Episode 218 - 10x22 Finale, Part 2 - Always Hold On To Smallville

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, my name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Kent
on Smallville.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
And this is Michael Rosenbaum Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm John Glover. I was Lionel Luthor on Smallville. Hey, guys,
this is Laura Vandervoord.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I played Kara Kent slash Supergirl on Smallville.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
This is samwit Where I played Davis Bloom aka Doomsday
on Smallville.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey. This is Alisander Giuliani doctor Emil Hamilton on Smallville.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
I'm Jeff John's writer of Legion, Absolute Justice and the
Booster Gold episodes of Smallville, and you're listening to all.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Welcome to Always Learn to Smallville. In this podcast, we
talk about each and every episode of the Young Superman
Show with the Ramp from two thousand and one to
twenty eleven on the WB and the c W. I'm
your host, Zach Moore, and we have arrived at the
series finale, Part two Hard two. As we discussed in

(01:43):
our Part one discussion, these are two episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I never thought of them as two episodes, but we
have another Absolute Justice gate on our hands, and we
decided to split it into two now. Over our finale
watching experiences in Part one I've never watched these as
two parts before. No, no, no, never, why would you.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
I've mostly avoided rewatching.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Them, as have I. But you know what, I think
part two is better than part one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean, obviously we're going to break it down for you, right,
but part two is a stronger episode. But it makes epic,
epic miscalculations about what to do yes with these characters

(02:32):
and wrapping up these stories and given us what we
want so finale part two it's a different vi me experience.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Right, Yes, totally? Can I do just kind of like
a broad questions.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Absolutely, At what point when you.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Were originally watched this, if this happened to you at all,
did you realize or did you start getting scared.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Of like are we not going to go a suit?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
We had that for basically the first hour fifteen minutes.
We were like are we going to get this at all?
And then we perked up a little bit when we
finally see it and it's like, well, whatever they have
at the end of this is going to be like
a big payout.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That'll be cool. No, we worked remote for the majority
of it. I had felt like by the time Lex
showed up Clark should have been in the suit. I
feel like Lex and Clark's conversation, he should have been
Superman at that point.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
He should have been wearing a cape. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I remember watching this, uh probably around that time, like
realizing like Lex is on the board and like, oh,
we haven't done anything with a suit.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yet, huh.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I feel like we should have seen something online by now,
you know, Like that was when it was all starting
to hit me of like we might be screwed here.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, like I said, last time, you know, last, and
look at each other every commercial break and say, there's
still time. I distinctly remember, you know, back in the
day social media wasn't what it was. There were a
few long standing superhero websites, crypt On Side of Course
being one of them, Superhero Hype being another. I used
to lurk on the superhero Hype forums quite often, never posted,

(04:07):
never had an account, but I would go because there
was Smallville and there was Heroes, always long the Heroes,
and those were the two TV shows that were on
at the time. Not today people are like, there's there's
so many. But I will always remember this, this post,

(04:28):
in this message for him, it was about Smallville, finale speculation.
I'm talking about the costume. Ah, is it gonna have
e's he gonna have trunks? Is it gonna have the
yellows on the back. Is it gonna be this? Is
it gonna be that? And then somebody said what if
there is no suit? And they had like four of
the eyeball emojis, and I was like, ha.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Ha, don't be stupid, They'll be a suit.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
There are a lot of I'm gonna read a few
quotes and things over this part two discussion because a
lot of the things we want to unpack come from,
you know, the actors. Right. So there was an original
version of the series finale where he's Superman the whole time.
Here's what Tom Welling get to say in his interview
with Entertainment Weekly about this very topic quote. Our series

(05:16):
finale was supposed to be in the first act, Clark
puts on the suit and flies around, saves Lois on
a plane and does this other.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Stuff flows through line old.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
For instance, there was a call that I had with
Peter Roth, who is the head of Warner Brothers Television,
who's a good friend of mine and we have a
great relationship. I said, that's not our show, Peter. He's like, no,
it's going to be great, and I go, yeah, but
just think about what we've been doing. If we jump
into that, we haven't earned it. We jumped onto this
idea that at the end of the show. The idea
is that Clark becomes Superman and he's out there and

(05:49):
we know he's out there, but we can't go with him.
But that we know and we feel good that he's
out there doing good. That's what we strove for, and
I think we hit it. I like the ending of
the series, it's like, yes, he did it. I hope
the audience didn't feel like we didn't show them something
that they needed to see. I feel like we gave
them the jumping off point for their imagination as to
what could happen. So does that answer your question.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Matt Thomas beef Wellington, That is not at all what
you should be saying like that, that it truly feels
like the cop out right, Like, yeah, it's so weird
to me that, like because of what the show is,
because the iconography here, like that is the biggest sin
of this episode for me, that we don't Yeah, even

(06:31):
if it's not till the end or whatever. Like even
if it was all the same plot that we're looking at.
If when he when he became Superman, we actually saw
him in the suit, it would be pretty much accepted
by us.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's like, yeah, they did it, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, And it's funny like him saying that, Like, I
get where he's coming from. But he because he really
held on to the idea of no tides, no flights.
He was very serious about that. He really took that
to heart and the idea of like, yeah, like you know,
we know he becomes Superman, we just can't go with him.
I get that sentiment. Remind though, however, of Batman sixty six,
and it is like, man, it sure gives a fellow

(07:06):
a good.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Good feeling to know they're out there doing their job. Well,
well yeah, we know that.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
But again, seeing him actually in it, like like would
be the fulfillment of Clark's destiny, right, which is also
what the show was about. So not giving that to
us is a drag.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, that is definitely there's a one two punch of
this series finale that really cripples it from what it
could have been. That's one. We'll get to the other one.
I think we all know what it is. But yeah,
no worried to eating spot here because we're talking about
part two of this complete thing, and so we're going
into it this way. And I think, Matt, I think
that's a great point. As contrived and as some of

(07:45):
this stuff was, and how some of the stuff seemed
rushed or didn't that up or whatever. Had we seen
this man where a physical Superman costume, so many of
our criticisms would have been, you know what, he did it?
But instead it's like, you know what, he didn't do it.
I mean, I'll tell you what else.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, and the rest of it was weird.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
No, I was gonna say, like that sentiment sounds like
they didn't realize they had ten seasons of a show, right,
It's like if this was a one season show, sure,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
That is a season one mentality.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, but like even like, oh, it's got the teenager,
No he's not get married.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, These are things that I've said so many times
on the podcast, so I've were kind of retreading old ground.
But we're here at the time to time brought up
the finalities. I mean, I've said it many times. Had
had the show ended like that, mental okay, season seven,
maybe season five maybe, like, but but after that, you cannot.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
Do that, right?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yes? Right?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
And they had that's so interesting, like they they wrote
it a whole other way, and to know that Tom
was like, oh, we can't do that. I'm like, so
you can't, actually so kill to see these patches.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, So question, since they didn't do the suit thing
because of no flights of tights, would it have been
better if they just had not done anything at all?
In the very last shot, it's him ripping open.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, let's that's the last shot of that episode.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I mean, the fact is they were teasing us with
the Superman returning costume all season, and my suspicion is
they're like, oh, we'll get Tom to wear the suit.
It's fine, we'll figure it out later. And they didn't
figure it out later because I mean the last shot
of the last shots of Prophecy is the costume still
in the fortress there and where we saw it in Lazarus,

(09:28):
and it's like, well, there it is again. Did you
not know we weren't gonna see it?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Put this on. But I mean, that's that's the shadow
that this episode, in this entire series lives under. It's
kind of infamous, right that. I mean Tom Willing himself
has said like, oh, I didn't play Superman, play Clark
k't now because Tom came back for Christ and Infanteurse
like and Talkville. I think he's regained a lot of
good will for the fans. Definitely for me and I
think a lot of our listeners and fans and like,

