Convention Special #5 - Salute to Smallville, 2025 - Always Hold On To Smallville

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Alena Huffman, I play the Black Canary on Smallville
and you are listening to Always hold On to Smallville.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville and this podcast
we've talked about each and every episode of the Young
Superman Show Never Happen two thousand and one to twenty
eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm myr Hose
Sack Morne. I'm joined by from Always hold On to Arrow,
Lance Laster and and we are here for Convention Special
number five because we have just attended Salute to Smallville

(01:15):
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, it's a lot of fives.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I thought about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
What I was, that's number one for me?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
There it is. Yes, so this is the second annual
Official Smallville Convention. But keV, this is your first ever
convention of any kind of anything. Yeah, so you're gonna
have a unique perspective on it. Lance and I went
to last year's Salute to Smallville twenty twenty four, so
we have that to compare it to. And we went
both days and we had a table again and we'll

(01:42):
talk all about that. It was a lot of fun
and hopefully those of you who haven't been able to
attend can feel like you're getting some inside info from
us who had boots on the ground here. Yeah, no,
because not everybody can go to these No, I don't
know why. I don't know, you guys allowed. We had
a whole conversation before we recorded about some of this.

(02:04):
Some of those thoughts you'll hear on Mike. Some of
them you will not. But you know, it's it's a
premium thing, honestly, to go to these conventions that are
all around the country. Looks like they're going to rotate
to different cities every time. We'll talk about where it's
gonna be next in the end. But yeah, I mean,
I guess the first place we should probably start is
you know, Lance, you and I went last year with
twenty twenty four. What are your thoughts on this year

(02:25):
versus last year?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, this one the new dynamic and involved in this.
We got keV, so that's that was super cool.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean, I like Matt better, but no, miss Matt.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Maybe we will have maybe at the third one, we
will have the core four all together, So that is
that is cool. This one, it was it reminded me
a lot of the first in a lot of ways.
I can see that there were some improvements made, still
some things that there's some kinkstill kind of work out
a little bit, but it ran pretty much just like
the first one.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
There's some noticeable differences. We have newer people here this time.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
It was very similar to the first they took. It's
obviously they took. They took and learned things from the
first one and tried to improve upon those those types
of things in this one. There's always to go because
we've been We're you and I at least are veterans
of congoing, So we can.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Can congoing yeashtag congoing. Can we get that? Can we
get that training? Hashtag congoing, Let's do it? Congo the
movie the first because you know, I love Jassic Park.
I'm like, oh yeah, this but it's gorillas. Yeah, it's
not that they had toy line and everything was nies
and their toy lines Grobo Cup Predator in Your congo
is rated our mature films. Hashtag congoing. That's what we're

(03:37):
gonna call. That's dude, that's a podcast right there. I
don't want to start it, but it's people that travel
around for good. A podcast sounds like an Amazon plus
always conoing.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Always that's a Disney Prime show that is gonna that
is going to be the the feature length type of
showing that we produce.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Always hold on to network.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's righting, Yeah, thats going.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
To you know what people have been asked think about,
like us being on YouTube. There's our YouTube is cooing?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh my god, why is this like a million dollar idea?
Sure we cut this out? You know, six months from now,
we're gonna we're gonna YouTube suggested videos congoing. It's gonna
be one of you guys out there stealing our idea.
That is what royalties that is briand though how is
that not a hashtag? How is that not a word?
How's that already a thing? Anyway? Hashtag congoing? Yeah, like

(04:27):
I said, we we've been to both. Now we tend
to be at all the small conventions and yeah, it's interesting,
like this is a good like I'd say, this is
a good companion piece to the first one. I feel like,
I mean, there were some things that kind of carried over,
but I think the first one did certain things and
this one did certain things. And you know, they're only
two days so far. Looks like make sure they're they're
adding a third day, which can be very helpful by

(04:49):
by spreading out the content, you know, the panels, the guests,
spreading them around as well, but mixing and matching them
at certain panels. So let's just start out, people get it.
Kind of a frame of reference here. Who was here
at Sluthorsmovel twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
First of all, Zach Moore of Always hold on to Smallville.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's he was there with a booth right next Tom
Michael rosenmo that's, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
But here's here's who is here? Tom Willing Yes, Michael Rosebaum,
you don't need to say yes after everyone. Christ and
Craig Yes, Erica Duranz yes, John Glover yes, John Schneider yes,
Sam Jones the third Yes, Elena Huffman Yes. I think
I called her Alana Huffman the entire podcast. I'm sorry, no,

(05:36):
Adrian Polecki yes, Brian Austin Green yes. And Eric is Sarah?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you ask yourself who is Eric Sarah?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
She's a very nice lady.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
She's great. Yeah, she understands her place and all this
does so to speak, had a great to see humor
about it. Yes, I appreciated it. I was. I was like, yes, what.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Look, most important thing visitor of They always hold on.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
A small little booth also true, also true, just walk
up and I never thought I was gonna say isis
again on this podcast. Thank you for your service, Kip.
We'll talk about Isis the more when it comes to
Erika Sarah. Actually some interesting trivia as well. Now let's
just let's talk about it. Erica Sarah she was in

(06:22):
three episodes of Small Velle as three different characters. She
was in Lucy as Lex's aide, she was in Thirst
as a sorority girl potentially a vampire, and she was
in Isis as Adrianna Thomas, who is the character Isis uh,

(06:43):
but did not become Isis in that episode. But interesting.
Sure be about that I want to get to as
we talked through the things. So if you're wondering who
Erica Sarah is, that's who she is. Glad she was here.
She seemed to have a great time, and again she
was very self aware of the fact that everybody else
here is the main cast member of recurring guest star

(07:04):
and she is just here. Shout out to Ereka Sarah
for being a good sport about the whole thing too.
So fouridness was a long way for me. So I
really do respect that. So keV, this is your first
not only your first small villa convention, your first convention period.
What are some of your impressions of everything?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I was pleasantly surprised. I I genuinely enjoy watching people
be happy about things. Make that happy. I'm a big
like don't don't young people's yum you know?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So I I really enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I I really enjoy watching people just like really basking,
like and like you know, unashamed of like what they
enjoy and stuff like that. Not that there's any shame
that should come in with being a small Ble fan,
but like, you know, just anything in life. So it
was fun everyone, And I think you guys are explaining
to me it's a lot different because it's like it's
it's just a particular thing, like this is just small Ville, right,

(07:56):
typically small villa typically just like you know, all kinds
of things going on around and everything like that, but
like just having something exclusively Smallville, uh, it being kind
of smaller intimate our setup was like, I don't that
was a great first con expani from me like, are
you kidding me? I was feet away from the stars
of my favorite show, you know, so like it was.

(08:16):
It was cool. We got to meet a lot of
cool people, got this, hear a lot of fun stories,
some of the stories I'd probably heard segments of on
YouTube clips and stuff before, but seeing it live was great.
And yeah, just just nerding out about Smallville. That's that's
why I'm here. Yeah, so yeah, great time.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Hell yeah brother, hell yeah brother. We we started saying
that all to each other this weekend. Yeah we and
I think it's gonna stick. Oh yeah brother. So so yeah,
let's just kind of let's talk about us. We had
a booth as we did last year, and again we

(08:53):
we just go there to promote the podcast, do some giveaways,
have some fan interactions, and you never know where your
booth's gonna be. So last year there was just like
a long hallway, yes, and we were at near the
beginning of the hallway, right at the entry next to
the doors to the to the main hall.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
And the first thing you see is us.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
And everyone had to walk by us to go anything.
So it was it was great. So shout out to
Creation for sending me up in that spot. This year,
there's a vendor room. I'm like, okay, well man, we're
gonna be like in a vendor room far away and everything.
There's not gonna be a lot of foot traffic. We're
not gonna see anybody, all right, We're just gonna be.
And that's fine that these things have their this, these layouts,

(09:36):
there's a logic to them. I have the watching to them.
I understand. I respect that. But I'm like, hey, we
got a enter table again. Things in creation, So I
don't know where it's gonna be. We get in there,
it's like there's a wall there there, there's there's three
walls because the other wall is kind of like a
ramp walkway. So there's three walls. The far wall is

(09:57):
Tom Welling smooth, Michael ro response, poof, and then.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Our poo right next right next to them, right next
to them.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
The illusion of importance.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh yeah, man, honestly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So but but what's even better to me about that?
About that issue? And so they had these banners up
maybe from the last con in the last year, I
don't know, and they started so we're setting up and
they started to take them down. I'm like, and I
tuck to the people over like, oh, they are they moving.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
This?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Itod what is this? We got to get them here? No, no,
we're putting up just new banners. I was so sure
they were gonna just yanke that away from us, like
Charlie Brown on the football no time of Michael aren't
there the whole time. Obviously they're there, you know, to
do autographs and selfies, and they're in and out and
in and out. You know, it's great when Michael shows

(10:54):
comes in, right, uh, and then you know we're right
so you know, over the course of the show, like
you know, he says, I he fist bumps all of us,
you know, yeah, and uh and then and then and
then you you keV struck up a conversation with his girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah that's a weird way to start that.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I know, right yeah, actually yeah that's a bad setup.
But so go ahead take it away.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
She kind of just kind of got like got absorbed
into our conversation. We were kind of speaking about like,
you know, I think we asked her like, how's your
experience here, yeah, at the con and she was it's
my first experience and everything. I was like, oh, it's
mine too, And we were kind of sharing that and
everything like that, and I don't and I don't know
how he got brought up. I guess I must have
brought it up. But I was like, yeah, it's really

(11:37):
cool to say, you know, I watched these I watched
the show while I was in Afghanistan. It's really important
show to me. It's really just cool to see these
guys and everything like that. Yeah, and and that was
kind of what it was like. That was kind of it.
And she she then she's like, Okay, I'll let him
know that because he loves hearing that. Oh that's cool.
I'm still right now, I'm flying high. These are wins
Man like cool, you know. Uh, she goes she immediately

(11:57):
goes over there to him while he's like signing up
people's off and he looks over and you know tall,
you know, does his Michael, Oh, hey, nice, you know,
thanks man, you know, appreciate it. And then he comes
over like shakes my hand, thanks me for my service,
throws a hug on me, and then he points at
this Luther Court mug I had just purchased, like I'm
gonna sign that for you tomorrow. And I didn't know

(12:18):
if he would or not, but I was just like, Wow,
that's super nice.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
He did. Listen. Listen, you guys know we have a
good time. Have some last about Michael as we all
are real complex, real complex creatures. One such creature, but
always shows up with these things. That's great, that's a
that's a seven. The moment for you man literally either
hugging me up and sign.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Your yeah, thank you for myselause because you know you guys,
you guys know my story. This like I like these guys.
I jenuinely was watching these guys to cheer me up
during like the most difficult and stressful time in my life,
and so like a win for me. Was like I
always had this thought process if I could just tell
them that I don't need anything, I just want to

(13:02):
be like, hey man, which you did matter to me?
Come the next day, we're all kind of like, you know,
goofing off about like you know, makes you make sure
you're close by. We were like like I was standing
right next to him most of the day, and I
was like, I'm not going to bother him. If he
does it, I'll be excited, but I'm not gonna like
walk up to him. People are paying this man a
lot of money it will look weird for me to
walk over and be like, hey, dude, sign this for me,

(13:24):
you know, like I just I felt weird about it.
But at one point his girlfriend, throughout the crowd, she
saw him again. We talked again and I said I
was like, hey, you know, I was like, I don't
I don't want to bother him, but you know, he admitted.
She's like, oh, yeah, no, I'll go do it, and
she grabs the mug right there and it walks over in
the middle of his signing and he signs it. And

(13:45):
then he's like, I told you I was gonna sign it.
He didn't you have to ask me. I did it
for you.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And I was like, wow, No, talking on ROSEMM for
at least six months from.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Completely made my weekend. I have a grab a mug now,
I would never.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Talk like you're gonna people are gonna ask me what
was your favorite thing like that? That was your experience
with him? Uh? And no, that's that's so great. And
then you got a chance to talk to Tom he
was wrapping up is yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I figured at that point I was like, okay, that
was this is There's no like I was like, you know,
I was joking get Tom to signed it too, but
I was like, no, you know, not about that. But uh,
there was doing a panel. I was going in and
out of the panel stuff because I was kind of
help out with the with the booth and let other
people walk around and do things they want to do.
And Tom's in there, and it's like a really small
crowd for some reason.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well it's it's wrapping up. Yeah, well, and I'm gonna
go down the lineup, you know there generally the whole thing,
but this is during the the rosenbaumb panels a bit,
and so most of those are the big ones that
Mark and Yeah, I mean the two big ships of
the show. So uh so that's where most of everybody was,

(14:52):
and people wrapping up with Tom literally like they're they're
wrapping up. There's like almost nobody left. And that's when
you kind of go, yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I was talking to you guys about it, and I
was real nervous and like I just don't want to
I just like I just don't want to bother these people, man,
like they're already like socially tapped out, everyone's talking and smiling.
I just didn't want to add it and also I'm
not paying for it, so there's that weirdness, but something
I was just like, dude, are you gonna get this
chance again? Probably not. Next year we might be outside

(15:22):
who knows where our tables gonna be.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Let's not claim that, dude, we don't claim that.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, it was not thought. It was on wood. I
didn't bring the mug. I wasn't planning on asking them
to sign anything. I just wanted to go over there.
I waited for him to be finished with people. I
waited for the handler to realize I wasn't gonna bum
rush him because she was giving me the eye and
she was doing her job, and I just said, hey,
I just I had a chance to speak to Michael
and telling them. I just want to tell you too.
I kind of shared I was in the service, I
was in Afghanistan. I watched your show. It meant a

(15:49):
lot to me. He shook my hand, thank me for
my service, thanked them for making the show, and uh,
it just had like a little ten second conversation about it,
and I.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think it was learning that was it. Yeah, dude,
because I watched it. I watched it and he was like,
oh man, thanks for protecting us.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Many I'm already like because.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It was I've been there. It's all blur. That's why
I wanted to I wanted to stay out of it,
but observe it.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I know, I appreciate it, no, because the main thing
I was I was I was trying to like articulate
to Lance. I was like, I, they're there, and you
know this is probably way deeper than it needs to be,
but that I do that with everything, I was like, man,
I have I probably would have told myself I at
some point I wish I could just tell these two
guys how much they helped me through a dark time.

