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July 9, 2025 30 mins

Jenn Fredette, LPC, MA, M.Div joins me in today's episode to share insights on building passive income as a therapist, emphasizing that while “passive” income is possible, it still requires strategy and effort—especially when it comes to leveraging intellectual property. She introduces a new freebie outlining three scalable income pathways and explores options like group practices and alternative revenue streams. Jenn also highlights the importance of clear client messaging, smart marketing, and the ongoing challenge of balancing clinical work with business growth. Visit athinkersguide.com/scale for Jenn's freebie!

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(00:08):
(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Hi, welcome to the Abundant Practice Podcast.
I'm Allison from Abundance Practice Building.
I have a nearly diagnosable obsession with helping
therapists build sustainable, joy-filled private practices, just
like I've done for tens of thousands of
therapists across the world.
I'm excited to help you too.
If you want to fill your practice with
ideal clients, we have loads of free resources

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and paid support.
Go to abundancepracticebuilding.com slash links.
All right, onto the show.
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.com with the coupon code ABUNDANT.
Welcome back to the Abundant Practice Podcast.
I'm your host, Alison Puryear.
I'm here with Jen Fredette and we're gonna
be talking about the path to a million
dollars.
We're gonna be talking about passive income, which
has quotation marks around it, which we'll talk
about in a sec.

(02:13):
But I think Jen is, if you don't
follow her on Instagram, you're one of my
favorite follows.
I read all your stories.
I just love the way you phrase things.
You're such an incredible, connected writer.
I feel like I'm just having tea with
you when we're talking or when you're writing.
I'm right there with you, so.
Thank you.
Everybody should be following you.

(02:35):
And yeah, and you have a really cool
freebie for people to help them think about
their path to a million dollars, which is
at athinkersguide.com slash scale.
We'll put that in the show notes.
So, hi.
Hi, and I realized I didn't even tell
you, and we'll talk about it as we
talk through this.
There's a second part to this free offer
where people can get personalized feedback from me,

(02:55):
which I just didn't think to tell you
when we were talking about it before we
hit record.
So.
Awesome.
Yeah, let's start with passive income kind of
as an idea.
Yes, so I don't know if you have
this experience because you end up working, I
think, with a lot of people who are
starting out and like, just let me help
like get some clients.

(03:17):
Where I have been over the course of
time that I've been a marketing consultant is
I often work with people like after they
have their first five to 10 people.
They want to refine things.
Like that's how I started, like really helping
people with their copy and still do a
lot of work with like people's messaging.
But we would do this and I would
be like, why are you paying me all

(03:38):
of this money?
Like you're good, you have a full practice.
Like what is underneath this desire to keep
refining and keep fine tuning?
And what started to become clear is people
wanted to make more money, didn't really know
how.
And so the only path that seemed available
is like, I'll continue to raise my fees.

(03:59):
So if I'm a real super premium fee
therapist, I have to have like amazing, like
the best of all the best copy ever,
which honestly I don't think is true.
I think I know plenty of people who
are premium pay therapists who frankly don't have
a website.
Like you don't necessarily need to go that

(04:20):
way.
And so we would start to have these
conversations of like, well, you could scale, you
could do something else.
And then people would be like, I don't
wanna be a private practice coach though.
Cause it seemed like that was the only
other way.
It was either that or have a group
practice.
And so over time, I've gotten to work
with people kind of across the span of

(04:40):
there are all these different ways to scale
and really scaling is what I focus on
versus passive income.
Because passive income, my kid experiences a lot
of passive income.
Like she says she wants something and I
don't know, like 60% of the time
I'm like, yes, okay, you can have that.
Like that's passive income.
She's not really doing much except asking her

(05:02):
version of the universe to have the thing
that she wants.
Over time, she's gonna have to work to
create whatever it is that she wants to
bring in.
And that's really about scaling.
It's about growing beyond kind of like where
we are right now.
I feel like I'm getting a little metaphorical
though.
Is this making sense?
It's making sense to me.