(09:54):
that really shows that he cared about the character. He
was just he was not in a alignment what rest
of the fans wanted on this particular item, and it's
a really important item.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, he cared about the character. Maybe not about the iconography.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's not fair. Yeah, yeah, because he's true to the character,
like throughout all ten years. I mean, you know, within reason,
there's always you know that they exist in the goalposts
that they're playing in. But I never said Clark kid
would never do that or whatever, like and and when
it was, it was because he was younger. He was
figuring it out right. So I really thought, especially in
this last air of the show eight nine and ten,

(10:31):
he was he was. He was the fact of super
That's what's so frustrating. Yeah, like, did you not want
to get type cast? Because I got news for your brother.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
He is all but superman.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
But I mean, yeah, we cracked that conversation open early.
All that being said, and you guys ready we are
yeah yeah man. And now the series finale of Smallville, they.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Say every man has a dark side aside he keeps hidden,
hidden from the light, from friends, from loved ones, even
from him son. We have the destiny together, Clark on
the on different side. I'm not a thing man.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I want some sun.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
LAXI Finale, Part two. Part two, aired on May thirteenth,
twenty eleven, was written by Brian Peterson and Kelly Sounders
and directed by Greg Beeman. Greg Beaman prolific Smallville director.

(11:37):
He directed My Favorite episode Salvation, the season finale of season.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Nine, favorisode.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Huge gap between that and his previous episode, the one
hundredth episode Reckoning your other Favorite and season five No.
I've come to like the episode a lot more over
the That's one of the things the things I've turned
around on, not that I never liked Reckoning, like I
liked it, but I didn't love it, And now I'm like, oh,
that was great.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I was just so mad they killed Jonathan Wana back
in the Day season four, the commencement, Yeah, unsafe Crusade
working backers from Raphy. Look listen to this from season
three Covenant Legacy. Here after a Silent Exile, what pretty
good Ring, what a string episodes, and then season two
solid stuff to Exodus, Prodigal Lineage, Vortex, and then all

(12:23):
the way back to season when Tempest is one of
my other favorite episodes. Incredible. Listen his season finale track
record is pretty strong. Tempest, Leech and Hothead's another episode
that way back. I remember I was like, oh, is
it the silly football one bit? It was actually had
a message.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
It was actually pretty good.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
It was better than we remembered because we were like
because like in our regular.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Like normal like normal quote unquote normal.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Discussions when we were talking about we would like rank
on the on the Hothead episode a lot, but then
we will be watching for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I was like, Oh, this is not does yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Just like that? Uh can we talk about toxic the
Oh yeah, that lame green origin of stuff like that?
One's that bad?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Pretty good? Excellently.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Oliver Queen actually had it worse than yours.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Two years times.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Christopher was on the show. Incredible. I heard Terry Asher
was on the show too, more or less. Look, we
went over the ratings last time. You know, they cracked
three million, which was I mean, these were the highest
ratings they had had this season.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
What was the Do we know what the pilot ratings
were for small Villain Matt?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Funny? You should ask ratings watch for the pilot? Oh?

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Sorry, that's still god damn.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Last one. Congratulations you played yourself October sixteenth, two thousand
and one, the pilot for Smallville, Matt. What do you
think the ratings were going to give you? Guys? No
context at all? Yeah, this is fun. I thought we
were done. We got one last ratings. Watch this is fun.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
I'm just gonna say seven all.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right, Yeah, that was gonna be mine. So I guess
I gotta deal like seven point one, guys, I have
no idea. Oh I don't even know about that. It
was two thousand and one. Man, it's like eight channels.

(14:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Let's go a a modest five point five.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Five point five, yes, eight point three five? Who yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Incredible?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I get to.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Play and the highest rated episode of the entire series
red eight point eight nine.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Why was that sure, okay, because people love bad Clarks.
That's why we saw way too many times over the
course of the series. But incredible, right, I mean they
ran ten years and shaved off five million viewers. I
mean that's good retention for ten years. Maybe I don't know,
it's really hard to compare because what else runs ten years?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right?

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Man?

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Totally.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
It's interesting to me though that you're talking about, Like
Red was the series high where I feel like end
of season two mid season three was like when the
peak people I knew that were not nerds yes, would
see me in school in a Superman shirt and be like,
oh is that Smallville?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Samee?

Speaker 5 (15:17):
No, It's just wow, Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
That was the peak of it, like where everybody was
like legitimately watching the show and you knew about it,
and like, I think only thing I can kind of
compare it to, like we're like, like I guess water
cooler shows for kids, right, Like you know when we
were at school was like Buffy because like you was
gonna say, like people would watch Buffy like casually, but
people would talk about it also casually and socially, and

(15:40):
there was like a cultural awareness of that show and
that was like it was Smallville was like that as well.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
So there's a great Will and Grace gag and like
season five or season six of that show where it
opens up and Will and Grace are in their den.
You can't see the TV, but you hear Revy Zero
playing yep and Jack Sean Hasey's character it comes in.
It's just like oh, small Villa nins. Yes, I used
to do that as well. It was cultural.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
He was a thing. Everyone was a part of it.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Brian Peterson and Kelly Sunders. I mean they've been around
since season two. I mean they wrote so many there
are a lot of highs and a lot of lows,
but I mean they were the executive producers at this time,
and of course they're the ones that you want to
turn the show over to now. You know, our friend
Craig burn crypt on site shout out to Craig. He
interviewed Alan Miles for the twentieth anniversary of Smallville and

(16:32):
asked them about, you know, the the series finale, and
I'm just gonna read a couple of excerpts from this interview.
Craig asked them, how would you have been in the
show differently? And Al says quote. You know, honestly, Craig,
we didn't watch the last three seasons, so I'm not
quite sure how it ended. And here's what Miles said, quote,
we always wanted to go back to there's the scene

(16:53):
in the Cassandra episode hour Glass where we see Lex
in the white suit and the sunflowers and at the
White House and him as president. And the idea was
that we see Clark interview Lex as president. We always
felt would be a really good framing device for finale
and imagine that as a flash forward. Yeah, and then
we flashed back to the circumstances where they had their

(17:16):
ultimate falling out and now this is back when they
didn't know if Rosama was going to leave the show.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
So essentially the best scene of the episode for an
entire episode.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yes, any moment you'll hear some voiceover like pre lapped
and then you'll cut back to it.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know, that was so insightful, I think because I'm like, yeah, like,
because that's because this when you get Lex back and
you see those guys together, like that's the show.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Yeah, there's something to that too, where I would almost
accept some of the suit cheekiness in in that version
of it. Where like if if you know, Clark can't
start reporter at the Daily Planet, goes to interview the
President who we used to be friends with, and the
President's just kind of something on his mind that happened

(18:03):
that one week a couple of years ago, Like you
could get away with like not having welling have to
put the suit on, and like in the Oval office
scenes have to be like well, of course you know
you were less flashy back then, or you know, like
you kind of like like Lexi dialogue of like alluding
to the fact that he's Superman now that he knows, yeah,
but not having to show it, letting letting the show

(18:25):
be the show in the flashbacks and then get that
future bet too.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah. I mean the last quote here from Miles about
it is quote, we did have a plan to have
this flashback episode with lex Maggi to the White House
and Clark is a storied reporter for the Daily Planet
interviewing him. I think it would have been good, Like
can we can I pay them to ye? Yeah? Right?
How much does that cost? On cameo?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
What's even crazier, like in a perfect world that episode,
like let's say somehow you wrote the check to get
Tom and suit. I think they were so worried about, well,
if he's in a suit, he has to do things.
He's like, he doesn't have to if you just have
him in a suit having that conversation, that's that's like Seriously,
if it was like, like we take the Lex and
Clark scene from part two, right and Clark is in

(19:12):
in his suit and he's like talking to President Lex,
that's all we that's He's exactly like fly around and
punch things and use a lot of CG butt, like
CG budget, Like, that's not what we need.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
For the scene we all wanted was the scene from
the end of Loews and Clark's pilot, yeah, or Hamate
series pilot where Lex is on top of the world
Luther Corp Orlex Corp. Whatever they decided to call it
at that point, and Superman's floating outside his window and
they had this standoff. Yes, we wanted that with these
versions of the character, and we sort of got it here.

