February 27, 2025 • 55 mins
Adult Beverage Film Podcast: "Late Night with the Devil" – When Talk Shows Go to Hell
Step aside, Johnny Carson—this late-night talk show isn't just entertaining, it's downright possessed! In our latest episode of the Adult Beverage Film Podcast, we dive headfirst into Late Night with the Devil, a devilishly fun and spine-chilling horror film that takes the traditional talk show format and cranks up the chaos to supernatural levels.
Picture this: It’s the groovy, polyester-clad 1970s, and a struggling late-night host will do anything for ratings—even if it means inviting something... otherworldly onto the stage. Think The Tonight Show meets The Exorcist, with a dash of found footage eeriness and a full serving of demonic delights.
We break down the film’s wickedly clever mix of satire and scares, the nostalgic nods to classic talk shows, and—most importantly—just how much we’d sell our souls for a few more episodes of this nightmare-fueled late-night madness. Join us as we sip on some strong drinks, swap theories on the film’s deeper meanings, and try not to summon anything we can’t banish back to the underworld.
So, grab a cocktail, dim the lights, and tune in—because this episode of the Adult Beverage Film Podcast is one hell of a show! 🎙️👹🔥
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This is Adult Beverage Film Podcast.
Welcome back to Adult Beverage Film Podcast.
We've got a great cast here with us tonight.
I tell you, it's gonna be a fun one.
Hey look, just like this movie we're gonna be discussing
we've redone this show two or three times now
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because it just will not record right.
There's just all kinds of crazy stuff going on.
It's the devil!
Or it just puked all over her room.
Oh my god, yeah.
And it is becoming late night.
It is. It is getting late night.
So this show should be very entertaining for everyone listening.
So we've got Carlisle Squeaker Hamrick over there hiding out.
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He's got his harmonica with us today.
So that's a fun treat in between.
My thing.
Yes it is.
Is now.
And we've got Patrick G. Keenan hiding out over there.
Why are you saying hiding? None of us are hiding.
Oh well.
We will be if you say something stupid.
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Oh well, there's gonna be a lot of that, that's for sure.
And then we've got Laura G.
Oh wait, it's not Laura G.
I'm Laura G. Keenan.
Patrick and I are...
We've been trying to get you guys married but it's not working out.
We're the same person. It's Amelia Perez all over.
We've got Laura Squeaker.
And I'm Kent Smith.
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So we're behind time so we're gonna rush through this.
You want to tell them what movie we're doing?
We can go. Why don't you tell them Patrick?
Tell them you've watched it.
Today we're doing Late Night with the Devil.
Starring David Dasmalchian.
That's it. I can't remember the other cast members' names.
A whole mouthful of names though.
Dasmalchian is that?
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Did I say that right?
And I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it right.
What is that? Greek? He looks Greek.
He does.
I just went with it. He does. He totally looks Greek.
Like a handsome Greek man.
Let's talk about Late Night with the Devil.
What did you think Squeaker?
What did you think of the movie?
I thought it was really interesting.
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I didn't know what to expect at all going into it.
I didn't look anything up.
I didn't read about what it was.
I thought it was really cool.
Very unique.
To see the way it started with the little documentary.
And then set up that you were actually watching an episode of a Late Night show.
I thought it worked.
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Was it perfect? No.
I don't think it was a perfectly executed movie.
But I thought it was a lot of fun.
Excellent.
How about you, Kent?
At first, I was not a fan of this film.
And I'm still not 100% fan.
But what I will say is that from the beginning,
I was very captivated in the very beginning of this movie.
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And then I sort of faded away the first time I watched.
But the second time, I started picking up little nuances.
And I really kind of started to like this film.
And definitely, it was more entertaining each time.
And I'll say after the third watch,
I'm starting to think there's something there that I need to keep watching it for.
So, that's where I stand.
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I'm still mixed on this.
And I'm hoping that you guys can convince me that I should watch it a fourth time.
Excellent.
Laura Truman.
I think it deserves.
Wrong.
Oh, sorry.
All right.
Bye, then.
Bye.
I think it deserves a fourth, fifth, sixth watch.
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Tenth watch.
However many watches you need to get all the little things.
Because it's all the little things in this movie.
You get more out of it every time you watch it, for sure.
You get more revealed to you.
More details.
Become clearer.
Characters that you thought weren't going to stand out at all.
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Like Gus.
What you see is what you get.
Not true.
I learned a lot about Gus on the second and third viewing
that I didn't catch the first time around.
Gus is a super scared Christian guy.
And he does not want any part of this.
He is terrified about all of this.
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But he has to go along because he's the fucking sidekick.
Oh, the sidekick.
The second banana.
They got to do all the things that nobody else wants to do.
Poor Gus.
True.
And apparently Gus has seen The Exorcist because he's doing that.
The power of Christ compels you.
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It's all he has.
It's all he has.
That's everyone's go-to.
Oh, this might be a possession.
I'm going to go to The Exorcist.
I don't believe in Christ, but he's compelling.
But he's compelling.
He's so compelling.
You cannot say he's not.
Look at him.
Look at him.
Just look at him.
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So I, in people's references,
I'm the one who's watched it at least 10 times now.
The first time I really enjoyed it,
the beginning part, that documentary style of the time period
we're in that Michael Ironside does, narrates,
is really interesting to get you there.
And then, like Tweeker was saying,
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it unravels as an episode of this late-night show.
Wonderful throwback to the Satanic Panic movies.
Tons of references.
And if you're older, like Kent,
a lot of things that you can go,
oh, this kind of reminds me of The Amazing Kreskin.
Oh, this is The Amazing, or this is,
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maybe it was The Amazing Randy.
It was The Amazing Randy.
Yes.
And then Something Kreskin, I think,
was the guy who used to defraud.
I think he was also amazing.
I think he was amazing.
I think he was.
He was amazing.
There was a lot of amazing back then.
You're amazing.
And they both did make the rounds on the late-night shows.
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Now, what stood out with this is it obviously looks,
he's trying to compete with Johnny Carson.
But if you were like me back in the 70s,
we only had like six channels.
And Johnny was on NBC.
