718 AITA for staying up late talking to individuals?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, everybody, Welcome to a t pod.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Danny Vega, joined by two guests today back on
the show. It's Rod Dubondar Baboo and new to the show,
we welcome Julia Stone, la comedian podcast co hosts.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank you you for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's great to have you. Julia loved the bonus episode
we did. He really opened up and you guys can
join on Patreon, patron dot com, slash at a pod. Yeah,
it's a hot, hot Saturday here in La ninety six
is the high today. It's giving me feenex folks. So
you I was watching some of your bits of enjoyed

(00:39):
your coromedy for a while.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
But yeah, you had this, you had this bit about
being on a date. You know the date's a miss.
Oh yeah, but you also know that they don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, they have no idea.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
And one thing you said that we've talked about before
on the pod is that you give him an hour.
And I think that's very reasonable.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah. I actually had discovered a lot of people think
that's a long time to give someone an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
For someone that you know you're not into.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, there can't be I think, Yeah, I guess
I could go as low as forty five. But I
feel like sometimes in life, you gotta you mean, you
went out with them, you should come up with a
better process. But if you have to go and meet
up and go through all that, yeah, give him an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean yeah, this is a situation of uh,
he was attractive in photos and then he he's still
like it's not like the photos were inaccurate, but the
way he carried himself was with a lack of confidence. Yeah,
And I just was like, this is a no for me,

(01:38):
Like this, this vibe is a no for me, like
where it's something you can't really capture in photos like
And then as the date went on, I was like, yep,
this continues to be a no for me.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, can we get any more concrete than that? Like
is it It wasn't like that he was like hunched
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
It felt like a little like it felt like he
was shuffling his feet almost like it almost felt like
a child was walking up to me, like and I
was just like, no.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, man, yeah, shuffler.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah. Just it just felt like he had no confidence
and it just and you know, we've all been walking
for most of our lives. I would think that would
be the one thing that'd all be pretty confident.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
The feet.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, so it just, yeah, help your feet. If he
can't pick up his feet, how's he going to sweep
me off my feet.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'm feeling a little mortified right now because I I
I've been called out for not lifting my feet en up.
But it's really only specific shoes.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
So you think maybe this guy just had the wrong shoes.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I m the wrong shoes, but still that's kind of
a mess.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You're supposed to wear the good shoes.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, the lady, that's.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Very funny when you're like, you're walking like a fucking loser.
You know, you're dragging your dragging feet.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah. How was it brought up to you that you
were dragging your feet?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's usually like, oh, you walk weird, Like, do you
realize you're dragging your feet?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Is it men or women? I couldn't tell you. It's
been a lot I walked for I was very really
pigeontoed as a child, and my doctor's solution was he'll
eventually grow out of it. Wow, which I'm pretty sure
was not correct. I'm pretty sure something, a little bit
of something needed to be done. I have really tight hips,
really tight hamstrings. So yeah, fuck my doctor.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, sounds like it was a classic medical system problem here.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Right, But anyway, the BIC goes on, so you knew
the day was over. Then he walks you to your
car and you see him putting on chapstick. Oh no,
he's going to go for a kiss. And then you say,
you know, men walk you to your car walk a
woman to her car because they're to protect you from

(03:43):
harassment or an unwanted advanced.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And wanted advance.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And then he puts on the chaps sicks and they're like,
you literally become.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
What you're protecting me, protecting me fare you're the threat now, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, And did he make the move?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think I pretty quickly went in for a hug
and then removed myself like so like I kind of
played defense to make sure that that didn't happen. Premptive struss,
Yeah exactly. And then he texted me a couple of
days later, just spent like checking and like how are
you like blah blah blah, And I sent him a

(04:19):
very nice text that actually with my friend. It was
a template my friend used when she was not interested
in oh.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, let's see the.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Two compliments and then okay, but here's the real lie.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, no, it was really nice. It was basically like, hey,
you seem like a great person. I just don't know
that we have enough chemistry to sustain something like, so
it's like not about you as a person, it's about
like us together. Yeah, and so sent that to him. Yeah,
and then he tried to pull the Oh yeah, I
just didn't want to ghost you, but I like, and

(04:56):
I was like, ghosting me would be if I texted
you and you never respect you reaching out? Is you
reaching out?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Like? But it just reaffirmed of like I've made the
right I hate when people do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
So I was like, are you walking right now while
you're texting shuffling?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Shah? I hate when people do that so defensive and
gross and delusional. Yeah, and just take the l Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Just feel like, hey, thanks for not wasting my time, Like,
thanks for like letting you know that's how you felt.
Now he can we can both move on and find
someone more compatible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Nice. I like that you had to use a friend.
I mean, I've run it. You want to you wanted
a breakup text to be gentle you know. Yeah, especially
as a woman. It's dangerous these psychos, for sure. So
you also tweeted this, which I found fascinating. You wrote,
I can tell I've been dating the same type of
guy because at the end of each relationship, I've walked

(05:56):
away with a new electronic. Yes, now I'm a bit
of an electronics hoarder. It's something I'm working on. But
what I've never given a woman an electronic to not
give a girl.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
So you've never known intimacy, You've never known love.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you guys want to see my HDMI cable collection.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Give a bitch an air purifier.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It changes every air purifier.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I actually would love an air purifier.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I thought about getting more.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I have one you need in one house. He's like,
damn his airs.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
He must be a good guy. Yeah, so this guy
broke up with you and gave you a what he
gave you, I had multiple relations What a router?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
A router? Actually, that is part of it. I forgot
about that. I did get a router out of it.
I have gotten a router, two laptops, two televisions, a
sound bar, and the like stereos that came with it.
Oh and a uh a PlayStation four.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
All right, so either you're doing the cool thing and
stealing at the end of these relationships, or what have
these men done?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
These are not being handed to me at the end
of the relations like these are being given to.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Me during They're like, oh, I like that men giving gifts.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I like that giving gifts that they would have wanted.
And I'm like, all right, I guess I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I guys, do this. This is a move. Guys do
I have two friends who've done this. Do you know
what a one wheel is? No, it's an electric skateboard
with one wheel, not a unicycle that's down the middle right,
it sideway. It's like a snowboard. Okay, So my friend
who got me into one wheeling, he bought his wife
a one wheel and the idea, of course, is that

(07:43):
then you can one wheel together. Problem women and one wheeling.
I'm sure there's some And by the way, hit me
up if you're one ladies, but that's not really Chicks
don't like it.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
They're more of a four wheel kind of gender. Bitch
is like a car. That's the I feel like, generally,
I'm going stereotypes here. Stereotyp I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean, I feel like stereotypically women don't my driving
this passenger princess. I feel like that's kind of true.
But how would you respond to a one wheel gift?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I mean, any gift that is about your hobby instead
of mine is a bad gift, A bad one. Yeah,
that's fair, Like if you want to give me that
gift and not call it a gift, you know, like
like if you want to call it a gift for
yourself of like, hey, I was hoping you would do
with this with me, I got you one. Would you
do this with me? Like then that's fine.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
No, I don't know that it's fine. No, no, because
there's a pressure with that.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
There's a lot of com It's not an eighty dollars thing.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think it was framed more exactly. It was frame
more like, hey, I got an extra one wheel. It's
yours if you ever want to ride it. That to
me doesn't feel like I'm applying pressure. Yeah, But if
I say like I got it for you, I see yeah,
it's kind of like, well, you gave me something that
costs a thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Oh I didn't know that these were a thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
A thousand is a cheap one.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You want to see my hope, that's very different choice.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Terrible.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I could see that. I was thinking an eighty
dollars situation.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So clearly we're an electric scape.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
But you don't know nothing.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I don't know about the pricing, all right, So this
guy got you a PS four.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
No he often what happened is they were getting themselves
the newer version. Yeah, and I'm getting like a hand
me down.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And you're a gamer though, right, so no, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean I will play a couple of games, but
I would not like classify myself as a gamer.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, So I'm so happy you have self esteems so
sorry to my gaming listeners. I know some of you
are into it. I played Blatro was game of the year.
I like that one, so okay. Yeah, no, I think
I think I've done that and I don't know. That's
like a hand me down. But I think you're right,
it's not a gift. It's stilly to classify it as
a gift. It doesn't have to be pressury if it's

