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No no, no, no,four. It was four. It was
four. You can't give it megot it. It was a very very
very slow news this week because werocked out with y'all last I actually have
no news. Um. One ofmy news though, this news what got

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on the new side. Brother RKelly made the news. That's your man,
go go ahead. They ain't.They ain't my man. We ain't.
We ain't related. I related thatman at all our Kelly made the
news talking about he girls, sixor seven girls living up in the house

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with him. Under age, youknow, not they're not under age.
Yeah, so that's wrong news,that's fake news. I want to be
like Trump, that's fake news.But these both they had girls living in
the house with them. The mainthem that that the third my point of
view wanted is they're not trying togo back to the other Chicago. So

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yeah, they want to stout herein the suburbs and that big ass house,
eating every day, smoking, drinking, laying up, not having to
do shit. They're gonna do itbecause it's sad that he go down to
the hood to get the girls togo to the schools and strip clubs.
That's when he knew him, Matt, but you know, you know we

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got girls. Well that really justmade me think differently about it. Like
when you first hear it. R. Kelly's a creep. It's weird.
It's nasty. But then when somebodysaid something about Hugh Hefner, I was
like then, like he was aman with his little rope rove on,
like he had eighteen year old awhole bunch of them because he had a

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show and it was eighteen year oldcenter phone. Like, yeah, he
had a show, like a actualshow you tune in, like a reality
sell. It wasn't a problem.I just sleegends made me go like,
I still think y'all that we haven'tforgiven R Kelly about the alleged incident a
few years ago. We still haven'tforgiven, and we don't know what that

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was him or not. I'm goingto use alleged that I don't know.
I don't know. It's all alleged. I don't want to y'all never know.
I might mess around and have RKelly on it. Oh, dall
alleged, dall alleged. I gotmy man shout out to my man,
Marcus shout in the shot. Isee you listen, booty exactly. We

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haven't we haven't forgiven him for that, but you know it is what it
is. Um. He made alot of great music. R Kelly made
tons and sons, of great music, but a lot of times the music
that he made was overshadowed by hisum incidents that happened outside of music.
And you know that should want noaccidents. He manipulated a situation. Ain't

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capitalize off somebody. But we messedup at she was after the age of
eighteen to twenty one. That's wherehe messed up. As I told the
settlement and all that. But whateverI mean, he made the news.
It was made the news selling ColinKaepernick, the cut his hair. Well
that and get a job. I'mgonna stop you right there because we got

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our guest on the line Immune.Yeah, ladies and gentlemen listening. I
got it. I got it,ladies and gentlemen listening. A good friend
of mine. Um, somebody thatI grew up with, doctor Umar Johnson,
is on the line, lib anddirect right now. Was good with

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your brother. Piece of love,Black family. Thanks for having me on
the show. Get to be livewith you, brothers. I appreciate it.
Man. Um, listen, Iwant to take the time to apologize
to you first, because um,y'all gonna laugh at this. But in
nineteen ninety one, I stole anAfrican medallion from you. I'm issuing an

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apology right now, and damn it, I rocked. I rocked that African
medallion all summer up and down leeHigh Avenue on my way to see brother
Clinton. The whole summer that itwas like what it looks like. I'm
trying to remember. It was thered, black and Green woman. I

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broke in your room in a largeline and stolen. But I'm gonna tell
you what, Mdillon, That Mdaillonstopped me from getting robbed. Um.
I got to the gas station upat Lehigh right were brought in Lehigh and
I think that was gonna run upon me. I pulled the Mdillon out

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and it was like Aquaman or something. They was like, yo, all
he good and I ran the restof the way over the Start Street.
God is good. That's what's up, absolutely man. But again it's two
ball black guys from Philly. I'mglad you're here. Brother. How's life
been going for you? All ofsdone well? All has done well?

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Uh, no complaint. You knowa lot of goods. A few down,
but overall it has been a tremendousride. If I could throw it
all over again, I wouldn't changeyour things. Most definitely, absolutely,
most definitely absolutely. I know wedon't want to flood you with the news

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that's going on today, but Yester, a couple of days ago, we
had Michael Vick made some comments aboutColin Kaepernick, and I saw you posted
something on your Instagram you want totalk about. Yeah, I was disappointed
and Michael vickster doing that. Ibelieve it may have been motivated, you
know, out of a financial needon his part to earn one of those

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commentator positions on one of the majorsports networks. That's what I think is
going on now that he's retired financially. You know, I don't know where
he is, but a lot ofothers when they retired, even when they
are very successful white athletes as well, you know, the next step is
to land one of those commentator positions, which I hear pay very well.

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You know, you see jalaln Roles, Charles Barkley, Shannon Sharp. You
know a lot of people desire tohave one of those positions. You know,
it's a very good second career fora lot of athletes. So I
guess his comments were really directed atproving to the white control sport networks that
you know he's an acceptable black fan. You know that I'm the type of

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Negro that can sit right in withthe operation that you have despite my past
of being you know, in carceringyou over dog fighting. And you know
it hurts though, because I thoughtMichael Vick more than anyone else, because
of how he was mistreated by theNFL, I thought he, more than
anyone else, would have been ableto empathize with brother Colin a little bit

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more. I thought he would havebeen one of his greatest supporters, looking
at how his best years were snatchedfrom him over something as ridiculous as dog
fighting. When white men go huntingand kill sissless animals all the time,
so it's almost you know, it'sokay to it's okay to kill any other
animal in the world. You gotelephants, endangered, lions are endangered,

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well, endangered deer are endangered.I mean, you have open animals that
are endangered species because they're being killedregularly by white folk. But yet and
still we're gonna descore your career overkilling dog So that's the double standard that
you know, black men have toexist under in America. I agree that

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hasn't capitalize off that actually because Chinapay. You gotta pay China to take
a pan out of that country.Yeah. I was in China a couple
of weeks ago, you know,and this was a very very valuable experience
to see how the Chinese. Ican see why America don't like China.
You know, we went into themall and as opposed to America, where

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if you're selling the play products,you have to do it out of your
trunk. You gotta do it,you know, in a very covert ashion.
In China, they will bootleg yourstuff right in front of your face.
So you go into the mall andthere's you know, true religion genes,
a whole store full of true religionbootleg, a whole store full of

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polo boot leg. The Chinese willsell anything and they don't care how you
feel about it. Bootlege Jordans,you know, they have a bootlege Jordans
with the Jordan upside down, youknow. But you know, I can
see why American doesn't like them,because China is the Walmart of the universe.
China produces everything. There's nothing youcould want to manufacture that China doesn't

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make. And because of that,they're creating a political economic situation where the
whole world may sooner or later becomedependent on China for the things that it
needs, and of course act youknow, the resources. Africa is the
Walmart of the world when it comesto diamonds, when it comes to gold,

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when it comes to gas, whenit comes to oil. So the
reason why China and America are engagedin this competition is because each of them
desires very much to possess Africa,because whoever possesses the resources of Africa controls
the world, because no country canlive, no country can exist without the

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of Africa. So the way Chinaseason, China is saying, if I
can get Africa, if I cancontrol Africa, I'm all in manufacturing shiant
of the world. I would nowbe the natural resource shiant of the world.
And that's why America is so concernedabout China. Wow, I'm if

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I may ask, how was theturnout for your speaking engagements in China.
They were well attended. They werein as large as what I would get
into the United States or the UKor the Caribbean, but they were very
respectable of turnouts. You don't havea lot of a kids in China,
but you have a lot of Africansin China. In other words, as

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a percentage, you know, it'sprobably not even worth mentioned in the amount
of Africans in China, But interms of raw numbers, there's tens of
thousands of Africans in China. Andwhen I say Africans, I'm speaking of
not only Africans from the continent,but Africans from the diaspora, including African
Americans. There's a lot of us. I would even argue that there has

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to be a couple of millions.I just said a couple hundred thousand,
but I think there has to bea couple of millions because I was only
supposed to speak in Tokyo. Ibelieve I was only supposed to speak in
Tokyo. And once we scheduled theTokyo event, they started getting calls from
Beijing in Shanghai and the Koya andwe even got calls from Hong Kong in

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Vietnam, and so all these blackpeople across Asia started reaching out to the
host in Japan, and that's howI began to get a sense of how
many black people are actually in Asiaand our screens out to connect with other
blacks from around the world. Yeah, that might be for military too,

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though from a lot of people,a lot of it is most the three
biggest reasons were the four biggest reasonsthat you have Africans in China from America,
they coming for jobs. From theCaribbean, They're coming for jobs.
Also from America, you have AfricanAmericans going over there for investment, and

