238. August 2024

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Introducing first, The Challenger, fighting out of
the hard corner.
Originally from Cleveland, Ohio,he now makes Cleveland, Ohio,
his home.
You can plead your case, butyou're going home blood-red.
He is here tonight for victory,through Harmony.
It is the man known as Clevo!And his opponent, fighting out

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of the core corner, from partsunknown, weight unknown.
Reason he didn't pick MinorThreat in the Straight Edge
Super 7, unknown.
It is the reigning, defending,undisputed 185 miles south
trivia champion of the world,Daniel.
These questions are too easy.

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Sant.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36):
All right.
And the first question goes toClevo.
Clevo, what is the greatesthardcore song of all time?
Sant.

SPEAKER_06 (01:44):
Oh my God.
It's, it's, it's blind justiceinto, into last warning.
A point to Clevo.
I almost, I almost said victimin pain again.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57):
That would be up there, but not the best.
Okay, Dan, let's go to you foryour number one.
Dan, what is the worst punk songof all time?
Wow.
We can do a clue animal related.

SPEAKER_03 (02:12):
Animal Relief.
Oh, it's Chicken.
It's something chicken by MDC,right?
We got

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to go to the referee here.
What do you think, Ben?
We need the full title of thesong.
Chicken Fuck?
Chicken squawk.
Point to the champ.
Got it there.
MDC chicken squawk.
How many

SPEAKER_06 (02:35):
chances was he going to have to get that right?
You

SPEAKER_03 (02:40):
got planned justice into last warning.
I

SPEAKER_05 (02:43):
got the chicken squawk.
Dude, for saying MDC chicken,that's pretty good.
Okay, here we go for a timelyone.
Now, the Olympics just endedyesterday, so we are going to do

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this related to that.
Clevo, true or false, the numberof games you need to win the
match in singles table tennisare the same as the number of
bars in the black flag logo.
False.
We go to Dan for the potentialsteal.
Dan, true or false, the numberof games you need to win the
match in singles table tennisare the same as the number of

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bars in the black flag logo.

SPEAKER_03 (03:30):
Well, everyone knows that's true.
All you have to do is watchForrest Gump once to learn that.

SPEAKER_05 (03:37):
It is true.
It is the best of seven.
All right, and let's go to Danfor his round number two.
Dan, which came first, theMindforce LP Excalibur or
Rugby's return to the Olympicsfor the first time since 1924?
Mindforce's

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LP Excalibur.

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We go to Clevo for the potential steal.
Clevo, which came first, theMindforce LP Excalibur or
Rugby's return to the Olympicsfor the first time since 1924?
I believe that would be Rugby.
A point to Clevo.
Rugby returned in the year 2016and Mindforce put out their
classic LP Excalibur in 2019.

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Dan, I didn't do them a yearapart just for you.
How about that?
Appreciate it.
You got it, bud.
Okay, we go to Clevo for hisround number three.
This is a multiple choicequestion.
Clevo, what nerd word appears inthe chorus of the Abuse song
Just Another Fool?
Is it A, more so, B, henceforth,C, consequently, or D,

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subsequently?
I'm going to say C.
We go to Dan for the potentialsteal.
Dan, what nerd word appears inthe chorus of the Abuse song
Just Another Fool?
Is it A, more so, B, henceworth,C, consequently, or D,
subsequently?

SPEAKER_03 (05:00):
Well, henceworth is just cracking me up.
But I think it's A, more so.

SPEAKER_05 (05:10):
A point to the champ.
He says, well, I can think too,maybe more so than you.
All right, and we go to Dan forhis round number three.
Dan, on the first Poison Idea7-inch Pick Your King, how many
songs do they have aboutthinking?
I'm going to say three.
We go to Clevo for the potentialsteal.
Clevo, on the first Poison Idea7-inch Pick Your King, how many

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songs do they have aboutthinking?
Two?
A point to Clevo and Epic Steel.
It is Think Twice and also thesong Think Fast.
And we go to Clevo for his roundnumber four.
Clevo, the SSD 12-inch Get ItAway has seven songs.
Which one of them is a cover?
No reply.
A point to Clevo.

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It is No Reply by the Buzzcocks.
And we are firing right back toDan.
Dan, What band put out a 12-inchdebut in 1983 that they titled
after Mad Punks and Themselves?
What?
I don't understand.
Okay.
A band put out their debut12-inch in 1983, and the title

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of it is Mad Punks andThemselves.
Oh, English Dogs?
A point to the champ.
It is called Mad Punks andEnglish Dogs.
A point to the champ.

SPEAKER_03 (06:26):
All right.
Because it's based off anEnglish title.
saying of mad dogs andEnglishmen.

SPEAKER_05 (06:31):
There you go.
No extra point, but muchappreciated.
Okay, we go to Clevo for hisround number five.
Clevo, again, multiple choice.
Confront had a song that shareda name with which pro wrestler?
Is it A, The Bruiser, B, TheCrusher, C, Macho Man, or D,
Nature Boy?

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I

SPEAKER_06 (06:53):
was going to do it like Steve does on that live CD,
but it's Macho Man.
A point to Clevo.
All right.

SPEAKER_05 (06:59):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Snap into it.
Okay, we go to Dan for his roundnumber five.
Dan, it's a UK all day.
What's up?
True or false?
On the first GBH 12-inch, beforeany music starts, the singer
Colin yells, go.
True.
Point to the champ.
All right.
Clevo, we go to you.

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Another multiple choice, dude,because I don't know how anyone
would know this.
So I guess it's a guess.
But it is like, it's a fun factand a sign of the times.
How many copies of Madball'sDroppin' Many Suckas 7-inch were
made in the first press?
Is it A, 1,000, B, 2,500, C,6,500, or D, 10,000?

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B, 2,500.
We go to Dan for the potentialsteal.
Dan, how many copies ofMadball's Drop in Many Suckas 7
inches were made in the firstpress?
Is it A, 1,000, B, 2,500, C,6,500, or D, 10,000?
Okay,

SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
it's really weird that 6,500 is just...
a weird unit.
So I'm going to say 6,500.

SPEAKER_05 (08:04):
An epic steal by the champ.
And God damn, they were making alot of records back then, huh?
For a hardcore seven inch?
250 on maroon for the true onesout there.
Not me, unfortunately.
You don't have it?
No, I have it on black.
I'm one of the 6,250 that got iton black.
Me

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too.

SPEAKER_05 (08:22):
Me too.
Yeah.
So if anyone out there has amaroon one, hooking up your boy.
Okay.
Let's go to Dan for his numbersix.
Dan, another multiple choice.
And this one, we're going totest what you're all about,
dude.
So here we go.
Multiple choice.
Okay, let's assume that you're atrue punk.
You want some studs for yourjacket.
In 2024, a bag of 100 standardpyramid studs goes for

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approximately what?
Is it A,$8?
B,$12?
C,$16?
Or D,$20?
Okay.
Can you repeat that?
Because does it depend on whereyou're getting them from?
Angry and Poor, whatever thatwebsite is, is what I looked at.
All right.
Give me

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the totals again.

SPEAKER_05 (09:07):
Okay.
And realize we are giving thisto you because you are the best
dressed man in the pod, ourfashionista.
This is a bag of 100 standardpyramid studs.
And is it approximately$8 a bag?
B,$12, C,$16, or D,$20?
Well,$100,

SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
I would have to say, oh, God.
And if I do get these studs, I'mdefinitely doing a discharge
studs pattern from the first7-inch on the jacket.
They have to go with that.
in that exact same pad.
I'm going to guess$16.

SPEAKER_05 (09:45):
We go to Clevo for the potential steal.
Clevo, let's assume that you'rea true punk.
You want some studs for yourjacket.
In 2024, a bag of 100 standardpyramid studs goes for
approximately what?
A,$8, B,$12, C,$16, or D,$20?
I'm going to

SPEAKER_06 (10:03):
say$20.

SPEAKER_05 (10:04):
No points this round.
It is$8.
Inflation hasn't hit the punksthat hard yet.
Respect.
I know.
Shout out for that.
Okay, let's hit this shit.

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Okay,

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and we go to Ben for the subtotals.

SPEAKER_06 (10:33):
All right.
Dan has six points

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and Clevo has five.
All right.
We did a coin flip due to thegamesmanship that Dan's
displayed last time against Ben.
We are now determining who goesfirst or second by coin flip.
Dan won the flip because healways wins.
And he chose that Clevo goesfirst.
Clevo, how many points would youlike to wager?
Go big or go home.
All five.