(09:55):
a hand me down. Yeah, I mean I get my
brother all my old electronics.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, I will say sound bar system was a gift.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I like that sound bar.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
I'm pretty sure Christmas gift and I was like, this
is for you, This is absolutely not It was because
he didn't like the sound of my television at my apartment.
So he has a gift. Yeah, that would you like
his number?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
That is near psychotic, you know what I mean. That's
like getting you INVISI lined.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's like I got you this, uh gift certificate to
get your hair dyed this very specific color.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, I mean I'm happy you've got
some good scores.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, it was nice to not have to buy a
MacBook for many years.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh, give you a MacBook. Yeah that's okay. Some of
these are definitely gifts, though.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
MacBook.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I mean, but again, like it's it's being given to
me because he's no longer using it.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like that's a different then, I guess I hand me
down doesn't really feel that good. Yeah, but I'll take it,
take it.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Interesting. Yeah, we haven't talked about that hand me down
as a gift, I mean a used gift. There is
something about new I hate consumerism. It's like you give
someone something that's been used. It's like, yeah, it's like
thanks for the old.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Unless it's been like really it's like eighty years old
or something, and then its awesome again.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it's got to be old enough to be new really.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, but this is more of a reflection of like
I'm dating too many people into tech and gear. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well but it's a blindness too. I mean it's kind
of like, yeah, it's it doesn't feel like a thoughtful gift.
I mean for me, I like the thoughtfulness of it.
If someone gave me a hand me down whatever, but
they gave me a letter that can hit hard. Yeah,
you know. I mean, I'm sure we all pretty much
line up there because we want to be seen as artists,
you know. Yeah, so it's like that's so meaningful.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah yeah. When someone gives you something that's meaningful to
them but means nothing to.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
You, it's like a self centered yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
But at least but they are practical, very practical of them.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, so these are some of your dating stories. I
dig it, I dig it ro Do you got any
talking points for us today?

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Running my new show this thing called free Wheeling, which
is where I get on stage with other comedians do
their act together. We riff a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
They do their normal acts, which they would normally do alone.
Now you're with them.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yes, Usually we've corresponded beforehand and we're like, but you
don't know the material they're going. No, I know that.
I usually know. Usually I'm like, tell me what jokes
you're gonna do. I'll bring it up. They'll be like,
you know, I do it like the most ham fisted
seventies Johnny Carson panel. I'm like, so you've been dating again?
I have People are like, how did you hear that?
That's a fun you know, that's my classic.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I would say, well you were telling me about yeah, yeah, yeah,
well telling me. I asked you what you want.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
So it says here whatever, yeah, and I'm see you guys.
There's no good way to market stuff in LA besides
spending a bunch of money or up doing something shitty
scan Yeah, you know, and I've opted for the second obviously,
I don't, you know, no surprises there. I work with
this guy who's like a bringer producer, you know, so

(13:11):
everyone has to bring every person that does the show
has to bring three or four people and sell tickets.
It's beneath them. It's beneath me, but I don't make
any money. That's my like weird concession. I'm like, am
I at least not the asshole there? If I'm like, well,
we're both losing money on this. Like actually, the Bringer
people make a third of whatever they sell. If a
ticket costs fifteen bucks, they make five or something.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I understand that. I would say. I would say,
I mean bringers.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm very opposed to rings.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
We're good, we're going to comedy town, which people will
complain either way.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I try to bounce it out by like always having
like some famous people on the show or something, and
they're confused. They're like, why why do you have six
mentally ill people on this line? You called in your
favor for this. I'm like, I know, I'm trying to
start something.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I don't think there's anything wrong with bringers.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well, here's where it's audience.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
What a bringer is? A bringer is? I'm sure you
guys have a friend who has done a bringer. A
bringer is I'm doing a comedy show. It's your friend
who's done comedy.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
One time or music.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Honestly, the comedy classes do the same with music, and
they have to bring well usually like five people, three
to five people. Tickets are off in twenty bucks and
then you got to get two drinks at a comedy club.
And Camias don't like them because.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Because you're not being booked on your talent, you're being
booked on if you can fill the room.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Fill the room, that' said.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I used to get booked on some bringers, but I
didn't have to bring That was a pretty good deal. Sure,
but the shows are kind of terrible, not just kind
of suck, because audiences aren't fans of comedy, they're just
friends of the people who are doing comedy exact first time.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yes, Well, the part where it gets really weird is that,
like some of these people are upstart, young great comics
that I'm like, oh, it's cool to invest in you
at an early level, right right, I'm going to try
to help you as much as I can. Introduce you
to bookers, and some of them are like generally like
whack pack three point zero, like, oh, you just couldn't
figure out a way to get to Austin, so you're here.
And what sucks is that, like I don't want to

(15:04):
shoot on anybody necessarily, I want to collaborate and do
like I'm the point guard and you're let's set you
up to but when they can't and to get a laugh,
I have to turn on them. That's what the room
loves the most unfortunate, and that's like what I get
the most feedback on. And the people are like, oh,
you got to work with that guy, that crazy guy
that just keeps telling you all his off I'm like,
I don't want to be that thing at all, but

(15:24):
that seems to all the conduits to success that I'm.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So much more in on watching that show.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I know most people towns, people that are even like
that should just be the show. It's just you talking
to mentally ill people. I'm like, well, that would destroy me.
That would like Oh, there's shows like.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
That, bro, like shows where people hire people off Craigslist
and then it's just like presenting their shit.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I could do it for like twelve minutes. That's literally
what I have the yet, But most of the time
I want to talk to my funny friends about other
funny things stuff and more so if I leave.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
It was one of the craziest things someone.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Said just kept He's like, yeah, I was dating this girl.
She was always rid into like stabbing and cutting me,
and I was like why we wait, what do you mean?
And she was and he was like with scissors, and
I was like, that doesn't I made everything worse. I
made everything less specific. And he's like I was like,
did you have to live with these people or something?
Because he was like telling me that, like it was
her and her friends were always like stabbing him or something.

(16:20):
And I was like, this sounds like jail. What do
you mean, Like why are you in this situation? He's like, yeah,
I needed a roommate or something. I was like, so
you weren't even dating this person? Like every part of
the story made less sense. Yeah, and obviously the crowd
is dying laughing, but I'm it feels like I'm just
talking to someone having a mental health crisis, right, And
they came to open mic and still instead of.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Social worker, the open mic was five dollars.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I met this couple at a at a party. This
is like four years ago, followed them both on Instagram and.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
One of them is.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like one of the most ripped women I've ever seen,
just like perfect, and her wife is it has a
cannibal fetish.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I don't know, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
She's actually eaten a person. I don't know how it goes,
but like she's very It was like the kind of
thing where she started telling me about it. I was like, so,
this is a bit. She's like, no, it's not a bit.
This is something I'm really interested in.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's like an Arnie Hammer thing.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah. I think she had eaten a piece of someone's
leg or something.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Where did she get the leg?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think there's like parties where they because there's you know,
for every person who hasn't eat people fetish, there's someone
who has a get eaten.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Humans, But it's just weird because I follow their Instagram
and I'll be like, it's a cute couple. Oh yeah,
she's a cannibal generation.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's amazing. After one interaction, you got that information.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I was like, man, I want to know where your
life goes. No, I get that.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Her telling you after a little thing about me, Well yeah,
she's really leading with that. She's like a.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Cute, sweet girl. So for her to say this, I
was like, you're just saying crazy shit. You're being funny.
She's like no, I'm like it was like one of
those things where I was like I'm not actually like
you're lying, You're lying.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You're lying. She's like I'm not. She's like I love amputees,
like I don't want to kill anybody.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
She just wants to slowly make them more and more.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, amputees, that's a hand me down. I want a
fresh come.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
What is this fucking PS four? Whot me down?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
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Yeah, I love it, but.