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also they're over there for the military. And then also if this reason would
be for higher education China, fromwhat I was told by a lot of
the African Americans over there for college, they offer a lot of really good
collegiate packages. In other words,from what I'm being told, the tuition
is much cheaper to go to collegein China than what you have to pay

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to go to college in America.So ironically, you know, you have
a lot of African Americans going toChina instead of going to HBCUs in the
States because it costs them less money, which is somewhat understandable because as you
know, at a historically black college, we are considered the majority, which

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means that the scholarships ironically at anHPCU institutions designed to teach black folks often
give away most of the scholarships tonon black people. Absolutely right. I
went to an HbA, HBCU,Granblin State University in the house. I
went there, and I totally agreewith that point that you're saying. And

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it's the dynamic that you just explainedis kind. I had no knowledge of
that, So I mean, that'san interesting dynamic. You know, I
got you know, I got ason, KLi has children. I mean
I think Klei's children actually are overin Asia right now. That's right,
clar they're back from Korea. Mydaughter just graduated from um South Korea High

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School. Actually just graduated this sharefrom the South Korea High School, the
class of twenty seventeen. You knowwhat I mean. But look, but
check this though well respected in myworld, you know what I'm saying.
I definitely agree with a lot ofyour ideals. And I'm saying, you'll

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talk about the biggest influence of ourpeople right now, what has been an
influence on our people, which iship hop? Hip hop music carried It's
been an influence on our people.The music has been an influenced over a
long time. I talked to youngguys and I used to work at you
know, a Human Services Company Humanyou know here in Philly. You know
they say, oh, well,y'all had the same stuff, mister Mitchell.

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Mister Mitchell, y'all had the sameI was like, Noah, but
we have balance. We had somebodyelse do this, just that in the
third and you know we also addsomebody Sam, but just holds this that
in the third? What's just step? And I heard you speak on it
before, you know, on YouTubeor something like I was checking while but
what's this state on? A stateof hip hop? Because hip hop?

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Hip hop to me is a partof my life. You know what I'm
saying, It's been a part ofmy life for a very long time.
What's this state on? Because ifyou do and then I know you probably
I don't know if you've seen thisonline or not. The megos and Joe
buttons like this ship is ridiculous.I came to talk to these dudes,
Well, this state on hip hohop? Right now, let's keep on
one hundre with it. Well,if we look at it politically, And

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I couldn't have said it better whenyou said the balance we had to balance.
When I think back to my Scotlandschool days, large line days and
you know, I was a Iwent from public enemy to Norty by nature
to Tupop. That was the evolutionfor me in terms of my favorite artists,

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So from Chuck D to Tretch toTupop and you know what you said,
it was the balance. Every evenif you were against rapper, you
still felt leigated to put a coupleof conscious tracks on your album. So
whether you're talking about EPMD, EricB and Rock Kim Pick Daddy came Slick

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Rick, you know, Cool moD, all of them had the gangster
the swag, but they also hadthe conscious energy to balance it out.
You know. Politically, we alwayssay that you can always tell the psychological
time of day four people by lookingat their popular music and their popular movie.

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If you go back to the sixtiesduring the Black Power Revolution, the
Civil Rights Error, a lot ofour music was Black Power. When the
crack came in in the nineteen eighties, and then we sold off d.
Coming about of NWA nineteen eighty sixto nineteen eighty eight, I think NWA

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had a lot to do with whileso many rappers ultimately went gangster as opposed
the gangster consciousness balance because with nWayyou had it and a group that was
openly using the N words, openlymemorizing black on black crime in murder with
no major airplay, going platinum.So I think a lot of upcoming artists

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that wait a minute, look atthese dudes over here, I mean,
Public Entity going platinum. But they'rethe top group, Nordy by Nature going
platinum. But you know what Imean, they get mainstream radio play.
But here's a group over here that'sdoing similar numbers with no major radio play,
and they're selling out the store.So I think one of the motivations

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for why so many artists went gangsterat the turn of the century, why
to kay, you know. Andeven looking at that nineteen ninety five on
up, I really think a lotof it had to do an opportunity.
I think they looked at the economicsof it and said, hey, you
know, the positive rap is good, but this thanks the rat looks like
it's the thing of the future.And then we also have to recognize that

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the music company came in behind that. And I said, nineteen ninety four
is a critical year because nineteen ninetyfour is when we get Bill Clinton's climb
Bill mass and in USA, andalong with that you see a shift in
the music industry's interest away from rejectinggangster rat. Remember now, there was

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a period where the major music labelsdidn't want to touch gangster rat. If
you're talking about shooting, they wantednothing to do with it. You remember
see the Loris Tucker and all thestanding up, we don't want this in
our community. All of a suddenthat died and went away. And the

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reason it died and went away isbecause America said, listen, we don't
have no place for black men inour society. We gotta get rid of.
So what we have to do iswe have to call on the music
company to promote the same thing they'vebeen running away from. But now what's
going to be state sanctioned by thegovernment because we have to use gangster rat

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to advertise crimes to young black males, so they will commit that crime and
end up in prison. And nowwe see a situation where a lot of
the same business interests that invest inmusic are simultaneously investing in mass incarceration.
So gangster Rat in twenty seventeen,has become the marketing scheme for mass incarceration

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of young black men. Damn doctorUmar All of us on the show right
now, and we have a wehave a co host with us, Bella.
She's in the building. We allPiece of Love Systems, we all
have children that are on this showright now. What do you view the

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current state of our youth and howcan we get our youth to that next
level to not only be productive insociety, but to maintain a sense of
equality going forward. I know wehad some um with our current rema go
ahead, but my sense of theyouth is you talked to an eighteen seventeen,

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fifteen year old, even my daughter, Uh, dad, we don't
really see a race like that likethat. Well I'm not at my school,
No I don't. I don't reallysense that somebody else. But I'm
thinking, like, nah, it'sto a lot a lot of weld,
but maybe not in their world.But it just seemed like they just taken

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it, you know, like,um, we're gonna blind their youth,
like no, it's no racism.Nah, it's so everything's fine. But
then it really hit them when they'regett into the adult world. Because I
have to say that her fat Joesay that, like, what do you
mean? I don't see raised likethis? I've heard people kids say that

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they live our head in Montgomery County. Well, a lot of that is
our fault, though, when Ilook at the millennial generation and I look
at the youth of the day,they are what we groomed them to be.
They are what we allowed them tobecome. We drove them all when
it came to our youth. Andwhen you look at it, ever since

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the Civil rights still, ever sincethe integration of America, you see a
conscious attempt our black parents, theblack church, black leadership, and the
black community as a whole to getas far away from their blackness as possible.
So the sending of our children towhite schools, they're moving into the

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white neighborhoods, joining the integrated organizations. You know, we tried to get
away from our blackness. And thishas been a scene of black people ever
since became to America. So thisis nothing new. This whole mindset that
says white people will treat us betterif we stop acting like black people has
been proven to be false over ourfour hundred years surjourn in his country.

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Remember now, gentlemen, we'll becelebrating four hundred years of our experience in
America on August to twenty first oftwenty nineteen, sixteen nineteen to twenty nineteen.
So we've been at this for threehundred and ninety eight years of trying
to act like we're not black tobe accepted, and it has never worked
because regardless of psychologically as socially,how you try to present yourself. You

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know, take a Barack Obama forexample, there's no black man in American
history who has been able to imitateand copy and parrot a white man as
well as Barack Obama. He talkedwhite, dressed white, looked white at
white, smile white. His wholevalue system was totally upper middle class white
America. And look what they didto Obama. The only reason why you

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have a President Trump is because youhad a President Obama. Had Obama not
been black, Trump would not beyour president. Trump was made president because
it was part of the white backlashagainst the fact that the American polite structure
would dare with dare put a blackman, even with a white mother.
It was still an egregious crime againstwhite racism to put a black man in

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the White House. So despite thefact that Obama was as close for a
white man as you could get hewas never considered white by white people.
And that's something that we need tounderstand. Now. Taking that back to
our children, we have to reafricanize our children. We have to conscientize
our children. They are what theyare because we have allowed them to be

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that. And it bothers me becausethis millennial generation can potentially undue all of
the struggles that black people had beenimmersed in for four hundred years. It
can in a generation. It canbe undone in a generation if we do

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not reafricanize and conscientize them. Thisgeneration seems to value multi culturalism, non
racialism, post racialism, okay,anti sexualism. They are involved in supportive
of nearly every major social campaign thatspells disaster for Black America. I say

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that all the time, all thetime, and young people, I say
all the time, they support it. It's about anything media say support and
I don't think they. I don'tthink that they're black enough. But that's
just met came at a worse time. Social networks couldn't have come at a
worse time, because what you haveis you have them the worst raised generation