And then I don't even know if there were other late-night hosts
on CBS yet or ABC.
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I feel like ABC had news shows at night.
And CBS, nobody watched CBS.
It's kind of like now.
But if you went to like Channel 9,
W-O-R-T-V, Channel 9,
they would have your less budgeted late-night hosts,
which if you came across those,
you would laugh because it looks like they might be doing it in their garage.
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Joe Franklin would have throwbacks to people he's met,
stars and celebrities,
but he would hold up pictures of them and the camera would just zoom in.
And he would just flip them forward.
Somewhere there's going to be one person that's like,
I know what he's talking about.
I know who that person is.
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It's Kent, too.
But yeah, we had those.
We lost a few viewers there.
What is he talking about?
Even Arsenio Hall, though,
was on, when I grew up,
ended up being on W-O-R-T-V.
That was a little later, right?
It was later.
Was that the 90s?
I thought it was the 80s.
Maybe it was the 80s into 90s, probably.
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I was really wasted for one of those decades.
I can't remember.
The five facts are starting to settle in right now.
But I thought this movie was amazing.
The throwbacks to actual real people.
Oh, and even if you look at Carmichael,
I remember when I was a kid,
I think it was on the Mike Douglas show,
Orson Welles would show up with his little magical things
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that he would talk about.
And he would be like,
if you have a broken watch in your home,
hold it up to the TV and I will fix it later
and make it work again.
It was just really bizarre shit.
That's awesome.
It was just crazy.
I could just visualize Patrick holding his watch up to the TV.
Did it work?
It's a digital watch.
It just needed new batteries.
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But yeah, so Carlisle, or Carlisle, not Carlisle.
Carmichael was a throwback to that.
Chris Stu was a throwback to a lot of things.
And Gus is our perennial sidekick,
as Laura was talking about.
And a lot of this was based on that memory regression stuff
that was big, that started the Satanic Panic in the 70s.
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And I think it went into the beginning of the 80s,
which gave us great movies.
The Devil's Ring.
Race with the Devil.
Race with the Devil, another one.
Was that a Caridin?
Fonda.
Fonda.
Peter Fonda.
I get them a little mixed up.
I don't know why.
Warren Oates.
Loretta Smith.
I just had a thought.
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Uh-oh, didn't it hurt?
I didn't think about it before,
and I want to get in more about Jack later.
But what do you think was their setup for this show?
Because they obviously had a show planned for that night.
Did Jack think that this was all fake?
Was he just setting the show up to be like,
let's see what happens?
What do you think their idea of how the show was supposed to go?
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What do you think that was?
Well, Gus kept trying to ask him what they were planning.
He says several times throughout the movie backstage,
he's like, what is this thing that's going to happen next?
What is going to happen?
I need to know what's going to happen,
and no one will answer him,
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and no one will talk to him about what's going to happen next.
And I think that's like, is it planned?
Is it not planned?
Were there some things planned, and then it goes off the rails?
I think the moment for me where it goes off the rails
is when Chris Du gets hit with that last thing about Minnie,
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and he's like, oh shit, I didn't mean for this to be real.
I didn't plan this.
Oh my god.
And then it's all like, woo, we're going downhill from here.
Yeah.
It kind of reminds me of this show.
Off the rails.
The beginning of the show, they say tonight's guest Chris Du,
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and then Carmichael, blah, blah, blah,
the singer that never got to come on,
and then Lily and Dr. June.
Yeah.
But obviously the singer got bumped from the show,
but they even say the singer is going to sing some spooky medley,
blah, blah, blah.
Chris Du, obviously, this is his first time,
the way that Jack was acting about him being on the show,
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but he has a past with Carmichael on the show,
and obviously he has a past with Dr. June, but not Lily.
The first couple of times I watched it,
I went, I don't think any of this was planned,
but then when you start listening more to some of the stuff Lily says,
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and then also Carmichael even says it too,
like, you planned this, you planned this whole thing just for ratings,
blah, blah, blah.
So then I started questioning, maybe he was in the know,
and the producer guy, whose name I can't remember,
that looked so 70s with the curly hair.
Oh, he looks like the rapist from that 70s show.
Okay.
Danny Massey.
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Yes, thank you, Danny Massey.
The real rapist.
We should give him a shout out.
Why is he the one person?
No, boo, boo.
Fuck that guy.
Sorry.
I just didn't know what his name was,
because that was going to bother me, but thank you.
At least that's what we know him as.
Yeah.
But yeah, like earlier there was,
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like when Christo was starting,
that guy was a plant in the audience, right?
Like I can't remember the character's name.
Oh, Barry?
Barry.
He was a plant, right?
The two ladies were also a plant.
Oh.
Right, yeah.
Because somebody goes and talks to them,
and they had talked to Christo's assistant before the show.
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And then they had gotten some information from them,
but then Randy goes over.
His name's not Randy.
What's his name?
Carmichael.
Carmichael, thank you.
He goes over, and he's like,
so you talked to them before the show.
So yeah, he finds out that that was fake.
I knew it.
I knew it.
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Right.
Carmichael, played by Ian Bliss.
Fantastic.
Wonderful actor.
Fantastic.
From the Matrix, second and third Matrix movies.
And really, he makes a great Amazing Randy, I think.
Oh, he does.
Yeah, like I think he should play him in the movie, for sure.
Yeah.
What movie?
The Amazing Randy movie, whenever they make that.
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So you think there's going to be a documentary of him?
No, there already is.
There is already a documentary about him,
the Amazing Randy.
He's called an on-flyer.
Not a documentary, a biopic.
Well, no.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm pretty sure Timothee Chalamet will play him.
Look, I've had a few beers.
I know.
We should get someone to play them in a documentary.
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The documentary is just like the real person.
What if it's a time traveler?
This is a real movie, too.
Like, you know, real characters.
I mean, you know, we're all believing.
This is true.
You guys have drank way too much tonight.
That's all I'm going to say.
It's a weeknight, too.
Hey, yeah.
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Well, we've tried this to start this show three times.
So, I mean, literally, we've kept drinking.
Just has a bottle of Will It on an IV hooked into him.