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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
First situation, it's a quickie Aita for not waking up
my roommate for his job interview because he's irresponsible. My
roommate had a job interview. He wouldn't stop talking about
night before he stayed up playing video games until three,
apparently didn't set an alarm, and told me I'll wake up,
don't worry. Spoiler he didn't. I got up, saw him

(19:21):
still asleep thirty minutes before his interview, and decided not
to wake him. I figured, if he can't handle setting
an alarm for a life changing opportunity, it's not my
job to save him, and he will need this as
a lesson. He missed it, and he's blaming me for
a quote not having his back. I told him I'm
his roommate, not his mom Auntia.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
No, I think he handled that perfectly.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Cout and dry. Yeah he knew, though doesn't Matt would.
So you're going to be the enabler. Oh, you got
this job? What about next time? What about the time after?
Let me get the crackpipe out of your mouth?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah? Is he going to do the job for him too?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I know, Buck, he knew the roommate's a mess.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
No, the roommate needed to learn, and he knew that.
I'm sure this is not the if this was the
first time that this guy made a mistake. Sure, yeah,
but there's someone who has the confidence to not set
an alarm, is making a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, that's funny, that's a pro move. No, my roommate's
got my back. What the fuck, dude, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
That's someone with no accountability.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, you guys surprised me. I thought we had some
kind of debate here. The top comment went info is
it consistent or one off? If your roommate is routinely
doing things that make you feel like you're his mother,
then I absolutely understand this is the straw that broke
the camel, especially when he was confident. But if it
was sort of a one off where he got caught
up in the excitement, figured he'd wake up and it's
for the most part responsible or a good friend and roommate,

(20:49):
I think it was probably not a great option to
not wake him up.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I don't think so. I here's the thing you're not
going to learn from getting bailed out up.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Agreed, You have to experience.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You're not gonna get better for Yeah, you got to
have worse things happen. Then you're like, I don't want
any more of this worse. Yeah, this is bad.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I also think that if you were truly just excited
about the opportunity and caught up in the moment, you
would still have the wherewithal to be Like, but let
me be extra safe and set an alarm.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
What are you seventeen? You're like you pre gamed and
fucked up the thing. This is like an eighties movie.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, I set an alarm when I have to
be somewhere at noon, Like you know what I mean. Like,
I'm just like I need to be on top of.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Slit my mind exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
My calendar system, legendary five notifications for every event.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
We're gonna have to look after our color coding, see
where we want to know you color code, color code,
and fancy like this is work, this is personal, this
is comedy, this is my life.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like, just forced me to use a calendar this year,
and I'm still like, it's like when you get water
on a cat.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I'm enabling. I mean, we're on due time and I.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Lie, I lie. Yeah, he tells me that earlier.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
We all have a friend like that that we have
to lie to.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But no, we can do you know.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, but no, I absolutely think let this guy learn
his lesson by missing his thing length.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I think you're right. Where does it start? Where
does it stop.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Where do we come from?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Where do we go? Yeah? And it would be one
thing if he was like said to him, hey, man,
if on the off chance I'm not awake and you
see me, could you wake me up? You know, like
this guy had so many potential contingencies to make sure
that he was awake, and he chose to be careless
with it. And then he saw the consequences of that carelessness.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
He chose the dice game.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know what. I laid down the hall recently with
a friend. Yeah, I uh yeah, I left. I left
a bowl at our house and I said, bring me
my bowl. Now. I brought the ball, doing a favor
for her. Okay, she said bring fruit to my party.
I got any fruit, said no problem. So I felt
and it was a brand new bowl for my Kia
bamboo beautiful ball. Left the ball at her place. You

(23:10):
know the party, I mean the party wasn't still going,
but it was like still set up, you know. So
I slipped my mind. I said, hey, do you bring
the bull? She goes, Oh, I'm using it for something whatever.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I bring it up again.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Bring me my bowl. She goes, You're a bowl nazi.
Send me a reminder day. I have ago, no, bring
me the ball, and she brought me the bl There
you go, and you know what, I love that bowl.
All you guys see it after I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, you know you're.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Right, And I actually think, uh, you're nailing it. You
can't enable, you can't enable, you just can't let it go.
But so what should I tell Rod? Do you the
honest time and let him be later? How do I
how do we? How do we handle the late? Why
is the lateness thing okay, that's it's not okay.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
But guys, you said you were not born here but you.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Were raised Yeah, my black people.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I feel like that should be addressed it though, But.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think for me, the reason it doesn't bother me.
If I said, yo, rodu let's get lunch and you
were half hour late, I'd be like fuck you, But
you're not. I mean, I'm at my house, not putting
me out by being late, you're actually putting the guests out.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And you did.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You did apologize to Julia when you showed up late.
You didn't apologize to me.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Because I'm always like telling you, I'm like, I'm trying
to get here on time. I have no idea how
long it takes me to get here.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, the answer is longer. Yeah, it's just longer than
whatever you estimate.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, it's more like what consequence could we put on
Rod to be like, okay, you were late? So now
what do we just start filming with? Regardless? And then
halfway through the podcast he enters.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Always here last minute. Yea, not a thing. I turn
it on people. Okay, this roommate guy, he has no
he's always this is. It doesn't affect or benefit him
in any way or whatever. We have to collaborate together.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Oh, you want to just skip over the part of
us talking about you.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I do bring it back to me. This is my
my more. There's a dirty stereotype that certain groups of
people are late, all right, and I try to be
later than that to correct the stereotype. So it's progressive
late now exactly. Okay, Yeah, so if you address it racists.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
There's really no reason for me not to just lie
to you because you've shown up here very early and
you didn't see myfted or annoyed or anything. So I'll
just lie.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, you know, that's also one of the rules on
the pod, right, lying is better, you know what?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
You know what I would make him on time if
you charged him for how late he was, Like every
five minutes you're late, you own five dollars?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Like yeah, actually, had you left five dollars? You're under
that plan. That's true. I forget it, get it, get
it right now.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm waiting for it to invest.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's going to sprout, sprout, all right. Well, I think
we're lined up here.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I mean, yeah, I think this is good. I like this.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
This is a short, simple one. But yeah, it's kind
of a parable about like going to enable once. Don't
get caught in it. Let them experience consequences. It's done
your fucking business, not your job to wake him up.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
And the more you make it your responsibility, the more
they're gonna assume it's your responsibility to.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like, wife live, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Consequences are the best teacher. A. I t A for
not waking up my roommate for his job interview because
he's irresponsible, and TA he blamed him. I guess is
it not the I don't know if he's the asshole
he missed the job. I feel like it's time serves.
You got a good punishment and he got the consequences.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I feel like but he the guy who's blaming
him is the asshole for blaming. For blaming, is not
taking the account like he's gonna be telling that story
for years about how he would have had his dream
job if it wasn't for that guy not waking him up.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Truth, guys, he's ready to subscribe to man Patreon. Here
we go. Second story of the day. AI t a
for staying up late talking to individuals when my wife
wants me to come sleep sleep. I spend a lot
of time on my video game. I have a regular
group I play with every night, probably five hours a night,
after getting off a second shift job around ten PM.

(27:04):
My wife doesn't have a problem with my video gaming,
but she gets really frustrated at sleeping alone every night
and wants me to come to bed earlier. She says
she feels like my quote unquote game friends get way
more time with me than she does, as I often
stay up until three or four am. While I get this,
she is just sleeping, so I don't really feel that's
valid here. Recently, she has gotten upset because I've been
spending a fair amount of time discussing builds and game

(27:27):
strategies and private messages with the solo female. I also
will group up with this female to accomplish things in
the game, but sometimes just the two of us and
we'll have a voice conversation while my wife sleeps. My
wife has no problem with me being in a group
of trio, but has told me she's uncomfortable and doesn't
feel it's right I spend time with her alone. I
don't think it should matter because we only discuss the game.

(27:48):
My wife brings up a specific instance where I ignored
her call multiple times because I was helping playing with
the other female, and says that because of that, she
doesn't want me one on one. My wife tells me
I went to bed. I want that if I went
to bed alone every night while she was talking one
on one with a man about her hobbies while I
sup that I would hate it, but I don't really
feel like I would. My wife constantly asked if a

(28:08):
married man be up talking in private messages voice chat
solo the female night while his wife sleeps. But I
feel like it's fine because it's game related. AI ta
for ignoring my wife's comfortability and continuing to play one
on one with her.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, you suck. It'd be one thing if it
was a job. Okay, I can see that argument for
your job, but you're like one night a week you
can't go and like lay still while your wife's falling
asleep and then sneak out and start playing Overwatch or
whatever the fuck?

