249. January 2025 (Joe D. Foster / Ignite / Unity)

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Let's jump right into it.
Kevin, you were there.
Let's get an FYA report, dude.
What was going on?

SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
So this year, new venue, obviously, and it was
crazy.
I think that this was– I mean–This was easily, there's no
thinking, it was easily thebiggest one.
There was like 2,500 peoplethere each day.
And the new venue was prettyperfect for it.
It was very big.
There's enough room foreverybody.
There's enough room to walkaround outside and stuff.

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So it was pretty much a win fromthat perspective.
The vibe was just on.
And I think that Everybody wasreally happy with how the
weekend went.
And overall, it was awesome.
I think the biggest thing comingout of the weekend that me and a
lot of my friends and almosteverybody that I talked to was
that it feels like kind of whatwe call roots hardcore, just

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like the normal hardcore stuffis really kind of coming back.
I think one thing that's kind ofimportant to realize, especially
as you get older and stuff inthis, is that a lot of kids...
Kids are going to interprethardcore different ways, and
they are going to reactdifferent ways, and things are
going to be weird.

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And how kids act with hardcoreis not going to be exactly the
same way that you grew up withit or that I grew up with it.
But if you just accept thatthere's going to be things that
you don't understand, but if youcan just see that the enthusiasm
is there and stuff, I think thatlike– Yeah.

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Exactly the etiquette or what isnormal.
So as long as you just get pastthat, I mean, there were bands
covering Straight Ahead allweekend that got big reactions
and Breakdown and Youth of Todayand a Project X cover got big
reactions and stuff.
You know, it's like all thisstuff, people...
younger kids are open to, orthey know, or they want to know,

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or even if there's a cover theydon't know, they'll be moshing
to it and be excited about it.
And I think that that is justkind of showing how healthy
things are right now.
And that, especially like yousaid in the beginning, where the
next year feels like it could bea special year, I think that's
going to be one of the thingsthat helps do that is just how
healthy into and accepting ofjust all types of hardcore

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people are or people are into,you know?
So, and, and that goes into someof the biggest sets of the
weekend.
I mean, we can go into some ofthe highlights of the bands.
I think, especially as far asthe roots hardcore stuff goes,
the collateral set this weekendwas absolutely just so
unbelievably awesome.
They opened with never had it bymad ball.

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And then they ended the set withthe mosh part coming back to the
never had it.
Which was like, dude, it was socool.
Of course, I didn't see itcoming at all.
And when they started playing itagain, I'm just like, that is
just the coolest way to startand end a set.
Coming back, wrapping it all up.

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And then, dude, there werehundreds of people two-stepping
and moshing the collateral.
It felt like the whole room wasmoshing.
And it was just like...
It made me so excited.
I watch a lot of the fest fromthe stage, but Collateral is one
that I had to be on the floorfor.
And it was just– the feeling wasjust there and it felt so good.

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And it was just like– it wasjust so awesome.
I was really– I was excited tosee them.
We talked at the year-endepisode about how last year's
FYA, they were awesome.
And this year was just– I mean,it pulverized last year, so it
was just unbelievable.
So I think that that's going tobe one that people come away
from it.
Even if you didn't know them,you would think that it was

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awesome.
But let's be real.
I mean, that record really tookoff, and so many people knew
them.
And it took off in a reallyorganic, natural way.
It was just, this record ishere, and it's awesome, and
everybody liked it.

SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
Yeah.
I mean, universally loved,right?
It's like the demo was so goodtwo years ago, and then last
year, that 7-inch, so sick.
Yeah, I saw the video.
It looked...
It looked insane.
And there were a lot of likeroots, hardcore bands this year.
Like that steamroll set lookedout of hand.
How was that?

SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Dude, steamroll set was really awesome too.
They opened with the everybodyeverywhere, tear this place down
into straight ahead.
And, uh, like so many peopleknew the straight ahead song,
which like, of course it'sstraight ahead, but a year or
two ago, band covering straightahead.
That's not happening, you know?
So, um, Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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What felt like the whole room,like everybody there early was
moshing to them.
And right away, I was just like,oh, we're onto something here.
So you went right from themright into steamroll and then
Ozone and then Face the Pain,like all to start.
And then Alienator after that.
So it was all just like, bam,bam, bam, just straightforward
hardcore bands.
just the start.
And it really set the vibe ofthe whole weekend.

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I think it was awesome.
Cause then like face the pain,they, they played and you know,
they're more youth group bandand they had a great reaction
to, and they did a block offloor punch changes into dance
floor justice and dance floorjustice got a crazy reaction.
It got a great reaction.
I mean, I don't even know ifI've ever seen anybody cover
that.
The only project X song peoplecover straight edge revenge and

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a dance floor justice got agreat pop and people were really
into face the pain in general.
And they were awesome.
And then alienator, it was rightafter that and like they
completely I think they startedplaying and people didn't know
what to expect from them butthey looked so cool and just as
the set went on more and morekids started moshing and I just
think it's one of those thingswhere maybe face the pain people

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didn't know or sorry Alienatorkids didn't know them before or
even know what their style isbut by the end of the set
everybody in that room was justlike holy fuck this Alienator
band is awesome

SPEAKER_01 (09:53):
it's so sick you know What you're talking about
before with the newer kids beingopen to the old school hardcore
sound, it's not just them beinginto that exclusively though,
right?
It's like they kind of likeeverything?

SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
Yeah, they kind of like everything, which obviously
I think that's a good thingoverall.
But like Balmora, they alsocover Breakdown.
And they covered Unbroken Wings,and both of those covers got big
reactions.
Now, I think that the peoplethere for Balmora knew more of
the Unbroken Wings song than theBreakdown song, but they were

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still moshing to the entireBreakdown song and were stoked
about it, you know?
So I think that, yeah, it's likeyou would see kids in the final
Wrestling Place set who werealso in the Alienator pit, you
know?
It's just like...
Kids are just open to findingnew things right now, and they
don't really differentiate intheir head, I think, hardcore

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stuff.
And you could say whether that'sa good thing or a bad thing, but
I think in the case of going toa fest like this and just having
a good time and everything, Ithink that it's a really good
thing where people are just opento seeing every band and wanting
to enjoy every band.
Where, as you know, in hardcore–different times in hardcore–
Kids, certainly after theirfirst year or two being in, then

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you just become like, I onlylike this.
I hate that.
Fuck that.
And we're not there right now, Ithink.

SPEAKER_01 (11:16):
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised it hasn't split that
way a little bit because comingout of the COVID boom, we're a
few years in.
And I kind of thought thatpeople would be heading into
their camps by now.

UNKNOWN (11:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
That's cool.
I think it's cool.
What about our ongoing war withthe horseshoe?
It looked like there's somepeople fighting it back.
Big Boy, it's always packed upfront.
Big Boy is waging a one-band waragainst the horseshoe.

SPEAKER_00 (11:47):
Yeah, for one– Big Boy set was unbelievable.
I mean, last year's was good,and this year's, again, it
smoked it.
The vibe was there, andeverybody was packed up front,
and it was just unbelievable.
Saturday was more against thehorseshoe than Sunday.
I think that people were excitedSaturday and just wanted to be

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up front and into everything.
By Sunday, I think people were alittle tired.
So there's a little bit moresitting back and watching the
band.
But still, that said, I mean, Ithink people are fixating on
stuff like watching the torturevideos where the entire pit– I
think they were actually one ofthe few bands I did not watch
because I was just exhausted.
But from what I know about it, Ithink that the entire pit was

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wide open for them.
So then you just had this ideaof that or Nails Play Late and a
lot of people were still in theroom.
But it was just– People are sotired by them, so maybe it
looked like a horseshoe.
But overall, I mean, kids wereexcited.
They were up front for stuff.
They were up front for the stuffthey wanted to be up front for.
And then, of course, the heavierstuff is going to have a little

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bit of a horseshoe.
But I think that something likeDead at Birth or Death Threat,
the entire crowd was up frontsinging along and stage diving
and that type of thing.
It was just unbelievable forthat.
So I think that it's there.
It's just– Maybe we got to dosome tweaking about kids'
perceptions a little bit aboutit.

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But I think overall, they wantto be upfront and be in stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (13:17):
I think that the trend of the punching from stage
has scaled down a bit.
We're over the hump of thatstraight-up nerd behavior.
Yes.
I still do see it, but now it'smore of a friendly slap, which–
is even kind of lamer.
I don't know.
It's one of the lamest moves.

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We should give credit to Jayfrom Mindforce.
He called that shit outpublicly.
I hate to call someone aninfluencer because that sounds
fucking dirty, but there areinfluencer-type people in
hardcore.
Him calling it out and sayingit's a lame-ass behavior, I
don't know if the slow slide ofthat move...

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correlated directly with that ornot but like i think it did like
calling out fucking shittybehavior and like shaming it is
like a good thing i think youknow i mean like yeah so yeah

SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
and i i saw it a little bit this weekend but
definitely worse other times andlike it wasn't nearly as
egregious as as it has been

SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
yeah yeah yeah super sick dude and like the room
jesus christ like when you sawlike that the foundation
pictures you know i mean it'slike the room had to be that
big.
Like that was all the way packedout.
That was insane.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The foundation set was like anall time type of hardcore set.
One thing that I, that I kind ofthought about and I talked to
some of my friends about isthat, you know, trial reunited
or trial broke up in like 1999and they reunited in 2005.
And then that burning fight setwas in 2009.
So that was a full decade fortrial.
So when, when that set happened,especially the Burning Fight

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one, but even their reunion,they'd only been broken up for
six years.
But when we were younger, itfelt like this big, crazy thing.
Oh my God, Trial's playing.
Lifetime was only broken up forlike six or seven years.
So when you put that, when Ikind of think about that, of
these bands when I was younger,and then I think about a band
like Foundation that has beenbroken up for almost a decade,

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there's just generations andgenerations of kids that were
not able to see that band, butThey become a big band for them.
They hear about the lore.
They know they were a band theyjust missed or whatever.
So it's easy to miss thatsometimes when a band like
Foundation– I saw a lot whenthey existed.
They were a band that I thoughtwas cool, but I never really–

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they were never my band oranything.
They were just a band I likedthat I saw at shows.
So it's easy to miss thatsometimes.
But then at– The show, it wasjust 2,500 kids that loved
Foundation and were just therefor them, you know?
And it was just thisunbelievable electricity for
them that is just, like, there'sgoing to be kids coming away

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from that room where, like, thatset changed their life, you
know?
And so, like, that's awesome.
That's what hardcore is about.
So it was just– I was juststanding there watching it and
all just, like, this is– Anunbelievable kind of
once-in-a-lifetime type of set.
There's not that many bands thatexist that can have these type
of sets.

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And that was the real specialone.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
and that's like the right timeframe for when
reunions happen for them to bethe best.
It percolates for like half adecade to a decade.
If you also think about theYouth of the Day reunion, I
think that was like 97.
So they've been broken up.
what, six, seven years at thatpoint.
Personally, when In Controlbroke up in 04, we did our
reunion in 09, and it was threetimes as many people that were

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at the last show.
And you could still be young,too.
That's the whole point, right?
So you break up your band whenyou're 25.
You do the reunion when you're30.
You can still be young and agood band.
You're not going to be somefucking barnacle out there just
blowing it, ranking your band'sname.
So yeah, super sick, dude.
Anything else you want to touchon here before we get past this?