(16:39):
But I always assumed I would never be able to,
Like why would I be in a scenario where I
can talk to these two guys in a casual setting.
And here I was. I had the opportunity, and they
were both extremely receptive and very very nice to me
gracious yeah yeah, and like gracious and like appreciative and
like it didn't and like, like I said, I'm not
the first veteran that told them this. They probably heard
this a million times.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I told you you too, because like and specifically when
and when Rosenbom had his dual panel with christ and
Craig h somebody asked him. I actually think it was
our friend Dave. Shout out to Dave if he's asked him, like,
what what's your Dave Bradon, how do you feel about
opportunities that this platform has given you to kind of
help people or make all the better place, you know
that sort of thing, And everybody had some good answers
about it. Roseman specifically is like, yeah, you know, you

(17:21):
talk to people and they say, you know, watch the
show in Afghanistan and help me through it. Oh wow,
you know. And and I not that it was you directly,
but literally just so I know that in his in
his head and subconscious and breaking through this conscious some
very similar I can't remember exactly either, but like they
both said something similar. I want to I can only
help but think like that connected that That was why I

(17:42):
was topping the time when that question was asked. So
that's great, man. I was really happy to you for that.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
It made not just my weekend like it made it
for me.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
That's what it's all about. And that's what I mean.
They try to and you can say, oh, well they're
here to do that, and yes, they are right right,
but like also like they could also be here to
do that and and not do the little things, yeah,
to make everybody feel appreciated, you know, And I feel
like they really do. And no bs for me about this.
Like I feel like everybody here, everybody on this whole lineup,
did a great job of taking the time, connecting people,

(18:12):
being thankful, being joyful, like you know, trying to make
your experience worthwhile. Yes, right, I mean I truly believe.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
That John Snyder DApp me up for no reason, that's right. Yeah.
I didn't even engage with him. He just said, hey, dude,
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
His booth was right in front of the door of
the vendoing room. So I walked back and forth by
their a lot. So we were walking by him, and
you know what, you know, what's fine. I have even
told you guys this yet. So I was in the
bathroom and and then I heard somebody's old excuse me.
I'm like, it's like John Steiner. And then like I
come out of the stall and I see John Schnyder
walking on. I'm like, alright, I'm not gonna fall. I was.

(18:46):
I could have I could have like sped up and
liked talked to him in the But I'm like, it's cool.
I've met John de Shunder years ago when I was
working in TV. I just told the story before probably
but I'm not gonna tell the whole thing again. But
like all the feelings experiences you have right now, like
I had there because this was like small had just ended.
Like he looked like he walked off the set saying

(19:07):
always on the small villainy. So I was like, oh,
so anyway that these are these are moments, man, these
are moments. So talking about Michael come, they're they're coming
and going all the time. And you know, another time
he came in there and he's like the podcast everybody
who listened to their podcast for God Cigaret, just Michael
being high energy and stuff. And the fact that he
didn't have to say that, you know, and so I

(19:28):
really I appreciate that, Uh gave us off his bumps,
like I said, And it's cool. And then also you
know they're you know Ryan from Tophills shut out to Ryan,
who's he's just a dude. Man. No, I never I
I had interacted all my interactions because I've been on
Talk Forill a couple of times, as you guys know,
and all the time, all my interactions with Talkville had

(19:48):
been through Bryce the producer Brice and and uh, he
still works with Michael, but he's kind of stepped away.
He had twin twin daughters now, so he's a he's
good for a full time job being.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
A parent, right yea man, Uh congrats though, but Ryan.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Is taking all those responsibilities. So you know, we were
all we were talking to Ryan at various stages because
literally again we were standing two feet from him, and
we just start just kind of talking like, Hey, Ryan,
Hey Zach from the podcast. Been a couple of times.
Oh yeah yeah, And we talked about baseball and the Astrodome.
He said, oh yeah, we're talking about Yeah, he went
to a Cubs game. You know, we talked about regularly.

(20:25):
And then you know, I got a picked. I'm like,
I'll get a picture of Ryan. Yeah he's there. What's
funny is rosamm brought all these and I'm sure that
was wholy his idea, Like Rosamond brought all these pictures
of Ryan and then like people were doing this too
because it's Ryan, Like they paid ten dollars for a picture.
Ryan will sign up before you can't give it to you.
That was just that was funny, hilarious. But no, just
talking to him and and hopefully I'll be back on

(20:46):
I told him I love se was nine, so so
we'll see. Maybe maybe I'll be on a third time.
But I've definitely on the two. And it was just
that was not my objective of like, it was just
chill guy. Seems like he's a conversational and and again, yeah,
just is very approach and uh so, yeah, shout out
to Ryan because again I never met Ryan before. He
was at the last Novel Con, but you know, they
were all very separated and and you know, but we're

(21:08):
just standing there for time next to us, So shout out,
shout out to Ryan. But yeah, so those are all
kind of our close encounters, like at our booth and
and again all the all the listeners who come up
to us.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I was, I was, I was gonna mention that even that,
like the fact that like people were coming up to
you guys like I remember you guys from last year,
and you're like, yeah, yeah, remember you too, and they're
like sharing all these stories. I was like, I'm excited
because if I go back next year, I'll probably see
people like reb last year.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's fun. And again, I don't want to sound pretentious,
but it's like you always wonder when like you meet
these celebrities they remember you? Yeah, like do you really
remember me? Are you saying that? I appreciate you just
saying that, But I'm like, no, I think I think
they do because I remember that I remember people. Now
they left meet a lot more people than me. But
everybody's unique.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
But see that worries me though, because sometimes I go
to the store, like the same store. I'm like, they
know I'm going to the store all the time. Ye
sky people know which lash is Land.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yes, this is nice.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's the same place Austin eaery as they've rebranded, which
is is pretentious, but yeah, but like like did this
guy Slashy has now like come here like every week.
I don't know why that went through my head there.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
But the worst is when, because this happened to be
a couple of times when they like say your order
and it's like, dang, like I really do come here a.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Lot, don't. Like Like when you see the same people
that they know exactly what you're about. The order, It's
like oh man, Yeah, the usual.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, that's why I always go to a different smoothie king.
We're off the rails now, so no, but no, that
that means so much to so you just guys know,
like I know, you guys come home and say, hey,
I love your show and it was a lot, And
that means a lot to us to hear that. I
mean that that that, I mean, yeah, that whatever your

(22:48):
feelings are about how we what we mean to you,
to hear us every week or however often we come out,
that means as much to us to hear you guys
come out to say thank you. Guys are cool and
I just restarted the show because of this or that,
or I found because of Talkville or I found you
X amount of whatever is a go And I mean
that's just very I mean, yeah, it feels great to
know that, Like I like, we know, we see the
emails and the downloads and all that, so we know

(23:09):
people are listening. Yeah, but it's just it's nice to know, like,
you know, having that connection.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
So I don't know that, I don't know that. That
just means a lot to me. And it's so cool
to have people appreciate you that way. And be able
to express it. So and that's part of the fun
of coming. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to
come to these cons but to me, it's it's so
much of it is about that those these these these
moments passing through allways and walking by boosts and just
short interactions and and just the vibes. The vibes are good. Man.
I'm in a lot of fandoms, and I think Smallville

(23:37):
has a good fandom.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah. Seeing Christen Crook in person beautiful, I Yeah, I
was stunned.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean I've become more and more of a
lot of guy his years, maybe because there's other people
aren't around. But but let's see, let's go through the lineup.
First off, John Glover, Lionel Luther, Lets, John Gloverers, sweet
old man again and some of some of the stuff

(24:06):
might repeat things that we say, things they say sometimes.
But you always appreciate what a brilliant actor John Glover
you know, was and is. But then you can see
how he is in real life. Yeah, Like he's a better.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Actor actor man, especially when he kind of turns it
on on things and like and he'll kind of go
in and out. Now, Yeah, some of those things where
he kind of goes into like kind of like doing
like yeah, he loves playing like now old man.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, it's very.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Funny life the acts. It's the prestige up in here.
No one of the things that Christopher Nolan's best movie
hot take.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, no that's not a hot take.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a great movie. Brother. So but yeah, we're not
gonna go be by b. I just wanted to share
a couple of things because I mean all of us
were at all the panels to some degree some amount
of times we could speak to not about all of them,
and thank you, guys, I ended up one to most
of them. Oh and before we go too deep, gush
out Joey Deanberg. Joeys have always won the Star Wars. Sorry,

(25:08):
Joey went along without mentioning you for that. Now He's like,
you guys are twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
In driving.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
To no Ah Right, Yeah, everyody, sorry, everybody listening always
on the Star Wars. Kevin, Joey do it with Chris
who was with us last year. He was I wonder
how how old we got to compare? How long did
it take me? In a mention Chris in last episode, No,
this is how long did you take your dimission? Joey,
I'm gonna pitch your Star Wars guys against each other.
You'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, try to make me get against the other earlier.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah. Now, Joey was a huge help because Joey Joey
lives in Chicago, right, And so I was ordering my signs.
I had this whole plan. I'm like, oh good, I'm
gonna do this and that. And then I got to
the checkout, I was like, okay, great, but delivered here,
I'm like, well that's way later than it said when
I decided to get these. So Joey helped me out.
I sent him some files and I talked him on
the phone and he picked up the signs locally UH

(25:57):
and UH, and he was a huge help with those
bringing them incause it won't fly with those, you know. Uh.
So shout out to Joy for that, and of course
helping us all man the booth part of that rotation
because last year was a rotation with you, me, Lance
and UH and Matt and Chris and we've rout. I
didn't think it's through. I was like, you gotta have
this rotation, Boos.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
To make this work.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
But also again, Like the biggest, like, the coolest part
about having joe around is that we finally got to
meet Joey.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Part of this.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
For so and so, like it was really cool to
actually finally meet him and hang out with him in person,
and for keV to actually to finally meet him in
person to do a pod together.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, this is the first time they met in person.
So this was really cool. Shout out to Joey.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Absolutely shouts to Joy so big Bears fan. Yeah, bar down. Yeah,
he's right, he got he got. Joey got a picture
of a professional picture with Tom Welling. Dwelling was in a
bear sat. Someone had given him air sat. Yeah, he's
somebody gave he does he you know wherever he is
kind of is a chameleon.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Like to just call out people is so nonchalant, it's
so funny. He was like, I gave you a hugger
because said you were.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Leaving to everyone. Everyone is always on brand and I
respect that. Yeah. But yeah, so no, Joey got his
picture with Tom and Joy's wearing his like Superman Chicago
Bears shirt. Tom's wearing a Chicago Bears had So that's
a true mental for him. He's gonna cherish and anyway,
it's great to hang out again. Yeah, it's you don't
think about have I met you in person, because I

(27:19):
mean we've been doing this for so long.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
We also got to meet Casey Cochrane. Shout to Casey.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yes's part of this long Casey. Yeah. Yeah, And then
a lot of the people that we ran into him
after the first time last convention we did again this. Yes,
names are too long. We can't listen to anyone else off
at this point because people are gonna feel left out.
I've already said enough names, so.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Uh and waited long enough to say yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So uh yeah. But but the big shout out to
Joey and it was great to hang out and have
some steep dish pizza with him. Yeah, had had a
good had a good night last night as well, So
a good time had by all. So the uh the
John Glover panel though, but just some of the things
that you know, he said, some of the same stuff
he always kind of says, and they were talking about

(28:01):
like he was very happy that whoever dropped out of
being Lionel Luther, like it was like a last minute
decision right to cast him as Lionel Luther because like
they had a guy. The rumor is it was like
William H. Macy William H. Now this is two thousand
and one. He's doing like Jurassic Park three, So I'm
like I can see him, you know. I mean he's
like because it's like, hey man, like, well, this is
why I kind of believe this as it was him,

(28:22):
because like you lost the pilot? Have you seen Lost? Anybody? No,
I've seen a pilot of Lost. I'm the only person
I've seen the pilot and not seen any more episodes.
But the main character. They initially pitched it to Michael
Keaton and he said yes, because the main character is
supposed to die the first episode, so you'd be like,
hey man, you're here for like a week and you're gone, right,
But then like, oh no, we're actually not gonna kill
You're gonna be main character. Podamar on situation J j

(28:43):
Aims loves to stuff like this, Yeah, J James was
the same thing everywhere you go.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It's almost like it's formula.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, Jake, what's a whole other conversation? JJ is formula
and he's got to work on that as all the people.
But there's something wrong with James Gunn does it now.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I said, Jurassic Park three, Kirby's Payton TI plus is
he the dad? Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, the jingle for
the okay yeah places all the time, So.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I can see with Fitch Macy doing like two scenes. Right,
A cameo went a pilot for a ran show and
that's it. Uh, but good thing if it really was him. Which,
by the way, I love Drastic Park three. It's underrated.
It's the second or third best Dress Park movie. Okay,
it's more than just the meme. All Right, You, as
a Star Wars prequel fan, should.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Know you don't like you don't like the prequels either.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, those are George Lucas's films, so that's the true
Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
So the the jungular Oprah Drastic Park three, Alan, it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Anyway, jesssic Party three knows exactly what it is and
it is that and it's very entertaining. Anyway. I'll have
to say John g Lover got the part, you know,
at the last minute, and then became just a main character.
And uh. And one of the funniest things he was
talking about was he just I mean, he's a stage
actor sitting don't doesn't do it a lot of like fighting,
like physical fighting. He was talking about like this is
the way he talks so fun. He's like, yeah, you know, Schneidy,

(30:04):
we had a fight in it and I killed him
and and he was so helpful with me because he
done a lot of fighting on TV and he showed
me what to do to make it look real. And
but yeah, I killed him and gave him a heart attack,
and then I tried to marry his wife. But then
he then he really then he kind of went on
and it was jokey, but all his answers jokey but
had some meat to him. He's again and then the nets,

(30:25):
you know, the net made me a better person on
the show and and the like you know, like the
character and all that. So just to hear him talk
about that's a lot of fun. Yeah, And I know,
and I think I left for this part, but Joey,
Joey told me that that's why I thought. Joey talking
about John, He's like, yeah, when I was there, he
was just talking a lot about Batman and Robin how
poison and I killed him, So yes, d C Royalty,

(30:46):
John g lover. We love him. Sam Jones, the Thirst
Yeah Panel, the Boss Ross. We're just going chronologically through
the schedule hereuse that's the best way to keep us
on track because the three of us, god knows, really
easy to get off track.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
But what a guy.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, okay, so Sam Jones the third. I mean, he'd
been at conventions before, like a couple like I'd seen
on YouTube, but he's he's never been really part of
this and of course his you know, he's had his
history which he talked about and his past with Small
Villa and he didn't want to leave. Yeah, they were
like all right, were writ and feet off. So it's

(31:21):
it's kind of and that's what his kind of hesitancy
to go on Talkville Yeah initially was. You know, I
talked to I'll talk to Ryan and Ryan's like, yeah,
we're gonna try to get him on for Hero, especially since
we connected here. So that's the one to have him
on properly. Hopefully they can do it. I would love
to hear that, and you know so, but I think
Sam will do it because he's Sam has a brand
now he does. But here's the thing, Sam Jones, he

(31:41):
is an entertainer. He understood the assignment and and honestly,
I think he was my favorite panel, the entire thing.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I think.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
So, what did you guys think of finally getting to
hear Sam Jones the third say his piece?

