you know, shows up, ready to go, happy, fun
to work with, exciting, you know, just just a gem,
just a wonderful, wonderful person and very talented.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, her character is great in the movie. At the
time of recording this right now, you guys just did
a thing at Comic Con. What was that like like,
because you're at that point now where people are starting
to experience a movie, which is it's different when getting
feedback because musicians, they put out a song, they know
instantly if somebody likes it or not. With the movie,
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it's a little bit more of a slow role as
people start to see it and experience it. So now
you're out starting to promote the movie. Talk about the movie.
What are you feeling right now going into the release.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I'm thrilled.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm thrilled, you know, because I feel like, like, at
the end of the day, this is an independent film,
you know, but I feel like we the word is
getting out, you know, because we have this kind of
green day machine that just works, especially when you do
something like we did at Comic Con where that we
you know, we had this ice cream truck.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They had nimrods painted all over it. It's a replica
up the truck we used in the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Billy Joe got on the roof and saying you know,
a couple of songs and we handed ice cream, and
I gotta say, Man, to be around those three is electric.
It's just electric. They just they have an incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Vibe about them. They're super great guys.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First of all, there's really great guys and just fun
and easily you know, accessible and cool and fun to
talk to. But when you go out in public like that,
just to be a witness to it was fun, you know.
I mean, I felt like Tommy in the movie was like,
oh man, I'm on the other side of the the
you know what I mean. Here I am on the
other side of the curtain seeing all this magic that
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these guys, you know, bring, this electricity that they bring,
and and it's fun, and you know, there's some other
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Planned and and but I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Just so grateful that they loved the movie so much
and they're so excited to go out and promote it
like this.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You talked about how it's cool to like be around
them and their presence. I imagine doing what you do,
you get to be around a lot of cool people.
What is the coolest room you've ever been in? Where
you thought, Man, these people are so famous. Why am
I in this room with all these people.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Oh that is a really good question.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'll tell you my story and I'll give you a
chance to think that. One time, our mutual friend Bobby,
I was with him in Washington, d C. And he
was honoring Riba at the Kennedy Center Honors and I
just went with him. We were living together at the time,
traveling around the country, and I was just trying to
find a bathroom and I was like, where's the bathroom
in this place? And somebody's like, you got to go
down in elevator. It's like, all right. I go on
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the elevator and it opens up and I see the
entire cast of Hamilton and I see Linn Manuel Miranda,
he looks dead out cash I walk in and I'm
just sitting there and I'm not even in nice. Everybody
else is like in suits, they all look nice, and
I am in like joggers and like a leather jacket
and a T shirt. And I'm sitting here with the
entire cast of Hamilton going down the elevator. And I thought, man,
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I should not be here right now. These people are
way too famous. But that was my I should not
be in this room moment. What is yours?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So an incredible thing?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Is like when Jen and I first started dating and
we kind of got serious, we went to New York
together and we went to Saturday Night Live, okay, and
we got to go with you know, we got to
go in and sit in like the VIP seats or
whatever they are, and watch Saturday Night Live, which was
also was just just tripping.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Itself and very cool, very exciting.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But then after when we left, it was like, uh,
Fred Armison and I think, you know, Kristen Wig or I.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Don't remember who exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
All we all piled into an suv to go to
the after party, and I just remember riding in that
suv through New York City, you know, on this high
I'm with these supremely funny, funny people and I'm thinking,
how did I get here?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know what I mean, how how am I sitting
in this suv right now? This is this is so
crazy right now to be in this, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And then we get to them and we go to
this incredible party and there's even more like funny, amazing
people there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, for me, just going to New York City's
like crazy to me even still, like the first time
I walked to the Times Square, I was like, this,
this blows my mind. Like I grew up in a
trailer park. I've never seen this many people before.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It is a crazy place. Man, I love that city.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
A couple more questions for you. One of the things
I loved in the movie was there are moments where
it's like expectations versus reality, Like what meeting green Day
is like in your head as a teenager and what
it's actually like, or what backstage is like? Is what
it's actually like? When you included that in the movie,
was that a part of like just showing people that
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maybe those things aren't as glamorous as we all think,
like backstage is in some magical place.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I mean there's a little bit of that, you know,
there's a little bit of that in the in the
world of you know, when you kind of do are
able to peep behind the curtain, it's like, oh, it's
just just people, you know, doing doing their thing, you know,
with the same kind of problems I have or whatever.