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Oh, my God.
Clevo's going all in.
Dan, how many points would youlike to wager?
All six, you know.
Oh, my God.
Here we go.
Okay, Clevo, this is for you.

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Here, one more time.

UNKNOWN (11:13):
You got it.

SPEAKER_06 (11:18):
I feel like the second half he says there's no
way out or no way back.
Let me hear it again.

SPEAKER_07 (11:27):
Clevo,

SPEAKER_05 (11:32):
this is a classic.
You may have moshed to this one.

SPEAKER_06 (11:36):
Possibly.
It's not catching for me.
It sounds like it says you'vebeen evicted, but I don't think
he's a landlord.
Let me hear it one more time.

SPEAKER_05 (11:49):
You got it.
Here we go.

UNKNOWN (11:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (11:56):
It's something, something, addiction, there's no
way back.
I can't get the beginning of it,though.
Let me hear it one more time,and then I'll give my final.

SPEAKER_05 (12:09):
You got it.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_06 (12:15):
Yeah, I'm going to say addiction, there's no way
back.

SPEAKER_05 (12:19):
No points.
And Dan, we're not going to saywhat it is because yours is
pretty similar.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 (12:34):
It almost sounds the same, but I do know the last
part of this.
Can I hear it five times in arow, please?

SPEAKER_05 (12:41):
Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_07 (12:47):
No points.

SPEAKER_03 (13:03):
I know it.
You got it?
I know it.
And yeah, Clevo definitely ismoshed to this.

SPEAKER_05 (13:13):
Okay, let's hear it.
I

SPEAKER_03 (13:14):
think it's, will you accept it?

SPEAKER_05 (13:20):
He's the champ for a reason, people.
He's the champ for a reason,people.
Dan doubling his points to 12.
Clevo shaming his former selfthat used to dance the 25 to
life.
His was, will you accept it?
What's going down?
Dan finishing off.
Will you accept it?
The low down.
Everyone come up front and singalong.

SPEAKER_03 (13:46):
I will, in Clevo's defense, I will say the will you
accept it on my line is way moreaudible than it is on Clevo's.

SPEAKER_06 (13:54):
From here on in, I'm just assuming Rick's a landlord,
evicting people left and

SPEAKER_05 (14:00):
right.
You know, there might have beena granny flat in the back of his
mom's spot in New Jersey.
You never know.
Okay, Dan, congratulations.

SPEAKER_07 (14:09):
Way to go, dude.

SPEAKER_05 (14:12):
What's up, everyone?
We are back and talkinghardcore.
Helping out.
You know him.
You love him.
It is the best dressed man onthe pod.
It is Daniel Sant.
What's up, Dan?

SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
With the world's fate resting on your shoulders,
you're going to need somebody onyour side.

SPEAKER_05 (14:27):
There you go.
Dropping that deep shit out thegate.
You know him.
You do love him.
What's up?
All right.
We're just going to dive rightin this week.
But Dan, good job on trivia.
You got a 25 to life one right.
How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_03 (14:41):
I mean...
Get me a horse.
My kingdom for a horse.
I need to be riding a horseright now.

SPEAKER_05 (14:47):
Dude, you need a horse and a crown.
That's what's up.
Okay, let's jump into it.
All right, first off, I got ashout out to Shine Life Press.
They just put out their catalognumber 59, which is a fanzine
compilation.
It's 132 pages, full-sized.
And what they did was they had abunch of people submit two-page
contributions.
It is so sick.

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I can't wait to get mine in themail.
And you know...
185 is up in there, so everyoneneeds to buy it.
You can go toshininglifepress.com and handle
business.
Also, straight out of Maui, itis Ikeika.
If I said that wrong...
Dude, don't lump me up.
I know you Island boys are hardas fuck.
But they just put out a new democalled A Demonstration of

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Pacific Fury.
This is Gavin, friend of thepod.
It's been one year since thefires in Lahaina on Maui.
So check out that demo.
Give them your support.
It's spelled I-K-A-I-K-A.
Ikaika, what's up?
All right.
Also got a shout out to friendof the podcast, Kevin, not fair

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to flare.
And, uh, dude, those mosh stylesof this is hardcore off the
chain.
Dan, you saw that video, right?
That one arm style.

SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (16:01):
The human lasso.
I love that shit.
All right.
Other stuff.
Uh, that I have liked in thelast month or so.
That band Armor, they put out agreat 12-inch EP called Afraid
of What's to Come.
Brand new.
There's a band called X-Com.
They put out an EP calledWestside Punks.
I saw them featured on No Echo.
That thing rips.
Sergio also sent it to me.

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Shout out, Sergio.
The band Trail of Lies put out anew LP, and I was stoked on
this, dude.
I love that last two-song EP.
I thought they might have been aband that was like a COVID
casualty, but they came backwith an LP.
It brings the heat.
I love that shit.
Hell yeah.
Also, we have been blessed witha bunch of new singles recently.

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So Hi-Viz dropped the secondsingle off their upcoming LP.
It's called Minds Alive.
This thing's great.
Dan, what do you think aboutthis song?

SPEAKER_03 (16:51):
I think it's incredible.
I've been slowly but surelywaiting for this one to drop
because I'd heard a demo versionof it.
before and i just love thecreativity and and roping in
like almost like low-key housemusic into their you know when

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ski comes in on the drums and ismatching the like actual like
drum beat that was preceding itoh my god so good i really i
really love that song

SPEAKER_05 (17:26):
Yeah, I think this is killer.
I also think it's interestingthat the two singles that
they've put out aren't reallythe high-vis that we know and
love.
So that third single, you knowthey're going to drop that
jingle-jangle and come with it,dude.
I got faith.
It's sick, though, because thetwo songs, they seem like they
would be ancillary songs on therecord.

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But if I'm being honest, thefirst one was a little too
alt-rock for my liking.
I know you loved it, Dan, butthe second one I think is
fabulous.
So I'm stoked.
I can't wait for this record.
Okay.
Also, we got a new Reek single.
So hell yeah.
Anytime Reeks puts out music,you know, it's a good day.
Also got a shout out.
Chubby and the gang has put outthree singles now for their

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upcoming LP and two of thesingles they've put out.
might be my favorite Chubbysongs there are.
That The Bonnie Banks song is sogood.
And that song To Be Young, sogood.
I think that's the newest one.
Dan, have you checked these outat all yet?

SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_05 (18:28):
And you love the first two Chubby LPs.
You and Chris loved them morethan I did.
How do you feel these arestacking up?

SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
I loved the first LP.
I liked the second, but I don'tgo back to it that often.
Although there are a couplestandout songs on it, but the
first LP destroyed.
And then this is tapping intomore of that.

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It's taking the breakneck speedthat they used to have, and it's
kind of slowing that down andgiving you glam, but still being
punk as fuck.
I don't know.
It's really good.

SPEAKER_05 (19:06):
It's a little more pubby, right?
Like it slides right in withlike that Melbourne shit that I
love.

SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
Oh, it's definitely like pub rock glam rock
influenced to the hilt.
Like, I mean, almost borderingon a little bit of rose tattoo
there a bit,

SPEAKER_05 (19:20):
you know?
Yeah.
I mean, there you go.
Straight back to Australia, huh?
Dude, I got a confession tomake.
I had no idea that Chubby wasthe long hair dude in the
chisel.
Oh, really?
You didn't know?
No, no, no.
Cause I, when I saw the chisel,they opened for GBH at a house
of blues down here and I saw himwalking around and yeah, I

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didn't go say hi.
I wish I would have, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (19:43):
Yeah.
And you're like, you're not thatchubby.

SPEAKER_05 (19:46):
Yeah, he's not chubby.
He's a long hair.
Generally, I don't go up andtalk to long hairs because I
always get worried I'm going toget stuck in some sort of
punishing conversation about howthey're telling me that Dokken
is really better than they were.
But it is what it is.
Dude, I love these new songs, soshout out to Chubby and the
gang.
Hell yeah.
All right, let's jump right intoit.
The first thing that we're goingto talk is...
a split seven inch.

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It came out between the bandGephyr and Rat Cage on Bunker
Discs and Tapes in June of 2024.
Rat Cage straight out ofSheffield in the UK.
And Gephyr is out of a town thatI can't pronounce in Sweden, but
it's the same town thatTotalitar is from.
Thank you, Sorry State, forputting that in the write up for

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the record.
Dan, how do you want to do this?
You want to break it up or youwant to just go?

SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
I want to hear your pronunciation of the Swedish
town or city.

