Episode 80: 1993 Fullerton vs. Long Beach Donnybrook

Warning - This podcast contains foul language and discusses adult subject matters that some may find objectionable. Listener discretion is advised.

In Episode 80, we brought together members of the 1993 Cal State Fullerton and Long Beach State baseball teams that took part in one of the most infamous brawls in college baseball history.

30 years ago on April 16, 1993, a brawl broke out in the top of the fourth inning, when Long Beach catcher Brian Whatley plowed into Fullerton catcher Bret Hemphill during a rundown that precipitated a bench-clearing brawl. The brawl delayed the game roughly 15 minutes and resulted in four ejections.

Later on in the podcast we will lay out the exact details of the game and the brawl as described by Los Angeles Times staff writer Scott Miller published the following day.

We gathered together a number of Titans and Dirtbags from those 1993 teams and brought them together via Twitter Spaces in a roundtable discussion, each sharing their perspective on that fateful night. Those that joined us from the Titans included:

Mike Parisi - Pitcher
DC Olsen - First Baseman
Dante Powell - Outfielder

From Long Beach those that joined included:

Tim Falsken - 3rd Baseman
Rudy Rodriguez - Shortstop

(Catcher Brian Whatley wanted to join the conversation but was on a flight at the time and was unable to use his phone.)

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Churl State full ten has done it. They've gone from fifteen and sixteen the
champions of college faceball. Welcome tothe fifteen hundred forty four miles to Omaha
podcast talking about the past, present, and future of cal State bulletin baseball.

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He's swinging, there's a hot ridethe right failed. He has done
it. Scott Hurst has hit hisfourth home run of the game. Wow,
what else can he do? Oh? My goodness, that's gonna gets
starts calls in cal State Fullerton winsorhere's your host Dave Lamb. Warning,

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this podcast contains foul language and discussesadult subject matters that some may find objectionable.
If you are easily offended, wesuggest finding a different episode of this
podcast to listen to, with theexception of episode number seven. That one
has some pretty salty language as well. Still with us, Welcome everyone to

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a podcast episode unlike any other podcastyou have ever heard. When the cal
State Fullerton Titans take on the LongBeach State Dirtbags on Friday May nineteenth,
twenty and twenty three, it willmark the two hundred and sixtieth meeting of
these two storied, proud and traditionrich programs. However, the game played
on April sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, is probably one of the most famous,

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make that infamous games between these twocollege baseball programs thirty years ago.
On that night, a brawl brokeout in the top of the fourth inning
when Long Beach State catcher Brian Watleyplowed into Fullerton catcher Brett Hemphill during a
rundown that precipitated a bench clearing brawl. The brawl delayed the game roughly fifteen
minutes and resulted in four ejections.Later on in the podcast, we will

(02:13):
lay out the exact details of thegame and the brawl that ensued, as
described by Los Angeles Times staff writerScott Miller that was published the following day.
We gathered together a number of Titansand Dirtbags from those nineteen ninety three
teams and brought them together via Twitterspaces in a roundtable discussion, each sharing
their perspective on that fateful night.Those that joined us from the Titans included

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Mike Perizi, the starting pitcher forthat night, DC Olsen, who was
on first base, and Dante Powell, outfielder who was playing center field at
the time. And from Long Beach. Those that joined us included Tim Fulskin,
an infielder, and Rudy Rodriguez,who also played shortstop catcher. Brian
Watley wanted to join the conversation,but was on a flight at the time

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and is unable to use his phone. Again, we must inform you that
this podcast does contain foul language andswearing, and also touches on adult subject
matters beyond the actual fight that tookplace thirty years ago. If you've come
this far, you might as welljust listen a little bit longer and hear
the players remember the nineteen ninety threeLong Beach State versus cal State Fullerton.

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Donnie Brook Welcome into episode eighty ofthe fifteen hundred forty four Miles to Omaha
podcast. Today is a special podcastwith multiple guests. We have a number
of Titans from the nineteen ninety threeseason and then also a number of the
Long Beach State Dirtbags from the nineteenninety three season. The crux of the

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conversation will be talking about the FridayNight game, where probably one of the
most epic baseball brawls of all timein college baseball or even in Major League
baseball where actually punches were landed,which is probably the first time in baseball
history where it wasn't just a lotof finger pointing and shoving. But let's
let's go around the horn. We'llstart with one of our our normal co

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host, Mike Perezy. And thenMike, after you introduce yourself, give
us a little bit of background onwho you are when you played for cal
State Fullerton, and then you geta choice to throw it to the next
guy. Okay, Mike Peisi.I was fortunate enough to play at cal
State Fullerton from nineteen ninety two tonineteen ninety four, and we went to

(04:27):
a couple of Omaha trips during thattime, and I was a Ryan handed
pitcher who had a lot of funpitch into cal State Fullerton. Next guy,
let's go to Tim fulcan So again. Tim Foulston, I was a
dirt bag from ninety one to ninetyfive, part of two Omaha team,

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played both second and third played mostlythird base in the ninety three season,
which was a blo that's a greatyear for you guys. So, Tim,
who do you want to throw itto next? Who should we introduce?
Next? We'll go to DC Allright. DC Olsen played Fullerton from

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ninety two to ninety five. Wewon a national championship in ninety five,
but I wore the worst of thatninety three brawl, by the way,
and we all know who started thatbrawl that the only time. Yeah,
Mike Percy, by the way.All right, let's not let's not get

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too ahead of ourselves. But Ido have some good well, Tim threw
it to DC. I do.I do have some good news. What's
uh? Rudy has figured it outand is on and has been given speaker
privileges. So throw it to throwit to Rudy. Take it on,
bro. What was the question?What was that one? Where? Where

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what I did? Where are weat? Oh, Rudy rod Driguez grew
up South Sacramento. I'm a northernCalifornia guy that got transplanted down there to
to SOCOW. Got lucky enough toactually Timmy it was my roommate. So
made me feel at home and mademe understand how SOCOW works to a point.
But I didn't take it that way. But yeah, after that,
played with ninety one World Series,ninety three World Series, played little ball

(06:27):
afterwards, independent high school coach.After that junior college coach been running youth
baseball tournaments for about the past twentytwenty plus years. I thought, so
with the addition of Rudy and withDC and Mike and Tim, looks like
we've got guys that have gone fromOmaha from nineteen ninety one. DC was