SPEAKER_00 (17:07):
Yeah, so a few things.
First, I thought that theforeign bands that played were
really awesome.
Silver, Nothing But Enemies, andespecially Killing Frost.
I mean, Killing Frost's set wasunbelievable.
They kind of sound like theyhave a hybrid of Slapshot, Sheer
Terror with Finnish thrash anddeath metal with synths and

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stuff.
And they were just fucking socool.
They were a band...
I may never be able to see thatband again.
Who knows?
This might be the only timebecause they're from Finland,
and they were just so great.
The Missing Link set was easilythe best Missing Link set that
I've ever seen.
I think sometimes people thinktheir sets are going to be too
scary, so they don't doanything, and this was a perfect

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mix of pile-ons and stagemoshing and just crazy hard
moshing in the pit and just allthat type of stuff.
It was just– unbelievable.
And then like Mindforce wasgreat.
Fury was great, but the big, thebest band on Saturday, or I
won't say best, but like themost fun, like all inspiring one
was Stout set was justunbelievable.

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You had these, all these scaryold Baltimore guys were all
mobbed up on stage, just singingevery word where Stout probably
got the craziest reaction thatthey've ever gotten you know so
many kids there all knowing thewords and it just like had
looked cool and they just it wasjust so awesome and the the

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bassist kind of gave a speech ofand he was getting kind of
emotional of you know they'veexisted for 20 years and people
kind of wrote them off or didn'treally take them seriously or
whatever and now people are youknow into it and they understand
what they're going for.
And I thought that that was, youknow, really cool type of
validation type of speech there.

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And then like just some otherthings like Think I Care, a band
that I loved when I was a kidand I still love now.
They were just sounded so meanand so awesome and they were
great.
A lot of the newer bands likeBurning Lord, Stigmatism,
Statement of Pride, Fatal Realm,like all these bands just had
great sets.
But then the one that The setthat I just can't stop thinking

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about and was is I'm not joking.
It's easy to say this type ofthing, but I really think that
it might have been the most funset that I've ever seen was the
Mongoloid set.
They were a band that startedright when I was like 18, 19.
So real formative years of goingto shows.
And I saw them a lot back then.
And this reunion, like.
It was basically like a tributein a love letter to my type of–

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like my era of hardcore.
And so it was just like– it wasreally fun with just a lot of
goofiness and like everybody'sseen the video of the guy
spinning stuff on stage to startthe set.
And the inflatables or whatever.
But like it was just so fun.
They did a sick– rock block ofcovers.

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It was just like, hey, when wewere a band, we did a lot of
covers.
So now here's a medley.
And they did a medley style tooof one song into the other of
River Runs Red into Sick Peoplewith Tyler from Scarab Scene
into I Spoiler by Sheer Terrorinto Feeding Time at the Zoo by
The Wrong Side with Morgato wasthere to sing it.

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And by sing it, I mean just runaround on stage because there's
no lyrics into Safe in a Crowdby Breakdown.
and uh that was just you knowpeople were in the full covers
and that was awesome and theyput an irh song into another
song and like i said just thewhole vibe of it was just so fun
and everybody was there justlike there's no pretense about

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it everybody just wanted to havefun with it and it was just like
it's one of those perfecthardcore sets that i just cannot
stop thinking about it was justso fun it's what i'm here for
and like you know I'm almost 38.
I'm 38 in a few weeks.
And it's just like, I cannot notimagine anything else that I'd
rather be doing.
Like I had to be there for that.

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And I had to be, you know,playing inflatable guitars and
stuff.
Cause it was just the most funthing that I've ever seen.
That

SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
rules.
Well, hell yeah.
Hey, congrats to Bob and thewhole crew and yeah, another
sick ass year.
So that's what's up.
Okay.
Let's move on quickly and dothe, some predictions for 2025
and then also what you hope tosee in 2025.
Mine is really short, dude.
2024, I talked about it earliertonight, but god damn, dude,

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there were so many good demoslike on like EP level you know I
mean like there were demos thatcame out that it's like in other
eras if like some of the bestbands put that shit out it would
have been like EP or LP likelevel songs and there's always
like that push and pull rightbetween pro core and what people
like call demo core and like Idon't want things to ever go all

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the way demo core because I likepeople to have some skin in the
game and like really care abouttheir bands and sometimes I feel
like there was a time whenpeople were just trying and
trying and trying differentthings.
And it, it kind of seemedinsincere.
It was like people were doingdifferent bands to see what hit.
And if it didn't hit, then it'slike, okay, onto the next thing.

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So I, I just hope that like alot of the good stuff from last
year, like the band stick aroundand like make it go at it.
Play 20 shows in the year, youknow, or like, try to piece
together a tour or something.
Like I just, I hope that thatshit that I love from last year,
like there's some substance toit and like the kids go out and
like do it.
So that's really what I'm hopingfor.
Also, uh, still holding out thatsomeone that crowd kills from

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the stage gets stabbed.
So, uh, hoping for that still.
And I think that's it, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
What do you got?
So going back to what I saidearlier, I think that this is
going to be a more well-roundedyear of hardcore of just like
kind of more in the middlebands, uh, Putting out records.
This year, I think it's going tobe...
It's really set up to be anunbelievable year.
The amount of stuff that I knowis supposed to come out, comes

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out.
It should be awesome of...
It's going to be stuff that'sheavy or there's going to be
stuff that's fast or whatever,but it's not going to be too
heavy.
It's going to be still stuff inthe hardcore lane, like the
Division of Mind record or theKilling Pace record or the
Scarab records.
Those are going to be heavyrecords, but they're also going
to be solely just hardcorerecords.
I don't want to say that there'sgoing to be this big– like push

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back against the idea of likethe pro core band or whatever.
Like that seems a bit silly tosay, but at the same time, I
really think that it's going tobe the, I think that the year is
going to be dominated by bandsthat are just kind of like know
who they are and where theirplaces, you know, like bands
that are not necessarily goingto completely go for it as far

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as touring all the time orwhatever, but can really hone in
on a good LP and just like, Hey,let's just do this.
put our, our all into this andsee what happens and not be as
involved with like, Oh, we haveto do this record.
So then we can do this and dothat.
Like, I really think that thisyear is just going to be,
there's going to, I think it'sgoing to be the return of like

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the hardcore LP where, you know,of course there were good ones
last year, but I just feel likethis year there's going to be so
many good ones where like, youknow, the, the straightforward
hardcore stuff, maybe thereweren't as many big records like
that this year.
A lot of the stuff I reallyliked was in the more punk lane.
And I think that this year it'sjust going to be like record
after record.
And I do think that a lot of thebands that you're talking about,

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like a band like freeze out orsomething is going to record
something that is going to belike smoke their last thing and
just be so good.
So I'm really excited for that.
Like the C4 record, I think isthe thing that I'm most excited
for.
Cause it's just this meansounding, like, really mean
hardcore record.
And I just can't wait for that.

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So that's just my, my generalidea is just that this year is
going to be great.
And I think that it's going tobe just continue to go in the
trend of just regular, normal.
I know I said, I hate a regularhardcore on the Patreon, but
just like normal in the, in themiddle hardcore, and it's going

SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
to be an awesome year.
Yeah.
No idols is recording, I thinkthis month.
So like, that's something I'mexcited about too.
Yeah.
I don't know, like for likestraight hardcore, you know,
down the road, hardcore, likethat missing link LP from last
year is like as good as it getsfor that style.
And I feel like that band likeblew up off it.
Like the kids in the crowd getit.

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And like, you know, the band islike reap the, the rewards of
putting out like about as goodof a record as you can do in
that genre.
Yeah.
And like, but I do feel like,you know, the commentary class
is like kind of maybe slept onit a little bit.
Like it should get called out aslike a spectacular record of
like.

SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
For sure.
And you know, you can tellthere's a lot of care and
thought put into that.
And I think that that's justgoing to continue with a lot of
records like that this year oflike bands kind of continuing
exactly in the missing linkformula.
Not sounding like that, but justlike, you know.
the, the work ethic and theaesthetic wise of just like
putting as much as they can intothe record, knowing that it's

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this big and important to themthing to do and, and put a lot
of care into it.
So that's what I'm reallyexcited for this year.

SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause like that record.
And then also like in like theraw punk world, like that Craig
shock record, they both seemlike they can kind of, they
transcend it a bit.
Right.
So like they are something forlike bands to chase after, you
know what I mean?
So that's all.
Okay.
Let's jump in and talk somenewer-ish stuff.

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I got a bunch of stuff to shoutout before we get into it.
All right, here we go.
First off, About Face.
What's up, Coop?
They put out their demo, the XXXDemonstration.
It came out on AdvancedPerspective.
Youth crew band with somemelody.
Order that tape.
You got to order it now, dude.
Maybe it'll show up by the endof summer.
Also, Raised Wrong, self-titled12-inch, came out on Indecision

(27:29):
Records in December.
Fast, straightforward, rootshardcore.
Dude, I saw this band at theShea.
It was pretty wild because, youknow, kids like most shit is
like fucking bullshit beat downnow like of the young kids
playing and like this band isjust straight up like straight
fast hardcore 90 second songswhatever the fuck and they're
good they're all seen veteransright so like they would play a

(27:50):
song and when they stopped likethis show had like maybe 50 kids
and the kids just went

SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
like they were at a fucking maiden concert dude so
like that real hardcore shit goddamn when it's played good it
can like uh hit anyone you neverknow okay a band called Compete.
They're out of Vienna, Austria.
They put out their demo 2025,came out on STTW Records.
Another youth crew band comingback.
There is a youth crew resurgencegoing on right now.
So what's up?

(28:18):
Also, the band Second Coming,they put out a song called Love
Letters.
They were a NorCal band in the1990s.
And this song's sick, dude.
Some old school scene veteransdoing it.
We got a shout out to the SanRamon Mosh crew.
What's up?
Crush Your Soul put out a new EPcalled Living Gracious.
Came out this month.
The cassette is availablethrough Streets of Hate.

(28:38):
You know what it is.
They put it out at EP last year.
That was one of the best EPs ofthe year.
It's Marauder, All Out War,Worship.
But most importantly, dude, theysound like them.
And Jay, my force, all-timefront man.
And the more he gives us, thebetter.
There's a band called King'sCommand.
They put out a demo called TakeBack the Throne.
Came out in December on TotalSupply.

(29:00):
That was on our short list thelast couple of months.
So we got to shout it out.
Justice Divine put out aself-titled 12 inch on
destructure records.
They are out of breast France.
Like that's a town that, uh, allthat Freud shit comes out of
that.
We love.
This is a post punky.
There's some electro shit inthere.
Kevin, you love this one, didn'tyou?

SPEAKER_00 (29:19):
Yeah, I love this one.
It hit me at the very end of theyear and then it made my top 10
of the year.
Yeah.
So sick.

SPEAKER_01 (29:25):
So everyone checked that out.
A square one demo.
2024 came out of scheme records.
This is fast.
I'm a lot of hardcore and dude,Fast melodic hardcore.
That lane is wide open.
And this is a band to contendwith if you love that shit.
The band Rifle out of London putout a new EP called Pack
Mentality.
Their 7-inch from 2023 was oneof my favorites of that year.

(29:47):
This kicks ass as well.
A band called Modern Man fromLos Angeles put out a new
cassette called Rodent.
Came out of Shitkicker Records.
Their 2023 demo was on ourshortlist for demo of the year.
This is a little wilder.
of music uh they're reallycoming to their own check it out
i have trouble describing thisstuff that's like not
straightforward but uh it kicksass i dug it a lot a band called

(30:10):
gun fever out of greece uh theyput out a 12 inch called no easy
way this is like a dark oi bandso you know we love that froi
shit out of france this is likethat stuff but out of greece so
it's I don't know.
Is it Groy?
They cover criminal damage too,so that will give you some idea
of what they're all about.
Okay, a band called The Losers.

(30:31):
They put out a 12-inch calledThe Land of Opportunity.
It came out on 11 PM Records inOctober.
We shortlisted this forDecember, I think.
Kevin, I think you actually sentthis to me.
This is super sick, dude.
Everyone, check out the song onthe playlist.
I love it.
It almost made my end of theyear list.
They're kind of Nightbirds-y,but maybe less Dead Kennedys and
more fast, crazy shit.