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I mean, like I said in the text, I was
like Sam Jones during his h during his panel, and
it was that the gift of Barry Bond's breaking the
home run record that we that we now see a
lot on Twitter with the international players anthem music going on,
which I love that edit, but like because he legitimately
knocked it out of the park. It was inspirational, it

(32:13):
was it was raw, it was honest, it was funny,
it was entertaining, it was high energy, and it was
it was rooted in Smallville. But then he also brought
his his own like he brought it back to the
thing that he was kind of pitching as well as
and but he did in a nice subtle way. It
wasn't overbearing. It was just a really weak. Yeah, it
was an awesome presentation and and and and I think

(32:35):
the coolest part about it is it felt authentic.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
It didn't feel like an act. It felt like this
was actually him totally. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I was covering
the booth during his during his uh, but when I
got to see him with the full cast, Yeah, that
was the first time getting to see him outside of
just him kind of doing his thing around there. Of
course he was you know, had his had all of

(32:57):
his muscles out.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, but he deserves it.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah. Yeah, I would never wear clothes I had a
body like, Yeah, I never wear I'd never wear a
shirt if I if, I would never wear.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Parts of us being in shape were not exaggerated.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, no, but no, he he seemed like, uh uh yeah,
I mean everything you got a sam echoing that genuine,
entertaining charismatic understood he was there to entertain us, and
he he had us all in a palm of his hand.
He didn't like like, he's just just really good at that.
Also very extremely complimentary of all of the other cast members. Yes,

(33:28):
making sure they got their flowers because he's like, maybe
you guys are giving me a little too much flowers.
I'm just Superman's best friend. This guy we're here's not
you know, like yeah all the time. So just came
across the pretty genuine guy got like like you guys
said in his panel, shared some life experiences that aren't
all you know, awesome, but like to prison. Yeah. Yeah,
like he's clearly like doing he's in a good place
seemingly right now. That's exciting to see.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, I mean he was. He was very straightforward about everything.
I mean, if you're wondering why he went to prison,
as he tells it, he he helped a drug dealer
friend his outlet him some money, you know, when a
friend of his youth right got then because of that,
got connected some bigger things and you know, and then
spent did some time. Yeah, you know, and it's it sucks,
it does suck, but he saw that. You know, it's like, look,

(34:09):
you know, I I be it was so much interesting
with him, and he's like, yeah, man, I just had
success after success that did a movie on the TV show,
and I was just going up and up and up
and music and and then like I got humbled, then
I got wracked back down. But now I'm kind of
back on the way up, and I'm not gonna appreciate it.
I'm gonna glory where it deserves now moving forward and
all that, like, well, good for you man. So and
then you know, he does like personal coaching and here's
here's an interesting thing. Like he's like BFFs with Alan Ritson,

(34:31):
and I believe it.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
To look at this man's body.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I gotta and look at it and look at it. Yeah,
and then and and you've seen pictures of Reacher, like
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, no, he's He's said Alan Richson was one of
the only people that came visited him. He was in
prison and their boys and he's like, yeah, when we're
doing Blue Mount in state and they came to pick
us up. They picked Allen up from my house. I
don't know, man, Like, he had a lot of things
to say at me, and it's fresh because you know
he hasn't done these a lot.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
So but I have no doubt that, like we could
see this guy three times, four times, five times and
he had he'd have justice compelling stuff to share. So
I'm like Sam Jones, the third fan.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
He has way more deal. But most importantly, y'all, damn
who's that?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, damn, who's that? Damn who's that?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
But the damn who's that army? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, Because he's like, man, I'm gonna find some clips
on these guys. Yeah, He's right, though you could take
any line yes, and just make it absurd out of contact.
That's even not what he says in the show. That's
so funny because one of the this is one of
the first episodes of Talkville. Because of one of the
first episodes of Smallville, x Ray, Clark and Pete see
Tinager's mom's dead body come out of a cabinet and

(35:36):
uh and then and they see this dead body and
he's like, who's that? And Clark says Tena's bomb. He says, damn, yeah,
and so but of course in our memories, damn, who's that?
Rosa mom made it a huge thing. It's become a
running joke on the podcast.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
And even Sam was just like, He's like, did that
really sound like that? It's like, yeah, no, I was,
and looked It's like, yeah, I was really like.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That. I mean amazing stuff. So anyway, big say, that's
the funny when you watch these actors and actresses like
in person to hear him talk and I mean you
kind of see him. Not that we we all knew
that there are people, but like more three dimensional people.
Like it's gonna make me go back and enjoy the
material more. Honestly, like, I'm gonna go back and I'm
and I've heard Rosenbaum and Welling all talk about Sam, like, man,
Sam works so hard. He was working so hard to

(36:23):
memorize the lines and this and that and and I
can see that, you know, so anyway, I get it. Uh, Pete,
you know, one of the most underserved characters on the show, frankly,
But when I go back and watch those early seasons,
which I do love more than the other ones for
the most part, I'm really gonna appreciate Pete more because
I appreciate Sam Jones the third one. So I'm so
happy he's he's you know, he's overcome so many demons
that he's experienced and like and even his own like

(36:44):
reservations of getting back into this, I mean, and that's why, Yeah,
it took so long to get on Talkville. They really
honestly tried to keep getting him on Talkville, and he
didn't know if he wanted to revisit this. But now
now he's back, he's back, So I mean, he's gonna
be at all this stuff, I think. Yeah, so he
was great.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
They're better for it, too. Yeah, absolutely bring the a
different energy than everyone else.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, absolutely, Hey guys, future Zach here with a note
about meeting Sam Jones a third and get me a
bump in with him. Wasn't sure how I was going
to incorporate this into the podcast, so I just figured,
you know what, I'll do it this way. Did meet
Sam at his booth, did get a picture with him,
had had a fun conversation with him. He got pulled
away to do something else at the end. Otherwise we

(37:23):
might have done more together. But he gave me a
fun bumping. He was trying some different stuff and I
just wanted to share most of that here. Just it's
just a couple of minutes of audio of Sam doing
his thing at his booth, giving me a bump in,
And we did get a clean bump in from him
before he had to go on other things, which which
we'll hear in future episodes as well. This episode started

(37:45):
with the Lena Huffman bumping, and then the next special
we do, we'll have a Sam Jones bump in, and
I also do I do plan to go back and
insert these bumpings into some you know, appropriate episodes, you know,
the Black Canary episodes, the Bigger Pet episodes, things like that.
That's what's kind of fun and interesting about doing these bumpins.
Now after I've completed the podcast proper, going through all

(38:05):
the episodes, so it'll all be a retroactive but you know,
that's part of the fun. So anyway, I just wanted
to preface that. Here, here's just a couple of minutes
of Sam doing his thing at his booth, and again,
he was a delight. He was a joy on stage,
off stage, at his booth, everywhere, brought a lot of energy.
You know. His angle was, Hey, I'm all about positivity now.
I mean, he's doing some fitness in life coaching which

(38:28):
he was pitching as well, and I'm sure a lot
of people sign up for that so that should be
a fun experience for them. But yeah, he was just great.
He understood the assignment and he was just a complete
pleasure throughout the entire convention. But here he is doing
his thing, and then we'll get back to me, Lance
and Kev's conversation about Salute to Smallville twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
What's up? This is Michael Rosenbaum.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I played Lex Luthor on Wait wait, should I tell
him it's really me Sam Jones Third, not Michael Rosenbaum.
All right, yeah, actually this is Sam Jones the Third
played Pete Ross on the show small Ville. And you're
listening to Always Holding on to?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Is that always?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Always hold on to Smallville? Are you gonna edit this
part out? Okay, edit this part out?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
But nah.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Hey it's your boy, Sam Jones the third and you're
listening to Always hold on to Smallville?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
So what characters did I play?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I played Pete Ross, And I'm here with my boy
Zach right now, and uh, we're gonna do a little interview.
We're gonna give Zack something exclusive. We're gonna give him
a two minute podcast. So let's do it, Zach, let's go,
let's do it.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Oh, you gotta go. That's all I need, That's all
I need. John Schneider was next, and I so again
like I heard him do interviews and do all these
things right for years. John Schnyder, I mean, he told
the story. I had never heard this before. He was
talking about reckoning his that his episode retired, and he
was talking about how the original plan that's how we

(39:53):
describe that's why it's so memorable. He's like, yeah, the
original plan was, you know, Uh, Clark and Martha pull
up at the farm and I'm just dead, like armadillo,
like just just in the driveway, right, And they find
his body and he's like, hey, guys, like I feel
like kind of earned like a last moment, you know.
And he's like, and I know how TV works, not

(40:14):
going to change the script or anything, but that's what
I mean. And so like just have them have that
moment and like they're both picking him up, and he's
almost like he's you know, it's it's a powerful one
because they have that eye contact. Yeah, it's like like
the nonverbal goodbye to each of them. And I'm like,
I've always said that's so powerful, right. He just to
think that, Like he's like, Noile, Miles, they won't remember
this argument. And the director Greg Beman, I think it

(40:34):
was Greg won't remember this argument, but I believe he remembers. Yeah,
I remember this. But he's like it was better for
it because because he says like, yeah, guys, they're gonna
be talking about this twenty forty years from now if
we don't do this, right, I mean, he's right, this
is proof of it. I'm like, he's true. So I yeah,
like that's that cute. I mean, I could see it
happening that way, but it'd be so like morbid find

(40:58):
his body there, that's.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Not the show that that's that's supernatural, that's not like that.
That that that'll be even brutal.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he can't even get the like,
well they just kind of I can see it now
that they pull up and they see his body and
they just kind of pan out. Yeah, and but there's
no like that. I mean, he so that's what. They
didn't change the script at all. They just changed the
stage direction, if you will, and it didn't change anything really.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
But that's yeah script. I think they did because that
is one of the more impactful moments of the show.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I believe. I believe him, you know, I love he
said they don't remember the argument, but because I've heard
him talk about Tollison when he was the directors, like
they they never let me direct again. But that was no,
that was solid. And so then uh, you know, so,
I mean these are main cast members, right, Lionel Pete
Jonathan right, and then we got Brian Austin Green, who

(41:49):
one of the biggest stars. Yes, say, I don't know,
maybe I think he was one of the biggest name
guest stars they ever had, especially being in multiple he's
in three episodes.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yes, yeah, but again, like the nine to two thing
with him is real, right, and like the fact that
like he was like as popular as he was in
the nineties is a real thing. And and also just
like the stuff that he's been a part of. He's
very had a very interesting and varied, diverse career, and
so it was interesting to hear his his thoughts on

(42:19):
things and then just like the impact of like that
he that he's made, even though it was only there
for three episodes, he made himself memorable and tell him yeah,
and it's it's a.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Credit to him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
And he's friends with Derek Russell, who's one the coemc's
the event with our friend mutual friend Craig Burn from
Krypton's site, So they were talking about and they had
a podcast together for amount of time too, So that's
really their connection here and it was fun to see
that they can tell their buddies. Yes, So the energy
plays across well and you know, it was a good
time seeing them m see the event.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
The most the most interesting thing that came about of
this is that legitimately, so like there's because of the
of the Fantastic Four movie.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
That came out.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
There's clips going around from the nineteen ninety four cartoon animated.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Shit Voice to the Human Toork.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
He Divorced the Human Torch.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
That is legitimately his first credit on IMDb because I
went back and in his in his in his thing
and saw that.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
That's the first thing listened is that and so well.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
When you see that in the wild, you assume this
is like a dub, like it's some kind of joke
that somebody made.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
And the reason did himself. He did it himself.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
And the reason why people are pointing that out is
because there's an infamous scene during a wedding scene in
that show where the Human Torch is like, is like
doing this R and B and rapped type of type
of thing, and it is doing.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It the bizarre. I saw that. I thought it was funny.
It's funny. Our our friend Robot Connor from the All
Start Superfan podcast it has brought this up before. He's
a huge nun of tin Oz fan, so he brings
up this all the time. And I think I think
he there was a thing where like he found it
on YouTube and like tweeted it Brian Austin Green and
that there was a whole thing and then that got
so much attention. I think it got copyright. Click. Yeah,

(43:54):
it's incredible that they talked about this.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, And he was talking about like how different it
was doing animation back then, especially for Marvel, because again
you have to remember the time frame, like you know,
Batman and Anis Sais was King, and Spider Man Animated
series was King, and uh and X Men the animated
series was King. Nobody really didn't care about the other
ones that came out, which were which were Hulk, Iron Man,
Fantastic four ironically, like nobody cared about those things back then.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
But he was like, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
People still don't care about that fantastic fantastic.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Fun not over here, not in this house. But he
was talking about like his first recording experience and like
he was like stan Lee was like in the booth
like watching them record, and he was like it was
just so crazy because like we were just kind of
do was like gott to record this thing. But like
stan Lee was just so happy that people were doing
a fantastic fourth thing. He thought it was the greatest

(44:44):
thing in the world. So it was very interesting and
insightful with him.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, and also and he was in term reator Sarah Connorcroft,
which is what I know him best. That's why I
was so exciting to play men Tallow. You know, Fish
shot Fish. A lot of we quote that, I don't
take anything out of context. No, he's great on that show.
Another show that was really cut short way before it's time,
but he was talking about He's like, yeah, like I'm
a big Turmier fan, and so I hear people out
there say yeah, man, like to one two new show

(45:10):
my favorite, Like wow, that's good. Also, probably the funniest
thing he said the whole time was like people asked
him like, hey, how'd you get act? He's like, yeah,
you want to be on a school bus. I see
this kid. He always have toys, like playing with new toys.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
What are you rich?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It turns out the kid was like he's like acting
like commercial Acting's like, well, I want to be an
act Yeah. I just left this rich disgusted confusion about
this other guy in the school bus having toys that
he had. He had a lot of great stories him.
Derek had some great chemistry. Yeah, so that was a
great panel. Yeah, you know, the fan questions are all
pretty good for the most part. Uh, Derek and Craiger
out there a lot, just to kind of help, uh

(45:49):
steer the conversation we needed. And that was a fun
conversation between the two of them, which which leads into
the next one. So it was a smamble fan of panel.
Talked to Craig and Derek about the history. You know,
they had start fille House of l podcast and they'd
done that during the run of the show and we're
off for a few years and recently came back. And
then Craig has obviously been running crypt on site for decades,
even to the lowest and Clark days before you know, Smallville.