(06:50):
there in ninety two, Tim ninetythree, Perez was ninety four, and
then DC was back there in ninetyfive. So DCU went to three omahas.
Rudy, you were there twice,Tim, you were there twice.
I was in ninety one I readshirted up for a short surgery. Rudios
are starting shortstop in both ninety oneand ninety three, so he was a

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He was a core part of allthose all those Omaha teams. So that's
pretty impressive that we've got across fouror five years, you've got, uh,
you know, between the five ofyou, seems like that we've got
we've got some guys that have beento Omaha from ninety one through ninety five.
So that's pretty impressive. So thanksyou guys for coming on. Yeah,

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let's let's talk about Let's let's gowith the dirt bags first. So
Rudy and Tim Why did you guys, what drew you to go to to
to Long Beach? What was whatwas it that made you guys want to
be dirt bags? Ru? Doyou want to go? You want me
to take it first? Go ahead, brother. Coach Dave snow He was

(08:01):
legendary, legendary coach. He wasan incredible teacher, um and he was
He knew how to win, andhe made his or. He created an
environment where his players literally wanted torun three walls for him, and um,

(08:22):
it was. It was awesome.I still use um different skills that
he taught us in business and everydaylife today. So really go after it.
Yeah, yeah, I saw himeighty nine. Actually I saw him
in the region. I went tothe World Series after they went in Arizona

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and they had those god awful brownand gold uniforms, and I remember me
and my buddy watching and I lookedat him. I said, that's where
I'm gonna go to school, andI'm gonna make those uniforms look pretty.
And he laughed at me, anduh, yeah, snow Man called that
year after that and yeah, nohesitation and I ran and just like Timmy
said, I think he went toLong Beef. They were like literally like
fifteen and fifty the year before hegot there, and the next year they

(09:07):
were like fifty and fifteen and wentto the World Series. So, like
Timmy, it was one of thosethings like, man, that guy did
something right, and I want togo play for a guy like that,
And then once you got there yourealized, yeah, he it was about
the game, but he made itmore than that. So yeah, it
was. It was enjoyable to bethere. It was fun. Again,
I grew up in northern California,so going down to SoCal that was like

(09:28):
going to Disneyland for me every day. So it was pretty awesome. Like,
I can't complain that weren't bit Sowe both before we moved into the
Titans. Were you guys part ofthe transition from forty nine ers to where
you guys really embraced the dirt backMoniker or was that already there before you
guys got there? Yeah, theyactually, yeah, that has started in

(09:52):
eighty nine. Yeah. What itwas is they had a field around the
corner. They were getting the fielddone and they had his place called Yaqui
Field. It was like the oldred clay and they never dragged the field
until like the night they played nightgames there for like a pony or something.
So it was one of those thingswhere, um, yeah they went
there and they got beat up prettydarn bad. And and uh, I
think me and timmy only once,I know myself, I only had to

(10:13):
go once in ninety one where ourinfield coach when you had a bad day
of doing early workout groundballs, he'slike, if you can't catch the groundball
on this field, let me takeyou over to Yacki. And you took
a few groundballs and you kind ofrealize that you had it pretty damn good.
Even at forty nine or field oncampus that was horrible. But then
we got to go to Blair andthen yeah, it was it was like
playing on turf and and yeah,if you missed the groundball, it was

(10:35):
your own fault. It wasn't anythingthat happened because of the field. So
yeah, it was, yeah,it was it was different. It was
awesome, but yeah, I startedin eighty nine. Then it just grew.
And what it was is, um, I don't want to talk bad
about the dirt bags that today,but you had to earn it. It
wasn't something that they just put onyour uniform like they got. Now,
Um, we didn't have all thatstuff. We didn't have any of the

(10:56):
flash and the dirt bags and everybodyby and all that stuff. It was
just something you had to earn.It was it was a badge of honor
and it wasn't just given to you. And um, yeah, I don't
get me wrong, I'm glad they'recalled the Sharks. Now. By the
way, that field, that fieldthat we that we practiced on a couple

(11:18):
times as infield or the infield coach, coach Malpas would hit us groundballs and
if we got out of the wayat all, then he called it the
gauntlet and we had to take onebig step forward and he would hit them
harder and harder, and if wegot out of the way at all,
we'd end up ten feet from theguy hitting missiles at us. Yeah,
um, different times. Yeah,absolutely, stuff stuff the coaches can't do

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that kind of tough now, definitelyno going on yeah yeah, oh yeah
yeah yeah. It made you manreal quick there. They weeded the guys
out real quick who couldn't figure itout. And that's what Stoneman did.
He, like you said, hegot the best people, especially mentally strong
guys. Um, they were gonnabe able to take you know, maybe
days off and even weeks off yetwhatever for a reason. But he made

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you feel like you were so mucha part of the team. From the
last guy to the first guy,you were just as important. So that's
I want to believe a lot ofthe success came from that in the way
way way he uh kind of didn'tbreathed that down. So Mike and DC,
why don't you fill in on whatwhat inspired you guys to go to
cal State Fullerton and become a Titan? Um. So I was recruited by

(12:31):
the Snowman first and and and BillGuy Vette was there. You guys know
that name right, Uh oh yeah, I see guy, But I feel
few guys want to talk about soBill. Bill recruited me out of out
of Fullerton High School and he broughtme down. You guys had I'm Paul,
I'm from Polynesian origins. So myfavorite guy was Scott tout On Noah

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oh st Callie left handed first basement, like I was. I was sold
like from the start when Snowman wasin my living room. You know,
Giambi was playing third at the time, and think it was ninety one,
right, Um, really I thinkwhere are you playing? Shortstop? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, I was playingthe short thin your mouth? Yeah,

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I remember you. I appreciate butyeah, yeah, I loved you
two. I loved everything about longBC. I didn't really didn't care about
the environment because we didn't have theenvironment either. At Fullerton we played a
Amorrhage park with that little short leftfield exactly. Yeah, but we practiced

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at Tuston, yeah, where SeanGreen was like the guy there, right,
Mike, Yeah, you from Fullertonto tust In High School and god
man, I mean we had somedudes, but I mean we were all
in the same boat. We didn'thave a locker room. We all rest

(14:00):
in the parking lot. Like wewere all blue collar. It didn't matter
whether it was dirt Bags or calState Fullerton. You know, we all
we all had to deal with thesame shit. Hand me down uniforms,
you know, right. We hadall great T shirts, We had all
great T shirts and the night exactly, and our equipment manager would get mad

(14:24):
if we took an extra shirt.You know, it was. It was
brutal. Yeah, some guys likeyou never did laundry, so that great
teacher on our team like Jeff Manshipand threw a freaking battle and tried to
get a foul ball hit Aggie inthe head and oh she's crazy. Shit.