(30:51):
Also, another old thing.
This came out in the summer, buta band called Shooting Pain put
out their demo 2024.
When I was set up to do thatInvertebrates interview for the
year-end episode, I was lookingup the drummer's shit on Discogs
and this band came up and I waslike, what?
And dude, it is so sick.
It's just lo-fi thrash.
If you like that band Tower 7,which I know a lot of you guys

(31:14):
do, you should dig this.
It's super sick.
And then lastly, a band calledDemonstrate out of Philly put
out a new demo.
It is not on Spotify, so itwon't be on the playlist, but
check out Demonstrate XXX onBandcamp and it will come up.
So check that out.
The first thing that we're goingto dig into this week is the
band Just Us.
They're It's called The Demo.

(31:38):
Came out on Physical TherapyRecords, but you snooze, you
lose.
It is already sold out.
This came out in December, butwe are talking it now.
Kevin, what do you think aboutthis one?

SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
This demo is awesome.
It came out like the last weekof December.
So it's like it kind of missedlast year, but I don't know,
maybe it'll be for this year.
But it just sounds like, I mean,the very obvious comparison is
that they're trying to soundlike no tolerance.
And there's nothing wrong withthat to me.
I mean, no tolerance has kind ofturned into the most, like it's

(32:09):
again, like we would talk aboutsometimes where you kind of miss
when bands are turning legendaryand, and no tolerance has turned
into one of those legendary,like cited bands.
So if a band is coming out andwants to sound like no
tolerance, which is just tryingto sound like confronting
brotherhood, uh, that soundsgreat to me.
I mean, parts of it, like,especially the second song song,

(32:29):
just us, it sounds like thedeal.
Um, A lot with the vocal cadenceand how it sounds and stuff.
So yeah, I think that this bandis awesome and I'm hopefully
I'll see them soon and, and thatthey'll do more, but it's just
cool that this just like theywere playing a show at the end
of December.
So they're like, all right,here's the demo two days before.

(32:52):
So I really liked this one alot.

SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Yeah, same, dude.
It's four songs, six minutes.
Really good recording for ademo.
And again, this is just like oneof those things.
Bands are putting out demos thatsound this good.
If you're doing a band, yourshit's got to sound this good.
You got to grab it out the gate,right?
This thing sounds so good.
And there's a fast part in everysong except for the intro.
The singer sounds like he'smissing a chromosome.

(33:16):
That's what I'm looking for.
This just rules.
It's everything I want in a newhardcore band.
It just rules.

SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
I really like the drumming too because it's kind
of in front of the beat.
And so it really makeseverything sound really driving
and going forward.
And I think that one thing thatbands become that like hurts
things is that drummers are alittle too slow or a little
behind the beat now.
And it kind of makes the songdrag along.
Whereas this is just reallypummeling and driving and it
makes the songs just reallyfrantic in a good way and just

(33:45):
kind of always going forward.
And I think I really appreciatethat.

SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
Yeah, that song that's queued up on the band
camp, the No Tomorrow song thatstarts with a scissor beat, it's
insane.
I heard that and I was like,okay, perfect hardcore song,
dude.
Let's fucking go.
Yeah, it's so sick.
So everyone check it out.
Just Us, the demo, came out onPhysical Therapy.
All right, let's go on.
The next thing we're going totalk is a band called Voltage.

(34:11):
They put out a release calledMania.
It was self-released.
I do not know if there was aphysical copy or not.
I couldn't figure it out byGoogling around.
This band is from Kamloops,British Columbia in Canada.
This came out in November 2024,and I saw it on someone's
year-end list, and I was like,oh, I haven't heard this, and so
I checked it out, and goddamn,dude, it's sick.

(34:34):
The first song is my favorite.
It's just full-on dischargeworship, like in the blatant
discharge worship way, you know,and I love some of that stuff
like that disaster LP or thatfirst meanwhile LP or two of my
favorite records I've beenlistening to a lot in the last
year or so.
And this is just like that.
It's like single influence band.
Here we go.

(34:54):
But the rest of the, the single,the rest of the EP is, like they
kind of go off more likenineties Sweden style, which
isn't always my favorite shit,but this band does it very well.
Uh, it goes like more of likethat motor punk way, like, you
know, like the big ninetiesSwedish stuff, like this fear
skit system, Wolf brigade, um,kind of like that stuff, but

(35:16):
there's no melody in this.
Like some of those bands woulddabble in.
And, uh, Some of it is almost somotor punk that it almost
borders sounding like NFC alittle bit in parts, but it
doesn't go all the way there.
One of the best things aboutthis is just the singer's got a
cool yelling voice, and he alsoknows how to hang back and lets

(35:37):
the songs breathe.
And that's sick, dude, becausethis recording is thick as fuck.
It's powerful.
And the music speaks for itself.
If you're the singer, you don'tgot to smother everything, dude.
So it's pretty sick this dudehangs back.
Yeah, overall, I just like thisthing a lot.
What do you think, Kevin?

SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
I knew nothing about this before it was on the
playlist for this month, andit's really awesome.
Like you said, it's Discharge.
I noticed the Inepsi thing rightaway.
That was kind of the first thingthat I thought about was just a
band doing the motorhead throughthe punk lens type of thing.
But yeah, I really liked it.
The song I really liked is thesecond song, Wire.
I thought that that was kind ofa good catchy chorus and a

(36:16):
little bit more mid-tempo.
But this is one that I think thefirst time I listened to it, I'm
like, okay, this is pretty cool,but I probably won't listen to
this again.
And then Listening to it moreand more, I was just like, I
think that this will probablystay in my rotation where I'll
come back to every once in awhile.
And it sounds great.
If they do a full record at somepoint, it should be awesome.

(36:38):
And yeah, this is the type ofstuff that is cool because it
just takes you by surprise.
And like I said, I knew nothingabout this.
I didn't see a single thingabout it.
And then it's just awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
Yeah, it's hooky too in parts, right?
Like that second song thatyou're talking about, like the
liar, you're a liar.
Like there's some moments inthis that like stick with me
like that.
With the finger on the trigger.
Like there's good shit in here.
So hell yeah, dude.
Voltage, Mania.
Out of Kamloops, BritishColumbia.
Check it out.
All right, let's go on to thenext thing.

(37:09):
We're going to talk The WalkAlone, a cruel promo.
Came out on Rebirth Records.
This is a band out ofLouisville, Kentucky.
Came out in December of 2024.
What do you think, Kevin?

SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
This one, it's another really good one that I
really liked.
It's kind of like a mix ofClevo, like almost Mean Streaky,
even though, you know, there'sonly one Mean Streaky song, but
like it sounds a little MeanStreaky.
And then also like Early 2000sCalifornia type of stuff that is
just the kind of really fast,mean, like, eternal affairs,

(37:41):
piece-by-piece type of stuff.
It's just early terror.
It's just a melding of those twothings, and it just sounds
really mean and nasty.
There's some dive bombs and some– Yeah, the singer's

SPEAKER_01 (38:10):
voice is a little more throat than gut.
but it really works here.
And it's another short demo,four songs, five minutes.
The backbone of this band,again, is like that fast beat.
This demo is interesting.
What they do very well that Ithink makes them stand apart is
they vary the fast beat, right?
So like, Hyper Vigilance, that'skind of like a slow fast beat,

(38:32):
very Clevo fast beat.
Head of the Hammer is like ascissor beat.
And then Decentralized Risk islike a straight double time fast
beat.
So it's sick to have thebackbone of this band be fast,
but every fast beat isdifferent.
The songs don't sound the same.
We do got to say, can't lookpast the fact that that first
riff of the demo is a prettyblatant rip off Real Domain.

(38:56):
But whatever, dude, I was in aband that lifted this riff in
1997.
So I'm no better than you, butGod damn, that is a blatant
fucking swoop.
But, uh, Hey, fuck them.
Right.
All right.
That's sick.
It is walk alone.
A cruel promo came out ofrebirth records, handle business
people.
uh, rebirth records.

(39:16):
It's on big cartel.
You know what to do.
Let's go on to the next thing.
We're going to talk the bandlifeless dark, put out an LP
called forces of nature'stransformation.
It came out on side two records.
The LP is sold out, but as ofthe time that we're recording
this, the tape is stillavailable.
This band is out of Boston,Massachusetts featuring some

(39:37):
people that you probably knowfrom the previous bands, but,
uh, Goddamn.
So this came out in December andbasically the internet shut down
for the day of just everyonebeing like, oh my God, LP of the
year.
And it snuck into a bunch oflists, dude.
And I think it's warranted.
This record sounds so awesome.

(40:00):
We've talked on the pod a lotabout how that early 80s shit
happened.
like the fifth member of theband is the recording.
Like think about like listeningto Minor Threat or SSD or
Discharge or just really anyband from like, you know, the
original shit up until likeCrossover kind of comes in,
right?
Like nothing can ever sound likethat again.

(40:22):
And that's like part of why thepeople that love it, love it so
much, right?
It's so unique.
But this band, like they do sucha good job of like harnessing
like 1983 thrash metal.
The record sounds so raw, but sobright at the same time.
It's just fucking perfect.
And like, that kind of soundslike a cop out saying the thing

(40:42):
I love about this record themost is the recording.
But like, I love this recordingso much and it makes me want to
listen to this record so much.
Like the second song, that depthof cold song, dude, it just
starts out like doing like thespeed picking on a fast beat.
And like, it just sounds like1983.

(41:02):
So like, if you love that sound,that early thrash metal sound,
like you're going to love this,right?
It's just the fucking speedpicking on a fast beat.
And it's like, God damn, thissounds so good, dude.
On the write-up for this record,they say that their influences
were the first sacrilege LP, thefirst hell bastard LP, and that

(41:23):
dis attack demo from 1986.
That's like the, it's a, precarcass napalm death band.
Uh, that dude, Bill steer was init.
That's cool.
Like the shout outs are cool.
And like, there is maybe alittle bit of like the hell
bastard, the dis attack, butdude, let's be real.
This is just like that firstsacrilege LP mashed up with
fucking show no mercy.

(41:45):
Like, that's what I hear.
And really the first sacrilegeLP, the reason why I love it so
much is it reminds me of show nomercy.
So like, I don't think we got togo like, Too far afield of
calling out the influences here.
For the listeners right now, ifyou like the first Slayer
record, you're going to likethis.

(42:05):
It's so fucking good.
And speaking of Slayer, dude, Igenerally hate a long-ass intro,
unless it's Hella Weights.
And the intro of this record ispretty fucking long and pretty
elaborate.
And I think if it was any onethat wasn't so...

(42:26):
Good at making music.
Like these people are like, itwould kind of come off.
Like, I don't know.
Like you're doing too much, bro.
But this intro is so epic and ittakes two and a half minutes to
get to that.
Like first riff, but like thepayoff is so big.
That first riff when it hits islike, Oh my God.

(42:47):
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's a straight upmasterpiece.
The first song on this recordis, is a straight-up
masterpiece.
And I talked about the secondsong, and the last thing I want
to say is I think that this LPis very bookended.
The first two songs and the lasttwo songs, I think, are the
best.
And that last song is so sick,dude.

(43:08):
Her vocals on the verses soundvery similar to the Shadow of
Mordor song off the SacrilegeLP, which is great.
It also has a big Melnick-esquesolo blazer on it.
I'd say the record is at itsbest when the singer hangs back
and kind of lets the riffsbreathe.