SPEAKER_05 (20:36):
Hudiksvall, or for Staffan, Hudiksvall.

SPEAKER_03 (20:41):
Okay, cool.
It is now, you know, mid-year, alittle bit after we've gone
past.
This is the split of the year.
Like, we'll see this pop back upat the 185 Awards in December.
Guarantee it.
Because this thing absolutelyrips.
both sides both bands so goodgiving you that like two

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variations on db um i think theum geffer side is a lot more um
recorded higher in the in themore trebly style recording and
a leaning that way with the withthe uh The feedback slash

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tonality on the guitars is veryjust high in the attack.
But God, it's brutal.
It's so good.
The songs are amazing.
And then you flip it and you getRat Cage.
And these are, I mean, I loveRat Cage, like everything

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they've done, especially theJump Off a Building record.
These songs are so good, and thefinal song, Thatcher's Back,
what an epic journey through itbeing a mid-tempo into being
fast, into being catchy.

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That song has everything.
I mean, I love all six songs onthis release so much.
It...
i think it's it's gonna i hope alot of people get to hear this
because this is top tier dbhardcore like for the masses

SPEAKER_05 (22:39):
yeah this thing rips basically just what i want to
say about it is it's two bandsand six songs and everything
kicks ass so i'm trying to notbuy seven inches anymore because
i don't listen to them at homethat much but There's a record
that we're going to talk later.
The problem seven inch that Ihad to buy and sorry, state got
it in the distro.
So I ordered it.
And then this is a perfectlittle record to tack on.

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You know what I mean?
Like you got to pay that uncleslam tax, you know, the USPS.
And it's like, I'm not trying tobuy one little seven inch.
So it's like, I'm going to do acouple of add ons.
Right.
And it's like, well, here'sanother thing came out.
I checked it real quick.
I was like, God damn, it soundslike all this kicks ass, toss it
in the bag.
You know what I mean?
so oh you did you ordered ityeah yeah i ordered it because i

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had to have that problems dudeit might be my favorite seven
inch of the year we'll get to itso here's what i think about
gefer this is just it's moderndb and it's like they're from
the same town as totalitar anddude my ear is not seasoned to
any sort of like db beyonddischarge and the clones really

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so i it's like anything fasterthan that in the pocket DB just
sounds like totalitar to me.
So these guys just kind of soundlike totalitar and they do have
that nice blown out sound, butthey do also have that deep ass
snare tone that cuts through,which is so important, right?
It's like, if you're going tohave that blown out guitar, I

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want to at least be able to hearthat snare snapping through,
keeping that tempo.
And also the, Dude, they do athree minute song on here, which
is almost sacrilegious, youknow, but I don't know, dude, it
still kicks ass.
So it's just like three songsthat rip.
Hell yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like sometimes that's just whatyou're looking for.
You want new hardcore punk songsthat kick ass.

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And here is Guffer.
with three songs that kick ass.
Just want to say they put out anLP in 2022, and I believe these
are their first new songs since.
Okay, to the Rat Cage side.
Dan has always loved and writtenfor this band.
We've talked to him on the pod abunch.
They put out an LP last yearcalled Savage Visions, and it

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was one of those awkward momentson the pod when Dan loves
something and I didn't love it.
It was like a disappointingrecord to me because I thought
it kicked ass the whole waythrough.
Also, Staffan gave me a ton ofshit for not riding for it.
But to me, it just sounded likeit was produced in the lab.
And so much of like the rawnessof the drum sound that needs to

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come through for music like thisjust wasn't there.
Also, I would just want to saythey also put out some songs
last year on a compilationcalled Screaming Death, and
those songs were really good.
So They kind of put out a mix ofstuff for me last year.
But I still have that SavageVisions impression on my head of
not liking how the drums soundedat all.

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And so it's sick when thisrecord comes on and that first
song, Bow to None, starts with abunch of drum fills that sound
great.
The singer just goes, listen.
And it switches to the hi-hat.
And that hi-hat, it sounds soperfect, dude.
The recording he got on thedrums this time around,
especially that crisp-ass hi-hatsound, it sounds so clean and so

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nice.
And all three of these songs,just like the Guffer, they
fucking kick ass.
So it's like two bands, sixsongs, all rippers.
the last thing on the rat cage,that second song has a real nice
chorus.
I'd love to see when a raw punkbands are trying to write
choruses that sick.
You want to sing along, you knowwhat I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (26:14):
So yeah, this is a great effort.
Those weird, like kind of likefrail woes on the Thatcher's
back song too.
So good.
Like, against the other vocalit's it just it sounds so sick
and the thing about geffa it isthat faster db thing but i can
totally hear a lot of verrucasin it too

SPEAKER_05 (26:36):
for sure

SPEAKER_03 (26:36):
they're really like channeling like that style and
it is it's It's just, I don'tknow what they're saying because
it's in Swedish and I love that,you know, that we're from
Sweden, we're going to sing inSwedish and our songs are in
Swedish, et cetera.
And I should take the time toactually see what they're
talking about.
But you can just hear thepolitics happening.

(26:59):
in the music you know the lyricsare political

SPEAKER_05 (27:02):
okay let's go on to the next thing we're going to
talk the band missing link outof new york they just put out an
lp called watch me bleed ontriple b came out in june of
2024 it's been a long time sincewe talked a mosh core record so
i wanted to talk that style alittle bit you know we could
have easily talked the uh thetrail of lies record i think

(27:24):
that's killer too but thismissing link lp it just sounds
savage if you're looking for amosh record that's just riffs
stacked on riffs with a greatsinger, here it is for you.
You know what I mean?
The guitar sounds savage.
That snare tone is nice, cutsthrough.
You can really hear it.
everything.
The recording is just fabulousfor this style.

(27:46):
And again, I got to shout outthe singer's voice.
He just sounds absolutelygnarly, and it's just the
perfect voice for this style.
And this is a record where youcan listen to that first song
and know if you're going to likethe record or not.
You know what I mean?
If you like that first song,you're going to like the record.
If you don't like the firstsong, throw in the towel, dude.
It's not for you, and there'snothing wrong with that.

(28:06):
It's Modern Moshcore.
It's kind of what you'd expect.
It's a mashup of the bands thatare very influential right now,
like Marauder, All Out War,Hunter Demons.
But it's just done really well.
And another thing that I wantedto call out of this that I think
is great is a lot of mosh bandsaren't trying to write catchy
choruses right now.

(28:27):
But this band does have somestuff that's pretty great.
Like on that Scraps for the Dogsong, that song is hard as fuck.
And that is a great song.
mosh hardcore chorus you know imean also i just want to call
out some other moments here uhthe song another cross that
guitar break into the hard assverse riff and then into the

(28:48):
fast part that's sick for mypersonal preference i'd love
more fast parts on heresatisfaction is the death of
desire is like the goat moshrecord you know i mean and i
think that sometimes bands theylean on the mosh part of it and
not on the fast part which issetting up the moshes so this
band does a fast part it's greati wish there was some more of it

(29:08):
also just want to call out thesong i want to kill you part two
that dive bomb over the moshriff part of the beginning so
sick and then whatever is goingon in the verses is just
absolutely crazy i can't reallytell what's going on but it
sounds sick And this song is aminute 46.
So for that style to be bustingout sub two minute songs, that's

(29:29):
what I want to see you do.
That's so ill.
And then lastly, that song, seeyou later.
The lyrics, they kind of soundlike a, like a story, you know,
like almost like you'relistening to a big L song or
something.
So I love that.
And again, mixing in the fast,that's killer.
I wish I could see the lyricsfor this record.
You know, I wish the bands wouldtake the time to, uh, Put him up

(29:49):
on Bandcamp, you know, becauselike this dude on top of his
voice sounding savage, it soundslike a lot of the lyrics on this
record are pretty well thoughtout and that can make a band of
this style stand out.
But.
you know, we're living in thedigital era.
And so like, I'm not seeingwhere they put the lyrics on
like the Spotify thing on mydesktop.
And so I go to the band camp alot for bands and it's an

(30:12):
option.
You can upload the lyrics there.
And I'd like to see that so Ican see what you're singing
about.
Cause like, especially a songlike this, see you later.
The lyrics sound sick.
I want to know what they are.
Dan, what do you think?

SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
So in preparation for these episodes, here's a
little peek behind the, uh, one85 curtain is that we'll make a
playlist and, you know, so it'sall in one spot so we can listen
to these records and, um, thengo so it comes out of the rat
cage and then goes into this andthe first song i was like okay

(30:43):
you know it's a it's all rightit wasn't there was nothing like
stunning and i was like okaythis is like a good moshcore
band and then you get to thenext song new york minute and
then just the catchiness andcharisma of looking at the
window that part who's thatlooking in my window like that's

(31:06):
so great and then from there youget that scraps of the dog song
which is just incredible andthere's just really amazing
creativity within this genrewhich a lot of uh kind of
alluding to what you just talkedabout that a lot of people will
be just satisfied with justhaving hard as fuck riffs and

(31:30):
basically ignorant as fucklyrics to just really emphasize
the Neanderthal caveman aspectof this music.
And this band is reaching for somuch more lyrically, song
structurally, and really puttingin hooks, like lyrical hooks,

(31:53):
putting in musical hooks.
And then the song that theycollab on with Gridiron, that
part where it's like,g-r-i-d-l-i-n-k like the grid
link like that's so cool like iwas like all right that's
fucking sick like that that gotme like really hyped because it

(32:14):
just was like it's a link up oftwo you know two bands two
styles like doing it but thenincorporating the band names and
don't know i just thoughtobviously that's what they were
going for and it was really goodum and before you know it this
record is over and you you'reputting it straight back to
track one and going again andthen the second time you listen

(32:36):
to track one because it's notcoming out of like rat cage it's
hitting in its own right alittle bit harder and it is a
great song and i do like the twodifferent voices on track one
going against each other reallygood i i think this is a top
tier hard as fuck record

SPEAKER_05 (32:53):
yeah dan i'm glad that you called out like the
charisma like that new yorkminute song has a ton of it and
there's a lot of it sprinkledall across the record i don't
love that gridiron collaborationsong like if i never hear
another guest vocal spot i coulddie happy you know i mean like
it kind of cuts up and there isthat guest vocal spot on the
first song at the end like i getit like You know, if you're in a

(33:17):
band of this style, like havingthe first thing or a hundred
demons, like do a guest spot onyour record is like a dream come
true.
And that dude has one of thesickest voices ever for this
genre.
But so does the singer of thisband, dude.
And we got to go back to Nas,right?
My first album had no famousguest appearances.
What next?
I'm proving the best lyricist.

(33:37):
Like sometimes he's got us, youknow, it's like sicker when you
stand on your own.
You know what I mean?
And this dude's got the voice toback it up.
So, yeah, I mean, I could loseall the guest vocal spots,
although he got some big nameson here.
So it's hard to turn that awaybecause I get it.
It's fun to like have friends onyour record.
But you know me, I don't likefun music.
So it is what it is.

(33:58):
Also, there's a six minute songon the end of the record and I
just never listened to it.
So I, I appreciate like, ifyou're going to go for it and do
something like that, like have asix minute song, putting it as
the last track on the record,that's the move.
So much respect.
Right.
Cause like, dude, if that waslike the fifth song on the
record, there's zero chance I'mever buying this on vinyl.

SPEAKER_03 (34:20):
You know what I mean?
It's almost like you consult it.

SPEAKER_05 (34:23):
there you go but everyone that's that missing
link watch me bleed came out ontriple b june 2024

SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
sick artwork too

SPEAKER_05 (34:33):
hell yeah okay let's go on and talk the band is
problems out of oslo norway theyput out a seven inch called beg
for release it came out on adultcrash records in june of 2024
god Damn, Dan, I was listeningto this thing and I was like,
this has got to be my favoriteseven inch of the year.

(34:54):
And so I pulled up what ourfavorites were and I have a few
extras that weren't on our listfrom last month.
My favorite seven inches of thisyear, the echo chamber, that
collateral in La Muerte, themassacred and night feeder.
This is right there.
If not my favorite, I don'tknow, dude, this thing rips.

(35:15):
What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 (35:16):
Yeah, this is, blazing like minor threat-esque
I mean it's taken it to the nextlevel but like on the speed and
the ferocity but the way thatthe singer can do these like
hold out like it almost soundslike what happened to you like
it's got that same like deliverybut my song is the is the title

(35:41):
track that beg for release howit comes in with the just like
the toms and the just the stompof that song oh my god the way
it comes in stomping and then itjust like picks up and then it
has almost like a restrainingorder like vibe to it where it's
tapping into the edges of ofmore like you know street music

(36:03):
like street punk-ish but it'sstill 100% like blazing hardcore
I mean I would like to hear acouple more like that but I love
that when you get this one it'sstanding out because everything
else is just so impactful aroundit but then you get this little
twist where you're like oh can iget one more like that please

(36:26):
but i mean this is this is aphenomenal seven inch

SPEAKER_05 (36:30):
you do get those breakdowns on the end of the
first song of the last song sothat's a mid-tempo shit but
you're right i mean but it is ait's a seven inch, you know what
I mean?
And they did, they did kind ofsequence this thing.
Like it is an LP.
Like the sequencing is prettyfucking brilliant.
One of the things I love aboutthis band is the first 15
seconds of this record is justlike a complete mission
statement.

(36:50):
You know, like the fast drumfills into that yell and then
the guitar riff and then thefast drumming and singing come
in.
Like you just know what thisband is in the first 15 seconds.
And there's like reallysomething to that.
And the singer is just anabsolute wild man.
You know, he sprinkles those asall over the record.
And it's like it's not himtrying to do like a dynamic.

(37:13):
It feels like like it's likepoison idea or something and
he's like melting into madness

SPEAKER_03 (37:19):
it's interesting that you talk about that first
15 seconds because I swear likeimagine you and I were like just
stage potato in this band comesout we didn't know what they're
like they launch into that drumsand with the we'd have to dive

SPEAKER_05 (37:34):
we'd have to it's one of those parts it's one of
those parts yeah the breakdownon repetitive stress is It's so
good.
It's like they add like an extranote that makes it seem a little
weird, but it works.
And then repeating thatrepetitive stress of the end

(37:55):
over and over.
Very anthemic.
It's fucking great.
That second song, Slash.
If you guys remember on the 1981Super 7, I was talking about if
your singer is boring, just lockthem in a room and make them
listen to Lost Cause by NakedApproach 20 times in a row.
This song sounds like the endresult.
If a band did that.
And it's also like the criticalmissing link, this 30 second

(38:17):
blazer.
It's so good.
You know, every band does likethe token mid tempo song, but
like, do they do the 30 secondblazer?
You know, obviously the apex ofthat seven seconds, the song
straight on, but yeah, this isright there.
Love it.
Third song, that song bodyburden.
This is one where he drops thatblah instead of like part of

(38:39):
like the The words on theverses, it is so good, dude.
It's like peak YOLO.
You know what I mean?
Like this singer is just amadman.
Okay, Dan, I knew you were goingto like Big Fur Release the
most.
That's a mid-tempo banger of therecord.
It's right where it should be.
Cuts up the record perfectly.
Fifth song, Wanna Watch.
this is again, you just hear thesinger loses absolute mind.

(39:02):
It's like a descent intomadness.
This song is like the punkequivalent of apocalypse.
Now, like the dude's mind isjust slipping as the fucking
song goes on, you know, justlike that, that movie, the
further you get down the river,the further you like slip into
madness.
Yeah, dude, this thing rips.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't have much more tosay about it, except like it
just rages the whole waythrough.

(39:22):
The pedal never comes off themetal.
And it's probably my favoritehardcore punk seven inch of the
year.
What do you think, dude?

SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
How great is that riff that starts out, Absence of
Choice, the last song?
It just does that really coolriff, and then boom, the song
just explodes and goes.

SPEAKER_05 (39:41):
It might be the best song on the record.
I don't know.
It is so perfect.
It is almost like you get abonus breakdown on it.
You think it's going to rap, andit goes to a different bonus
mosh.
And you don't...
you don't think a band like thisis going to toss that at you
like, Oh, we're going to extendthe breakdown, but they do.
So

SPEAKER_03 (40:01):
the break and the breakdown on this with it, it's
just pure stomp with, and hedoes deliver another.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (40:12):
So, Hey dude.
This guy listens to Rick to Lifejust like we do.
So what's up?

SPEAKER_08 (40:16):
I'm taking it back to the old school because I'm an
old fool.
I'm taking it back to the oldschool because I'm an old fool.

SPEAKER_05 (40:28):
All right, we are going old school and we are
continuing Dan's journey downthe poison idea catalog.
This time we are in 1987.
They put out their LP, War, allthe time.
It came out on Alchemy Records.
There is also a new press ofthis on TKO Records.
It is beautiful, so handlebusiness.

