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How good is the start? It's a good start.
It's a great start. It's the first win.
And why do we play if you play to win the game?
And what do we want? I want winners.
I'm not bipartisan. I'm not bipolar.
I'm not by DID, I'm by winning. I went here and I went there.
What's up, Ken folk? It's RJ Young.
I am not on a step mill. If this is your first time
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So if you want to be, you know, pissy at your favorite Texas
fan, if you got one of those, goahead and do that.
I don't really do that because Idon't need to do that.
But that's because I make this show.
So I really wanted to do this episode with Kate because, well,
Kate has discovered some things about the footballs and we need
to we really need to talk about them.
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She's going to ask me some questions, but I'm going to
start with one bigger question. Kate, who's going to win the
national championship? Or more importantly, who's going
to play in the national championship game?
Clemson. OK, all right.
Who they going to play? Penn State and now RJ explained
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to me why that's impossible. OK, all right, for those of
y'all that don't know, Kate's, Kate's family, OK, and, and, and
my family could could really, really give mostly a damn about
this sport. They they like me, right?
And that's, that's something else.
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But that is to say, she probablyhas not heard me rail against
the very idea a Penn State as even a top five program.
Then why are they ranked in the top 10?
Because they are the rest of thebecause the 62 coaches are
stupid about Penn State. And because the AP voters who
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ranked them at #2 are stupid about Penn State.
And I'll tell you why they're stupid about Penn State.
I don't know what kool-aid they are drinking, but they're
certainly not going toward Jonesboro with it.
They're just kind of stupid about the Knitting Lions, about
whatever the hell is going on inHappy Valley.
And the reason that they are stupid about this is, Kate,
every time Penn State has playedOhio State or Michigan over the
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past four years, they have lost.They are only 7 against Ohio
State and Michigan. That would be, you know, good
reason to say they don't win theBig 10 championship.
But they made the Big 10 championship game last year and
they played Oregon. Do you know what happened when
they played Oregon in the Big 10Championship game last year?
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They lost. They lost.
They lost to the number one ranked team in the country.
I also been very loud about thisvery, this very, very real fact
since James Franklin has become the head coach at Penn State
some decade ago. Now, Penn State is 1 in 15
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against top five opponents. That means that if you were
playing Penn State and you have a 5A4A3 or two or A1 next to
your name, you probably beat them.
You're 15 and one against them. That means that they cannot beat
a team that is capable of winning the national
championship. So if you can't beat a team that
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is capable of winning the national championship, how the
hell am I going to say you get to play for a national
championship? And to further prove this point,
Kate Pence, they played Notre Dame last year in the semi
finals of the College Football Playoff.
Do you know what happened? They lost.
They lost, and more importantly,the teams they beat up along the
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way are garbage. To use that French term, they
beat up on Southern Methodist and Boise State to get to the
College Football Playoff semi friggin final.
I'm not. I'm not ashamed to tell you
Boise State Southern Methodists are nice to haves, right?
It's like if, if we're using high school football in
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Oklahoma, if Caddo showed up in a semi final against Bixby,
you'd be good for you. Caddo, you're about to get the
crap kicked out of you because that's what would happen, right?
If if Jay showed up in a semi final against Owosso, Jay, good
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job for you. You're about to get the crack
kicked out of here. That's what Penn State was
doing. 2 directional Methodist University and Boise.
It's not a State University. And then they played a real
football team and they were in it.
They were in this game. They had an opportunity to win
it. And you know what, how they lost
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it. Their quarterback Drew Aller
through an interception to end the football game.
It is another quarterback that Icannot trust to win a big game.
So all those things come together that when I did my, I
ranked all 136 teams, Kate, I put Penn State at 7.
And the reason I put them at seven behind teams like Clemson,
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Georgia and Notre Dame is precisely that one.
So the idea that you believe that Penn State going to play
against Clemson means Clemson's going to win another national
championship. Now, the Clemson take is
actually really, really smart, and I'll tell you why.
But from the first, can I just say I love how furious this is,
Major. Oh my God.
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You, you, she, she, I'm, I'm not, I'm not joking, guys.
She, she lied. She's going Penn State.
It's just, it's just delightful how much you care.
What that means, I mean, frankly, that's, that's why I
got this job. It's, it's, it's, there's no
freaking way. There's no freaking way but.
But yes, like, tell me why Clemson is actually yeah.
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So they have a Heisman caliber quarterback in Cade Club Nick
who put up numbers that were notdissimilar to Baker Mayfield's
when he won the Heisman Trophy, right.
They're outstanding defensively and Dabo Sweeney, that's his
real name. We can get into that later.
That's. Not a real name.
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No, it's it's, it's his name. And he got that name because
that boy was not something that his brother could say.
Dabo was something that his brother could say.
But his story is also like wild,like he is the.
I mean, we're going to get political for just a second
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here. When conservatives think about
bootstraps, they think about Dabo Sweeney.
OK, The reason is Dabo got it out the mud.
And because he got it out the mud, he doesn't understand why
anybody else can't get it out the mud.
We can't really talk about whiteprivilege around Dabo Sweeney
because he doesn't understand this man shared a dorm room and
a bed with his Mama at Alabama. He came up real poor, and he was
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planning to go sell cars or do something else when Gene Stalin
said, hey, come be a graduate assistant for me.
You walk on wide receiver and heturned that into being a coach.
He got to Clemson, which is nothing and nobody before he
gets there. They won one national
championship in 1981. Other one.
Other than that, they just another team.
They're another program. We don't really think about
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them. So in 2011, the head coach,
Terry Bowden, son of Bobby Bowden, got fired and they made
Dabo Sweeney the interim head coach.
And the thing he said to his wife when he got home is we got
fired today. And he was not wrong because
usually interim head coach, he doesn't get to stay.
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You're going to you're going to let that guy go to get through
the season and then you're goingto go hire who you want.
But he put together such a good team as the wide receiver coach
going to head coach that they said, we're going to give you a
shot. So now he gets to be one of the
handful of men who has never once been an offensive
coordinator or a defensive coordinator who became a head
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coach in a major college football team.
And then he turned that major college football team, which
once again is nothing and nobody.
I want to say there's something like 20,000 people that live in
Clemson, SC. That's not counting like the
university. He turned that team into one
that can win a national championship against the likes
of Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State, Oregon, what have you.
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And because he's been able to dothat, Clemson is on the board
every single year. Like last year, we didn't think
they were going to make the College Football Playoff because
all Miami had to do was beat Syracuse.
And we thought that was a shoo in.
Well, Miami did what Miami has done over to Mario Cristobal and
they absolutely took AW and turned it into an L.
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And Syracuse is, well, Syracuse.Clemson, right before Clemson
was winning national championships, that meant that
Clemson got to play in the ACC championship game against
Southern Methodists. And what did they do?
They beat Southern Methodist, which is the only way they could
get into the College Football Playoff.
So what, since we've invented the College Football Playoff,
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that team, that program has found a way to get into it.
And then when they get to play against dudes that we think are
going to beat them, whether it'sAlabama or Georgia or Ohio State
or whomever, they're able to go get, AW, they're able to go get
a win. So that's why that's not a wild
pick and frankly, a really smartone given recent history.
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Is that too much? Is that a lot?
No. OK, I'd be talking.
So sometimes you're going to have to tell me to shut up.
By the way, she's family. She's only one in like 1 of like
5 people. That gets me to tell me to shut
up. The rest of y'all can't do that.
I'll just talk over you. I also wanted to talk about the
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game on Saturday being in Ireland.
Iowa State, Kansas State Farmageddon.
Yes, yes, Farmageddon, Yeah. I guess my question in general
is like, is a large crowd expected for that in Dublin?
Yes, yes it is. So this is not a new thing,
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right? So last year, Florida State and
Georgia Tech played in Dublin, Ireland, and that turned out to
be a really big deal because Georgia Tech beat a then ranked
#10 Florida State. And to show you S, sometimes we
can be wildly wrong about our rankings.
Florida State last year, 2 and 10, they were not they were not
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just not good, they were garbage.
They were not great at all. Everybody seemed to beat them
down, right. And Georgia Tech won seven
games. But you know, two of those are
against top ten teams. I think point is going to
Ireland is not necessarily out of the question.
And you know, I think Nebraska and Northwestern did this a few
years ago too. It's just become a thing that
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people do. I believe the it's called the
Aer Lingus Classic. What it is Classic used to be a
thing that was just for HBC US because that's what we used to
call them when non conference games are played.
So like the Orange Blossom Classic, for instance, the Bayou
Classic, now you know PWIS are using those.
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For those of not used to the nomenclature, predominantly
white institutions like HBC US are historically black college
or universities. So it's in Dublin, Ireland and
the Irish show up and they treatit.
I don't know, probably like we treat soccer.
It's like, oh cool, it's not Ronaldo playing, but I'll watch,
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you know, I'll go take this in. And it gives us an opportunity
to say that we are an international sport.