(43:29):
And if I was being critical,which I'm not, this LP is
fucking insane.
But sometimes there's certainparts where it feels like maybe
the vocals get a littlesmothering.
And sometimes when it hangsback, that's the best shit.
So hell yeah, dude.
This thing is fucking...
out of this world, though.
What do you think,

SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
Kevin?
Yeah, the first time I heard it,I'm like, oh, that's pretty
cool.
It's got some cool parts, but Ididn't know if I would come back
to it.
And then I've been listening toit a lot this week and last
week, and this record is just sopummeling.
It just beats you over the headriff after riff.
It doesn't let up.
And The production really is thething that stands out.

(44:13):
The music just sounds so crisp,and the drums are big and boomy
and echoey in a really cool way.
Usually I like the kind ofdrier, hard-hitting drums, and
these are not that, but theyjust sound really booming and
awesome.
And obviously stuff likeSacrilege is the comparison, but

(44:34):
the thing that I kind of–realized after listening to this
a lot is that I don't think itreally sounds like this record
but I got a lot of Best Wishesvibes from it from just how the
the songs are a little longerand they kind of mutate as they
go along and they kind of justswitch from riff to riff and
keep going from part to part.
And I really got a lot of bestwishes from that.

(44:56):
I think that this is a cool way,like you called out thrash.
I also hear like early deathmetal stuff on this, but not in
the same way of a lot of otherbands do it where it's, this is
just a little bit more sloweddown and just really, it
breathes like you were saying,so that it just kind of like
you're able to just really takeit all in.
And it just, it really, it's, myonly real issue with this record

(45:18):
is that It's kind of a draininglisten.
Like it's pretty long.
So by the time I kind of get inthe middle, I'm just kind of
exhausted already.
So if it was trimmed up a littlebit, I think that I would like
it more.
Um, but still it just soundsawesome.
And it doesn't really sound liketoo much else that's coming out
right now.
And it's like, I think it tookthem a, I feel like this record

(45:41):
like took years to make.
I don't know exactly, but I feellike I've been hearing about it
for a while.
So like you could tell that alot of effort was really put
into this and it, it, It justsounds like remarkable.
Like if this is a band's legacy,you know, like it's a good one.
So I haven't picked it up.
I probably got to find a copysoon, but yeah, it's real cool.

SPEAKER_01 (46:01):
Yeah.
You know, I love brevity.
And so like, I, I always have anissue when things like this are
long, but like, I think thatit's, it's just a heavy metal
record.
Right.
So like it's par for the course,like heavy metal records are
longer.
And it's funny with like thisrecord coming out, like it's,
the the sub genres that likepeople have like put it into
like i don't fucking know butlike people be like oh it's like

(46:24):
a a blackened crust record orsome shit it's like what the
fuck dude this is just astraight up heavy metal record
you know i mean i'm like it'scool to like heavy metal the
best heavy metal is some of thebest fucking music in the world
and so i don't know i don'tthink we gotta get too cute with
it but uh hell yeah this recordis the shit And I'm lucky I
bought one.
I can't wait for it to come inthe mail.

(46:45):
I wish I could look at thelyrics and stuff.
And again, it's like, I wish abands took the time to put the
lyrics on band camp and stuffjust for, you know, even us that
order the record.
Like, you know, I've listened tothis record probably 10 times
since it came out.
And it's like, the lyrics are abig part of, of music for me.
And I want to see what you, whaty'all are writing.

(47:05):
So it'd be sick if a bands tookthe effort to put them on band
camp or whatever.
Put them somewhere so we can seethem, you know, because also
like records sell out.
Not everyone gets the recordand, you know, lyrics are a big
piece of music.
So that's what's

SPEAKER_03 (47:27):
up.

SPEAKER_01 (47:27):
All right, we're going to do a cut you down on
the Bold Speak Out LP.
It came out on RevelationRecords in 1988.
Dude, I love Bold, so I wantthis LP to stay as it is.
But Bold has always kind of beenlike the band that even people
that are into that rev shit,sometimes people will be like,

(47:48):
yeah, I don't like Bold.
And it's like, really, dude?
Have you listened to Bold?
Because they're sick.
But I do think that maybe the LPis a little long.
And so maybe if we cut it downto a 7-inch, it would be an
all-timer.
I don't know.
How do you feel about the LP ingeneral, Kevin?

SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
So weirdly enough, Bold is kind of a blind spot for
me.
I don't know why.
They're just one of those bandsI never really took the time to
dive in on.
Again, I don't know why.
Maybe because there was just somuch discourse about it in any
direction that I just, I don'tknow.
I never really tried.
So they're a band that I like,that I think is cool, but I
don't really, I'm not asfamiliar with.

(48:27):
Generally, I think that the LPis cool, but I do probably think
that it's a little long and thatsome of the songs kind of blend
together.
But again, I never really spentthe time with it as I did.
It reminds me a lot of theTurning Point record, which I
spent a lot more time with in mylife.
So

SPEAKER_01 (48:44):
yeah, it's an interesting one, though.
Yeah, it gets a little bloatedin the middle, I think.
Also, the intro is not verygood.
So that's a thing.
It drags a little bit.
So to drag in the middle is kindof weird for the record.
Yeah.
But I do think there's all-timeshit on here.
Obviously, Talk is Cheap, Nailedto the X, and Wise Up.

(49:06):
These are all-timer hardcoresongs.
But for the sake of this, ofmaking a 7-inch, so Wise Up
originally came out the sameyear.
I don't know what came outfirst.
But Wise Up is also on the WayIt Is comp that everyone knows
and loves.
That came out in 88.
And also the song Talk is Cheapcame out on the Together comp

(49:26):
from 87.
I think the talk is cheapversion on the LP is like
significantly better.
Now I got a shout out to the 87version.
There is more cussing, which isgenerally better.
But like Matt's vocalperformance on talk is cheap on
the LP is so perfect, dude.
It's like the way he like adlibs around like the gang vocals

(49:49):
is so sick is, is I think thatif I'm narrowing down to like
four songs to make this fit ontoa seven inch, um, I got to keep
Talk is Cheap, but I'm going tolet Wise Up stay on the way it
is comp.
I think that that's like a canonenough comp that everyone knows
and has.
And like Revelation never reallylet it go out of print, I don't

(50:11):
think.
This was never hard to get.
The Together comp is like long,long out of print.
So we got to keep Talk is Cheapin the mix.
Wise Up, we're going to keep iton the comp.
My Side A, here's what I wouldargue for.
We got to keep Talk is Cheap andNail Dig the X.
How do you feel about those two,Kevin?

SPEAKER_00 (50:29):
Yes, that's how I started mine.

SPEAKER_01 (50:32):
Okay.
All right.
So if we can knock out side Aand keep it that, I think we're
getting somewhere.
Here's what I'm arguing for sideB, and I'm down to wiggle if we
got to.
I think that I always thoughtthat I would take Always Try.
I love that song.
I still love it.
I named it one of my fanzinesafter it, but like, Why does it

(50:54):
have a fucking third verse,dude?
What is going on here?
Three verses before the fuckingbreakdown?
Hit the breakdown, dude.
What are you doing?
But that might be the best boldbreakdown.
So it's got an argument, but Ithink I'm going to hack that
song.
What I want is I want to acceptthe blame and I want still
strong.
And here's my argument.
Accept the Blame, dude.
The transitions into the fastparts is so nice.

(51:23):
So sick, dude.
And then also that little guitarlead on the first chorus on
Accept the Blame.
I'll do the same.
So sick, dude.
And it is fucking criminal.
that they don't do that on thesecond chorus.
Cause like that lead is so sick,dude.

(51:44):
And then still strong.
I love this song.
Cause like it's got a poundingintro for whatever, 30 seconds,
but then it just breaks fast.
And it's like that minute longblazing song that I want to get
on every LP.
Kind of like straight on sevenseconds.
Like just one fast song thatblazes and that's it.
So this does have a, So I wasthinking that

SPEAKER_00 (52:15):
your point about Wise Up makes sense, but at the
same time, it still feels crazyto not have it on there.
That's true.
Cause I think that it's one ofthe best songs.
Like it's pretty classic.
When I, when I was breaking thisout, I had it talk is cheap,
nailed the X and wise up on sidea, cause I think that they all,
all fit right in there.
Um, but I'm, I'm with you onstill strong.

(52:37):
I think that that one is, islike low key is one of the
better songs too.
And it's kind of, I had itstarting a side B just to go
right into that.
Um, Cause like, you know, I, Ithink that it's, it's a good
song and it kind of fits forthere too.
The other thing that I had onthere, which I think I know it's

(52:59):
good.
You're going to chop me off,which is fine, but I had it
ending with the intro, which Iknow is kind of goofy, but I
kind of like it as the, as anintro interlude, like starting
the record, would it beterrible?
But then I feel like it goesright into clear and it, it kind
of ends where it would end thishypothetical record and kind of
a, epic way, but it does drag alittle bit.

(53:19):
So I understand the idea of justall heavy hitters, you know,
just kind of faster and justgoing that direction.

SPEAKER_01 (53:26):
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know if we putwise up on her again or not.
Like, because yeah, if youwanted to say like, here is like
the definitive bold songs, like,And you can have it on one seven
inch.
Like that is so appealing.
We, we should probably have it

SPEAKER_00 (53:40):
on there.
Right.
Like, I mean, yeah, I think thatthis one, you don't think you
don't overthink it.
Yeah.
I

SPEAKER_01 (53:46):
think, I think you're right.
Like if it's there, we got tohave it.
All right.
So one, two, three, we put thatas the third song on side a wise
up and then yeah.
Side B.
So you just, you want to havethe intro or you want to have
clear as well?

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
I had an intro to Clear, but again, I'm not going
to fight for that.
It's a little goofy.
I

SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
think the intro to Change Within is not a good
block on the record, but I dorespect doing the intro last.
Again, I think that AgnosticFront did it right.
You take your risky slow trackPut it at the end of the record,
like they put with time at theend of victim and pain.
That's the most brilliant movein the history of hardcore.
And so I think that should becommended.

(54:31):
I think your idea should becommended.
So what do you think aboutsticking with my side B and
sticking the intro on the end?
Sure.
All right, let's do it.
Let's do it.
All right.
So side a talk is cheap.
Nailed to the X wise up side B.
Accept the blame.
Still strong.
Ending with the intro.
Hopefully we've made a goodhardcore LP into a great 7-inch.

(54:52):
Check it out.
It'll be on the playlist.

SPEAKER_04 (54:53):
I'm taking it back to the old school because I'm an
old fool.
I'm taking it back to the oldschool because I'm an old fool.
Yo, what's up, motherfuckers?

UNKNOWN (55:04):
Old school.

SPEAKER_01 (55:05):
All right, we are going old school.
The record I want to talk thistime around is Another Religion,
Another War by the Verruckers.
This came out on Riot CityRecords in 1984.
To give a little perspective onwhere this record lands in the
Verruckers catalog, they put outtheir first 7-inch in 1981.
They put out their first LP in1983.

(55:28):
So by the time this 12-inch EPcomes out, they have four or
five 7-inches left.
So that's pretty wild.
They got a pretty thick catalogof an LP plus four or five,
seven inches.
The reason why I wanted to talkthis is because the Rookers
always get mentioned in likethat first wave of UK hardcore.

(55:48):
And they were like the band thatlike never connected with me,
you know?
So like I would listen to like aseven inch and it was like, ah,
I don't really know like wherethis fits because they kind of
combined like really anthemicstreet punk and Um, with like
that straight UK 82 first waveUK hardcore style.

(56:09):
And I think with a lot of bands,I'm like looking for one or the
other, not like the mix.
And so, and also like the LPdidn't connect with me.
Maybe it was like a littlereverb.
Maybe like, I'm just a fuckingbitch for not liking it.
That's a possibility too.
But like, for whatever reason,this wasn't a band that
connected with me out of thatstuff.
Like, The Exploited did or GBHdid.