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But you know, you know,I know the rivalry is is unbeknowns
between Long Beach State and cal StateFullerton. The man, you would want
both of these type of players onyour team, and that's why it was
a round rivalry. I mean,we we all had to deal with the
same stuff, right, We didn'thave shit. Everybody else had everything.

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So you know we're we're just ablue collar type player. Well, I
think it's important to know that thatSnow Grito snow coach for Garrito, and
so all the coaches were were fromthe same else man they were here you
go. I know, you guysgot to remember I mean the Guru,

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I mean I even remember him becausehe told me I couldn't play shortstop.
Remember him telling me. I camein after the first practice and he looked
at me and he said, Sudden, you need to be on the other
side of the diamond if you wantto play in this game. And I
was like, well, you needto tell the snow man that, because
he keeps putting me out there inthe short stop, and I remember dudes
on the team like wrapped me upand threw me to the side, and

(15:48):
I was like what They're like,Dude, you know who that is.
That's the guru. You don't talkback to him. And I was like,
man, I don't know who thatold man is, but he just
told me I can't play short andI know I can play short. And
I remember snow Man came to mein the office and chastise me and let
me know, man, you shutyour mouth when that man talks. And
I was like, I had noidea who he was. But then all
of a sudden, like Timmy said, you hear of all the names that

(16:08):
popped out of that guy, AndI was like, oh wow, yeah,
I gotta go apologize. Rudy.You did run in eight sixty,
so maybe he had some point tothat, you know what I mean?
Yeah, Timmy doughty truth. LikeI said, he is a roommate from
day one. So Mike, whydon't you why don't you chime in on?

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You came in in in nineteen ninetytwo, So you're like, I
was a DC's recruiting class. Butmy story is a little bit different than
DC. I don't think I likeLong Beach State from the fall because I'm
playing high school football and I gotcalled playing Dodger scout team. The first
call to contact me was Jason's like, why don't you come out here and
visit the campus? And I wasso excited because I knew Jason Jombi and

(16:55):
I knew he was there. I'mall fired up and I gotta walk around
campus. I bought a Long BeachState had a T shirt, you know,
And he calls to me and hetalks to me, gets me all
pupped up, and I never heardfrom him again. Understandable. Yeah,
so I was a late blue er. I didn't sign at cal State fluits
to talk for my senior year andthings just fell into place. I didn't

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even know who all arya was.I knew Bill Mozyella who recruited me,
and I knew George Horton, andit just turned out to be a gold
mine my three years there. Itwas a blessing and it worked out really,
really well. So I'm definitely aproud Titan. Let's take a short
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All right, So I know DChit on the rivalry and the fact that
both of the teams were highly competitivedespite not having all the bells and whistles
and locker rooms and equipment and allthat kind of stuff. Talk to me
a little bit more about Now we'vealready heard from you Paris on the fact
that you didn't like Long Beach fromthe from the day one. But what

(18:00):
about what about you, Tim andRudy. Talk to me about the rivalry
that was entrenched in the dirt Backprogram when it came to playing Cow State
fourty. So when we came in, when I mean when you got to
Long Beach, you know, youknow with Fullerton they went to the World
Series basically every even year and weplan every audio and so when we got

(18:26):
there, you knew the Robberry wasintense. Um. We hated those We
respected the hell out of them,but we hated them. Yeah, And
when when that series came along,it was on. I mean, there
was there was no love loss atall, and we wanted to beat the
shot out of them, period.And some years we came out on top,

(18:51):
and some years came out on top, but it was always a it
was always a battle, Um,to uh to see who. Well,
I know, I know in ninetytwo, I want to say, DC,
did we get swept out of thehorrible field on campus in nineties?
I know I pitched. Yeah,that was the last year there. Yeah,

(19:12):
yeah, I gave him. Icame in for naughty. He didn't
get out of the second he guytalk Ridy hit his free red ball off
me. Oh it was a bigpig. Yeah, you guys got to
understand the snow Man. There's anotherthing, Timmy didn't tell you. The
snow Man if he if he likedyou, um, he called you by
your name, which which I gotcalled Rudy the whole time. But if

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he was you were a favorite,you got a nickname. And there was
god knows how many guys like Prideywas the big pig gave. Gonzales called
Blade hey, and the reason why. And everybody thinks they call him the
blade because he cut people up,But the snow Man would tell you the
reason why he called him blade becausehe said he was no sicker than a
blade of ground. That's why hecalled him that. That guy made it

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to the because he got to pitcha little bit. That he was a
to be with the Marlins. Ilove that. Yeah, awesome man.
He was, Hey, hey,how about this, Timmy. Timmy will
tell you this. We had awalk on tryout. He came on from
Long Beach, Wilson Um. Hewent and he was in right field and
he tried out for the team,and they made all these cuts and he
was horrible. And all of asudden he shows up and he's in uniform,

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like on Monday. Me and Timmyare looking like, what the hell?
How that guy get out here?And no lies snow man made him
can throw bps. First year toUS where he never sniffed the field,
he was a BP thrower against USleft handers. Next year he saw like
two thirds of an inning or somethingand got missiled and had like a five
hundred r A in those two thirdsof an inning. In the next two
years he went out and lived thenation and saved both years and got drafted

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in the whatever it's round, Andlike Timmy and whoever played in the Marlins,
he made it. But that wasperseverance to wherever you would have told
me that when I saw him,I would have bet my everything, like
na blade ain't doing all that.And man, damn if he didn't,
Bro, he was lights out.Not only in called, he was lights
out the minor leagues. No onewanted to face that guy. Yeah,

(21:02):
he got people out. Bro.He made you look stupid. It's like
you knew what was coming and youstill roll over the first Yeah. Man,
he didn't strike people out, butyeah he cockey had one hundred.
Yeah, bro, with that way, with the Mexican bullet and the mustache,
the Burt Reynolds mustasch Come on,man, that was there that he

(21:25):
didn't care. Yeah, he wentafter me. He remember, he would
drop down. Yes, and that'swhat I thought. That's why I thought
you guys called him the Blade.He can help me, I know.
In ninety two, I think wegot lapse. We were winning the Big
West Conference and we ended up comingin second, even though he went to
the National championship game that year,you guys won conference. In ninety three,

