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March 20, 2025 103 mins

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Jerónimo Mazarrasa is Program Director at The International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research, and Service (also known as ICEERS), which is a non-profit organization dedicated to transforming society’s relationship with Traditional Indigenous Medicines. He is also founder of ICEERS Academy, and creator AyaSafety, an online course for people interested in increasing the safety of ayahuasca ceremonies.

Our interview with Jerónimo is going to explore the vulnerability of increased suggestibility while the influence of ayahuasca (and other psychedelics), and the various harms that can can incur when one's facilitator that suggestibility is not handled with skilful care.

Throughout the interview we cover a range of different ways that facilitators can accidentally harm their clients through suggestibility; the relationship between openness and vulnerability; how "caring" and "lack of care" can exist simultaneously; how the isolation and clandestine nature the modern psychedelic underground makes cultural learning difficult; how a facilitator can learn what is harmful, with respect to suggestibility; and how participants can protect themselves from a lack of facilitator care—all with many anecdotes and examples sewn throughout the course of the conversation.

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Episode Breakdown

  • (00:00) Opening
  • (01:04) Introduction
  • (04:24) AyaSafety (code AYATTM for
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