(56:31):
At some point, I listened tothis 12-inch again in the last
couple years, and I was like, ohmy god, this is so good, dude.
So it's eight songs, and everysingle song bangs.
They're all 90 seconds long.
And if you were going to knockthis record, you could almost
accuse it of having all thesongs kind of be...

(56:53):
too samey but the thing is likethere's a good ass chorus on
every song here that makes ittotally memorable i love this
thing i have like a little mixthat i uh that i listen to when
i'm riding my bike like doingcardio it's just like the final
conflict lp and the crucifix lpand like those two like they
mesh so well just putting onshuffle and like I've added this

(57:15):
to that.
So now it's like three recordsand like, they're just songs
when you're like trying to dothose last couple of miles and
you're fucking tired and boredand all that shit.
Like this shit revs me up, dude.
So I don't know how you feelabout this, Kevin.

SPEAKER_00 (57:29):
So they're also a band that is kind of a blind
spot for me.
Like, I always heard about itand I never really, when I was
younger, you know, maybe thatstyle wasn't really what I was
looking for.
And then as I got older, Ichecked them out and especially
the earlier seven inches, Ilistened to it.
And to me, it just came off as awatered down discharge.
Not necessarily like a bad thingor anything.

(57:50):
It just didn't connect the sameway.
So when I listened to this, Iwas pretty blown away because I
didn't really get that at all.
I really liked how sneery this,sneering this was.
It's pretty snotty and kind ofshitheaded.
I mean that in the best waypossible.
It sounds like somebody justkind of taking the piss out of

(58:13):
stuff.
And I really like that.
This is like riding around amotorcycle with no helmet on
music.
And it just really is awesome.
I really like this.
I've been listening to it overand over.
It's not one of those thingswhere like Individual songs
stand out to me really, whichfeels like a cop out sometimes,
but it just kind of, for me, Ijust kind of put on the full

(58:35):
record and you're just kind ofputting in the experience, like
you're going for the fullexperience of just kind of like
getting pummeled over and overwith it.
And the songs are short enoughand it's all like
straightforward enough whereit's a really easy listen of
just like, of just kind ofrocking and, and yeah, like I
said, I really like this waymore than I expected to.

(58:58):
And this is absolutely going tobe something that I come back to
more.
And it made me feel silly oflike that.
I hadn't really dug in more onit and that I did write them
off.
Cause I think that I'm going tostart, uh, diving into it a lot
more

SPEAKER_01 (59:13):
over the next few weeks.
Yeah.
You know, we talked to sacrilegea little bit before, uh, And
there's an interesting tie inhere.
So Damian Thompson, who plays onthis 12 inch, he went on to play
on that first sacrilege LP.
So maybe that's why this onelike sounds just a little more
straight up aggressive.
Who knows?
And also if anyone has contactfor Damian Thompson, please get

(59:34):
at me.
I would love to interview him onthe podcast.
I've had some feelers out for awhile and we haven't had any
success.
So if anyone knows him, pleaseget at the podcast to dive into
this podcast.
first off side note real quickan interesting thing the so this
band does their lp in 83 theyhave a song on it called protest

(59:54):
and survive which is wildbecause that's 83 and discharge
also has a song called protestand survive from 82 but it might
be one of those things like whoknows maybe they were playing
this song in 81 and fuckingdischarge jacked them like who
fucking knows but that's prettywild to have like two uk bands
have a song of the same titlelike that in that close
proximity.

(01:00:15):
And then also it's crazy that,uh, the Finnish band restitute,
they cover the Vruchers songprotest and survive.
Like it's the first song ontheir first LP.
So that's pretty insane to put acover song as your first song.
Like it's sick.
I kind of fucking support it.
It's like a mission statementfor your band, like first

(01:00:35):
record, like, Hey, check it out.
This is what we're into.
We love the Vruchers.
Like that's so cool.
Um, just digging into thisrecord a little bit, like, The
choruses are kind of like youhear them once, you know them.
Another religion, another war.
Another religion, another war.
No escape, no escape.
The last war, the last war.
We pay.

(01:00:55):
It's so sick.
The songs might be a littlesamey, but every chorus is
pretty memorable, dude.
It's wild.
And then also like...
That verse riff on Condemned toDeath is absolutely psychotic.
I can't play it, dude.
I mean, my left hand don't gothat fast.

(01:01:17):
And then also, two last things Iwanted to call out here is on
that song No Escape– it's sosick that like the verse is like
a single line and then you'reinto the chorus.
Like that is such coolsongwriting.
And then also they kind of dothe same thing on who pays.
It's like two quick lines.
And then we're into like afucking banger chorus.

(01:01:37):
So it's just fucking fist pumpmusic, dude.
It is so good.
And I encourage you, if you weresomeone that was, sleeping on
the Vruckers before.
Maybe check out this 12-inchexclusively and get into it and
then be like me and Kevin.
I'm going to dabble back intothe other stuff.
Also, we got a shout out toHavoc Records.
They got every single of theseearly 7-inches by the Vruckers

(01:02:00):
and they're like$4 on thewebsite.
It's pretty criminal to not buysome of this stuff when
someone's got it available atsuch a reasonable price.
He has all the discharge stufftoo and I mean, just going
through is awesome.
And I used to love reading Felixin Maximum Rock and Roll and
Heart Attack.
So just reading his recordreviews of shit, I enjoy.

(01:02:23):
Or not even the record reviews,like the write-ups for shit.
So everyone check that out.
Handle business.
You know what to do.
Hey.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:46):
I was just saying, we brought up Stigma, and we did
a tour with Madball when Vinnywas playing guitar for Madball a
long time ago, and he nicknamedme Bazooka Joe on the tour.
Hey, Bazooka! And I want to belike Joe.
Like, he was so funny.

(01:03:06):
Oh, the rules.
The rules.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:08):
All right, well, let's kick it off.
Everyone, this week on the pod,we have Joe DeFoster from Unity,
Ignite, The Killing Flame, Windsof Promise, and many more.
What's up, dude?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:17):
Hey.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:18):
How and when do you get into punk or hardcore, and
what was the first band or albumthat you connected with?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
I mean, straight off the bat, it was for sure Minor
Threat.
And the way I found out aboutMinor Threat was...
You know, I think I was like 13and my parents would make me go
to bed at eight.
And that's right when the Rodneyon the Rock show would come on.
And so I had a ghetto blasterand I have a 90 minute or 120

(01:03:44):
minute cassette tape and I justhit record and then go to bed.
And then I wake up in themorning and secretly listen to
the show and.
you know, so we'd be playingthese bands, whatever.
And, uh, minor threat came on,which, you know, obviously at
the time I never heard of, andit just, just floored me.
And from that moment on, it wasthat tone, that sound, that

(01:04:07):
everything, that movement, that,and that was it.
So,

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:12):
you

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:12):
know,

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:13):
yeah.
What are some early shows youremember going to?
Uh, gosh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:19):
I used to go to this place called the Vex in
Hollywood or LA and We'd seethis band called Anti.
Seems like they were the houseband playing there.
But Inger Simone's played therequite a bit.
And, you know, the Descendantsand stuff.
It was pretty amazing.
I mean, the Bills back then werelike every band you can imagine

(01:04:41):
that now headlines festivalswould all play together for like
eight bucks or four bucks.
Like Descendants, Bad Religion,you know, la, la, la, la, la.
It was crazy.
It's such a different world,though.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
but i think uh the show thatstands out the most was getting
to see minor threat actuallyplay live at a place called the

(01:05:01):
chatsworth roller rink and thatwas i think suicidal's first
show channel three playedamerica's hardcore played and uh
man there's videos of that showand stuff out there and it was
just incredible life-changinglike yeah So that, that would be

(01:05:22):
the show.
And then there was, Ian was outhere with his brother, Alec, and
there was a sign at the front ofthe minor stretch show that said
next week, the faith.
And that's probably one of my,you know, top three favorite
bands.
And I was so excited and neverhappened, but still that whole
memory of that time.
And this is all pre like Olympicauditorium and fenders.
And when things kind of gotweird and segregated and, you

(01:05:45):
know, a lot of, you know, gangstuff started happening, which
is, You know, I wasn't reallyinto it because we, my band
Unity, all the guys in the band,we kind of somehow grew up with
7 Seconds.
I could stay at Pat's house andit's just the whole posi-core
movement that they presented andthe sing-alongs and the vibe,

(01:06:08):
like, that's what we were into.
So, you know, it kind of changedeverything.
I guess, like I said, with theOlympic defenders and that vibe
of being together and we are oneand unity seemed to like start
separating and, and it becamenot fun anymore.
It became just stifling.

(01:06:30):
I don't know.
It just wasn't so good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaking of seven seconds, yousang backup vocals on the crew.
What was that experience like?
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:39):
was incredible.
We were, uh, In the room, me andPat and I think Courtney and
some other guys, and we had abasketball that we were
bouncing, so if you listenedclosely, you could hear it.
And then my drummer, PatLongrain, is the one that says,
what does he say?
Tubular, awesome, totally rad.

(01:07:01):
It's so funny, and we were justall laughing and having a great
time.
I mean, those memories are like,it's just...
It just

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:10):
felt

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
so right, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Same thing.
You sang backups on the UniformChoice demo in 1984.
Do you have any memories ofthat?
Not really.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:24):
Time, place,

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:26):
visual...
picture, like, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:29):
Yeah.
You know, it's wild, like, acouple years ago, there was,
like, that record that came outthat was, like, the pre-Dubar
uniform choice.
What do you think about that?
Like, them trying to, like,connect, like, that there was,
like, an even earlier uniformchoice that, like, we don't
really know about?

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:45):
Yeah, it's kind of cheesy, really.
I mean, that name existed inanother band, and I think, uh, i
think vic maybe might have beenin that band and somehow got pat
to sing for it and then it waspretty horrible so they kept the
name and move on moved on to theuniform choices we know now and

(01:08:09):
so maybe the original guys fromthe band um they're like okay
well let's try to sell this andwrap it up and put it out this
way yeah i don't really know idon't think too much about it i
don't really care i mean whenyou see is you see as we know it
so you know i just the politicsof who did what when where and
why like i don't care

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:30):
yeah so unity you are one this is a classic seven
inch came out in 1985 what doyou remember about recording
this record

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:38):
I actually have memories of this one.
We recorded that in LA, I thinkwith a guy named Chaz Romero.
I think it was at Radio Tokyo.
I might have got one of thosefacts wrong, but regardless,
when we got there, he justrecorded a social distortion

(01:08:59):
that might have been...
I don't remember what socialdistortion it was.
It was an early one.
It could have been 1945, butprobably not.
Anyway, so we get there.
He could care less about us,right?
And he had this block of woodset up on these vice grips, and
he wanted to record the sound ofa gun and a bullet.

(01:09:22):
So he was shooting a gun throughthese wood blocks in the studio.
We're like, okay.
And then, like I said, they runback and start working on the
social distortion mix orwhatever.
And we're like, OK, whichrecords us.
And, you know, that's basicallywhat I remember.

(01:09:43):
He didn't care about us.
He just wanted us in and out asfast as possible.
and which is fine whatever umbut i just thought it was kind
of cool because we wereobviously still social
distortion fans and you know weplayed it uh we played at the
cafe a lot but um one time monkasked us to go on tour with

(01:10:04):
social distortion uh like toberkeley and up in that area and
you know we all asked ourparents and they said no we
almost went anyway but thensomething happened and you know
we didn't get to go but justtalking to monk and just he's
such a legend and you know r.i.pbut um so those days and when

(01:10:25):
they SD would open up with, youknow, under my thumb, Nez with
the black eyeliner and just allthese impactful moments as a
young kid with a young mind andjust like, wow, like that dude's
wearing like weird makeup underhis eyes or Kevin Seconds with
the black stuff under his eyesand just all this stuff that

(01:10:45):
you've never seen before, right?
You're just like, whoa.
that's crazy that's shockingthat's gnarly that's wow and the
music's so great and like justlike i said i mean just it was
so cool to be a part of all thatyou know everything gets i guess
watered down eventually and youknow i talk to people all the
time and it's just like forexample my buddy uh mark

(01:11:09):
scandito he sings for a bandcalled shutdown And they're from
New York, Brooklyn.
And we were talking yesterday.
And he's like, yeah, man, like,we got a new record out.
It's the best thing I've everdone.
And I'm like, yeah, it is.
It's phenomenal.
And he's like, oh, we're havingtrouble, you know.
The new kids don't want to comesee us.
And I'm just like, oh.

