September 10, 2025 • 27 mins
In today's podcast, Abundance Community member Megan and I dive into her plans to niche her practice around ADHD and eating disorders, especially for high-functioning adults who may be late-diagnosed. We talk through website messaging, fee setting, and session structure—all while keeping her growth goals aligned with ethical practice. We also explore the role of self-disclosure in marketing, weighing how sharing personal experiences can strengthen connection while protecting boundaries.
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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Hi, welcome to the Abundant Practice Podcast.
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All right, onto the show.
So I've talked about therapy notes on here
for years.
I could talk about the features and the
benefits in my sleep, but there are a
couple of things I want you to know
about therapy notes that doesn't typically make it
into an ad script.
First is that they actually care if you
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like their platform.
They don't only make themselves available on the
phone to troubleshoot so you don't pull your
hair out when you get stuck.
They also take member suggestions and implement those
that there's client demand for, like therapy search
and included listing service that helps clients find
you, internal and external secure messaging, clinical outcome
measures to keep an eye on how your
clients are progressing, a super smooth super bill
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process, real-time eligibility to check on your
client's insurance.
In my conversations with the employees there at
all levels, they all really believe in their
product and they want you to love it
too.
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Why should you care about that?
Because as soon as venture capital becomes involved,
the focus shifts from making customers happy to
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making investors happy.
Prices go way up, innovation plateaus, making more
money with as little output as possible becomes
the number one focus.
With over a hundred thousand therapists using their
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.com with the coupon code abundant.
How are you doing Megan?
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm really shocked about one of these.
This is crazy.
I know.
Nice work.
I think they went in two minutes this
time.
So yeah, I can't believe it.
Like what are we doing here?
Okay.
Yeah.
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Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Questions for you.
Yeah.
Ask away.
Okay.
So I think I wanted to talk about
my niche because it's changed a little bit.
It was like going to do the over
-control eating disorder.
And then in working with over-controlled people,
I've learned that's like such a bad fit
for me.
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So it really, it has to be ADHD.
Okay.
ADHD and eating disorders, like the combo?
Yeah.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Huge correlation.
And I think I have like thrown anxiety
in there too, just because everybody's anxious.
And that one's, I don't know.
It's just, I'm always doing that too.
So that one's in there.
Yeah.
But like push is like eating disorders, anxiety
or ADHD in eating disorders.
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Yeah.
Love it.
That sounds great.
I feel like my website doesn't tie those
together because I wrote it for a different
niche.
And that's the thing that I'm like, this
doesn't totally flow.
I'm still getting a fair amount of referrals.
Like I'm not freaking out in July.
Like I'm usually panicked about money and I'm
not.
Yeah.
But I think that's maybe what I was
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thinking we could talk about.
Yeah.
And I also realized I need to make
more money, but I think I just need
to do more sessions in a week.
Okay.
And then that will make the money.
Okay.
But you're getting lots of calls.
So what's.
Not lots of calls, but just like usually
in June, I hear from no one.
And so the fact that anybody's coming in,
I'm like, what is happening?
This is a miracle.
Got it.
Got it.
So not a lot, a lot.
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I'm not turning anyone away yet.
Okay.
Got it.
And I'm probably averaging like 12 to 13
sessions a week.
And I think I need more like 15,
16 to make the amount of money.
Okay.
So you'll make that amount of money.
How is it going to feel?
Does that feel like a good number for
you from a life perspective?
I think so.
My son's going to go to preschool.
Um, so I think I'll be able to
do it.
Um, yeah, that was what I, that was
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my max when I, before I had kids.
Okay.
So I know it's still kind of a
lot, but I'm like, kids are really expensive.
So I feel like I need to kind
of be at that.
And if he's quite think I can do
it.
Awesome.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So in terms of like, you know, redoing
your website, you're a great writer.
So we've got that on board.
It's just, and I guess my question is,
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does your person know that they have ADHD
already?
No.
Okay.
Fun.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
Actually one question I should ask you before
I go into this because I'm realizing, I
don't know who else to Sundays.
I'm still working Sundays and I hate it.
What are you doing?
Come on.
Hate it.
I know.
I know.
Um, I think once he goes to preschool,
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I can like do Monday through Thursday, but
I have like this one client that I've
like, feel weirdly committed to.
And I'm just like, do I just drop
Sundays or should I like hang in there
for her?
I feel very confused about Sundays.
What's going on in her life that that's
the only possible time she can be seen.
It's like the extreme workaholics of the high
achiever high school students.
Okay.
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Amazing.
And so it's actually a clinical issue.
It's bad for her to see you on
a Sunday.
It's enabling for her to see you on
a Sunday.
Really?
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, if we're looking at, if we
were looking at it, like, like her overcommitment
is her drug.
Oh, it is.
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Oh my God.
That's everyone who sees me on a Sunday.
Pretty much a hundred percent.
Yeah.
So this is your, the transition for them
is actually going to be much more clinically
important than just like, I don't want to
work these hours anymore for you.
Like the conversations you get to have around
the shift.
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It's not just the way I usually recommend
it, which is like, I'm changing my hours.
I'm now not working Sundays, but it's going
to be like, I realized that by working
on this day, when you don't have other
things scheduled, I allow you to only prioritize
your own mental health when it's not in
conflict with the thing that is hurting your
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mental health.
The frantic doing.
Yeah.
That's like the chronic thing.
Wow.
Okay.
I feel like I have to wait until
January.
I've been doing the thing where after six
cancellations, I just charge them.
They give me notice because it's rich people
and they're traveling all the time.
And so I bought, like, I charged her
for last Sunday.
She wasn't here.
And it's really help filling in my income
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for the rest of the year.
But I feel like it's for a calendar
year.
I do that.
And so I need to work Sundays for
the end of the calendar year.
Okay.
I don't know.
That feels weird.
So I'm going to, so I think they're
the end of the year.
And I'd like to revisit the six misses
too.
That's a lot.
Is that a lot?
Well, it's like, with over 24 hour notice.