Yeah, I'm just trying to get my arm, trying to figure out this stuff again.
Will It or Bolt It?
Yeah.
What else are we going to talk about, huh?
Well, I thought something I tried to talk about earlier before the podcast ended.
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I thought that, and I don't want to mispronounce his name, David Desmalchian.
I thought he did a really great job as the host.
He was like, you know, they made the big deal about him competing with Carson,
but you could tell why he was not beating Carson.
Like, he kind of had some confidence, but it wasn't like enough confidence to
really convince people that he was a genuine person.
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And he played that perfectly.
Like, there was a lot of nuance to that, to his personality,
and I thought he really pulled that off well.
Do you think they were trying to compare him to someone else that's, like,
modern day, maybe?
You know?
He felt a lot like Dick Cavett to me.
And I, I, Dick Cavett's like, okay, but, like, nobody's like,
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ooh, I'm going to run home and watch Dick Cavett tonight.
Like, nobody's saying that.
Wait, Patrick, are you saying that?
Don't, don't say that.
I really don't remember Dick Cavett.
See, and that's the problem.
There's the problem with Dick Cavett.
That's the answer right there, yeah.
I watch Merv Griffin more often than I watch Dick Cavett.
Yeah, but that was in the afternoons.
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It was in the afternoons.
Was Dick Cavett at night?
It shouldn't have been.
I don't know.
Because it's boring.
I don't think I ever watched Dick Cavett.
It wasn't a regular, it didn't feel very regular.
Like, it felt like sometimes it would show up.
Apologies to Dick Cavett.
I'm sorry.
You're boring.
Jack Delroy came across as, like, a, like, phony.
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Like, it wasn't like a phony personality.
It was a guy who was just trying to get ratings.
He was trying to be liked.
And who has their dying wife on their talk show?
Right?
Yeah.
Two weeks before she dies, it's like.
Ugh, disgusting.
But then they mouth, I love you to each other.
And even that felt kind of fucky.
Okay, here, I got a question.
(16:19):
I got a question for you.
Come close.
No, we're waiting.
Come close.
Yes?
Do you think he knew that that was the price he was going to have to pay?
Losing his wife.
That came across me on the third take.
(16:40):
It came across you?
Yeah.
Right across my lap.
It was right across.
Directed movies.
I was, I started thinking about that on the third, third viewing.
And I kept saying, like, to myself, I'm like, is, would he, did he do?
Was he, and then Bob, did he even have something to do with her sickness?
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He knew he was going to have to pay a price.
And he knew it was going to be a big price.
What did he think it was going to be?
Well, the only reason I say that, because they mentioned that he did,
she didn't smoke and she had lung cancer.
I know you can get that.
You know, it's a possibility, but usually it's from like.
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Secondhand smoke or something, but not.
So that's why it made me sort of like.
Okay.
Are you trying to set that into tone for us to think that way?
I don't know.
I didn't.
So I still, when I watch it, I don't feel that he fully understood.
That, that, that would be a sacrifice, but I could be wrong.
Usually I watch it at 11th time and go, oh yeah, he knew.
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Do you think that.
That's why we're doing this podcast is so that you can go into the 11th
take and say, ah, these guys showed me new enlightened.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Go into the 11th take and levitate.
Yeah.
I mean, well, we gotta, we gotta mention that Patrick.
Most out of every movie he buys and that he tries to get every single
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cent out of it.
So this is how I do it.
And I didn't even buy this one.
Yeah.
It's getting all my value out of Hulu right now.
Thank you.
Shout out to Hulu.
Thanks Hulu.
I love Hulu.
It's all right.
Shout out to Hulu.
I had a valid question.
Hold on.
While you're thinking about it.
Thanks.
No, I forgot.
No, I'm just kidding.
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So I do feel like he kind of like made a deal with the devil.
Like it was.
You think he was conscious of that.
Do you think he thought about it in like a supernatural way?
Or do you think he just thought I'm schmoozing with these rich folks who are
weird and they doing weird things?
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Well, think about the grove.
I mean, that's, that's the whole thing.
Like, does he think it's supernatural though?
Like, does he think that like, these are just rich people playing at
something or is there real like devilry at work?
Well, I mean, he's obviously seen the.
The, the ritual things that they did with.
(19:12):
At the owl head guy and all that.
So, I mean, do you think you would think like a men's only club that includes
politicians and, you know, if he thinks it's supernatural,
he has to know that he's going to have to sacrifice his wife.
He has to be aware that that's a possibility.
If he doesn't think it's supernatural, then he, he can't possibly think that.
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Does that make sense?
That does make sense.
It does.
Yeah.
But I have a question about the whole, cause he,
and this is where I kind of like go against my deal with the devil thing
is that like, if he knew he was sacrificing, it didn't work, right?
Like he never got number one in the rating.
So what was the sacrifice and how did it pay off?
Okay.
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So I was having this conversation earlier.
I was trying to decide what was the wish.
What was the specific wish?
And I think the specific wish was,
I want to have the highest rated show.
It wasn't,
I want to be number one or I want to be the most successful.
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I think it was very specifically,
I want to have the highest ratings because that's what he got.
He had the highest rated one single show.
Yeah.
Interesting.
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
Yeah.
The fine print.
He didn't really,
it's always the fine print.
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Like you can't just wish for more wishes,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know,
what is this?
The fucking monkey's paw.
Exactly.
Yes, it is.
What do you guys think about the,
the sort of the found footage stuff that it was in this,
because you know,
that's part of the basis of this story is that it's the show,
the TV show,
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but the other is like found footage.
I found when I watched it too close,
I was very critical that they had more than one camera for found
footage.
The logic didn't always work.
Right.
That was how I thought about it too.
And I think that's kind of the thing that sort of the first time
watching it,
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it took me out of it because I was like,
Oh,
come on.
They got multiple angles on this behind five rolls of film like this,
you know?
Like,
yeah,
I mean,
it was like they wouldn't,
and they wouldn't be shooting that if they were on set like that,
there'd be one camera running and that would be,
you know,
so.
Yeah.
Cause it's the seventies.
Yeah.
(21:42):
Now you're,
you,
if you have more than you have one camera,
you've done pretty well on,
on TV shows.