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Like yeah, yeah, and five hours a night is insane,
Like that's.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I'm operating that. You're not even cheating. There's nothing even
us that still sucks. You're fucking up that time insane?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Do you and uh do you and your wife go
to sleep at the same time?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Almost never. We have this fight all the time too.
But I have the fight, not even necessarily fight. I
have to I have to be like, look, I don't
like I'm on comedian sleep time or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I imagine she falls asleep at eight three.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Sometimes she just powers down if if it comes down
to it.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Wow, you know, it's not a surprise to me that
it's caused tension. So how do you meet her?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Here's the thing. My wife will wake up because I'm
not in the bed. So that's part of I think
what this lady is like when she's like, hey, you're
not spending time with me or whatever, and he's like, well,
you're just asleep. She's like, yeah, I need you for that.
I don't care if it's godependent or whatever. That's what
I wanted to live in partner for. Yeah, so there's
just some nights you got to compromise. For me. Most
of the time, I'm literally doing nothing. I like reading

(29:29):
about the privatization of Czechoslovakia, and I'm like, I could
do that in bed, that's you know what I mean. Yeah,
but if you can't like slip away from your game
friends for a night or two in a week, it's
like you're either addicted to the thing, or your life
is so much pain that you think you need this
consistent outlet or whatever otherwise things are bad, or you're.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Just also just not meeting your wife's needs. Like she's
expressing to you that this is important to her, so
even if you are kind of like, oh, well, like
I don't see why it's important, but she thinks it's important,
so therefore it is important to me, you know. So,
And it's like, yeah, just lay in bed with her
for half an hour and she'll fall asleep and then
you can get up and do your own thing. And

(30:09):
I'm sure she'd probably be fine with.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That, And I will say for a while, my wife
found that duplicitous. Really, She's like, you're putting me to
sleep and then wear you off to I'm like living room.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I'm twenty feet away. You can hear me breathe.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah. Like she because you weren't telling her that that's
what you were doing, like you just assumed.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It was fine.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah. Yeah, And then she was like no, no, no, there
was more rules to what I was actually wanted. To
some degree, part of that, there's more criteria and to.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Some degree she's like where are you? Just where are
you're going? I'm like, I'm it's just not asleep, Like
I'm not going to sit here, and it.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Is bad to, you know, continue to stay in bed.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
If you're not going to Dracula mode, just there fucking
I think there's a lot of different issues. One quote
I really hated that he said is I feel like
people do this. My wife tells me that if I
went to bed alone every night while she was talking
one on one of them man about her hobbies, that
I would hate it. I don't feel like I would. Well,
isn't that convenient for you?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right, It's like I think you would at least not
like it. Yeah, and I think you know, we've we've
gone along a lot about these about these boundaries. Obviously,
I do think men and women can be friends head
normally speaking, and women and men can be friends, of course,
but there is a reasonable time expectation as well. I mean,
five hours is a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, just there is.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
There's no way you're spending an equivalent amount of time
with your wife.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, where are you making this up? In the day?
Can you sleep until eleven? You fucking dirt bastard?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, And it gets to a point where it's like
you're literally not spending your life with your wife dog. Yeah,
you know, I think a little bit of distance can
be healthy. But what is that time spent doing when
it's bonding? It is bonding, yeah, you know, with someone else.
There's no work, there's there's no additional capacity. I mean,
I thought I have a lot, and I've kind of
built my life to work like this. It's like, can't
I don't really want it, I can't afford I can't

(31:58):
afford it because I don't have a wife or kids
or obligations, right, But you know, I don't want to
be inefficient. I want things to work together. For instance,
like you like you're a great example, Like it's great,
it's great to hang with you because that actually will
help me. I have shit to talk about with your wife.
We see each other at our social club, Like I
mean I have that with you as well, because you
know Kaudi And it's like, yeah, you want things to

(32:18):
work together. It's hard to build little islands of people.
And for me, this gaming example is such a thing
with that, Like, and I'm not saying it's wrong if
it was an hour, but it's like, what is the
point of these online friendships, Like it's kind of just
attached island and for it to be what is this,
like twenty five hours a week. Yeah, so much time
has no relevance to the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I will say there's something. The connotation for me is
that it's video gaming, because if it was like, yeah,
me and twenty five guys have to build this ship
from wood for some reason, I don't know why. I'm
like I kind of understand that more like the necessity
to accomplish meaningless tasks. Yeah, yeah, it's not even part
of it. But you're just like, no, we're collaborating. We
have to do this thing, we have to whatever.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Not for twenty five hours a week.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Not for twent five hours a week.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Now, well, look, I said, I played that video game.
I think one of the problems with video games is
it is a scale the game, but it's that's it.
Like gaming itself isn't really a skill. And to a
limited extent, it's like if you're building a ship or whatever,
or even skateboarding, it's like, at least it's physical exercise, right,
there's an efficiency there. It's like, yeah, it's not the
most efficient exercise, not going to the gym, but if

(33:23):
you enjoy it, you're getting your getting out, you're getting sun.
It's healthy. Yeah, And I think that's one of my
qualms with video games. Obviously, I think it can be
enjoyed in moderation. But it just seems like this guy
is not understanding, like this is just not a reasonable
amount of time.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And also, I my ex was a gamer, and it's
it's kind of known that people do get into online
relationships and like these this is not necessarily like not
necessarily that it's going to lead to really, but it's
not necessarily innocent. And you're spending so much time with
this other woman, yeah, instead of your life like is

(34:01):
not great, even if you don't have any romantic intention,
it's still saying I'd rather spend my time with this
other woman.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Being I think that's it. I'm like, you know, it's
very easy for me to say should should, for instance,
banning a one on one relationship. I'm like, that sounds
unreasonable to me, but that's a very understandable ban when
your needs aren't being met. Yeah, It's like, well, yeah,
that's just choosing over Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, And you're saying, my need to play this game
is more important than making you feel safe in our relationship.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah. And then we even have this example of I
ignored her call multiple times because I was playing with her.
It's like, so your game basically superseded me, just during
the most direct way, but.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
That part was crazy. She woke up, where are you?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And I do think that is the thing is when
like people play games with headsets, they're really like locked
into the game. Like there are times where like I
get migraines sometimes and they will make me really like
I will be throwing up ill. And there were a
couple of times in my relationship with my expert, I
had a migraine and he's in the middle playing games,
and then there'd be times where I call out to

(35:11):
him and he wouldn't hear me, you know what I mean.
And it's just like, bro, like how hard is it
to have like one headset off, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Or like?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
And I think there's also a thing where if you're
playing a game that's like I don't know the right
terminology for whatever what this is, but it's like you're
all playing together and it's like if you walk you
can't like pause, right, you can't walk away where it's like, oh,
it's such a bad etiquette to just walk away from
a game. And I'm like, your real life is more
important than this game. I don't care how many people's

(35:39):
game it affects. Like it's like it's childish to prioritize
this game over what's going on in your real life
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I have a story about this, so I think I've
told it before. But as many years ago I was
in college, this is the summer of Mountain New and
StarCraft two it had just come out. I was really excited.
It's a game like that. I think you actually can pause.
Nobody does it. It's not a thing you're playing online
with someone. It's usually one on one. It's fucking intense.
Every second counts. And I was there playing StarCraft and

(36:08):
my friend. I was living my friend. His dad had
come to install a new shower pain now my friend
and I didn't like this. Left. I was like, really,
you're not gonna be he for so I after while,
your dad installs this, Like that's.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Weird, that's weird to not check in with you on that.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, He's like, I'm going And I was like, okay,
his dad. I'm in my StarCraft game. It's getting heated.
I'm high on mountain dew. His dad drops the shower. No, whoa,
I heard it shatter. It shattered for time, like sh
you know, fifteen square feet of glass at least, and

(36:46):
the uh yeah, I didn't do anything. I was just like,
I'm in my game. He didn't yell, he didn't scream.
I was like, he's probably fine, bride dropped it whatever,
and uh yeah, his dad. I don't think I ever
spoke directly to me or conveyed very much. He didn't
like me after that, and I don't know if I
accept that at the time, but obviously. Looking back, I
was like, yeah, that was a fucking psychotic misallocation of