(01:11:30):
yeah i know what you mean but isaid dude you got to keep your
chin up because it's like likeblah said it's in my blood and
this is i don't care if you likemy band or not it's not changing
how i feel inside and never willi'm gonna keep doing this till i
die and you know 99 of peoplethat are into it eventually

(01:11:50):
aren't right and so you can'tdictate your life by this little
moment in time where thesepeople don't want to come see
your band or they don't likeyour band because you're old.
Okay, whatever, buddy.
That's fine.
Move on.
It never directs my path.
It's always passion, creation,love, emotion, period.

(01:12:12):
Always will be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:13):
How do you feel about the Unity 7-inch and how
do you think it stacks upagainst other stuff in that time
frame?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:20):
It's hard to listen to it objectively, really.
Yeah.
I've never played it side byside, like, okay, I'm going to
play You Are One, and I'm goingto play a Gorilla Biscuit song,
and I'm going to play a Youth ofToday song, and I'm going to
play this song and that song,and I'm going to see if it seems
like it belongs in this mix ofthese other great bands.
I think the message was prettypoignant and good, and I do love

(01:12:47):
positive lyrics, metaphors,lyrics, whatever, but you know i
i don't know i really don't knowi don't know i i don't think
i've ever like absorbed thatrecord as like it's such a great
record oh this is a classic wellthis this is it's just like

(01:13:12):
basically it was kind of likehigh school and it's a timing
thing i think any band from hereat that time that would have
wrote those types of lyrics, Imean, I think you could have
just replaced unity or one withwhoever that might've been.
I mean, it's, it's cool.
It's good.

(01:13:32):
It's fast and it's, it'spositive, but maybe not as
melodic as I like things, youknow?
but again, I was just learninghow to play my guitar.
I could barely play a bar chord,you know, walk into a studio
with a guy shooting a gun.
So I'm

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:47):
like,

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:51):
I don't know.
I mean, it's cool.
It's, you know, it's reallycool.
Come on.
You're, you're totallyunderselling this shit.
So it's great.
Cause it's super fast and it'smelodic.
It's like, you don't, really getthe two of those mushed
together.
Like uniform choice of course isthe greatest.
Right.
But like, yeah, this is even alittle faster.
So it sounds different and, andjust very unique.

(01:14:14):
Yeah.
I thought we

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:15):
kind of maybe touched that bridge on the blood
days unity a little bit, butthen that wasn't really like a
real release.
So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Do you think that Pat Dubarddoing double duty and uniform
choice in Unity was like a netpositive or a net negative for
Unity?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:38):
Well, I'm not sure Unity would even really be on
the map the way people put it onthe map had Dubard not went on
and done that.
You know, I mean, of course, if,you know, Ian Sink from Iron
Threat and then, okay, now, Ianand Guy are singing for Fugazi
it generates an interest and youlook back in their catalog and

(01:15:01):
see what they did or where theycame from to what they're doing
now and I do think it helped forsure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:08):
But that's different because that's linear and these
two overlap so it can be alittle confusing to the
timeline.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:15):
I'm not sure if they overlap though because the thing
was when Unity stopped and I notwhy it stopped, except that I
was kind of a pro surfer at thetime and it's my head wasn't
committed a hundred percent tomusic.
I was doing other things.

(01:15:35):
And, uh, and then that uniformchoice thing popped up and
they're more talented musiciansand, you know, they got Pat
Dyson to play drums and, youknow, Vic was a great guitar
player, Dave and all that.
And, you know, and so Dubar,when that happened, direction
and which was fine um as heshould and we didn't do anything

(01:16:02):
until he decided to start hewanted to start a record label
and so then it was like okaywhen he branched off from
wishing well uh he wanted tostart a record label and he
named it powerhouse and he'slike okay well uh let's let's

(01:16:25):
re-record the unity songs andwrite a few more but that didn't
mean it was abandoned practiceand that wasn't like oh okay now
we're gonna we're working onrecording a new song it was
something relevant to him hisfirst release on his new label
and that's why blood days cameabout so but prior to him asking

(01:16:48):
that there was no unity and itwas all uniform choice

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:51):
Joe, what was the biggest wave that you ever
surfed?

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:58):
Gosh.
I was in this contest on NorthShore Hawaii Pipeline.
And I remember there was awaiting window.
You have 10 days to wait for thebest conditions.
And so the 10th day comes andthey still haven't ran the
contest.
because the waves have been toobig and on the 10th day they had

(01:17:19):
to run it no matter what flatbig small medium didn't matter
and so we get down to the beachthat morning and it was even
bigger than it hadn't in theprevious nine days and i was
like it's this little small wavesurfer from california i'm like
oh my gosh like they have tocancel this like we're gonna die

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:36):
and

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:37):
uh and it was uh called Second Reef.
It's like when it's that big,there's another reef outside of
the pipeline's main break thatbreaks.
And that was breaking and thechannel was closing out, which
is where you can paddle outsafely.
And so they're giving a, youknow, talking to all the
competitors, and I'm just like,oh, please, God, don't let me be

(01:17:58):
in the first heat, right?
Like, just let somebody raisetheir hand and say, I'm not
going out, so I could be like,yeah, that's a great idea, you
know, but nobody wanted to dothat, so we all ended up having
to go out, and of course, I wasin the first heat, and yeah, I
just remember I made it out, andjust these mountains are, you

(01:18:20):
know, coming in, and Iunintentionally drifted into the
takeoff zone.
And I remember this justmountain with an arc on the top
coming.
And I'm like, well, it's got anarc on the top.
So that must be, you know, agood way.
It must have shape.
And I was in perfect position.
Like I had to go.

(01:18:41):
And this is like the first waveof the contest.
And I remember some of the guysin the channel, it's going to
close out.
Don't go.
Like I said, you know, weren't,It didn't like me that much.
And they were trying to freak meout because they're whatever.
And I'm like, as soon as theysaid that, I'm like, I'm going,
I don't care.
And so that would have been thebiggest way that was, I don't
know, maybe 18, 20 foot face,but the thick Hawaiian back, you

(01:19:08):
know, I just kind of airdroppedand I just held on.
And I'm just like, please makeit to the channel, make it to
the channel.
And the unfortunate part of thatwas just because of that wave.
it got such a high score, Iadvanced straight to the
semi-finals.
I didn't want to go out again.
I'm like, oh man,

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:27):
that

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:28):
sucks.
So, and then at the semi, Ididn't even make it out.
I got caught in the channel andthis North rap broke in front of
me, broke my leash, broke myboard, blew me into the beach.
And, you know, and then thisreally, I guess he's quite known
photographer named Aaron Chang,I guess, Earlier in the week, me

(01:19:50):
and my friend were on the westside.
I saw this beautiful girl layingout in the sand by herself.
We were like, hey, how's itgoing?
Her boyfriend was in the watersurfing.
I'm like, well, that's not verysmart of him to leave such a
beautiful girl on the beach.

(01:20:11):
Lo and behold, it was AaronChang.
He comes up to me after I gotblown back to the beach.
He's like, you'll never be inBodyboarding

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:19):
Magazine

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:20):
again.
And he's all mad at me.
And I'm just like, okay, allright.
Back to hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:28):
Yeah, that's why.
When do you start becoming aprofessional model?

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:32):
Oh, gosh, that question.
I guess it was after the PSAAsurfing tour ended for me.
And I was at COBH, separated myshoulder, got smashed in the
sand, couldn't ride, couldn't doanything.
So I was at a bar or nightclubwith some friends.
My arm was in a sling.

(01:20:53):
And this old lady kept staringat me and staring at me.
And my friends were like, dude,dude, that girl, that lady's
going to come talk to you.
And they're like, oh, I'm like,oh my gosh, I think she is.
She is about like 60 and we werelike 20, right?
And so my friends ran away andsure enough, she's coming up and
I'm like, oh boy.
And she's like, hi, my name isso-and-so.

(01:21:15):
My husband owns a modelingagency in Los Angeles and we
haven't thought about modeling.
And I'm like, no.
And, um, He's like, well, here'sour card or his card, and you
should give him a call.
And I didn't have anything elseto do at the time, so I called
him and met with him.
And, you know, I mean, that'show it started.

(01:21:36):
And then I kind of ended up, youknow, getting a chance to see
the world for free.
And that was pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:45):
Yeah, super sick.
Did that make you, like, extraconcerned if you're, like, it
shows at Fenders?
Like, if you get smashed, like,you might ruin your livelihood?
Not at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It didn't make you moreconcerned or anything.
No, no, no.
Yeah, that's cool.
What did you do in the yearsbetween Unity breaking up and

(01:22:05):
Ignite starting?
Well, that's what I was doing.
That's that.
Okay, so tell me about puttingIgnite together.
What was the mission statementwith that band?
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:18):
started with me being in Tokyo in my apartment.
and being miserable um becauseafter the for me the thrill of
seeing all the countries and uhonce that wears off like you've
been to the louvre you've beento paris five times and in italy

(01:22:39):
and all these things and For me,always in life, too, when
there's no mystery left aroundevery corner, then life becomes
kind of boring.
So while I was doing that, I wasfocusing on language and
photography and other things.
I overstayed my contract inTokyo.
It's been three and a halfmonths, and I just...

(01:23:01):
I'm sitting there by myself,like, when was the last time I
was happy?
Like, I'm not happy.
This sucks.
I hate the concept, the act ofmodeling.
Like, it's such a weird thing,right?
It's, like, brainless, and itjust didn't resonate with me.
Like, the quick trips, like, onemonth, two months here or there,
see the world, great.
But, you know, once I was...

(01:23:23):
I mean, this is at the very endof me doing it.
And I'm sitting there and I'mlike, the last time I was happy
is when I was surfing andplaying music.
So I shaved my head.
I went to the agency the nextday.
And, you know, he's Japanese.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:37):
He's like,

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:39):
I'm like, look, you guys can keep all the money.
I just want to go home.
And so I got a one-way tickethome on Continental Airlines and
started playing music again.
And I got a hold of Brett, andwe started working on music in
my garage with a drum machine.

(01:24:00):
It was just me and Brett and adrum machine.
And, you know, kind of went fromthere.
I mean, there's a bunch of otherstuff that happens, but...
We had Joe Nelson singing for awhile, and then he was roading
for Quicksand, I think, and sohe was gone all the time, and he
was doing Trigger Man at thetime, too, so I was like, all

(01:24:21):
right, well, we kind of need tofind another singer, and then we
got Randy Johnson, amazing, andthen he was, I don't know what
happened with that.
I know he had health issues, andHe ended up going to school and
being a teacher and stuff.
So he's rad.
I mean, both those guys areawesome.
And so I think I gotdisappointed and ended up going

(01:24:45):
back to Japan.
And we don't have a singer.
And I think we even had a tourbooked, but then we didn't have
a singer anymore.
And it was with M.A.D.
And it was, I think, set upthrough Lost in Tron or
something.
Anyway.
So.
I called Brett from a park on apay phone from an illegal

(01:25:10):
calling card I bought fromsomebody off a park, right?
So Brett's like, yeah, man, wegot a singer.
Tour's back on.
You got to come home.
I'm like, really?
He's like, yeah, with thegreatest singer.
I'm like, okay.
He's like, yeah, get this.
His name's Zoltan.
I'm like, what?
He's like, yeah, the singer'sname is Zoltan.
I'm like, really?