(46:10):
So you know, they talked a lot about the evolution
of the message boards. You know, a lot of people
talking about them there. Craig's books, The Small Companions, and
it's funny to hear them talk about the message boards.
Oh those were some war zones.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I was on there for a little bit, like season
three to five. I was active on there. Craig gave
me a shout out, which is great, which I really appreciated.
Zach Moore is always along the Smallville, so like Zack
Snyder's Justice League over here. Now, that was funny to
hear people like talk about how they well, well, what's
kind of interesting to hear those conversations about the evolution
of the fandom is like, there's so many people here

(46:42):
at this convention or small fans now that we're not
even alive, yes, yeah, choking about people continuously find the show.
I mean, keV found it in two thousand and eight
in Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, for example of the one of the people came
up there and they were like, uh, yeah, I was
in like second grade or something when it came out,
and so they didn't watch until recently. Oh, people like
I just finished my first watched her like a week ago.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of there were a lot of
new fans of the show that that Kristen was was
very proud of and excited about. Again, a lot of
people this was there for a lot of people, this
was their pandemic show, right, like this is like the
first time they did it was during the pandemic and
so uh and and in this new Superman movie has
been huge for this.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Hy Yeah, apparently it's good number roof for.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I know I've been using it watching Hell yeah, brother,
hell yeah, brother, No No, Kristin had said something like that,
like and I think I think like she was onto
something about all these like new people coming to the show.
There's just something pleasant and like calming and like just
kind of pure about you know, yeah, like wholesome I get,

(47:49):
I guess, but like this I don't know is every
time I watched Smallville, even though I didn't watch it
from the beginning, like you know, even it just takes
me back to like feeling like I don't know, just
everything's not as crazy and chaotic.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
As they make which is interesting because I mean, the
things that happened in this show chaotic. Yeah, but it
feels because there's like a yellow shine of put that
warm glow light. Yeah, and you know, it's a it's
not beautiful. It's not just nostalgia because these are people
coming to it now, you know. But her point was like, yeah,
some of these early two thousand shows ahead, it was
a vibe and nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's potent, delicate.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thank you don Draper if that's your real name.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Spoilers, it's not called the Wheel.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Don't don't you love how I love? I love on
Twitter and now it's like this is how I found
this out? Whatever I fill in them, like, I'll let
you dry your conclusions about what that was. But uh,
to me, it was like a scene from like a
better called Saul, like whoa. Somebody's like, no, ways is
how I found this out? It's like so anyway. So

(48:53):
the next the next few panel, which closed off the
panel for day one was the wind with Small Bult panel,
So Christ and Crik, Eric Durantz, Lena Huffman, Adrian Plecky,
and Erica Sara. Now I kind of we're talking to
Eric off the top. She was a huge great sport
in this because someone would ask like I have a
question for Kristen and Erica, and then Erica Sarah started
to answer like oh oh, I'm sorry, not you.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
She was really funny and and again it's a great
sport about things, but also like just to kind of
like highlight like the her, I guess, not like her
place in all of this. So at one point on
the second day, she comes over to the dealer's room
and it's just walking around and nobody like like, yeah,
nobody's bothering nobody's bothering her and just kind of checking
out all the things.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
We were so close to pitching the podcast.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
And then and she comes up to she's looking at
the stuff at our booth, and like for like, if
I was not paying attention, I would have started pitching
her the little speech.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
By that point, I had like a whole I had
like a script in my hand. So I was and
then like.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I, you know, maybe you should have a good header
on the show right now.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
But but I was, But I was able to catch
myself and I just started talking, was like, hey, thank
you for for being here.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
We had a little, uh quick conversation, introduced ourselves, shook
my hand, and that she you know, went about about
her business.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Let me maket sure we're gonna bump in from her. Yeah,
speaking of bumpins, by the way, uh and the Women's
Small Vel panel. Yes, I did meet Elena Huffan. I
brove again. I think I call her Aleana Huffman. For look,
there's like an extra a intername, like I don't know,
like it was in like that is total malpractice on
my part for calling her the wrong name for so long.
But I did call uh al gal for first season

(50:35):
of this podcast. Interesting to see all of them. So,
I mean, obviously, you know christ and Erica, I mean
they're the they're the the anchors, the anchors of this panel.
But that but all the questions that were asked, think
they all have great answers.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
You know, they're every time that they have the women
in small old panel.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Always the best.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
They're always the best. They're always the most insightful, they
have the best things to say. They really think about
what they're what they're trying to say, what they want
to convey, and awful answer softule answers. They take it seriously,
but they also have fun at the same time, it's
not just like a complete like goofest. In certain cases
they always crush it so so so shout out to them.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
They need to do more stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Elena Huffan specifically, somebody asks is or anything that you
know you would have wanted to do on the shows
the Black Canary that you needed to do. She's like, yeah,
you know. So it's so she talked about when she
got cast, like they had blank slides, which like casting slides,
casting slates. When I'm getting on with the tromology confused,
but basically they replaced the names of the character, so
you don't know who you're auditioning for. And she got

(51:36):
the part, she's like, oh, the Black Canary, Oh great.
So she looked it up like, oh, it's great, Green Air,
all this stuff, and then she's like, yeah, in the comics,
the Green Row and Black Canary of this whole thing,
it's like defines both their characters. And I mean she's
like Justin and I got to do a lot of
cool Justice League stuff together, but nothing outside of that,
and that would have been nice to see and I
and so anyway, so I went to her booth and
met her, and I got a bump in from her. Yeah,

(51:58):
and we talked and I was telling her like, yeah,
you know, you don't feel bad.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
You're not alone.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
On the Green Arrow show they made after this, uh,
there was a new character of listening to Smoke who
was kind of like a Chloe type who Oliver Queen
got with. So didn't give it the Black and Airy
on that show either, So it's not just you.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, Small was the blueprints.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Was the blueprint. So but no, she she was the
light to talk to and she she nailed the bump
in and yeah, I was like Wow, this is perfect.
She's like, it's like, I do this for a lim Yeah,
I thought that was that was great. Yeah, and under
another underserved character, right she had. Even her premiere episode
was weird and we talked about it on the podcast
Proper right, but like the Green Arrow was more of
a Green O return episode because all the other oneses

(52:36):
got like their own spotlight, you know what I'm saying,
and so but yeah, that makes sense because they're supposed
to be a pair, but then they're not a pair
on the show, so it's so weird. They have those
those infamous lines of dialogue, like those emails of Canary.
We're strictly but like ah ha ha. But under always
just kind of around with the Justice League and never
had her own thing, and then it was in and
then her last appearance is in that terrible, terrible, terrible

(52:56):
episode Collateral, like one of the worst episodes of the
show where they're in the matrix. Yeah, yeah, just awful,
just an awful episode. And so she was so underserved.
It was disappointing because we see on y'all show, we
can see how cool most of the black Andaries can be. Correct,
I mean, Sarah is the best Black Canary, right, yeah, okay, yeah,

(53:19):
we like.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Them all except for the fake one. Yeah, which except
for the fake one. We you know, we look talking
to you.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
So yeah, so I'll talk about specifically because Christian Erakad
panels later and talk more about stuff and we might
touch on that, but like specifically in this panel, you know,
Adrian talked about like, oh I got the fly. She'd
always been a Superman fan. She has a Superman tattoo,
like she was all into it, you know, and she
was so excited she got cast as Karra and then
they're like, but you're not the World Care Act. She's like, oh,
like she thought for real she was gonna be up,

(53:53):
and you know, let's I mean, she is Nerd Royalty, right,
Comic Royalty. She was in uh, the Unaired wonder Woman Pilot,
The Unaired Aquaman Pilot. I believe they made an unhaired
Agency Shield spin on pilot with her, Yes, all right,
I mean like this is the queen of unhaired pilots.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
But then also she had a significant role on agentcy
Field in any way.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
And of course one of our favorite shows Friday Night.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
She was Tyra Collette on that show, Tara.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
But again probably like she was a fierce character on
that show, though a very unique character. I got, I
met her, I got a picture and got an autograph
of her, told her how much of a big Friday
Night Lights fan I am. And I asked her. I
was like, is is Tyra the most unique character that
you've that you've played? And her response was, She's my
favorite character that I've I've played. I was like, I
figured that would be the answer, because that, like, if
you watch the show, like Tyra is a tour de

(54:41):
force in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And everybody, everybody on that on that show is so interesting. Uh.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
And again it's the show. The football is a battock.
It's about football, but not really.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
And so it's about to quote James Gunn humanity.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
That that show. I mean, I always on Friday Lights
because I mean green Land is the coach. Yes, and
you got Dove and super Girl, Slash, all these other
characters you mentioned to the female leads speed Racer why
he never played a Flash Scott Porter and entire life
is a complete missed opportunity.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I know kill Monger is a quarterback. Later in the
show killed his dad is black to show Yeah, and
his dad is black Lightning.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
He is, Yes, Oh I didn't see that.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
He's his dad that like just get got out of
prison and like and starts.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Trump forgetting hawk fan is this is the season one? Look,
we we don't have to podcast with everything, and it's
actually refreshing to have things we don't podcast out again.
We're totally gonna watch fright, noight, She's on our own
just to enjoy it because I about the whole Streets
on DVD halfarts book the other day.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Just just a great show.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
It's just a great show.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Oh and Gambit, Gambit, I know he wore Gambit forever.
Taylor Kirch was like Austin Butler before Austin Butler, but
no offense of Taylor Church was a little better actor.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah yeah, but you know you know.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Why connected Like they're cut from the same kind of
like the South.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
They got Mega, they got Mega pushed by Hollywood. Yes,
yea to be like a big thing.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
But of course arrows Austin Butler so.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
ALI Award winner, Yeah, but I claim him, We are
claiming him.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, the the l v P ALI Award winner.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, it's an award, It's it's an earned award award
just the way it was moving deserved. It was a
deserved award too. It actually inspired him to become the
actor that today.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
But no, that was that was a great panel. I
really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
They always crush it.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
One audience member was asking everyone, like, do you have
like an emotional Small brought us a lot of emotional moments.
Is there anything in any other show of any kind
that would be emotional to you? And you know, they
all said certain things and I loved h I love
the latest answers like I cried commercials. Yeah, so to me,
that was a fun answer to a pretty heavy question.

(56:52):
But but yeah, I didn't get Yeah, like you said
that these girls they're always on top of things always,
that's the thing. Like, like I just I really wish
would be on every episode of Talk because, as you know,
as of this recording, the most recent episode of Talk
fil that came out, Kristen was in and she just
elevated everything.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
It went like it went viral. It's just like, yeah,
this is what what I mean. It wasn't necessarily Christmas,
but like Erica, they were teasing, like you know, of
course if they if they don't finish the show. She's like, well,
we'll finish it. Like the crowd like, yeah, I think
they messed up. Oh you guys actually want to hear
They're like yes, yes, man.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
So so that was a that was a great panel.
And then to have five people like that in just
an hour is tough, but I feel like everybody had
their their stuff to say and uh and uh, yeah
it was. It was a lot of fun. But that
that can that concluded day day one. They did they
did do smallbl knights. Uh, you know last night. I
been to smavel Nights before and we'll go again one day.
But it's like, you know, it's hard to top your
first one there. And then when John Lover crashed it, yes,

(57:47):
and like you said, he goes into character. We've heard
of say this before, but yeah, I mean and then
we say them do their thing like on the stage
and from the back of the room, the door's open
and someone says X goes up to the stage like
you can't recapture that. Yeah, it's incredible. So I will
go again one day.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
But yeah, I think I walked by it because they
did they did it in the in the main Yeah. Uh,
and I was like, oh, like I the way you
guys had explained it to me, I I mean maybe
it was the first time I felt it was like
a much more smaller intimate thing.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
But that was the Smubble Happy Hour, which I don't
think they do anymore because it's all too popular. So
I'm really glad we did it when we get it.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yeah, but yeah, I did walk by and see, like
you know, everyone erupted in, all of them on there,
and like obviously I didn't want to go close to
the door because I was like, well, I don't have
a pass to this, but uh, you know that that
seems like probably the most fun you can have with
them at at the at the con.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Oh yeah really, I mean there's no pictures and stuff,
so they can kind feel more comfortable much absolutely understandable,
and the pictures of video and then and then Eric
Johnson crash the smovel Nights apparently I don't know what
they did. I just I just know that they were
talking about how he crashed it and had a good time.
So and we'll talk about more him in day two
because he this was his first appearance as well, one
of the he wasn't last year, so all right. So

(58:56):
Day two started with the exclusive Gold panel for Gold
level attendees with the main cast members Tom Michael, Erica, Kristen,
John Schneider, John Glover, Sam Jones, and Eric Johnson. Eric
Johnson talking about him yet Whitney Foreman. He was great,
by the way, they were all great. They all kind

(59:16):
of came out and did their thing, and uh really
enjoyed that panel. What did you think of that panel?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
He's he's an incredibly sweet guy, and it's it's very apparent.
Uh not just that, not the fact that everyone told
us that he was, but just every little interaction we had.
I walked by his booth a couple of times because
I wanted to uh get a chance to ask him
about voicing splinter Cell. But then I looked it up
and apparently he had some issues with Michael Ironsidez. I
didn't know. I want to bring that up like I

(59:42):
was a dick because he says panel, But no, he was.
He was really cool, very just like all shuck's happy
to be here, really thankful. He literally said that I'm
just happy to be here. I'm just happy to be here.
They asked him questions like I was just thankful to
be there.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
They went through, uh, because we get Eric Johnson his
own panel too is great and we'll talk about that
a little bit. But like they went, they went through
a lot of questions and stuff. Just seeing all all
of them up there to the other like that was
just great, just because like there they are. It's like
the majority of the Castle of Smallville, the main castles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Up there, and they're all not in their early twenties
and yeah, I know, it's it's it's kind of like, honestly,
it's kind of beautiful. It's like, look at them, they're
all still here, like, yeah, it was. It just it
just felt nice to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Say absolutely man. And uh, I think one of the
one of the questions that brought off a lot of
these other things they spun out of, like who is
your favorite guest star to work with? And then so
that Schneider and Shiner was well I think they already
answered for him. I think, well old Tom Wopat Yeah,
he's like, oh yeah, he's like I remember, you know, Schneider,
he was always so helpful to me and and and
so uh giving and and and took time out to

(01:00:43):
kind of help me out on set and and that
sort of thing and and I go it's this episode
exposed in season five. It's like I go up to
Schneider and I'm like, hey, He's like one second and
he turns back because he's talking to Tom Opat, his co
star and friend from Jukes's Hazard Zoom. And then he's no,
didn't know. Uh. Well, he's like he keeps talking to it.