(05:23):
I wanna talk about like breakdown passive income
as a concept a little bit more.
And by breakdown, I mean like destroy the
idea of passive income being a thing.
I mean, like maybe you've got money in
an index fund.
Sure.
That's passive, sure.
But when it's a business, there's no passive
income.
So I don't know that I've ever talked

(05:45):
about it this way, but as we're talking,
I'm thinking about the idea of intellectual property.
Right?
And so I, and you know this about
me, I still have a, I think of
it as a full case load.
I see 15 people.
If I wanna get paid, I have to
show up.
Yeah.
I'm sharing my intellectual property face-to-face
with people.
They're getting the parts of me that are

(06:06):
relational.
They're, and I charge a premium rate, but
like I have to show up, right?
My intellectual property is like contained within me.
Uh-huh.
And what therapists and healers in general sometimes
struggle with is this idea that you actually
can take some of what you do and
put it in a container that's essentially evergreen,

(06:29):
that you can direct people to.
You don't have to be there.
And so in that way, it's passive, but
it is active.
Like you have to put it in the
container.
You have to market towards it.
You have to sell people on it, which
a lot of therapists don't love to do.
And so passive income is more about putting
your intellectual property in something that somebody can

(06:51):
access at almost any time.
But part of what starts to get tricky
is there's different ways to deliver passive products.
You don't have a very passive business.
I still get these emails, cause I'm in
the, what do we call it?
It's just the community now or the party.
Yeah.

(07:11):
I'm in the community.
And I'll be like, oh, I could apply
for a one-on-one with Allison.
And you still deliver like what we're doing
right now.
You still show up.
It's not a passive thing.
There are people who develop programs that literally
are completely passive.

(07:32):
Like all they have to do is make
sure the marketing engine is turned on, not
showing up.
But the marketing is the non-passive piece
of that.
It's true.
Marketing is never passive, which I kind of
love about, but I think people don't always
get.
There's ways to make it more automated and
more efficient and more like less of you

(07:53):
needing to be present with it.
But you're always having to do something, tweaking
things, looking at things, reiterating, et cetera.
So coming back to the idea of passive
income, I just don't think it exists.
I think it's a really good sales angle.
And I know why the bro marketers like

(08:15):
really sold it.
Cause the idea that you could just make
tens of thousands of dollars while you sip
drinks on a beach somewhere, which is often
how people are, especially if you follow a
lot of these like digital marketing coaches, they're
always communicating like, look at this luxe life
that I live.
Meanwhile, their backend is really intense.

(08:36):
And I'm always like, oh, you were spending
so much money on ads.
Why am I still being retargeted?
I bought your product, like you're wasting money.
And so then I start to feel suspicious
about the whole, why are you actually making
that much money?
I don't know.
I feel like I'm going off on side
trails though, Alison.
Yeah.

(08:56):
I think this is good behind the scenes
stuff that people who are considering alternative streams
of income, which is a term I like
better, as they're considering that, when you fall
into the algorithm of the bro marketers, all
of a sudden it's like, oh, I just
need one perfect funnel.
I just need one Facebook ad strategy.
I just need, like, it's easy to think

(09:17):
that there's a silver bullet and just spend
a lot of money trying to attain that
silver bullet while thinking you're the one failing.
When it's just like dieting, like 5%
of people are gonna get results with like
the silver bullet that's being advertised.
So yeah.
And I think a lot of those silver
bullets, so there's concept that I'm consistently reminding

(09:41):
my Attunement Distilled folk, that there's a difference
between somebody being a business to business model,
which is what like a thinker's guide is,
abundance is like, that's a business to business
model.
And the ways that you can scale, the
kinds of marketing you can do, the messaging
that works, like even conversion rates are different

(10:03):
in business to business.
Business to customer, where a lot of my
people end up wanting to be, is just
a different ballgame, and there's different ways that
that works.
And I'm always intrigued, my husband loves to
work out, he's a drummer, and so he
gets targeted with all sorts of like business
to customer stuff.

(10:23):
And I'm always intrigued at like watching who
has like ingested, like the pro marketer, like
this is how you have to do it,
because I don't think it works as well
when it's business to customer versus business to
business, we're mostly selling like, I'll help you
make more money.
That doesn't, that's not really what you're selling
when you're selling business to customer.