You know, it's it's it's less glamorous than than.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
You might think it is. So I think there was
a little bit of that, But but I also want
to you know.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
What was what was fun for me in this movie
was I did want to capture that feeling of like
when you go to a concert and the anticipation of
seeing your favorite band, you know, walk out on stage,
and how that feels and.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How it does feel larger than life, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I I just remember, you know, as a kid when
I would go to a concert. I remember I went
to like a Bruce Springsteen concert at a reunion arena.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh yeah, I remember that. Not there anymore else.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Reference yeah, and just sitting in the in the crowd
and you're just like it was kind of my first
bigger concert, and just the anticipation of like, oh, something's
gonna happen. And then you see kind of the shadow
of Bruce Springsteen come out. It's like that's that's the
boss right there, He's coming out, you know. And so
I wanted I did that same thing in this film.
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Like there's a moment where like the lights go down
and you see the silhouettes of the Green Day walk
across the stage and just kind of that feeling of like, oh, oh,
there it is, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But then also we go backstage and.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We see the craziness, you know, or the simplicity sometimes
of what it's like.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I think that's the top five feeling in life. Whenever
you see your favorite band come out for the first
like that. I just want to bottle up that emotion.
Just the first minute that they're on stage. I think
that's the best moment of any concert.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Man, It's so special because you're you're looking, You're like,
they're here. I'm in the room with them, and they're
gonna play songs for me.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know. It's such a great feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Let's hope these hundreds of dollars I paid for these
tickets really pay.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Off exactly, exactly, man.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
My final question for you. The movie comes out on
August fourteenth. I hope everybody goes to see this movie.
I always like to give people here is this scene
to look for, So when people are going to watching Nimrods,
what is that one scene that you're the proudest of.
Maybe in the moment of shooting you're like, ah, we
got it, Like that's the that's the shot. What is
that moment that people should look for that you're the
proudest of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Okay, a scene early on that I knew I wanted
to have I'll just say the song that plays is
the song is wake Me Up when September ends.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know the scene, that's the song, that's the moment
they was there ever.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Anything too crazy that they told you that? You're like,
I would love to have that in the movie, but
maybe it's a little bit too crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
No, they didn't get nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Nothing too nuts, man, But you know they've probably it
was too crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Maybe they wouldn't have told.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Me, you know, didn't want to him to know that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, exactly, he might use it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, this has been awesome, Lee. Again, Bobby speaks so
highly of you. He was like, plea, he's the best person.
You got to have him on your podcast. He said,
if you were here right now, you'd hug your neck.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Man. That means so much to me. Bobby is such
a great guy. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I met him on a weekend golf trip and he's
like this, you know, as you know, he's a guy
with such charisma and heart you feel like it's just
my best friend, you know what I mean, Like, this
guy is so good and we haven't even talked in
a while, but being back in communication with him, it's
like it's like it never ended, you know, so like, yeah,
give him that hug, Give Hi the hug back for
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may too.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'll pass the lee. I hope this movie just meets
all your expectations. I hope everybody goes and feels what
I did of remembering movies from like my coming of
age years, where I was just wanting something about a
band just trying to make it, trying to find their shot.
I feel like these movies don't happen that much anymore.
(33:58):
So I think when when it does come along, we
need to go support him.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Thank you, Mike. I really appreciate it. Man, Thanks for
talking to me. Thanks for talking about the movie. It
means so much to me.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Man, Thank you, Thank you so and.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Thanks for calling out the trail of my friend sent
me He's like, dude, this guy Mike listen to so
now I subscribe. And by the way, I want to
tell you, I I also listen to the headphones and
watch watch the movie at home.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's the best way way to do it. I love
all the saday That's how I watched this movie.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is that right y?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I love having the headphones because I feel like like
it just pans a little bit better, especially with them.