(01:01:07):
I'm waiting and he says what and he's like, oh,
I understood the hierarchy of my friendships there. Oh. And
then and then they went to Sam Jones next. I'm
thinking of like the order they were sitting in and
uh he said a Jonathan Taylor Thomas. He's like yeah,
because like that's the first time, like we're leaving our trailers.
People were there for people, not us, you know. And

(01:01:29):
because he was a star, he was even then, so
that that was fun. And then they get to they
get to you know, Eric Johnson. He's like, I was
just happy to be there. Yeah, because it's like what
guest starts did he interact with He's like Amy Adams,
I guess because they were in a couple of scenes,
you know together, but yeah, he was only in the
one season and well else everybody else say, I'm trying

(01:01:50):
to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I know, I feel like Michael like started just to
naming off all the big names because and they just
kind of reminds you of Wow, they had so many.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
They did this is it? So Tom Tom's like one
of the big top gun fans. So Michael Iron's side
did not happen? And then who was a dick? They
told the story on chacol I think to like, Michael
just comes in doing his thing and Ironside is like, ah,
so you're that guy my head, I guess, but I
could totally see those two guys just not getting along

(01:02:27):
oil And because iron sights are just serious?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Was this cloud?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I don't you know, I don't think I actually coted that.
Unfortunately in the season Tisod he was in, so thank
you for one of the most absurd lines ever heard.
But no, it was it was fun to hear all
them reminess about yeah, because like you said, they start
rallying off all the Christopher Eve, Margot Kidder, carry Fisher,
all these big names like that. So uh just yeah,

(01:02:55):
you said, Linda Carter, Yeah, so it reminded Linda Carter.
It just reminds you of all the actors they've had
over the years. And to your point, keV, you know Sam,
you know he can very very like wanted to give
everybody else their flowers, right, He's like this man right here,
he's talking about Eric Johnson's like this man right here. Man,

(01:03:15):
he's a good guy, and people love Pete because he's
Clarkin's friend. And everybody hated this guy, but he's a
good dude.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
You know, talk about how he was like the opposite
of the character that he played.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, so so that's always nice to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah, makes you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Want to go back and watch season one episodes now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Brother Tom even mentioned that he's like, look, he's like, look,
don't want to be selfish, but a lot of the
things that were going on with the show are like
in service of like, you know, like my story as
as Clark Kat's like, you know, people's like their relationship,
like they could have been like, you know, cool in
other places, but like if they were bad and mean
to me, then they were a bad person.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, because because Tom was also like you know, you
really you didn't really ever see like what was up
with Whitney most of the time himself, you know, like
what's up with this guy, you know, the service of
Clark's story. He's like Whitney's He's a tool to service
the greater story of Clark, which is true. I mean
he's just talking about TV mechanics, like, yeah, welling always
goes out a lot, is good. He's like, well, without drama,
there's no show, Like what if what if Clark and
Laana got together in like season one? He's like, well,

(01:04:04):
there's no show. I don't know what do you want
me to I know it's it's it's smart how he
explains that. So, but no, it was just great to
I mean, you know, it was a shorter panel. It
was just great to see all them all out there together, interacting, interplaying.
I will say this about about the lineup. I do
think because LANs let's talk about this year was his
last year. Little bit here, it is a good opportunity
these big panels, like this is the only time you
see her went together. And I feel like, you know,

(01:04:26):
maybe this extra day will help restructure things a little
bit next time. Because this year day one, Tom and
Michael were on no panels correct, And I'm like what
And then like Erica and Christen never got panels like
by themselves ever, like they had the wind with small
old panel and the ones later Michael and Tom respectively.
But I think that's a missed opportunity because like that's
also what you gonnassemble all these people, that's the way

(01:04:47):
to do it well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
And speaking of assembling all these people, the panel that
we saw was only was a gold only, right, not
that everybody could not see the full together. Yeah, So,
and I think that's a big mess because like, if anything,
that should be the headline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Event, right, because and I know they do smobl Knights,
but that's not part of the show. Like if that
was part of it, that's a whole nother conversation, right,
But that's not so. I do think I understand they
want they need a great separation between these tier levels,
but I think they should think of something else, because
I do. I do hate that a lot of people
missed out on that, which is what I mean, one
of the most enjoyable panels is because yes, the energy

(01:05:21):
of all them and talking about it, you know, and
Sam Jones talking about it two probably in both these
but like they were like a family up there, you know,
like they go up there and they're all in their
late teens, early twenties, and and you know, like that's
that's kind of the bond they form. You can tell
like years. I mean, well all done thing. It's funny
you say, oh, well you only did that for a
couple of months or six months or whatever, right, but
like you know, we've all those times in our lives.
I mean, we've all been part of organizations made the

(01:05:41):
raiest because we're like, yeah, you were with those people
for a short amount of time. Because of what you
did together, those bonds last night forever. Yeah, So you
can see that in all these guys, you know, especially
in see the season one people up there right, oh yeah, yeah,
because we're so used to seeing these later season people
and it just yeah, just some about seeing seeing Sam
and Eric up there with everybody was just was great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
You know, it was very heartwarming in a lot of ways.
It's just like, yeah, this is this is what we
started with.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, you know, moll Fl's like I feel like I'm back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
But and so then and then coming out of that,
Eric Johnson's been I thought was great because again, like
he's only done a couple of conventions, it's new for him. Uh.
They were talking about like justice for Whitney because he's like, yeah,
you know, I think Clark was gonna step over some lines.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, it's because it's like over time. Because yeah, he
talked about like, you know, where do you where do
you go with this character? Like in the first episode
he beats the guy up and strips him down his
boxers and hags in the field. Even the Romans saved
that for special occasions. I mean, that's why of such
a great prison and Rose Mom's delivery, right, I mean,
but he's like, how do you come back from that? Right?

(01:06:42):
I mean, how do you what do you do? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I use maybe think about Rossemom and Eric Johnson about
how they're playing polar opposites of how their personalities are.
I guess I need to see more actors outside of
their shows because it feels like Smallville has like the
greatest actors because they are nothing like the characters they
portray at all. Yeah, I just need to see that more.
But yeah, thinking about Eric Johnson, this really sweet, nice dude,

(01:07:06):
and Michael Orl's mom this super like a goofy guy. Uh,
having those like intense scenes together, it's pretty funny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Another thing you talk about was somebody asked a pretty
great question. We've we've kind of joked about this over
the years of like Whitney and Lana, like what like
what somebody asks, like, how do you see them even
have gotten together? Like what is this? And he's like,
I think, Eric Johnson, this is a great answer. He
was like, yeah, you know, I think they were together
because like it felt like that's who's supposed to be together,
Like he's the quarterback and she's the cheerleader. Yeah, and

(01:07:34):
the small town just like circumstances like, oh well, obviously
you two should be together and that's probably why they
had a bad relationship. And so I was like that's
pretty deep, man, Like I like that, and cause we
just thought he was a creep. Yes, yeah, because if
you do the math, yeah, it's like that's the thing.
They wanted them to be freshman because they one of
the show to last no longer. Yes, but they're all
clearly acting like seniors and like if the spring formal

(01:07:55):
is the problem and solves all your problems.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
They're clearly acting like singers. And also like they're doing
things that like freshman. Don't you know Whitney already was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
An upper class when was he not Ny was a
senior bro. I was like, yeah, I'm not misremembering now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
He was gonna graduate, Yeah, go to a college. And
he's yeah, until until he had to bind the store.
And somebody somebody brought up that that scene that I
always bring up about the scene with Whitney and Clark
on the basketball court and Clark's like, I'll take the
man over with the memory of the week. I bring
that scene him all the time. I brought that up,
you know, on the drone episode here, and that was
powerful stuff, you know, because it makes you think about
you know, I'm thinking about my grandpa who was older

(01:08:29):
and everybody has family members they can fill in the
blank there. And somebody brought that up. I was like,
you get that from my podcast? I really think I
think they might have. But that was a good you know,
he talked about that. He's like, oh, yeah, Tom was
really great in that scene and we kind of fed
off each other and uh and uh yeah I think
his Uh, you and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I had a really strange year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, they had a weird year, but yeah, I mean
he he was Whitney was his arc, you know. Uh,
that's why Ric Johnson was like, yeah, you know what.
I was only there a year, but I feel like,
you know, we had like you had an arc. Man,
he started here, ended there. It was all that's where
all the work was to kind of get there where
like you don't hate this guy anymore. He's like, hey, man,
I did know the necklace was like gonna kill him. Yeah,

(01:09:05):
it's like people like luck I know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
And he also talked about and I'm talking about him
a lot because for the first time he talked, but like,
I really I like Sam Jones' panel and Eric Johnson
on the most probably and again they're the freshest ones. Yes,
so all this new fun stuff had heard him talk,
so that's why I'm I mean, no, there were all
the panels were great, but these are the ones that
probably stuck out to me the most, that I that
I enjoyed the most, just just hearing it all fresh.
He was talking about playing the Tina Greer as himself,

(01:09:28):
like he's like, it's still like when you play a character,
playing you who was playing a characters like this inception
level of acting And it was a lot of fun.
And uh yeah, at some point, I don't when did
he I don't know. He mentioned this other maybe somebody
talk to him about it at his table or something.
But apparently they did some reshoots on uh on his

(01:09:49):
death scene in visage. Yeah, like they had to uh
go back out to the remember that swamp was and
it was frozen and they had to break up the
ice and tell him to get out there. Oh he's crazy, man,
I do. That's a character where like I kind of
wish they hadn't killed him. Yeah, yeah, because there's a

(01:10:09):
lot of potential there, like he could have come back
and been a confident on and been a green lantern
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I'm just saying like if they wanted to do that,
you know sort of thing. I don't what ah, but yeah,
I mean because I mean you think it's it's it's
it's funny because he's a huge part of the show
because the show was like early and the further you
go he becomes this like oh yeah you remember that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Anyway, I really like this panel. I really think Are
Johnson really projects just authenticity and that last thing I'll
say about it, and I'm talking for ever about R.
John Spanel and you guys reminding the store for most
of them, so to speak, from this that so I
appreciate all these funny reactions trying with Tom and Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Somebody asked him like, hey, do you feel like you
you like have to like maybe go above me on
to kind of like be nice in real life to
kind of compensate for these characters. He's like yeah, He's like, yeah,
it was true because I'm playing all these dirks and
I don't I don't want people to know that I'm
not that guy. He's like, I played no joke, four
roles in four roles in a row. I had a
letter jacket just like shorthand for I'm a jerk. Yeah,

(01:11:07):
you know, and like these horrible things, and these characters.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Look yeah, all American like bully.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, that's what he says. He's like, I don't. He's like,
but I'm like an actor. I'm like the you don't
like me, So I don't know. That was That was
a great That was a great panel. And you can
tell you a lot of fun revisiting this stuff, like
a twenty five years later season one. Bro, that's it
and and uh, Derek even mentioned he came out there
and he's like, you have excellent recall. He's like, well,
I only had one season. I don't have like ten
years to sift through. So that's a that's a fair part.

(01:11:35):
You can tell he really cherishes those those small old days.
And then and then yeah, and then you know they
had the another win with Sable panel kind of the
guest Star Women of Smallville panel with Erica, Adrian and Elena. Again,
that's just it's fun to see them all bounce off
each other. And yeah, it's it's true. You know, it's
kind of we when I saw, you know, we see
Adrian Flaky show off on these lists, were like she

(01:11:55):
was in one episode, like you know, but she's got
out to say she's a lot of fun. She is,
I mean and obviously you know you went sorry for
I mean, if we're not for Friday night Lights, we've
gone to her table.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
And that was that was that was the that was
the thing that pushed me over the edge. Was that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
So she's also she was talking about the Orville. She's
on the Orville, and I watched the Orville Seth McFarland
star Trek Show. Basically she's on that. So again she's
just been again Johenre queen like and you know, we
still never watched that Wonder Woman pilot. One of these
days we'll have to have to do an episode about her, her
Wonder Woman pilot.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
She's Sam Winchester's girlfriend too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, watch a lot of Supernatural, So did she go
to wonder if she goes to the Supernatural cons too?
But all these other I mean, all these Black Canaries
are on Supernatural too, like hoffin Is And I know
Katie whenever I saw like production photos of her own
Supernatural like just like the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Yeah, it's quite wild that she went from that to
being like the Laurel from Aero in the beginning. It's
like that was like a complete perversal of how she acts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, big big trivia thing here. I want to mention
about Erica Sarah. So she's in the iciest episode. Yeah, right,
And and somebody asked about like, hey, like you were
in this episode and you play this character and that
character is supposed to become Isis, and like what what
happened there? And she was like, yeah, so they cast me,
and as I understood it, maybe people were just telling
me stuff and this was never the case. But I

(01:13:15):
was supposed to be Isis in this episode. And then
it's something got changed and it became Lois as isis yea,
And they were like, well, it's you know, it's probably
cheaper because like they have Erica on contract and they
have to day right, And it became like a weird
because I'm like, that's the like, that's what's so strange
about that episode. You have the character Adriana Thomas as
we saw in the Black Eyed of movie. You know,

(01:13:36):
that's the woman who would become a black Isem's wife
and all that stuff. Right, So it's like even Christin
was like, what's the shows isis? Because the isis she
would made comment to that in the other panel. But
that was so interesting me because I had always like,
I guess, like did they change their mind or something,
and they they that's exactly the actress, That's exactly what happened.