(10:44):
And so the sales techniques that you use
are different.
A hundred percent.
So again, I think I like alternative income
streams.
I tend to think of it as, how
can we give you a more multifaceted business?
So if you were sick, if an emergency

(11:05):
comes up, if like I'm in the DC
metro area, and I work with a lot
of federal employees, who thankfully still all have
their jobs right now, and I'm married to
a federal employee who still has this job
right now, but I wanna be able to
like slide my scale if they lose their
job.
Like I don't want them to be like,
sorry, you got fired, adios, you can't stay

(11:27):
anymore.
And having scaled, having other streams of income
gives me that flexibility without having to really
jack up my rate for the rest of
my caseload to cover those kinds of things.
And still, like I live in a high
cost of living area, pay my daycare bill,
pay our mortgage, spend probably too much at

(11:49):
Shake Shack, things like that.
So having other income streams gives you flexibility
for when life happens, that your intellectual property
lives in different areas, not just in your
brain and your heart.
Right.
And the other piece of that too, is
when we do that, we're not just increasing

(12:10):
our own income, we're also increasing our impact.
Cause that's a, I consume a lot of
marketing.
I feel like marketing is my hobby that
I figured out how to monetize.
And the things that people sell, especially business
to customer, like selling directly to consumers, some

(12:30):
of them are just like, are you serious?
Like, this is not good material.
Actually, all sorts of, I haven't been getting
targeted like with food stuff, but I get
targeted with like a lot of somatic stuff.
And I'll like watch some of the stuff.
I'm like, you are just somebody who like
took a workshop and decided to teach this,

(12:52):
like that you don't have the credentials.
And the people that I ended up working
with are highly trained in IFS or have
done like so many trainings.
I can't even keep track of all of
them.
Like they have so much knowledge.
And they're like, I don't know.
I don't know if anybody wants this.
Some woman is selling shadow work in a

(13:12):
bikini on my feed.
Like we could help you sell what you
wanna sell.
Like people do want that.
And so when we find ways to continue
to see people one-to-one, most of
my people wanna do that, but take our
intellectual property and put it in other accessible
containers, it's increasing our impact for people who

(13:34):
may never be able to afford to work
with us or geographically can't work with us,
that they still get that really good knowledge,
but they don't necessarily get the relationship that
they would in therapy.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, let's talk about the three different paths
to making a million dollars.
Or more.
Or more, yeah.

(13:55):
Cause inflation is a thing.
It used to be like a million dollars.
Whoa, that's so much money.
It's starting to feel like, ooh, man, with
the way milk and eggs are, I don't
know.
So the most traditional way to scale is
to build a group practice.
And we've mentioned, I think already, my new
freebie, which is so fun, the Attune to

(14:17):
Millions calculator.
And so you can, your viewers, people who
are listening can go and check it out.
But group practice is the architect of safety.
And it is, in a lot of ways,
the safest way to scale, although I know
potential group practice owners are like, no, Jen,
I can't understand.
I'm pulling out my hair.
I'm like in every Facebook group trying to
fill out my associates.

(14:38):
But the marketing is, it's just expanding what
you already did to fill your practice.
It's not a lot of, you're not creating
another LLC.
You're not necessarily having to create a ton
of new branding.
You're having to expand beyond branding for an
individual for, I tend to think of it
as like a family of services.

(15:02):
I think this is where group practice owners,
I see, get tripped up, that they just
want to have replicas of themselves as their
associates, as opposed to, wow, there's gonna be
diversity no matter who you hire.
Even if you find somebody who's super, super
similar, they're gonna have a slightly different style.
And so we've talked about this before.