(21:47):
we got swept again, and youguys decided to be sneaky like it
was really see save Daniel Toy theSaturday Yeah man, hey, no,
why he got us through the firsthalf of that season. We were Timy'll
tell you we were back like likewas at a point where where it was.
It was like we were like tenand ten, twelve and twelve or
something. We weren't really good.We win one, lose one. But

(22:08):
the only thing that was like apart of those twelve first wins, like
CHOI had seven of them. SomethingDell like that year. I think he
ended up like something stupid eighteen andtwo nineteen. Yeah, he was off
the charts where that dude could pitchbackwards better than anybody I've ever played with.
You saw two o count and thatguy who was greasing it up for

(22:29):
a fastball, he threw you achange up ground out the third left hander
here, let me throw you justbackdoor curveball. Hit it the rudy.
He was just so smart with howhe threw the ball and what pitches and
uh but yeah he was cocky andship though two he was. We didn't
but we didn't like that guy atall. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
well, hey this was a foothere's a good I shouldn't eve bring this

(22:51):
up, but anyway, uh there, I'll say this. I won't pick
up names, but there was aposition player that Choy sent some choice things
about after we had to do likewait till like five in the morning.
One time after we got back fromlike New Mexico State on a Monday morning,
and he said something about that guy, remember Tom, that position player
whooped his ass into bushes, andwe got him do it too. Were

(23:12):
Yeah, Me, Kobe, andLotley were the captains, and everybody was
gonna go stop it. We werelike no, no, wait, wait,
let him take a few. Snowmanwas mad and made us do like
lunges for an hour to where he'slike, anybody just stops, you're off
the team, that type of stuff, And yeah, I kind of brought
us together and we kind of realizedlike, hey man, we're gonna do

(23:32):
this like they gotta be now.If not, I'm never going into the
office and be like, hey,you put me at third base. And
I played short stop since I waslike five years old, Could you put
me back? It's short if we'regoing to keep losing to play the position
that I grew up playing, andI never played third, And I said,
I was tuning with Eric Martin's anduh all a hammy and and so
Eric was playing second and our thirdbaseman was struggling. I went to coach

(23:56):
snow and I said, dude,give me a shot at third one day
my name was on the lineup cardand that's that was kind of history.
That was moving to third base.You're you're ninety three team sounds almost identical
to the two thousand and four Titanswhen they had Turner Suzuki, because I
went to watch them play in Texas. They got swept and they were below
five hundred and that team all isunbelievable. Yea before we get into the

(24:19):
actual Donnie Brook of ninety three.By the way, this is awesome.
I'm just I'm just feeling like I'ma fly on the wall, So I
can't imagine what it's like for forsome of the listeners. But talking about
your time there at Long Beach oryour time there at Fullerton, let's start
with Mike, then go to Tim, then go to DC, and then
go to Rudy. Who was aguy on the other team Long Beach or

(24:42):
Fullerton that for for example, Preezy, you had a great record at col
State Fullerton, but it was dogcrap against the dirt backs. Who was
the who the Hey, I tellyou what I think true. I probably
I think I was about eight oneagainst twelve schools, and I was like
two and oh against acc and twoand gets. I was, oh,

(25:03):
I was twenty six to eight.I was owing three against All State right
in your in your three years fromninety two to ninety four. Who was
the one dirt bag that came upduring your era that you absolutely hated seeing
that guy and you just couldn't seemto get him out. I don't know
when you have a twenty five yeara buddy, there's a lot of guys
who I didn't like. As Itell you what, I gave him two

(25:29):
three run bombs and the freshman outof the pan. I was actually pitching
a really good up time. Andthen my I was seven and no going
in a Friday start. Thought Iwas gonna throw against Vanniel Toy, the
big matchup, and falls gets thisshitty double off me a little fuzzers and
uh we were down two enough andand then the brawl breaks out. I
was at like DC, I alreadymy dcil blooded up. Then I go
over too well, but anyways,and then I'm like so pissed off.

(25:52):
I pitched me in relief on Sunday. I'm the worst relief pitcher ever.
And I came back a relief.It took a second loss. I'm like,
what am I doing? I wasjust seven to now I'm seventy two.
This is horrible. Over three daysand then my junior year DC,
I was wiped out. My junioryear, I think I'm coming off too
Big West Picture of the Week honors, and I'm fired up for that Friday
start, and Horton decides we're gonnapull out Long, Big State. We're

(26:15):
gonna save you for Saturday. Reallyfor what? And we, of course
we win to kick LONGBI stays outon that Friday, and then I don't
get out of the fucking fifth anything. All right? So Tim, who
was who was the Titan picture thatyou just absolutely had zero success against?

(26:36):
Oh, geez um Dixon, MDixon, Tim Dixon for some reason,
Man, I just got carved upby that guy. I mean pullet in.
It was greasy and silva and allthose dudes, and and you kind
of got used to the sliders.Um but Dixon Dixon. I don't know
what it was. Man, hehad my number for sure, and it

(26:59):
jumping back real quick that I mentthe name, I would say, Jeff
Leeford, those left handed hitters.Yeah, he rased off. I watch
a ball at blair Field he hitagainst us, I was like, that
guy's not human, he just shuhand he was. I called him the
SARTs like he just was a talldude, dynamic and then when he hit

(27:26):
the ball, the ball jumped offhis battle nothing. Yeah, So DC,
who was the who was the picturefor you that just had your number?
Which one? Holy shit? DChad four years a Long State picture.
Yeah, four years of him andthe blade carved me up like you

(27:48):
wouldn't believe. You know why,because he would change arm angles and then
he would turn that fucking change up. You know, the worst pitch of
all time for a hitter is whatpitch from a lefty If you're right,
it's the freaking change of Hey,a lot of Arcadia Lovebyfied had two Arcadi

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guys. You remember Eric Grubin andJohn Grays. Yeah about those guys.
Oh yeah, I got lucky andninety one. I had a shoot Dennis
Gray, Crogan, track Souls,Todd Taylor. Uh gosh, do all
those critos dude, snow love thoseguys. We had those guys. I

(28:33):
mean they they gave players to LongBeach State and and cal State Fullerton.
So now you know made him great. They made him great. And you
know why that we were rivals isbecause Cerritos fed both teams. Yeah,
and then you played against each otherAugy snow Man like, oh yeah,