Right.
Okay.
But it's like, I'm holding Sunday at 10
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AM for her.
And that's such a hot one that I'm
like, even if you give me enough notice,
like I have to charge you after six.
So is that, that to me seems not
like a lot or is it?
I don't know.
I'm trying to reconfigure the way I'm thinking
about it.
It might be a reasonable amount.
Cause yeah, with 24.
Yeah.
Or you could also go to a, just
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like a no cancellation policy.
Right.
I think with the, with like work, working
nine to five, I feel like I don't
have to guard those hours as like, you
know what I mean?
Like I feel like people can cancel and
it's more okay.
Cause they're not in high demand.
Whereas I'm like turning people away from my
Sunday hours.
And that's when I'm like, okay, this sucks
if you're canceling on me a bunch.
So that's an act of that.
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And then I've done that with her the
next two last two years, supposed to be
going away to college, probably in a different
state.
And we've talked about me even getting licensed
in that state to continue working with her.
Cause it's something I want to do anyways.
But I think as that's why I feel
so like committed to her now that I'm
like, oh my God, I can't get out
of Sundays, but no, you're right.
I can.
And it's five months.
It's better for her.
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Okay.
I mean, I would say it's, it's better
for this to happen before January.
I know.
I feel like I've already taken their money
though.
So now it feels weird to like hold
the spot and then I won't have the
spot anymore.
So it's like, why did I take their
money?
Well, you're not taking their money unless they
don't come.
Yeah, but they didn't come and I helped.
Right.
And then I charged them.
Yeah.
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So you're saying I could do it before
January.
Yeah.
I think, I honestly think it would be
better before the school year starts so that
they can plan around therapy.
Cause if they, cause if, if this happens
in January, when she's already doing track these
days and debate these days, it's much harder
versus like, I have this commitment Thursdays.
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Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
I love it when I think as therapists,
we often over-accommodate our clients anyway, not
even out of our own sense of scarcity,
but just because we love them, you know,
like we care about them and we want
to make things easy.
And so it's hard to go back on
that when you realize there's a solid, important
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clinical reason to change it, then it makes
it easier.
Cause it's truly, truly in their best interest.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm going to get out of Sundays.
Thank you.
Amazing.
Love it.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I just, that was like one thing I
was like, we have to talk about Sundays.
I can't keep living like this.
I hate it.
Yeah.
That's awful.
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Yeah.
And I'm charging 300 a session and now
it feels fine.
Yes.
Remember how scary it was?
It was like the scariest thing that ever
happened.
That's totally fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then how much do people normally raise
it every year?
Like, I guess I feel like 300 feels
okay.
So I was going to do like the
incremental life, like, you know, like 3%
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or whatever, just like to like or something
this year.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I like setting a precedent
of the fee going up every year because
otherwise I ended up talking to people who
are like, I haven't raised my fee in
seven years.
And it's like, Oh, the world is a
different place than it was back before COVID.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think if 300 is feeling
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fine, then sure.
A 3% cost of living raise, or
maybe to actually look at the cost of
inflation and see what the actual, cause it's
probably not 3%, but see what the cost
of living raise needs to be.
And then I wanted to go to 45
minutes sessions from 50.
Is that crazy?
No.
Are you sure?
What you could do is just saying like,
maybe like, instead of raising the rate on
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the date, as, as you know, I said,
I was going to do all my paperwork.
I'm going to shorten sessions by five minutes
instead of charging more money.
So maybe that's what you do the next
time.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause every January they get something from me
where something changes inconveniently for them.
So maybe that's fine.
I always go over.
I just feel like 45 makes more sense.
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Yeah.
I just feel like it makes more sense.
Awesome.
Love it.
Okay.
Thank you.
Sorry.
Back to your question.
Yeah.
Back to niche.
Yeah.
ADHD.
Do they know they have it often?
No.
Cause they're really high function.
Cause it's me, right?
It's just me.
So it's like they're really high functioning ADHD
years.
Who's like, don't really know it or very
late diagnosed.
Yeah.
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But they know they have eating disorders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I think you drop clues because you
talk about like the and this means you
don't have to change your copy significantly, but
you look at the ways that ADHD shows
up for them.
Like if they have pretty decent executive functioning
or they've developed systems because their ego wouldn't
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be able to handle them dropping balls, then
to look at like, how does, you know,
all of our diagnoses aren't diagnoses unless they're
negatively impacting our lives.
Right.
So look at how the ADHD is impacting
their current life in a negative way and
drop like drizzle that through your website.
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Okay.
And then you could have a specialty page
of like 80 plus ADHD.
Right now I have just ADHD, anxiety, eating
disorder.
Yeah.
It's more like front page is the thing
that most people read.
And I feel like it's more tailored for
like, well, actually, you know, now that I'm
learning about it, it's, it is tailored for
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like the internalizing ADHD, which is what I've
learned.
I am where like my hyperactivity was in
my perfectionism and people-pleasing versus like being
wild or something.
So it's kind of there actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe on your homepage, you do talk about
the internal experience of your ideal client and
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you put some of that in there because
I mean, they're all going to be like,
yeah, perfectionism, you know, I, I, right.
Um, you might not need to change much.
I mean, it sounds like you're probably getting
some of your ideal clients, right?
I am actually a lot of who comes
to me, especially from online is like a
pretty good fit actually.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
No.
So I guess it's like, it is like
probably pretty good.
I think I'm still coming to understand ADHD
and coming to understand that it is like
the thing that I really want to focus
on wrapping my head around it.
Cause I don't, I don't look like it.
Like I don't.
So I think that's the thing is the
people I like working with don't really look
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like it.
Cause the ones who look like it are
so wild.
I like, don't know what to do with
them at all.
You know what?
So that's why I never thought I wanted
to do ADHD cause I'm like, I don't
know what to do with them, you know,
but then it's me too.
And then, oh, okay.
I know what to do with me.
So yeah.
But it's more of like the internalizing, but
still like the seeking intensity, but in ways
more like socially acceptable.