I love horror movies that way, but music movies as well,
because I just feel like it's a little bit more immersive.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's a far better experience.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I put on my air pods and I just connect
to my Apple TV and I watch it on my
big screen, and it's like it's it's I think it's
why whenever I watch a movie on Airplanet, I seem
to enjoy them more.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's where it came from, you know, from traveling so much.
I always have my iPad with me and I've always
like listen, you know, I watch a movie on every flight,
and then I just felt like, I don't I have
this experience at home because I love it so much more.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah. Man, that's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
This is big. Thank Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. I appreciate it too, man.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Thank you, all right, talk to you later later, buddy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Twenty twenty six, Today we lay to rest the Ranchi comedy.
Let's get into a spoiler free movie review of Super
Troopers three. This one hurts because the original movie is
one of my favorite comedies from the two thousands. This
is one of those movies that just kind of existed.
I don't remember anybody going to see this movie in theaters.
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I don't even remember anybody renting or actually buying this movie.
It is just a VHS tape or a DVD that
traveled around among a group of teenagers throughout the two thousands.
It was that movie. It was hilarious. It was a reverend.
And now here we are in twenty twenty six, all
the guys are beat doing the exact same thing what
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this movie is about. You have Farva, who is now
trying to date and marry Thorny's sister. Thorny doesn't want
anything to do with it because Farva is the most
annoying character of all the time. He is trying to
stop this wedding from happening by proving to his sister
how much of an idiot and a buffoon and a
scam artist step Farva is. And what he tries to
(36:25):
do is he formulates a plan on how to get
his parents to call off this wedding. And then mixed
in there you have this drug ring from Canada that
they're kind of trying to figure out. But it just
kind of feels all crammed in there. Why I feel
this is the death of comedy and the issue I've
had with comedies recently is they don't even try. But
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unfortunately that's not the case here with Super Troopers three.
I actually think they made the movie they wanted to make.
The actual filmmaking in this movie is there. You have
actually a lot of things happening throughout the movie where
they are putting in a lot of attempts at comedy.
The problem is with Super Troopers three, it's just not
(37:08):
funny anymore. It kind of feels like going back to
your hometown to hang out with one of your funniest
friends from high school that you partied with, that you
have all these great memories with, you have quotes and
inside jokes, and then you go back as an adult
in twenty twenty six to go hang out with them
again and they're kind of still just doing the same thing.
And it's nothing wrong on their behalf. They set out
(37:29):
to have the life they wanted, But you, as an
adult now just don't find those same things funny, even
though they haven't changed. Unfortunately, you have just gotten older
and do not find the exact same things funny. That
is what I felt with super Troopers three, where I
do believe all these guys, the Broken Lizard guys, are
funny guys. I think their brand of comedy has really
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aged poorly by the time we got the super Troopers three.
They actually have a very unique problem because I think
the idea alone of a suit super Troopers three or
a super Troopers four, of just making a sequel of
the movie we all love, is better than the actual
product could ever be, because I think these characters have
taken on a life of their own that we love
(38:13):
the idea of Farva in Thorny, but investing our time
in watching the story that they decide to make just
isn't there. And I don't think it's on them. And
the major problem is they have put themselves in this
box that a super Troopers movie can operate in, and
they can't really veer off too much because then it
becomes something else. So you're gonna get a lot of
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odes to those same quotes, like the right now, you
can't pull over any farther the mustache rise. You have
to include that in to give it the DNA of
a Supertroopers movie. But if they were to venture off
to make this something completely different. It wouldn't feel like
that product that we all know and love. Therefore, there
is only this small little box that they can operate in.