(19:44):
And that's why we're like, guys, we all said, we're
all watching like that's the best scene.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yes, it was so funny too, where it was just
like we were watching you know, with with with Jazz
and with Sarah, and it was just like, there's gonna
be a scene where we all shut the hell up
and all of us quiet, just like hanging on every
word that said.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It was great. I was I was gonna say, poor Jess,
who like did not understand the concert of the show.
After that scene, she leaned over, she was like, is
that like because I was like, I was like, that's
the heart of the show.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That was the show, and she leaned out.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
She's like, I really enjoyed that because she has not
seen Michael Rosenbaum like act outside of seeing him on
like podcasts. Though. Sure, okay, so one, you know when
you see rosenbaumb and then you see him act, he's
a totally different person. Yeah, she's like, oh wow, Like
he's just quite talented. It's like, yeah, when he's playing lex.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
D, I'm a good actor.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
So that is all though what might have been. Yeah,
but we need to be unburdened by that. Down to
Earth sixty here we go. So Part two starts out
with previously on Smuggle by Michael rosenbamb They pulled the
sound file out from when he recorded back two thousand

(20:56):
and four or whatever. That wasn't the fifth thing he
did because he's back. Now, I got some thing to say,
Rosamond coming back. We'll save that for when we see him.
But this was at the beginning of part two, when
the episodes are in two parts. It was at the
beginning of the whole finale when it was one part.
Obviously basically the whole show in a nutshell, Like we
see the meteor show, we see Clark saving Lex from
the car. We see so much.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
All the expensive shots from the past ten years.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
We see some in there porches of solitude Joerell like
as Smallville always did, and make it look like the
greatest show ever made, the most exciting for you, Lois
Lois Lane Clark catching that CGI car. I never loved
that shot. I'm not the only person I've talked about.
It looks so CG. Yeah, you know, but here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'd rather eleven times.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, but I'd rather than I understand they can't like
launch a car time only on a TV budget, right,
but I would rather than like edit around it, because
when he's holding the physical car, it's great, but like
when you see like it's just on screen for gew
loong the CGI car. In fact, they show it all
the time, Like, what's what you're saying, Chloe, you more

(22:04):
than just to hear all you're a superhero, Rosenbomb. I
am the villain of the story, right, I'm not the Lionel,
you know all we're catching with all the characters. We
see Darth Lex blull Op in the truck, We see
the clones. We're gonna get into all this. This is
gonna be fun. We see a clipp of Zogen sucked
away because we see the border that open dark Side
comes out of. They fixed dark Side's eyes to read again.
We see them the profits of dark Side and all that.

(22:26):
Whatdy cares about that?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Now?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Come on beginning of season ten, we see ghost Dad,
we see him unplug the fortress, and then we hear
Tom Welling saying, now the series finale of Smallville, and
we open up with test Mercer, Yeah, you know that
the show again. You you haven't watched there under place here,

(22:50):
if you haven't watched in the season three, you have
no idea what's going on. That's what I when I
when I tuned back into the Flash for its final season,
I'm like, I know what those people felt like. We
came back to Smallville at the end, like is that
the they recast Cisco and Caitlin?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, the funniest like, like, I remember when you were
watching those and I think the funniest thing that you
said to our group text was one I was like,
who's Mark?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah that was just so funny.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I have no idea, like he's so important? But
Test wakes up and who is there but homeless? This
is an incredible He's got longer, scraggly hair, longer nails,
he looks disheveled.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Like, yeah, very much.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
What a dropped botched subplot of season ten honestly, like
Lionel Luther retaking Luther Corp. Like your fingerprints reversed, You're
out of here. I'm like, eh, that's that seemed kind
of like all that was half baked. They should just
spend the whole season on that. He gets kicked out
of Luther Corp. He runs in the dark side in
the cemetery, and I guess they've teamed up now and

(23:52):
he has been reassembling Lex's clones, So this is all
just them figuring out how to explain how Alex Luther's back.
But look, it's Lionel Luther. John lover, we love him, Yes,
he's back. All these things as frustrating as some of
the things we're gonna talk about, these elements make this

(24:13):
episode immediately better than the previous one.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah, no, the like truly just the actors coming back
and playing these different versions blah blah blah blah. But
but like immediately when when again, when part two started,
when we started watching them, like, oh, we've got energy
here because he's here. He's doing Linel. It's a weirder Linel.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
It's a more seductive and like I'm sesty and you know,
little very touchy, very touchy Lionel.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Maybe he had some influence, but it's not like those
like homeless guy nails are just something that like came
up here, Like that's something that they're thinking about. And
I like that idea for him that he's like this
displaced Lionel who was like really, he's not focused on
the other things that the Linel we knew would be.
He's just he's just like on just like it ain't

(25:00):
lex back, you know, like that's what his whole drive is.
Sod's kind of letting himself go. It's cool, it's it's unhinged.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's time to embrace your lineage test time to become
the Luther you were destined to be, which was taken
out of context for every promo that's finale.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Was saying it's a lex yes, and again like we
got a lot of vibes of doctor Woodrow, of of
this yes, of how he looked in here.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So that was pretty fun to see. Yeah, it was
just great to see. After the first episode you were
kind of like, Okay, what's kind of happening here? Immediately
they bring you back and like, oh, this is I
remember why I like this show. I remember why. It's
it's these characters and not necessarily the scale and the
epicness of like you know, this giant planet coming like that. That's cool,
but like that's not what that's not what we watched Smallville.

(25:44):
We watched Smallville because these characters were interesting and we're
like watching him h interacting at this point now when
I'm watching John Glover, I'm just like it's just good
to see John Glover and like an needle tool like
these like these these these really talented actress and actors
coming back for the final episode after all these time
to like sign off these characters it's just it just
reminded me. As soon as soon as the part two started,

(26:05):
I was like, Okay, I'm back in. I'm locked in
because it feels like small Villa again. Although it's a
little hokey and little you know, supernatural diving into but
it just feels like Smallville again.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Whatever they're playing like however, like we will pick every
knit of this, but like whatever they're playing, it feels
like a victory lap for these characters, the actors that
that are playing these characters again again.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's not going with Lionel.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
It's not quite Lex, it's not, but but it's great
to see them do their thing again more time.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
My son, Lex, your brother Likesius Genius. Ever Genius was
a visionary. You're not. But this is they use this
Lionel as exposition to talk about how Lex cloned himself.
And we know this as we know, actually as we know,

(26:56):
we do know this, So it's not they didn't bring
this out of nowhere. They've been because they didn't know.
They didn't know what to do about Lex, and they
went to some creative places. I am cool with all
this Lex stuff and him being a clone and all
these sorts of Arisia clone we'll talk about because the
comic book stuff have done this many times, Like again
in the Death of Superman era Lexus of the second

(27:18):
is Lex posing as his son in a cloned body,
Like there's a precedent for that, right, And they have
to find a way to bring Lex Luthor back from
the dead, and they've tried a couple of times and
it hasn't stuck. But there it turns out they're underneath
Luther Mansion.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yeah, yeah, well there's all those catacombs down still the
wine still a good placed.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
The Panic Room episode, but he's talking about how Lex
created all these clones and none of them were perfect,
but some of the pieces, right, and he's touching all
these organs and yeah, it's like, are these the perfect pieces?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I'm assuming so, because like I guess the the out
side was easier to clone, but not like the internal stuff.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
They graft them into a master shouldn't they be inside
with Well?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Is that like an empty show right now, waiting for
all these pieces to be put in? Okay?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Maybe you know what as we were watching, As we
were watching it, that that conversation came up and now
I was like, oh, I guess I never thought of that,
but I guess so. I guess that's just like an
empty body needing the organs and everything put in.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
So he's for Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, that's what made me kind of like show that,
Like when the show his body, it's all stitched up
and pieced together like that.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, Test has a line and she's like, where is
he m? Lionel says he'll Revilla himself when he's ready.
I'm like, this has all been written before they knew
Rosen fact. Thank god they had the Lionel character and
John Glover the actor to kind of fill this Luther gap.
I mean, what some sign in a lesser show you have,
like some random scientists telling tests, oh heart, imagine that right.