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Yeah.
Like my house is messier now on medication
because I'm less like intense about everything.
Like I'm softer.
I love that.
Yeah.
So, but it's like, that's how it's supposed
to happen on meds.
You're supposed to be, now you're going to
take care of those piles.
Right.
No, the files were always perfect before because
I was so intense about meeting and now
I'm like kind of soft and yeah.
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So it's, which I didn't know.
Right.
So it's, it's all kind of like something
I'm learning as we go.
Yeah.
So like if you're learning as you go,
then you can just kind of like drop
in a sentence here and there on your
website as things occur to you, as you
start to see patterns in the clients that
come in that feel like great fits and
like, you know, on your ADHD page, making
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sure that you're describing this isn't your kid's
ADHD, the kind of ADHD that I see
in my practice, particularly when combined with eating
disorders looks like this.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
That makes sense.
I always forget.
I can like be myself and be funny,
but you're so yourself and so funny on
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your website already.
Okay.
Really?
I mean, I remember you saying that was
going to be hard for you and then
it was like, great.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I always think I have to write like
a school paper and then boring right answer.
Okay.
Trying to think of, um, would you be
able to look at my website?
I can't.
Yeah.
Cause I feel like that's really the thing
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that I feel a little like, I don't
know.
Cause what I see is everybody just reads
the homepage and they about me.
And I like my about me, but the
homepage, there's like a sense of it of
like, I don't know.
Okay.
Let's see.
I've got it pulled up.
I'm going to share the screen with you
real quick.
All right.
I added testimonials and I found an ethical
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way to get them.
Oh, because people write you like letters after
they leave, they're not your current client.
And then they give it because you can't
solicit reviews as an LCSW, but if someone
volunteers them, then I think you can ask
if you can put them on your website.
So that's what I did.
Okay.
Interesting.
Or did I, did I mess that up?
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I don't know.
I haven't heard that before.
I'm, you know, like the rule follower in
me is like, just be safe, whatever you
do, you know, I looked at the code
of ethics for LCSW and it's like, you
can't solicit, you can't solicit reviews from current
clients or anyone that would be a power
differential.
So this is like when someone graduates and
they give me a card.
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Right.
Right.
They gave me the card.
I solicited nothing.
I think that where this comes up, like
while it might be totally legit, what it
does allow is the board to question you
about it.
So I think it just potentially opens a
door for some drama that you can be
like, no, like here it is.
Like I've still got the card, you know?
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Um, uh, so just like kind of a,
like anxiety.
Okay.
Should I take the, what others are saying
down?
Cause I just put the testimonials up.
Just did.
Uh-huh.
What do you think?
Am I inviting trouble?
Potentially?
I would probably wouldn't do it.
And here's the deal.
You've been getting plenty of clients, right?
So like, you don't need them if you
just put this up.
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Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
People say such nice things though.
I'm like, I want people to know, otherwise
I'm just some weird lady.
And I'm like, no people like me.
Okay.
I'll think about it.
Yeah.
So like I work with people who have
tried to do the right thing all their
lives, but have gotten stuck.
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You're immediately talking to that person.
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
Like, I mean just this first headline.
Okay.
I think the next part, like the pleasure
to have in class kid, I actually always
was a pleasure to have in class, but
I also had trouble for talking to my
friends too much.
Right.
But that also fits, right?
Because it's not usually the aloof kid that's
the pleasure to have in class.
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Right.
Right.
It's pretty contiguous.
Yeah.
So I think, I think you're nailing it
here.
Like growing up, you may have been called
the good kid, the pleasure to having class
kid, the eldest child, the responsible one.
Yeah.
I mean, you are absolutely talking about this
internalized ADHD or with an eating disorder.
Okay.
Yeah.
We know this person grown up, right?
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You don't know that this was a thing,
the internalized ADHD or the like.
Yeah.
This is something very new to me.
No, me too.
I didn't even know this was a freaking
thing.
Yeah.
It's interesting because it's such a more female
presentation.
Yeah.
I think about how boys were always diagnosed
as kids because they were hyperactive.
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Whereas the girls of my generation were not
diagnosed.
Now they're like 40 and oh, so yeah.
I don't think, I don't think your website
needs anything, honestly.
I wouldn't mess with it.
I wouldn't mess with it.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
I thought it was all wrong.
Look at all these hours of work I
just saved you.
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I never do that.
I never do that.
I feel like I want to put something
in here though.
Like that first line of like the things
that are wrong, like something about ADHD.
Yeah.
Okay.
So maybe, maybe something about like your perfectionism
has driven almost everything you've done and it
feels like it runs on a motor.
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Oh, that's a nice tie-in.
No, that, that's a nice tie-in.
It's the intensity.
Yeah.
That's like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's the intensity because that's what I'm learning
is like the through line for ADHD is
like the intensity and having to have intensity.
The intensity can look really different and sometimes
it looks like being very clean, but it's
the intensity.
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That's the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The part at the very bottom, if you
go down where I have the about me,
there's nothing about ADHD in there at all.
It's very like bodies and you know, anxiety.
I'm like, I would love, like, how do
I insert something in there that's a little
more ADHD friendly?
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So there's not self-disclosure in here.
So we can't be like as a late
diagnosed ADHD-er.
Should I be doing that?
If it feels right to you, you know,
like you can do it.
I don't know with ADHD because ADHD is
so new to me with eating disorders.
I'll tell anybody, but with ADHD, I'm like,
I don't know if I'm supposed to or
not, which eating disorder would almost feel more
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embarrassing and hard to talk about, but it's
just older.
So it's easy to talk about now.
Yeah.
Whereas this feels like, ah.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess you could say something
about, because it says here you can feel
calm.
The new tasks and distractions, right?
So like you're already slightly touching on it,
but you could talk about like, basically like
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that drive for perfection, that need for intensity
doesn't have to rule your life.
You could just throw a sentence or two
in there.
Okay.
Should I disclose that I have ADHD?
That's actually such a good question for you.