Last year it was what was Joe Tessitur and I forget Jesse's
last name just off the top of myhead now, but he he came off the
Bachelor. He does a great job.
He played quarterback in Florida.
They had a beer on air, they hada Guinness on air.
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It's pretty cool. At the time, I was like, well,
we're doing this and like, yes, dude, we're adults now.
We can do this. So you're going to have Kansas
State and Iowa State play their traditional rivalry, which has
been going on longer than any other FBS rivalry in college
football. I think it's like 109 years now
that they played each other. But this is interesting because
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Kansas State and Iowa State havenever really been ranked in the
top 25, except for recently moreKansas State the last 25 years
than Iowa State. But Iowa State's got to be
really good over the last few years when Matt Campbell as
their head coach. So both of those teams are
ranked in the top 25, which makes it really cool because
it's a top 25 matchup, means national audience is going to be
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involved. And they've got a fringe Heisman
candidate and Avery Johnson, a quarterback.
They got a French Heisman candidate and Rocco Beck
quarterback, Iowa State and their Big 12 teams, which for us
that live in Oklahoma, that's that means something, right?
Because Oklahoma State's over here and Oklahoma State's going
to, I think I have to play both of those things this year.
And either one of those teams can make the College Football
Playoff because it's 12 teams. But I think it's more fun
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because they call it Farmageddonbecause, well, what else is
there to do in Iowa or Kansas other than farm stuff?
Did you know there's also like amovie that's called Farmageddon?
I did not. So I did this on the on the way
up. So Farmageddon.
Excuse me. A Shawn.
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A Shawn the Sheep movie. A Shawn.
Yeah. A Shawn the Sheep Movie
Farmageddon. Oh, is it like a kids movie?
Yeah, 2019 spot motion sci-fi comedy.
Gotcha. OK.
So maybe that's a movie night thing, I don't know.
I for some, for some reason, when you were, you said it was a
movie. I was imagining it was like an
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animal farm RIP off somehow. Like the animals rise up and
it's Armageddon for humans. I would not.
Being that it's in space, that'sentirely possible. 96 percentile
Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, which is a wild number.
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It's interesting that, you know,you use the term earlier
international sport, you know, because it's not like our
college leagues are playing, youknow, like an actual Irish
American football team. Like it, it kind of reminds me a
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little bit of like when, you know, there used to be like Wild
West shows, you know, like, you know, like, oh, here's like
American culture and it's just kind of a similar thing in my
mind. It's like, hey, here's two of
our teams. So witness our thing.
Like, I don't know, just kind of.
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When you were over there, if someone says we're going to
watch an American College football team play in Scotland,
what's your response? Actually, I probably would have
said yes. OK.
Because then it would be like, oh, I'm watching an American
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football game in Scotland. Won't ever get to do this again.
And I think that's how they theytend to see it like it's, it's
become an annual thing, but onlyhere recently.
I don't know how they're going to, how long they're going to
keep doing it. I don't know, It's like it's the
same thing as like the Wild Westshows is like, you know, let's
let's go and watch like, you know, Cowboys and Indians, the
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whole thing. What it's true?
I I it it is. But it also is how the rest of
the world thinks of all of America.
Exactly. Like that's, you know,
completely selling the American culture.
It's even, it's even, it's even Farmageddon, right?
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Oh my God. I'm just saying.
It's one of the it's one of the more underrated rivalry games
and all the college football because it just hasn't mattered.
You know, like Ohio State, Texas, excuse me, Ohio State,
Texas, Ohio State, Michigan might be for the national
championship years ago. OU, Texas might be for the
national championship. OU Nebraska might be for the
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national championship. Florida, Georgia, Texas, Texas
A&M. Matter of fact, you and I would
have such fun at a Texas, Texas A&M game because they hate each
other and we love to watch people hate each other play each
other. Well, we we would have to arrive
and, you know, have opposing team T-shirts.
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Well, see, that's more. That's only, I don't know where
that's going to be fun for either one of us because I don't
like Texas or Texas A&M. People like I always say, it
ain't Texas and it ain't Texas A&M.
It's you. They're just the ground we're
fighting on. It's you.
I don't like like Texas Hill Country and oil money that flows
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out of A&M. This is.
Kate, I'm just saying maybe we could, maybe we could instigate
a riot of some sort, you know, like.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Kate, Kate, Kate, you are, you are a very cool white woman.
I am a I'm a black man walking down into a Texas Hill Country
and I don't need to be instigating a damn thing.
I don't. No, that's not that's not going
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to end well for me. But I could take you to the
Bayou Classic and you're going to have a great time.
You are going to have a great time.
Me, I'm just going to be that dude that's walking around
looking like the other dudes. You know what I'm saying?
I, I, I can have a whole other conversation about this because
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actually it did come up. So Travis Kelsey is dating
Taylor Swift. What?
I hadn't heard that. Well, well, well.
I, I, I I I I before, before we get to the jokes on that, before
we get to jokes on that. Sorry, have you seen that was
Kelsey's previous girlfriend? I think so.
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Do you? Can you describe her?
Honestly what comes to mind is like brown hair and like way
shorter than him. Negative.
So Google it. Google it.
Right quick. I'll wait.
They'll wait too. They're fine.
No, no, no. I need.
I need your reaction. I wish, I wish I could see your
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face for this one, but I need your reaction soon as you see
it. For those of y'all that are used
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to Bo Monte Show, this ain't that show.
I ain't playing no friggin elevator music.
I'm not. I'm not that pretentious about
this. We're not doing that.
Is her name Kayla Nicole? Uh huh, what she look like?
I mean, she looks really, reallybeautiful.
OK, all right, all right. Say, say the quiet part out
loud. Kate, does she look like me?
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No. OK, then that's the wrong lady.
And that's the that's the wrong lady.
That's the wrong lady because his previous girlfriend is
black, black and shall I say voluptuous.
OK, then Travis Kelce went and got Taylor Swift, skinny white
lady. But we don't talk about that
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part. I'm saying we take you down to
the Bayou Classic. It's going to be a bunch of
people that look like me, right?I'm not saying that can't nobody
show up. In fact, if you show up,
probably give you some catfish for free.
I'm going to have to pay $5 for that plate.
But they're happy to see you, Sam.
They they, you know, Hey, hey, it's good that you are here.
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We enjoy. Are you OK?
Do you feel, do you feel involved?
Do you feel as if we are inviting get out of here but at
Texas text A and MI? Don't think so.
I'm not instigating a damn thing.
Matter of fact, when I try to instigate something in
Stillwater, some of y'all are old enough to remember this on
the channel. I think I talked about this with
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you, Kate. Do you Remember Me handing out
the LS Stillwater when I was going to get the PhD?
OK, so it's a whole bunch of people that just don't know what
you're doing, which also kind of, it was wild to me that
school that's real big on football still has so many
people that just don't know or just don't care.
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I don't know how I still live ina country obsessed with football
where there are people who do not engage.
But because I asked you to talk with me here, you are very much
in the XS and OS in the histories, football and some of
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the things that you are uncovering tickle me.
Which leads me to we'll get to the place.
But I really want to discuss howa very good, in depth article on
Arch Man in Texas Monthly got under your skin.
You know, listen, some sometimesyou read about a person and they
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just annoy you for no real reason and just like.
Child annoys me. He just seems like a brat.
I don't know. I don't know.
OK. Can you point to an?
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Example he's. Probably a very lovely person.
What? OK, aside, can you point to one
example where you were like, I don't think I like this, Hey,
how's your body go? Back and read and.
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What is that? Something in my mouth?
I don't know what that is. I don't know why, but the
Christmas, like where it startedactually kind of annoyed me a
little bit. I think I missed this part.
Can you jog my memory? Because I got to tell you the
part that people exerted out of that is Archie Manning saying
he's not going to go to the NFL.And then earlier this week, Arch
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is like, I don't know where he got that from, but I got an I'm
sorry, text from from my grandpabecause I don't know, maybe I do
want to go to the NFL next year,which is the first time that it
actually sounded like, you know,my man was thinking for himself.
So I'm curious what the Christmas part of this was.
Oh, it was the very, very beginning.
It's like it's Christmas at the Manning House.
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And I was just like, why is this?
Why is SC Gwen there? I don't know, it's just so, so
weird. But anyway, and it just like has
the whole thing describing like who Arch Manning is and stuff.
I don't know, it just annoyed me.
It's. I can't.
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It's very hard not to be annoyedby the Mannings like.
So you think it's like a generalvibe with them as opposed to
like this kid annoys me or? I, I think, I think if you're
going to draw up the, the, the perfect football family, you're
probably drawing them up becausenone of those dudes have really
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been in trouble. All of those dudes come out
looking really positive and their image feels very much
controlled but not contrived, but you kind of want it to be.
So there was this famous ESPN commercial back when they said
the the the ad campaign was thisis Sports Center is very good.
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I wish we could do something like it's very cool.