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So what do they decide to do in this third installment. Well,
let's look at one of the most popular characters from
the Super Troopers. It's Farva. And why this movie doesn't
work like it did in that first movie is because
they put Farva as the star of it. It is
all about him getting married, all of his funny antics
that were really just a smaller piece of that first movie,
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him going to the fast food restaurant asking for the
leader o Coola, give me a double bacon cheeseburger. All
those things that we know and love him for in
that original movie are now the focal point of Super
Troopers three. And it is what I'm calling the Minions effect,
where you love the Minions in small doses indespicable me
(39:43):
but if you go watch a full out Minions movie,
it just doesn't quite hit the same. It would be
like if they decided to make a Seinfeld movie and
focus primarily on Kramer, which Kramer is really only great
in small bursts of energy. He busts through the door,
he says some crazy outlanders thing, and then he is gone.
But if you had that all the time, it would
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feel like chaos. It would lose his effect. That is
how I feel about Farva. He needs to be more
of a Kramer character, where he's there sprinkled in. When
he's in the movie, he is dominating the scene. He
comes in, says something funny, and then he's gone. The
problem is he stays there the entire time, and after
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about thirty minutes, which I think is being generous, it
just gets repentitive and you know exactly where it's going.
From the very beginning. It was very predictable. And I
know what you're saying, like, you shouldn't go into this
movie wanting to expect something great. You should know it's
gonna be predictable fun It's gonna be jokes about male
body parts. It's gonna be fart jokes. It's gonna be
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all those things that you found funny when you were
thirteen or fourteen years old when you watch the original.
And I think I just wanted the level of comedy
to mature a little bit, not even mature in the
sense of make a little bit more of a dignified joke,
but it kind of just felt like a lot of
dad humor at this point where a lot of the
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things that the super Troopers are dealing with is the
world changing around them and why everything is so weird now,
the idea of an all electric patrol car being the
craziest thing ever, The idea of their gen Z rookie
ordering everything on door dash is the craziest thing ever.
And everything has to be old school, it has to
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be manual transmissioned, it has to be gas. Anything else
is weird and we don't want any part in that.
I just feel like that mentality made this movie not
for me. I didn't find those elements of the story funny.
It's also oddly racially charged, where there's one character they
give a hard time of accusing him kind of a
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being racist, and he does things that are a little
bit questionable and they're just ribbing him on it, and
although the movie doesn't really make any offensive joke, it's
kind of just poking fun at somebody who's trying not
to be racist and then accusing them of being racist.
That entire character dynamic just felt really weird, and I
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don't know why they decided that's going to be the
thing that makes people laugh. And I know that is
an issue that a lot of comedies have right now,
is can you even make jokes without getting canceled? Is
everybody too sensitive? And I don't think that is the
case here. It's not that I was offended by what
the character was saying. It just felt really weird that
that is the story they wanted to tell. Those are
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the types of gags that they wanted to include because
this is something I feel their fan base, who is
very passionate. I am a part of that fan base,
was itching for another movie. I was very excited for this.
I didn't go into it as skeptical as I sound now,
but it just feels like you're making that movie that
is a part of your flagship title, and that is
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the road you decided to go down. That felt very weird.
It really felt more like an SNL sketch that went
on too long. And you even have Andrew Dysmuke's in
there as their rookie, who is a cast member of SNEL.
He had a lot of other random cameos there. I
was surprised they got Brian coxback, who is now writing
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off of his succession fame, but he was in the
original and I think without him it would have felt
a little bit empty, And I think it does add
a lot of credibility to the movie, although I thought
his character was a little bit wasted because he was
so funny in the original movie. I think the problem
here is in Super Troopers one, it's more believable that
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even though they are doing ridiculous things like chugging entire
bottles of maple syrup messing with everybody, that they pull
over the story in the first one, and their actions
feel more believable. It's not way over the top, it
is just over the top enough. In Super Troopers three,
it feels way more cartoonish, where Farva is doing things
(43:58):
that are so outra and people are acting like it's normal.