It's so personal.
Okay.
If it still feels like, if you still
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have a lot of feelings about it, I
might work through the feelings you have first
before disclosing.
And then I always like the model that
somebody taught me of like knowing what you're
going to disclose and why, like having it
all literally written down, like writing down, I
have ADHD.
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And then the circumstances in which it makes
sense to disclose that, that it's not just
the thing that flies out of your mouth
in a moment where it's not actually therapeutically
beneficial for the person.
Yeah.
So just thinking through how it feels for
you.
I just think of like the person who
helped me the most had ADHD.
And I think if I didn't know they'd
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had it, I would have felt like judged
and probably like I couldn't tell them about
it.
Okay.
So I almost feel like I would want
them to know I have it because otherwise
I don't know.
It's just such a specific life experience that
I do feel like it's hard to like
everything, but yeah, like I just felt like
that was such an important part of me
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getting help and feeling understood.
Yeah.
So I guess I kind of want to
share it.
Yeah.
Great.
I mean, you don't share about the eating
disorder here.
Oh yeah.
That's true.
I do in the about me.
So maybe that in about me is where
I would share it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This would be a really easy place to
just drop it.
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Yeah.
Though I think, yeah, here's your story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The eating disorder, I actually kind of go
into more.
And so like you can do a little
like now here I am middle age, you
know?
Right.
Right.
Realizing that what I thought was a drive
for perfection that fed into my eating disorder
so intensely.
Yeah.
Was not solely just the eating disorder or
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solely just my self-worth.
Yeah.
But it was entirely other thing too.
You know, what's so interesting also is like
same way my house was really clean.
Like I recovered from my eating disorder, but
like my expectations for my body were so
rigid, you know?
And like what it had to look like
and how much I ate and how much
it, and it never felt like the eating
disorder anymore.
It felt different for like the last, like,
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I don't know, like 10 years or so.
And then it's like, I got diagnosed and
put on medication and then I just like,
don't care that much.
Like, dude, that was just the ADHD this
whole, like that wasn't even really the eating
disorder.
That was just how I learned to channel
the ADHD was like the intensity about my
body.
So on stimulants, I've gained weight and my
house is messier.
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Like, you know what I mean?
Like everything about it is so weird to
me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They say that's not supposed to happen.
Right.
But I'm like, but it does.
If that's how you were channeling your need
for intensity.
Right.
Yeah.
I feel like I don't know what to
do with that information in terms of like,
does anybody else have this experience?
Like it's weird to me.
Yeah.
(23:13):
Yeah.
It's interesting.
I definitely, I need to learn more about
like the internalized ADHD.
It's fascinating to me.
Ted, you heard that people their houses can
get messier and they gain weight on stimulants
because it's like you relax.
Right.
I mean, it makes sense.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You hadn't heard this before, right?
Like I'm like, was this information out there
(23:33):
that I should have found it?
No.
It reminds me a little bit of perimenopause
though, to be honest.
Fuck it all.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Or I just like, yeah, I'm just like,
I just, I just can't care.
I just don't care.
Yeah.
What are the benefits of aging and being
on the right meds and yeah.
(23:55):
Yeah.
Okay.
Awesome.
Okay.
Oh, and then I haven't been blogging that
much.
I've just been doing it like every so
often, but it seems fine.
Yeah.
It doesn't seem like you need to write.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, so people know I'm
not like abandoning it, but right.
Yeah.
But it sounds like if you need more
clients, you know, the levers to pull.
So it's just pulling that if you want
(24:16):
to get up to 15, 16.
Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
But since you just saved hours of website
reworking, you can just spend those hours on
pulling those letters.
Oh, that's nice.
That's nice to hear that.
It's like kind of good enough as it
is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's working and it's bringing in your people,
you know, like you could do a little,
(24:38):
a couple of little sentences here and there
to verify even more and bring in those
people even more, but yeah.
Yeah.
Is it weird?
I did some speaking things and is it
weird to ask them?
Cause they don't post it on their website.
And I'm like, I want that backlink.
Like I want them to post it.
Is that weird to ask?
No, I don't think so.
(24:59):
I mean, I think it also depends on
like, what's your, like, what was the agreement
beforehand?
So if they don't know that that was
a part of it, then they might be
like, Oh, well, we never intended to have
a spot for that on our website.
Like it's like a baby organization just starting
to do like panel talks.
So it's like, I don't think they've thought
it through.
Got it.
They're all kind of friends.
So I'm like, I just want to be
like, you guys should, you guys got a
(25:20):
website, throw it on there.
Like who's been your panel speakers, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I joined the IADP like board
chapter and they don't hyper link to your
website.
They list you.
And I'm like, is it weird to be
like, go ahead and throw that back link.
I'm like, is no one else worried about
SEO?
What's happening?
Yeah.
You should definitely ask them to do that.
Because I was also on the IADP board
(25:41):
at one point and it's, it's just like
most boards.
There's just so much to do, but you
don't know exactly what your job is.
And then there's like, like whose job would
it be to hyperlink, you know, like that
whole kind of thing.
So I think it's worth bringing up and
asking.
Or you think it's okay to ask people
to do that?
Always.
Yeah.
You always have the right to ask.
You just don't have the right to expect.
Okay.
I know the backlinks are just such a
(26:02):
hot thing, but I have these opportunities for
backlinks and I'm like, I want them so
bad, but I feel uncomfortable asking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing.
I feel so lucky I got this time
with you.
I love it.
I love it.
I'm glad you did.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
Just like kind of miscellaneous questions running through
my head.
I really appreciate it.
And I appreciate the perspective on Sundays.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited about that.
(26:22):
Please let me know about it.
Okay.
I feel the same sense of dread I
did before I did all the other changes
that now seem like no-brainers and not
a big deal.
So now you can just rely on like,
I know that this feels big now.
I'm like, I know this feeling where I'm
like, but I'm going to kill them with,
if I may.
And it's like, no, this is the right
thing.
So yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
(26:42):
I love getting your letters, your updates, and
I feel like I know how you are
from afar.
So yeah.
Oh, and I've been reading all fours with
Miranda July because you recommended it.
It's crazy.
It is something.
Yeah.
I still, I've had some conversations.
Look, it's something.
You seen the onion article about her?
(27:02):
No.
Okay.
Can I send it to like abundance?
It's like, it made me like cry laugh.
It was so funny.
Yeah.
Send it to accountability.
I'll get it.
Awesome.
All right.
Good to see you.
I'll talk to you later.
Bye.
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How are you doing Megan?
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm really shocked about one of these.
This is crazy.
I know.
Nice work.
I think they went in two minutes this
time.
So yeah, I can't believe it.
Like what are we doing here?
Okay.
Yeah.
(02:13):
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Questions for you.
Yeah.
Ask away.
Okay.
So I think I wanted to talk about
my niche because it's changed a little bit.
It was like going to do the over
-control eating disorder.
And then in working with over-controlled people,
I've learned that's like such a bad fit
for me.
(02:33):
So it really, it has to be ADHD.
Okay.
ADHD and eating disorders, like the combo?
Yeah.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Huge correlation.
And I think I have like thrown anxiety
in there too, just because everybody's anxious.
And that one's, I don't know.
It's just, I'm always doing that too.
So that one's in there.
Yeah.
But like push is like eating disorders, anxiety
or ADHD in eating disorders.
(02:54):
Yeah.
Love it.
That sounds great.
I feel like my website doesn't tie those
together because I wrote it for a different
niche.
And that's the thing that I'm like, this
doesn't totally flow.
I'm still getting a fair amount of referrals.
Like I'm not freaking out in July.
Like I'm usually panicked about money and I'm
not.
Yeah.
But I think that's maybe what I was
(03:14):
thinking we could talk about.
Yeah.
And I also realized I need to make
more money, but I think I just need
to do more sessions in a week.
Okay.
And then that will make the money.
Okay.
But you're getting lots of calls.
So what's.
Not lots of calls, but just like usually
in June, I hear from no one.
And so the fact that anybody's coming in,
I'm like, what is happening?
This is a miracle.
Got it.
Got it.
So not a lot, a lot.
(03:35):
I'm not turning anyone away yet.
Okay.
Got it.
And I'm probably averaging like 12 to 13
sessions a week.
And I think I need more like 15,
16 to make the amount of money.
Okay.
So you'll make that amount of money.
How is it going to feel?
Does that feel like a good number for
you from a life perspective?
I think so.
My son's going to go to preschool.
Um, so I think I'll be able to
do it.
Um, yeah, that was what I, that was
(03:57):
my max when I, before I had kids.
Okay.
So I know it's still kind of a
lot, but I'm like, kids are really expensive.
So I feel like I need to kind
of be at that.
And if he's quite think I can do
it.
Awesome.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So in terms of like, you know, redoing
your website, you're a great writer.
So we've got that on board.
It's just, and I guess my question is,
(04:19):
does your person know that they have ADHD
already?
No.
Okay.
Fun.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
Actually one question I should ask you before
I go into this because I'm realizing, I
don't know who else to Sundays.
I'm still working Sundays and I hate it.
What are you doing?
Come on.
Hate it.
I know.
I know.
Um, I think once he goes to preschool,
(04:39):
I can like do Monday through Thursday, but
I have like this one client that I've
like, feel weirdly committed to.
And I'm just like, do I just drop
Sundays or should I like hang in there
for her?
I feel very confused about Sundays.
What's going on in her life that that's
the only possible time she can be seen.
It's like the extreme workaholics of the high
achiever high school students.
Okay.
(05:00):
Amazing.
And so it's actually a clinical issue.
It's bad for her to see you on
a Sunday.
It's enabling for her to see you on
a Sunday.
Really?
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, if we're looking at, if we
were looking at it, like, like her overcommitment
is her drug.
Oh, it is.
(05:23):
Oh my God.
That's everyone who sees me on a Sunday.
Pretty much a hundred percent.
Yeah.
So this is your, the transition for them
is actually going to be much more clinically
important than just like, I don't want to
work these hours anymore for you.
Like the conversations you get to have around
the shift.
(05:43):
It's not just the way I usually recommend
it, which is like, I'm changing my hours.
I'm now not working Sundays, but it's going
to be like, I realized that by working
on this day, when you don't have other
things scheduled, I allow you to only prioritize
your own mental health when it's not in
conflict with the thing that is hurting your
(06:04):
mental health.
The frantic doing.
Yeah.
That's like the chronic thing.
Wow.
Okay.
I feel like I have to wait until
January.
I've been doing the thing where after six
cancellations, I just charge them.
They give me notice because it's rich people
and they're traveling all the time.
And so I bought, like, I charged her
for last Sunday.
She wasn't here.
And it's really help filling in my income
(06:25):
for the rest of the year.
But I feel like it's for a calendar
year.
I do that.
And so I need to work Sundays for
the end of the calendar year.
Okay.
I don't know.
That feels weird.
So I'm going to, so I think they're
the end of the year.
And I'd like to revisit the six misses
too.
That's a lot.
Is that a lot?
Well, it's like, with over 24 hour notice.
Right.
Okay.
But it's like, I'm holding Sunday at 10
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AM for her.
And that's such a hot one that I'm
like, even if you give me enough notice,
like I have to charge you after six.
So is that, that to me seems not
like a lot or is it?
I don't know.
I'm trying to reconfigure the way I'm thinking
about it.
It might be a reasonable amount.
Cause yeah, with 24.
Yeah.
Or you could also go to a, just
(07:07):
like a no cancellation policy.
Right.
I think with the, with like work, working
nine to five, I feel like I don't
have to guard those hours as like, you
know what I mean?
Like I feel like people can cancel and
it's more okay.
Cause they're not in high demand.
Whereas I'm like turning people away from my
Sunday hours.
And that's when I'm like, okay, this sucks
if you're canceling on me a bunch.
So that's an act of that.