(40:48):
Grab it if it's not in yourcollection.
Dan, how's this stack up in yourjourney?

SPEAKER_03 (40:53):
Well, shout out, Mark, TKO, for hooking us up yet
again with a couple morerecords, just making sure that
we have everything andeverything.
maximum respect.
This one is so good.
I mean, is this going to be justa generic segment now where I
say, wow, Poison Idea is reallygood.

(41:16):
I

SPEAKER_07 (41:17):
never knew.

SPEAKER_03 (41:21):
But yeah, this is so good.
The tone of this band at thispoint in time is so perfect.
The bass tone especially like atthe start of their Motorhead
cover.
Oh my God.
I used to think like Craig'sbass tone on Scratch the Surface

(41:42):
might be the most epic bass toneof all time, but the bass tone
on this is so good.
And the playing on this coupledwith Jerry's ability to be
nonchalant at a precision level.
Do you know what I mean?

(42:02):
When he's doing the, almost thechatty style vocal on a couple
of the songs where it's like,yeah, I don't really...
It's done with absoluteprecision because when it
changes gear to just Hammer, itjust makes the other vocal, when
it raises the game on that song,so good.

(42:25):
His voice sounds amazing on thisLP.
And I like the slightly darkertone that is allowed to...
come out a little bit more asthis recording is so good and
the fact that they're not i meanthe drumming is still
unbelievable it's still so likeyou know the most top tier it

(42:48):
can be but the speed compared towhat we've already had in the
catalog has just temperedslightly to where you can hear a
lot more of a I would say like amelancholy tone or more just
like a negative twist to a tone.
Like it's absolutely just great.

(43:12):
And I'm never really a fan ofsoloing that much.
But this band, I could listen toevery single solo all the time
because they're not done to...
There's no wanking.
It's just like, oh, I've got theperfect 15 seconds.
Get ready.
Favorite songs.

(43:36):
I really like Push the Button.
I really love Ritual Chicken.
That sounds like someone'splaying Phantom of the Opera in
the dead room.
in the Deadwood Saloon, almost.
You know, that piano that breaksit up.
The Motörhead cover is so good.

(43:57):
I think my favorite track on theLP is Steel Rule.
I really like the looping of thesample that almost gets you into
a...
You're just anticipating what'scoming next, and then the song
Steel Rule that comes in.
is just so good, and the lyricsto it, absolutely great.

(44:20):
The lyrics all over this LP areincredible, but the ability to
talk about, well, the first linesays it all, there's no
cooperation in the megeneration, greed-fueled
self-dictation, downfall of thenation, and this was 87.
Look at what we're dealing withnow.

SPEAKER_05 (44:41):
Jesus.
Gary A., a prophet, dude.
Yeah.
100%

SPEAKER_03 (44:45):
because look what we're doing now when okay I rode
Bart to work today and everyonelike I looked up because I was
listening to this song on Bartand I looked up every single
person bar maybe two in a packedpacked packed train thing
everybody face down in their ownphones and then so I'm you know

(45:12):
looking up and I'm going oh Thisis exactly what this song is
saying, but tenfold.
And then there was a little oldlady that had got on, and she
was getting up to get off at thenext stop, and the train jerked
a little bit, and her heavy asfuck shopping cart, one of those

(45:35):
ones that old ladies pull downthe road, fell and smashed me
right in the kneecap.
And I was like...
And I was like, because I'm notpart of the me generation, I'm
not going to yell at you.
But,

SPEAKER_05 (45:50):
you

SPEAKER_03 (45:51):
know, what an incredible achievement that this
band can just evolve and put outgreat records.
And I wonder, how was this onereceived at the time, do you
think?

SPEAKER_05 (46:04):
I was seven years old, so I don't know.
We'll have to ask Jerry.
But yeah, I loved it.
I'm glad you say that, dude,because I don't love this one.
So this is, you know, the secondproper LP, I guess, because I
mean, Pick Your King has enoughsongs to be an LP, but it's on a

(46:24):
seven inch record collectors isa 12 inch EP.
Kings of Punk is a proper LP.
And this is a follow up.
And I think this is a sophomoreslump kind of I still think it
kicks ass.
And I think that.
Maybe I'm being unfair to it.
Like it's being graded on acurve, you know, just because
everything leading up to this,including the comp tracks have

(46:47):
been like totally perfect.
So in that aspect, like it's,it's unfair to look at this so
critically because like, If thiswas the second Circle 1 LP, I'd
be like, God damn, Circle 1second LP is way better than the
first.
You know what I mean?
But it's following up Kings ofPunk, and I know what's to come.

(47:08):
You know what I mean?
I know that the next EPs they doare some of the best Poison Idea
stuff, and I know that Feel theDarkness is still coming.
That's insane.
So this sitting between Kings ofPunk and that stuff, I can't
look at it without that I don'tknow, without grading on a
curve.
And it's just, it's not as goodas the other ones.

(47:28):
Dan, you called out that darkertone.
You're 100% right.
And again, I'm glad you lovethat.
I think that just crossovers inthe air, and even though they're
still 100% hardcore punk, it'sjust...
So prevalent in 85 and 86.
And then this is like their 87record.
And if you listen to it,sometimes it almost sounds like

(47:50):
pig champion is speed picking alittle bit, but not palm muting
it.
And so I think that a little ofthat is bleeding in.
Also, they get a new drummer.
So Dean Johnson's gone.
The Slayer hippie is in.
And I kind of wonder if maybetechnically this dude is a
better drummer.
And maybe pig champion is liketranscending being a great

(48:13):
hardcore punk guitarist.
And now he's just like a greatguitarist.
And so you kind of, you get twosuper, super talented dudes in a
room and maybe they just try tofancy some of this stuff up too
much.
Almost everything I think couldbe cut down a little bit.
Like everything's just, it'sgetting a little longer.
And then there's just a fairamount of filler on this thing.

(48:35):
So again, I, Dan, you're lovingthe stuff that I'm not loving.
So that's great.
It goes to show that maybe I'mjust being too much of a
negative Nancy on this.
But dude, that minute-longsample on that steel rule is
like needles on a chalkboard tome.
I fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:53):
But it's brand new to me.
I think that's the beauty ofthis thing is that I'm just
going in blind.
And then the other thing...
How about that lead that comesin 10 seconds into Hot Time?

SPEAKER_05 (49:08):
It's great.
It's so good.
There's moments all over thisrecord.
It's Poison Idea, dude.
They are maybe the best hardcorepunk band of all time.
You know, when you're looking atthe complete catalog.
But there's no giant hit on thisrecord that I need to go back
to.
And almost every song hassomething where it's like, ah,

(49:30):
they could have trimmed that.
And the record just has so muchthat i'd trim too like i talked
about that sample motorheadcover totally pointless plus
it's so good i don't know theyplay it too fast and like poison
idea you're talking about anultimate in the pocket band
motorhead ultimate in the pocketband and it just it's too fast

(49:50):
it loses like that feeling oflike what that song is and then
that ritual chicken again likeanother minute waste it's
terrible dude it's fuckingterrible Let people express
themselves.
That's true.
That's true.
Like I said, I'm being anegative Nancy here.
So that is what it is.
Also, the last thing that I'llcomplain about, and I will say
this made sense at the time.

(50:11):
So in 87, they rerecord thatsong.
Typical.
That was on the 1984 compilationcleanse of bacteria.
So if that comes out of print atthis time, that's, That song is
like a thing in their set list.
They re-recorded it for this.
So that's cool.
But it gets put on like thelater presses of the record
collectors are pretentiousassholes.
But I believe the first timethat it gets put on that is in

(50:33):
89.
So this is two years beforethat.
But, you know, listen, thisrecord is just there's a handful
of things that I want to skip.
And I'm that has never happenedin the poison idea catalog up to
this point.
So that's that.
The last thing I want to say isjust Jerry A's vocals on this
are so good.
So like lyrically and hisdelivery is out of this world.

(50:57):
Like he is at the top of hisgame still.
I mean, he was on the firstseven inch dude.
He like never loses it, butthere's some moments on here.
You know, I was talking aboutthe problem stuff before, like
Jerry has like a, full descentinto madness on some of the
songs here like the verses onthat song murderer that's
probably my favorite song on therecord and the verses are just

(51:21):
out of control it's like whatthe fuck is going on here this
is insane music it's the mostinsane music on the planet and
sign me up i absolutely love ityou know i mean so again there's
moments on this record that areout of this world But as a
whole, I don't know.
It's my least favorite of the80s for them, for sure.