But it was the Mannings were being LED around through ESP NS
campus and shown like on a tour and Eli and Peyton were acting
like two children behind that are picking on each other and
they're kicking each other and punching each other.
And then Archie turns around andbasically gave him the eye like,
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keep this up. I'm going to smack you.
And that was the commercial right?
Then you got Arch come online and Arch, who is the grandson of
Archie and the son of Cooper, who needed to quit playing
football because he got a medical diagnosis, made that
impossible, but also played widereceiver like the other two,
play quarterback. Of course, Arch wants to grow up
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to be a quarterback and go to Texas, which feels wild.
But you grow up in New Orleans and everything is gone, as it
should for him. Like there's nothing about his
upbringing or raising that feelsthe least bit confrontational.
And I'm curious, especially going into this year, what
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confrontation and what real adversity is going to find him
because this dude is really lived a charmed existence all
the way up to I'm the starting quarterback on the number one
team in the country. And I haven't done a damn thing.
And he's been quick to say that,which makes it really difficult
to also dislike him. But I'm annoyed that many people
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don't point that out. And I think you're picking up on
that vibe. You pick it up on the vibe of
what actually have you done and have you ever really had so much
as a hangnail? And I'm sure he has, but we
don't hear that part. So if there's a gritty part to
Arch Manning, if there's like a a rough edge to him, we haven't
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seen it. And I don't know that we will
because he's got an awestrucks attitude about stuff.
And it's the kind of dude that loses his student ID and people
make jokes about it, doesn't saymuch.
And he doesn't crave attention, doesn't crave money, doesn't
even crave playing time. He just kind of wants to go
about life. I think there are a lot of us
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that look at life as a thing that we are constantly
challenged by and beaten up by, and he doesn't have that.
So to see someone who has not been through that and to see
someone who is more or less beengiven every opportunity, if not
given everything, right? I'm sure he's made to earn
things, but given every opportunity and then capitalized
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on it. Yeah, that that's annoying.
That's irritating. I find that in my own life,
right, like you, you know enoughabout me to go RJS up and RJS
down. There are things that you know
about me that nobody else will. I think we're going to learn a
lot about this dude. And I think I mentioned this
when you were saying I don't. I don't really.
I don't think I like him, but ina way that what's he done yet?
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Nothing. Maybe he's going to give you an
opportunity to like him. I don't know.
I don't know what the he would have to do because Kate is not
an easy person to get over on. You know, like it's not it's not
going to be John Cena turning toheel.
Like that's not what it's going to be.
But you also are from the state of Oklahoma.
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And I also think there's something to that.
You you, you have mentioned my favorite wrestling thing to
occur in like the last like 50 years.
This is like just like John Cenaand The Rock just seems like
like. I swear to God I wish the rock
would just be heal in his everyday life.
I. I don't I you're, you're never a
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face. You are not a Dwayne, Dwayne,
this is, this is me, RJ the wrestling fan.
You ain't a face. I don't like Rocky Maevia.
None of us like Rocky Maevia. We don't think that dude is
worth a damn. We don't want you to be
president. We want you to smell what The
Rock is cooking and do the eyebrow thing.
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You know what I'm saying? Be loud about it.
But I didn't know John Cena could.
I know John Cena had that in him.
Like he's an actor. Man.
But I'm with you, I said. Oh my God, I didn't.
I didn't order this but yes. Yeah, no, I'm here for it.
It's like, you know? He's over here like I got.
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Rest. You know.
It's really, I really need to get one of like, this is going
to sound so stupid. I'm sorry.
I'm talking about wrestling on the football show.
We, we one. 100% crossover. It's a it's a Venn diagram.
That's a perfect circle. There's like this new
promotional T-shirt of like, John Cena as the heel that I
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adore and I desperately need to get it.
What's it say? It it doesn't really say
anything. It's just like like one of the
poses. But what's with the the outfit
from the? So this is this is also the
Super chill part of adapt and respond.
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Oh my God, last real champion. Like in a sport that has more
champions than Oh my God get outof here I love this.
Isn't it amazing? The last time is now what?
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What is this? I would wear this.
Wear this you should. We should get some I.
Would wear this sold? What is this not even a word?
John Cena's ex. OK, all right, we are.
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We're absolutely doing work withthese.
Yes, yes, we're doing work. With these, OK, I got it now.
I I thought when he said ruthless aggression that that
was a heel moment, but it wasn'tright.
It turned out to be a face moment and he played the hell
out of that. Might argue Cody Rose is
probably looking at John Cena going damn, I thought I was good
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and then I saw that I'm I'm I'm an outstanding hill.
I'm an outstanding hill. If am I deemed I understand that
list always gets me dog like that that list that Cody got.
I really wanted Cody to be the American dream and not the
American nightmare, but that's that's because destiny owes me
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something different to me. A lot of people out here don't
even know what mid South wrestling is or Jim Ross for
that matter. But is this the shirt that you
were thinking about which Cena fouled out?
There's another great one, the the last real champion, cuz the
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last T-shirt that I bought that was WWE related, actually, it
was a Roman Reigns T-shirt. And it just yelled acknowledged
me, which I really, really love as a challenger.
And you know, my my entire get down is I'm a challenger
everywhere I go. So when I get my man on that
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microphone going, acknowledge me, fall out, I'm dead ass.
OK, running up on time, but I didn't want to, Yeah.
Go, go back to the police. I'm really curious.
I'm sorry. I'm really, really curious.
About the same thing. Which part is that?
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Like, is it all right? So do you want me to help you
understand how the evolution andcreation of plays has evolved
over time? Kind of.
Well, I am just curious like I don't know like what's like the
oldest play still in use and what's like the newest?
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Play God's play God's play. And I, well, I'm probably no,
I'm, I'm overdoing it. It's ISO, So football 11 aside,
right, You got to have 5 on the line of scrimmage at all times.
Center, 2 guards, 2 tackles. So before we started throwing
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the football, what we would do is run the football and you
design plays that would attack one part of the defense.
Usually you got two kinds of plays you have, we are going to
block the people in front of us and we're going to try to let
this running back get to the second level and be talented,
right? Once you get to the linebackers,
it's up to him to make people miss, is what we would say.
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And then we came up with plays like trap, which is to say we
would have a guard or tackle depending on what kind of play
you're running, pull to go and trap.
A defensive tackle thought he was going to be able to or
defensive end. The thought he was going to
enter a gap that he couldn't andthe running back would run off
that dude's back hip. After that you get things like
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power power, meaning we're goingto pull our guards to one side.
So if you've got 2 guards on theother side, say the mic is the
center, 2 guards on either side,snap the ball.
These guys pull out, do this andthen you got your running back
that's following behind them. Call that God's play because
it's pretty unstoppable when yourun it right and it looks
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really, really cool on film. Oklahoma actually ran a counter
kind of play with this and they did a lot of things off of it.
The other thing that plays like that do is you create variations
off of it. So if people get used to you
running counter, but you can runa play Action Pass, which is a
boot. So you'll have the running back
running behind that. Those scars, you will play
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action, right? You'll fake the handoff if
you're the quarterback, and thenyou'll roll out the other way
and you'll have either the tightend or the wide receiver pulling
across and they might be open, they might be wide open, they
might get one-on-one. The point is, in all things
football, get your most talentedplayer, the football, as often
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as you can. So if your most talented player
is your tailback, you run the ball a lot.
If your most talented player is a wide receiver, you throw the
ball to him a lot. If your most talented player is
your quarterback, you do a lot of different things, and most of
them are built around what he does well.
If that's throw the football or run with the football, you do
that. And in high school, where you
don't have a lot of time to practice and you don't have a
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lot of skilled labor, you rely on some very basic fundamental
plays. So like Wishbone is still run in
Davis. That's been an obsolete
formation basically since the 1980s when Oklahoma and Texas
made it famous. But because Davis, Oklahoma is
so good at teaching it, teachingthe fundamentals of where you
step and how you step, that's all they run.
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And then nobody else sees it. So it's really difficult for you
to defend. This is what service academies
also do. Service academies run triple
options like that because they can't have the beef upfront
because they got weight limits. So you got 260 LB offensive
lineman when everybody else has got 310 three, 2330.
So what do you do against defensive lineman?
Would that outweigh you? Well, you got to be quicker and
more agile. How are you quicker and more
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agile? You get out and run.
So when you run the option or you run the veer, what you're
relying on is offensive lineman that can take a quick step out
here and get out in front and basically create a force field
so that the quarterback can readwho's coming after him and
either pitch the ball to the running back or make another
zone move. So you got 2 athletes.
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Sorry, you were going to ask a question.
Yes, I'm so sorry. Just a brief, brief question and
it might be a stupid question. No, nothing like that.
And in high school, are the weights of all the players like
available to everyone like all other teams?
Yes and no. So your weight is listed in the
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program, but we don't really rely on it.
Like we know if your dude is big, we, we just, we do, we
watch film like everybody else. And you usually know who's
talented because you know, good news travels fast.