(07:27):
And then I've done that with her the
next two last two years, supposed to be
going away to college, probably in a different
state.
And we've talked about me even getting licensed
in that state to continue working with her.
Cause it's something I want to do anyways.
But I think as that's why I feel
so like committed to her now that I'm
like, oh my God, I can't get out
of Sundays, but no, you're right.
I can.
And it's five months.
It's better for her.
(07:47):
Okay.
I mean, I would say it's, it's better
for this to happen before January.
I know.
I feel like I've already taken their money
though.
So now it feels weird to like hold
the spot and then I won't have the
spot anymore.
So it's like, why did I take their
money?
Well, you're not taking their money unless they
don't come.
Yeah, but they didn't come and I helped.
Right.
And then I charged them.
Yeah.
(08:07):
So you're saying I could do it before
January.
Yeah.
I think, I honestly think it would be
better before the school year starts so that
they can plan around therapy.
Cause if they, cause if, if this happens
in January, when she's already doing track these
days and debate these days, it's much harder
versus like, I have this commitment Thursdays.
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Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
I love it when I think as therapists,
we often over-accommodate our clients anyway, not
even out of our own sense of scarcity,
but just because we love them, you know,
like we care about them and we want
to make things easy.
And so it's hard to go back on
that when you realize there's a solid, important
(08:50):
clinical reason to change it, then it makes
it easier.
Cause it's truly, truly in their best interest.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm going to get out of Sundays.
Thank you.
Amazing.
Love it.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I just, that was like one thing I
was like, we have to talk about Sundays.
I can't keep living like this.
I hate it.
Yeah.
That's awful.
(09:11):
Yeah.
And I'm charging 300 a session and now
it feels fine.
Yes.
Remember how scary it was?
It was like the scariest thing that ever
happened.
That's totally fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then how much do people normally raise
it every year?
Like, I guess I feel like 300 feels
okay.
So I was going to do like the
incremental life, like, you know, like 3%
(09:32):
or whatever, just like to like or something
this year.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I like setting a precedent
of the fee going up every year because
otherwise I ended up talking to people who
are like, I haven't raised my fee in
seven years.
And it's like, Oh, the world is a
different place than it was back before COVID.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think if 300 is feeling
(09:52):
fine, then sure.
A 3% cost of living raise, or
maybe to actually look at the cost of
inflation and see what the actual, cause it's
probably not 3%, but see what the cost
of living raise needs to be.
And then I wanted to go to 45
minutes sessions from 50.
Is that crazy?
No.
Are you sure?
What you could do is just saying like,
maybe like, instead of raising the rate on
(10:15):
the date, as, as you know, I said,
I was going to do all my paperwork.
I'm going to shorten sessions by five minutes
instead of charging more money.
So maybe that's what you do the next
time.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause every January they get something from me
where something changes inconveniently for them.
So maybe that's fine.
I always go over.
I just feel like 45 makes more sense.
(10:36):
Yeah.
I just feel like it makes more sense.
Awesome.
Love it.
Okay.
Thank you.
Sorry.
Back to your question.
Yeah.
Back to niche.
Yeah.
ADHD.
Do they know they have it often?
No.
Cause they're really high function.
Cause it's me, right?
It's just me.
So it's like they're really high functioning ADHD
years.
Who's like, don't really know it or very
late diagnosed.
Yeah.
(10:57):
But they know they have eating disorders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I think you drop clues because you
talk about like the and this means you
don't have to change your copy significantly, but
you look at the ways that ADHD shows
up for them.
Like if they have pretty decent executive functioning
or they've developed systems because their ego wouldn't
(11:19):
be able to handle them dropping balls, then
to look at like, how does, you know,
all of our diagnoses aren't diagnoses unless they're
negatively impacting our lives.
Right.
So look at how the ADHD is impacting
their current life in a negative way and
drop like drizzle that through your website.
(11:41):
Okay.
And then you could have a specialty page
of like 80 plus ADHD.
Right now I have just ADHD, anxiety, eating
disorder.
Yeah.
It's more like front page is the thing
that most people read.
And I feel like it's more tailored for
like, well, actually, you know, now that I'm
learning about it, it's, it is tailored for
(12:01):
like the internalizing ADHD, which is what I've
learned.
I am where like my hyperactivity was in
my perfectionism and people-pleasing versus like being
wild or something.
So it's kind of there actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe on your homepage, you do talk about
the internal experience of your ideal client and
(12:23):
you put some of that in there because
I mean, they're all going to be like,
yeah, perfectionism, you know, I, I, right.
Um, you might not need to change much.
I mean, it sounds like you're probably getting
some of your ideal clients, right?
I am actually a lot of who comes
to me, especially from online is like a
pretty good fit actually.
Yeah.
(12:44):
Yeah.
No.
So I guess it's like, it is like
probably pretty good.
I think I'm still coming to understand ADHD
and coming to understand that it is like
the thing that I really want to focus
on wrapping my head around it.
Cause I don't, I don't look like it.
Like I don't.
So I think that's the thing is the
people I like working with don't really look
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like it.
Cause the ones who look like it are
so wild.
I like, don't know what to do with
them at all.
You know what?
So that's why I never thought I wanted
to do ADHD cause I'm like, I don't
know what to do with them, you know,
but then it's me too.
And then, oh, okay.
I know what to do with me.
So yeah.
But it's more of like the internalizing, but
still like the seeking intensity, but in ways
more like socially acceptable.
(13:26):
Yeah.
Like my house is messier now on medication
because I'm less like intense about everything.
Like I'm softer.
I love that.
Yeah.
So, but it's like, that's how it's supposed
to happen on meds.
You're supposed to be, now you're going to
take care of those piles.
Right.
No, the files were always perfect before because
I was so intense about meeting and now
I'm like kind of soft and yeah.
(13:46):
So it's, which I didn't know.
Right.
So it's, it's all kind of like something
I'm learning as we go.
Yeah.