(28:57):
all of them. So tell himthat I got some good news. It
looks like mister Dante Powell has decidedto fly in. So I've made I've
made an invite to mister Dante Powellto join us. Hopefully he accepts the
invite to become a speaker. Butwhile we're waiting for him to do that,

(29:18):
Rudy, who was who was thetitan that gave you fits at the
plate? Um? Mine was probablySilva? It was him. Um yeah,
he for whatever reason, like Timmysaid, he threw that slider.
But for whatever reason, I neverfigured out. I got it off the
fist god knows how many times andgrind it out the first or second um
rick a ball. I figured himout for a minute. I think my
only bomb was against your guys' lefty. That's the only guy. That's my

(29:41):
only college bomb. So I rememberthat one thing. I don't only started
with the Rye rolling. There yougo, that dude right there. I
was the only bomb I ever had, So I remember that, because yeah,
that was about all I remember aboutthat. And and yeah, silva,
it was that that slider that eventhough you knew it was coming um
and running on your hands, ifnot your guests wrong, and that damn

(30:04):
fastball would just strike fucking three onthe corner and you'd walk back in looking
like man, like you knew whatwas coming. But he still threw it
where he wanted and you still didn'thit that ship for at least for me,
like I said he was he was, Yeah, he was my guy
that got me. So I havea question. There was a left of
you guys had and we had thisbig ass We had a rag guy named

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Gavin and he was kind of chubby, I can't remember his name, but
left hand, left handed hitter,and he raped. Oh yeah, so
yeah, so our our fucking raggerguy named Gavin is telling him, hey,

(30:49):
mixed cheese and this and that.While he's at the dish. He
steps out of the box and takeshis hat off, his helmet off,
and goes, yeah, bro,I got this. You know what he
did? The next pitch that wentfucking big fly. He finally shut our

(31:10):
damn Gavin up from beach. Heknew Mike Kirby. I mean, you
guys probably know Mike Kirby. Andthat was the greatest thing I've ever seen
in my life. The ragging.The ragging was pretty fun boy. I
mean, I remember playing third basein that series in ninety three and um

(31:36):
Man getting destroyed by the fans atthird base. But it was fun.
Man. They were like, I'mfive five eight five nine day, Like,
who left to break a hat onthe field. Isn't that crazy?
How you have to psychologically block thatshit out? Yeah? Yeah, like

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they did their research. Yeah,told me on the Ten Year Program.
When you gonna fucking I'll tell youfunny. I'll tell you a funny story
about Santa Barbara. We were there. They were having a frat in the
outfite the front knight that's bad andI am on I am on the on

(32:20):
deck circle and they are just destroyingme. And over my helmet came a
freaking carrot. A guy had ithanging on a fishing pole and he hung
it over my helmet in front ofmy face. And I turned around.
I said, that's the greatest thingI've ever I'm serious, dude, they
were the best. We're going topause the conversation for just a moment to
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(32:45):
Cooks in ninety one was playing leftfield and we both went for a ball
like down in the left field corner, drop whatever, foul, and they
had all those dudes sitting on thosegarbage hands and on the post on the
left field fence, and they hadlike they put the two buy fours in
between them and there'd be one hundredlike victim. He said, all frat
dudes. And I remember I bentover for the ball and I started running
back, and you guys, remembermy run wasn't the most pleasant to watch.

(33:07):
And he wanted the dudes yell likeCooks and stop ringing. Look at
the way he's running. And Iwas like, oh god, dude,
I remember like looking like men.And the best was is we lost and
they either swept this one two outof three about ten to fifteen those dudes
jumped over the fence and they didn'tbe as these dudes pulled their dick stop

(33:28):
shook me. I should unite.I still remember that till this day,
looking like that really just happened rightthere, like look at it. And
no one stopped it, No onesaid none. They jumped the fence and
dispersed, and Snow was like umpires, like, hey, look at this.
And then he's like, what doyou want me to do? Like
it's a game over some day gohome. But yeah, Santa Barbara had
none against your guys. Santa Barbara'sthe best. Those guys were brutal.

(33:54):
I had. Like you said,they did the research. They did their
research and where you had to laughsometimes after some of the stuff they said
to your own guys, like theytalked about Kobe Cradle and said some things
about him you can't say nowadays atall the way because they said some Aggie

(34:15):
and yeah he went to the roofbroto Rory, the Tony Martin. It
was when they were in the outfield. They said, hey, Aggie,
you still fucking Rick Monday's wife.I thought it was the soggy burrito.
Yeah, and you look at Ilooked at Aggie. His face went completely

(34:38):
red. Oh, I'm going you'rethe head coach of this program. So
I'm looking at guys going, heyman, we need to stick to what
we're Tony Martinez says, he's upthere. You guys have those three pieces
of tape for indicators and talking aboutand they're they're all talking about but Rick

(35:02):
Monday's wife. He's so rattled hekept missing the came so Tony's like,
can you to sign again? He'slike, get over here, don't you
know what I'm touching? I meanin Santa Barbara when that dude said that
he did his research, and Ilooked over at Augie, his face went

(35:22):
completely red and he's like, fuckyou, you fucking and he took it
out on us. We're like,hey, man, that guy did his
research. We're not. Why areyou taking out on us? Right?
Yeah? I want I want toWe're kind of talking. Goes on,

(35:45):
all right, well, mister misterDante Powell has now joined US and has
been given speaker access, So Idon't know if Dante you want to chime
in on this. What a fellows? Yeah yeah, yeah, he was
fucking Monday's wife really yeah yeah.A matter of fact, I almost asked

(36:12):
him when he said in my livingroom to fucking recruit me. Hey you
fuck breaking minds wife. I'll signright now. I'll sign right now,
no bad stuff. How are youguys doing? Good? Good? God?
Man, I'm just loving life.I got some family in town right

(36:37):
now, so I stuck in backhere in the office a coup to you
guys and see what my brothers areup to. Checking in all right.
So since Dante's in, I thinkI think we got everybody. Fortunately Brian
Watley he's on a plane. He'snot able to get in and talk.
But I think we've got well representationon the Fulton side and on the dirty

(37:00):
backside. So let's let's give everybody'sperspective from the ninety three. So what
I'm going to do here is I'mgonna actually read the Los Angeles Times dated
April seventeenth, nineteen ninety three.This is the right up from on Saturday
morning after that Fullerton Long Beach Statebrawl that came out, So you got

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dateline Fullerton, California. The calState Fullerton, cal State Long Beach baseball
game turned on a fourth inning playat the plate Friday night turned ugly.
That is the key moments during LongBeaches thirteen to six. Victory came nearly
each time a forty nine er pickedup a bat as the visitors club five
Titan pitchers for fifteen hits, tookan eleven zero lead and never looked back.