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of Black children in America ever,so worst raised general ration of black children
in America. Ever, the leaseconscious, the lease discipline, the lease
motivated, and then with that incomesa social network revolution that basically gives every

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individual person in the world a platformto project their views. No matter how
this started, no matter how untrue, no matter how harmful, you now
have a platform to project your ignoranceto the entire world unfiltered. That's absolute,

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that's absolutely think about it that way, exactly, It's absolutely true,
doctor Umar. I know you gofrom city to city. I saw your
your listed cities that you were goingto stop in when you gave us the
plug on your Instagram. I appreciateit. Um, we got cities like
Chicago. We know violence is atan all time high in Chicago. When
you're out when you're out there inChicago doing your speaking engagement, what's the

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sense that you get from the neighborhoods, what's the sense you get from the
people when you're out there speaking,because we know it's a crisis there.
I mean, what was it?And when Chicago had a hundred murders over
the fourth JIB weekend and I thinkthat sit is sick or whatever. I
would like to see the video footageof these murders, what I'm being told

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in Chicago, about brothers and sisterson the ground, about community leaders,
organizers, working class black folks.You know, Chicago played a big role
in my rise, which in theblack consciousness and black leadership circles. I
spend more time in Chicago and NewYork than any other city in the world,

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and being there as often as Iam, I'm not really seeing as
much evidence of what's the media isprojecting to us and what I'm being told
by brothers and sisters in Chicago.A lot of these murders are not being
done by black folks. I reallybelieve that Chicago is being purged, just
like the movie what did you seein the Purge? In the Purge,

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you saw what appeared to be senselessacts of violence, but we're actually orchestrated
assassinations Bago local government, especially inthat Purge too perche free movie, And
so I think the same thing isgoing on in Chicago, where the government
is systematically reducing the population of blackpeople in Chicago. Here's the question you

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got to ask yourself, and bythe way, to substantiate that, there
was an AP article, an AssociatedPress article that was handed to me in
Chicago about one or two years agothat basically said that Chicago police, Chicago
police were leaving weapons on the tin Chicago, deliberately leaving weapons, yes,

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so black people could pick them upand use them, which shouldn't come
as a surprise because a couple ofyears ago the NACT and I'm not a
big fan of the NAACP, butthey have done some good things. The
NAACP sued for the right for guncompany to be held accountable for murders done
with their weapons when the weapon couldnotbe traced to illegal sale. Because everyone

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knows that the gun companies of Americahave black market salesmen who go into the
ghettos of black America and sell gunsstraight from the factory in the way that
they cannot be traced. So weknow that this entire black on black fracture
side epidemics is being supported by thegun companies, the National Rifle Association.

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But also Chicago is a city thatAmerica wants to take back. It is
geo politically very important to America interms of import export, in terms of
being an economic powerhouse. They wantblack people out of America, and I
believe that all of these murders thatare taking place in Chicago are not being
done at the hands of black folks. That're being done at the hands of

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paid mercenary armies who go into thestreets of Chicago at night and kill brothers
and sisters and blame it on otherblack folks. Here's the question you gotta
ask yourself. Chicago has more streetsurveillance cameras than any city in America except
maybe New York City. So thatmeans every major intersection is being videotaped everyone,

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even the small streets. Chicago gotcameras everywhere. So how can you
have so many unsived murders in acity that is almost perpetually being videotaped twenty
four hours a day. How doyou explain unsived murders in a city that
is that well supervised videographers And theonly answer could be remant complicity. The

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government is killing black folks in Chicago. We are responsible for some of those
murders. We are responsible for alot of those murders. We are not
responsible for all of those murders.And the other thing that must be kept
in mind, brothers and sisters,is this, what is the mother of
all crime mis education. Chicago hasthe worst school system in America for a

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large city. What is the fatherof all crime economic castrations. Chicago has
the highest unemployed blackmail rate of allmajor cities in America. If we go
back eighty years, who was thekillers, who was the game fingers,
who was the drug dealerst who wasto shoot him up? Boys? Who
was running the rackets? Who wasrunning the illegal crime enterprises in America?

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It was Jewish gangsters, Italian gangsters, and Irish gangsters. They did the
same thing that black men do todayin Chicago and all across Black America.
The difference was in nineteen forty theUnited States government upgraded they racist Jews,
Irish and Italians to first class whitestatus. And when they did that,

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they gave the Irish the police departmentsin the black community, they gave the
fire department in the black community,and they gave the Jews the civil service
government jobs in the black community.So all we are doing. The crime
that you see being perpetuated by blackmen is the exact same crime eighty years
ago that was perpetuated by Jews,Irish and Italians. But Americans America gave

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them an economic stimulus package. Americanever gave us a hand up, but
it gave them a hands out.Absolutely, Yeah, I'm glad. I'm
glad you're able to say I'm gladthat Chicago is that almost like especially in

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New York City? Um, wheredo you get the most love at all
the tours that you do, allthe speaking engagements that you do, where
do you where do you find themost people need you? They need you
to come back to they need youto speak to the people. Where's it?
Because I know you are Philly dudeto the heart. I've seen you
in interviews with a sear sucker suiton, sharp as attack and you got

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a Philly hat on, you knowit, and you put me on the
day by the way, Yes,lead sa Ariel yep. But so what
I would say, I would theanswer to that would be really difficult.
And the reason it's difficult is becausethe most disheartening thing that I see when

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I travel the world, and whenI say the world, I don't just
mean the country, I mean wherethe world. You mean to win the
world? Check this out. Theblack ghetto is an international reality. The
black ghetto is an international reality.Wherever I go, I don't care if

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I'm in Jamaica. I don't careif I'm in South America. I don't
care if I'm in Canada, Alaska, London, France, Austria. I
don't care where I go. Fellas, there's a ghetto and there's four constant
realities for black people. I don'tgive it them where we live and this
includes Africa, and we go toGhana on Thursday, god willing, where

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a black people live. This massunemployment of black man. I don't care
where you go on the planet.I don't care where you go on the
planet. There's mass unemployment of blackmales. There is high levels of single
playing black mothers. There is amiseducation machine in priest a school to prison
pipeline in every city in the world. Okay. On top of that,

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okay, you also have a whiteJesus everywhere you go in the world.
Black people still in love with whiteJesus. And I'm stop talking about Christianity.
I'm talking about the image, theimage of the white Christ. And
then the other reality is black people'secon to me. Everywhere in the world's
totally controlled by non black people.I don't care where you go. I

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don't care where you go, somebodywho don't look like you is selling you
the things that you need. Andso when you say which place would need
that energy the most, I can'tchoose one over the other because we are
in exactly the same place on allseven continents. Hey, And when I

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travel, people always ask me,they say, die about what city is
doing it right? What black communityis doing it right? What example,
if you had to pick one citythat you think has it together, it
is working to get it together,it's on its way to making it happen,
give us that city so we canemulate them, so we can replicate

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them, so we can copy them. And the sad thing, gentlemen,
there's not one city I can nameon Earth where I can say the black
even halfway to getting their reality together. It is not as a black community
in the world where you can finda black owned supermarket, a black owned
bank, a black owned independent schoolin a in a slack owned hospital,

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bank, school, hospital, andsupermarket. You cannot find those four institutions
in anyone's black community that we ownon the planet Earth. Wow, that's
and that's what you know? Whatwhat kind of parlay? What's you about
to say, Kurt, that kindof parlay my next question, maybe my

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last question, that that's absolutely thetruth. Yeah, that is true.
That is true. Man, Listen, it don't take much to pete there.
And that's why I want you tohear these conversations about post racialism.
And you know, I often talkabout the illusion of inclusionists, belief that

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black people have that we've made it, that we've come a long way.
Whenever people give me that, becauseI hear a lot of that from the
black bourgeois, I always challenge thatwhat is your definition of progress when people
say we've come a long way?Because you know, this is gonna be
a real big conversation in two years, brothers, this is gonna be a
real big conversation the summer of twentynineteen when we celebrate our fourth century in

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this country as enslaved African people,because of course we we're here for for
slavery. And I'm speaking specifically ofthose of us who are descendants of the
Africans who are enslaved, because Icertainly am My people were not here for
for slavery. My answer came overon the slave ship, So I know
where I come from, and Icame from those ships that came from Africa.
And so when we look at fourhundred years of that summer after night,

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it's gonna be a real big conversation. It's gonna be all kinds of
conversations taking place. How far havewe come in four hundred years? And
when people say we've come a longway? I asked them, what is
your definition of progress? And unfortunately, most African Americans have a very superficial
death of progress. It is verysuperficial. They judge progress purely form one's