(28:56):
But there's one thing he's missing, not his right hand,
which is really fed up. The reason the hand is
like this, by the way I want it. We'll wait. Wait,
there's a specific reason. But Lex is missing a heart,
and they need a heart from a family member. Lionel's like, well,
I wouldn't pick Connor, but you've hidden him so well,
but I can't find him, so it's poetic that I
take it from you.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Connor Kin had just been enrolled at Smallville High School.
I don't know then he was gonna go stay with
Martha and watching him like a lot happen, a lot
of off screen for a lots going on, but that's fine,
you clean that up. Getting off the board and just
he's so creepy. He's like, you're going to serve a
very special purpose in my life. I don't know. I
am loving all this earth through linel stuff, and it's

(29:39):
isn't the light.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
It's definitely creepy and like, you know, just seeing like
tests just kind of like like in that vulnerable position.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's like damn.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
But then she turns into black widow.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like, yes, she is a checkmate trained agent less, that's true.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Oh the things she can do with with a lot
of fast cuts through.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
The power of editing. Yeah, but this this look, this
opening sequence for this, that's when they cut this in
the two parts. This whole sequence is the opening sequence.
What a sequence, right, yeah, because they trapp her down
and then they look over to the lex organ wall
and we go through it and we go through the
greats and we see this frankenstegin body of Lex zero

(30:21):
Like okay, let's in our head canon. We want to
believe that this is the Lex from season one to seven.
We want to believe that the show doesn't tell us
that though, and I mean, we have no evidence, like
based off what they've said, this is a piece together
Frankenstein monsterle This is not Lex Prime, although the Lex

(30:44):
zero tries to like fool you into thinking that it
was Rosenbomb. Now and then even the way this is shot,
we see a bald body stitch together and with the
messed up right hand. I'll talk about the hand real
quick now. In these future flash forwards, the President Lex
and all these things. Yes, we see Lex and the
white coat, the black glove and at the time that
was a reference to the comic books where Lex sou
there had been wearing your cribon night ring for years,

(31:05):
which is given him cancer and he had to have
a robotic can I believe was that the he lost
his hands he lost his hand. I thought, yeah, so
he had something he didn't have a hand or his replacement,
so that that glove was a reference to that. Small
was like, well, we can't do that, so we'll have
this mess of the right hand. You're telling me they
couldn't clone up perfect right, apparently not, but I mean,

(31:29):
but we panned down from that grocery handw Lex zero
and then we cut the old being crash like this
is great, this is like what we're back, and then
we get to see this the opening theme in opening
credits one.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
More time, one more time.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Okay, sorry here this is where I'm like it went
too long, where I'm like that was always the canon
in my head, the hand thing, Like it's just like
we're just going against stuff that we've set up for
for years, for the last decade of the show, where
it's like, well, then what are we actually doing here?
You know, Like that's another one where I'm just like
I wish they'd established or they they kind of kept

(32:11):
with that because they had had.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
The ring, had the Ring, you know, yeah, there was
there was a world here where they.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Could have kind of delivered on that idea. And now
just because it's a little messed up, is like because
he's Phantom of the Opera with his hand right now,
it's just so.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Strange as as like a novice to these characters. As
I was getting into the show, when that was when
I was explained that Lex had like caught cancer and
had his hand run because he was wearing a kryptonite
rain to keep Superman from him. I thought that was
one of the coolest concepts. Yeah, so much more. It's
so cool to think about.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
That until they changed his mind.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, like why like why? Like why?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
But like again, like these guys were best friends and
eventually this guy's going to get cancer because he's wearing
like best friend repellent on his hands.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, but isn't this cooler? They just couldn't clone her
right hand.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah. Yeah. Out of all the clones they had, not
one of them had a good right hand. No, No,
that's pretty that's pretty insane.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It is insane. So we cut to the opening credits.
We come back. Uh, we see color corrected outside because
of Apocalypse is here. It's it's very as someone who
works in the industry, how pretentious. But if I like
turned in footage like this, I'd be like, you need
to reduce this. It's like, did you just like crank

(33:34):
the purples? It was not like it. It looks off.
That is what I'm saying. Because I've seen this overpass
fifteen times on this show. I know it's supposed to
look but Clarky is you know he's used to superheroing
on Tessa's message and she likes a video message. Yeah, yeah,
that he fuds Tessa's cell phone. Then she has recorded

(33:58):
a video because she left a voice small and then
she also recorded a video message for Clark and whoever
could find it, and it's under the seat, so he
pulls it out and it's God blessed Cassidy Freeman doing
a selfie.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, it's like leaving a FaceTime message. Now, yeah, it's like,
why would you do that.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
I do love the idea of like I can't get through,
let me try a message, let.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Me yeah, you know on zoom. It's like you're a
little slow. Turn the video off. This is this is
the opposite of that. That's what's so funny. What the hell?

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Oh my god, Yeah, I couldn't text you. I figured
i'd shoot a film.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
And but no.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's an effective cut because we cut from Clark seeing
test being trouble on the on the cell phone camera
to her being in trouble at the at the laboratory
and she's getting strapped down by these doctors and uh,
you know lyonele gives that exposition about why that he
needs her heart looking for connors all that stuff. She's like,

(34:56):
is Lex worth killing your own daughter? And Lex is
worth everything to me? And look, their relationship is so
weird throughout the show. I I like the the unnaturalness
of alternate universe. Lianel Luthor resurrecting Frankenstein likes. But again,
like we were mentioned, Test was in the full checkmate

(35:18):
agent mode. Kicks these guys ass situation. See I believe
this though right back when Lana used to use a
lot of food, It's like, come on, but they have established,
you know, Test is a very capable, trained agent. Well,

(35:40):
we're going to do the final stats at the end
of there. She kicks these guys asses and and and
takes the gun off. This security guy shoots Earth too,
Lionel in the chest. Looks like, my purpose in your
life has changed. Oh it's just been revoked. Jump. I

(36:00):
love the death acting from John Lover, incredible death acting.
It's a good scene.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
He like he stretches out a bit, but not not
too much.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
But I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
But I'm also like, so you're gonna use Now, we're
gonna use the heart from Lionel. That's kind of bullet right.
She did shoot him in a heart right.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
To mention it's backwards like all the organs from Earth too.
Oh and that killed him.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
You just fixed the problem I've had with this favor.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Straight up, Doctor woodrew with oh, I forgot to tell
you I'm poisoned. That's right everyone, John Lover was in
Batman and Robins out.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
But you look.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Right then we get these special guest stars Michael Rose
Mom and John Glover and and you see the micro
rose bomb right when Lionel says X yeah, yeah, it's
so good, right, he pulls himself like he opens the
door between the Organs but behind the Organs, and he
pulls himself to the to the lex clonese.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
He revealed when he was ready.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
That's right. Then, I guess dark Side senses that Lionel
is dying because he shows the Smoke Side. This is
our last appearance of Smoke Side. Yeah, basically, yeah, and
it's it's pretty terrible. Yeah, it looks really bad. It's
a bummer. I mean the show it had some really