(37:42):
But a scar was left on thegame. I guess they were looking
at you, DC, but ascar was left on the game when Long
Beach catcher Brian Watley plowed into Fullertoncatcher Brett Hephill after being picked off and
caught in a rundown, precipitating abenches clearing brawl that delayed the game by
fifteen minutes. It was a ruggedstart to the weekend series for Fullerton,

(38:04):
ranked second nationally by Collegiate Baseball andthird by Baseball America, and Long Beach,
ranked twenty ninth in collegiate baseball intwenty four in Baseball America. Goes
on to talk about the second placeLong Beach in the Big West Conference.
We remain striking distance. Quote,they kicked our butt. Fullerton coach Auggie
Garrito said, it was a goodold fashioned whippon. As for the brawl,

(38:24):
Garrido wasn't happy with that either.Quote. This is not professional baseball
where they are playing for millions ofdollars. Garrito said, this is an
educational experience. Fighting should not bea part of the experience. So now
they go on to describe the actualincident. So, with Long Beach ahead
five to zero, Watley, Senior, who went to Fullerton for one semester

(38:45):
during his freshman year, was onthird and fall Skin on second, with
center fielder Kobe Cradle batting Hemphill throughto Fullerton third baseman Jeff Ferguson attempting to
pick off Watley. Ferguson chased Watleythree quarters of the way down the line,
Cliff to Hemphill and Watley and easyout bowled over Hemphill. Fortune pitcher

(39:05):
Mike Preesy immediately shoved Watley. Yeah, I think we probably needed to uh
ball. I'm say this is abaseball dudes right here. So Forton pitcher
Mike Preezy immediately shoved Watley. Hemphillgot up and shoved Watley, and then
the dugouts cleared. Fortune's Craig Skybird, who was on the bench and was

(39:28):
only played and seven games this season, was ejected along with Long Beaches,
Watley, fal Skin and reserved BrianSmith NC double A rules blah blah blah.
As for the game, it wasthe roughest one for this prees.
Here we go, Perezy, here'syour line. As for the game,
it was the roughest one of theseason for Freezy, who's now seven and
one, who was battered for eightruns all earned, and seven hits and

(39:51):
three and two thirds innings. Hewas chased after facing ten batters in the
fourth and the last seven reached base. So, quote from Garedo, they
got to pre see better than anybodyhas all year. Garrito said, today
belonged to them. So then itgoes on and talks about Mike Fontana David
Goldstein, both juniors from Rancho SaniagoCollege pitch for Long Beach. Fontana six

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and three, gave up eight hitsand six runs seven out a third for
the victory. Goldstein didn't allow ahit in the final one and two thirds.
So hearing all of that, Idon't know who wants to start.
Unfortunately, what Lee was the onethat the trucked Hemphill. But maybe Mike
you want to start with your perspectiveof how that happened. I remember I

(40:37):
was so frustrated, and I'm prettygood at not losing my poise. I
lost my poise and I remember seeinghim on the ground, plowed over hemp
Hill, and that was my normalreaction. And I remember Kobe cradle in
the middle of that, and itwas it just went craziness and as tough
as I am, which I'm not. I remember Dante flying in everybody in

(40:58):
the middle, and I'm just sortof watching and the whole thing. Yeah,
no, that's not happened. Italked to Craig Skyburn. I didn't
even leave the dugout. Yeah yeah, And he asked him get your uniform.

(41:19):
Hey, I think that's I thinkthat's bas because I was on third
base and this thing broke out athome and when it broke out, I
started going towards home and I gotabsolutely crushed by about three bench guys from
Fullerton that caught me between home orbetween third base and home, and I
was on the bottom of the pileand somehow get thrown out of the game.

(41:39):
Okay, So so I was thefirst one involved because Mike Paris he
decided to push somebody after Brett.I don't know if he got plowed.
I meant it. Mike just goesbam, and I'm like, I'm the
first one involved. But I getpulled over to you guys long beats dug

(42:00):
out and get plowed by like allof you, and then Dante comes in.
There's a brawl going over here.But there's one guy that's getting plowed
by the way in front of thedugout at Long Beach, in front of
Long Beaches dugout, and some dudejust wham it hits me out of Brian

(42:25):
Smith. Thank you, but hedidn't knock me out. And then all
he's like, you're good. I'mlike, yeah, just butterfly, that
fucking cut I got my eye,which I still have, by the way,
and somebody said, hey, somebodyhit him with a bat. I'm

(42:46):
like, there's no bat. Somebodyhit me with a fest But I was
alone and there was a brawl goingon on at home Plate. But oh
homeboy was over there at the dugout getting just rap backed. Where's my
teammates? You had this big,tall picture. I don't remember who who

(43:13):
he was. I think he's theone that rapped Just give me that one
at the eye. But I stillgot the scar. He was. He
was our big first day. Yeahit was him, and he goes yeah,
we were remember high fiving each other. He goes, hey, dude,
I'm the one that fucking hit you. I'm like, oh you motherfuck
that fight that fight went on fora while that we had that the video

(43:36):
that we had, you could clearlysee Dante flying hilarious, and you guys
want to know something, and wasa fight. I think it was Candy
Maldonado. You guys remember that bigbrawl that Dodgers had. Yeah, I
think it was a Dodgers and CandyMaulinado. He went over top and I
think he might have clocked Ozzie Smithand I saw that gay right, and

(44:00):
me I was like, man,I want to do that shit one day.
So when that ship was going downand Mike was Mike, Mike was
fighting, everybody's on the line.I saw this big old file I'm coming
from center field. I said,man, I'm about to my Superman came

(44:20):
up and I just fucking sins andelbows. That was good, all right?
So Dante, I gotta I gottagive my perspective from a fan standpoint.
I'm I'm in the stands during thiswhole thing going on, and we
see Dante sprinting in from center field. And I'm not exaggerating. I could

(44:45):
have sworn he either launched himself fromsecond phase or at least at though he
cutout right there at the top.Oh my gosh. And it was he
skied and he had he had onearm extended and it was just and it
came down and just connected. AndI looked at my buddy and I was
like, did you did I justsee Dante launched himself from second base.