So you always know who has an offer to go play football here
or there. But usually the way that the
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weights are listed, not even thehigh schools themselves really
got a handle on it. So I'll give you an example.
When I was playing at Memorial, all our weights were in
integrals of five SO1516517520520520185 and at
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that level it kind of matters. Like when you plan that Jinx
Bixby places that win state championships kind of matters.
But I remember our guards at Memorial, no more than 185.
But we ran a lot of power and weran a lot of option, which meant
we were not asking our guards toblack up in front and use their
strength. We were asking our guards to get
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out in front right and basicallykeep people away from the
tailback or away from the insidereceivers for as long as they
possibly could. This is where the air raid
becomes more dominant. My favorite offensive scheme
because the air raid was createdby how mummy to say, hey, look,
I don't have big fast players. What do I have?
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I have a bunch of dudes that want to play football, So what
do I do with dudes that want to play football?
You recruit offensive lineman and you say to them, hey, you
come here, there's only two things you got to do, eat and
jump rope. Why do I have to jump rope?
Because you got to be nimble enough to stay in front of
somebody for two seconds. He didn't say block them, He
said stay in front of them for two seconds.
The Air Raid is a quick passing offense, so the quarterback
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knows where he's going with the football.
Most of the time before the playhappens.
Your job is to just get it out, get it to your best player as
quickly as you can. If they have that best player
covered, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and that's the way the offense was
built. So you're 1234 all the way
through. You knew where your levels were,
and then you try to run up tempoto try to take away whatever
wind or whatever shape might be in that bigger, stronger team.
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Mike Leach ran the Air Raid at Texas Tech, which made it really
famous, but the principles were the same.
I've got a good quarterback in Graham here.
I've got the best wide receiver in the country and my Crabtree.
So what we're going to do is runan offense that basically gives
him as much one-on-one as we can.
And they did that and they were able to beat like a #2 Texas in
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a big game. 2009 for that. But my favorite example of this
is actually at Oklahoma State when Dana Hulgerson was the
offense coordinator. So Dana Hulgerson brought in the
diamond formation. Diamond formation was 5
offensive lineman and then quarterback, tailback, tailback,
tailback and a diamond and then two wide receivers outside.
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OK people thought that he was putting in a formation that
would make it easier to run the football because you're loading
the box. The box being those five
offensive lineman, create a box right forward backwards.
But what he was doing was createa one-on-one opportunities for
Justin Blackman who was their best wide receiver.
So people knew that. Justin Blackman, who's from
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Ardmore, by the way. Was an unguardable wide
receiver. So what do you do?
You don't say we're going to come out here and throw the
ball. You say no, no, no, no, please
come inside. It's nice here.
Have a seat inside of our littlebox.
Don't worry about Justin Blackman against your
cornerback. He's just going to win every
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friggin opportunity. And by the time you figure that
out and you're rolling a safety over the top, you've got this
whole left side of the field free where you can run the
football. So then you run the football and
it's like, damn, now we got to get out of that and we got to
cover the run. So then you put the defense into
an impossible position. Either way, I'm going to beat
you. It's whatever you want to give
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me. And that's what when you hear
people say take what the offensegive or what the defense gives
you. That's it.
So as a quarterback, me, I'm going to read, I'm going to say
high, low. I'm going to say you got 2
safeties higher. We got open, close, cool.
And if you rotate to open or yourotate to close, that's on me.
And that's on the side adjustments.
That's football. That's it.
Every opportunity to create a play is an opportunity to try to
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beat the defense. So yeah, we got Felipe Figure to
fly and we have like Sooner Special, which is where we got
like quarterback throwbacks and stuff.
But if you look at football as ameans of saying, OK, who's the
weakest link on whomever's team attacked that, then it becomes
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simple. So like, when you watch Kansas
State, Iowa State this weekend, you might see a variation of the
same sort of play over and over again because they isolated,
hey, that dude over there, he sucks.
So we're going to beat the shit out of him.
Damn it, I did it again. I'm I'm sorry, I.
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Only touched on the podcast whenKate's here because I'm so
comfortable with family. Anyway, that's what happened,
you say or coming back to the huddle.
This is always cool. You have an offensive lineman
going, hey, hey, that dude don'twant it.
Can we come this way? Hell yeah, we come that way.
Work him, work him over, beat him up.
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And that's that's football. It is like offensive lineman who
don't have stats. Why do you do this?
Because I get to move another man from point A to point B
against his will. And that psychologically plays
on you. So by the middle of the third
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quarter, the fourth quarter, youjust don't want to get beat up
like this anymore because there's nothing you could do.
Like perhaps you heard me and Ron say this, but like, you have
a coach that comes up to you andhe goes, son, why are you
letting him do that to you? And you go, coach, I'm not
letting him do a damn thing. I'm not letting him do anything.
He's just doing it. There's nothing I can do about
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it. It's going to happen.
That's football, right? That's where the aggression
comes from. That's where you hear people
talking the way we do about it. It's why I tend to say, yeah,
I'm probably smaller than you are and I'm shorter than you
are, but you're welcome to try me.
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Many people don't, right? It's that that's football.
One O 1. It's I'm going to move you
against your will. Can you stop me?
Or it goes the other way? I'm going to just pummel you.
So when we talk about a fistfight, that's what it is,
right? So when you come off the ball,
you're trying to put your hands on someone and they're trying to
prevent you slapping down your hands and then moving around you
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or throwing you to one side. And when it comes to tackling,
quite literally, we're trying tohit you and we're trying to
bring you to the ground. All these things go into how we
design plays. And that's before we get into
defense, right? Defense Kate, I can't wait to
see when you find out. You know, like the grid splits.
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Y'all would never know this, butKate is 1/2 of my favorite
safety combo because Kate has every bit of Steve Atwater
running through her veins. Y'all would never know this
because you've never seen Kate. But they've been looking at
things like, yeah, I bet I can whoop her ass.
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I bet I can. And you've ever seen Steve that
one? Or get somebody?
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
OK, You know exactly. What I'm talking?
About now, I really want to. As you get to plays that you
think are cooler, formations youthink are cool, send them to me.
But but I do want to ask a question about the game though.
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Who do you think? Who do you think are the weakest
players at Kansas and Iowa? Kansas State, Iowa State is
going to be the same answer for everybody.
The most inexperienced dudes on the field every single time.
That's for everybody across the board.
Like especially in these first weeks, you're going to see games
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decided by who makes the fewest mistakes, which is a horrible
way to try to do anything right,Try to play mistake free.
But that's what it is. It's going to be what
inexperienced person do you haveto put on the football field and
can I identify him? And after I identify him, what
does he do? That's all we say.
It's not X's and O's. It's Jimmy's and Joe's, right?
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It's my jimmies are better than your Joe's.
I don't give a damn what formation or what player you're
calling or my favorite was. Players make plays.
Players make plays. Playing makers, right?
Doesn't matter what the play is,if I've got a better player than
you. So we'll find out, right?
And that's why we always talk about who the better players
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are, because we, we got evidence, right?
We've got empirical data to showAvery Johnson's a dude.
Rocco Beck's a dude. I'm very curious to find out
about guys like Xavier Townsend at Iowa State, for instance,
because Iowa State had two greatwide receivers last year.
Both of those guys got drafted, I believe, in the second round,
both of them, which wild becausethat program was not renowned
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for producing great wide receivers until recently, like
Xavier Hutchinson also comes to mind.
So now they got a couple unproven prospects out there
that they really need to play well.
And if they don't, well, it could be hard.
But they've also got a couple tailbacks that are very proven.
If Kansas State can't stop the run, that's a problem again, Now
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we're playing football, now we're playing football.
And then if you're going to findout what dudes can do in the
first half and you're going to make adjustments in the
second-half, come out. We'll see if they work.
This my convoluted, somehow dodgy answer.
Gotcha. I also do not like to put dudes
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on Front Street that haven't played.
That's just me. I think it's bad form to say
this dude sucks if I haven't actually seen him play.
Well, we're haven't seen him play at all.
But if they do suck, I'll tell you.
Like I will rage if Taylor Tatumput the ball on the ground again
for Oklahoma. Boys got stone hands.
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Can't hold on football, That's asin.
You fumble the football is a sin.
You know there aren't there aren't 10 commandments.
There are 11. Thou shalt not fumble the
football. It's just what it is.
Kate was kind enough to do this with me at an hour.
That is ridiculous and I love her so much for that.
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If you like having Kate on the show, please tell us in the
comments below. If you like the podcast, please
tell us in the comments on Spotify and reach out to me on
the socials, on the Instagrams, on the Tik Toks I'd be uploading
over there. Also, find me a date, damn it.
Good God Kate, this came up What?
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I'm thitter now than I've ever been and I really had to dig
into why I'm on a bike and I do this for a living.
I need another hobby. That's what I'm saying, I need
another hobby. OK we will see y'all.
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On the flip side, this. Bye bye.
How good is the start? It's a good start.