So that part of it just sort of kind of took me out a little bit
away from the story,
but I did like the whole,
what was the guy's name?
Sandor,
the guy who's the head of the grove.
Oh,
is that his name?
Zandor?
That's great.
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Yeah.
And he was probably like balding and,
and,
and awkward.
Like he's really just a takeoff on Anton LaVey.
Who's,
who's the father of modern Satanism and who would show up as,
so I already talked about the devil's reign briefly,
but he was a technical advisor on the devil's reign and had a small part in
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the movie.
So apparently some people in Hollywood were like,
Hey,
let's hang out with the guy who started modern Satanism.
I'm going to watch that movie again because I absolutely have it on DVD
and I'm going to look for him now.
It's hysterical.
Eddie Albert.
It's hysterical.
Oh,
I forgot about Eddie Albert.
Oh,
green acres.
You're a long way from green acres.
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So having brought up like an actor that was in it,
what did you think about the casting choices?
Like I thought everybody did a really,
really great job.
I agree.
Everybody was believable.
I was thinking throughout is like,
I don't know what the budget was on this.
I don't know like where the idea came from,
but it would have been really easy to like put a star in it just to like,
(23:10):
you know,
market it and get publicity.
But I thought everybody,
like I thought the casting was perfect.
Like anybody else,
anybody higher profile probably would have taken away from it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think by being not super big stars that helped on that side of it.
So it made it more realistic.
And I think that works,
works,
always works with found footage kind of movies.
(23:30):
And we got to remember we're being,
we're second.
We're not first.
We can't have big stars.
We're not first.
We're second.
Right.
Are we talking about the movie?
I mean,
we're not second.
I would be glad to be second.
It would be nice to be second.
(23:52):
Help us get to second.
Yeah.
Help us.
Help us.
Both of you out in Zimbabwe listening to us.
Help us get to 28th.
I mean,
get to 100,
you know,
it's funny.
I can't find a budget on this movie.
So I know I look for it too.
And I never could find one.
It was all taken care of by the devil.
(24:13):
Yes.
Wasn't that?
No,
no,
no.
I'm sure it was taken care of by some producer somewhere.
It didn't make a fortune at the box office either,
but considering its budget was probably low.
Well,
I mean,
you've gotten.
(24:33):
Where was it?
I mean,
was it?
I can't remember.
Was it a shutter production?
I think so.
Yeah.
So it was designed to go there so that,
you know,
they wouldn't have monster budget.
I think it,
I don't know.
That's something to look into when we,
and maybe some of the viewers let us know.
What that is.
I think,
you know,
all both of you are scraping.
(24:57):
Viewers.
Viewers.
Call our hotline.
No.
All right.
So AI says the budget was around $150,000 for,
for,
(25:17):
for visual effects.
Yeah,
that would be.
The facts I would imagine.
Oh,
I mean,
even though it's really not a lot of sets other than,
you know,
the other stuff that's,
but the,
there's not,
it's just,
it's gotta be a simple budget because it wasn't crazy on that
side.
Oh,
it says the,
the exact figures of the budget are unknown.
(25:38):
Much like.
Much like facts in the movie.
Yeah.
So I,
I really liked the scene where Carmichael did the hypnosis,
where you kind of,
you,
you kind of start wondering like,
what's real here.
Cause you actually see the visuals of the worms coming out of
Gus.
(25:58):
And it made me almost wonder like,
what have,
what else that we had seen that we thought we saw might've been
kind of fake.
But what,
what did you think overall of like that,
that hypnosis scene?
It was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.
I,
I thought it was very interesting in the way they did it.
And the way the audience and everybody was kind of hypnotized thought
(26:20):
was kind of intriguing.
I don't think that would happen,
but like,
I thought it was,
it was intriguing.
Part of me that took me out of it too,
but I did like the concept of it,
of how they,
you know,
everybody was caught in the moment and they were seeing it too.
Do you think it was too high a percentage of people who were like
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hypnotized,
hypnotized in the audience?
because you're never gonna,
not everybody.
Some people are just not,
they say what they say,
like two people were,
yeah,
like two people out of like how many,
50 to 75 people out there.
Like,
yeah,
I think it was going to be more than two.
No,
there's,
there's more than that.
I mean,
I think I've actually done some research on this and I think the
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percentage of people that can be hypnotized is like,
it's like five out of 10 people can actually be hypnotized.
I'd be 50%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But there's different levels of hypnotism.
Hypnotism.
Hypnotism.
Hypnotosis.
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There's different levels that you can actually have.
And so you can actually be,
some people can be put,
like they can have surgery without any medicine or anything.
Putting,
they don't have,
I mean,
they can just basically cutting on them and they would be fine while
they're under this.
Whereas other people are not.
They would know.
Oh,
Lord.
I woke up in the middle of mine and I can tell you that.
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You don't want that.
You don't want that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there is,
have you ever been around hypnosis?
Have you seen anyone hypnotize?
I've seen people,
I've seen people do it and it's interesting how some people can be
and some people can't.
It's funny.
I think it's like playing it up.
Like,
you don't think the people that say they've been hypnotized are just
acting.
No,
this was definitely not.
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They,
they can,
I mean,
it's,
we're so,
we're able,
I guess our brains are able to process differently and every person
handles things different.
But in this situation that I saw,
I mean,
not everybody,
I would say they,
they had like 12 people up and I think they ended up having down to
like two that really were like deep and they could basically tell them
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to do whatever and they did it and they were not setups.
It wasn't,
it wasn't like that.
You could just tell.
So did this hypnosis scene make you question what else,
like everything else that was going on?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
the fact that,
well,
I mean,
I think you have to buy into the fact that this is not really going to
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happen in some ways.
Some things that you're,
you know,
people are going to see these kinds of things in that.
But I think it also makes it entertaining and that was part of the,
you know,
the captivity of the story,
I guess.
But like,
are you thinking at that point,
like,
well,
June and her shit,
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that shit was not real either.
Like I've just been duped.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
we're supposed to think that and that's why I think Lily says,
can we go back and watch the tape?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And,
uh,
she kind of needs that to move stuff forward there.