(15:22):
I'm big on ICA when it comes to
messaging.
And I'm almost always saying to people, oh
yes, an ideal client architect.
So it's an ideal, I call it a,
not an architect, archetype.
Avatar, yeah, oh yeah, archetype.
I don't like avatar, cause I like the
idea that it can be an archetype cause
then many people can resonate with it versus

(15:45):
an avatar is just like a tiny, like,
I don't know, you know, like an avatar
on your phone or Hinduism.
It makes me think of like a cartoon,
but yeah.
Yes, so an archetype will have, now we're
gonna go off on this path for a
minute, Allison, but what I like about an
archetype, cause this is so many people are

(16:05):
hesitant to niche down cause they want to
be inclusive.
Think about it as an archetype.
Many people of all sorts of different demographics,
different journeys, et cetera, resonate with the archetype.
Like I know Harry Potter is not as
in fashion as it once was because of
the craziness that J.K. Rowling is on.

(16:26):
But people, if you ask millennials, like what
is your Hogwarts house can tell you, right?
Like, no, like this is because it's archetypal,
like this is who I am.
And so again, ICA, when we think of
it as an archetype, you can still then
talk to one specific person, which is part
of why my copy is conversational and you

(16:47):
feel like you're talking to me because I
have somebody specific that I'm imagining talking to.
And who knows, Allison, maybe I'll just write
you some stories over the next week.
But when we do that, it feels stickier.
It feels more intimate.
People are more willing to like go deeper
with us and feel more compelled to take

(17:07):
action when we suggest they take action.
So coming back to group practice owners, I'm
always saying to people, you can only have
one ICA.
One, you cannot, I know you wanna have
18 and you wanna have 20 different niche
pages on your website, but you can have
one.
Group practice owners, you can have a family
of ICAs, but they all have to be
connected to each other so it makes sense.

(17:29):
But in group practice, when we start to
look at associates and how many people you
wanna take on, how many hours, you then
know how many leads you have to generate
for the year.
And I think often what happens is people
are like, I'll just hire a person, I
gotta do the thing.
And maybe I gotta hire a bunch of
people so I can make a bunch of
money.
Oh my gosh, now I'm like on this

(17:49):
hamster wheel of how do I fill them
up?
As opposed to starting with, okay, I know
that I wanna have 10 associates.
I want them to be, let's say mostly
full-time.
So somewhere between 15 and 20 would be
ideal.
I know I wanna offer a really good
split.
I know I want them to be premium
pay.
And you can put it into the calculator

(18:10):
and it tells you how many people per
year you're gonna see.
And if you give me that number, I
can say, oh, okay.
Well, here's how we need to generate the
lead.
That we can then create a scaffolding plan
of like, here's what you need to do,
here's what you need to build.
That you can start building before you hire
all of these people.

(18:31):
And so then the, and I have a
student in my flagship program right now, this
is the thing of like, okay, now you're
gonna hire another person.
Now you're gonna hire another person.
Because we're building out her lead gen so
she's not having to play catch up.
Yes, yes.
And that just feels better to have to
be like, oh, I have all these clients
on a wait list.
Now I gotta hire somebody.

(18:52):
And I know the kind of person I
have to hire because I know the kinds
of clients that I have waiting for somebody.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely, yes.
So that's, it's not easy.
And I think group practice from a marketing
perspective is actually probably the easiest.
But from a relational perspective, it's probably the
hardest.
Because there's so many, so many things that

(19:15):
get kicked up when you're essentially like building
a family.
Whether you call it a family or not,
like it has family structure to it.
So that's path one.
I'm gonna jump to path three and then
we'll come back to path two because I
think that's the majority of where your people
will wanna be.
Path three is a disruptor of empire.
It's somebody who says, hey, I have a
really successful business.

(19:35):
I like this business.
And I wanna do more than this.
And it might not even be directly related
to what I'm doing.
Like there's some crossover, but I want to
do something different.
And you did this, Alison, right?
You had, you built multiple successful practices and
you looked around and you're like, no, I
want other people to have this.
I want more people in my community of
therapists to be resourced.