(37:34):
good Speciffect standards for a long time, relatively speaking yet
the time. So I don't think we're being too hard
on him to say.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, I mean, Christ look at the pilot and I like, again, pilot,
more money, whatever, But like, yeah, that meteor shower holds
up today like that, that's that still looks pretty phenomenal. Yeah,
and that was ten.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Years before this.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, that's this dark Side like in sixty four. Yeah,
it's pretty rough.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah. And then like again, off screenville a lot going
on because dark Side says you refuse and it's not
even it's Michael Ironside was on the show. They had
him in the roll of decks. He didn't return for
this episode, but like could he not be? I don't
know who's doing this voice? And you know because of

(38:19):
the Arrow verse, right, They got wise after the Flash
season one that we can't just deepen Tom Cavanough's voice people,
because I remember people like so I ran the reverse
Flash's voice to a filter.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And it's.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
The hired. They hired the sons of Mogue from Star
Trek The Next Generation. They hired Michael Dorn to be
Prometheus's voice and Tony Todd to be Zooming and like, okay,
like get the real voice actor in here and get this,
Uh that's fantastic, awesome. It was pouring out for Tony
Todd respect even though the Academy Awards left him out
of there in memorium this year. But this extreme close

(38:53):
up on dark Side's eyes, like, this is what you know,
I'm gonna be fair. Star Trek Star Trek the Inmate
series made by Filmation back in nineteen seventy three. They
didn't have a lot of money, so they would save
budget a lot by having extreme close ups on the
eyes of the characters when they talk, so you didn't
have to see their mouth. Amazing, that is what's going on. Yes, yeah,

(39:14):
that is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's cool for them.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's a great production thing, and it's it's
so I mean, I'm sure there's something to be said
for It's like poetry at rhymes because Lionel was like
I never intended to live forever. I like care about
my son. So this Lionel sacrifices his life so this
Lex who killed his Lionel could be resurrected. So that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Interesting, No, I guess, like you said, it's poetry at rhymes.
But but still and then like he just kind of
holds out his heart like after he heals him. I
guess they were going trying to go for some some
gory shock value there, but it was that for small centers.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Actually was little gory.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Yeah again to Victoria's point where it's just like, this
is a completely different show, the grossest this show's ever been.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
But whatever, I think at that time, we thought, oh
that's the end of John Glover. What a way to
go out, what a scene. Thanks for showing up.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
You don't need to do anything else, John, just make
it weird.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
I hope you and and had dinner and then.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Here, But stay tuned. We haven't seen the last of
John Glover. But you know what, again, I've been on
record many times saying, you know, Clark tom Welling refuses
to wear these glasses. He takes them off at an opportunity,
but you know what, the world's ending, he's got to
go to work and he's going to put on those glasses.
Like insane it is that he doesn't wear the glasses

(40:37):
like at his wedding or in every side room with
the Daily Planet. Crazy Yeah, but he goes into work
seeing apocalypse blot out the sun, puts the glasses on
forore going into the Daily Planet bullpen so strange to see.
But I mean he's the most Clark came with the
glasses here then he is in an episode. It is
the last episode, So what is appropriate?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Do you think part of it is because the glasses
are so are the Christopher Reeve classes kind of like
the kind of like the bigger point not as.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Big as they should be, though, mad I was, but
I see, I see your point.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah. I was trying to think of times we seen
Metropolis and like chaos. Was it dark Thursday? What happened?
What what happened?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
What caused that? Was brain air police computer attacks? If
you will, yes, I will, I will not, sir?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Why is everyone still at work just like like not
caring about unclear?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
They seem like they're caring well, like they're at work reports.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
What is editor report at this point? Like go home?
Le's your family is? The world is ending?

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Cider lost its rank.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Like there was not one employee like f this, what
do you mean? I gotta go report on this like
that that one of the things. I have a meeting
with the president. Go speak to your mom, like the
world's ending, you care about talking to It's just there
didn't seem like enough.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Chaos alcoholics in the city.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean, but like you know, you could have
done the whole like, well, they're you know, they're under
apocalypse control, so like they're kind of docile, kind of
going through things. Sure, but they didn't. So you're just
looking at a bunch of people just accepting the world
ending because they got bills still. And it's like, okay,
just kind of bother me.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But we get a man on the radio, he's the president.
I guess, my fellow Americans, the blah blah blah typical
spin and politicians, it's like swamp gas and venus or whatever.
Is the internet down, because they're all circled around this
AM radio, this old radio, handing around. I do like
this moment where they start talking about the omega symbols,

(42:33):
because we're talking about prophecies and all this stuff. The
markets aren't just spiritual or some sort of anti life
dark force anti life equation. We're not giving track of that.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
And I guess the anti life equation. The whole thing
is that basically, it's like it's like the the like
unlocks what it takes away free will, right like like
it unlocks like you become a drone or slave to
dark side.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, I mean, I don't understand it. Because the quote
lowis anti life equations aren't covered in physics.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Well sure, but so like, how are these people getting
infected with the with the omega?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
All it takes is the slightest seed of darkness?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
The darkness.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
It's basically just like what I what I interpreted it as,
like the evil within that lies within?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Right and so and if it manifests like you, that
means you are susceptible.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
In some way.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
If you present that to dark side or if you
presented where he is in his presence, is right, you
are marked.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And so our characters that are not possessed don't have
darkness within them, No, perfect, well, good pure people.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's basically they close it's there, but that it's not
I guess presented itself or they've not been in a
situation where they are tempted for it to be.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
So okay, gotcha checks out? Well today definitely tops Chloe's
Wall of Weird? Why is do we do they feel
like they needed to reference the Wall of Weird finale?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Do you remember that back ten years ago?

Speaker 6 (43:57):
Remember this stuff up?

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Oh Chloe, our friend from the Funny Pages, Yes, the pages?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Do you know where the door is? But I do
like this moment where Los is like, how many people
do you think are infected? And Clark uses his extra
vision and see's like there's like seventy percent. He's like
more than you want to know. But yeah, Clark kent
at the Daily Planet in a crisis in glasses. We

(44:24):
needed more of this.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I remember when they stills came out where it was like,
this is going to be a Superman movie.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Oh my god, looks good. But hey, Test knew how
to stop this, so we got to find her. She's
got a shot her her cars parking camera of the
cars that got They did the hands and hands and
hands thing. At least they don't use his micro vision
to see it. They just use computer technology. Uh pre
clocks biomedical research. Right, that is an anagram of Lex Corp.

(44:51):
How about that? That's cool. I did not know that
until I went to Smallville wiki.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
It was found in only six weeks ago, presumably by
Lionel Luther or two Lionel Luther genetic research. So they
put the pieces together and they look up the address,
and you know, I don't know if we've known this before.
I'm sure we have. I'm sure I've taken a screenshot
of it. The address of Luther Mansion everyone is two

(45:19):
to one one six Beresford Road, Small Ol, Kansas, six
six six eight four. So next time you're in s Maavel, Kansas,
check it out. But that's Luther Mansion. So but that
plays burn to the ground. Maybe what Lionel's after his underground?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Sure, whatever, But the Luther Mansion was built on a
labyrinth of corridors apparently. Apparently it's the who Matt. You've
seen some Halloween films in your time? Sure you remember
one of the Halloween films there was like a whole
like catacombs underneath the Myers House.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
No, well there is, like I bet franchise.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, gotta mention everything.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Let's plug it all.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Clark starting to doubt himself, and Lewis says, you know,
someone's told me, when you believe in someone, it's not
just for now, not just for a few minutes, forever
or something like that. You mean our wedding vows, Yes,
thirty minutes.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
We've said them like four times.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
I Clark can't take you to be my companion. Clark
can't take you to.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Now. Listen, I've been on a journey on this podcast.
My stock in Lois Lane has raised my stock and
cloy Sullivan has lessened. H I'm going to say, this
exact scene happened in Vessel and it's much better fight me.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Oh, like you know when when when they kiss.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
When the world's ending, there's chaos going on, clark'sen and
go confront Wax and then Chloye kisses in. Oh, that's
what I That's what I'm saying. Last time that was
part one. Like this is good, but they've done it before,
and they've done it in a lot of ways, and
I'm like, you know what I'm saying. I hear you.
I hear like. I love Lewis and Clark and happy