And then of course,
uh,
Jack,
she's mini the ghost of MIDI.
(29:34):
Yeah.
And,
you know,
all along when he's scrolling through the footage and making them go slower
and slower and slower.
And I'm like,
Oh,
he's waiting for her little head to spin around.
Cause that's what I saw.
Like I saw her face facing the wrong way and he saw something totally
different.
So like everybody's seeing different things everywhere.
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Stuff.
Well,
you know,
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This is Adult Beverage Film Podcast.
Welcome back to Adult Beverage Film Podcast.
We've got a great cast here with us tonight.
I tell you, it's gonna be a fun one.
Hey look, just like this movie we're gonna be discussing
we've redone this show two or three times now
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because it just will not record right.
There's just all kinds of crazy stuff going on.
It's the devil!
Or it just puked all over her room.
Oh my god, yeah.
And it is becoming late night.
It is. It is getting late night.
So this show should be very entertaining for everyone listening.
So we've got Carlisle Squeaker Hamrick over there hiding out.
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He's got his harmonica with us today.
So that's a fun treat in between.
My thing.
Yes it is.
Is now.
And we've got Patrick G. Keenan hiding out over there.
Why are you saying hiding? None of us are hiding.
Oh well.
We will be if you say something stupid.
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Oh well, there's gonna be a lot of that, that's for sure.
And then we've got Laura G.
Oh wait, it's not Laura G.
I'm Laura G. Keenan.
Patrick and I are...
We've been trying to get you guys married but it's not working out.
We're the same person. It's Amelia Perez all over.
We've got Laura Squeaker.
And I'm Kent Smith.
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So we're behind time so we're gonna rush through this.
You want to tell them what movie we're doing?
We can go. Why don't you tell them Patrick?
Tell them you've watched it.
Today we're doing Late Night with the Devil.
Starring David Dasmalchian.
That's it. I can't remember the other cast members' names.
A whole mouthful of names though.
Dasmalchian is that?
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Did I say that right?
And I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it right.
What is that? Greek? He looks Greek.
He does.
I just went with it. He does. He totally looks Greek.
Like a handsome Greek man.
Let's talk about Late Night with the Devil.
What did you think Squeaker?
What did you think of the movie?
I thought it was really interesting.
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I didn't know what to expect at all going into it.
I didn't look anything up.
I didn't read about what it was.
I thought it was really cool.
Very unique.
To see the way it started with the little documentary.
And then set up that you were actually watching an episode of a Late Night show.
I thought it worked.
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Was it perfect? No.
I don't think it was a perfectly executed movie.
But I thought it was a lot of fun.
Excellent.
How about you, Kent?
At first, I was not a fan of this film.
And I'm still not 100% fan.
But what I will say is that from the beginning,
I was very captivated in the very beginning of this movie.
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And then I sort of faded away the first time I watched.
But the second time, I started picking up little nuances.
And I really kind of started to like this film.
And definitely, it was more entertaining each time.
And I'll say after the third watch,
I'm starting to think there's something there that I need to keep watching it for.
So, that's where I stand.
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I'm still mixed on this.
And I'm hoping that you guys can convince me that I should watch it a fourth time.
Excellent.
Laura Truman.
I think it deserves.
Wrong.
Oh, sorry.
All right.
Bye, then.
Bye.
I think it deserves a fourth, fifth, sixth watch.
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Tenth watch.
However many watches you need to get all the little things.
Because it's all the little things in this movie.
You get more out of it every time you watch it, for sure.
You get more revealed to you.
More details.
Become clearer.
Characters that you thought weren't going to stand out at all.
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Like Gus.
What you see is what you get.
Not true.
I learned a lot about Gus on the second and third viewing
that I didn't catch the first time around.
Gus is a super scared Christian guy.
And he does not want any part of this.
He is terrified about all of this.
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But he has to go along because he's the fucking sidekick.
Oh, the sidekick.
The second banana.
They got to do all the things that nobody else wants to do.
Poor Gus.
True.
And apparently Gus has seen The Exorcist because he's doing that.
The power of Christ compels you.
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It's all he has.
It's all he has.
That's everyone's go-to.
Oh, this might be a possession.
I'm going to go to The Exorcist.
I don't believe in Christ, but he's compelling.
But he's compelling.
He's so compelling.
You cannot say he's not.
Look at him.
Look at him.
Just look at him.
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So I, in people's references,
I'm the one who's watched it at least 10 times now.
The first time I really enjoyed it,
the beginning part, that documentary style of the time period
we're in that Michael Ironside does, narrates,
is really interesting to get you there.
And then, like Tweeker was saying,
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it unravels as an episode of this late-night show.
Wonderful throwback to the Satanic Panic movies.
Tons of references.
And if you're older, like Kent,
a lot of things that you can go,
oh, this kind of reminds me of The Amazing Kreskin.
Oh, this is The Amazing, or this is,
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maybe it was The Amazing Randy.
It was The Amazing Randy.
Yes.
And then Something Kreskin, I think,
was the guy who used to defraud.
I think he was also amazing.
I think he was amazing.
I think he was.
He was amazing.
There was a lot of amazing back then.
You're amazing.
And they both did make the rounds on the late-night shows.
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Now, what stood out with this is it obviously looks,
he's trying to compete with Johnny Carson.
But if you were like me back in the 70s,
we only had like six channels.
And Johnny was on NBC.
And then I don't even know if there were other late-night hosts
on CBS yet or ABC.
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I feel like ABC had news shows at night.
And CBS, nobody watched CBS.
It's kind of like now.
But if you went to like Channel 9,
W-O-R-T-V, Channel 9,
they would have your less budgeted late-night hosts,
which if you came across those,
you would laugh because it looks like they might be doing it in their garage.
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Joe Franklin would have throwbacks to people he's met,
stars and celebrities,
but he would hold up pictures of them and the camera would just zoom in.
And he would just flip them forward.
Somewhere there's going to be one person that's like,
I know what he's talking about.
I know who that person is.
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It's Kent, too.
But yeah, we had those.
We lost a few viewers there.
What is he talking about?