(37:09):
a human being who could have just been gore. It
was perfectly fine for what it's worth, thank god.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, but still I was waiting to hear if there
was an injury.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, he was fine.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
But it is right.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's childish, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
But I think that is the culture that you're surrounded
in where everyone agrees on this point, so like you're
the weird one almost for being like, hey, guys, know,
something in my real life is more important than this
game right now.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
They have so many like little quick things you could say,
like away from keyboard or whatever, but they don't have
one for like family emergency, right because those people don't
understand relatives.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, I think games, and I love a good video game. Obviously. Look,
I'm gonna play Grand the Auto six. I mean, you
cannot you ever meet someone who's don't play Grand the
Auto You're like you want to sit them down and
be like, you can't not though it's part of life.
That's crazy, do not play? You're looking at me blankly.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I've watched you guys. Haven't played Grand theft auto. I'm
a real criminal. I don't need to know.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
What it's like. You guys starts writing like you guys
just said to kill a mocking bird?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
What is that? Even the Bible? What are you talking about?
You read the Bible? Yes, they made me.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Pause.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's not like the Bible fun.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
You say the Bible.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Got a couple of fun parts, not very many, but yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I think there's this category of thing that, like, you know,
it's super super stimulus. You guys ever heard that phones
are an obvious example, or you know, in video games
like that, and they feel like an achievement. They feel
like you're doing something, they feel very important. But that
is the problem is that it's very easy to create
this gap between what is actually important, like your girlfriend

(38:57):
having a horrible migraine, and the fact you.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Might lose some bro. I'm right close.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I'm a premiere brom the highest level bro.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It is funny when you talk to those guys, they
are like, no, the purple sword is more important than relationship.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Right, Yeah, it's a path on happiness.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, but this guy too, He literally said, I don't
know how valid her feelings are, which already tells me
he doesn't respect her perspective.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Suck town.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, so I mean this really though, at this level,
I'm like, it's at it. You're an addict.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
You're an addict. I mean this is so much time. Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, it's like you have an addiction. And that's how
addictions work. Addictions tend to blind you to what really matters.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, which also to your point of like, if you
don't care that she's going to be spending five hours
with another guy every night, then you probably really don't
care about this relationship more than your video game.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So yeah, that's fair. ATA were staying up late talking
to individuals individuals. By the way, can we just talk
about the lie of that when might just individuals?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Uh coworker the ones?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, ones, when my wife wants me to come sleep.
I also feel like what you said about sleep is
very reasonable. That's a compromise thing I have read. There's
a study out there interesting at least that said, you know,
couples are much more successful when they sleep together consistently.
So but I thought your thing was very freaking reasonable.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Putting her to bed like a little baby, that's sweet.
That's what I do all the time. Yeah, that's sweet.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Has she come around like she is okay with you?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, So maybe it was just an initial shock for
her of discovering you.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Really, I think one of the things that you were
where you're like, hey, this is important to me, So
it's whatever, you know, It's like, logically you can't take
that at infanum because you go, hey, there's certain stuff
we have to survive, do this whatever. So like things
that are arbitrarily important have to be weighed out against whatever. Right, Yeah,
but if you make any effort towards like being like, hey,
this is important to you, so I'm going to show
you that by proxy important to me, all of a sudden,

(40:51):
people go, oh, well you can do a little bit
less here. I'm going to come towards you, like right, yeah,
it's really if you go one inch backwards, then everyone's
like did they take a footback?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
You know what I mean, like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
The more you fight someone on what they need, they're harder.
They're going to fight for what they need as opposed
to like finding a compromise.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Wisdom in the mids. But I think we're all agreed
that it's a whopping Yeah, you suck. Somebody wrote no
assholes here. I think I had negative vibe up votes.
They wrote women and not female. Other than that, no
assholes here. I'm doing the same, and I'm in a relationship.

(41:32):
I played till four or five in the morning. All
my friends are guys. Yes, sometimes I'm alone with the
god and discorder a game. There's nothing more to see
in it. Gaming is for adults too, and everyone can
have their hobbies.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
They're really overlooking how much time is being spent on this.
And also, I'm sure there are a lot more men
in gaming, So if you're the woman, it makes sense
that you're going to often be paired up with another guy.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I think so, and I'm honestly. I sent a
couple of people this post I saw yesterday. Anytime, and
I've done it too, and I'm learning anytime men are
like old fuck guys. All my friends are girls. And
anytime girls say all my friends are guys, bad sign,
bad sign. There's something shit.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Mulan Mulan.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I don't know the Mulan lore. She's my grand I'll
hear you.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
You've never seen Mulan.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, the thing is happening to me.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, okay, well now we know what you're doing with
the rest of the lady.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Her friends are guys.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
She's in the army though. That's the whole point of
the movie is that women are not supposed to be
in the army, but someone from the family is supposed
to be in the army, and her dad has like
some sort of disability, so she pretends to be a
man to join the army. That's the only reason before that.
I'm sure all of her friends were women.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
No, her friends were like a dragon or something. Eddie
Murphy is a dragons go.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
A.

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(43:18):
Aita for asking my partner's sister to reimburse our flights
after agreeing to babysit her toddler for a week. My
partner and I agreed to fly out to watch her
one and a half year old nephew for a week
while his parents go on an international vacation. Trip has
been planned for a while, and they asked her if

(43:38):
we could stay at their place and take care of
him while they're away. We both loved the little guy
and we're happy to help, but we're starting to feel
a little bit weird about how it's playing out. We
wouldn't be making this trip if it weren't for babysitting.
We're in saving mode right now and weren't planning to travel,
so we assumed, maybe incorrectly, that the parents would offer

(43:58):
to cover our flights since we're using our PTO and
giving up a week to help them out. Well, my
partner brought it up. Her sister said she quote wish
she'd known sooner, and that they're broke after paying for
the trip. Now there's an underlying tension, like we were
out of line for even asking. I've stayed out of
the convo myself. This has all been between my partner

(44:20):
and her sister, but I'm supporting her and we're both
starting to feel taken for Granted, it's not about trying
to make money, but it's hard to not feel a
little used, and we're doing them a huge favor and
covering our own travel just so they can go on vacation. Aida.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, it sounds like these parents are trying to go
on a vacation they can't afford.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, they have, they got a little scheme.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, because the partner, you say, the parents of these parents.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
The parents of the kid, that they need babysit. Yeah,
because basically they're saying, we want to go on this vacation,
but we can't afford the cost of what it would
be to have someone watch our kid because they want.
Like imagine if you were asked to babysit and they're like,
and can you pay us per hours? Like that would

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be wild, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Think, Well, to see their side a little, I think
they did say they could stay at the house, but
even house sitting is typically compensated.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Literally to stay at someone's house, right.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
And unless your house is a million times better than mine,
it's not really fun for me. I would rather be
at my own house, So you're still that that's how
personal I would.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I would if somebody's like, if somebody lived in a
cool city, I might be down to house it for
free or even cats it for free because I could
to be somewhere new. That's exciting for me.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, if it was somewhere you wanted to go anyways, Sure.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I guess I do kind of feel like this isn't
that crazy though, to ask my sibling, Hey, could you
do me a favor?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know, my wife goes to this all the time.
They always buy her flights, They always like something. They
buy her flights and they pay her and she's like childcare.
She's like, they're my favorite people, her nieces, you know
what I mean, because they're like still very close to it.
But like she's doing that time that she's not doing
something else, the earning money, spending your time doing whatever.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I mean like yeah, because yeah, they're they're not paying
them to watch the kids, so they're already saving a
lot of money on that, whereas like if you had
to hire a babysitter like or daycare or something like that,
that would be a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I think there might be a principle here, I'm paying
to do a favor for you exactly, And I feel
like there's nowhere around that. Even if they're getting the
house and it's a trip, it's like but I'm still
paying a.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Lot, Yeah, to help you out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Fun in your scenario where it's like you want to
go to the city, this is like that's like a
mutually beneficial thing versus like this is something that only
benefits the parents.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, well they get a little bit of benefit. But yeah,
I mean, look, it's a it's a one and a
half year old. I mean that's that's a lot of work.
There are fifteens, like make sure he doesn't burn the
house down, but he's one point five.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, that's little, right, But that also means he might
be sleeping a lot of the time. I don't know. Oh,
that's a good defense.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
They're a good kid. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
If you can give the better you feel like, all right,
that's enough.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I wonder why the parents aren't taking the kid.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
If it's so little work, then why wouldn't they take
the kid?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Right, there's really no argument that they want to make
sex on a boat or wherever they're going.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, it's going to be a drug filled week.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Top conved, went everyone sucks here. You're not asking about
reimbursement before agreeing and booking your flights. Your in laws
for not making the conditions more clear and expecting you
to pay for the privilege of babysitting their child. Lesson learned,
don't agree with anything before it's clear what the conditions are. See.
I'm struggling with that because I don't think any reasonable