It just doesn't really make sense because all the reactions
don't feel like they do in the first movie. It
feels like somebody reacting to bugs Bunny more so than
an actual human being. So therefore it kind of breaks
the illusion of this being able to be a story
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that could actually exist in the real world, and therefore
just kind of felt like it was a bit of
a waste of my time. I honestly think they should
have made beer Fest two before they made Super Tube
Verst three. I think there were at times in this
movie where I saw them drinking beer and I thought,
oh man, I would so much rather see a sequel
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to that movie. I think because they are older now,
that story probably makes more sense. It is more believable
to me that these could be guys who go and
chuck some beers and win a competition than just be
these big idiots who still somehow have these jobs. So
for Super Troopers three, Ugh, this hurts me. I give
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it two out of five car Ramrods.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's time to head down to movie. My trailer parr.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Jumanji Open World is coming out on December twenty fifth.
This is going to close out the Jumanji franchise, and
to that, I say good riddance. For as much as
people love these movies, it is just not the Jumanji
of my childhood. I am about to sound like the
biggest boomer of all time, But Robin Williams in Jumanji,
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that's my Jumanji. It was so magical. I love that
movie as a kid, and after watching this trailer, I
have a little bit more hope than the last one.
But it just feels like The Rock is lily padding
to all of his franchises and just letting them sink
one by one. It wasn't enough for him to take
out Mawana this year. He is now holding on for
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dear life to a franchise that is I would say
his most successful franchise, because I don't really count the
Fast and the Furious franchise. He stars in those, but
he's not the star of those. That's been Diesel. That's
probably why the two of them have so much beef.
But this is going to be the last Jumanji movie.
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The Rock is back, Kevin Hart is back, Jack Black
is back. Karen Gill on his back, which I wonder
about how she feels when it comes to fame because
she is Nebula in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies
and the Avengers movies, and she is a very successful actor,
but without that Nebula makeup, I think some people do
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not realize that is her in these movies. So we'll
get into all that. I will break down what the
Rock's top ten most successful movies are and see where
he really ranks as an actor. I'm not trying to
sound like the biggest rock hater of all time, but
he just makes it so easy at this point, as
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I just don't understand his decisions. My big question that
I want to bring to you on this trailer park
is why everybody is mad in the comments of this
YouTube video for this trailer. They are letting Sony have
it and it has nothing to do with the movie,
which is always an interesting thing when you put out
a trailer and you expect all this reaction, which I
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think is kind of what they want from the Jumanji
franchise somehow they want like a Marvel at least the
DC level excitement. But if you go into the comments,
you see everybody complaining about one thing that is so
specific that nobody's even talking about the details of this movie,
the plotlin of the movie, which it's about the open
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world video game concept, which I enjoy games like Grand
Theft Auto, which I believe is the best open world game.
They are essentially games where you can wander around and
do anything that you want. It goes on forever and
ever and ever, which was crazy to me when I
first was introduced to that as a kid. That's the
thing that gosh, I'm gonna sound so old in this episode,
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but kids do not realize that games you should just
end at a certain point where you would walk so
far and then your character would just be walking up
against the wall, not being able to go anywhere else,
or some random hand would grab you and put you
back into the playing area. It wasn't like it is now,
or it just goes on forever and ever and never.
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But that is what this movie is exploring, because now
the characters in the video game are in the real world,
but they're still acting like video games and they're moving
around very weirdly. So we'll get into all that, but
before I do, here is just a little bit of
the Jumanji Open World trailer. Push out, Mom, that's it, honey, Mom,
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I'm right here. Excuse me? Yeah, sorry?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
What am I dreaming? Kana?
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I am denotists me?
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Janis you look so different with muscles and penis and
no hair.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh I'm okay, nor who's Tyson Antison? Except I'm a
black grown up. So the trailer actually looks a lot
more fun than I was expecting. What happens in the
movie is that the video game breaks free of the console.