It's a great start. It's the first win.
And why do we play if you play to win the game?
And what do we want? I want winners.
I'm not bipartisan. I'm not bipolar.
I'm not by DID, I'm by winning. I went here and I went there.
What's up, Ken folk? It's RJ Young.
I am not on a step mill. If this is your first time
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I don't really do that because Idon't need to do that.
But that's because I make this show.
So I really wanted to do this episode with Kate because, well,
Kate has discovered some things about the footballs and we need
to we really need to talk about them.
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She's going to ask me some questions, but I'm going to
start with one bigger question. Kate, who's going to win the
national championship? Or more importantly, who's going
to play in the national championship game?
Clemson. OK, all right.
Who they going to play? Penn State and now RJ explained
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to me why that's impossible. OK, all right, for those of
y'all that don't know, Kate's, Kate's family, OK, and, and, and
my family could could really, really give mostly a damn about
this sport. They they like me, right?
And that's, that's something else.
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But that is to say, she probablyhas not heard me rail against
the very idea a Penn State as even a top five program.
Then why are they ranked in the top 10?
Because they are the rest of thebecause the 62 coaches are
stupid about Penn State. And because the AP voters who
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ranked them at #2 are stupid about Penn State.
And I'll tell you why they're stupid about Penn State.
I don't know what kool-aid they are drinking, but they're
certainly not going toward Jonesboro with it.
They're just kind of stupid about the Knitting Lions, about
whatever the hell is going on inHappy Valley.
And the reason that they are stupid about this is, Kate,
every time Penn State has playedOhio State or Michigan over the
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past four years, they have lost.They are only 7 against Ohio
State and Michigan. That would be, you know, good
reason to say they don't win theBig 10 championship.
But they made the Big 10 championship game last year and
they played Oregon. Do you know what happened when
they played Oregon in the Big 10Championship game last year?
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They lost. They lost.
They lost to the number one ranked team in the country.
I also been very loud about thisvery, this very, very real fact
since James Franklin has become the head coach at Penn State
some decade ago. Now, Penn State is 1 in 15
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against top five opponents. That means that if you were
playing Penn State and you have a 5A4A3 or two or A1 next to
your name, you probably beat them.
You're 15 and one against them. That means that they cannot beat
a team that is capable of winning the national
championship. So if you can't beat a team that
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is capable of winning the national championship, how the
hell am I going to say you get to play for a national
championship? And to further prove this point,
Kate Pence, they played Notre Dame last year in the semi
finals of the College Football Playoff.
Do you know what happened? They lost.
They lost, and more importantly,the teams they beat up along the
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way are garbage. To use that French term, they
beat up on Southern Methodist and Boise State to get to the
College Football Playoff semi friggin final.
I'm not. I'm not ashamed to tell you
Boise State Southern Methodists are nice to haves, right?
It's like if, if we're using high school football in
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Oklahoma, if Caddo showed up in a semi final against Bixby,
you'd be good for you. Caddo, you're about to get the
crap kicked out of you because that's what would happen, right?
If if Jay showed up in a semi final against Owosso, Jay, good
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job for you. You're about to get the crack
kicked out of here. That's what Penn State was
doing. 2 directional Methodist University and Boise.
It's not a State University. And then they played a real
football team and they were in it.
They were in this game. They had an opportunity to win
it. And you know what, how they lost
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it. Their quarterback Drew Aller
through an interception to end the football game.
It is another quarterback that Icannot trust to win a big game.
So all those things come together that when I did my, I
ranked all 136 teams, Kate, I put Penn State at 7.
And the reason I put them at seven behind teams like Clemson,
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Georgia and Notre Dame is precisely that one.
So the idea that you believe that Penn State going to play
against Clemson means Clemson's going to win another national
championship. Now, the Clemson take is
actually really, really smart, and I'll tell you why.
But from the first, can I just say I love how furious this is,
Major. Oh my God.
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You, you, she, she, I'm, I'm not, I'm not joking, guys.
She, she lied. She's going Penn State.
It's just, it's just delightful how much you care.
What that means, I mean, frankly, that's, that's why I
got this job. It's, it's, it's, there's no
freaking way. There's no freaking way but.
But yes, like, tell me why Clemson is actually yeah.
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So they have a Heisman caliber quarterback in Cade Club Nick
who put up numbers that were notdissimilar to Baker Mayfield's
when he won the Heisman Trophy, right.
They're outstanding defensively and Dabo Sweeney, that's his
real name. We can get into that later.
That's. Not a real name.
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No, it's it's, it's his name. And he got that name because
that boy was not something that his brother could say.
Dabo was something that his brother could say.
But his story is also like wild,like he is the.
I mean, we're going to get political for just a second
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here. When conservatives think about
bootstraps, they think about Dabo Sweeney.
OK, The reason is Dabo got it out the mud.
And because he got it out the mud, he doesn't understand why
anybody else can't get it out the mud.
We can't really talk about whiteprivilege around Dabo Sweeney
because he doesn't understand this man shared a dorm room and
a bed with his Mama at Alabama. He came up real poor, and he was
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planning to go sell cars or do something else when Gene Stalin
said, hey, come be a graduate assistant for me.
You walk on wide receiver and heturned that into being a coach.
He got to Clemson, which is nothing and nobody before he
gets there. They won one national
championship in 1981. Other one.
Other than that, they just another team.
They're another program. We don't really think about
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them. So in 2011, the head coach,
Terry Bowden, son of Bobby Bowden, got fired and they made
Dabo Sweeney the interim head coach.
And the thing he said to his wife when he got home is we got
fired today. And he was not wrong because
usually interim head coach, he doesn't get to stay.
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You're going to you're going to let that guy go to get through
the season and then you're goingto go hire who you want.
But he put together such a good team as the wide receiver coach
going to head coach that they said, we're going to give you a
shot. So now he gets to be one of the
handful of men who has never once been an offensive
coordinator or a defensive coordinator who became a head
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coach in a major college football team.
And then he turned that major college football team, which
once again is nothing and nobody.
I want to say there's something like 20,000 people that live in
Clemson, SC. That's not counting like the
university. He turned that team into one
that can win a national championship against the likes
of Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State, Oregon, what have you.
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And because he's been able to dothat, Clemson is on the board
every single year. Like last year, we didn't think
they were going to make the College Football Playoff because
all Miami had to do was beat Syracuse.
And we thought that was a shoo in.
Well, Miami did what Miami has done over to Mario Cristobal and
they absolutely took AW and turned it into an L.
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And Syracuse is, well, Syracuse.Clemson, right before Clemson
was winning national championships, that meant that
Clemson got to play in the ACC championship game against
Southern Methodists. And what did they do?
They beat Southern Methodist, which is the only way they could
get into the College Football Playoff.
So what, since we've invented the College Football Playoff,
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that team, that program has found a way to get into it.
And then when they get to play against dudes that we think are
going to beat them, whether it'sAlabama or Georgia or Ohio State
or whomever, they're able to go get, AW, they're able to go get
a win. So that's why that's not a wild
pick and frankly, a really smartone given recent history.
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Is that too much? Is that a lot?
No. OK, I'd be talking.
So sometimes you're going to have to tell me to shut up.
By the way, she's family. She's only one in like 1 of like
5 people. That gets me to tell me to shut
up. The rest of y'all can't do that.
I'll just talk over you. I also wanted to talk about the
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game on Saturday being in Ireland.
Iowa State, Kansas State Farmageddon.
Yes, yes, Farmageddon, Yeah. I guess my question in general
is like, is a large crowd expected for that in Dublin?
Yes, yes it is. So this is not a new thing,
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right? So last year, Florida State and
Georgia Tech played in Dublin, Ireland, and that turned out to
be a really big deal because Georgia Tech beat a then ranked
#10 Florida State. And to show you S, sometimes we
can be wildly wrong about our rankings.
Florida State last year, 2 and 10, they were not they were not
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just not good, they were garbage.
They were not great at all. Everybody seemed to beat them
down, right. And Georgia Tech won seven
games. But you know, two of those are
against top ten teams. I think point is going to
Ireland is not necessarily out of the question.
And you know, I think Nebraska and Northwestern did this a few
years ago too. It's just become a thing that
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people do. I believe the it's called the
Aer Lingus Classic. What it is Classic used to be a
thing that was just for HBC US because that's what we used to
call them when non conference games are played.
So like the Orange Blossom Classic, for instance, the Bayou
Classic, now you know PWIS are using those.
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For those of not used to the nomenclature, predominantly
white institutions like HBC US are historically black college
or universities. So it's in Dublin, Ireland and
the Irish show up and they treatit.
I don't know, probably like we treat soccer.
It's like, oh cool, it's not Ronaldo playing, but I'll watch,
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you know, I'll go take this in. And it gives us an opportunity
to say that we are an international sport.
Last year it was what was Joe Tessitur and I forget Jesse's
last name just off the top of myhead now, but he he came off the
Bachelor. He does a great job.