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ability to accumulate college degrees, materialassets, and high ranking status positions within
the white polar structure. I repeatcollege degrees, material assets, and high
ranking positions within the American college structure. So for them, because we had
a Barack Obama means we've come along way. For them, because the

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black man designs the hummer in aCadillac truck, we come a long way
for them, because we have aOprah Winfrey. For them, because we
have so many black people with collegedegree, you see, to them,
that equals progress. Will for me, as a Pan Africanist, as a
Garveyite, as a revolutionary nationalist,that's not my definition of progress. My

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definition of progress is real, simplon, to what extent slavery ended in eighteen
sixty five? Okay, we areone hundred and fifty two years out of
slavery. One hundred and fifty twoNot that long away, gentlemen, not
that the law. To what extenthave we as a people been able to

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develop political and economic power at alevel that allows us to create the institutions
and systems and processes that we needin order to safeguard the future of our
babies and our descendants five hundred yearsafter we are dead. In other words,

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to what extent to blacks in Americacontrol their future? Zach is the
definition of progress. When slavery ended, we only own one half of one
percent of all of America's wealth.Today, we still only own one half
of one percent of all of America'swealth. Even with the Michael Jordan's,
even with the Lebrons, even withthe Oprah's and the JD. Tobbh theps,

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we still only own a half ofa percentage of America's wealth. And
if you don't control the wealth,you don't control your reality. Because as
long as you have to work forsomebody else, you will never be free.
And so slavery never ended. Itjust transformed from a physical chad slavery
to an economic financial slavery. DoctorUmar, shut this out real quick.

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What's your view on these athletes signingthese outrageous supermax contracts? And I know
these dudes are death thumbing blind inmy eyes, but what's your view on
that? But these got I mean, you got James hard and making more
than Michael Jordan. You got Jameshart And making more than people that run
countries. You know, what's yourWhat's what's your view on that? I'm

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signing like they signing. They signedin the history of the world the highest
contracts for athletes periods. Right Now. Here's the thing though, with that
high first of all, with thathigh contract, so much of that money
is already old out to the agents, lawyers, publicists, taxes, and

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all the other things that go alongwith it. So you got to chop
that down to what is the actualnet take home pay for the act of
that? Yeah, follow me,because in most cases they might get forty
to sixty percent of that money,but for most of them, forty percent
of it is automatically gone, Sothey're left with and others they're left with

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sixty percent, and then you mightget scale that down to about forty percent,
okay, and then you got tolook at how much of that is
guaranteed versus what is waverable and dischargeableby the team. So although it is
the most money that athletes have evergotten, it also tends to come with
a lot of strings as well.And one of the strings that comes with

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this money and I was tumled thisby an agent. He told me,
said, Doc, listen, theyget paid well, but they are also
told that if they want to keepthat type of lifestyle that they're living,
that they better stay away from anytype of political agitation and activity. He
said, You'll never get an NBAathlete to staying side by side with you

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because you gotta remember, gentlemen,being in entertainment, it's all about your
marketability. It's all about your marketability. Who's finding the tickets to the next
games, Who's find the tickets tothe Cleveland game, who's finding the Super
Bowls? Who's finding jay Z's album? Who's buying be it ain't the Black?
We'll get them off to Avenue Fallfor twenty. White folks are the

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driving force behind these athletes. Theirsalaries more often than not are being paid
by white and more often than notbeing paid by international cultural minorities. Chinese
NBA is real thick in China,the NFL is will thick in the UK.
So if I'm a black athlete andmy agent tells me, listen,

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you gotta stop and hanging with thesame people. What got Alan Iverson in
trouble. One of the things Igot Alan Iverson in trouble. He said,
listen, I'm not gonna change whoI am just to do what I
need to do. As long asI'm winning, it shouldn't matter. And
what he found out, unfortunately thehard way, it does matter because the

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NBA is still another white racist institution. The NFL is still another white racist
institution. If we make you,we can break you. And because you
can only exist off the positive reputationfrom white folks who buy your buy your
jerseys, and purchase your merchandise.The minute white folks are long and like
you. We belong and needs you. And that includes anybody from Michael Vick

(44:53):
Okay to Sharif after Rauf to ColinKaepernick. Look at Colin Kaepernick. That
man was destroyed overnight for taking astand against police brutality and the saddest thing
about the Colin Kaepernick situation. Butfirst of all, it showed us what
that the midst of the powerful blackblack athlete is nothing but the miss.

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It's nothing but a miss. Theblack athlete is not powerful. He's the
weakest chain in the whole leak.But it also showed me how powerge black
athletes are because of all the blackquarterbacks would have stood with Colin, if
all the black NFL players would havesaid, we will not play, we
will not play if this man isnot put on the rocketers. If they

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would have done that, they wouldhave took Colline Kaepernick back overnight. He
would be playing right now. Ifhis brothers, if his cowardly black fellow
athlete, would have still for CollineKaepernick. Because the NFL is a multi
billion dollars multi national corporation. TheNFL is publicly traded on Wall Street,
the NBA is publicly traded on WallStreet. You can't afford to have a

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sport that's dominated by blackmails, boycottedby the same black males that earned you
that billion dollars. So if theywould have stood with Tylan Kyle with being
the league right now, but becausetheir self, like most black people are
so For me, I don't likethe single out the black athlete. The
black athlete is nothing but an exaggeratedversion of what the average black man is.

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We gotta keep it real, gangster, we gotta keep it a buck
black man could earn Michael Jordan's salary, if the average black man could earn
Lebron Jordan's salary, if the averageblack man could be in jay Z's position,
they would willingly, willingly turn theirback on their people. Let me

(46:44):
let me say this. In theBlack consciousness of community, right people are
black, they say, why can'tall the so called leaders? And I
don't like to say leaders because mostof them not leaders. They hustler.
And I'm gonna be very close thatmost US community are hustle. I want

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to be very clear about that.Very okay. In fact, let me
take it another step purpose, gentlemen, the Black conscious movement is nothing but
the Black church with a dashiki on. Let me say it again. The
Black churchious community is nothing teras cityexploitative black church, which a that you

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rap in some frank instance and mirth. That's all it is, Okay,
And all that is happening in blackconsciousness is the same thing that happens at
the church. We take in thismoney from black folks, and what do
we give them for it? Information? What does the church give you information?
How does black consciousness how is itany difference from the church that it

(47:53):
claims to be such an enemy ofblack people? It's not any different.
It's not any different. And isthe reason why you have so many people
coming over to the Black consciousness becausethey were giving their walking papers by the
white power structure. I'm gonna sayit again, half the people in Black
consciousness, especially those who have aplatform, are only in Black consciousness because

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they couldn't keep their jobs with thewhite man. If the white man called
them up today or tomorrow, theywould be back at the table tomorrow.
What do you do when you can'tfind a job, You start a church.
What do you do when you losea job? You start a Black
consciousness platform? Yeah, you sokind of caveat and off of that.

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I had a conversation today, umwith a couple of guys at work.
Brother ooh, and I don't necessarilythink we set the black athlete up for
success. And I think you kindof alluded. It alluded to it a
couple minutes ago that you know,these guys getting these positions in the athletic
world and they still got the samecrew with them that they grew up with.

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And I don't think we're set upfor success in the in the world
of sports because they don't have anybodyto tell them to not do this.
The money's gone and then they're justanother person we remember used to be good.
Um. I thought about reaching thereaching out to John Thort, and
I know John Thort and I thinkhe works with Octagon Sports Sports Management.

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I just wanted to find out,like, how are we moving into the
next phase of promoting our athletes andnot only be positive, but to be
successful and be able to go backto the community to spread positivity. Because
I don't see anybody really coming backto Philly and saying, hey, here's

(49:49):
what I'm going to do for thecommunity. I don't see that at all.
And that's why I'm never going tosee it attached and you're never gonna
see it. Are extinctions white supremacy. They are extensions of white supremacy.
So the last thing they want todo is empower a black athlete to empower
black people. That's not a partof the agenda. The way they see

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the black athlete is the same waya pip sees a prostitute. I'm gonna
use you. I'm gonna use you, and the athlete is a prostitute.
That as the prostitute. What doesthe pip do. He finds a young
girl who looks good, and heexploits and abuses her until she no longer
looks good, and then he actslike he never knew her. That's the

(50:36):
same thing the NFL and the NBAdoes. One has squeezed the last ounce
of talent and marketability from you,we dismiss you and move on to the
next negro. And so when youlook at the system of how they control
black athletes is not designed to empowerus. There's a book called forty Million
Dollars Slaves. Everybody needs to read. Everybody must read forty million dollar Slaves.