It unleashes the jungle chaos into the real world. So
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you were seeing Kevin Hart, the rock Jack Black all
in the real world, except they're acting funny because they
are set to demo mode where they are acting like
their characters would act if they were actually inside the
video game. So then what you heard in that trailer
is the humans going into the video game taking hold
of their bodies. So you have Kevin Hart actually playing
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the real world humans. So it's kind of like Freaky
Friday mixed with a little bit of Jumanji. I do
enjoy that they still have the element of the story
whenever they get sucked into the the game. Back in
the original it was the board game, which that scene
how that movie started freaked me out as a kid,
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And I remember actually seeing the Jumanji board game at
Walmart and I thought, oh man, I'm never getting that
because it blew my mind the first time I saw
that gets put into the game where he rolls and
he just starts disappearing into the game and he is
gone forever. You still see that here in this trailer,
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So that's a little bit of nostalgia there. I think
it's fun when you see them in demo mode. In
the real world, you see Jack Black get hit by
a car. They all think he's dead, and then he
respawns and he's just another character. So there are those
elements of the video game that are fun. But let's
get into now why everybody's mad in the YouTube comment.
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Sony announced recently that they are going to stop producing
physical game discs for all new PlayStation titles starting on
January twenty twenty eight. And this is a movie. You
see their logo at the beginning of this trailer, and
this is a movie about a video game that when
this franchise first started, not with the Robin Williams one,
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when this iteration started, there was a physical game console
and a physical game, and that was the whole way
they updated the story. It went from being a board
game to being a physical game that is discovered. But
now Sony is out here getting rid of physical games,
therefore kind of killing what would be a plotline in
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this movie. And how I feel about this. I love
physical media when it comes to music. I love being
able to collect records because it is something physical that
you can hold. The artwork is bigger to me when
it comes to listening to records. It is a little
bit more of a task to have to put it
on a record put the need on, but it has
this level of warmth to it. And growing up, obviously
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I went from not really ever having tapes. I did
have see that was my primary way of listening to music.
I didn't really revolt whenever MP three's came around. I
embraced it.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I don't have to carry around this big binder anymore.
I can just have everything on my iPod or MP
three player or whatever. But when it comes to games,
I just feel it's a little bit different because to me,
there is something about owning a physical game, because I
think we consume those things differently. They are also more expensive.
The thing to me about video games is the ability
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to share them. I would not be where I am
today if I was not able to borrow video games
growing up. I think that is a big part of it,
having a physical disc that you can lend to your friend.
But not only that, being able to sell your video games,
which was something I did a lot growing up. I'd
get a video game, I'd beat it. I'd go sell
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it at a game stop or sell it at the
pawn shop, and there's something to be able to actually
own your games and not just have them digitally. I
do understand how it is so much easier now, doesn't
take up any space in your house to just download
a game. You just have it there in your library.
But when you think about it, you don't really own that.
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And Sony or whoever it is, even when it comes
to movies, they can take that away at any time.
They can decide, you know what, you don't own that anymore.
We're gonna take that away, and you actually have to
pay us to own all of your games. That's it.
We can decide that title no longer belongs to you.
It is just out of your library. We're gonna reset
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it and now you have to purchase it again. They
probably won't do that. That's taking it to an extreme,
but that is the nature of digital copies of things.
You never really own it. Even if you buy a
movie digitally, you don't own that thing forever. And you
could say, well, if you buy a disc and eventually
over time it breaks down and it no longer works
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when you put it into your player, Eventually all things die.
That is the theme of this segment here. Eventually all
things die. But it is ironic for a studio like
Sony to be putting on a movie that is rooted
in physical media and physical discs and they are getting
rid of this in just a couple of years less
(54:21):
than that actually, So I can see why some people
are upset. And when it comes to very passionate people
who want to spend money to own their games, they
are going to be very vocal about that online. So
I think that does hurt this movie a little bit
because a lot of people were outraged in that. Because
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I think the gaming community is a very tight knit community.