(19:57):
And I wanna make sure the communities they're
working in are resourced.
That there's abundance for them and their clients.
I'm gonna do something about that.
And so you built it out and it's
a lot of different kinds of marketing strategies
than just building a one-to-one practice.
There's like skills that overlap, but you probably
didn't have to think deeply about like a
tech stack or funnels or conversion rates or

(20:21):
anything like that when you were just building
a practice.
Is that accurate?
Oh yeah, I thought building abundance would be
like just a little bit more of what
I was doing in my practice.
I didn't realize it was completely different skillset
from a marketing perspective.
And don't know that I would have gone
for it, I know.
But I'm glad I did.
And I had a lot of vim and

(20:41):
vigor to like make it happen.
And I think that's the conversation I end
up having with people when they wanna do
something similar is like, don't do this just
for extra money.
Like you have to actually be passionate about
it or you're not gonna get it off
the ground.
Because it's the passion that makes it go,
not what you're doing, because a lot of
what you do isn't gonna work at first.

(21:02):
You gotta really figure it out.
Yeah, I feel that.
Sometimes I'm just like, it's not quite imposter
syndrome, but I'm like, I know I'm very
good at marketing, but man, it's a totally
different skillset.
And I've actually had to rearrange my calendar
that I'm like, I can't see clients and
do the marketing thing on the same day

(21:22):
because it's too much task shifting for me.
I'm like, I just feel so discombobulated.
And I think to this point, part of
what is hard, I think that I see
for a lot of the students I work
with in this transition is this is not
as intimate as practice is.
It just never will be.

(21:43):
And I'm pretty good at being resistant.
I'm like, no, I want it to be
like deeply intimate.
And at some point it's like, you and
I actually have had this conversation.
I had a coaching call with you and
you're like, it just can't be.
I'm like, but I want it to be
Alice.
And you're like, it just can't be.
And I think I'm coming around to it.
It doesn't mean there's not still intimacy here,
but it's just never gonna be as rich

(22:05):
and deep as like a one-to-one.
So Disruptor of Empire, part of what I
love to do with people, like this is
the most fun part for me is like,
cause there's all of these things for us
to do.
And here's how we can build out scaffolding
and let's do it this piece by this
piece by this piece.
Like here's the wider plan.
And the marketing modality that I particularly like

(22:25):
is Ascension Model, which I know goes in
and out of favor.
You are probably one of the few people
I think in our space that I don't
know that you quite have an Ascension Model,
but you're closer than some of the other
people that we work with.
Yeah, yeah.
And so I love Ascension Model cause it
really breaks down.
You take this step as a consumer.

(22:47):
All right, now that you've taken that step,
here's the next step and here's the next
step.
It feels the most akin to what I
do therapeutically with people of like, just breaking
it down.
Like we're walking, there's many transformations.
We'll get to a bigger transformation, but it's
really about helping, at least in my marketing
ecosphere, it's about helping people become more independent

(23:08):
and to be able to individuate from me
of like, you don't need to be in
my program forever.
I'm gonna give you the skills and techniques
and resources so you can go and fly
on your own.
And like, you can always come back, right?
Like this is good secure attachment, like come
back for a one-on-one or like
check something out with me.
But for the most part, you can go
off and do it on your own, which

(23:29):
I don't think a lot of marketing coaches,
at least the ones that I have worked
with, like in the non-private practice sphere
tend to do.
It's sort of like, you gotta keep coming.
Like, I'm gonna tell you exactly what to
do.
You don't know what to do.
Keep investing on the hook.
Yeah, next best to mine, like ascend into
my close proximity.
So Disruptor of Empire also has the most

(23:52):
earning potential.
Group practices can be very lucrative, but there's
a lot of overhead.
Right, yeah, the profit margins are really small
compared to like making the same amount with
a digital business, for instance.
Yes, in digital businesses, you can be extremely
lean if you want to be.
Yeah.
So the third path though is where I

(24:14):
see and work with most of my people,
and I know we just have a few
more minutes, but it's essentially saying, okay, you
have a pretty good practice.
I know you're freaked out that people are
all gonna leave and you don't know if
they're gonna stay and like, are you gonna
replace the spot?
I could just give you some easy skills
so you could just replace that, which is
what I do in my own practice.