(51:02):
Gotta do it. I've gotta doit. Sometimes we forget that slavery
has nothing to do with income.During slavery, some of our ancestors had
jobs during slavery. Some of ourancestors had businesses during slavery. Our ancestors
were saving money to buy their freedom. So there was an economic reality for

(51:25):
some black stor and slavery, butthey were still slaves. Why because slavery
has nothing to do with money.Slavery is about power. Slavery is about
power. Let me say this.I regularly get contacted by athletes and entertainers
who support my work. I hangout with him, we go to lunch,
we go to dinner, we talk, we bust it up. I
mean, these are the top peoplein the industry, not nobody on the

(51:50):
bottom. And one thing that Ilearned from talking to them, I'm talking
multi platinum selling people, okay,at the top of their genres. And
one thing of being around these brotherswho are very supportive of my work,
but they can never publicly endorse doctorUmar Johnson. And so the reality that
I had to accept and learn isalthough they have the money, I have

(52:14):
the power. I can say thingsthey could never say. And the irony
is, you can be sitting nextto somebody who's worth thirty billions. You
could be sitting next to somebody who'sworth thirty billions who has absolutely no power
at all to use that money tobenefit their people. And so what I've
learned is I've become a conduit forthem. When I speak, I'm speaking
for them because they're not allowed tospeak for themselves. We look at Beyonce

(52:38):
and how Beyonce but two years agoon the Super Bowl where she did the
tribute to the Black Panthers, whichI support Beyonce four, you know,
for her for doing that, sheput a lot of hell. That's one
of the reasons Beyonce didn't win BestAlbum. That's why they really black balled
her, you know, at theGrammys, because you know what I mean.

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Listen, remember y'all go back tothe nineteen forty the nineteen twenties,
Joe Louis, Mohammad Ali, thebrothers who put up the black Fists at
the Olympics. You know why theywere so committed to black people because they
still lived amongst us. Mohammad livedamongst us, always lived amongst us.

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They lived amongst us. So whatthe professional sports had to do is they
had to separate the athlete from hisblack power base. They had to separate
the black athlete from the black powerbase. So one of the reasons they
are paid, but they are paid. That the reason James Harden is being
paid what he's doing paid just tomake sure he never ever even has a

(53:42):
fun of getting back to the blackcommunity, which he probably we won't,
he won't exactly. And they greatbread the wolf. They don't even then
even week back and grab his sisterMary and some love lords and grabbed that
of the Clear woman. They marrythat Claire woman and share the welp with
their families without questions. And that'swhy and and that's in itself, like

(54:08):
you know you come from Northfilly,you know you come from Alabama. You
know you come from Watch And you'regonna reach back and grab Becky and to
her family, or you're gonna iflisten, if I'm married, I got
a couple hundred thousand, my lady. You know I'm gonna put my lady
on you know, Oh my momwant to go on the trip too.
All right, we got it.Let's send your mom on the trip.

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What you're doing after them? Butbrothers, you're knocking on the door at
the foundation of why doctor Umar Johnsondoesn't support interracial relationships. I didn't get
it. The only one doing it. I didn't even doing it out here.
That's why you get so much respect, and I didn't get a chance
to articulate my full disagreement while Iwas with the Breakfast Club or on News

(54:52):
One with Roland, because you know, if there wasn't enough time in the
shows to articulated. And the onepoint that I wanted to articulate that you
got are bringing up now that Ididn't have a chance to articulate on those
platforms is the economic transfer of wealthwhite women when the black man marries out
of his community. Marriage is amarriage is a financial arrangement, Marriage is

(55:16):
a business, marriage is a twoparty corporation. When a black man marries
a white woman, he's investing.He's making an investment. He's taken from
his own community, and he's investingin. This ain't about loveless. And

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tell us, when's the last timeyou heard about somebody getting a divorce,
who went to the who went tothe divorce settlement? And somebody asks a
fifty percent of they love back?Who asks a fifty percent of the sect?
Who asks of their commitment back?A brother? Who I tried that

(56:00):
once. I tried it once andit didn't go on well, So you
felt, let me ask you anotherone. But let me finish this statement,
though in the Fourth Court, nobody'sdividing up emotions in time spent?
Did dividing up assets, did dividingup bank accounts? Did the fighting up

(56:22):
properties? Listen, did y'all seethe story yesterday? RCHI three? RCHI
three married a white ain't it?And then she wants thirty what was it,
thirty six thousand dollars a month orliving expenses. This man don't even
make that kind of money no more. She only married him for what he

(56:44):
was, not who he was.And now he about to lose the little
bit of money he too got becausehe married Becky and stead a roza.
Wow, brother, I'm not wantingto fit us. It is not a
hatred for the white woman. Idon't have anything against the white woman.
I respect all women, irregardless ofrace. It's not a rejection of earth.

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It's a love and commitment to theblack woman, and it's a love
and commitment to the black community.But beyond the emotion, beyond the love
and the loyalty, we gotta lookat the economics and the assets of hinter
racial marriage. Who benefits looking MichaelJordans. Michael Jordan is a billionaire married
to a white Cuban, a whiteCuban. When he dies, do you

(57:29):
think that woman is going to giveany of that money back to black people?
When Cuba didn't. Junior died,when he digs died, Tim Duncan,
Kobe Bryant, James Earl Jones,a Sindy Portier, when they die.
Because our wives are likely to livelonger than us, brothers, our
lives. Our wives are going tooutlive us black a white, so they're

(57:52):
gonna inherit your wealth. What's thechances of those white women bringing some of
that money back to black people.I just watched the little documentary on Craig
heywork and they showed this family.I was like, I thought he was
black. I was like, what'sgoing on? And you know we love

(58:12):
you love We talked about that lastweek, became about that last I'm saying,
but Craig, your head, wholefamily now crazy. Don't you wouldn't
even think he was a black man? Hey? Doctor Umar, I know
most of the people a shout outthe big cat on the check in,
A lot of the people, Alot of people Alic Dobson on the check

(58:35):
in. A lot of people showto get at me, Yeah, what
up? A lot of people sawthe Roland Martin Um interview. Can you
walk us through what it was likeafter the cameras went off, because I
thought they kind of brought you outto attack you, and I was like,

(58:55):
yo, he's from Philly, He'sabout to shoot that fade after the
show walkers still when it was likeafter the show, okay, Well that
was my fourth appearance One News OneNow with rolland the three previous appearances they
were all positive. My first timeon there, I discussed ADHD. The
second time on there, we discussedracism among within the women's movement, and

(59:17):
then I was on their third timeI believed to deal with a particular specific
police genocide case. This was thefourth time. Now I hadn't been on
this since twenty fourteen. It hasbeen three years. I hadn't heard from
them. But I think what happenedwas given the popularity of that third Breakfast
Club interview that I just did Junethirtieth, and the fact that that had
gotten over two million views and onlya week. You know, news platforms

(59:40):
are always looking for people who canbringing them the ratings because that's how they
sell their advertisement. So I thinknews One looked at that and said,
wait a minute, he's real hotright now. So we got to get
them back on rolling. It wasn'tbecause they respected me or what I stand
for my work. It was clearlyfor the ratings. Now. The mistake
that rolling me. The mistake thatrolling me, because I will say this,
although I've been on the show threeprevious times, that was my fourth

(01:00:04):
last Monday. I never got apositive vibe from Roland. Never. He
never really makes eye contact with me. I've always felt that there's something with
him as it relates to me.Maybe I'm too black for him. Maybe
he got some kind of skeleton inhis closet that if I knew about it,
you think I would really see himas blessed of a man. I
don't know what it is, butI never felt a positive vibe from him,

(01:00:27):
and it finally manifested himself. Manifestedhimself last Monday. But the mistake
that rolling me. Instead of bringingme on the show and doing a you
know, a traditional positive progressive interview, which I think would have bowed well
for him, he decided to usethe platform to attack me. So I
guess the way Roland saw it inhis envy and jealousy was that he was

(01:00:51):
going to humble me. So theway he saw it, this guy's flying
too high, everybody's singing his praise, He's getting all these views. I'm
going to be the one that sladygiant. I think that's the way he
took it. And it's a shamethat one black man would try to use
his platform to insult and disgrace anotherBlack male. But I think he only
was willing to do that because hethought he could get away with it.