(01:13:57):
Reminds me were the It's like the silver or the
Silver Band she had episode. Yeah, it's very similar because
it's like, oh, it's gets possessed by DC Gubbut's character
and then like at the end, the silver Banshee is
like played by the woman who plays like the innkeeper. Yeah,
and I thought, oh, we are they gonna like this
is just messy. Obviously changes were made. It's just so
funny to hear that. I'm like, thank you. These fan

(01:14:17):
theories and speculations were correct. That's the thing, right, we're
talking about last year versus this year. Last Yeah, it
was just the main cast members, Like the Lord Vandervert
wasn't here because she just got married. Yes, probably on
honeymoon or something. Right, we love Laura, friend of the podcast.
Then one of our best bump fins, Lord Vanerver, wasn't here.
Aaron Nashraul was here. I think he got like a
gig or a job or something. Central conflict. But I mean, wow,

(01:14:38):
they were so packed with people anyway, Like, what what
do you think they should do about the whole schedule?
Because I was We're saying, like so many people, so
much going on. Maybe another day made me other stage.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
I think they need another stage so that way, moderator, Yeah,
they need another stage. So that way you can do
things like having multiple things happening at once, and you
can kind of spread some of the things out a
little bit more throughout the day. You have more time,
and you have more space and more room and schedule
to do things, and and maybe it'll be easier for
people to kind of get to things. But also like

(01:15:09):
you know, some people will have to make a choice
certain things, but they could probably schedule the day around
certain things if there's more options.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Right, well, yeah, because in their last year, like there
was like two air conerns panels. Yeah for example, right
and the whole air Nashal and his own panel, like yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
So it's like if you can't in yeah, mix and
match and like on one day they can do one
at a certain time and another day could do it
in another time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Like those types of things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
I understand the struggle because you know, people are getting
photos people they need to be their boost Sometimes you
gotta get autographs, like you gotta have that time for
everything mm hmm. And then you know, as this convention
continues to be successful, I think we'll grow. I mean
we've been to Starchstal at Las Vegas, which is also
put on by Creation, and you know they had a
similar thing like oh we have the different stage over
here and this is going on there. And so I
think as they grow and they continue to get people

(01:15:51):
because with twelve people, yeah it's a lot of people.
They don't had, you know, seven last time, I think,
m hm, So I'm glad we have these these like
the women of Small Little Guest Star panels like like
this one here, but I do I I wish that
we had time for that. And also like and here's
Erica by yourself, right, or you're right, Christen by yourself.
And that's why I'm saying I feel like the two
compliment each other the two years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
So I feel like if you just came in, I mean,
do you feel like you missed anything, like as far
as like panels you would would have wanted to see?

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
No, I mean, I you know, it's it's it's just
fomo now from just hearing about you guys, like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I mean, last year was obviously so much better. I mean,
that's not I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I don't think that either.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Yeah, No, I don't don't. I don't. I don't. I
don't feel like I missed out anything because I but
it was because I got to be a gold tier
and I got to sit and watch all of them
in the main cast all at once there, So I
kind of felt like I got that in that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
But but if you didn't get that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Like, uh, it's a probably question for Joey unfortunately because
Joey didn't get chance to do that, you know. Uh,
but for me, no, I can't complain. I felt like
I didn't miss out anything really.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Yeah, speaking of you mentioned the Starjack Las Vegas. Yeah,
like that is a bigger con huge huge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Also it's been around for like decades.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
There is that. Do you like? I guess this is
a you know, this is a two part question. The
first part of comment, do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
You how big do you anticipate Smallville getting to the
point where it could where you could have certain things
like and like multiples and would you want it to
be I wanted to have certain of the things that
like start that Starchuk Las Vegas did, Like would you
want them to have a quarks bar for example?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Would you allow them to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Have talent talent oh my, you know like that coffee cups?

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, and that that type of thing. Do you want
them to have something?

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Kristen will be the telling from four. Oh my god, exactly, yes,
I want all that now. This is amazing, Okay, creation,
how about your boy? Yeah, play pool with micros a
mom for seven hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yeah, like because because like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
If you're in, you get your money back.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Yeah, because like because again like we've been to Star
Trek Las Vegas three times. When we were there, like
you know, they had as a bar area like you
know for you know, quarks for the d S nine
drinks being drinks and those types of things. You could
do that with Smallville they had, They had multiple stages.
There are multiple areas that were not vendors rooms that
you can kind of do and have activities and and
things to do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
They had enough planning the because socialized Veas is such
an institution because it's been that same spot for so long,
i mean moving around, it's kind of harder to get
different vendors. I mean they could if they wanted to,
they could. They should definitely explore more stuff like that
because that would definitely elevate the experience. Because keV like
if you know, imagine if like during those downs, if
we didn't have our table and we're just wandering around,
like what do you what are we doing? Like no

(01:18:27):
sitting I mean guess we're sitting in all the panels
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Yeah, but like you go congregate, there's playing small episodes
in this room, theater room, there's there's the talent over here,
you get some coffee and like, you know, it's just
just more than overall experience.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yeah, thinking about it now from that perspective of not
like running the like helping run the booth. If if
I was just there, yeah, I would probably find a
lack of things to do because they're either waiting for
a photo right exactly, listening to people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
And if we've already have our autographs or photos or
whatever costly people like Yeah, then I mean, and there's
other I'm just sitting there, but there are some freaks.
I mean, there's like a trivia panel and a costume
contest and no offense of those things. We didn't go
to those week. That was the perfect time for us
to be back at our booth. Yeah, meeting people, talking
to people, that sort of thing, which is again one
of the main draws to doing these things for us.

(01:19:14):
I just think expanding it a bit, they have to
have maybe a bigger venue. I don't know, like it
really just depends on what the capabilities of the eels
are and that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
A viewing room of like random small old episodes would
have been probably the best just to go watch a
bunch of small episodes have watched like Rabbit fans would
have been really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Absolutely, So they do that at Star Trek conventions and
like lansaid, like, that's kind of Star Trek as a bootprint.
So I mean literally the same people that put that
show on put the show on. So and I don't know, like,
I don't know, how big can you get? I mean
you can keep there's so many people you can if
you're gonna get and again, we love Ericuscera, but if
you're gonna be Ericascera, there's so many other people on
the spectrum of Small Livill guest stars you could get.

(01:19:51):
All right. People have been oh they've only been in
one episode, Well no problem, he come on, come on
down as famous as Adrian Plake he is. I mean
she was only in one episode. Yeah, of small. I
wonder have her and Laura at the same I have
a Supergirl panel, you know. I mean, that's it's kind
of funny how Laura's not even like she's the replacement
SUPERMANO for Laura. So yeah, yeah, so that's that's how

(01:20:11):
I'd say that. And then they had an auction. Sometimes
I go to that it's fun. This year, we again
we spent more time with the booth and that sort
of thing, so that was more fun for us to go.
But those auctions are fun to watch sometimes. I'm always
tended to like should I buy this? But I'm like,
where am I gonna hang this thirty foot banner of
Michael Rosenbaum in my house?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I don't know if you want to cut this or not.
But the lady that won the giant banner of Tom, oh,
I don't know if you were there for this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
So she comes in and it's right before I spoke
to him. Yeah, she farls out this giant banner of
his faith that that one picture the young and he
starts writing her name on it and misspelled it. But
then her husband was like trying to help her out
and like my name to it, and like he spelled
his name perfectly. She was, she was pissed. She's apparing

(01:21:07):
like like like like a Cruiseville member. She's like, I'm
not buying you shot, and Tom was like I can
write it down here like he did, like he end
up making but like there was a panic about what's
her name? Mabel?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Well, there's always bring extra love.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
You.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
I guess he must have done that, sorry, Mabel.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, he must have. He must have hit it with
an L E.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
I mean, yeah, that's Mabel. I can understand the Yeah,
now traditionally, I don't. I'm not gonna blame Tom for that.
The handlers of the booth and we've all experienced and say, hey,
what's your name? How do you spell it? They write that. No,
they write that on a sticky note and they put
that sticky on on the item. So when it gets
to the talent, they're like they look at that, and
that's how they know that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
She was like it was like people were like talk
like what's your name? Was like keV k e V.
I was like, I don't want you to spell anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, if they can't spell it, Mabel, they can't spell amante.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Granted now, to Tom's credit, also on this, like the
handlered person like that was doing all that stuff was
not there at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Well that's affiliate. You gotta be there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
He was just there by himself and they were like
and so like the normal people that were the hand
him stuff and do those things, they were not there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
So quite funny though, very funny.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Dam I'm sorry, Mabel. Yeah, they didn't kiff nice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
She got it fixed and she got a hug, so
I'm sure she's happy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, all right, Well that was all happening during that
time because she wanted at the auction clearly and came back.
I was wondering. I'm like, yeah, the answered some questions
like where did they get they because she's walking around
this gin like rolled up thing. Okay, all right, she.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Gonna do it. She didn't say it was going to
be her door on the cruise Make my door on
the Cruiseville ship.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Okay, okay, all right, hell yeah brother. So last two
panels or micro Rose Mom and Christen crec and then
Tom Wulligan and then Tom Willigan Eric had rints And
that's a great way to close it up. I remember
last year they closed it out with Tom and Kristen.
That was one of the best panels, you know, to
see them interact and it's interesting, like again this mix

(01:23:05):
and match. It's like, well, that was great. I don't
want to not have that for it, you know what
I'm saying. That's that's that's right, That's what I'm torn about.
The two years with the scheduling glance.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Yeah, it's it is a little weird. I don't know,
and I guess they were just trying something different. That's
why they did something different this time with it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
And also like I guess personnel will play a role
in this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
But at the same time, I think they're going into
this with the guarantee and the and the guaranteed assumption
that it's going that they're going to at least have
the main four of this, like the time, right, They're
going into it assuming it's gonna be Tom, Michael, Erica
Kristen at the very least May four.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
You say, yeah, who was second World in season eight?
So the the Michael Kristen panel, which again we're not
gonna make fun of Michael for a while, but he
was hilarious in this panel, but then he was also
very thoughtful. He was the dichotomy. You can do it
because so somebody asks like, do you have any favorite scenes?

(01:24:04):
And they stumbled through scenes, scenes, and Christen's like, no scenes,
and he's like, okay, well it was a sexy ye
I mean hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I mean they asked him, how did you feel when
you guys found out you were going to have a
romantic interest.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
You're like, yeah, yeah, well, Christen again the intellectual one.
She's like, because they asked him like, did you see
that coming? I was like, okay, nowhere from me. He
was very excited, but he never thought about it. And
christ was like, oh no, I saw that, you know,
because they had a little just there was an energy
there and it was kind of sexy sometimes. Then over the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Years, she's a pretty woman that to deal with that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Oh yeah, this guy wants me, so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
She hasn't experienced that. Michael could not understand.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
But no. But she's right though, because there's always those
scenes we talk about like like what kind of world? Yeah,
like when the Nico Demus episode, I.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Mean, hey, I was doing all those things for Clark, yeah, inappropriate?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Yeah, and then in a Covenant, right, we're like hugging
and make sure of the airport.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Christen, she didn't say it, she made the crowd say it,
but she said you were grooming me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, it's almost like you were so their interpretation that
was fun and no, just I mean they it's true though, like,
and I've said this on the podcast too, So it's
I'm glad that christ and Kuric felt the same way
about it. Like she's like, yeah, I know, like when
want I got more interesting and and more like her
her actions change and a wardrobe change. She was relaxed

(01:25:32):
and like they had. Although I don't like that relationship
them as actors and characters playing off each other was interesting.
I was very against that relationship, but she was like
Christen really picked up on that, you know. It was like, yeah,
it was coming into work and know we can play
off this. And finally she was She was kind of
moved past, like Clark, what do you what's your secret?

(01:25:52):
You know? And uh. Somebody asked Kristen at some point,
like what did you think Clark's secret was? Because you're
always like, yeah, what are you hide from me? Clark?
And she's like, that's a good question I ever thought
to ask.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
She said, I would have probably been a better actress
if I had figured that out. Yeah, no, that was
like one of my most like favorite questions someone asked
her because he's like, yeah, we as the viewer, we
know everything, right, So like, like, what did Lana think
Martin was actually doing well?

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I think after season one? I mean that's really cranks up,
right because she gets saved by him with the tornado. Yes,
so that's like her jumping off point to like being
suspicious because the season one there was really no like
real suspicion nothing. Also, she's in place for somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
Else, so yeah, not paying attention, so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Uh after she probably thought he was a meteor freak, right, yeah,
but then he gets her off the synthe all this
gas lighting that, yes, but also another spinning off that though,
like somebody else asked, like Rosenbaum, like, we think it's
Clark and Johnson's fault. You're evil and your dad's you know,
and and he I think wrote this is the thing,
like the dichotomy of him. He's like making all these
jokes and all that, but then like when you get

(01:26:58):
down to it and he's serious, he's like he's like,
oh yeah, you know, you know, LEXI bad this, bad that.
But ultimately, like everybody's a choice, right, and you got
to make the right Lex, We had the wrong choice,
don't be lex.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
And I'm like, like he actually brought some real like
he took that seriously, and that's that's the kind of
energy we want. We want more out of him. On
topvill we get so much to the first half, about
the second half, and there's there's room for both. We
just want a balance of it of it all. They
have great energy off each other and it was a
great panel.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
It was fun. Yeah, it was a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah. And then Tom and Erica last panel of the day,
Clark and Lewis. I mean they did Clark and Lotta
last year, so appropriate, That's what I'm saying. They kind
of compliment each other, Yeah, because I think last year
people like, where's the Clark and Lowe's panel? And then
my thinking is like, well, guys, I mean for seven years, Yeah,
that wasn't a thing on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
No. I wanted to mention because like, this is my
first time seeing them do a panel, of any of
these guys doing a panel, and this is my first
time seeing them really like this post show. You know,
you have your idea and them in your head. And
there was something about watching you know, obviously they're not
in character, it's it's Tom and Erica, but they would,
you know, they would tease the fact that they were
Clark and Lewis, and it was like something about seeing

(01:28:05):
this like very seemingly respectful, mature relationship between them two,
like like with accountability, like camaraderie and everything. And then
when Tom would talk about, you know, the relationship with Lana.
He said at one point it was very juvenile. Yeah,
He's like I don't want to anybodynile.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
And then I think back to like watching the panel
with Lana and you know Lex and like she's like, yeah,
I was very guvenile. I had to grow up and
I'm like mature now. It's like, yeah, it's it makes
the relationships make way more sense now than like, yeah
he was a lot of then he's the lowest. It's like, no,
there's there, there's genuine reasons, yeah, why it works here
and doesn't work there, And it like feels present in

(01:28:47):
their interpretations of their characters, like it makes so much
sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Well even even jumping back to you know, Christi when
she was talking about Anana's character.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
I know it was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Controversial, but like how it ended. I mean her pointing like, hey,
look she she's become a self actualized, you know, person
depending on who she's dating, because unfortunately so much of
the show was oh, who's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Lona dating or not whosted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
And so, and then also like the point I'm like, hey,
like your childhood sweetheart, and you know, we're not all
not as lucky as you can. We can't fall in
love with you childhood sweart and live heavily ever after shot.
But that doesn't you know, this hast always happened, right,
So like that's and I think they I totally agree
with that concept. I think they think they fumbled the execution.
But that's you know, that's where we are. But yeah,
I mean Christian has said for many times and even

(01:29:33):
the first time we saw few years ago, like yeah,
like she was happy with coming back and having Lana
just be her own hero in her own way and
not have to be dependent. And I get that as
a as a character and an actress like Andre playing
a character like that, I should say, like I get
that being fulfilled by that arc. Yeah, you know, as
a as a creative Now as a fan of these characters.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
I'm like, but yeah, but it will like because I'm
probably gonna do watched at some point and like I'm
excited to rewatch it now with all this inside, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Going to watch it when we when we start over
at episode one. Yeah, it's our big announcement. Yeah, now
we're gonna now run Yeah. Quick poll listeners, would you
rather ust review every episode? Of Always on a small
vill or.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
We go back and listen to the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yes, you can talk about my season one voice, which
a lot of people do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
They noticed. I thought, all I'll do on a lection's
episode and be like, was that guy using an Xbox
Live headset? I think he was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Well, I found it interesting today that we brought up
the season one Zach voice. That we brought up the
season one Zach voice and other people are like, oh yeah,
I can tell. I'm like, oh man, yeah, like what's funny?
What's funny? Is this came up at the last convention too?
A right, you and Matt are giving me so much
crap about it? Yes, season one Zach over? Is this
really this different? This is how I feel like I

(01:30:51):
should sound, you know, like right now? Is this that
different than my normal voice?