(45:09):
Yeah. Man, I told you, I said, I throw that.
Superman came on and came through,like you know, with Gas Stay,
bullet In and Long Beach State.Man, we've always had that good rival,
you know what I'm saying. Andit was fun. I mean even
through the fight, through the brawls, through the competition, you know,
it was always always going to playLong Beach. Let's take a short break

(45:31):
to listen to one of our sponsorsthat helps keep this podcast free. Yeah,
Dante, you're a Long Beach Milliicanguy, so that's kind of one
of those you know, back inyour own backyard. Yeah, no,
absolutely. It was kind of funnybecause it was in between me going either
Miami or fullet In and uh onceagain, Audio Garrito came and sat down

(45:52):
in our living room and gave usspeak and you know, the deal was
done. I don't know if you'veever heard of abbyss down in your living
room, you're gonna signed with KyleState Bulletin and the truth fact at the
time, so, um, youknow played for Bulletin me living and growing
up in Long Beach. Uh youknow, Bulletin was just thirty minutes far

(46:12):
enough for me to get out thecity, you know what I'm talking about.
And uh, you know it wasa good move. I love playing
that. I like playing at Bulletin. Uh you know, Um, I
was drafted that year. I actuallycould have went and signed, but uh,
you know, education and playing forKyle State Bulletin was it boring from?
So really what was I don't knowif you've chimed in because it was

(46:35):
kind of hard to figure out whowas what. But did you what was
your perspective of this whole thing goingdown? Oh, the whole brawl?
Um, yeah, you know what. It was one of those things.
It was like like Dante was saying, it's a good competition and rivalry between
each other, and it stayed betweenthe chalk lines, which was good because
when we got done with games andif and when we ran into each other
off the field, there was nohard feelings. It was it was a
respective thing where you just played hardagainst another competitor, and between the lanes,

(47:00):
yeah you're gonna go cleats up.But off the field, I'll buy
your beer and shake your hand becauseyou played just as hard as I do.
And now that kind of competition.It was going into that. But
when the ball happened, I ain'tgonna lie. I was smart. I
think we all got into a littlepile at home plate after it all started
happening. The umpires were trying tofigure things out. That's when we all
started yelling and team started to go, and man, it's like a really

(47:21):
small world in many ways. DC. I know, I talked a lot
of crap and he threw me outof the pile because Simmy was talking about
that video and thank god, Ithink it's bird, it's not around.
I looked like a bowlie ball.I rolled out of that thing and from
home plate and I hit the backstop. He threw me so damn hard,
and I tried to run back inand act like I was gonna do something,
and I realized I was a shortstop and I waited buck seventy.

(47:45):
So I just held on to everybodyin the back and was smart and just
watched everybody beat each other up,and I didn't get into the middle of
it because I knew I get smashed. But funny thing is is a guy
Timmy got thrown out with Skybird.He went to school with me in junior
college down here in Northern California,and we played ball with each other.
Um the travel ball tournaments I dohere in Northern California. I got a

(48:07):
team and the coach walks up fromGolden Spikes and I go, hey,
man, did you play ball fullof tiny? He goes, yeah,
you played shortstop. You're Rudy RodDriggs, and I go, yeah,
you're bred hemphill. So he runsthat organization, and damn if like two
three tournaments later, I'm running.This guy comes to check the team in
and about two three games in hecomes over and he goes, and I

(48:28):
heard her name's Rudy Rod drigguie',so yeah, I run the tournaments and
he goes, my name's MICHAELA.Olsen, and my brother wants to kill
you that punch like. I didnot throw that punch. I know I
was doing talking crap, but yourbrother threw me off that pile like a
rag doll. I did not throwa punch, so telling me got the
wrong guy. But yeah, itwas a good laugh in me and michaela.

(48:50):
Now even to this day, hestill I see him now, I
have seen him a few years.But um, yeah it was it was
a fun lab. But me,I was smart. I just stayed in
the back. I didn't want toget beat up by anybody, and I
just want Rudy there. Rudy.The true story about that is DC's always
wanted to kill me. Not youdon't worry about it. Yeah, trouble
all the time. My brawl wasninety one against Sack State against some hometown

(49:15):
guys that I played against. That'swhat my one brawl. Yeah, I
was smart. I stayed away.I truthfully, my summore year when our
season was done, I was reallyrude for longby State in Omaha. It
was just really cool to see aBig West Conference in the rivalry played in
Omaha against all those big SEC andACC schools. So we always pulled for

(49:36):
the Silk album Absolute and you gotand you guys know too being there yourself,
man, I mean, you know, getting to Omaha and none against
the new stadium and then all thefun stuff. I'm sure they get now
in the perch we get. Buttell me it wasn't fun when you walked
off your floor and you know theyhad a spread busted out from KFC,
from the local VFW hall got itfrom you, and you just went and
took a bucket of chicken and ranto your room because you didn't know who

(49:58):
how much was gonna be eating.And yeah, that was like you guys,
that brawl catalyst. You guys too, Oh you know what to get
to the World Series and dominate.And you know what, we all supported
you even though we were rivals,you know what I mean? Yeah,
you guys want to understand Timmy,No, we we were one out like

(50:23):
we're in the championship were you guysgot there? Three we got left on
the field. That's who we eliminatedin ninety two, and that's who we
eliminated in ninety four. Bro Imean, come on, Phil Nevin is

(50:44):
a dick. I thought you Ithought you guys are gonna I thought you
guys had a good chance to winthat World Series. I actually went and
saw you play. I was actuallythere. That was cool. Yeah,
yeah, no, we we believewe should have won that thing. It
was, yeah, one out away. We lost the LSU we had beat
in the night before, and uhyeah, none against it. I think

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they beat up on Witchita State andit was just a one game thing back
then. But yeah, it wasone of those things that, yeah,
we believe we could get that stuff. Yeah, you guys, I mean
absolutely absolutely. Man. We loveLong Beach State players, dude. Like
one part part was is I knowmyself brought up in northern California, I
didn't know much about the RITE untilI got down there. And then once
I realized how much you guys actuallyknew each other, it was more like

(51:29):
um like like inter squad games.It was the best of the best from
the high school down. They allplayed against each other, and it was
each year everybody coming in to where. You know, when you were a
junior, you were seeting kids thatwere sophomores in high school now playing with
you. And yeah, I rememberI played with Brett Jenkins at USC and
his little brother, Jeff Jenkins andred Shirt in a year and I was
playing shortstop and he like hit adouble off the wall and he looked and

(51:52):
he goes, hey, man,didn't you play against my brother in high
school? I like, yeah,shut up, punk I know the nineteen
like, I don't play as longas I can. I think, I
think in that in that series inninety three, we ended up sweeping that
series, which propelled us. Wewere like twenty eight and two after that.