So like if you're learning as you go,
then you can just kind of like drop
in a sentence here and there on your
website as things occur to you, as you
start to see patterns in the clients that
come in that feel like great fits and
like, you know, on your ADHD page, making
(14:07):
sure that you're describing this isn't your kid's
ADHD, the kind of ADHD that I see
in my practice, particularly when combined with eating
disorders looks like this.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
That makes sense.
I always forget.
I can like be myself and be funny,
but you're so yourself and so funny on
(14:28):
your website already.
Okay.
Really?
I mean, I remember you saying that was
going to be hard for you and then
it was like, great.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I always think I have to write like
a school paper and then boring right answer.
Okay.
Trying to think of, um, would you be
able to look at my website?
I can't.
Yeah.
Cause I feel like that's really the thing
(14:50):
that I feel a little like, I don't
know.
Cause what I see is everybody just reads
the homepage and they about me.
And I like my about me, but the
homepage, there's like a sense of it of
like, I don't know.
Okay.
Let's see.
I've got it pulled up.
I'm going to share the screen with you
real quick.
All right.
I added testimonials and I found an ethical
(15:11):
way to get them.
Oh, because people write you like letters after
they leave, they're not your current client.
And then they give it because you can't
solicit reviews as an LCSW, but if someone
volunteers them, then I think you can ask
if you can put them on your website.
So that's what I did.
Okay.
Interesting.
Or did I, did I mess that up?
(15:32):
I don't know.
I haven't heard that before.
I'm, you know, like the rule follower in
me is like, just be safe, whatever you
do, you know, I looked at the code
of ethics for LCSW and it's like, you
can't solicit, you can't solicit reviews from current
clients or anyone that would be a power
differential.
So this is like when someone graduates and
they give me a card.
(15:53):
Right.
Right.
They gave me the card.
I solicited nothing.
I think that where this comes up, like
while it might be totally legit, what it
does allow is the board to question you
about it.
So I think it just potentially opens a
door for some drama that you can be
like, no, like here it is.
Like I've still got the card, you know?
(16:13):
Um, uh, so just like kind of a,
like anxiety.
Okay.
Should I take the, what others are saying
down?
Cause I just put the testimonials up.
Just did.
Uh-huh.
What do you think?
Am I inviting trouble?
Potentially?
I would probably wouldn't do it.
And here's the deal.
You've been getting plenty of clients, right?
So like, you don't need them if you
just put this up.
(16:34):
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
People say such nice things though.
I'm like, I want people to know, otherwise
I'm just some weird lady.
And I'm like, no people like me.
Okay.
I'll think about it.
Yeah.
So like I work with people who have
tried to do the right thing all their
lives, but have gotten stuck.
(16:55):
You're immediately talking to that person.
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
Like, I mean just this first headline.
Okay.
I think the next part, like the pleasure
to have in class kid, I actually always
was a pleasure to have in class, but
I also had trouble for talking to my
friends too much.
Right.
But that also fits, right?
Because it's not usually the aloof kid that's
the pleasure to have in class.
(17:16):
Right.
Right.
It's pretty contiguous.
Yeah.
So I think, I think you're nailing it
here.
Like growing up, you may have been called
the good kid, the pleasure to having class
kid, the eldest child, the responsible one.
Yeah.
I mean, you are absolutely talking about this
internalized ADHD or with an eating disorder.
Okay.
Yeah.
We know this person grown up, right?
(17:37):
You don't know that this was a thing,
the internalized ADHD or the like.
Yeah.
This is something very new to me.
No, me too.
I didn't even know this was a freaking
thing.
Yeah.
It's interesting because it's such a more female
presentation.
Yeah.
I think about how boys were always diagnosed
as kids because they were hyperactive.
(17:59):
Whereas the girls of my generation were not
diagnosed.
Now they're like 40 and oh, so yeah.
I don't think, I don't think your website
needs anything, honestly.
I wouldn't mess with it.
I wouldn't mess with it.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
I thought it was all wrong.
Look at all these hours of work I
just saved you.
(18:19):
I never do that.
I never do that.
I feel like I want to put something
in here though.
Like that first line of like the things
that are wrong, like something about ADHD.
Yeah.
Okay.
So maybe, maybe something about like your perfectionism
has driven almost everything you've done and it
feels like it runs on a motor.
(18:39):
Oh, that's a nice tie-in.
No, that, that's a nice tie-in.
It's the intensity.
Yeah.
That's like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's the intensity because that's what I'm learning
is like the through line for ADHD is
like the intensity and having to have intensity.
The intensity can look really different and sometimes
it looks like being very clean, but it's
the intensity.
(19:00):
That's the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The part at the very bottom, if you
go down where I have the about me,
there's nothing about ADHD in there at all.
It's very like bodies and you know, anxiety.
I'm like, I would love, like, how do
I insert something in there that's a little
more ADHD friendly?
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So there's not self-disclosure in here.
So we can't be like as a late
diagnosed ADHD-er.
Should I be doing that?
If it feels right to you, you know,
like you can do it.
I don't know with ADHD because ADHD is
so new to me with eating disorders.
I'll tell anybody, but with ADHD, I'm like,
I don't know if I'm supposed to or
not, which eating disorder would almost feel more
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embarrassing and hard to talk about, but it's
just older.
So it's easy to talk about now.
Yeah.
Whereas this feels like, ah.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess you could say something
about, because it says here you can feel
calm.
The new tasks and distractions, right?
So like you're already slightly touching on it,
but you could talk about like, basically like
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that drive for perfection, that need for intensity
doesn't have to rule your life.
You could just throw a sentence or two
in there.
Okay.
Should I disclose that I have ADHD?
That's actually such a good question for you.
It's so personal.
Okay.
If it still feels like, if you still
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have a lot of feelings about it, I
might work through the feelings you have first
before disclosing.
And then I always like the model that
somebody taught me of like knowing what you're
going to disclose and why, like having it
all literally written down, like writing down, I
have ADHD.