(51:44):
Dan, final thoughts on this andfinal thoughts on the stuff we
talked about today.

SPEAKER_03 (51:49):
I love that you picked out Murderer because I
think those lyrics are top tiertoo.
And I think the way that theguitars, like the way the song
comes in, like the first fiveseconds, it sounds like it could
be Maiden, like on Killers orIron Maiden self-titled, like
straight up.
so good um i really enjoy doingthis project because i i have

(52:16):
steered clear until we're readyto do a record and then i go for
it just fresh you know so umalthough you know everyone once
this project started everyonewas reaching out to me going oh
it's all about you know feel thedarkness wait to you know feel
the dark i'm like I'll take itwhen it comes.

(52:39):
No spoilers, no spoilers, youknow?
So I'm really enjoying it.
So I think that's why we, Imean, we also have different
tastes, but still very similartastes.
So that's why I think this doingthis, project the way it is is
really interesting and fun

SPEAKER_05 (52:58):
we got a shout out mark again because it's nice for
you to be diving into theserecords the first time and being
able to just sit there andlisten to them on vinyl right so
i know you're listening to themon bart and shit but to really
take it in dropping the needleand like focusing on the record
it's a great way to take thingsin especially when you know like
these are mostly universallyloved records so like they're

(53:20):
worth your time drop that needlelisten the whole thing right

SPEAKER_03 (53:24):
Yeah, and sitting on the couch while the record plays
with the lyric sheet in hand,you know, what an experience.
It's the way it's meant to be.

SPEAKER_05 (53:33):
Yeah, and this is one that is great to read the
lyrics to.
All of Jerry's stuff is just outof this world.
Also, just on the murder thingbefore you wrap up, Dan, did you
see that there was a dude inMississippi arrested for three
murders that he did in Oxnard in1977?
No.
Yeah, so...
No shout out to that murdererwho murdered some ladies in

(53:56):
Oxnard in 77, but that's insanethat he got caught just now.
Did

SPEAKER_03 (54:02):
Fred Hammer crack the case?

SPEAKER_05 (54:05):
Possibly.
Possibly.
You know what I mean?
They pulled his DNA off an It'sAlive fanzine.

SPEAKER_03 (54:12):
This has been great to talk all this music.

SPEAKER_05 (54:16):
Where can the people find you, Dan?

SPEAKER_03 (54:18):
I DJ every 4th Friday in San Francisco at the
cat club for club leisure, whichis a Brit pop night.
And I DJ every third Friday atthe whistle stop for fucking in
the bushes.
And then on Saturday for all youolds out there, all you people

(54:38):
who always go, Oh, it's toolate, blah, blah, blah.
I'll be doing a Northern soulnight, but it's actually
starting at 4 PM.
So it's going to be an eveningdance party at the whistle stop
on Saturday, the 17th, of Augustand I'm going to be playing all
Northern soul and upbeat Motownall 45s.
Everyone come out all SanDiegans, all Southern

(55:00):
Californians listening to this.
Come on out.
It's going to be really fun.
Bring your talcum powder, throwit on the dance floor and do
some spins.

SPEAKER_05 (55:08):
Oh yeah.
Everyone.
There's a playlist for everyepisode, 185 miles south.com.
Click that playlist link at thetop of the page, or just find us
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SPEAKER_00 (55:24):
Hey, S-H-A-T-E, hey!

SPEAKER_05 (55:46):
All right.
I'm joined with Paul Bakia,a.k.a.
Paul Cripple of Reagan Youth.
What's up, dude?
How are you?
How's everything?
Dude, I'm doing pretty good.
Thank you.
What year did you get into punkand what was the first band that
you connected with?

SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
The late 70s is when I got into punk.
A few of my school friends gotinto it along with me.
We made trips from the outerboroughs into Manhattan to go to
clubs.
And that was like the late 70s,like 78, 79.

SPEAKER_05 (56:19):
What clubs would you go into?
And like, what were the mainbands that you guys were excited
about seeing?

SPEAKER_01 (56:24):
CBGB, Max's Kansas City.
And I remember seeing the firstband I saw was this band called
Shrapnel.
I was just happy to be able togo out to a club.

SPEAKER_05 (56:36):
Yeah.
What was the scene like in NewYork City in like 79?
Like, can you, can you kind ofpaint the picture as best as you
can?

SPEAKER_01 (56:43):
It was, it was nice.
It was, it seemed like it, therewere a bunch of people who
didn't want to hang out in theirschoolyard, which show up to go
to a club in Manhattan.
That's what you were kind oflooking for.
Like people who just weren'tinto staying at home, but
wanting to go out and basicallychase some adventure out there,

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you know?
And, uh, See some new things andnot just, you know, going to
Madison Square Garden and seeingQueen and Kiss, but actually
going to a place that, you know,was more endearing, I think, at
that time for people to likefrequent as opposed to like some

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humongous venue, you know, somestadium or, you know, Madison
Square Garden, places like that.
And I remember going to seebands like Aerosmith and Ted
Nugent and Journey andMetalance.
And that shit was just too big,too impersonal.
They just seemed so tiny and sofar away.

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It was kind of strange.

SPEAKER_05 (57:50):
Do you have a specific memory of an early show
that you went to at CB's orMax's?

SPEAKER_01 (57:55):
I really don't because after a while it seemed
like I was there every weekend.
That's what it seemed like aftera certain amount of time.
And I've seen a lot ofinteresting things and, you
know, a lot of interesting bandsthat happen.
I can't really pick anythingout, you know, as, you know,
something amazing.

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It's great seeing, you know, theBeastie Boys or, you know,
Murphy's Law when they firststarted and the Gnostic Front.
And there's a bunch of bandsthat, you know, you could
just...
bring up, but they all kind ofblur into one, one big sameness
because of the, the, the venueand the scene and everything

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like that.

SPEAKER_05 (58:41):
Yeah.
Can you talk about like thattransitional time period kind of
between that original New Yorkcity punk scene?
And then when hardcore takesover, there's kind of like that,
there's a transition, right?
With the bands, like thestimulators and kraut and the
mad, and then Reagan youthstarted in 1981.

SPEAKER_01 (58:57):
Yeah.
I think, Back then, I think youwanted something more raw,
something faster, somethingdirtier, something grungier.
I don't know what adjectives Icould use, but definitely
something louder and faster is agood description.

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You've got to hand it to me, tothe stimulators.
It's a good description.
way of uh approaching your musicmaking it louder and faster than
somebody else's you know and uhand that's what um hardcore
became it became a louder fasterversion of punk rock and uh i'm

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glad my band you know abided bythat and i definitely felt that
that was the way to go whenyou're doing your music make it
louder make it faster My drummerwasn't sounding so good on like
one of my last tours.
And I yelled at him, please playlouder and faster.
And he shook out the cobwebsfrom his, you know, from his

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antidepressants or whatever.
And he played louder and faster,made everything better.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:19):
Well, that was nice of you to say, please, you know,
so.
Got to do what you got to do.
That's right.
How does Reagan Youth gettogether?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:28):
We were little kids, and we always talked about being
in a band.
We were kids, and we likedalbums, and we liked music.
It was the 70s.
There were a lot of...
There was a lot going onmusically, especially for white
boy rock, when you're talkingabout all these rock bands that
were out at the time.

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I remember Dave wasdefinitely...
It'd be paper mache class, andhe would make Emerson Lake and
Palmer's Tarkus, that armadillotank.
He made an armadillo tank inpaper mache class.
He definitely had that on hismind, and I loved that, that he

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knew so much about music, and itseemed like he knew more than my
older sister did, and she wasalways pushing...
you know, how I should knowmusic.
And I guess it was, you know, ifyou wanted to be considered cool
or not, you should definitelyknow what was up with that day's

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music, you know, with the times,you know, what kids thought was
cool and what kids thoughtwasn't cool.
I definitely was with the cliqueof kids that thought punk rock
was cool.
And I felt it was...
It was definitely something thatI had a lot of fun getting

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involved with a bunch of myfriends and playing in a band.
It was very students in school,wanted to do something besides
go to school all the time.
So we asked that guy from thatother junior high school that

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we're in high school now with,hey, you want to play drums with
us?
And we just became more and moreserious with it.
And we practiced for about ayear.
We'd go to studios and justspend money and just practice
until we sound, well, I guessuntil David thought we sounded

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tight enough or good enough togo perform live.
So yeah, we were taking itserious.
We didn't just show up one dayand we're like, poof, we were
good like that.
We practiced at it for a goodyear or so before we started
performing live.
We went to Forest Hills HighSchool and we knew the Ramones

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had gone there too.
And we were like, hey, if theycould fucking accomplish that
shit, then why can't we?
Why can't we just fucking...
strum guitars and come up withfucking catchy songs and you
know what maybe we could fuckinggo out there and play some
fucking clubs and uh it was itwas nice knowing that it

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happened before you know in myschool and before that Simon and
Garfunkel went there you know soI guess it's always had some
kind of musical fuckingconnotations my high school and
um I kind of never reallythought about it, but it was
just nice that I was able toconnect with Andy, the bass

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player.
He was always practicing with meand showing me stuff and
introducing me to better guitarplayers in our neighborhood and
stuff like that.
We definitely took it seriously.
is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:04):
What was your practice space like at that
time?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:06):
Sometimes we'd take the amps from Andy's apartment
and put them in his parkinggarage and just set up the amps
there.
And you had a lot more room inthe parking garage, obviously,
even though there were carseverywhere.
But you could get loud.
You could get really loud there.