(47:05):
there together in all the years.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Okay, doing what they can here.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, So I don't know, that just seemed more epic
than this, for example.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, well, I mean that's kind of what I was
kind of getting with the Dark Thursday stuff. This didn't
feel big enough.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Like this didn't feel like anyone was taking it as
serious as opposed to be. And it's probably because we can't.
I mean, I get it, it's the finale, so you
have to wrap up a lot of things. But there's
so much cut away from like this giant, scary flame
planet to just people talking casually.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
Yeah, there's no sense of there's.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
No sense of urgency in their voice. One sounds scared. Yeah, No,
one like speaks about anything they're like afraid of. It's
just like this is what's going on. Like it's kind
of like they knew by the end of the episode
he would save the day.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, Lois says, I'll be fine. She knows it, she's
read the script speaking of lack of urgency. Right. He
kisses Lois and then he just walks out a frame
like where's the super in.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
The middle of the boat man?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah, because you got because again going back to going
back to Dark Thursday, I mean number one, Chloe goes
for that one, right, like she goes for that, guess.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
But then also like he kind of epically, you know,
takes off.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Well also she's like, I don't know if I'm going
to see you again, and like this one's lows like, hey,
I'll be fine. I'm like, well, I'm more concerned for you.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Then.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yes, Dark Dark Thursday got pretty vista. When they smash
that limo, they ripped Ploey out of it.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
All that's part of it too, where like the production
values of the show has changed, and and they're here
because they have a limited budget now this season to
see like the dark Thursday stuff that is like the
big production value is like the mobs of people on the.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Sting just one street.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
But they get away with it and you kind of
feel it that it's a city.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Where is this?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Anytime they cut to the poor provincial town of the
back loot of Metropolis, it's like, oh god, there's like
five people that live here, you know, it just takes
it out of it.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Now we cut from Clark slowly walking out of frame
to an eye and I have won Michael Eugene Rosebumb
I don't know his name.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Eugene is a great choice for like that.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
And I remember what's going in. Let's start getting in
some of this rose moom stuff now. I remember we
all we've all talked about the the Entertainment Weekly.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
Article was like the greatest plot, like Suthen. Ever, Paul
was not coming back for the smaller finalite. I'm like no,
but a few days later he's coming back.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, And I remember that. The quotes just started to
come out, and then information started to come out about
his return. He was going to be there for one
day and like one day now twenty four hours, Like
he worked the whole day, and as I understand it,
he got paid very well.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
And he said we did four things, like okay, four thanks,
four scenes for whatever. This is our first of four
things come off. But I understand like they had four
hours and I feel like in twenty four hours they
got as much as they possibly could and they use
the great effect.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
They saved the finale.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Yes, yes, and it's like no one's no actor is
worth what they're getting paid for some of these things,
but like on the other side of that worth every penny,
like they thank god this worked out.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yes, Now, I thought this is pretty brilliant. Right, we've
all had a good laugh about darth Les. But how
do we reintroduce Rosa Mama? Right, we pull out on
the eye. He's wearing the darth Les mask, so you're
like the ambiguities and one of the truck. Yeah, but
he reaches up with the with the burn hand, pulls

(50:41):
the mask off his face like he's back. Right, it's
Michael Rosamam wearing a bald cat. But they shoot it
very cleverly. You know. It's a lot of like tight
close ups and contrast and like she's back.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
In the in the vocabulary of the show, thought like
it's always been a show that's been like give me
that face, you know, like it's just I don't care
about your forehead, Like give me your eyes.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Haven't brought back with hair bunch Lexis for the second, right,
if you had to do it. But look, they got
him putting in the ball cap was the answer. You
know why, because he's a clone anyway. Any he looks different,
he's a clothe he's not the same look I am.
That's the perfect explanation for that. So I don't mind,
and like.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Yes, it's a little more bulbous. Part of it is
just that we've seen this guy without with like no
hair on his head for so many years, but in
a show where like we don't have a budget and
the effects look bad and whatnot, Like it's a pretty
good ball cap. Like there's no moment where you're like, eh,
little little sauce there, like it looks good now.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Quotes started to come out by Rosamont coming back. He
didn't interview with TV line. This is what he had
to say, and he reiterated this in these Smallville home
video interviews with the series Renlle quote, I'm delighted to
return for the series, Finelle. I'm simply doing it for
the fans, all the fans out there who made small
Vel the great success it is. I appreciate all of
their passion, their relentlessness, and even their threats. Ha ha.

(52:03):
So it was pro bono.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
That's what the that's what the money's for.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
All that being said, he came back. You know, yeah,
like I guess, we give Rosamond a hard time on
this podcast. We have a good laugh about a lot
of things, Talkville, et cetera. Chryst On infer Ears didn't
come back for that, but he came back. Listen, imagine
this without him coming back.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Yeah, we would have been so mad. We're already mad enough.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
So I was totally on board with whatever it took
to get him back. And we were in one of
his four things have been have been covered now him
taking a mask off, and you think yourself, he was
there a whole day look production. An average episode of
Smallville forty five minute episode. They take eight days to film,
so this takes time. So the fact they got two
full scenes and two little things in vignettees or whatever.
Gona call those things. Good on them. They got the

(52:53):
most out of them.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
And that one scene with Clark is a long. Yeah,
Like that's a long.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
He came back locked in. He slipped it right back
in the night.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
He did. He didn't phone it in. Yeah, none of
these actors. He came back phoned in.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
From from the like just you know, and when that
scene happens, as he explains how Clark always says his name,
like he's like you always said the same and like
I was just like, oh my god, I missed this dude.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah he was much Yeah, and just and and and again,
like thinking about me, my perception of this has changed
watching it as the second part, because I'm like, wow,
like this pays so much better, Like there was the
energy was not there in part on.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Which but we've got the Luthers now that's right, that's
the show, big part of it.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
So we uh cuts commercial, We come back and we
have Lois at the Daily Planet and this is this
is actually another one of my favorite scenes. She needs
to sneak on to Air Force.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
One oh with uh with doctor Manhattan's girlfriend from from
Watchman that the original girlfriend that like doctor Manhattan's like that.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Okay Osterman's yeah friend, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Wife, yeah?

Speaker 6 (54:05):
Why his wife? Actually yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's her.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I didn't referring to Lowis committing assault on a fellow
employee because I because I haven't because I have a
meeting with the president. The world is ending, and that's
what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Yeah, instead I'll hit you and then probably commit some
form of treason. They're lying and to come to the
air Force one.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
That's fine. I like this scene a lot because it's
just okay, yes, the world is ending. She should put
this aside of her career ambitions. But this Janet here,
she's like, Lois is like going off like a conspiracy
theorist to her. She's giving her the look and like
I love that. She's like, Okay, Lewis, whatever, you're not
taking my spot to go in over the president. Like
you're not going to do it. So so Lois pulls

(54:50):
out a Stafler and knocks her ound. It's like, I'm sorry,
I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't the end
of the world and you weren't such a bitch.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
It's ce.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, this seems great.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
It's very low.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
It's also is there a world where this should have
been cat Crown?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, this woman they would never give Cat Grant that
enemy with the president.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Though, sure, well that's this Cat Grants.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
They they wrapped her up pretty well in Booster. I mean,
Jeff John's wrote her in the Colin books a lot,
so like he was able to come because Kat Grant
not a great character. In season ten, they obviously realized
that and said, let's stop using this character. Brought her
back for the Booster Gold episode kind of made her,
made her and Booster kind of a mirror of Lewis
and Clark. Yeah, Jeff, can you can you fix this?