He played quarterback in Florida.
They had a beer on air, they hada Guinness on air.
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It's pretty cool. At the time, I was like, well,
we're doing this and like, yes, dude, we're adults now.
We can do this. So you're going to have Kansas
State and Iowa State play their traditional rivalry, which has
been going on longer than any other FBS rivalry in college
football. I think it's like 109 years now
that they played each other. But this is interesting because
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Kansas State and Iowa State havenever really been ranked in the
top 25, except for recently moreKansas State the last 25 years
than Iowa State. But Iowa State's got to be
really good over the last few years when Matt Campbell as
their head coach. So both of those teams are
ranked in the top 25, which makes it really cool because
it's a top 25 matchup, means national audience is going to be
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involved. And they've got a fringe Heisman
candidate and Avery Johnson, a quarterback.
They got a French Heisman candidate and Rocco Beck
quarterback, Iowa State and their Big 12 teams, which for us
that live in Oklahoma, that's that means something, right?
Because Oklahoma State's over here and Oklahoma State's going
to, I think I have to play both of those things this year.
And either one of those teams can make the College Football
Playoff because it's 12 teams. But I think it's more fun
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because they call it Farmageddonbecause, well, what else is
there to do in Iowa or Kansas other than farm stuff?
Did you know there's also like amovie that's called Farmageddon?
I did not. So I did this on the on the way
up. So Farmageddon.
Excuse me. A Shawn.
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A Shawn the Sheep movie. A Shawn.
Yeah. A Shawn the Sheep Movie
Farmageddon. Oh, is it like a kids movie?
Yeah, 2019 spot motion sci-fi comedy.
Gotcha. OK.
So maybe that's a movie night thing, I don't know.
I for some, for some reason, when you were, you said it was a
movie. I was imagining it was like an
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animal farm RIP off somehow. Like the animals rise up and
it's Armageddon for humans. I would not.
Being that it's in space, that'sentirely possible. 96 percentile
Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, which is a wild number.
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It's interesting that, you know,you use the term earlier
international sport, you know, because it's not like our
college leagues are playing, youknow, like an actual Irish
American football team. Like it, it kind of reminds me a
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little bit of like when, you know, there used to be like Wild
West shows, you know, like, you know, like, oh, here's like
American culture and it's just kind of a similar thing in my
mind. It's like, hey, here's two of
our teams. So witness our thing.
Like, I don't know, just kind of.
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When you were over there, if someone says we're going to
watch an American College football team play in Scotland,
what's your response? Actually, I probably would have
said yes. OK.
Because then it would be like, oh, I'm watching an American
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football game in Scotland. Won't ever get to do this again.
And I think that's how they theytend to see it like it's, it's
become an annual thing, but onlyhere recently.
I don't know how they're going to, how long they're going to
keep doing it. I don't know, It's like it's the
same thing as like the Wild Westshows is like, you know, let's
let's go and watch like, you know, Cowboys and Indians, the
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whole thing. What it's true?
I I it it is. But it also is how the rest of
the world thinks of all of America.
Exactly. Like that's, you know,
completely selling the American culture.
It's even, it's even, it's even Farmageddon, right?
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Oh my God. I'm just saying.
It's one of the it's one of the more underrated rivalry games
and all the college football because it just hasn't mattered.
You know, like Ohio State, Texas, excuse me, Ohio State,
Texas, Ohio State, Michigan might be for the national
championship years ago. OU, Texas might be for the
national championship. OU Nebraska might be for the
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national championship. Florida, Georgia, Texas, Texas
A&M. Matter of fact, you and I would
have such fun at a Texas, Texas A&M game because they hate each
other and we love to watch people hate each other play each
other. Well, we we would have to arrive
and, you know, have opposing team T-shirts.
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Well, see, that's more. That's only, I don't know where
that's going to be fun for either one of us because I don't
like Texas or Texas A&M. People like I always say, it
ain't Texas and it ain't Texas A&M.
It's you. They're just the ground we're
fighting on. It's you.
I don't like like Texas Hill Country and oil money that flows
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out of A&M. This is.
Kate, I'm just saying maybe we could, maybe we could instigate
a riot of some sort, you know, like.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Kate, Kate, Kate, you are, you are a very cool white woman.
I am a I'm a black man walking down into a Texas Hill Country
and I don't need to be instigating a damn thing.
I don't. No, that's not that's not going
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to end well for me. But I could take you to the
Bayou Classic and you're going to have a great time.
You are going to have a great time.
Me, I'm just going to be that dude that's walking around
looking like the other dudes. You know what I'm saying?
I, I, I can have a whole other conversation about this because
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actually it did come up. So Travis Kelsey is dating
Taylor Swift. What?
I hadn't heard that. Well, well, well.
I, I, I I I I before, before we get to the jokes on that, before
we get to jokes on that. Sorry, have you seen that was
Kelsey's previous girlfriend? I think so.
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Do you? Can you describe her?
Honestly what comes to mind is like brown hair and like way
shorter than him. Negative.
So Google it. Google it.
Right quick. I'll wait.
They'll wait too. They're fine.
No, no, no. I need.
I need your reaction. I wish, I wish I could see your
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face for this one, but I need your reaction soon as you see
it. For those of y'all that are used
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to Bo Monte Show, this ain't that show.
I ain't playing no friggin elevator music.
I'm not. I'm not that pretentious about
this. We're not doing that.
Is her name Kayla Nicole? Uh huh, what she look like?
I mean, she looks really, reallybeautiful.
OK, all right, all right. Say, say the quiet part out
loud. Kate, does she look like me?
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No. OK, then that's the wrong lady.
And that's the that's the wrong lady.
That's the wrong lady because his previous girlfriend is
black, black and shall I say voluptuous.
OK, then Travis Kelce went and got Taylor Swift, skinny white
lady. But we don't talk about that
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part. I'm saying we take you down to
the Bayou Classic. It's going to be a bunch of
people that look like me, right?I'm not saying that can't nobody
show up. In fact, if you show up,
probably give you some catfish for free.
I'm going to have to pay $5 for that plate.
But they're happy to see you, Sam.
They they, you know, Hey, hey, it's good that you are here.
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We enjoy. Are you OK?
Do you feel, do you feel involved?
Do you feel as if we are inviting get out of here but at
Texas text A and MI? Don't think so.
I'm not instigating a damn thing.
Matter of fact, when I try to instigate something in
Stillwater, some of y'all are old enough to remember this on
the channel. I think I talked about this with
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you, Kate. Do you Remember Me handing out
the LS Stillwater when I was going to get the PhD?
OK, so it's a whole bunch of people that just don't know what
you're doing, which also kind of, it was wild to me that
school that's real big on football still has so many
people that just don't know or just don't care.
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I don't know how I still live ina country obsessed with football
where there are people who do not engage.
But because I asked you to talk with me here, you are very much
in the XS and OS in the histories, football and some of
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the things that you are uncovering tickle me.
Which leads me to we'll get to the place.
But I really want to discuss howa very good, in depth article on
Arch Man in Texas Monthly got under your skin.
You know, listen, some sometimesyou read about a person and they
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just annoy you for no real reason and just like.
Child annoys me. He just seems like a brat.
I don't know. I don't know.
OK. Can you point to an?
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Example he's. Probably a very lovely person.
What? OK, aside, can you point to one
example where you were like, I don't think I like this, Hey,
how's your body go? Back and read and.
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What is that? Something in my mouth?
I don't know what that is. I don't know why, but the
Christmas, like where it startedactually kind of annoyed me a
little bit. I think I missed this part.
Can you jog my memory? Because I got to tell you the
part that people exerted out of that is Archie Manning saying
he's not going to go to the NFL.And then earlier this week, Arch
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is like, I don't know where he got that from, but I got an I'm
sorry, text from from my grandpabecause I don't know, maybe I do
want to go to the NFL next year,which is the first time that it
actually sounded like, you know,my man was thinking for himself.
So I'm curious what the Christmas part of this was.
Oh, it was the very, very beginning.
It's like it's Christmas at the Manning House.
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And I was just like, why is this?
Why is SC Gwen there? I don't know, it's just so, so
weird. But anyway, and it just like has
the whole thing describing like who Arch Manning is and stuff.
I don't know, it just annoyed me.
It's. I can't.
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It's very hard not to be annoyedby the Mannings like.
So you think it's like a generalvibe with them as opposed to
like this kid annoys me or? I, I think, I think if you're
going to draw up the, the, the perfect football family, you're
probably drawing them up becausenone of those dudes have really
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been in trouble. All of those dudes come out
looking really positive and their image feels very much
controlled but not contrived, but you kind of want it to be.
So there was this famous ESPN commercial back when they said
the the the ad campaign was thisis Sports Center is very good.
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I wish we could do something like it's very cool.
But it was the Mannings were being LED around through ESP NS
campus and shown like on a tour and Eli and Peyton were acting
like two children behind that are picking on each other and
they're kicking each other and punching each other.