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, really yeah, Wow, that's I'm just.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Really wowless too much. I know, I will never go
back and listen to the first episode of Always gown
an Arrow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Well, you know, no, I'm just you know, I'm a
very joyful. I try to spread joy, right, I feel
like I'm a very I mean, that's like, what is
your purpose in life? I don't want to make people's
lives happier and better. We're using the skills I can.
I don't know anyway, I'm a very joyful, excited, excitable person, right,
wouldn't you say lance.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
I mean you could say that in the more excitable.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Well that's that's the problem. Like I get excited. I
just I'm so passionate about sharing all this stuff. This
is how I talk, you know. So anyway, let's just
go back and listen. I want to know when. I
want to know when you know. Look, you've seen okay,
I'm know Kevin Conroy all right, but this is an example, right,
Like you see him talking an interview and he's like,

(01:31:54):
oh yeah, and he's like, no, I'm batman, right. I
equate it to that kind of thing, like you just
I'm not changing voice. I'm just kind of locking in
and you know, right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
You just like I'm just kinda walker.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Well you know what if I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
I have I have a work professional voice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Right, Hello, I'm not Yeah, It's it's not like you
get a phone nubody you don't recognize people. My version
would be like hello, yeah, well that's what I'm doing.
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
I'm an automated voice though, right, like please.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
But this is what people this is what people want
to hear. I find this more soothing and sexy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Say I don't do any of that. Yeah, you already
have a sexy voice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Lance, I get you know how many comments you know, freaking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
You know what the first comments got them? Always held
on an arrow was our voices? Your voice?

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Out of here, man, I don't have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
But Alan from All Star super Fan, he's comedy. He's
like Lances deep silky voice than you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
But as Michael said, just just be you man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
So where were we? Yeah? So the Tom and Erica panel,
I don't think the season one voice is that different,
but we'll move on from it. No, that was great.
You know they talked about all their you know, intimacy
scenes and love scenes or whatever, and and Tom and
Erica they didn't talk about how they could trust each
other and these things. And then and and uh, Tom
was like it's like a fight scene, you know, not that,

(01:33:19):
but it's choreographed. You were hers. Okay. Then like directors
will come up to us and be like, okay, so
if you could do and like just tell us what
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
Just what do you want to say?

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
What do you want, what do you want? And then
they're like boom boom boom boom, thank you, like and
he's like, I'm sorry if that like ruins the scenes
for you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
That's how this is just so good because I don't
know if they're i mean like like perhaps they're playing
up the dynamic for the like, you know, the sake
of the fans watching there, but like they they're still
very much Clark and Lewis, like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
The way that's their energy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah, their energy. Yeah. And uh, favorite favorite question that
she was asked when someone asked, they asked Tom, but
she answered, uh, and it was about the relationship dynam
She said, hey, you know, every time you could be
with Lana, you had to like lose your powers and
then when you get them back, it wouldn't work. And
then she was like, but that wasn't issue with Lois.
Why and Erica just timed and she's like, I'm built
different And they got the biggest, like one of the

(01:34:11):
biggest reactions the night, and Tom's like, yeah, that's it,
that's it. She's just built.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Different now to be the uberner. They do it. They
literally address this in the Silver Banshi episode, Chloe asked
Clark by that He's like, oh, training, which which is absurd,
but I actually appreciated they addressed that. But that became
a funny runner like the rest of the panel was
built different. Yeah, no, that was that was great. People

(01:34:35):
asked them about the crisis scene keeps popping up, and
I know Tom mentioned the crisis scene and how he
helped him direct it. I thought he was like, yeah,
so part of the crisis on that girl girl or something.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
That's what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
So on Braand and he's like, yeah, you know, they
show up and they're like trying to figure out like
where they put the camera. And I'm like, hey, you know,
just a thought what because obviously he had been on
the show for ten years, directed many episodes. He knows
what to do. You know. That reminds me of another thing.
Somebody asked Sam Jones like, hey, when you're playing basketball
out there with with Clark, click, were those like did
you have like professionals out there making those shots? He's like,

(01:35:14):
Pete made all his shots. Yeah, so thinking about them
out there on there because he mentioned me speaking of
like where they're shooting and all that, he was like,
what's your favorite parts of the you know when you're
repeating he's like, yeah, he's playing basketball, being on the
dirt bikes, like just anything kind of out and about
yeah with Clark, which makes sense. He's, you know, nineteen
year old kids having a good time with Tom. So
somebody asked them about the small vel animated series. Again,

(01:35:34):
I mean, I think Welling was pretty realistic about it,
and he was like, yeah, you know it was it's
kind of more of a fan thing than like a
money making thing. I mean, he's reason right, I mean
like you can't look at the no I mean maybe
maybe well that's the thing, right, these conventions can even
go well you can point to this how many small
fans there are and he's like yeah, He's like, we
have a poster. We're all on it, and the idea
is that we all voice our characters and then on
this poster like like we're in the foreground and then

(01:35:57):
Lionel Luther was looming in the background. The had old
joke abou loving like he kept like using his hands
and he's like, fine, I'm gonna stop talking to my hands.
Was like looming and to me, you know, my my
fanthery pitch for this would be like they wanted in
food John Glover, right, so that's why they want to
clue Lionel. Like, and I'm like, I'm starting to question, like,
wait a minute, is this is like a sequel series, right,

(01:36:18):
not like episodes read, but like just episodes inside of
the episodes, which would be kind of interesting not you know, yeah,
just saying, but that's not we want Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
H a new voice actress, Well I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I don't know, so Crysta Bellaville. So the the We're
not gonna get Just Hall either, So they just live
in Star City. It's problem solved. But my my theory,
I've said this before and I think this is brilliant
and not to pap myself in the back, but like
what they need to do is lex as amnesia, right,
but he needs to like see Lionel Luthor the way

(01:36:53):
Harry Osbourne sees Norman Osbourne. Yeah, and like kind of
like yeah, totally, and that's his memories, right, trying to
come out through Lionel. Right, and like this this little
ghost or what. But it's not a ghost, right, it's
a literal repressed memory because who knows how that memory
rached thing worked. So that's the time. I don't want
him to see ghost Dad, the evil ghost Dad, just
in reflections. You know what I'm saying. If they don't

(01:37:15):
do that, that's such a misstop protector.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Hey, they need to like kickstarter this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Well that's well, that's the thing, right, if it's gotta
be you can't do that because these are copyrighted characters.
So Michael needs to call his best friend James gun
get this thingering lit, right, So that's what I But anyway,
people are gonna be bringing up forever because even the
first convention, they've been talking about this for years. Yes, right,
and like he's like, well Michael has the arts full,
Like that's the lea composter. Like I swear if Tom

(01:37:40):
would have had it, he would showing up here you go, guys.
I look, if I'm a betting man, I would say,
there's not going to be a small moment series, but
I would love to have it. Because we cover the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
There's not going to be a Batman Part two. So
of course.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I saw that presentation that James Gunn gave. Four out
of those ten things have happened. So I don't know
why you think that part two is not gonna happen,
that's not the song anymore by them, I think the
biggest takeaway. And that's why it's fun to see. It's
fun to see the actors and actresses by themselves because

(01:38:15):
they can just kind of answer all the questions and yeah,
you get just just them being them, but also these
these combinations. You see the chemistry between you know, Kristen
and Michael and Erica and Tom, and that's that's part
that's it's part of part of why we love these characters,
the chemistry with each other. That's why you can just
like recast people stuff, right because because that's that for
all the nonsense with Lex and all that stuff, like

(01:38:37):
they were really wise and never just straight up yeah,
this is the new Lex now because that would have
never because you know, we did the finale and and
and it's it's kind of a mess. And well, even
talking about last he always goes to be like that
and he has sinds and you can't go on that
journey with him and and for years I thought that's
just some bs Tom, but no, he really so so

(01:38:58):
respect right, I can't thought for Yeah, Yeah, he's like
the only thing I ever asked for on the show.
Was never where this costume. Yeah, you spend time watching
these guys. These are thoughtful decisions, and they inform what
they did and they kind of informed how you did it.
I mean, I still feel personally offended by what if
there is no suit? I'm never going to forget that

(01:39:20):
post on the Superhero eye, but the seventeen like eyeballs, like,
oh it came true. The last question was and yeah,
this is a good story. And he might have told
this on talk Field or maybe somewhere else, but the
way he told it was fun. Like you know, they
asked about crypt Night and stuff earlier and how you
play the different ones, different kind of shades of Kryptonite
and like Splinter for example, he talked about like yeah,

(01:39:41):
like it's not just me. It's like they shoot it
different lenses, like how do you how do you look
paranoid while they use different lenses, the lighting, like all
these makeup effects, Like it's not just him acting weird,
like they do other stuff to kind of but he's
like it's a collaborative effort, you know. And I mean
I wish he would direct more because he really understands
the ins and outs of television on such a deep level.
But the last question was like what's power was kind

(01:40:01):
of like your favorite to learn on the show and
all that, and they had some good jokes about heat
vision and what that. But he went out, he told
the story about the X ray vision. He's like, yeah,
so we're in the he told us. But he told
the story about x ray and when he got extra vision,
he's like, yeah, we're in the school. I need to
look through this locker because there's something in the locker.
I need to make sure it's there. Apparently be wrong
for me to just try to rip it open, but

(01:40:22):
I can look through it. That's it's a valid point. Yeah,
But they're like, okay, we got rolling sound rolling, and
I'm standing there, and I realized, like what am I
gonna do? Like, I've never nobody has xtra vision. I
don't know what to do. So so I I imagine
myself looking for it and finding it and expressing like hmmm,

(01:40:46):
and then I hear cut and I just hear laughter.
He's like what are you laughing at? And like, no,
that was great. I mean it looks ridiculous, but that
was perfect because you're like, yeah, I mean we've all
kind of like done it like you're just kind of
like looking yeah, and you're like, oh, it's just just him,
like I just think it's amazing. He was like yeah,
like I never really thought like how am I going
to do this? And that became the x ray vision

(01:41:07):
throughout the show. Him just kind of like because his
we've joked about it, for his default state is confusion, yes,
you know, and that's perfect for him, just but just
for him to be like, yeah, and I just in
my head, I saw myself finding what I was looking for. Yeah,
but that was that was a good question. And you know,
and I gotta you know, I gotta hand with the
small fans whenever, whenever you hand a fandom any any convention.

(01:41:31):
Last I've been in so many now, any convention when
they have like open mic and ask questions, it's it's
it's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
It is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
It's like what are these people gonna ask? And of
course every now and then there's some some questions I
have all no like all Rose mom self, we've already
said like all the respect, formula, keep it moving on talk.
It's like, come on, what what are these questions? But
I think for the most part, good questions we have
some good fans here, yes, and and I'm happy to
I'm happy to say that in our phantom because it's

(01:41:59):
it's a crazy world. A fan them out there, and
of course there's always outliners. But but I was I
was pretty happy with the open mic questions, and I
think in a lot of it's interesting. Like just in
kind of wrapping it up here, you know, it was
in it was in New Jersey last year, in Chicago
this year, Illinois this year. A lot of people came
to both, a lot of people are local. So what
was your take on like the attendance and all that
stuff LANs between the two years.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
I think the attendance was about the same. Yeah, it
felt like it was about the same. We got a
lot of like, you know, local this time for local
Chicago land, but also we still had people who come
from really far away like we did. It was like,
my goodness, that's that's crazy. That's that's that's that that's
some dedication that I don't know if I would participate in.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
I don't know if that's like that's something that I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Could execute, Uh, that that level of dedication on something. Yeah,
if I was like in another like it go to
another country.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
We're not going to Berlin for the Aero Con. Yeah,
like something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Like it's just like I didn't know. Okay, Yeah, I think.
I think that Tennis is probably about the same as well.
But they obviously would have made more money because they
have twice so many people to get autographs and pictures
off that sort of things. So yeah, I think. And
then you know, keV yeah, seguing it to it to
next year, they announced next year Sloop to Smallville is

(01:43:15):
in Nashville. Yeah, November sixth, seventh, and eighth, twenty twenty
six in Nashville, Tennessee. How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
That is where my home and all my stuff is.
I'm very excited about that. Hell yeah, b that's great man.
Oh yeah, hell are you brother? No? Uh you guys
had to come down and see uh uh the small, big, crowded,
small crowded town city Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Yeah, we can eat hot chicken and uh square dance
with bacheouettes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
That's right. It's like the number one bachelor party.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
So guys that that is not a joke. Yeah, they
take over, they take over the downtown. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
I've never been so I'm looking forward to it. So
you know, you have a saying down Texas. Think you
have in Tennessee for me, pull me once, shame on
you full for me. You can't get fold again. I
just I mean every time I watched this d watch