(55:38):
Decent drop? I'm fine. Never seen her again, honestly, did
not did not love the Smallville Cat Grant unfortunately. But
turns out the military's plan is they're gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
That's what we do. We just vomit.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
That's that's that seems to be got a problem.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Vomit.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I mean, there's so many things we could say, but
we move on.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
So, now, were they gonna drill into it like Armageddon
and then drop the nukes in there?

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Get some of that anti life core out of there.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Well, it is funny. Uh you know, you mentioned you
know she's in Watchman, you know and bvs they're gonna
doomsday in space and rhymes me. I mean it's so true, right,
Uh Superman's move is throw stuff into space. You throw
missiles into space, you throw elevators into space, you push
continents into space, you push planets into further space. So
that's that's what he's gonna do here. But uh Lois

(56:32):
takes her press pass and luckily she's a brunette that
looks close enough like her where they're not going to
look too close. But here we go. The greatest scene
of the two part finale, the reunion.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
You'll say that slash.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Voice the scene.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
It's the greatest scene the history.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Splash the guy from Guitar Hero. But we see this
c G. I burned down Luther Mansion. That's like them
destroying every set of small I didn't think we needed
to do. Like they blew up the talent, they blew
the mansion. Sure, they sold the kin Farm. Apparently they

(57:14):
didn't sell it. They did they ever establish they unsold it. No, No,
The only thing that that does that is in Homecoming.
Where they're in the future and Lois says, like, oh,
was it in your chest to stuff back at the barn,
so they Martha talked him sense into him maybe, oh sure,
but we just worked with that. Clark super speeds in.

(57:37):
I love this set though of the they're using it
a great effects. Can't say I love what you've done
with the place, like we're just gonna quote every line
for the Like the introduction of Lexi's in shadow Behind,
like the light on, It's so well done. It is
it has it totally exceeds everything else in this episode absolutely.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Well again again the interduction of it all Lex commenting
on Clark and how he says his name and just
just like the the elegance with which he is chastising
Clark at the same time but also like mesmerized and
still like I really.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Like this kid, Like they're still there's still still part
of it where it's like you really annoy me, but
I actually really like it.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yes, He's like you're a live Lex. You compare this.
It's very similar actually to in Phoenix in season three,
episode two, where Lex like they think he's dead but
like this is a this is that just further on theres.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
There's something very interesting to me about about lex as
a villain who is just like a villain who acknowledges like, oh, no,
you're so much better than me, like you are superior.
But I can't stand. I can't and I can't stand
how you.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Use your superiority.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
And that's what that's what bugs me about it. That's
really interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know, I was gonna say, it's it's the it's
the part where he does say, like I hate that
you're better than me and you don't even want it,
and that is such a relatable human.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Thing and hate comes through that.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, and you kind of take a moment like, yeah,
he is an alien who is better than us, and
I I do understand jealousy with that, especially being a
person of privilege like lex is. He has everything the
world can give him, but he still is not better
than this farm.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Board doesn't deserve, you know, he doesn't even want to
deal with it.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, it's like from the moment he starts speaking, you
just remember you just like you see all the history
of this show, in every little step they went to
going from close friends to like these like you know, enemies,
and it's tragic but also It's like this is exactly
what we knew was coming, and we're finally here and

(59:51):
they finally both realize who they are. I don't think this.
I don't think I mean, this is hyperbole obviously, but
like I don't think they could have done it better.
I like, there's so many shows that tried to or
so many things that try to do this and it
just comes off as wrong or forced or like he
just did such a great job. You would have thought
he didn't leave for three years. It felt like he

(01:00:11):
wasn't gone. No, I hear you, Like he stepped It
was like like riding a bike. But to your point, like,
there's a lot of things that try to do this,
like this dichotomy of two of of of a duo
a lot, but there's also a lot where like we
get it right. There's a lot of things like media
that gets like these these duos of people who who

(01:00:31):
know each other so well and so intimately yet are
like diametrically opposed foes like you know you have like
Hamilton and Burr right like that the way that that
is executed in that musical is great. Magneto Professor x
right Doom read Richards like there's a lot that you
can go down the list. Larry Bird Magic Johnson shout
out to Jackie macmallan her book. You know, it went

(01:00:52):
back in when the game was ours, like and it's
talking about the two of them and then their rivalry,
right and like again like and the things that those
two represented, and the fact that each of them, every
day after every game would look at the other stats
and be like, I hate this guy, but at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
He's so good, he's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
But both of them would like that, and like they
just couldn't wait until they've played each other in the finals,
right and so, and how each of them would lament
when the one got an award.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
They were like, I hate that he got that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
They're like he's so deserving, like like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Like like it's it's that and we we cling to
those things because it is so compelling.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And this is that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
With your comparisons, I wish it's stuck more with the musicals,
not the sports so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
But I did the music.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Think I followed most of what you were saying there,
and what I was gonna say is like that's the
compelling part here, where like now it is equal parts
love and hate, yes, and like that that that was
always brewing there from the beginning. Like obviously it was
more love in the beginning and the friendship of it,
and you know like there there is there is true
affection for each other here that cannot be wiped away.

(01:01:55):
But he still has to hate this guy and he's
still going.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
To try to destroy him.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
This like how there's just so much joy in setting
up what we have wanted to see for the past
ten years here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yep, it's kind of wild because like there's this such
this there was such an anticipation of of them coming back.
There was so much like of a you know, like
like like the hype, the build up of knowing he
was coming back for the finale, and everyone was kind
of like anticipating and imagining how it could be and
then like it just exceeded it. And like the only
thing I can think of right now to comparedly speaking,

(01:02:29):
is like it's totally different. So just kind of stick
with me here. But like, you know, are Robert and
Junior is coming back to the MCU and everyone's like
there's this anticipation and like, but I kind of feel
like it's not going to live up to the anticipation
or the expectations that I have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
My favorite comment about that so far as of this
recording is this has got the because I think the
fantastic Portralier has been very well received. There's a shot
of the four of them doing the Ed Slivan show
Beatles shot. Yeah, and the comment is all that for
RDJ to be their touch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I think I think there's just something that's just so
satisfying with this scene about just the expectations just being
met and even exceeded, because so often we get excited
about things and unfortunately they don't meet her because we
build it up in our hit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Don't worry, keV, We'll get there in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think this is what keeps this
entire finale from like falling apart.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Again worth every penny, and this shows it was a
dangerous gamble not to just go ahead and recast at
some point like oh Lex is in a new cloning body,
and yeah they could have, but it's I mean, this
is look at that look as good as Mackinsey Gray
was in Lazarus. It's like, oh that's not Lex, Like
it's even he's a little like he's just the rosenvamb

(01:03:51):
moved with the forearms raises like all his little ticks
are there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
If they had gotten back. Darth knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
But just these guys. That that's the thing. It's not
just about I mean a lot of times like some
characters transcend actors and things, but these versions of these
characters are these actors. Yes, So like, yeah, I love
Tom and Michael, I love Christer, even Gene Hackman, et cetera,
et cetera. Right, but you can't just switch out somebody
to play off Tom as Lex Luthor. You can't do it.

(01:04:22):
You can't like put like John Cryer in a scene
with Tom and that would be this, yeah, the same thing.
That was a joke. We all love that scene. Clark,
He's so like, oh les are alive and then he
immediately switches to worst tests like he and it's this
seat is so well written because like all the transitions,
Lex is like, don't worry about my dear little sister.