They don't like people telling them how to change their
gaming process and they will revolt and this is an
example of that. Does it take away from the nature
of this movie? No, not really. But the thing that
really sticks out to me that I now realize that
(55:02):
I have I am starting to develop green screen burd
What that is. I am burnt out from seeing really
bad green screens or blue screens or even now with
a lot of movies and TV shows using the led
volume screen, which I think looks a lot better. It
adds more depth, but still it is noticeable at times.
(55:25):
The Mandalorian made that really popular where essentially you can
put your characters wherever, and you can put that background
there in real time. You adjust your lighting, you adjust
your camera, so it actually feels a little bit more
realistic and it's not just all your actors in a
blue or a green screen. The Batman with Robert Pattinson
also used that technology a lot in some of the
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city scenes and the rooftop scenes. That looks better. But
there is a moment in this Jumanji trailer, like I
mentioned earlier, when Jack Black gets hit by the car
and then he gets up very quickly. See him in
the foreground, and behind him you see a very apparent
bad green screen job behind him, and it looks so flat.
(56:10):
And I realize, now, after watching Spider Man and all
the other movies this year that have really moved the
needle at the box office, we do not want this.
I know it is probably more cost effective. I feel
like after COVID maybe we've gone and reverted back to
using way more green screen, although I do think the
led screen has probably become more prominent since then. But
(56:32):
it just looks bad. And I think the people who
are making these decisions and putting out these movies and
green lighting things and signing off on things. Maybe even
some directors here, but oftentimes they are limited by their
resources and what the studio wants and what they will finance.
I feel like they're not thinking about how important it
is for things to look good anymore in theaters. If
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it doesn't look good, it's not appealing to our eyes.
We're gonna have on a great experience with that movie.
So that scene stuck out to me so much, saying
this feels like it lacks a lot of effort. And
I know it's a big action franchise, it's a December
family friendly release. Maybe you don't want to spend a
(57:16):
whole lot of money getting the cinematography just right, but
why not make it better. I think Brand New Day
has highly benefited from making the cinematography better because it
actually looks like a movie, and that is a really
big deal right now. And I know it's a constant
argument how movies don't look like movies anymore. They look
too glossy and shiny, and they feel very fabricated and stiff,
(57:41):
And that is still what I'm feeling watching this trailer.
Where if this movie makes a lot of money, I'm
gonna be very surprised because I just think we are
tired of this product. It tastes stale, it doesn't taste exciting.
When I take a bite into this movie, it feels like,
oh man, this is so twenty seventeen whenever the first
(58:02):
movie came out. So they need to step it up.
They need to make these movies look better. Does that
mean paying the Rock a little bit less to heighten
the cinematography. Yes, get some real lighting in there for
crying out loud. And when it comes to the Rock,
this is his franchise because if you look at his
top ten highest grossing movies of all time, Jumanji is
(58:23):
his franchise, and number ten Iss and Andreas and number
nine is Fast five, part of The Fast and the
Furious franchise, which is all over his top ten. But
I don't really feel like that is his franchise. He's
not the star of those movies. And number eight is Mawana.
You could argue for that one even though he is
a voice actor there. I feel like if he's not
(58:44):
forward facing, it doesn't count as much because he is
that level of actor that should have his own definitive
movie and definitive franchise. I love animation, but I feel
like he should have something more significant then Malwana, and
that is why he came out and wanted to do
the live action Majana. That did not do well this
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year because it's not even in its top ten. And
number seven is Fast and Furious presents Hobbs and Shaw.
I'll give them a little bit more there because his
character name is actually in the title of that movie.
At number six, Fast and Furious six, which is kind
of weird that works out that way. At number five
is Jumanji The Next Level, making eight hundred and one
(59:26):
million dollars at the box office. We're getting up there
to the billions. At number four is Jumanji Welcome to
the Jungle nine hundred and sixty three million dollars. At
number three is Mawana two, which made over a billion dollars.
At number two is The Fate of the Furious making
one point two billion, and at number one in the
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Rock's highest grossing movies of all time, it is Furious seven,
making one point five billion dollars at the box office.