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And we would practice how we'dlook on stage and We just, like,
you know, have amps loud andlook at each other and practice
the set.
I mean, that's what we didsometimes.
Or our friends who had a house,we'd go to their garage and, you
know, set up the drums, theguitar, the bass, and, you know,

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probably put the mic through abass amp or some shit like that.
I doubt we even had a PA in thevery beginning.
But we...
We definitely liked to go tostudios.
It was very convenient.
And, you know, we'd go fromQueens into Manhattan or

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sometimes even Brooklyn to likerent a studio space for like two
or three hours.
And it was nice.
You know, you had a room toyourselves and you could drink a
quart of beer and smoke weed andjust, you know, go over to sets.
until it sounded tight enough.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:30):
Yeah, you do a few demos.
You do a 1981 demo and you do an82 demo.
You said you demoed before youplayed a show.
So what's the order here?
I guess I should ask, when wasthe first Reign Youth show?

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:43):
Back in the day when we used to go to 171A, that was
a studio where Jerry Williamswas running the studio.
And he'd allow us to makerecordings there and he'd give
them to like NYU noise to showand shit like that.
He would give those recordingsto radio programs and stuff like

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that.
Sometimes Jerry Williams is alsoa sound man at CBs whenever we
played CBs.
So it was like kind of havingyour personal sound man.
You already knew what yousounded like.
He was like the engineer on yourrecord.
I mean, you know, he's going toknow what you sound like when
you play live.
And he's the sound man, youknow, at Seabees.

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And Dave used to ask him to comeover to Great Gildersleeves
because it was across the streetfrom Seabees so he could do
sound for us there.
You know, he liked having thatperson that knew our material
and knew where everything went.
So, you know, it's nice havingeverything come together at that

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time when we were playing shows.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:58):
Why does it take so long for the 12-inch to come
out?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:01):
It was like a real stickler for, you know, he
wanted everything to be perfect.
We got a new drummer and a newbass player and that took some
time.
and then when we finallyreleased it he only released it
as a seven song ep in thebeginning and then when it got

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re-released he released it withthree extra songs and it became
an album that came out rightbefore the second album came out
um they were put out by the samelabel and they kind of were
supposed to come out you know umat the same time, but it just

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didn't work out that way.
Sometimes the best ideas, thebest intentions don't work out,
unfortunately.
And unfortunately, it could besuch mundane things like drugs
and other things that just leadto something just not working

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out.
the way you hoped it would haveworked out one day.
Yeah, but I guess that's like,you know what?
You know, that's just life.
That's just how things work out.
You know what I mean?
At least the band was able toput out a couple of records in
its lifetime.
And it's two records in likeeight years of being in the band

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isn't a good fucking trackrecord.
But it's all we could havemustered, I guess.
And that's, you know...
You got whatever we were able tocome up with in an eight-year
period.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:45):
Yeah, but most bands don't put out a 12-inch as good
as that first one that you guysdo, right?
So it doesn't kind of matteranything else you guys do.
You put out one of the greatestpunk records of all time.
Ah, thank you.
So that record was a splitrelease.
It was self-released, and itwas...

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split with R-Radical Records,which is Dave Dichter from MDC.
How did you meet him and how didthat all come about?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:11):
We met them when they came to New York and then
when we went out to California,that's where we got our advance
from R-Radical and it wasthrough Dave Dichter.
They're very sweet and they tookcare of business.

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Dave Dichter and the bassplayer.
Oh, my God, I can't believe Ican't.
Franco, I think I forgot hisname.
And the drummer is very sweet.
I ran into him recently.
And that was just such a longtime ago.
And it's nice that you had thatkind of, you know, East Coast,

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West Coast connection that wewere able to.
come out on a record and it wasbased on the West Coast.
Because I always liked the WestCoast and it's just as important
as the East Coast, the coast I'mfrom.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:12):
Yeah.
So in 84, you come out and youdo a tour on that record.
You play a bunch of NorCalshows.
But when you come down south,you play the Olympic Auditorium
with Dead Kennedy's BGK RawPower.
Do you remember anything aboutthat show?
Because those Olympic shows arereally famous.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:29):
Yeah, they were humongous.
I remember seeing eight pitsgoing on simultaneously on the
floor.
They didn't have an orchestra.
There were no seats.
They were just one humongousslam band smosh pit.
Guys would get up on stage andjump off the stage and land on

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someone and just pummel theliving crap out of them.
I've seen a lot of Prettyinsane, violent acts when that
show was going on.
And it was nice that I got toplay one of those shows.
And they even made a videotapeof us playing it.

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So it was nice that we got toplay that Olympic Auditorium
venue.
And that...
that we got to play thatinternational night with Reistat
from Finland, also playedSolution Mortel.

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I didn't say that right, fromMexico.
I remember they played rightafter us.
And yeah, BGK, there were, youknow, Dead Kennedys.
It was...
It was a nice lineup, and I'mglad we were part of it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:51):
Yeah, you called out the stage diving.
Was that not a thing in New Yorkby 84?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:55):
Wait, say that one more time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:56):
You called out the people jumping off the stage.
Was that not a thing in New Yorkin 1984?
That

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
was, but I never saw a venue as big as the Olympic
Auditorium on the East Coast.
Like that was definitely when,when I got out West in 84, I got
to see how much bigger, youknow, and the live shows were
just definitely more exciting onthe West coast than I had seen
up in the tri-state area.

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And I got down as far as likeVirginia beach and stuff like
that.
You know, um, it never equaledwhat I was seeing on the West
coast.
I thought that was like, youknow, um, a bigger and better
version of where I was from.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:43):
The guitar tone that you have on the 12-inch is one
of the greatest punk tones ever.
Do you remember what gear youwere playing?
And really, what do youattribute to that recording
coming out so good?
I

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:57):
think it was Dave being a stickler for how it
should sound.
He would ask me to play it againand again.
At this time, it'd be micplacement or moving the Marshall
somewhere or having it godirectly from the board to give

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it a metallic distortion.
We were just trying a millionand one things until we got the
most filthiest thing.
sound possible.
And Jerry Williams was a bigpart of it.
The engineer, he, you know, cameup with a lot of ideas because

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it's not like me and Daveactually had ideas.
We just knew it didn't, it couldhave sounded dirtier.
No, it could sound dirtier.
It could, let's see if he couldget it sounding even dirtier
than that, you know?
And, um, I always thought thetone, the setting, that you set
your amp and the volume and theknobs on your guitar and on your

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amp, those are very importantwhen you want to go out and make
music.
Whether you're playing live orrecording, you want as filthy
and dirty as the sound aspossible.
I always thought that wasimportant.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:22):
What else do you remember about that recording
session?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:24):
I know there was a lot of arguing with the bass
player, Al Pike, and Dave.
Steve was a real trooper.
He was a great drummer.
He was just verystraightforward.
And his playing is immaculate onthat record.
Al's recording, his bass getskind of lost at times.

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He would stop playing in themiddle of a song.
He would do things like thatthat used to drive Dave crazy.
Like, can't you just play?
entire song without stopping andlike you know making a you know
a bass or whatever or complaintsand i mean that's sometimes
people do that and it didn'tseem like you had any rhyme or

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reasons doing it and um it wasvery disheartening that you
couldn't have like all fourmembers clicking together as
one, but we did the best wecould.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:22):
How was the 12 inch received at the time when it
came out, like amongst yourfriends and amongst fans of the
band?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:29):
Um, I, I remember, um, wondering what people
thought about it.
And Dave, um, showed me somereviews that he found and they
seem to be positive.
They all seem to be very, uh,Very receptive to the recording
and people were definitelydigging it.