(01:44:16):
his drive, such a one liner machine.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
That's my favorite President drive.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
I watched this drive the full we will stop these
terrorist killers. Now watch this drive.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
It was a good drive.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Drove that was a good drive it anyway, tell the
so yeah, no, we'll we'll be in Tennessee. Uh, good
Lord will then we'll be in Tennessee next year all
together again. No, and and hopefully you don't will see
a lot of y'all out there on the returning or
coming for the first time. And uh and I think,

(01:44:52):
you know, as they continue to evolve and grow the convention,
you know, there's little things here and there. I think
the good tweak, but I think, uh, I think they're
on the definitely the right track here. I mean only
the second year. I think they they're uh, they're they're
in a good place, you know, as they continue to
grow and add people. And I think, you know, getting
Cassidy Freeman, yeah, would be huge. I mean I would.
I would pay whatever the VIP you know, picture and

(01:45:14):
signature and stuff for her.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And then Sam Weaver first front of the podcast. Be
good to see him, Yeah as well. Again, so this is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Huge again the twenty fifth anniversary.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Twenty fifth anniversary. Yeah, go all out everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
And you know another good way for them to go
all out. Gotta say it, Allison mat Awson.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Mac, Okay, I didn't think you were gonna say it.
That's why I said it. Yeah, awesome, Mac, are you serious.
Let's let's okay, serious, serious minute, serious minute? Okay, So
look it is there. And actually I have this conversation
with some people today to multiple people about how Mac like,
is there a statute limitations on when we like, I

(01:45:53):
think it's too soon.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
It's twenty twenty five, nothing is too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Well he got me there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Well I'm just saying I think it's look.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Again, like you think and and and being serious and that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Not such a distraction lance, right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
It'd be a draw number one, I don't And then
based and then especially based off on like of of
what happened with Sam Jones the third.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Today, like yeah, that's a little different though.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
But you never know. Again, it's twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I mean, don't get me wrong. First in line, V.
I actually I've been in love with you since I
was fifteen, and I can fix you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Now watch his drive. Yeah, I'm just I'm just throwing
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
No, it's they can't. It's too soon, like the fortieth,
the fortieth, okay, the thirtieth anniversary of Smallville. Maybe. I
just this is this is a sacred time of celebration
of positivity, all right, and we that's.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
That's hard again, hard to say in the year of
our Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Time, I'm talking about this island of sandbox of Smallville.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Okay, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
That would that would be all of the attention, Like
you gotta do it like the twenty year you fniversary, right,
I mean, like you can't put her on like a
big you know, like the silver anniversary. That's a big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
It is a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I'm saying, like thirty first anniversary. Maybe bring her, Okay,
but no, let's let's for the mentioned right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
No, I mean I think you know Sam, like well
Alison was great and all this stuff. And yeah, so
I mean the they walk this tight rope on Talkville
all the time they mentioned her and they say, hey,
she did great work and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Again, it's it's it's the elephant in the room that
that that is going to have to be addressed at
some point the first time she shows up. It's gonna
be the thing anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Well that don't make it though, don't make that show
the overshadow the twenty fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Yeah, I mean I think I think it's gonna be
difficult for her because of the nature of her crime.
It's not the fact that she has done something wrong.
I mean, every one of that cats has had some
I'll have the mudshot probably out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
There already right well at least a yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
So yeah, it's it'll be challenging for the nature.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
But the thing is, when the conversations I did have
with people there, they didn't seem to be like against
the idea of her ever just coming back, which is like,
so I felt like it just needs to like if
it's even like brought up as like a question to
see like what the fan base would feel about it,
because if they're like, we don't care, then I guess
why not. But like if they do care, then why

(01:48:21):
would you even consider that? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
I am look, I missed her second chances and reconciliation, right,
I'm all about that. I just there's a time for that. Yeah,
And I just I mean, it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
May not it may not mean first in Nashville next year,
but like, yeah, it's just it's gonna be tough. It's
because it's the nature of what she got.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
I mean that that you have to like she has
to start a real rehabilitation three or four years.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Before, judging off of other people recently, she needs to
go to the taj Mahal and take a picture in
front of it. That's what Will Smith did. So, yeah,
girl got it so bad?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Is it? It's kind of maybe I listened too much.
She said, you look at something too long.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
It's really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Du But no, you look at a word like am
I spelling this right? And you start to question your mind,
like you start this is this rhythmic? I like pretty?
I also like pretty cool. I hear her just saying, well,
you know it's near anyway. I mean, and again our
serious moment, Will Smith, I'm sorry, I don't think you

(01:49:22):
compare with Will Smith?

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Did I don't know, no, no, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
There has to be a public look. And I don't
even think she's interested in that. I think she just
wants to live for life now and yeah she's security
and maybe when she's like fifty five, you know, come
on out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
And we've all forgotten.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Yeah, well we're not gonna forget. But it's just I
don't know y'all that what I mean. You're right last
it is an elephant in the room. But I think
we've been navigating it for so long at these conventions
and on talk field for example, Like it's just this
understood thing, Like I almost bought this fake Allison maxicnature
thing today.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
I'm like, well I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
That's not a real sing those I'm aware, why'd you
do that?

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Because there's a chance I met Well now, I'll never ever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
See her all rights shows up next time. I would. Yeah,
I mean, guys, you know what, let us know what
you think? You know, I you know, I know we
don't get a lot of immediate feedback and conversation here
in that and then in that sort of way. But like,
you know what, if you're shooting us an email about anything,
just I would Kevi, You're right, I would generally be
curious what is the temperature on that? Because I don't.

(01:50:27):
I'm so conflicting on of myself, but I certainly want
to do it on the twenty fifth anniversary.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
I'm trying to imagine she was walking around, like like
she's walking around. I just saw her, like I like
I'm walking out like John Snyder and I just see
her there and she's like nice and cordial. How that
would feel I'd be like, that's that just feels. I
would feel probably weird, maybe a little uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. It's I we cannot do
it on the twenty Well, that's my hardcore and we'll
talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Thinking about like the brief conversations I had with like
the cast members that I interacted with, and like the
stories like Joey interacted with Eric Jonathan's beautiful things like
what do we what do we say to her? Hey,
I really liked your character.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
You know, I saw that I saw the vow and
I mean really, I mean I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Know, Yeah, I don't know what to say. You you got.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
I didn't know that I really did, Like so she
was to take the sturm. This is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's like I I really like, like, you know,
I'm like, hey, I watch you guys in Afghanistan. You
guys got me through dark time. I would feel weird
saying that to her.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
You got me through a dark time because of.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
New information, it's unfortunate, Like, but I don't because I mean,
you guys tell I mean we all love Chloe here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Yeah hell yeah, bro yeah like.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
That that that that was our hell connect that was
our connection point there. We're like, but I see points.
It would be a giant draw. It would make a
lot of headlines. I guarantee you they will have the
largest attendance they've ever had there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Yeah. But what if she's on talk Villa at some
point before it's over, then.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Well, well like that that's probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Right before all this saw she was gonna be on
inside of you. I remember one of these conventions, She's like,
gona else the else, Right, this is like twenty seventeen
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
I have her on inside of you. But let let
her speak her peace. Yeah, I don't know, man, tell
her story. Then you know you can have you know
her story? I know, I know, but you know, it's
just like if that's what you're gonna do, But honestly,
I think you're probably more right of she probably doesn't
want anything to do with this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
I mean, why would you put yourself back in the
smart Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
I would not. So if she does, that's that. I mean,
that's not her, that's but like I would assume she
just kind of wants to live the life she has
now instead of well, hey for the twenty fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
If they you know, they don't get Alison mac you
need to do everything you can to try to get
a net.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
It's just not her scene.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
I know it's not her scene.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
But maybe being that this is the silver that she
might do something she do one time thing or is
that controversial as well?

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
I mean she's done a lot of bad things. No,
that's not true. And o tool is a stand up
human beings everything.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
I know. Yeah, if she, if she ever comes to
one at this point in her life, it would be
thisny thing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
I mean, like, you know, there's a Halloween convention. Jamilee
Curis was like the fotith anniversary one gayble he stuff
to charity and maybybe something like that to point lance, Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Have a panel with like her and John Schneider. Yeah,
cool and beating sixty five?

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Well can we get he did that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Yeah? I mean hell yeah, brother, and have Michael McKean
come also.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
McKean, that's the key. Yeah. Well, if you're gonna get
them on, you know, the small of the Animate series,
you need them both. So yeah, no, I don't think
we're gonna get it, Okay, So go for two man.
I I didn't expect a conversation to take that turn.
That's an interesting I mean there, Like I said, y'all,
let us know. I really am curious. I feel like
I feel like we're all conflicted about this. Maybe some

(01:53:49):
people have read her off forever. I choose to never
write people off forever. I feel like you should have
a second chance. But I do feel like she might
not be interested in being put in the back in
the public spotlight. Yeah, that's how I feel about it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
I'm just Drew skiving that meme, just.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Just saying, but I mean, and then, well we can
leave it here. But like I think he would agree,
not the twenty fifth who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Again, just just asking, all right, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
In that note, we had a great time it salute
to small Villa.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Yeah, no, it was a fantastic time. Now watch his.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Drive quick round Robin here. My favorite things were the
Eric Johnson panel, the San Jones A third panel, Kev's
interactions with Tom and Michael. Those are my top three things.
What about you Lance?

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
Watching keV soak up being at his first con, you
know everything that that entails interactions with people at our
at our table.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Absolutely and mean Tyra, I guess apart from the obvious
of me just kind of kind of being on cloud
nine about getting the talk and have little kind of
personal conversations with with with Tom and Michael, very anybody

(01:55:07):
that came up to the to the booth and talked
about won the show. I was always happy to hear
people talk about how they love listenings. Is always want
a smallville. But if when anybody was like, hey, like
I've listened to errow and it or they they had
to take a picture, or they asked to like just
just interact with some of it. And there were some
people that did that, Yeah, uh, that blew my mind.

(01:55:28):
I am extremely grateful for that. I hope I was
gracious in my like I was probably freaking out because
I was like, I can't believe someone actually wants to
like talk to me about this or any of these things.
And hearing people like say and you know, this, this
is this is always the weird tight rope, you know,
and I know you did with it more You're like,
I don't want to come off sounding like anything other
than like, you know, I don't want to come up

(01:55:49):
be taking a wrong way here, but like anybody coming
up being like, hey, you guys, do anything to help
me is overwhelmingly like. It's a great feeling because we're
passionate about this. We love having we do have a
good time. We've built bonds and friendships over it. And
to see other people also like we. There's a whole
group of of of wonderful ladies that like created like

(01:56:10):
a group, a friend group from the last the last Conlet's.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Take a second. I do just want to shout out
them all and say that they all five of them,
yeah one something in our giveaway context. Yes that was
not planned, not rigged at all. We swear that just
one by one, they all keep coming back and the
wonderful women looking forward to seeing the next time with
the next I mentioned figure. They formed a fanger, just

(01:56:35):
a just a group of fans, much like you know
we have done in our own way as well. That's
a small ble bringing people together. It does I was like,
the yes, I agree with everything you guys are saying.
I'm just doing the basics, like ABC favorite things. But no,
those intangibles are also are just always so important. I
think that to me, the intangibles are as important as
the tangibles. And so, yeah, you come for the panels

(01:56:56):
and the access and the opportunities to meet and see
these people that we've you know, grown up and spent
our lives watching and enjoying their work. But you also
but you stay for the the the people you you
just come across and you meet, the table in the
hallway or the conversations you have and the interactions and
the sparks and the interactions and that sort of thing.
And yeah, it's so heart warming to know that people

(01:57:18):
out there listening that you help them either you help
them through tough times or help them just pass the day,
and you're just part of their routine get through traffic. Yeah,
I mean, like you guys say on air all the time,
like get your laundry is almost done, and yeah, I
meant because you know the yeah, because you guys just
seen me interact with the people that come up too,
Like hopefully I come off as you know, who I am.

(01:57:38):
That's my authenticity is my thing, and I try to
be as off authentic as possible and uh and yeah,
and that's what. And I've told people it's like, hey,
look I have podcasts too that like that they're what
I am for you, that is for me, you know,
like like the Twilet Zone podcast. Tom Elliott have become
good friends over the years. We've we've done the Twilight
Zone conventions together and so like what you are for
me here like I am for him there. So it says,

(01:57:58):
you know, that's what it's all. Paying it ford and
putting back in there. Yeah, shout out Tom again. I
want to thank everybody that they came and saw us
and talk to us. I mean, you're not there to
see us. We happen to be there when you're there
celebrating something else.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
So the fact that you take any time to coming
knowledge our existence means a lot to us. And doing
this together is so fun and we enjoy these trips
and it's like I said, the intangibles and tangibles, it's
as much about getting to spend time together and doing
these things here. And I mean, you know, doing these
in person together together, that's a rare thing for your
Lance and I on occasion because we live in the
same city. But Kevin, you know, the other times we've
been able to do with people, it's it's been fantastic.

(01:58:32):
So yeah, I want to shout out to Joey especially
this year, and then Chris and Matt from last year.
And hopefully we'll just keep growing this this contingent of
friends and listeners that that are meeting up at these
at these conventions, and maybe we'll do like an official
we'll get together some kind We're always on a small
vell At some point, I don't know that'll be fun,
But right now we're just we're taking it one year
at a time. And yeah, I can't believe next year

(01:58:53):
a twenty fifth niversary. Small bll. We are so old.
So but yeah, I mean, I cannot recommend these conventions enough.
They do one a year, and as long as they
keep doing one a year, we will be here once
a year and I look forward to seeing everybody out
there again next time. So guys, if people want to
find you, why they're online, where can they find you?

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
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of my social media's and you can find myself and
keV talking about all the things that make Arrow Arrow
on Always hold on the Arrow and you can find
us on Twitter at Do Not Fail Our Pod.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
And I am back on Twitter at chill Underscore Us.
So chill us hype pronounce my last night. I have
an Instagram. Just look up my name Cavanta Chillis and
you'll see me hanging out with my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
All right, well, yeah, so we will be back for
fucking hell. So you guys are curling in season seven. Yeah, yeah,
Arrow and we are curling our post small villlera on
Always on a Smallville.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
But as I keep teasing, you know, there's books, there's comics,
there's other things, there's interviews, other exciting things. I think
I keep seeing that exact combination of the words in different
forms since we did the series finale. But we will
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