(47:57):
person would expect this for free. Yeah, and if it was,
if that was the expectation, that would to me be
something you'd have to say, Hey, do you want to
pet sit my husky? And you could stay for free?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
But then isn't it kind of obvious if I said
that to you? Right, Let's say I lived in Seattle.
I said, Julia, do you want to stay at my
place for a week? All I asked is you pet
said my husky. Wouldn't be obvious that I'm not paying
your flight because I never said I was.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yeah. That's a scenario though, where again it would feel like, oh,
is this a mutually benefit, Like you would be asking.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Me if somebody who wants you know about us?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
No, no, no, But I'm saying, like, if I wanted to
go to Seattle, like then it would be like you're
asking me, like, hey, I'll give you somewhere free to
stay in Seattle if you're wanting the.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Same thing, and they have said, hey, hey, bro, we
want to We're going to Europe. We're wondering do you
want to come out stay with our Tristan, the little
one point five year old, We could stay in our place.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
But it doesn't like it's being explained that way. It
sounds like it's like, can you do us a favor
and watch our kids?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
But it's worse than that, because it's like, can you
do us a favor? But we're not going to ask
you for a favor. We're just going to ask you
if it already kind of works out for you.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, we're going to ask you as if it's not
a fair.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
They never said they were going to pay for the flights,
so then shouldn't they have inferred that they're not going
to pay for the flights?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
No, I don't think you should have. I think it
should have been a discussion. And that is the only
point where like they're like, op, like maybe like should
have asked that sooner, right, because like, also, I don't
know how much time has passed in between when they
agreed to do it and when they asked about flights,
Like has it been a few days, has it been months, Like,
what is the time frame?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
So I agreed, they agreed, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
But I think I think when it's clear that it's
to babysit, that's very different from house sitting or even
pet sitting to me, because pet sitting, I can still
leave that husky. Husky is a lot for sure. But
it's like if there's like a dog park they go to,
it's like, all right, I take them to the dog
park for an they run around, and then I can

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go be on my way. Like this one and a
half year old cannot be left unsupervised for any point
during this week.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I think, I think what this is because here's the thing.
If they then said they right, If they were like, okay, well,
if you're not gonna get our flights, we don't feel
it's fair, yeah, which is reasonable, then they would go, well,
now I are leaving us in the lurch. So it's like, so, really,
what you did was you set a trap?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Right? They put it?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
They put it in a trap. The parents going on
the trip kind of put them in a trap. They
didn't stipulate and basically like you know, they're they're formulating
the ask, right yea, And so they didn't stipulate it out,
and then the other people were like, well, it's not
really fair. We're not going to pay to babysit. And
then it's kind of like, oh, but if you bail

(50:51):
now you're fucking us over, which is manipulative. Yeah, because
if it was truly a fair deal. And they said, well,
we want to back out because we don't think it's fair,
and they go, okay, no harm, no foul, that's you're right,
that's like, no, now you've now you've tried to like
to put us at a corner, yeah, which is unfair.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, and they are already paying regardless because they're using
up their PTO to do it. Ooh, so like this
is actually they have multiple costs now of doing this
because unless that's how they wanted to spend their PTO.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
No one does, no one. Yeah, I think I think
what what I would do if I was in this situation.
I would And they said, you're gonna leave us in
the lurch who already booked flights outside. I won't leave
you the lurch, but you're doing me dirty here, and
I wanted to make up for it.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, let's get you on a payment plan. Let's get
this back like over time, Like.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Our society kind of makes it so that like you're
allowed to ask these unreasonable, impolite gestures whatever, as long
as you're super polite about it. Yeah, as long as
you go through the proper filters, you're allowed to like
ask the one sof an unseemly request.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Also as long as you're the parent because family. Yeah,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I mean I could see someone defending them being like, well,
they didn't know, they didn't think it through. But it's like, yeah,
they didn't they thought their own vacation through exactly. Isn't inconvenient?
It was selfish, self centered. Yeah, I think it's a
reasonable request. God, you're right, the PTO and PTO is not.
If you make a decent salary that's already a g

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easy for two people probab to grant right there.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
And also a whole week that's half your PTO for
the year probably.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Prior quarter.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Wow, they showing demography.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Somebody wrote NTA NTA or no top comment. Yeah, the
top comment was e s H. Yeah that's I.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Feel like the top comment is like assuming everyone was
like thinking it through immediately from day one. Yeah, And
I'm like it's on the person asking, I think to
think it through, not the person being asked.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, and like it's like what we were talking about
on the bonus, I think the contracts thing. It's like,
you know, an unreasonable contract is unreasonable. Yeah, it doesn't
like who's going to sit there and think of every
contingency and thing, and some of that only becomes obviously
as you actually start going through the motions.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, but you could actually even make this unreasonable request.
It's just they're not doing it at face value. They're
doing it at like coming out with your nephew do this,
or you're already going to be in town whatever. But
it's like you should be like, this is a tough ask.
I would love if you do it for me for
free and then we'll work up from there.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
They hit that, they said, do you want to come
to your nephew? I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
They hit it in a They hit it.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Because yeah, if neither to your point, and neither party
thought about this as a cost. If I was the
person asking, as soon as I realized that cost, I'd
be like, oh, yeah, that that's going to be a
big cost for you. How can we figure out a
way that is benef that works for both of us, right,
or like, is there any way we can figure something out?
But they're just guilt tripping them?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I think so, I think so. I think this is guilty. Yeah,
I think this is guilt tripping. It's manipulative. Anta for
asking partner sister to reimburse our flights after green to
babysitter tyler for a week. I'm at NTA and they
are Yeah, I think they're being dirty.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
NTA and they are sorry you're bringing the one and
a half year old to burning Man or whatever?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, yeah, I musto, like send your toddler to them, like,
I mean, I guess you probably have to fly with
them or some board.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
The kid, the kid, board the kid.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Bring the kid to the babysitter if you have to,
like why why does the babysitter have to come to
the kid?

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Speaker 2 (54:38):
Folks who go to wrap up on a I t
A for complaining about an employee participating in an adult
sports league recently signed up for an adults only sports league.
To be clear, it's a privately owned, for profit company,
not from the city or a government programmer, not profit.
Played volleyball first game this week.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I arrived, there's an.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Employee the league holding a clipboard checking everybody in. He
then explained everyone was assigned a team that had one
or two extra players, and for each rotation, the back
corner position would rotate out and swap with the players
on the sideline to make it fair. Made sense to me,
but when we started playing, I noticed the employee included
himself on the sideline for my team. He rotated in

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on the second rotation. I was a little confused. This
individual is being paid to be there and facilitate. Meanwhile,
I had paid money to be there and play. His
participation was detracting from my eligible playtime on the court.
After I asked if he participates regularly, he said yep.
To keep from getting board watching. That night, had an
email to complain to the league. I don't really care

(55:41):
if it paid employees board watching. The league responded, saying
I needed to be a good sport and enjoy the community.
I asked for a full refund, as I felt like
I was getting grifted. When I was complaining about this
to a friend, they said, I sounded like a Karen
Ata for complaining about an employee participating in an adult
sports league.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
This person sounds good entitled to me, like just crazy
like to not to care about five minutes or whatever.
It may be. The difference so that this employee can
be part of the rotation is wild.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
So you're saying the OPA sounds entitled. Yeah, Okay, interesting
they do.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I mean they're coming off very I don't know how
much fucking times, but maybe it's only fifteen minutes that
there are any of em playing a lot of these
games or whatever. So this is a huge chunk of
time that this employee is potentially displacing from them. But
they just the way they've gone about it is very
like it's hard to be on their team.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, I mean, even if the employee, let's say they're
taking fifteen minutes, right, that's fifteen minutes divided amongst everyone
else who's there, So it's like it's truly a matter
of minutes.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And sure, we'll say, let's say they took how much
time do we think maybe they were playing volleyball? Let's say,
for forty five minutes and the employee took what five
minutes of that? Ten minutes of that? Yeah, how much
Let's say ten. Let's say it's ten and they played
fifty Okay, so that's one six of their time.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I understand they're like they're bringing the money part into this.
You're being paid to be here whatever, if all things
are equal for some reason, I don't think you know
what I mean, you would care you just be like, oh,
that's part of what this It's not a flaw in
the design, that's just the design.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Of this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I think them being paid to be there is almost
irrelevant because it's like, well, you are an employee, like
you're you should know what the experience is Like. It's like,
how like if you work at Starbucks and they get
a new coffee, they're going to have you try the
coffee right like you're because they're going to want you
to recommend it and things like So it's like this employee,