(01:25:30):
He's like, no, you got to trustme.
He's great.
I'm like, Okay.
He's like, yeah, he's got hairdown to his ass, and he drives a
Volkswagen bus, and I'm like,uh...
Really?
So I go home and I rememberpulling up to practice and
Zoli's up front in hisVolkswagen bus and his cop
glasses, his hair's down to hisass.

(01:25:52):
And I'm just like, oh mygoodness.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:55):
Woo!

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:56):
But yeah, sure enough, he sang like an angel.
And, you know, he was Hungarianand he really wanted to do the
tour so he could, you know, goback and see his grandma in
Hungary.
And so that kind of went fromthere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:10):
What was that like going from having competent
singers to someone that isreally unique?
Did that change the way that youwere able to write songs at all?
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:22):
mean, I've always thought, I mean, Zoe can make
anything sound good.
The worst musician who couldjust play three bar chords, Zoe
would turn it into a hit.
I mean, he was just that gifted,that wonderful.
I remember we were at a bar onenight and and they had a stage
up there, and some band played,and there was an acoustic guitar

(01:26:44):
up there, and just, this is soout of Zoli's character, but
he's like, yeah, I'm gonna goplay a song, because he ended up
doing some acoustic Zoli stuff,and so he went up there, And the
bar just almost shut down andgot quiet and watched him.
And it was the purest, mostbeautiful voice I'd ever heard.
And I think he played the songcalled Vampire or something, but

(01:27:05):
it was just him singing on anacoustic guitar in some random
bar with random people.
And it just, you know, I mean,it's so rare to everybody hear
something so beautiful and juststops what they're doing and
pays attention.
And it was that moment, youknow, so proud of him and, I
just, I thought that was socool.
So that's like one of my speciallittle memories, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:28):
Yeah.
So sick.
What was it like working withlost and found records in the
nineties?
Cause it was amazing.
It was amazing.
Yeah.
Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:37):
Um, well, I guess my relationship with them started
because of no for an answer toin Europe, um, And then I guess
Burn, the owner of Lost andFound, went up to Dan and said,
hey, I'm trying to get a hold ofsomebody from Unity.

(01:27:59):
And so Dan gave the guy my phonenumber.
And so I get this call one dayand, you know, this is Brian
from Lost and Found Records.
I want to speak to Jody Foster.
I'm like, yeah, Sam.
He said, no, we want tore-release your record.
And And he did.
And he said, so, by the way,what are you up to now?

(01:28:20):
And I said, oh, I'm in a bandcalled Ignite.
He said, well, send me a demotape.
So, of course, I sent him acassette tape.
And he calls me back in threeweeks.
And he's like, do you want to goon tour with Slapshot for three
months?
I was like, yeah.
So, you know, he really was hugein the development of Ignite in

(01:28:42):
the beginning.
You know, I mean, it was...
there's so many things saidabout him and I'm sure a lot of
them are true and a lot of themaren't, but it's specifically as
far as the night is concerned.
I mean, he was the, the wind inthe sail and the, the push and
the, you know, it's, and it'sbefore all the darkness and

(01:29:04):
blackness surrounded lost andfound.
And, and, uh, you know, hereally, he really propelled
ignite for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:13):
Do you have any memories of that slap shot tour?

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:16):
Many.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:19):
We got time.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:21):
Well, okay.
We were pretty wild kids, Ignitewas.
And so we get there, and, youknow, we never met Slapshot
before.
And so Mosh, this guy namedMosh, German guy, he's a tour
manager.
He said, all right, Ignite, theyneed their sleep.

(01:29:45):
No people are allowed on thebus.
You have to be quiet at nine atnight.
And so this is our first night.
Like we haven't even slept yet,right?
Nobody's even gone to bed.
I think we've flown to Munich orFrankfurt and we're in this bus.
And, you know, Choke decorateshis bunk in black velvet, makes
it look like a coffin.
And luckily for me, I'm rightnext to him.

(01:30:07):
And it's like I haven't met himbefore.
He seems like this grumpy man tome.
And...
anyway so we're somewhere ignitebeing ignite we've run out and
you know drinking bears meetinggirls being loud and then we get
this great idea that we shouldgo on the bus and jump on the

(01:30:30):
drummer's loft or bunk righthe's in the center one and it's
just supported by plywood andwe're supposed to be quiet and
this and that and like we'rehammered and having fun And so
we're all dogpile on, and hisbunk snaps in half, crushes the
guy below him, which was like,what are their techs, right?

(01:30:53):
Joe wakes up.
And that night, even before weplayed a show, they tried to
kick us off the tour and send ushome, yeah?
So, I mean, it just went fromthere.
I mean, there would be timeswhere we'd be hiding, like, in
fields, like, making out withgirls.
And we'd see the bus startslowly driving away with the
door open.
Get in or we're leaving you.
We'd be like...

(01:31:14):
We'd have to run and jump intothe bus and stuff.
Like, it was just so crazy.
I mean, we were playing footballone day in...
So Choke was the quarterback,obviously, and I was rushing
him, but there was a huge puddleof water between me and Choke,
right?
So I'm not going to walk throughthe water, get my feet wet.
So I go around the corner and hepicked up a rock.

(01:31:36):
And so I'm running out of it.
Instead of throwing thefootball, he throws a rock at my
head.
I'm like, dude, like it wasn't arock that would have really
fucked my face up, right?
So anyway, yeah.
There are so many stories.
He's a dear friend of mine now.
I love him to death.

(01:31:57):
He's the greatest.
But, oh, man, that was one forthe record books, for real.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:04):
How long?
So you're on tour for threemonths.
How long did it take for him towarm up to you?

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:13):
I'm not sure if he ever did on that tour.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:16):
To be honest

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:21):
with

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:21):
you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Little stupid things.
You remember, like it was, uh,cause I mean, I always thought,
and I'm not sure if it's truetoday, but there, Europe to me
was always about five or 10years back.
And what was happening currentlyhere in the scene or the
movement or whatever.
So they were still sort of inthat fast paced, you know, I

(01:32:46):
don't know, minor draft, but,you know, whatever type.
So when we went over there and,you know, for a support band, we
did pretty well.
And I remember being by themerch table and Choke just
yelling at the tour manager,like, look at this, look at
this.
And, you know, our stuff wasselling pretty good and he was

(01:33:08):
pissed.
and i was like come on jackrelax dude it's all good but uh
just these weird little thingsyou remember you know but i
seriously i mean that was thetime of my life and there was
lots of stuff going on but iwouldn't change it for the world
and i love those guys and that'sit

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:31):
so yeah so call of my brothers comes out in 1995
and It's released like thathere, but then it's released as
Family in different order inEurope on Lost and Found.
Why was that?
Why not have the same record?

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:46):
I think it had to do with distribution and getting
the music out to more peoplethrough a distribution channel
that was already set up inEurope versus what I think
conversion here.
I don't think the maybeConversion's reach was that deep

(01:34:08):
in Europe and there wasn't asmany outlets or avenues to get
your music out as there is now.
And we're talking like pre-cellphone and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:22):
It's wild that the sequencing is different, right?
To have that record not startwith Asher Turn, which is like
the ultimate album opener.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:31):
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't even know what itopens with.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:35):
It opens with calling my brothers into Asher
Turn.
Oh, okay.
That's my favorite song anyway,so cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What do you remember aboutIgnite going to the East Coast
the first time?

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:43):
As soon as you say that, I think, poor Zoli.
Because our first show was inNew Jersey.
and we weren't even originallybooked on and i think uh tim
mcmahon from mouthpiece uhreally facilitated getting us on
the show and it was you knowwith mouthpiece and i think uh a

(01:35:07):
bunch of other great bands andit was so anyway so you know uh
So we get up there and we alwaysplayed with our shirts off.
I played with not wearing ashirt because I sweat so much
and I got sick of having wetshirts after every show and then
they stink.
And like, it's not like I have alaundry machine in my backpack.

(01:35:29):
So I would just play with noshirt because I just have a
sweating bum.
Like they even stole a plasticswimming pool and wanted me to
play in it to see if I couldfill it up by the end of the
show.
No, I'm going to getelectrocuted.
Not doing that.
But that's how bad I sweat,right?
So it wasn't a macho thing.
Check me out.
Look at my body.
It's because I sweat so much.

(01:35:50):
So whatever.
So anyway, so we're playing thisshow.
And we open, obviously, with AshReturn.
And I'm doing these upstrokes.
But I'm deaf in my left ear.
And I'm completely deaf.
And I'm half deaf in my rightear from a car accident.
And so I have to aim my good earinto my cabinet.
So I have my back to the crowdand have my ear in my cabinet

(01:36:13):
and watching, you know, Casey'ssnare to keep time.
And I'm doing these prettyviolent upstrokes where I throw
my picking hand up in the air.
And Zoli happened to be walkingby me at the time when I did
that, and I broke his nose.
Oh, shit.
Just before he even sang, right?
So I didn't even know I did it.

(01:36:34):
And so I looked around andblood's just gushing out of his
nose.
He has his chin lifted up.
He's holding his nose.
And, you know, whatever.
So gas again and play the songand stuff.
So, you know, the show wasgreat.
And, you know, like Tim reallyhooked it up.
And that was like, I think oneof the more important moments
for Ignite on the East Coast.

(01:36:56):
And then we ended up playingwith at Ensign's house on Handy
Street in the basement manytimes.
And that was great.
But so what happened was threenights later, I think we were in
Connecticut, and I think weplayed with Hatebreed, and...
Same part of the song, I'mupstroking and Zoey walks behind
me again and my elbow hits himin the forehead and cracks his
forehead open.

(01:37:17):
So now we're going to theemergency room two times in the
last three or four days, right?
Now he's convinced I did it onpurpose, right?
I'm like, dude, I don't haveeyes in the back of my head.
I can't see you.
And so he's just, you know, tothis day, I did it on purpose,
which I didn't.
But so just, you know, stufflike that.

(01:37:39):
I mean, remember we did a, weplayed with earth crisis, snap
case, uh, integrity us andsomebody else, um, like in
Kansas city or something.
And like 10 people showed up tothat show, you know, it was like
a$4 show.
And I just thought, you know, inretrospect, how just weird that

(01:38:01):
is, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That lineup, like the, you andZoli and Brent and Casey Jones
was like such a, powerhouseespecially as a four-piece what
did it feel like like playingwith that unit and is that the
best band that you ever playedwith

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:18):
ah man that's a interesting question really
because you know i sometimes iget asked what's your favorite
country and i'm like well i likethe smell of the city in japan
but i like the you know this ofafrica and i like this of italy
and so um I'd say no.

(01:38:40):
That wasn't my favorite band.
Yeah, it was the wildest,craziest experience of my life,
man.
It was like a whirlwind, atornado that destroyed
everything in its path, forsure.
And I'm not even sayingmusically.

(01:39:01):
But yeah, it was weird.
Because me and Brett were bestfriends even before we had this
idea to start a band together,right?
I mean, so Brett is a consummateprofessional and he decided he
chose, you know, I'm going to dothis the rest of my life.