Even Arsenio Hall, though,
was on, when I grew up,
ended up being on W-O-R-T-V.
That was a little later, right?
It was later.
Was that the 90s?
I thought it was the 80s.
Maybe it was the 80s into 90s, probably.
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I was really wasted for one of those decades.
I can't remember.
The five facts are starting to settle in right now.
But I thought this movie was amazing.
The throwbacks to actual real people.
Oh, and even if you look at Carmichael,
I remember when I was a kid,
I think it was on the Mike Douglas show,
Orson Welles would show up with his little magical things
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that he would talk about.
And he would be like,
if you have a broken watch in your home,
hold it up to the TV and I will fix it later
and make it work again.
It was just really bizarre shit.
That's awesome.
It was just crazy.
I could just visualize Patrick holding his watch up to the TV.
Did it work?
It's a digital watch.
It just needed new batteries.
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But yeah, so Carlisle, or Carlisle, not Carlisle.
Carmichael was a throwback to that.
Chris Stu was a throwback to a lot of things.
And Gus is our perennial sidekick,
as Laura was talking about.
And a lot of this was based on that memory regression stuff
that was big, that started the Satanic Panic in the 70s.
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And I think it went into the beginning of the 80s,
which gave us great movies.
The Devil's Ring.
Race with the Devil.
Race with the Devil, another one.
Was that a Caridin?
Fonda.
Fonda.
Peter Fonda.
I get them a little mixed up.
I don't know why.
Warren Oates.
Loretta Smith.
I just had a thought.
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Uh-oh, didn't it hurt?
I didn't think about it before,
and I want to get in more about Jack later.
But what do you think was their setup for this show?
Because they obviously had a show planned for that night.
Did Jack think that this was all fake?
Was he just setting the show up to be like,
let's see what happens?
What do you think their idea of how the show was supposed to go?
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What do you think that was?
Well, Gus kept trying to ask him what they were planning.
He says several times throughout the movie backstage,
he's like, what is this thing that's going to happen next?
What is going to happen?
I need to know what's going to happen,
and no one will answer him,
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and no one will talk to him about what's going to happen next.
And I think that's like, is it planned?
Is it not planned?
Were there some things planned, and then it goes off the rails?
I think the moment for me where it goes off the rails
is when Chris Du gets hit with that last thing about Minnie,
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and he's like, oh shit, I didn't mean for this to be real.
I didn't plan this.
Oh my god.
And then it's all like, woo, we're going downhill from here.
Yeah.
It kind of reminds me of this show.
Off the rails.
The beginning of the show, they say tonight's guest Chris Du,
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and then Carmichael, blah, blah, blah,
the singer that never got to come on,
and then Lily and Dr. June.
Yeah.
But obviously the singer got bumped from the show,
but they even say the singer is going to sing some spooky medley,
blah, blah, blah.
Chris Du, obviously, this is his first time,
the way that Jack was acting about him being on the show,
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but he has a past with Carmichael on the show,
and obviously he has a past with Dr. June, but not Lily.
The first couple of times I watched it,
I went, I don't think any of this was planned,
but then when you start listening more to some of the stuff Lily says,
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and then also Carmichael even says it too,
like, you planned this, you planned this whole thing just for ratings,
blah, blah, blah.
So then I started questioning, maybe he was in the know,
and the producer guy, whose name I can't remember,
that looked so 70s with the curly hair.
Oh, he looks like the rapist from that 70s show.
Okay.
Danny Massey.
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Yes, thank you, Danny Massey.
The real rapist.
We should give him a shout out.
Why is he the one person?
No, boo, boo.
Fuck that guy.
Sorry.
I just didn't know what his name was,
because that was going to bother me, but thank you.
At least that's what we know him as.
Yeah.
But yeah, like earlier there was,
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like when Christo was starting,
that guy was a plant in the audience, right?
Like I can't remember the character's name.
Oh, Barry?
Barry.
He was a plant, right?
The two ladies were also a plant.
Oh.
Right, yeah.
Because somebody goes and talks to them,
and they had talked to Christo's assistant before the show.
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And then they had gotten some information from them,
but then Randy goes over.
His name's not Randy.
What's his name?
Carmichael.
Carmichael, thank you.
He goes over, and he's like,
so you talked to them before the show.
So yeah, he finds out that that was fake.
I knew it.
I knew it.
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Right.
Carmichael, played by Ian Bliss.
Fantastic.
Wonderful actor.
Fantastic.
From the Matrix, second and third Matrix movies.
And really, he makes a great Amazing Randy, I think.
Oh, he does.
Yeah, like I think he should play him in the movie, for sure.
Yeah.
What movie?
The Amazing Randy movie, whenever they make that.
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So you think there's going to be a documentary of him?
No, there already is.
There is already a documentary about him,
the Amazing Randy.
He's called an on-flyer.
Not a documentary, a biopic.
Well, no.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm pretty sure Timothee Chalamet will play him.
Look, I've had a few beers.
I know.
We should get someone to play them in a documentary.
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The documentary is just like the real person.
What if it's a time traveler?
This is a real movie, too.
Like, you know, real characters.
I mean, you know, we're all believing.
This is true.
You guys have drank way too much tonight.
That's all I'm going to say.
It's a weeknight, too.
Hey, yeah.
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Well, we've tried this to start this show three times.
So, I mean, literally, we've kept drinking.
Just has a bottle of Will It on an IV hooked into him.
Yeah, I'm just trying to get my arm, trying to figure out this stuff again.
Will It or Bolt It?
Yeah.
What else are we going to talk about, huh?
Well, I thought something I tried to talk about earlier before the podcast ended.
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I thought that, and I don't want to mispronounce his name, David Desmalchian.
I thought he did a really great job as the host.
He was like, you know, they made the big deal about him competing with Carson,
but you could tell why he was not beating Carson.
Like, he kind of had some confidence, but it wasn't like enough confidence to
really convince people that he was a genuine person.
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And he played that perfectly.
Like, there was a lot of nuance to that, to his personality,
and I thought he really pulled that off well.
Do you think they were trying to compare him to someone else that's, like,
modern day, maybe?
You know?