(52:14):
But in that series when I gotkicked out of the Friday night game,
suspended for the Saturday game, andthen it got kicked out again for
for a night running over Hemphill inthe ninth thing. So I was out
of all three games. You know, in the New Catalyst, your your
team to another level and then youguys got to another level. Yeah that
was yeah, definitely was the henwas it like the like a nine year

(52:40):
running where I was where we goingto the World Series the Beach? I
believe ye right right? We lostthe USC knocks Out ninety three at Texas,
right, Texas, we fucking ownedTexas. We lost, you know,

(53:00):
we lost the USC doctor Out.Never made it the tape. You
went to a liquor store. Westole some there. Then DC like we

(53:23):
had like nine twelve backs, likefour guys, like nine twelve packs.
We had two shoulders head, DCMail and Steve his knees. I said,
we got I was running out ofstever, we're gonna still and he's
like, he state, Bro,I go ahead, I gotta I gotta

(53:45):
grow. That's gonna run fucking twelvetwelve packs out of that. And god,
I ain't dog I did. Idid't even call Lewis like it wasn't
I had place on the showing itcarry one. I tell you what.
We brought a bag and half funabsolutely this podcast. Man. Were getting

(54:17):
back to the hotel and everybody's like, where did you get all those beer?
And all those beards? We got? Tame bro, where you got
those be everybody was kissed. Yougonna be able to drink tonight? Thres
nothing? All right? So DCand Dante, I think it's been thirty

(54:42):
years. I think the statue oflimitations have run out. So you don't
have to worry about remember I'll doit. I'll do a couple I'll do
a couple of days for that.All these his head. That's why you
come get me on that. Idon't think you remember that. I don't

(55:14):
remember that. Yeah, all right, So gentlemen, before before this gets
completely and totally out of hand,if it hasn't already, we want to

(55:36):
try to keep this about under anhour. We're just almost at that area.
I wanted to say thank you verymuch to everybody for coming on.
If you guys have anything last youwant to be able to say, either
about the rivalry or about your ownschool or about the other school. And
obviously the Titans and the dirt Bagsare they're renewing the rivalry again starting tomorrow
night. Any any closing statements foryou, gentlemen before we sign it off.

(55:59):
Yeah, disclaimer right here. Hey, any any of Mondays relatives or
listening this stuff, we just kidding, man. If many Mondays are listening,
We're just kidding man for real.And you know what long beats Kell
State, Fulleton pets. We alllove each other absolutely absolutely, you know,

(56:22):
I mean the blue collar state.So yep, whoever wins, right,
hopefully they can get back to thelevels that we were at some point
down Definitely that that would be funto watch. That would make me come
back and watch more Batesball. Idon't know about now, but I watch
it and Transfer Portal and you gotnew dudes, new faces every year where

(56:44):
us specially you were there for Iwas in my place, three, Timmy
four. You know what I mean. We're all there for a minute.
Mike pretty the same time. Soit was one of those things. It
was, it's different when we play, not more of a respect thing.
I had a chance of leaving ninetyninety two to go to Texas, and

(57:05):
I stayed because I told this howdumb I was. I told coach now,
I'm better than the shortstop you're bringingin and anybody and Chris Gomanz,
Yeah, doesn't matter what, whatstatus. We just love each other.
That's it. Man. You guys, Hey, you guys, I don't

(57:27):
care. Hey, guys, checkthis out. I don't know about y'all,
but but the Big West, ourteams probably had arnuably two of the
best shortstops at Cole State Fuller towith Nate Rodriguez with Nate Nate rod Rigus
and Rudy. Rudy, yeah,Rudy, everybody. Any story. You
know, Mexicans they're very fertile.But me and Nate used to kid around.

(57:49):
We played. He played at Laneywas an American river down here,
and he man, I'm going toand I told I'm going to Long Beach.
He said, hey, man,we're gonna tell everybody we're family,
bro. So this way they're gonnamake look like our family bad ass,
I mean brothers. Every time wewould get on, every time he'd get
on second or I get on second, we give each other a little hug,
little kiss on the cheek and belike, hey, what's up,

(58:09):
and just laugh about it because weknew it was a big lie. But
name was spelled the same. Butthat dude was bad. I love that
guy. You guys catalyst for mebecause uh he blamed it in he was
at ecdall dude from Pepperdine in theday. It was a diving room,
he remember. But when you lookedat the sheet, Yeah, y'all,

(58:30):
y'all, y'all were the y'all werethe best too. Pigeon toe short stop
up, fuck it, I getup. But they going back today,
the long beach bullets. In thequestion he had, I'll tell you this,

(58:52):
every time we played each other,I know I got better because of
those games, because you guys wereso great. You wanted to beat you
guys because it was a ragging rightshe saw each other because we were twenty
thirty minutes away and we were thestate schools that were chair no no.
We were in a USC, L, m U and UCLA but everybody looked
down on us, but we whippedout our ass. You know a thing,

(59:14):
you know nothing. We both outan amazing great head coach. Yeah
yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll talk that upward for sure.
Yeah. I lost some snow snowsand og bro. You know that's a
whole that's a whole other podcast rightthere. Great Snowman stories. Timmy got

(59:36):
some too, where I'm sure youguys got your Garrido one because yeah,
well, gentlemen, I've I reachedout to George Horton. He provided me
with Dave Snow's contact information, soI'm definitely going to be reaching out to
him and do another future podcast ifhe's available, to be able to bring
on the Snowman and talk about notonly his time at Sritos and cal State
Fullerton with Augie, but then obviouslybeing in a dirt bag and and really

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putting that putting that program on themap was was all his fingerprints are all
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we've had a wonderful time tonight.Thank you all for coming on, Thank
you very much for everybody for listening, and thank you so much for for
for joining us, but unfortunately wegot to cut this one off. And
gentlemen, thank you so much.Thank you. Have a great time.
Hopefully you guys will be able tocome out or keep up and watch the

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