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And then the circumstances in which it makes
sense to disclose that, that it's not just
the thing that flies out of your mouth
in a moment where it's not actually therapeutically
beneficial for the person.
Yeah.
So just thinking through how it feels for
you.
I just think of like the person who
helped me the most had ADHD.
And I think if I didn't know they'd
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had it, I would have felt like judged
and probably like I couldn't tell them about
it.
Okay.
So I almost feel like I would want
them to know I have it because otherwise
I don't know.
It's just such a specific life experience that
I do feel like it's hard to like
everything, but yeah, like I just felt like
that was such an important part of me
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getting help and feeling understood.
Yeah.
So I guess I kind of want to
share it.
Yeah.
Great.
I mean, you don't share about the eating
disorder here.
Oh yeah.
That's true.
I do in the about me.
So maybe that in about me is where
I would share it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This would be a really easy place to
just drop it.
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Yeah.
Though I think, yeah, here's your story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The eating disorder, I actually kind of go
into more.
And so like you can do a little
like now here I am middle age, you
know?
Right.
Right.
Realizing that what I thought was a drive
for perfection that fed into my eating disorder
so intensely.
Yeah.
Was not solely just the eating disorder or
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solely just my self-worth.
Yeah.
But it was entirely other thing too.
You know, what's so interesting also is like
same way my house was really clean.
Like I recovered from my eating disorder, but
like my expectations for my body were so
rigid, you know?
And like what it had to look like
and how much I ate and how much
it, and it never felt like the eating
disorder anymore.
It felt different for like the last, like,
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I don't know, like 10 years or so.
And then it's like, I got diagnosed and
put on medication and then I just like,
don't care that much.
Like, dude, that was just the ADHD this
whole, like that wasn't even really the eating
disorder.
That was just how I learned to channel
the ADHD was like the intensity about my
body.
So on stimulants, I've gained weight and my
house is messier.
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Like, you know what I mean?
Like everything about it is so weird to
me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They say that's not supposed to happen.
Right.
But I'm like, but it does.
If that's how you were channeling your need
for intensity.
Right.
Yeah.
I feel like I don't know what to
do with that information in terms of like,
does anybody else have this experience?
Like it's weird to me.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
It's interesting.
I definitely, I need to learn more about
like the internalized ADHD.
It's fascinating to me.
Ted, you heard that people their houses can
get messier and they gain weight on stimulants
because it's like you relax.
Right.
I mean, it makes sense.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You hadn't heard this before, right?
Like I'm like, was this information out there
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that I should have found it?
No.
It reminds me a little bit of perimenopause
though, to be honest.
Fuck it all.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Or I just like, yeah, I'm just like,
I just, I just can't care.
I just don't care.
Yeah.
What are the benefits of aging and being
on the right meds and yeah.
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Yeah.
Okay.
Awesome.
Okay.
Oh, and then I haven't been blogging that
much.
I've just been doing it like every so
often, but it seems fine.
Yeah.
It doesn't seem like you need to write.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, so people know I'm
not like abandoning it, but right.
Yeah.
But it sounds like if you need more
clients, you know, the levers to pull.
So it's just pulling that if you want
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to get up to 15, 16.
Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
But since you just saved hours of website
reworking, you can just spend those hours on
pulling those letters.
Oh, that's nice.
That's nice to hear that.
It's like kind of good enough as it
is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's working and it's bringing in your people,
you know, like you could do a little,
(24:38):
a couple of little sentences here and there
to verify even more and bring in those
people even more, but yeah.
Yeah.
Is it weird?
I did some speaking things and is it
weird to ask them?
Cause they don't post it on their website.
And I'm like, I want that backlink.
Like I want them to post it.
Is that weird to ask?
No, I don't think so.
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I mean, I think it also depends on
like, what's your, like, what was the agreement
beforehand?
So if they don't know that that was
a part of it, then they might be
like, Oh, well, we never intended to have
a spot for that on our website.
Like it's like a baby organization just starting
to do like panel talks.
So it's like, I don't think they've thought
it through.
Got it.
They're all kind of friends.
So I'm like, I just want to be
like, you guys should, you guys got a
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website, throw it on there.
Like who's been your panel speakers, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I joined the IADP like board
chapter and they don't hyper link to your
website.
They list you.
And I'm like, is it weird to be
like, go ahead and throw that back link.
I'm like, is no one else worried about
SEO?
What's happening?
Yeah.
You should definitely ask them to do that.
Because I was also on the IADP board
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at one point and it's, it's just like
most boards.
There's just so much to do, but you
don't know exactly what your job is.
And then there's like, like whose job would
it be to hyperlink, you know, like that
whole kind of thing.
So I think it's worth bringing up and
asking.
Or you think it's okay to ask people
to do that?
Always.
Yeah.
You always have the right to ask.
You just don't have the right to expect.
Okay.
I know the backlinks are just such a
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hot thing, but I have these opportunities for
backlinks and I'm like, I want them so
bad, but I feel uncomfortable asking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing.
I feel so lucky I got this time
with you.
I love it.
I love it.
I'm glad you did.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
Just like kind of miscellaneous questions running through
my head.
I really appreciate it.
And I appreciate the perspective on Sundays.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited about that.
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Please let me know about it.
Okay.
I feel the same sense of dread I
did before I did all the other changes
that now seem like no-brainers and not
a big deal.
So now you can just rely on like,
I know that this feels big now.
I'm like, I know this feeling where I'm
like, but I'm going to kill them with,
if I may.
And it's like, no, this is the right
thing.
So yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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I love getting your letters, your updates, and
I feel like I know how you are
from afar.
So yeah.
Oh, and I've been reading all fours with
Miranda July because you recommended it.
It's crazy.
It is something.
Yeah.
I still, I've had some conversations.
Look, it's something.
You seen the onion article about her?
(27:02):
No.
Okay.
Can I send it to like abundance?
It's like, it made me like cry laugh.
It was so funny.
Yeah.
Send it to accountability.
I'll get it.
Awesome.
All right.
Good to see you.
I'll talk to you later.
Bye.
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