So with this one being the last Jumanji movie, what
is the Rock going to do next, he tried really
hard to sell us with the Smashing Machine, which I enjoyed,
but it wasn't the results he wanted. He didn't get
(01:00:07):
that Oscar nomination, much less the Oscar win. I think
his next dramatic role is another a twenty four movie
called Breakthrough, psychological thriller. I think he plays like a
motivational guru who manipulates a bunch of people. Takes place
in the early two thousands in California, So I still
think he is trying to find that balance of big
(01:00:28):
action franchise that people know me for that I can
make the money on, and then all right, let me
do an a twenty four movie to try to win
myself an Oscar. But I don't know where he goes
after this, because it just feels like everything he touches
eventually implodes and he runs everything dry or straight into
the ground. I really wish it would have worked out
(01:00:50):
with him with Black Adam, and that should have been
a much better movie. I don't really know what is
going on with that character, if it's ever going to
come back, but it does not look like that. But
this will be the final installment in the Jumanji franchise
coming out on December twenty fifth, and that was.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
This week's edition of Movie Mike Trailer Bar.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And that is going to do it for another episode
here of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta
give my listeners shout out of the week. This week,
I'm going over to my Instagram dms and I am
shouting out Zay, who was the first one to send
me a DM asking if I was going to do
a spoiler review a spider Man Brand New Day. Saw
that DM and I was like, I don't know if
(01:01:36):
anybody else wants this, and then I got some other
comments on YouTube and then on TikTok, so I was like, okay,
let me do this. So if you missed that episode
last week, I did a full spoiler discussion with all
my thoughts on spider Man Brand New Day. I did
go see it again on the weekend, but if you
missed that episode, it is just one back in the feed.
(01:01:57):
So appreciate that, Zay. I enjoy it anytime you go
have a suggestion of what you want me to do
or talk about on the podcast. And speaking of Marvel,
last week, the news came out that Kit Connor is
going to be Cyclops. He is officially cast. X Men
is confirmed now fully for a twenty twenty eight release.
(01:02:18):
I am loving X Men ninety seven right now, and
after Brand New Day, I am really excited for this
X Men movie. A lot of people were giving Kit
Connor a lot of crab saying he doesn't look like Cyclops.
Why did we cast him when Patrick Schwarzenegger was right there.
I like the casting. They're leading young with a lot
(01:02:39):
of these characters. They also cast Samaraw Weaving. You might
know if from Ready or Not Part one and Part
two she is going to be Emma Frost. I think
it is giving up to be a very exciting X
Men movie just with these casting announcements, and a way
that I feel about Marvel movies is you do not
necessarily need good actors. I think the sad reality of
(01:03:01):
the MCU when it comes to actors is the character
is always going to be bigger than the person playing them,
and they can act their butt off. But I think
it comes down to the storyline, the action, all the
other characters around that character, the cameos, all these things
that we've been conditioned to want at a Marvel movie's
(01:03:22):
it doesn't really matter as much their actual acting abilities.
I actually think their physical abilities and their ability to
convey this character on screen physically is probably more important.
Where I don't hate the Kit Connor as Cyclops, and
I'm not that familiar with his work. I remember him
(01:03:44):
from Warfare, which is a really great war movie that
came out a couple of years ago. He wasn't even
the main character in that movie. But I like the
fact that they're kind of rebuilding with people that you
may not know, because back when Tom Holland was cast
as Spider Man, he was somebody like Kick Connor who
we didn't really know. But I like the fact that
they are younger and we can grow up with these
(01:04:05):
characters and eventually get to a place like look at
Tom Holland now ten years after Homecoming that we genuinely love.
So just by looking at Kick Connor, I don't think
that guy was born to play Sideclops, but I think
we can get there. I am excited for the direction
that the MCU is going. So that is my thoughts
(01:04:27):
on that casting. Thank you Zane for the message, Thank
you all for listening, and until next time, go out
and watch good movies and I will talk to you later,
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