And then Archie turns around andbasically gave him the eye like,
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keep this up. I'm going to smack you.
And that was the commercial right?
Then you got Arch come online and Arch, who is the grandson of
Archie and the son of Cooper, who needed to quit playing
football because he got a medical diagnosis, made that
impossible, but also played widereceiver like the other two,
play quarterback. Of course, Arch wants to grow up
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to be a quarterback and go to Texas, which feels wild.
But you grow up in New Orleans and everything is gone, as it
should for him. Like there's nothing about his
upbringing or raising that feelsthe least bit confrontational.
And I'm curious, especially going into this year, what
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confrontation and what real adversity is going to find him
because this dude is really lived a charmed existence all
the way up to I'm the starting quarterback on the number one
team in the country. And I haven't done a damn thing.
And he's been quick to say that,which makes it really difficult
to also dislike him. But I'm annoyed that many people
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don't point that out. And I think you're picking up on
that vibe. You pick it up on the vibe of
what actually have you done and have you ever really had so much
as a hangnail? And I'm sure he has, but we
don't hear that part. So if there's a gritty part to
Arch Manning, if there's like a a rough edge to him, we haven't
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seen it. And I don't know that we will
because he's got an awestrucks attitude about stuff.
And it's the kind of dude that loses his student ID and people
make jokes about it, doesn't saymuch.
And he doesn't crave attention, doesn't crave money, doesn't
even crave playing time. He just kind of wants to go
about life. I think there are a lot of us
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that look at life as a thing that we are constantly
challenged by and beaten up by, and he doesn't have that.
So to see someone who has not been through that and to see
someone who is more or less beengiven every opportunity, if not
given everything, right? I'm sure he's made to earn
things, but given every opportunity and then capitalized
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on it. Yeah, that that's annoying.
That's irritating. I find that in my own life,
right, like you, you know enoughabout me to go RJS up and RJS
down. There are things that you know
about me that nobody else will. I think we're going to learn a
lot about this dude. And I think I mentioned this
when you were saying I don't. I don't really.
I don't think I like him, but ina way that what's he done yet?
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Nothing. Maybe he's going to give you an
opportunity to like him. I don't know.
I don't know what the he would have to do because Kate is not
an easy person to get over on. You know, like it's not it's not
going to be John Cena turning toheel.
Like that's not what it's going to be.
But you also are from the state of Oklahoma.
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And I also think there's something to that.
You you, you have mentioned my favorite wrestling thing to
occur in like the last like 50 years.
This is like just like John Cenaand The Rock just seems like
like. I swear to God I wish the rock
would just be heal in his everyday life.
I. I don't I you're, you're never a
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face. You are not a Dwayne, Dwayne,
this is, this is me, RJ the wrestling fan.
You ain't a face. I don't like Rocky Maevia.
None of us like Rocky Maevia. We don't think that dude is
worth a damn. We don't want you to be
president. We want you to smell what The
Rock is cooking and do the eyebrow thing.
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You know what I'm saying? Be loud about it.
But I didn't know John Cena could.
I know John Cena had that in him.
Like he's an actor. Man.
But I'm with you, I said. Oh my God, I didn't.
I didn't order this but yes. Yeah, no, I'm here for it.
It's like, you know? He's over here like I got.
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Rest. You know.
It's really, I really need to get one of like, this is going
to sound so stupid. I'm sorry.
I'm talking about wrestling on the football show.
We, we one. 100% crossover. It's a it's a Venn diagram.
That's a perfect circle. There's like this new
promotional T-shirt of like, John Cena as the heel that I
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adore and I desperately need to get it.
What's it say? It it doesn't really say
anything. It's just like like one of the
poses. But what's with the the outfit
from the? So this is this is also the
Super chill part of adapt and respond.
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Oh my God, last real champion. Like in a sport that has more
champions than Oh my God get outof here I love this.
Isn't it amazing? The last time is now what?
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What is this? I would wear this.
Wear this you should. We should get some I.
Would wear this sold? What is this not even a word?
John Cena's ex. OK, all right, we are.
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We're absolutely doing work withthese.
Yes, yes, we're doing work. With these, OK, I got it now.
I I thought when he said ruthless aggression that that
was a heel moment, but it wasn'tright.
It turned out to be a face moment and he played the hell
out of that. Might argue Cody Rose is
probably looking at John Cena going damn, I thought I was good
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and then I saw that I'm I'm I'm an outstanding hill.
I'm an outstanding hill. If am I deemed I understand that
list always gets me dog like that that list that Cody got.
I really wanted Cody to be the American dream and not the
American nightmare, but that's that's because destiny owes me
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something different to me. A lot of people out here don't
even know what mid South wrestling is or Jim Ross for
that matter. But is this the shirt that you
were thinking about which Cena fouled out?
There's another great one, the the last real champion, cuz the
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last T-shirt that I bought that was WWE related, actually, it
was a Roman Reigns T-shirt. And it just yelled acknowledged
me, which I really, really love as a challenger.
And you know, my my entire get down is I'm a challenger
everywhere I go. So when I get my man on that
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microphone going, acknowledge me, fall out, I'm dead ass.
OK, running up on time, but I didn't want to, Yeah.
Go, go back to the police. I'm really curious.
I'm sorry. I'm really, really curious.
About the same thing. Which part is that?
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Like, is it all right? So do you want me to help you
understand how the evolution andcreation of plays has evolved
over time? Kind of.
Well, I am just curious like I don't know like what's like the
oldest play still in use and what's like the newest?
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Play God's play God's play. And I, well, I'm probably no,
I'm, I'm overdoing it. It's ISO, So football 11 aside,
right, You got to have 5 on the line of scrimmage at all times.
Center, 2 guards, 2 tackles. So before we started throwing
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the football, what we would do is run the football and you
design plays that would attack one part of the defense.
Usually you got two kinds of plays you have, we are going to
block the people in front of us and we're going to try to let
this running back get to the second level and be talented,
right? Once you get to the linebackers,
it's up to him to make people miss, is what we would say.
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And then we came up with plays like trap, which is to say we
would have a guard or tackle depending on what kind of play
you're running, pull to go and trap.
A defensive tackle thought he was going to be able to or
defensive end. The thought he was going to
enter a gap that he couldn't andthe running back would run off
that dude's back hip. After that you get things like
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power power, meaning we're goingto pull our guards to one side.
So if you've got 2 guards on theother side, say the mic is the
center, 2 guards on either side,snap the ball.
These guys pull out, do this andthen you got your running back
that's following behind them. Call that God's play because
it's pretty unstoppable when yourun it right and it looks
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really, really cool on film. Oklahoma actually ran a counter
kind of play with this and they did a lot of things off of it.
The other thing that plays like that do is you create variations
off of it. So if people get used to you
running counter, but you can runa play Action Pass, which is a
boot. So you'll have the running back
running behind that. Those scars, you will play
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action, right? You'll fake the handoff if
you're the quarterback, and thenyou'll roll out the other way
and you'll have either the tightend or the wide receiver pulling
across and they might be open, they might be wide open, they
might get one-on-one. The point is, in all things
football, get your most talentedplayer, the football, as often
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as you can. So if your most talented player
is your tailback, you run the ball a lot.
If your most talented player is a wide receiver, you throw the
ball to him a lot. If your most talented player is
your quarterback, you do a lot of different things, and most of
them are built around what he does well.
If that's throw the football or run with the football, you do
that. And in high school, where you
don't have a lot of time to practice and you don't have a
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lot of skilled labor, you rely on some very basic fundamental
plays. So like Wishbone is still run in
Davis. That's been an obsolete
formation basically since the 1980s when Oklahoma and Texas
made it famous. But because Davis, Oklahoma is
so good at teaching it, teachingthe fundamentals of where you
step and how you step, that's all they run.
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And then nobody else sees it. So it's really difficult for you
to defend. This is what service academies
also do. Service academies run triple
options like that because they can't have the beef upfront
because they got weight limits. So you got 260 LB offensive
lineman when everybody else has got 310 three, 2330.
So what do you do against defensive lineman?
Would that outweigh you? Well, you got to be quicker and
more agile. How are you quicker and more
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agile? You get out and run.
So when you run the option or you run the veer, what you're
relying on is offensive lineman that can take a quick step out
here and get out in front and basically create a force field
so that the quarterback can readwho's coming after him and
either pitch the ball to the running back or make another
zone move. So you got 2 athletes.
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Sorry, you were going to ask a question.
Yes, I'm so sorry. Just a brief, brief question and
it might be a stupid question. No, nothing like that.
And in high school, are the weights of all the players like
available to everyone like all other teams?
Yes and no. So your weight is listed in the
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program, but we don't really rely on it.
Like we know if your dude is big, we, we just, we do, we
watch film like everybody else. And you usually know who's
talented because you know, good news travels fast.
So you always know who has an offer to go play football here
or there. But usually the way that the
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weights are listed, not even thehigh schools themselves really
got a handle on it. So I'll give you an example.