(57:50):
I think should know the experience.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Of what it's like to be there to play volleyball.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
The only time I could see it as an issue
is like if you go to like go carts or
laser tag or something, and you're like, yeah, the employees
are way too good at this. You can't you can't
be playing with us, motherfucker. You're here all day. Yeah,
I think it's a year or something.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
I think if that were the case, that would have
been part of the story, and this employee was just
crushing up.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I strongly disagree with both of you. Wow, it's taken
a lot of will power not to start that sooner.
Let me try to, uh, first start off by saying,
we agree on the time that it's about one fifth
or one sex, but it's affecting their experience. They're noticing it.
Do you really think it's reasonable that the paid employees
answer is that they were bored watching. I don't give

(58:37):
a fuck with you're bored, aren't you a paid employee?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah? I don't think it's a great answer. Like I'm like,
you should have probably just kept your mouth shut on
that part. But they probably thought, Hey, it's a casual environment.
I can just speak like, but I'm like.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Kind of a casual environment, but it's not that casual
for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Business is making money. Yeah, yeah, you said it to
a customer right to there, customer.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, I'm a customer.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, but that to me is where the employee made
the mistake. Not sure the.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Employee made the mistake, but I'm this isn't a casual thing.
This is a business transaction that we're all playing it right.
They're they're then revealing that as part of their business
they make the experience worse by letting the employee pay play.
So their actual operations are making it worse for their customers,

(59:24):
isn't that right?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I mean I like that they're like in the beginning,
they're like, this is a private company. It's not like,
well it don't they have to be behold in any
kind of.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Flu be a little bit different. For instance, if everyone
was a volunteer, then this objection would make no sense.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
But what if I don't think that was a possibility.
I think it's just like a possibility it's a private
company or public company or the city that was the
three options.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Well, if it was the city, I mean, you know,
it starts to get to a point where it's like
if it's the city, it's kind of like how much money. Yeah,
it's kind of like how much money are they even making?
Like I don't know, I feel like if the money
gets it's the for a reason. That's a privately owned
for profit company. I'm like, yeah, so they make money,
good for them, Yeah, but like part of their business

(01:00:08):
is that I'm I'm being screwed over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I don't think I feel like being screwed over feels strong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Getting a suboptimal experience? Fair, you made me there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I don't know that you are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I'm there to play volleyball, and I'm not playing as
much volleyball as I can because their fucking ding bad
is playing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But I think that regardless, you're gonna have to split
the time with whoever's there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Can you give me that that's suboptimal given that I'm
playing for volleyball time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I'll think about it. But I also think to your
point of this is a business. So okay, so this
person is allowed to say I'm not going to spend
my money here anymore. But they're But their complaint is
that they brought it up to the company and the
company didn't want to change it, according to them, and

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it's the company's progative to not work on the whims
of every single customer who walks through the door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
That's true. It's that they're right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I think it's shitty business. If I was a company,
I would say, you're right, it'sun acceptable. But why would
we make your experience worse so that our employees experience
could be better. I don't care if you're bored watching
it go on your phone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I think the employee actually also really threw us off
with the like we're because I bet half the people
are like, we liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
This guy plays, I think, so I read there why
they like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Some people like they're like, oh this guy's good. We like, well,
I want a better guy on my team, or I'll
play against the better person so I get better. You
can find all kinds of reasons for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
That's a good argument. Yeah, that's a great argument.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I think there are benefits to him playing. So I
think that this person has decided that they don't like it,
and that's fine. Then you don't have to play there anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I wonder if the company give him a refund, because
they're only a Karen. If like, they got a refund
and they're still going around, I would give a refund.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
But I think your answer is solid. I would say,
we understand that the employee affects the total amount of
time you play, and that's a that's a valid concern. However,
we feel that's outweighed by the fact that the employees are,
first of all, a consistent volleyballer. I don't know how
important that is to these people. I mean it is important, yeah,
because it's nice to have a consistent you want to

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beat people, you have people to look up to, people
look down on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
It's like having an expert there. Yeah, it's depending.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, it could be an expert, but also just a
consistent Yeah, there's there's a nice nice part about that. Yeah,
But I do feel like the person's complaint is valid.
It's it's valid, it's understandable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And I also feel like saying board watching is unprofessional,
that's not a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I would concede to that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
That's a shitty reason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I also kind of wonder how joking they were when
they said that, Like we don't have tone or anything, right,
Like is this a fun guy who's like I don't
want to get bored, but really like he's helping people
and he's doing all these other things, you know, Like
how literal are we taking this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I feel like it was like their first time at
this volleyball thing, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
The kind of person that's like, all right, well, based
on this circumstances, immediate full reforce instead of just like
adjusting to it and bitching a little bit, like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yeah, that's we're even going back another day and seeing
what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Just learning a little bit about very interesting to me. Yeah,
I mean I'm like, I'm like, I have a natural
I've worked on it with time, but like, if I'm
insecure in a new environment, I'll have a lot of
hostile thoughts. Yeah, and the time I'm like, yeah, it's
just because I'm like insecure. Yeah, it's not valid, stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And that's how this person reads too. It's like they're
like you, why are you so upset about this two
to three minute loss of your time?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
People agreed it was ten minutes. Now you're changing the numbers.
You said it was ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Okay, sure, even if it's two to three, well, because
it was it ten divided by everyone, or you're saying
that I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Said that, we agreed it was fifty. They could have
played sixty, but they played fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Okay, So I mean you still played fifty minutes of
volleyball versus not playing volleyball.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, so I do feel like as a business, this
was valuable feedback. It was valuable feedback, feedback that should
be taken into consideration and explained. An explanation is very powerful. Yes, right,
And I feel like the volleyball night could start with like, hi,
I'm Chuck and I will be participating. We've found that
this actually creates a more consistent experience for the volleyballers.

(01:04:20):
And by the way, even though I am here as
an employee, I'm being paid. It's actually really cringe and
embarrassing that you as are adults who play ball. I
just going to let you know that's gonna compl But yeah,
I think that the business should give a refund because
it should have been explained. The answer was inappropriate. You know,
it was shitty. It was an unprofessional and did not

(01:04:41):
give a refund. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
I think we would have heard about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I think they got a refund. I think the person
are just complaining that they come off like a Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I would I would to give the refund right away.
I would have said, you know, we're going to speak
to our employee about that. That's not the correct answer.
I think they might have been joking, but these are
the actual answers, just so you know. But but ultimately,
I I think people need to be harder on companies.
And I'm going to tell you guys a story. We'll
see what side you teck. I stayed at the Best
Western Plus and Palm Springs. I hope you're listening closely

(01:05:09):
Plus Plus at five A. I checked in at midnight.
I was trying to be La traffick or I don't
want to drive out of LA. At five am, I'm
woking up by a lot of town, don't know what
it is. And at five point thirty again it wakes
me up. Now this time I'm out for real. And
I realized that someone in all black looks like service
attire pushing a cart on wide great serato tile and

(01:05:34):
I was like, that seems like the operations of the
hotel woke me up. And I went to the front
desk and I said, hey, did you have staff here
or whatever? They're like, yeah, maybe, what what's to you?
It's like your staff woke me up. We'll give you
ten percent off. I said, now you won't. You're not
gonna give me ten percent off?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
What did you want?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Am? I was I wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And what do you think I deserved.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I don't think you're wrong for being upset. I would
definitely be upset. Yeah, I do think. I think that
there is a customer service attitude in this country in particular,
that feel that people are like, if I am not
one hundred percent satisfied, I deserve a full refund. Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Did you feel like this was a nitpick? It's well I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
For you or for for them? For them? Yeah, I
think it's a nitpick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
You think it's a net. You think I'm nitpicking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
No, No, I'm talking about the am I the asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
So I'm talking about my ser So for you Western,
did I get that you clocked it glus?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah? Plus plusus plus.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Don't look at me when I say plus.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
It's just like what what you're expecting is like four
seasons Hilton whatever you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Think it's the expectation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I've spent so much money that, like, you cannot fuck around.
This has to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Hotel staff woke me up. Now you're reacting, what doing
pushing their fucking cart? I don't give a fuck what
they're doing. The emergency was no, it was okay, That's
what I wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You there had it been.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
That that's good if they were like, actually half the
building exploded and we were pushing one of the bodies. Okay,
that wasn't it. It was as part of their normal operations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
They admitted that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
No, they didn't admit that, but it was obvious. It
was obviously it was his thoughtlessness and a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Of problem a problem what he has to act this way,
whether like you have to act entitled to everything because
it's a negotiation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Oh yeah in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
So me, yeah, that story and the Royal you well,
but but I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Do think I'm entitled if I stay at a hotel
to not be woken up by the hotel staff at
five am. I think that's reasonable. And I think that
is why I've always going to take the side of
someone like this who's like, hey, your business seems like
it's being run shitty, because I think so much of
America is like, lay down and take it from the
big man. And I'll tell you that the manager there