He felt a lot like Dick Cavett to me.
And I, I, Dick Cavett's like, okay, but, like, nobody's like,
(15:14):
ooh, I'm going to run home and watch Dick Cavett tonight.
Like, nobody's saying that.
Wait, Patrick, are you saying that?
Don't, don't say that.
I really don't remember Dick Cavett.
See, and that's the problem.
There's the problem with Dick Cavett.
That's the answer right there, yeah.
I watch Merv Griffin more often than I watch Dick Cavett.
Yeah, but that was in the afternoons.
(15:35):
It was in the afternoons.
Was Dick Cavett at night?
It shouldn't have been.
I don't know.
Because it's boring.
I don't think I ever watched Dick Cavett.
It wasn't a regular, it didn't feel very regular.
Like, it felt like sometimes it would show up.
Apologies to Dick Cavett.
I'm sorry.
You're boring.
Jack Delroy came across as, like, a, like, phony.
(15:57):
Like, it wasn't like a phony personality.
It was a guy who was just trying to get ratings.
He was trying to be liked.
And who has their dying wife on their talk show?
Right?
Yeah.
Two weeks before she dies, it's like.
Ugh, disgusting.
But then they mouth, I love you to each other.
And even that felt kind of fucky.
Okay, here, I got a question.
(16:19):
I got a question for you.
Come close.
No, we're waiting.
Come close.
Yes?
Do you think he knew that that was the price he was going to have to pay?
Losing his wife.
That came across me on the third take.
(16:40):
It came across you?
Yeah.
Right across my lap.
It was right across.
Directed movies.
I was, I started thinking about that on the third, third viewing.
And I kept saying, like, to myself, I'm like, is, would he, did he do?
Was he, and then Bob, did he even have something to do with her sickness?
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He knew he was going to have to pay a price.
And he knew it was going to be a big price.
What did he think it was going to be?
Well, the only reason I say that, because they mentioned that he did,
she didn't smoke and she had lung cancer.
I know you can get that.
You know, it's a possibility, but usually it's from like.
(17:20):
Secondhand smoke or something, but not.
So that's why it made me sort of like.
Okay.
Are you trying to set that into tone for us to think that way?
I don't know.
I didn't.
So I still, when I watch it, I don't feel that he fully understood.
That, that, that would be a sacrifice, but I could be wrong.
Usually I watch it at 11th time and go, oh yeah, he knew.
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Do you think that.
That's why we're doing this podcast is so that you can go into the 11th
take and say, ah, these guys showed me new enlightened.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Go into the 11th take and levitate.
Yeah.
I mean, well, we gotta, we gotta mention that Patrick.
Most out of every movie he buys and that he tries to get every single
(18:06):
cent out of it.
So this is how I do it.
And I didn't even buy this one.
Yeah.
It's getting all my value out of Hulu right now.
Thank you.
Shout out to Hulu.
Thanks Hulu.
I love Hulu.
It's all right.
Shout out to Hulu.
I had a valid question.
Hold on.
While you're thinking about it.
Thanks.
No, I forgot.
No, I'm just kidding.
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So I do feel like he kind of like made a deal with the devil.
Like it was.
You think he was conscious of that.
Do you think he thought about it in like a supernatural way?
Or do you think he just thought I'm schmoozing with these rich folks who are
weird and they doing weird things?
(18:50):
Well, think about the grove.
I mean, that's, that's the whole thing.
Like, does he think it's supernatural though?
Like, does he think that like, these are just rich people playing at
something or is there real like devilry at work?
Well, I mean, he's obviously seen the.
The, the ritual things that they did with.
(19:12):
At the owl head guy and all that.
So, I mean, do you think you would think like a men's only club that includes
politicians and, you know, if he thinks it's supernatural,
he has to know that he's going to have to sacrifice his wife.
He has to be aware that that's a possibility.
If he doesn't think it's supernatural, then he, he can't possibly think that.
(19:37):
Does that make sense?
That does make sense.
It does.
Yeah.
But I have a question about the whole, cause he,
and this is where I kind of like go against my deal with the devil thing
is that like, if he knew he was sacrificing, it didn't work, right?
Like he never got number one in the rating.
So what was the sacrifice and how did it pay off?
Okay.
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So I was having this conversation earlier.
I was trying to decide what was the wish.
What was the specific wish?
And I think the specific wish was,
I want to have the highest rated show.
It wasn't,
I want to be number one or I want to be the most successful.
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I think it was very specifically,
I want to have the highest ratings because that's what he got.
He had the highest rated one single show.
Yeah.
Interesting.
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
Yeah.
The fine print.
He didn't really,
it's always the fine print.
(20:41):
Like you can't just wish for more wishes,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know,
what is this?
The fucking monkey's paw.
Exactly.
Yes, it is.
What do you guys think about the,
the sort of the found footage stuff that it was in this,
because you know,
that's part of the basis of this story is that it's the show,
the TV show,
(21:02):
but the other is like found footage.
I found when I watched it too close,
I was very critical that they had more than one camera for found
footage.
The logic didn't always work.
Right.
That was how I thought about it too.
And I think that's kind of the thing that sort of the first time
watching it,
(21:22):
it took me out of it because I was like,
Oh,
come on.
They got multiple angles on this behind five rolls of film like this,
you know?
Like,
yeah,
I mean,
it was like they wouldn't,
and they wouldn't be shooting that if they were on set like that,
there'd be one camera running and that would be,
you know,
so.
Yeah.
Cause it's the seventies.
Yeah.
(21:42):
Now you're,
you,
if you have more than you have one camera,
you've done pretty well on,
on TV shows.
So that part of it just sort of kind of took me out a little bit
away from the story,
but I did like the whole,
what was the guy's name?
Sandor,
the guy who's the head of the grove.
Oh,
is that his name?
Zandor?
That's great.
(22:03):
Yeah.
And he was probably like balding and,
and,
and awkward.
Like he's really just a takeoff on Anton LaVey.
Who's,
who's the father of modern Satanism and who would show up as,
so I already talked about the devil's reign briefly,
but he was a technical advisor on the devil's reign and had a small part in
(22:27):
the movie.