When I was playing at Memorial, all our weights were in
integrals of five SO1516517520520520185 and at
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that level it kind of matters. Like when you plan that Jinx
Bixby places that win state championships kind of matters.
But I remember our guards at Memorial, no more than 185.
But we ran a lot of power and weran a lot of option, which meant
we were not asking our guards toblack up in front and use their
strength. We were asking our guards to get
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out in front right and basicallykeep people away from the
tailback or away from the insidereceivers for as long as they
possibly could. This is where the air raid
becomes more dominant. My favorite offensive scheme
because the air raid was createdby how mummy to say, hey, look,
I don't have big fast players. What do I have?
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I have a bunch of dudes that want to play football, So what
do I do with dudes that want to play football?
You recruit offensive lineman and you say to them, hey, you
come here, there's only two things you got to do, eat and
jump rope. Why do I have to jump rope?
Because you got to be nimble enough to stay in front of
somebody for two seconds. He didn't say block them, He
said stay in front of them for two seconds.
The Air Raid is a quick passing offense, so the quarterback
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knows where he's going with the football.
Most of the time before the playhappens.
Your job is to just get it out, get it to your best player as
quickly as you can. If they have that best player
covered, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and that's the way the offense was
built. So you're 1234 all the way
through. You knew where your levels were,
and then you try to run up tempoto try to take away whatever
wind or whatever shape might be in that bigger, stronger team.
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Mike Leach ran the Air Raid at Texas Tech, which made it really
famous, but the principles were the same.
I've got a good quarterback in Graham here.
I've got the best wide receiver in the country and my Crabtree.
So what we're going to do is runan offense that basically gives
him as much one-on-one as we can.
And they did that and they were able to beat like a #2 Texas in
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a big game. 2009 for that. But my favorite example of this
is actually at Oklahoma State when Dana Hulgerson was the
offense coordinator. So Dana Hulgerson brought in the
diamond formation. Diamond formation was 5
offensive lineman and then quarterback, tailback, tailback,
tailback and a diamond and then two wide receivers outside.
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OK people thought that he was putting in a formation that
would make it easier to run the football because you're loading
the box. The box being those five
offensive lineman, create a box right forward backwards.
But what he was doing was createa one-on-one opportunities for
Justin Blackman who was their best wide receiver.
So people knew that. Justin Blackman, who's from
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Ardmore, by the way. Was an unguardable wide
receiver. So what do you do?
You don't say we're going to come out here and throw the
ball. You say no, no, no, no, please
come inside. It's nice here.
Have a seat inside of our littlebox.
Don't worry about Justin Blackman against your
cornerback. He's just going to win every
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friggin opportunity. And by the time you figure that
out and you're rolling a safety over the top, you've got this
whole left side of the field free where you can run the
football. So then you run the football and
it's like, damn, now we got to get out of that and we got to
cover the run. So then you put the defense into
an impossible position. Either way, I'm going to beat
you. It's whatever you want to give
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me. And that's what when you hear
people say take what the offensegive or what the defense gives
you. That's it.
So as a quarterback, me, I'm going to read, I'm going to say
high, low. I'm going to say you got 2
safeties higher. We got open, close, cool.
And if you rotate to open or yourotate to close, that's on me.
And that's on the side adjustments.
That's football. That's it.
Every opportunity to create a play is an opportunity to try to
(41:29):
beat the defense. So yeah, we got Felipe Figure to
fly and we have like Sooner Special, which is where we got
like quarterback throwbacks and stuff.
But if you look at football as ameans of saying, OK, who's the
weakest link on whomever's team attacked that, then it becomes
(41:50):
simple. So like, when you watch Kansas
State, Iowa State this weekend, you might see a variation of the
same sort of play over and over again because they isolated,
hey, that dude over there, he sucks.
So we're going to beat the shit out of him.
Damn it, I did it again. I'm I'm sorry, I.
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Only touched on the podcast whenKate's here because I'm so
comfortable with family. Anyway, that's what happened,
you say or coming back to the huddle.
This is always cool. You have an offensive lineman
going, hey, hey, that dude don'twant it.
Can we come this way? Hell yeah, we come that way.
Work him, work him over, beat him up.
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And that's that's football. It is like offensive lineman who
don't have stats. Why do you do this?
Because I get to move another man from point A to point B
against his will. And that psychologically plays
on you. So by the middle of the third
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quarter, the fourth quarter, youjust don't want to get beat up
like this anymore because there's nothing you could do.
Like perhaps you heard me and Ron say this, but like, you have
a coach that comes up to you andhe goes, son, why are you
letting him do that to you? And you go, coach, I'm not
letting him do a damn thing. I'm not letting him do anything.
He's just doing it. There's nothing I can do about
(43:20):
it. It's going to happen.
That's football, right? That's where the aggression
comes from. That's where you hear people
talking the way we do about it. It's why I tend to say, yeah,
I'm probably smaller than you are and I'm shorter than you
are, but you're welcome to try me.
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Many people don't, right? It's that that's football.
One O 1. It's I'm going to move you
against your will. Can you stop me?
Or it goes the other way? I'm going to just pummel you.
So when we talk about a fistfight, that's what it is,
right? So when you come off the ball,
you're trying to put your hands on someone and they're trying to
prevent you slapping down your hands and then moving around you
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or throwing you to one side. And when it comes to tackling,
quite literally, we're trying tohit you and we're trying to
bring you to the ground. All these things go into how we
design plays. And that's before we get into
defense, right? Defense Kate, I can't wait to
see when you find out. You know, like the grid splits.
(44:26):
Y'all would never know this, butKate is 1/2 of my favorite
safety combo because Kate has every bit of Steve Atwater
running through her veins. Y'all would never know this
because you've never seen Kate. But they've been looking at
things like, yeah, I bet I can whoop her ass.
(44:47):
I bet I can. And you've ever seen Steve that
one? Or get somebody?
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
OK, You know exactly. What I'm talking?
About now, I really want to. As you get to plays that you
think are cooler, formations youthink are cool, send them to me.
But but I do want to ask a question about the game though.
(45:09):
Who do you think? Who do you think are the weakest
players at Kansas and Iowa? Kansas State, Iowa State is
going to be the same answer for everybody.
The most inexperienced dudes on the field every single time.
That's for everybody across the board.
Like especially in these first weeks, you're going to see games
(45:30):
decided by who makes the fewest mistakes, which is a horrible
way to try to do anything right,Try to play mistake free.
But that's what it is. It's going to be what
inexperienced person do you haveto put on the football field and
can I identify him? And after I identify him, what
does he do? That's all we say.
It's not X's and O's. It's Jimmy's and Joe's, right?
(45:52):
It's my jimmies are better than your Joe's.
I don't give a damn what formation or what player you're
calling or my favorite was. Players make plays.
Players make plays. Playing makers, right?
Doesn't matter what the play is,if I've got a better player than
you. So we'll find out, right?
And that's why we always talk about who the better players
(46:13):
are, because we, we got evidence, right?
We've got empirical data to showAvery Johnson's a dude.
Rocco Beck's a dude. I'm very curious to find out
about guys like Xavier Townsend at Iowa State, for instance,
because Iowa State had two greatwide receivers last year.
Both of those guys got drafted, I believe, in the second round,
both of them, which wild becausethat program was not renowned
(46:36):
for producing great wide receivers until recently, like
Xavier Hutchinson also comes to mind.
So now they got a couple unproven prospects out there
that they really need to play well.
And if they don't, well, it could be hard.
But they've also got a couple tailbacks that are very proven.
If Kansas State can't stop the run, that's a problem again, Now
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we're playing football, now we're playing football.
And then if you're going to findout what dudes can do in the
first half and you're going to make adjustments in the
second-half, come out. We'll see if they work.
This my convoluted, somehow dodgy answer.
Gotcha. I also do not like to put dudes
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on Front Street that haven't played.
That's just me. I think it's bad form to say
this dude sucks if I haven't actually seen him play.
Well, we're haven't seen him play at all.
But if they do suck, I'll tell you.
Like I will rage if Taylor Tatumput the ball on the ground again
for Oklahoma. Boys got stone hands.
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Can't hold on football, That's asin.
You fumble the football is a sin.
You know there aren't there aren't 10 commandments.
There are 11. Thou shalt not fumble the
football. It's just what it is.
Kate was kind enough to do this with me at an hour.
That is ridiculous and I love her so much for that.
(48:00):
If you like having Kate on the show, please tell us in the
comments below. If you like the podcast, please
tell us in the comments on Spotify and reach out to me on
the socials, on the Instagrams, on the Tik Toks I'd be uploading
over there. Also, find me a date, damn it.
Good God Kate, this came up What?
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I'm thitter now than I've ever been and I really had to dig
into why I'm on a bike and I do this for a living.
I need another hobby. That's what I'm saying, I need
another hobby. OK we will see y'all.
(48:45):
On the flip side, this. Bye bye.
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