(01:01:14):
You know, I think it wasmotivated out of jealousy. You know,
I think it was motivated out ofenvy. And Roland is a very successful
brother that he had no reason tobe jealous or envious of me. But
I think the jealousy and envy thatI get from successful black men isn't about
money, and it's not about thegrease. It's about my unapologetic africanity.
That's what I think it is.I think a lot of them feel some

(01:01:34):
type of ways that I have thecourage to say how I feel, and
they could never do that because they'reso beholden to so many different interests.
Rolland is beholden to TV one rollandis beholden to the Democratic Party rolland is
beholden to the Boulet. He's amember of the Boulet five Sikmafi, whatever
the name of that black bougeoisie groupis. He's beholding to them. I

(01:01:57):
don't belong to an no fraternity.I don't belong to those for society.
I'm not a Mason, I'm notan elf. I'm outa Kappa, I'm
not a que I'm just a blackman. No white man paid my way
through college or none of that.So I'm one of the few, probably
one of the few successful black PhDsin his country. And I have a
size d okay who can really saywhat he wants to say because nobody owns

(01:02:21):
my tongue. And see, asblack man, it's one of the things
we got to do with our boys. We got to make sure that when
they reach success, nobody owns theirtongue. I'm a fixed supporter of Lebron.
I think Lebron James is trying todo as much as he can to
be that unapologetically African blackmail athlete.But a part of his tongue is owned
by Nike. A part of histongue is owned by the NBA. The

(01:02:44):
same thing goes for most of ourathletes to entertainers, they try. I
see j Z is trying, yousee, and I respect them for that.
But what we have to do forthe next generation of blackmails, as
particularly blackmail athletes and entertainers, thatwe have to raise them to make sure
they're not beholding into nothing. Beyour own man. When I wake up,
the only thing I warned about isspeaking the truth. I don't have

(01:03:06):
to worry about what my fraternity thinksabout it. I don't have to worry
about what the Bouley thinks about it, what the Democrats, what the reflect
what my church. I don't care. Until black men are able to speak
up openly and honestly about our reality, will never be able to change it.
But let me close this comment onthe Rolling piece. So he brings
me in to insult me because ofhis own personal motives, and it didn't

(01:03:28):
go well. I think Roland Martinunderestimated the support that I get. I
really think he made a very bigmistake when he underestimated the type of love
that I get. Now to answeryour questions, but first of all,
I need everybody to know that Iwas not told that we're going to ask
me a line of questions. Iwas giving no prior notice. I feel

(01:03:49):
it looked like that state of BlackAmerica. I thought we're gonna talk about
police genocide. I did anticipate wewould deal with interracial relationships because that was
so out of a topic. Ididn't anticipate that. I didn't anticipate the
degree questions to Frederick Douglas questions andall that type of nonsense. You know,
And guess what, I would havestill within the interview if they told
me that's what we're going to do, But at least they would have showed

(01:04:12):
me the respect of letting me knowbeforehand that this is how we're going to
come. I was given no priornotice that that's what they were going to
do. And one of the reasonswhy I couldn't be as calm as I
usually am in a traditional interview ata traditional point of traditional platform is I
don't know if Y'll picked this up, but Roland was not going to allow

(01:04:32):
me to respond to the barage ofassumptions and attacks that his panel was making
against me. So once I speakthat, you know, I said,
he's not gonna let me talk.Now, if he was gonna let me
talk, I would have let themsay everything they gotta say, and then
I would respond as I normally do. I get interviews all the time.
It's not a problem letting people talk. But when I noticed that this was

(01:04:53):
going to be one sided, andwhen I noticed that we only had ten
twenty minutes to do this, Isay, you're gonna have to get your
information out there, because if youdon't, this thing was gonna be one
side of he gonna let them dumpon you, and then it's just gonna
be over and nobody will ever hearyour side of the story. But when
an interview was over, when itwas over, and I'm not gonna lie
to y'all, I'm not gonna lieto y'all, it took everything in me

(01:05:15):
not to get up, curse hisass out, smack him on the side
of his fucking head, and dropout that studio. I'm not. It
took everything in me, like,who the fuck is you playing with?
Man? But let me tell youwhy I couldn't do that would have came
out because you know what they wouldhave said. They would have said,
look, he can give it,but he can't take it. They would
have said, when he's presented witha team of people who does not agree

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with him, he cannot adapt tothe pressure. So I had to sit
there and bear the insults, andbear the aggression and bear the disrespect,
just so people could understand that I'mhumble enough to put myself in a situation
like that. It still come outon top. So that's the only reason
why I allowed myself to go throughit. Once it was over, Roland

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didn't say a word. She couldn'tbecause I know he knew that it wasn't
right. If y'all noticed, henever looked me in my eyes the whole
interview. He never made eye contactthe whole time. And then when I
got up and walked away, thebrother, the attorney, who was the
only one with any common sense fromthe panel, shook my hand said good
luck, keep doing what you're goingout behind you and believe it or not,

(01:06:27):
Lauren Burke, the bourgeois queen onthe panel, she shook my hand
and said, good luck with theschool. We need to get that school
built. I'm behind you, Andall I could do was look back at
her and say, sister, youcannot be serious. I didn't say this,
but this is what I'm thinking inmy mind. But I just gave
her a look. I'm sure shefelt what the look meant, and I
just walked on out of that.Eugene Burke, he didn't make out contact

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when he was going. He waslooking down away from collectively, I think
they did what they did was wrong. I could feel that energy. I
could feel the energy, and Ifelt an attempt by Lauren birth to trying
to clean up what she had justdone, you know, And I could

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not predict the type of backlash thatthey received from the black community as a
result of that. It just wasn'ta good look. Up now it was
you and the interview right now thatit just wasn't It wasn't a good look
for them. Three people on oneside, one person on the other side,
and it seemed like a moderator inbetween. It wasn't a good look.

(01:07:36):
I can look like an ambush.And I know I saw some of
the videos on your Instagram page andpeople were like, oh, the feedback
was just so bad for him.It wasn't a good look. It didn't
look like it was something that wasset up for you to be on an
equal platform. It seemed like theywent they were out there ambush you.
They absolutely were, They absolutely were. I lost a lot of respect for

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Rolling because of that. I don'thave enough against him, you know.
I did challenge him to bring meback onto the show and do a recule
of one on one interview. Ofcourse he's not going to do that.
I don't think he has the intellectualrepertoire to go back and forth with me,
I said, respectfully, but Ibelieve that could be the case.
I do see TV one reaching backout to me because of the rate,
again, not because of the work, not because of the reformation, but

(01:08:20):
the ratings. I mean, theygot what I think is up to four
million views now on that interview.It's one of the highest interviews they've had
this year. They've had others thatwere higher. Wendy Williams obviously, with
her sensationalism, she's going to getmore views. They've had a couple that
were hired, but I'm one ofthe highest that they've had for twenty seventeen.
So I'm sure they'll reach back outto me because I'm sure the ratings
that they've gotten and the money thatthey made, you know, off of

(01:08:44):
that was probably a pretty good dollaror two. But the other thing I
wanted to say that they didn't needa chance to clarify on the Roller Martin
show. I want to go tothat that letter, Remember the letter that
he read allegedly coming from the familyof Frederick Douglas. Now, you guys,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah yeah. I mean y'all have
known that I've been related to FrederickDouglas. It's nothing new to you guys.
But I wanted to clarify this becausethis was something that I couldn't clarify

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on the show, just like Icouldn't clarify one of my disagreements with interracial
relationships is the transfer of wealth thathappens from black men to white women.
As you guys already pointed out thatletter. Well, first of all,
let me back it on us.And while we're having this conversation, I
actually had my family tree up onthe wall. Now, Isaac and Betsy

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Belly, that's the grand patriarch andmatriarch of our family. They had about
twelve children, so each of them, some of those children did not survive
into a daughterhood, but the bulkof them did, okay, But for
each of those children, they havetheir own lineage. So for example,
my mother has seven children, Okay, I'm gonna have my lineage. My
sister Sofia gonna have her lineage.My brother I Leaga, so so forth,

(01:09:53):
and so on. Right, justlike y'all we all got siblings,
you all have your lineage. Solet's say, please brother has a son,
and Klee's brother's son is Klee's nephew, and so Cleese's nephew will say
that's my uncle. You know whatI'm saying, that's my ancestor. He
can say that that's his nephew.He did not come through Clee. He

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came through Clees's brother, one degreeof separation, but it's all still blood.
That's exactly how I'm related to FrederickDouglas because you have the Frederick Douglas
line through his mother Harriet, myauntie. But then you also have Stephen
Belly because Frederick was Frederick Belly.Stephen Belly, who's my four times great
grandfather, is the exact same Stephenthat Frederick Douglas mentions by name in his

(01:10:35):
autobiographies. That's my four times greatgrandfather. Now they were first cousins.
They grew up together on a slaveplantation, as Frederick talks about. You
can read it for yourself. Theywere cousins because their mothers were sisters,
but the father raped the mom theslave master. But they also became brothers
to the slave master. But ofcourse people some people can challenge and debate
that because it's not a hundred percentcerta. I'm convinced with the evidence I