So apparently some people in Hollywood were like,
Hey,
let's hang out with the guy who started modern Satanism.
I'm going to watch that movie again because I absolutely have it on DVD
and I'm going to look for him now.
It's hysterical.
Eddie Albert.
It's hysterical.
Oh,
I forgot about Eddie Albert.
Oh,
green acres.
You're a long way from green acres.
(22:49):
So having brought up like an actor that was in it,
what did you think about the casting choices?
Like I thought everybody did a really,
really great job.
I agree.
Everybody was believable.
I was thinking throughout is like,
I don't know what the budget was on this.
I don't know like where the idea came from,
but it would have been really easy to like put a star in it just to like,
(23:10):
you know,
market it and get publicity.
But I thought everybody,
like I thought the casting was perfect.
Like anybody else,
anybody higher profile probably would have taken away from it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think by being not super big stars that helped on that side of it.
So it made it more realistic.
And I think that works,
works,
always works with found footage kind of movies.
(23:30):
And we got to remember we're being,
we're second.
We're not first.
We can't have big stars.
We're not first.
We're second.
Right.
Are we talking about the movie?
I mean,
we're not second.
I would be glad to be second.
It would be nice to be second.
(23:52):
Help us get to second.
Yeah.
Help us.
Help us.
Both of you out in Zimbabwe listening to us.
Help us get to 28th.
I mean,
get to 100,
you know,
it's funny.
I can't find a budget on this movie.
So I know I look for it too.
And I never could find one.
It was all taken care of by the devil.
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Yes.
Wasn't that?
No,
no,
no.
I'm sure it was taken care of by some producer somewhere.
It didn't make a fortune at the box office either,
but considering its budget was probably low.
Well,
I mean,
you've gotten.
(24:33):
Where was it?
I mean,
was it?
I can't remember.
Was it a shutter production?
I think so.
Yeah.
So it was designed to go there so that,
you know,
they wouldn't have monster budget.
I think it,
I don't know.
That's something to look into when we,
and maybe some of the viewers let us know.
What that is.
I think,
you know,
all both of you are scraping.
(24:57):
Viewers.
Viewers.
Call our hotline.
No.
All right.
So AI says the budget was around $150,000 for,
for,
(25:17):
for visual effects.
Yeah,
that would be.
The facts I would imagine.
Oh,
I mean,
even though it's really not a lot of sets other than,
you know,
the other stuff that's,
but the,
there's not,
it's just,
it's gotta be a simple budget because it wasn't crazy on that
side.
Oh,
it says the,
the exact figures of the budget are unknown.
(25:38):
Much like.
Much like facts in the movie.
Yeah.
So I,
I really liked the scene where Carmichael did the hypnosis,
where you kind of,
you,
you kind of start wondering like,
what's real here.
Cause you actually see the visuals of the worms coming out of
Gus.
(25:58):
And it made me almost wonder like,
what have,
what else that we had seen that we thought we saw might've been
kind of fake.
But what,
what did you think overall of like that,
that hypnosis scene?
It was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.
I,
I thought it was very interesting in the way they did it.
And the way the audience and everybody was kind of hypnotized thought
(26:20):
was kind of intriguing.
I don't think that would happen,
but like,
I thought it was,
it was intriguing.
Part of me that took me out of it too,
but I did like the concept of it,
of how they,
you know,
everybody was caught in the moment and they were seeing it too.
Do you think it was too high a percentage of people who were like
(26:41):
hypnotized,
hypnotized in the audience?
because you're never gonna,
not everybody.
Some people are just not,
they say what they say,
like two people were,
yeah,
like two people out of like how many,
50 to 75 people out there.
Like,
yeah,
I think it was going to be more than two.
No,
there's,
there's more than that.
I mean,
I think I've actually done some research on this and I think the
(27:02):
percentage of people that can be hypnotized is like,
it's like five out of 10 people can actually be hypnotized.
I'd be 50%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But there's different levels of hypnotism.
Hypnotism.
Hypnotism.
Hypnotosis.
(27:24):
There's different levels that you can actually have.
And so you can actually be,
some people can be put,
like they can have surgery without any medicine or anything.
Putting,
they don't have,
I mean,
they can just basically cutting on them and they would be fine while
they're under this.
Whereas other people are not.
They would know.
Oh,
Lord.
I woke up in the middle of mine and I can tell you that.
(27:46):
You don't want that.
You don't want that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there is,
have you ever been around hypnosis?
Have you seen anyone hypnotize?
I've seen people,
I've seen people do it and it's interesting how some people can be
and some people can't.
It's funny.
I think it's like playing it up.
Like,
you don't think the people that say they've been hypnotized are just
acting.
No,
this was definitely not.
(28:07):
They,
they can,
I mean,
it's,
we're so,
we're able,
I guess our brains are able to process differently and every person
handles things different.
But in this situation that I saw,
I mean,
not everybody,
I would say they,
they had like 12 people up and I think they ended up having down to
like two that really were like deep and they could basically tell them
(28:29):
to do whatever and they did it and they were not setups.
It wasn't,
it wasn't like that.
You could just tell.
So did this hypnosis scene make you question what else,
like everything else that was going on?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
the fact that,
well,
I mean,
I think you have to buy into the fact that this is not really going to
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happen in some ways.
Some things that you're,
you know,
people are going to see these kinds of things in that.
But I think it also makes it entertaining and that was part of the,
you know,
the captivity of the story,
I guess.
But like,
are you thinking at that point,
like,
well,
June and her shit,
(29:12):
that shit was not real either.
Like I've just been duped.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
we're supposed to think that and that's why I think Lily says,
can we go back and watch the tape?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And,
uh,
she kind of needs that to move stuff forward there.
And then of course,
uh,
Jack,
she's mini the ghost of MIDI.
(29:34):
Yeah.
And,
you know,
all along when he's scrolling through the footage and making them go slower
and slower and slower.
And I'm like,
Oh,
he's waiting for her little head to spin around.
Cause that's what I saw.
Like I saw her face facing the wrong way and he saw something totally
different.
So like everybody's seeing different things everywhere.
(29:56):
Stuff.
Well,
you know,
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