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And some of them actuallythought of the recording as
being essential.
So I was like, ooh, good work tohave associated with your
recording.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:01):
But did you see a difference on the ground before
and after the record came out?
Do you feel like your popularityas a band swelled at all?

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:09):
I think...
our audience actually becamemore familiar with lyrics,
especially.
And I started noticing peoplewhen you brought up my band,
they didn't just repeat theband's name, but they actually
would say lyric to a song, youknow, that's, that's how they

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would respond like Reagan youth.
Oh, shit.
We are the sons of Reagan.
Ah, we must get a little big andtall, you know, like they
actually knew, uh, the, thewords to the songs now.
And, uh, I thought that was, uh,uh, a big difference that people
were actually getting a hold ofDave's, um, lyrics.

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Cause he was a great lyricist.
I, I always thought a

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:54):
hundred percent.
There's so many classic New Yorkhardcore 7-inches that come out
in this time.
Why do you guys decide to do a12-inch instead?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:03):
Because I guess we were able to, and that's where
we were at musically at thattime, I would imagine.
And it just all kind of...
at what we were trying to do atthat moment.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:21):
So there's a prestige associated with it.
Like a 7-inch is kind of asingle stepping stone to an LP
and you felt like you were an LPband at the time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:28):
Yeah, I guess that.
You could look at it that way,yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:32):
What was the scene in New York like in 84 and how
do you feel it was differentfrom, let's say, 81 to 84?
It

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:41):
seemed like it was a bit older and definitely a bit
bigger and a little bit morewith a metal scene melding into
it, coming into the punk scene.
So that's the difference in 84from the beginnings of 1981.

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You definitely had a lot morepeople showing up and people
from a different musical scenethat that never seemed to mix
and match with the punk scene,but now seemed to have gotten a

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good hold of it and became partof it after a while.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:29):
Because Agnostic Front's crossover record is 86
and the Crumbsuckers as well,but you feel like metal was
already there in 84?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:37):
Yeah, and it just took bands a couple of years to
put out records that were theirmetal records.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:44):
What happens with Reagan Youth in the years
between the 12-inch in 84 andthe Volume 2 cassette that came
out in 88?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:51):
You know what?
We were still playing, not asmuch.
But we were playing, and then wedid go to California one more
time in like 87, and that was alot of fun.
And Dave and I, we were going todo a new band, a band afterwards
called House of God, and weweren't going to be kids taking

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on...
politics but grown-ups taking onreligion and it was going to be
like Jimmy Falwell fronting LedZeppelin and we had a lot of
grandiose ideas and it wouldhave been fun if we were able to
have gotten done it but umthat's where our head was at at
that time and when volume twocame uh it came time to record

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those songs uh Dave and I werelike let's just take every song
we ever did as reagan youth thatdidn't show up on the first
record to show up on this oneand so all those songs were once
uh played by us at you knowclubs and venues uh at uh

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hardcore punk shows even likeone holy bible that song was
like uh we played that at ourvery first show at a7 like we
got i remember um the bassplayer from the mad uh screaming
matt george came up to me andtold me how much he liked that
descending bass line from OneHoly Bible.

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So it's like, yeah, all thosesongs were definitely Reggae
Neats songs that we played forthe kids in the hardcore scene.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:29):
What was Dave Insurgent like as a person?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:31):
He was very intense.
He was very smart.
I looked up to him.
I thought he was somethingbrilliant about him.
He could be very, very, veryintense to the point where it
could overwhelm you at times.

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And, you know, he overwhelmed meat moments.
But I always appreciated havinghim around.
He was a great teacher.
He was a great friend.
He was a great person that Ilooked up to and loved.
I'm glad I got to know him theway I did.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:14):
Do you think he's like a Darby crash type figure,
like highly intelligent, but youknow, has a

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:20):
just highly intelligent, but unfortunately
flawed in some way.
And yeah, I remember someonetold me that they, they talked
to someone that knew Darby crashand they had like similar things
to what I had to say about Davethat, yeah, they were very
brilliant.

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But unfortunately, they hadthat, you know, shortcoming of
falling in with drugs and notbeing able to negotiate a life
through that, which is very sad.
But it happened to a lot ofpeople.
Drugs have made better peoplethan you and I, like, you know,
buckle and buck up and all thesethings.

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And I pray that I never...
never, you know, ever have toexperience anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Also they were both great poets,right?
Great with their lyrics.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:15):
Amazing with their words.
Amazing with their words.
My God, their, their lyrics,their lyrics were incredible.
I thought both of them.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:26):
Yeah.
Paul, are you comfortabletelling the story leading up to
Dave's untimely death?
Because it's a pretty crazystory.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:33):
Yeah.
It's kind of crazy.
david um uh when he went in torecord the final uh you know
lyrics volume two and he sangevery song like twice that night
you know so we'd have uh aversion of him you know on on

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that record because he'd beenblowing off so many um so many
uh um recording uh And we had topay for it.
It was very embarrassing at thetime.
So Dave came in and did that.
And when he went home, a drugdealer he owed money to was

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waiting for him and fucked himup to the point where Dave ended
up in a hospital and had to geta frontal lobotomy.
And this is according to Dave.
That's what Dave told me.
It's only a frontal lobotomy.
Okay.
It's like, okay, Dave, it's onlya frontal lobotomy.
So he was never the same afterthat.

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And then when he did drugs andhaving that brain operation,
that just made him weaker andnot in good form at all.
And he just kept slipping awayuntil he ended up having a

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relationship with thisprostitute who ended up going
off with a serial killer whoended up dismembering his
girlfriend's body.
And around the same time, hisfather backs out of the garage
and hits his mom, and his momends up dying of internal

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bleeding.
It was just very sad the wayeverything happened.
And I remember him coming overto my place and telling me,
about his dad and about JoelRifkin and his girlfriend.
And he ended up eating, I think,something like 40 Ella bills.
And he wrote a suicide note thathis father ended up having the

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police give to his lawyer andhis lawyer put it away and stuff
like that.
I never got to hear or see whatDave wrote on a suicide note.
note or anything like that.
But it definitely was suicide.
And that's just a hell of a wayfor things to end.

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And it was very depressing forme.
I don't know how else to put it,but it was very depressing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:20):
Did you ever speak with his father?

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:22):
Yeah, but his father was always weirded out by me
thinking I ruined his son bybringing that punk rock and roll
to his son, and if it wasn't forme, David would never be in a
stupid band, blah, blah, blah.
It's all my fault, blah, blah.
Why did Paul have to be here andruin my son?

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My son, why is he listening tothis guy?
That's how his father viewed me.
And it was very frustratingtrying to have a normal
conversation with the guy.
from my point of view.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:02):
What do you think the legacy of Reagan Youth is?

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:05):
I think it's, we kind of like, you know, pointed
out that fascism can and willindeed happen.
And it's a lot closer to homethan, you know, a lot of people
like to admit.
And I think it's becoming ratherapparent, especially in these
days and the times we're livingin.

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So, yeah, it's kind of, It'skind of something like, you know
what, beware.
If you don't keep an eye out onevil, evil will come and make
its presence known.
And then you're stuck with afucking evil lifestyle.
So good luck to mankind,humankind, may I say.

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Good luck to mankind andwomankind alike.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:53):
Paul, where can the people find you if they want to
follow you or get in touch?

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:56):
I'm going to have someone answer that.
Her name is Beatrice.
Here, Beatrice, answer that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:01):
You can just email us, breakingnewfinyc at
gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:05):
We have a website, too.
Perfect.
We have a website.
Either way.
We make it easy for people.
We make it easy for people.
Message us on Instagram or emailfrom the website's email.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:20):
Yeah, it's reagan-youth.com.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:24):
I know.
It's the dash.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:27):
I love a dash.
I love a dash.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:29):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:29):
someone took that domain name.
So what can you do?
What can you do?
Just add Dash, that's all.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:36):
Paul, thanks so much for your time.
Anything else you want to addbefore we get out

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:40):
of here?
No, but I want to thank you forspending time.
And I do have some new musicthat I have coming out.
And hopefully you guys will getto hear it rather soon.
Like within...
maybe six months or so.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:57):
Awesome.
Looking forward to it.
Thank you so much for your time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:00):
All right.
Thank you.