(01:39:24):
And, you know, I was never sohard-coded into making a
commitment and decision likethat.
So, you know, obviously, Zoliwas the path to continue Ignite
and grow it.
And, you know, and I, you know,I just, at some point for me,

(01:39:46):
like, I mean, havingInterrogative playing those
songs was important to me.
And if I'm, now playing my 80thshow in 90 days playing the same
songs like you don't know thatyou don't know this is my 80th
show you're you paid your moneyyou want to see a great show and

(01:40:08):
if I'm up there kind of onautopilot like okay I'm playing
the song again like I owe it toyou to put on a good show what
is a good show well I meanplaying with heart integrity
does that include jumping aroundand going nuts maybe but it's
not gonna lie i mean doing thesame thing every single day at

(01:40:30):
some point becomes boring and wetoured so long on an ep and i
just i just want to write musicand create you know and if you
like it cool if you don't thenyou don't but i mean ultimately
if i like it that's all that youknow matters to me and you know
that's always been true so Iwant to create, I want to write,

(01:40:51):
I want to create, I want towrite.
I get it.
We got a tour and stuff.
But I mean, this is sort ofridiculous.
Like, okay, we're three, fouryears on an EP.
So I'm like, guys, you got towrite a new record.
Well, yeah, I'm not, I'm notgoing to say the responses, but
you know, I knew at that pointthat I kind of needed to get out

(01:41:11):
and I wasn't happy with mylifestyle anyway.
I mean, there was tons of bearbackstage and we had a tour
manager that would, You know, goout to the line and let all the
hottest chicks backstage forfree.
And it was just like, it wasridiculous.
So I was like, this is not how Iwant to live.
And so it changed my life.

(01:41:34):
And, you know, I came home and Ibecame a surf photographer.
Something pure and nature andstuff.
But a lot of that factored intomy decision of quitting at
night.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:44):
I remember being at your last show at the Whiskey.
What did that feel like, playingthat last show?
Because you didn't announce it.
You didn't tell anyone.
You just played it, and that was

SPEAKER_02 (01:41:52):
it.
I told Fred Hamlin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:55):
Yeah, he's the one that told me.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:41:57):
okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was weird.
I mean, in retrospect, now Ishould have maybe stayed in a
year longer.
Meaning that...
I don't know.
I missed waking up in anothercountry with the wrong money.
You get out of the bus.
You have no idea where you'reat.

(01:42:17):
You see a bakery and you want acoffee.
You bring in French money.
They won't take it becauseyou're in Belgium.
You didn't know you were inBelgium.
Crazy stuff like that.
There's so many crazy thingsthat happen.
We had this Austrian bus driverand me in this uh who's the tour

(01:42:41):
manager roadie guy anyway thatwe all got real close to his
name is finn and uh so the buspulls into a gas station it's
like 5 30 in the morning it'ssnowing it's freezing and you
know but there's a covering overthe gas station and the bus is
obviously getting gas and me andthis thing are up and like you
know let's go get a coffee realquick so we run out the back

(01:43:02):
door of the bus You know, it'slike just a little bit of change
to get a coffee, and then we'regoing to run back in the bus,
and, you know, off we go.
But the bus driver didn't seethat we ran out the back.
And, like, he's wearing a wifebeater.
I'm wearing boxers.
Like, we're in, like, slippers.
Like, and it's snowing, right?
This is a quick in and out.
Get your car to get back to thebus.
So we come out.

(01:43:22):
The bus is gone.
Oh, no.
Because he had no idea.
He figured we're still sleeping,right?
And we're like, oh, my gosh.
Like, we did not know.
where the next show was.
Country, city, anything.
And we're freezing.
We have no money.
And we're like, so we ended uplike, and this friend guy is

(01:43:42):
like, normally like bigskinhead, tattooed, like just,
he almost looks like Mike Tyson,but a white version.
It's just me looking, right?
And so I'm like, oh my gosh.
Like, and now it's snowing andwe're in like boxers and wife
beaters and slippers on the sideof the Autobahn in the snow with
our thumbs up.
trying to hitchhike to our bigplan is let's just have somebody

(01:44:07):
drop us off at the nearest city.
We'll find a record store andwe'll deal with it that way,
right?
So finally this guy, this nicePolish guy, eventually pulls
over and we sit in the back andall the seats are folded down
because there's a bunch ofchickens in cages and he's
taking them to somewhere.

(01:44:27):
So...
and we're freezing and we're allscrunched together.
He drops us off at this area.
We're like, okay, we got to findthe subway system.
We got to be close tohypothermia right now.
We're turning blue.
We're freezing cold.
This is insane.

(01:44:48):
It did chicken shit on me.
We don't know where we are.
We don't know where we're going.
It's so surreal.
We get in the subway andObviously we had to jump over
and sneak on it.
And so we look up this, uh, thesubway map and you know, it
shows all the stops.
So, okay.
We picked the one that's in themiddle.
That's gotta be the center ofthe city, the syndrome,

(01:45:09):
whatever.
So, okay, we'll go there.
So ding, ding, ding.
And we get out and we're like,okay, there's stairs to your
left and there's stairs to yourright.
So we could pick any stairs wewant.
Cause who cares?
We're just trying to find arecord store.
So we go up the stairs to theleft.
right when we come out we seeour tour bus swear to god swear

(01:45:32):
to god nobody believes thisstory i'm like no way this is
impossible right so we walk upand the guys are outside of the
bus and go hey good morning likegood morning like really like

(01:45:53):
yeah why I'm like, why?
They have no idea.
They have no idea.
Oh, my God.
It's a true story.
Nobody believes it, exceptobviously Sven and me.
But that was incredible.
I mean, miracle, incredible,whatever.
Then there'd be things wherewe'd be like, Cause I'd always

(01:46:17):
sit in the front of the buscause I smoked.
So you crack the window and itblows smoke out the, you know,
whatever.
And it wouldn't affect the bus.
And we were, I think, Sweden andwe're driving.
And next thing I know we'resideways.
We're sliding completelysideways.
Like, okay, you're going to die.

(01:46:37):
Oh shit.
Right.
And the bus driver is this guy.
He looks like Tarzan.
He's high as a kite.
He smokes like joints, likecigars.
Well, you know, just nothinggood about this.
And, uh, somehow he correctedit.
Right.
And then some of the guys got uplater and like, yeah, we had
this dream, like, like, but likeit too.

(01:46:59):
So weird.
And then this, this, this is,this is the greatest story.
So I don't know what tour thiswas.
Doesn't matter.
But we had a smaller bus thistime.
So we had a trailer hitch on theback with all of our gear and,
uh, merch and stuff like that.
So again, this is an Austriancrazy bus driver guy.

(01:47:22):
And we're driving down theAutobahn and the trailer hitch
breaks off, right?
So you go from like 40 miles anhour.
Next thing you know, you'regoing like 60 miles an hour.
And this is super bad becauseit's our gear.
It's our merch.
It's the Autobahn.
It's like, this is bad.
So dude slams the brakes on tocatch the hitch, which slams

(01:47:43):
into the back of the bus, blowsthe back window out.
We're talking about a glassgrenade of shrapnel that shoots
all the way down from the backof the bus to the front where
he's driving.
There's glass everywhere.
The hitch goes off the Autobahn,flips upside down by a barn next
to a cow.

(01:48:03):
It's upside down.
It's now we got to load thehallway in the bus.
with our gear and our merch.
So now you don't have a path toget to your bed or anywhere in
the bus.
You got to climb over boxes andamps.
And so the rest of the tour waslike that with, you know, we had
cardboard on the back of the busand Zoli hated the bus.

(01:48:25):
He peed in the gas tank.
He put sand in it.
He tried to destroy the bus.
And...
I was, you know, we had an oilleak gas leak, and I'm standing
by it smoking, and Casey divesinto a bush.
He's like, what are you doing?
And I'm like, it's just crazy.
It's crazy stuff.
And then we were at Madball, andwe almost got finger searched

(01:48:46):
going into, like, Serbia orsomething like that.
And I just remember they hadtheir weed hanging out of the
vent on top of the bus tied to astring in a bag so it wasn't in
the bus.
And I'm just like, oh, man.
This isn't good.
Like Freddie's going to getfingered.
He's going to kill someone.
You know, or he was like, dude,

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:08):
incredible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:08):
Yeah.
Do you have a,

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:11):
do you have a story from the Madball tour?

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:13):
Yeah, this, this one's kind of crazy.
We're in, I'm pretty sure inMunich and we parked in front of
the club.
And so about, I don't know, oneor two in the morning, some
squatters came out and startedbanging on the bus and,

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:29):
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
And

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:32):
so we go out there and, you know, they, uh, cause
you're disrespecting, you know,the bus and, you know, all this,
whatever.
So we, we, we go out there andabout halfway down the block,
you see these squatters andthey're standing there naked,
like, you know, flopping theirdicks at us and flipping us off.
And So we go back into the bus,happens again, boom, boom, boom,

(01:49:56):
boom, boom.
So now you see like Hoyer andFreddie and, you know, whatever,
everybody like running out ofthe bus, putting their slippers
on, like, okay, that's it.
It's on.
And I just remember somebody hadlike a Gatorade bottle in their
hand and caught the guy andblasted the, you know, glass

(01:50:18):
Gatorade bottle on his head.
And the girl starts screaming.
So we go back to the bus.
And apparently there's a trailof blood and whatever.
So we're laying there.
And we're like, wow, that waspretty gnarly.
And next thing you know, youhear the bus door open.
And you hear walkie-talkies andstuff.

(01:50:39):
And it's the police.
And so I guess the police ideawas to come in and look for
somebody that had blood on theirhands or cuts on their hands to
find the person that did this.
So I'm laying there.
I'm like...
my bunk with the curtain shutand I hear the next thing I know
my curtain opens and there'slike a German shepherd like
sniffing me right so they'regoing to the bus with like a dog

(01:51:03):
and they're looking for a personwith a bloody hand and nothing
ever came of that but I meanjust a hot breath of the dog
like when you're just sittingthere kind of like oh my god you
know another show I think thisis the first time we ever met
Madball, and we got there atnight.
And they had lit the metal trashcan on fire, and they were all

(01:51:25):
doing doo-wop around it, likeNew York style, and it was
just...
Such a surreal, amazing thing.
I mean, they were always suchgood guys to us.
Like when we'd go to New York,like they'd take us out on the
town.
And I remember stigma, karaoke,uh, Sinatra, New York, New York
one night in some club.
And, uh, it was justmesmerizing.

(01:51:46):
Right.
I mean, they were just likeRoger and all those guys were
just the sweetest to us.
You know, they're just like,couldn't be more different.
Couldn't be from more differentplaces.
And, you know, I don't know whythey took us in and loved us but
they did and you know it's justso many great times with them

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:03):
so that rules hey joe you've been so great with
your time i really appreciatethis for sure of course uh any
final thoughts kevin

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:12):
i just love hardcore right now uh fya was just kind
of one of those rejuvenatingthings and i'm just unbelievably
excited for 2025 like i saidearlier i think that it's going
to be uh A legendary year.
So I'm excited.
I'm glad I'm able to talk aboutFYA.
I don't think I shouted out Bobspecifically earlier, but Bob
does a great job.

(01:52:33):
People don't really realize thatFYA, they talk about an FYA
team, but there is one.
But at the same time, FYA is oneguy.
Everything comes through Bob.
So I just want to give him ashout out for all the hard work
he puts into it.
I mean, it's a year long job.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Bob's the man.
Kevin, where can the people findyou?

(01:52:55):
I am on Instagram,NotFairToFlare.
My band is on Instagram as well,Fall Salvation.
I think it's FallSalvationHC.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:02):
Get at me, 185milesouth at gmail.com.
I respond to everyone.
Also, we're on all the socials,185milesouth.
We're also on Substack.
I write about hardcore once in awhile.
I don't know how long.
Dude, writing is fucking hard.
That was a terrible idea,starting that thing, but it is
sick.
It's a companion piece for thepodcast so like we do these

(01:53:23):
episodes you know you can checkout the playlist you can also
check out the sub stack I writeabout the stuff that we talk
about so there's that everyonewe love you all we'll talk to
you again next week on patreon

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