(01:08:11):
said we'll give you ten percent off. I called Best Western,
and I was like, this is I didn't even have
to be threatening. I literally just told them what I
told you. I was like, the staff woke me up repeatedly.
Oh and I forgot this detail. They started vacuuming in
the lobby at seven and I could hear it from
my room.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I was like, you guys are literally making noises. Yeah,
like that, it's not vacuum time, bab right. Yeah, eleven
gave me four refund percent back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And I feel like there's an America pilled thing where
people were like, don't complain, that makes you a Karen.
But being a Karen is when you call the cops
on a black person. Now, when you complain about how
businesses run because you felt slighted.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, this is good feedback. I think I'm perfectly acceptable
of like if someone's like, you're a Karen, because it's fine.
I don't care. I won the thing. We have to
let go of some of that. You either get most
of what you want and then you live with that reputation.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, where
you're like, no, I need to be treated like a
princess and people need to think of me as working

(01:09:09):
class and rugged.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Or whatever the other like, well, you don't have to
lay down and take you know, corporate shit. That doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I also think to your point of your story. The
purpose of the hotel is for you to sleep there, right,
So like that was disrupted, thank you. But this woman
got I want to say, ninety percent of her volleyball experience.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Well we agree, Yeah, yeah, you're right, I can meet
you that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
So she's just saying that she was expecting one hundred
percent and she only got ninety. And again, that to
me is like, if you don't like the way that
you're getting this product from this company, go to another company.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Why not say something that could be She could say
something I said. I just don't think anything negative happened here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
It doesn't sound like she said something with the goal
of letting them know. It sounded like she was saying
something with this is unacceptable and that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
But that's right. Is it a right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Well. I think that also is interesting because it comes
with like a free speech right thing where it's like
people a lot of people when they say that you
have free speech and like I have a right to
free speech, think that means that they have freedom from
any consequence of their speech, and that's not the case,
Like you have the right to not be thrown in
jail for your speech. But sure, but you don't have

(01:10:34):
the right for me not to think you're an asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, but I don't think there's anything assholes did. They
didn't insult anyone. They said I don't like the way
you're running your business. I mean, the business could say
that's your right, you don't like it, this is how
we do it. But if they're a good business, I
think they would say, hey, I understand where you're coming from. Unfortunately,

(01:10:56):
we have found that there's a balance of factors here,
and maximizing the amount of time you play, actually we
have found doesn't make most people happy because people like
the consistency of playing Gary. People actually like to hit
the ball at his face.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Just an explanation, and I don't think there's anything wrong
with complaining.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I will say this, if someone told me we found
that you're actually happier this other way, I'd be so infuriated.
Someone used that language of like, well, actually less is more,
you don't know what you want, Well, I'm gonna get
my gun.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Yeah yeah, I don't think this person would have been
happy with anything that wasn't like you're so sorry We're
so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
You're absolutely right, Yeah, which is standard here, this is
in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Well you could say that you are right, this person
is right. They're like, if you want to play in
a volleyball league and all you care about is absolutely
maximizing your time, we're not for you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Like even Canada, it's known for their politeness. Try pulling
this shit in Quebec City. You're getting a bunch of
French slurs yelled at you. It's done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
And the ever complaining about a employee participating an adult sports league.
I'm fighting here for no assholes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I'm saying you're the asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
It's right, very very soft. Okay, can we get you
a soft that's a soft? Have an asshole, Julia.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
They had a bit interaction with the business. They complained
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
You're allowed to complain.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
It's just it's I personally read a lot of hostility
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
There's no fucking hostility, they said. I'm yelling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I also like, I like kind of the thing the
case she made her. She's like, you've only had your
experience degraded by ten percent, and you're like full refund,
there's no no flexibility, no whatever, you know, like the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
League responded, saying I need to be a good sport
and enjoy the community. I asked for a full refund
as I felt like I was getting drifted.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Yeah, I will agree with you that. I don't think
that that verbiage from the company. Again, I'm like, is
this what the company actually said or is this through
the filter of ope and what they decided.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
He said his participation was significantly detracting from my eligible
playtime on the core.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
That's hostile to you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I take I take issue with the earth with the
words significant and with grifting. Yeah, that's where I'm like,
this person drifting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah, Like if someone tells you something for like two
percent more than it's actually should be sold that, you're like,
you're grifting me right now. No, I didn't make up
old personality and learn your family's back story to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Sell you a house businesses that exists on the two
percent grift.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
My man, that's volume though, that's big exactly. Well, that's
how they do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
They're like, we'll take two percent from a million people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
A fifteen person volleyball operation a fucking grift.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
It's a micro grift, but a million micro grifts adds up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
I think The point is a microgrift is something you've
got to like, gotta like it just falls off you
like rain sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
All right, I don't think I'm gonna win Julia over.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
I take issue with the intensity of this complaint.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Fair that makes them an asshole? Yeah, that they they
alleged that it was significantly detracting, and then they felt
like they were getting drifted.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Think about this, if you're on the subway, you don't
you shouldn't be scratched, right, no one should scratch it.
But then if someone accidentally scratched it and you start
I've read scratched at the level of the way you're complaining,
everyone's like, I don't give a fuck about what happened
to you anymore, Like this is so disproported.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Yeah, it makes you actually like less like not reliable.
What's the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Like less sympathetic, likable, yeah, or like you need a
root for all of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
But also yeah, just like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Less christ like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Just like believable, you know what I mean. Yeah, it
just it just feels like you are altering the uh
terms of what happened to heighten them to such a
degree in your own favor that I don't really trust
your assessment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yeah, your threshold is different than society.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting question. Nonetheless, I understand where
you guys are coming from a TA for complaining about
employee participating Adult sports league. It sounds like you're at
YTA full throated WHITETA, you're at SOFTWAYTA. So I am
at NTA and the league is I feel like they're
running poor business. Board watching was a miss incorrect response

(01:15:18):
if he had said I'll get toe you later, or
if you had clarified layer it said hey, I said
board watching. But the truth is we do it for
X y Z. They should have given substantial reasons. I
don't need They don't need to give a full refund.
In my view, I think I can't meet you there, Julia.
That is an opinion that it is a significant distraction
or not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I think give a right to complain, you have a
right to ask questions, and I think people should be
more demanding. And you know, but if it was like
five dollars, then I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Why, yeah, we need to we need to stats on
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
It was twenty five bucks, I'm like, yeah, that's like enough.
Where I'm like yeah, I expect it to be like kind.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Of well done.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Well, it's a membership, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Signed up for an adult only sports league in my city.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
So I assume it's a membership fee. Yeah, which leads
me to and he's probably pretty cheap a right, this
is this is somebody who wanted the four seasons experience
at the best western plus price.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I've just you know what I've suffered from this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I joined a ping pong league and it was doubles only.
Who the fuck plays doubles ping pong?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah? Well, I don't know if you know this. Ping
pong very popular in China and they got a lot
of people. So China has people way too many, so
it makes sense that they would be like, let's double
up on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
No one know why you're hitting the ball like every
fucking ten minutes significantly detraction.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Get good? All right, Well we couldn't find the center.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Julia, thanks so much for joining us, Rod, do you
always applige plug away folks?

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Thank you that you for having me. Yeah, if you
want to follow me at aka Julia Stone And they
also run a podcast with Caria Sad, you can find
it at Kara and Sad Ghost Detective.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Check out the Executive Buffet, starring Johnny Pemberg and produced
by Me Love it all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Right, guys, that's up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Thanks, we'll see you next time. Bye.

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