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had, I'm convince, but Ido respect the uncertainty of other people.
But nonetheless, if you throw thatpart out the relation to the slave master
and deal purely for the fact thatthey're both first cousins from the belly lineas
just that automatically makes Fredick Douglas anancestor of mine. If you add the
fact that flay Master was the dad, he's not only a distant cousin,
he becomes a distant uncle. Nowthat letter that was written that this is

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what I have to keep in mind. I've been a school psychologist for almost
twenty years. I've been speaking foralmost twenty years. Why did that letter
come up? Now? Why didthe letter come up? Now? I've
been to family reunions, multiple familyreunions, I mean the family those you
understand me. Why would that lettercome out all of a sudden after all
these years. Okay, everybody didn'tthough that I've been projecting my relationship to

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Frederick Douglas. Here's what needs tobe known. That letter was not written
by the family of Frederick Douglas.I didn't get a chance to say this.
That letter was written by two Haytonasked nigroes who claimed to be the
sind this of Frederick Douglas, andthey might be. I'm not going to
challenge that. They say their descendants, So their descendants, I don't have
no reason to challenge it. Butit wasn't the family. It's too many,

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two men. One of them don'teven look black, but it's two
men. And what they're trying todo is they're trying to create an enterprise
off of the name of Frederick Douglass. In other words, as you know,
whenever somebody's related to a great ancestor, they make a business out of
that. You know, they speakin their name, they do plays,
they do book signings, they goaround talking about their electors. It's normal

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people do it. Okay, that'swhat they're trying to do. They have
an economic agenda for Frederick Douglas's nameand a state. I don't have an
economic agenda for Frederick Douglas. Thename and the state I mentioned my relationship
and that's as far as it goes. That's as far as it goes for
me. I'm just proud to sayI have the same blood as him.

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That's it. They're trying to makea living off the man's name. And
here's the reason they have a problemwith me. When people think of Frederick
Douglas, just like they think ofMarcus Garvey, and I'm not a blood
relative of Marcus Stark, they thinkof Umar Johnson before they think of anybody
else. And for them, that'sa problem because if I'm trying to make

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money off of Frederick Douglas, ifI'm trying to create a monopoly on the
usage of this man's name and information, I gotta do something about Umar Johnson
because the way the popular public seesit, Umar Johnson is the one keeping
the Frederick Duglas sports alive. Notup keeping mind, gentlemen, that these
two men, these two negroes,they don't have a platform. Nobody knows

(01:13:36):
them. They're not known for anything. They're not saving black children, they're
not helping black parents. They're notpushing the Pan African as agenda. They're
just two Negroes who got a hustlebased on the name of Frederick Douglas,
and they perceive me to be ablockage. They see me as a block
because people would say, why getthem where we can bring in someone more

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articulate, who is also a bloodrelative, although not a direct descendant,
who can do the same thing.So that letter did not come from a
family. That letter came from twojealous, distant relatives who want to hustle
the name of Frederick Douglas and consideredme a blockage to their money machine.
Yeah, he was real, Hewas real, cautious they I think when

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he after he read it, didyou see how nothing if y'all noticed the
letter never once said and you couldget it online. The letter never once
said he's not related to Fredrick Douglas. It's never once said he's not a
kinsman. It never once said he'snot a blood relative. It cont it

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contradicted itself. As I pointed outfor the Roland, I said, what
first they say I'm not a descendant, which is true, and then they
say, well, some of thestuff he says is true, but he
doesn't correct people when they call hima descendant. Here's what I would say
to that, Brothers, Here's whatI would say to that. If anybody
was to do systematic research on mylectures, and all my lectures are on
YouTube, I got more lectures onYouTube than least scholar alive. And I

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don't even have a YouTube channel.The systematically go through my videos. You
will never ever hear me say thatI'm a descendant of Frederick. You never
in my life have I said thatI was a descendant. Even in my
Scotland Yearbook nineteen ninety two, Imentioned Frederick Douglas in that that what we

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do. We did that little obituary, whatever that thing was for the yearbook
I mentioned no one. No onehas ever been saying, I know afituary
is zeph but whatever we call lastwords, that's what it was. You
said it wasn't nofittuary. We leave. But nobody has ever heard who was
Johnson say he was a descendant ofFrederick Douglas. I've only claimed Kinsman on

(01:15:47):
my flyers Kinsman, my African AmericanMuseum lecture. Kinsman, I give my
whole family tree at the end ofevery lecture. At the end of every
lecture, I give the whole treebirthbatim. I do it every lecture a
hundred times a year. So anyonewho follows me knows that I've never said

(01:16:08):
that I was a blood descendant.I only claim to be a blood relative,
a blood descendant of his first cousin. So I didn't get a chance
to clarify that on the show.But I thought they were very careful the
way they worded that letter, becausethey went as far as they could go
to try to make it look likeI wasn't related without saying I wasn't related.

(01:16:29):
But it's a damn shame, brothers, that whole Frederick Douglas situation is
over money. And let me saythis. I'm gonna say that I have
lost a lot of respect for myfamily, the Belly family, because you
know where bellies. Frederick was aBelly and the reason I lost respect because
they see this ship, they seewhat they're doing, and it bothers me
that nobody will dare stand up asthey listen. Y'all, this has gone

(01:16:53):
far enough. Y'all even took itto Roland Marks. Y'all know the man
is a relative of all. Y'allknow he's at the family rich. His
name is in the book, hisname is on the tree. I got
the three hanging on my wall,y'alls like in deep thing. I blew
it up years ago. Y'all.Notice, man is one of us.
Stop the ship, you know whatI mean? And the same thing about
it. Not one person in ourfamily. We have a very organized family.

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We have a family reunion every twoyears. Is very organized, very
organized. Any one person could senda letter to them Negroes and say,
you know, if you've had enoughof it. The man has clarified.
He never said he was a blooddescendant. He's a descendant of Stephen Belly,
which we can all attest to.No more attacking this man, or
we're gonna distance y'all from the family. We're gonna excommunicate. Nobody hasn't done
that yet. And the reason theyhaven't done it, I'll tell you why

(01:17:36):
they haven't. For some people theyjust don't want to get it, I
can understand. But for other people, they're doing it because they do not
stand for what I stand for.See, they don't like the fact that
I'm pushing the unapologetically African platform,which is something most people in my extended
family, because this is a verylarge family. Now, Isaac and Betsy

(01:17:58):
had twelve children, Stephen and Carolinehad twelve children, were almost twelve.
So you're talking about tens of thousandsof people in the samily. This ain't
a little small family. We havefamily on every continent on the plane.
It's a very large family. Andnot a single person is stepping up because
most of them do not believe inwhat I stand for, and that's why
they're letting this go as far asit's going. I just had that conversation

(01:18:21):
with a friend of mine too.He was talking. We said, I
said, and you know, notto pay her name out there. She
said, I mean, I likethis message, but sometimes it's just a
little bit too brass. I said, well, if he was tying it
from a Christians perspective, yeah,I said, if we were saying it
from a Christian perspective, would yourespect it more? Well, I don't

(01:18:42):
agree with most things that the Christianleaders say either. I said, well,
that's the reason why we turn outback. And well, some of
us, you know, you gota huge following, you know what I'm
saying, and some of you know, some people following you, they're not
actually saying they following you. Imean, but you know, I talked
to this person and you know,she's highly degree decorated and all that,
and she said, well, youknow it's it's a little brass. I

(01:19:06):
said, well, you're only sayingthat because it's not Christian base. You
know what I'm saying. It wasChristian anything that's against that grain, it's
like, oh, I don't wantthey don't want to listen. A little
bit too hardcore for me. Butsaying yet, sup, First of all,

(01:19:27):
it's who I am. So that'smy delivery. So it's not even
intentional. People say, but yougo out there and intentionally, no,
suck. That's just who I am. That's the way I communicate. That's
my style of oratory. That's theone thing. But let me add to
that that I'm glad that's my styleof oratory because we got to wake out
people up. If you are ina burning house. If you are in

(01:19:47):
a burning house and that house isburning and your brother is in a deep
sleep, are you gonna tap himon his shoulder? Will you know here
in to deep sleep? Are yougonna whisper in his ear? If that
a house is burning. That's whatyou're gonna do. You're gonna walk right
up to him and smack the shitout of because you know that's the only
way. That's the only way he'sgonna wake up. He ain't gonna respond

(01:20:12):
to nothing else but a smack.And whenever I speak, I have to
smack out people because we are ina deep slumber tremble which we do not
want to be revived. I rememberAmy Jakes, Garvey and Garvey and Garvey
is them another book everybody needs toread on the life of the greatest black
organizer of the twentieth century, theHonible Markets Garvey and somebody came to Markets

(01:20:34):
Garvey and said, your message istoo brass for the people. Don't you
say you should soften your message?So this was this, This ain't new.
This goes back to Garvey on it. Hears a cup and Garvey said,
our people have been sleep for solong. I'm paraphrase, but he
basically said, our people have beensleeping for so long that in order for
me to wake them up, Igot to smack them in the stakes with

(01:20:56):
my message. If my message issoft, it will not get a response.
Here's the way I see, it'sfellas if I can make them talk,
that means I can make them think. And one thing that I need
people to be clear about as itrelates to my mission. I'm not trying
to create a legion of Umar's.This is not about robots, you understand.