(24:35):
Like I have somebody finishing up.
I'm like, I can spend two or three
hours max and I'll fill that spot.
And I charge $300 an hour, like, and
it's maybe a recession.
Like I'm not worried about filling that spot
because I have the skills to do it.
And I can teach people how to do
that.
But what I like to do, and if
I, I don't know, had 18 more hours

(24:56):
in a day, I would do it for
my practice, is we can monetize your marketing.
That you're doing all of this SEO blogging,
like you're doing all of this effort for
a wait list that you may or may
not ever actually take people off.
I also don't love wait lists in general.
I want people to be able to see

(25:17):
people when they're ready to see them.
And so instead of doing that, why don't
we monetize your marketing, create what's called a
self-liquidating funnel.
So we have a low priced offer with
an order bump with like an one-time
offer.
So like a slightly more expensive thing.
We can package it up.
We can direct your SEO products to that.

(25:38):
If you wanna run ads, we can run
ads.
If you wanna be somebody who goes on
podcasts or has a podcast, we can direct
all your marketing to that.
And once people are in that offer, we
can help them know that they can ascend
into your one-on-one if they like
meet the criteria.
And so now we're talking about making an
additional, once these really get rolling, like I

(26:01):
think 5K is very easy to make on
like an SLO, especially if you're willing to
run ads and or you have a really
robust SEO strategy that you can be making
money.
It's still seeing your people not really doing
a lot like beyond what you're already doing
to like keep your caseload full.
And so we've added passive income stream.

(26:21):
We've increased how you get to impact people
and you get to weave between these two
worlds that you don't actually have to add
in a lot of overhead.
It's also a really good starting place.
If you know, you're like, no, I really
do wanna build a whole other thing.
Let's practice over here.
So you get a taste of it without
like all of the frustration overhead.

(26:43):
Like you get to practice in a sandbox
doing something you're already really comfortable with.
And then you can always expand out if
you want and you have the skills and
frankly, you'll have the tech stack and like,
you'll know what to do.
And it makes it so much easier to
build a bigger thing.
So yeah.

(27:03):
Amazing.
So I know that we are out of
time.
I know that people listening who are interested
in maybe all three and trying to choose
for themselves.
Does the calculator allow them to play with
each of those options?
It does.
I also have Bossy Big Sister Energy.
And so there are videos through that are

(27:23):
linked in all of them.
It's an AI tool.
And so I tell them like, this is
what I think you should do in a
much longer format than we're able to have
here.
Got it.
But yeah, they can play.
I have played with all three in making
marketing materials for this.
I'm like, I should maybe do like have
a group practice.
I'm like, Jen, you don't have time to
have a group practice.

(27:44):
One thing at a time or two things
at a time.
Maybe I should have an SLO for my
private practice.
I'm like, I don't, what are you doing?
You already have two full-time businesses and
a toddler.
Like you don't need to be building other
things.
I know.
It's good though when you've created something so
good you're like, ooh, I want to do
it.
Yes, yes.
And so people can play with all three.

(28:05):
And then once they find the one that
they're like, I think this is like, this
looks really appealing.
Like this would be so fun.
ATM is just a projection of what's possible
at the calculator.
There's no actual strategy of how you do
that.
And I always want to be upfront about
that because like a lot of people sell
this kind of thing.
And you're like, that'd be amazing.

(28:25):
And I was like, well, what do I
do with it?
So if people go through and do this
and then take screenshots and DM them to
me at A Thinker's Guide, I will make
them a quick three or four minute video
and be like, this is what you should
do.
Awesome.
So I'll just tell people what to do,
which is what I want.
I want to make people cry and I
want to tell people what to do.
That's really.
You do have big sister energy.

(28:47):
I do.
So people can check that out.
It's at a thinkersguide.com slash scale.
Awesome.
And we'll put that in the show notes
so it's an easy click for people listening.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you for having me.
And I love people being able to think
about like what else is out there for
them beyond one-on-one.

(29:09):
Yeah, yeah.
I wish for more people to make more
money in our space.
Yes.
I think when we make more money, we
are just so much more likely to invest
in our community.
And that is what our communities need right
now.
Yes.
And this is a way to invest in
a way that people can pay for and
then also make the money so you can
invest with your local community as well.

(29:32):
Love it.
Awesome.
Yay.
Well, thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
I'll talk to you later.
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