(01:21:19):
This is not about self aggrandizement.My job is to make you think.
If I can make you think criticallyabout our chill to the political position,
if I can make you think critically, it's like, take this interracial
piece, and I'm gonna be honestwith y'all. I'm shocked. I did
not know that that would be thestraw to break the camel's back. I

(01:21:40):
really didn't think because everybody knows myposition or interracial relationship has changed my whole
life, so you know, Ididn't think that would be considered so radical.
So I'm shocked that it got allthat play because I'm like, it's
common sense that black women need blackman, that's common sense, you see.
But even the people who disagreed,they to have the conversation. Now

(01:22:01):
they got to have the conversation.So the way I see, it's still
a success at the end of theday because I'm making people think about issues
that we have been taken for grantedfor a long time, that are very
trimental to our destiny as a people, and now they're on the table for
discussion. Absolutely, Doctor Ooh youin Baltimore tomorrow, Yes, sir,

(01:22:26):
Baltimore, Maryland tomorrow tonight Thursday.Harriet Tubman City, Frederick Douglas City,
that's the city from which Fredrick Douglasescaped. Also have another ancestor who lived
there and is very there. Hisname is Bishop Alexander Wayman. Y'all might
not know him, but if youknow the story of William Still in the
Philadelphia Future to Slave Society Anti SlaveSociety, remember William Still collected the largest

(01:22:53):
collection of runaway slave narratives. Wellguess what when williams Still got to Philadelphia
and visited the Anti Slavery Society office, the Philadelphia Vigilance Committee for Escape Slaves.
It was my ancestor of Bishop Henryexcuse, Bishop Alexander Weyman. It

(01:23:14):
was my ancestor, Bishop Alexander Waymanwho received William Still and it was from
him that William Still got the informationthat motivated him to start collecting those slave
narratives of Bishop Wyman is my fourtimes great grand uncle, my three times
great grandfather, George, who wasthe nephew slash cousin of Frederd Douglas.
He married Annie Weyman, my threetimes great grandmother. She was the niece

(01:23:36):
of Bishop Alexander Wyman. He wasthe seventh bishop after Richard Island. Because
I know the AMV was founded inPhiladelphia, he was the seventh bishop after
Richard Island in the am ME Church. She's also buried in Baltimore, so
I try to go to his gradewhenever I'm in Maryland. But all of
my paternal ancestors they basically come fromthe state of Maryland. So we will
be at the Downtown Cultural Arts Center, four Old one North Howard Street.

(01:24:00):
I repeat. The address is fourOld one North Howard Street in Baltimore.
Doors open up at four, lecturefrom six to eight, books signing from
eight to ten, and I'm gonnabe throwing a very powerful presentation, am
all. It's a spot presentation Ihaven't done in a while, but I've
never been able to complete on theEast Coast. It's called Anatomy of Strategy,
Introduction and Military Science, Black Supremacy, Handballs and basically what the lecture

(01:24:23):
is about its examples of how blackleaders in generals have fought against white power
and have come out victorious. Andthe purpose is not only to teach us
our history, because a lot ofpeople think that when the white man came
to Africa, we just laid down. They think they just walked in and
just look. No, they didn't. The Zulu Wars lasted almost one hundred

(01:24:46):
years. Be a shot. KeyWars lasted almost one hundred years. We
went to war with the white folk. We were victorious against the white man,
mini with the second the Emperor ofEthiopia, a direct descendant of King
Solomon, whose grave I visited whenI was in Ethiopia. He beat the
Italians in the Battle of Ottawa eighteenninety six, and nobody gave him,
gave him credit for that. Ibelieve it was set smile. Shaka,

(01:25:10):
Zulu's nephew beat the British at itsI pronounced the name so wrong, it's
sound no Wanda. The greatest militarydefeat by the British came at the hands
of the Zulu army. Y'all,so we we got a history of defeat
and racism. So the purpose ofThe presentation is to motivate. It's to

(01:25:31):
motivate. It's not to agitate whitefolks and nothing like that. It's to
motivate Black people. So we canbe inspired by our ancestors towards the police
and knowing we can win this war. We can win, but we got
the deep. We gotta dip deepwithin ourselves and we gotta dig deep within
our history for examples of how wecan overcome this situation. And then I'll

(01:25:55):
be in DC on Sunday, Soit's a back to back lecture Baltimore tomorrow,
d See Sunday will be at theThird Good Marshall Center, the historic
Third Good Marshall Center. This iswhere Third Good Marshall used to work.
Marcus Garvey actually gave a speech here. Several of our other great ancestors visited
this place as well. That'll beSunday, same time, doors opened up
at four, lecture atte six,and I'm going to talk about post traumatic

(01:26:17):
slavery disease. Why do black menlove white women more than Black women?
Why do most black people still havea white Jesus Okay? Why is it
so hard for black people to worktogether? Why is it we can spend
two billion dollars on ed Jordan's everyyear, four billion dollars on liquor every
year. Wow, nine billion dollarson we even perm every year. But

(01:26:41):
we ain't got to thank a hospitalor supermarket or school. There's reasons for
this, and those reasons are basedand rooted in the conditioning of the African
psyche bile white folks Jordan. Slavery. You gotta understand something, gentlemen.
Slavery was trauma. Slavery was atrauma that we have never recovered from,
We have never rehabilitated from. Wenever got no therapy for slavery. As

(01:27:03):
soon as slavery ended, we hadto fight the white folks again for reconstruction.
As soon as reconstruction ended, wehad to fight him again for Jim
Crow, fight him again for civilrights, fight m agif for Black plower,
be fighting them again today, policegenocide. We never had a chance
to heal and what you are seeing, Like I brought up the question earlier
about black youth, the millennials,our children, they are the ultimate mansensation

(01:27:29):
of all the dysfunctional behaviors, emotionsand thoughts that black people has experienced since
we got out of slavery. Theyare the print out about innermost Police,
about ourselves. Wow, doctor UmarJohnson, I thank you. I'm gracious
and humble that you just We're anew podcast. We're nine episodes in,

(01:27:51):
but I'm so gracious that you reachout, that you reach jack out to
us and help us and help usanytime anything. Yeah, Scots Family.
Shout out to the Scotland alumni.I see a lot of the alumni out
there showing me love. I appreciateit. Some of y'all be hating,
but it's all good. I stillloved you anyway. I guess that habits

(01:28:15):
die hard, you know, butyou know how that goes sometimes. Once
I hate, always a hater.But uh, it's been all love though,
you know, for the most part, it's been all love. My
holy thing to the Scotland Family isy'all gotta let me know when y'all be
getting together. I'm a little upsetat all y'all because I don't be finding
out when y'all get together till aftery'all got together. So I know,

(01:28:35):
I'm busy. I know I travelthe world, but I mean y'all family
to me. We grew up together, so I would still like to see
you guys every once in a whilewhen I kis. So if there's a
cook out or get together. Understand, some people in the family may have
spouses who are not Africans. Theymight feel uncomfortable inviting me, you know,
so I can understand that. Ican't understand that, you know.

(01:28:58):
But at the end of the day, we family. So even if I
come around, I'm not there todisrespect nobody's wife, nobody's husband, nobody's
children. Okay, by racial childrenare black anyway, So I ain't got
that anyhow, you know what Imean. So just just let me know.
You know, I don't treat melike I'm so radical that you can't
associate with me because you're still insidethat reology. You know what I'm saying.

(01:29:19):
I can respect where you at inspace and time, and y'all can
respect where I'm at space and time. You know, God gave me a
mission and I got to do it. That doesn't mean that I should have
to lose my family to do that, to do the work that I got
to do. Absolutely, man,Doctor Umar Johnson. Again, I thank
you again Two Ball Black Eyes forPhilly episode nine. We appreciate all y'all

(01:29:42):
tuning in on blog talk radio.You should have been on iTunes tomorrow,
Google Play on Friday. Umar,thank you for coming through, man,
Thank you no doubt, good lookingbro. Indeed, cle hey, clee,
I'll catch up with you man.Great show that. Thanks for all
tuning in. Great show, y'all. I appreciate the love and support.

(01:30:03):
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