(01:04:43):
By the way, you used to think family was made
us who we are, Like, it's just a perfect it
flows so well. Then I hope it was our friends,
and then it was our enemies, and so it's this
melting pot of all the reasons that they have a
rivalry because it's like they grew up in Smallville and
their friendship fell apart or you know, like you were saying,
like he sees this outsider in the power and you
know it's the Lewis and Clark of it all, where
he's like I was, you know, I deserve it is

(01:05:05):
my birthright stuff. You're here and better than me. And
they found a way to weave all that pathology into
these versions of these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
And also they're shooting. Small was always known for really
tight close ups, but they're shooting really close to kind
of you don't see the edges of it's so well
and then they shoot it extreme close up, but it
works as you want to see this cool set and
it's you know, it's symbolic of like their friendship, right,
they used to be friends who are playing pool.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
Yeah, now it's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
It's shambles. You know, the great men in one of
the world was been defined by their enemies, right, So
he's sure, I am the villain of the story.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
I am a villain of the story. Whatever, it's all
good again. They've got they've got five hours to bring
him back and say goodbye to him and wrap up
seven years at least of story here, and they do
a great job with them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Man if it just ended right there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Right right right, they mentioned uh mentioned memories, Yeah, because
Clark's like, you have a second chance. You can forget
all that memories. You can't forget them.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
So I want to remember that, please.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I want to say that's the way of saying, oh,
he'll he'll remember one day, But I don't know if
I should. What are you talking about it for that?
But it just dis encompasses their relationship so well, we've
talked about it, like even his just the matter. It's
so good to see him back. We never thought we'd
see it. We got burn in season eight. We got
burned again almost again in season ten. It's like it's

(01:06:30):
like when your favorite sports franchise as a player and
you think you're gonna lose them, but you sign him again.
We haven't experienced that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Last week and the Broadway show closes, but then you
hear they're going to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yes, I want to see it again. But even me
calls him kal El. There's a little smirk. You know
our story has been written yet, kal el there's another
version of this where Rosamm was back for the whole
week and they could have had Clark Kan Alex Luthor
versus Dark Side. Yeah, because he's like Clark says, I

(01:07:02):
don't think Clark Kent can save the whole role by himself,
and Lex says no, but we both know who can.
I was like, oh, what are they teamed up? And
I don't know, right, that's a whole whole nother what
if not even I can't even talk about it, but
they making sure you think I just tried the cliff
notes the veritaster. But they're both great men because of

(01:07:22):
each other. Like this is If you showed me this
scene in two thousand and one, I'd be like, what
an incredible I can't wait to get there. As opposed
to a lot of these if you showed me them
in two thousand and one, I'm like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
So that's that is the show? Like that that is
the show. It's the Can's the Luthers. That's what it's
all about. These two guys, his rise to hero them,
his fall to villainy and I and I really love
how their last moment is Clark just looks sad, and
he says, I'm sorry I couldn't save you Lex. Yeah,
and then Super speeds off and it's like and Lex
doesn't know how to even reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Even Lex's reaction to finally seeing Clark gives his abilities
in front of him like that, like when he runs
off with Lex is like, yeah, it's it's subtle, and
it's so good. I wish I could just bottle this
up and make ten more seasons of that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Yeah, the last part of the conversation does a gettle exposition.
You're like, well, you're the children savior in Dark. You
know about Dark, so like so I'm like, I it's
a necessary component of the story they're telling. But everything
else was so good. You know, I got a hot
take here. I don't know if you guys would agree,
but the only beat that misses for me in any
of this where Clark's like always be able to stop
you and like says, oh, I'm counting on it. Let's fight,

(01:08:32):
let's fight, let them fight. I think it's awesome. I
think I'm just so married to Jim Carrey's life here.
I'm spirit too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
But the way he says it is such a like, oh, sure,
bring it on okay, you know, like as if I
don't know how to deal with you at this point.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
And part of it is also like like a giddiness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
It's like I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
It's basically just like I can't play, but I can't
wait to play with my.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Friend the games begin.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Fair. I definitely took it as like a like a okay, yeah,
like game on, like you know, way, yeah, I can't.
I can't wait to beat the person that's not supposed
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
But see, that's the element that we were always looking from, like, man,
I can't wait till they get to this point. And
it's like Magneto and Professor X best friends, they have
a history, They respect each other as people, but stand
against everything the other one stands for. Yeah, so fascinating,
and it's been so squandered this opportunity to have this.

(01:09:32):
So then we cut the commercial, cut the commercial. R
on this momentum we were building towards, like look, here's
the thing, right, it's funny. You know when we did
the ware Cream episode, we broke it down like you know,
this episode's pretty good. It's pretty good, Like all the
beats are there, like again, it's a problem. It's problem
is like this like it kind of it's it's engaging,
it's comic bookie, it's giving us things that that we

(01:09:54):
wanted wanted to see. They just fumble all the big
decisions that they make with the story. But right now,
like we were, we were moving along nicely. Uh So
then we got to go to a screeching hole. We
got to have ol of Her go to Watchtower and
like turn the cameras on, let's find where the disciples
the Dark Side are. Oh day they are. Let me
go up to my locker and open. I'm a green
narrow and I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
A bunch of bats stars in there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
He went from having that impractical but really cool like
clock face left that set. So he has a high
school gym locker with a keypad glued onto the side
of it. What did name? A bigger down? He's got
smoke bombs or whatever. You're all right about the batter angs.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
Though, Yeah, what are they doing there?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
They didn't know. They took him from that billionaire with
wonderful toys.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Yeah, they took him from the Justice Society hangout. Is
this a rap on the clock?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Sorry?

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Is this a rap on the Watchtower?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I guess Jimmy, you show a little respect. Harry James
Elson died for this. What's funny is when I was
watching the season nine uh sacrifice, that episode where I thought,
that's the one where testing Chloe bond. No, they still
hate each other. And what they treated that episode like
that was the last time we're ever gonna see watch,

(01:11:17):
like goodbye, Watch, Like Choe looks at it as they're
leaving and it's falling apart. In the next episode, like
watch dovers back somebody changed their mind.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
Never mind, it was too much to rebuild it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
But that felt like a goodbye yeah, more so than like,
I mean, there's no one else here? Yeah, yeah, like
that that was every thing about Salvation season nine. Finally
they explained like, oh, well, kal El's associates are across
the world battling other people, Like, so no one's here
in Metropolis right now. Oliver is like the only dude
A justed the headquarters, yes to go get his bow
and arrow. And then we get this terrible video game

(01:11:50):
villain dialogue of the profits of Dark Side. Our work
here is done.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
They say it like it's just like yeah, some some
bad power Ranger vibes right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Man power.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
It can't like it really, I know you guys didn't watch.
It really looks like Charmed, which I do not say
with love from there. Like it's just like it looks
so crappy, you know, it's really a bummer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
And then they're like, his mark has been lifted, leather.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Series wrap on the on the war stream green are
ye Darten your deck?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Manzy Darden your neck?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
So who can fan justify whatever the arrows are that
take out the profits?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And I can't man the power of love?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Yeah, okay, they're like, do you really think you possess
the power to defeatos and vanquish or lord whatever? He like?
You know, Matt, you're on prophecy. We wrapped up the
Ryan's boat. I'm like, they could have done something with that.
It feels like that's what they wanted to do. That
is what they But Granny Goodness vaporizing, Yeah, it gets

(01:13:03):
rid of it. I really don't get it. It doesn't
make any sense, it really doesn't. I gotta think that,
like I want to think that there was more to this,
but then when Rosemon came back, Yeah, nobody cares about
about this one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, Yeah, nobody's gonna care now that rose back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
But he does the trick shot with the three arrows
and they all vaporize, turn in like smoke, and they
these vampires from Bleak.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Yeah, like they focus in on the like on the
the the tips of the arrows, like the arrowheads, like
it's special, like they're special for some reason.

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
But was it inf metal? Like did they get that
from Harder.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Like one line?

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
Yeah, yeah, but didn't like just the new one.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
They used the skyrocks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Good lord. So that's a series wrapped for Green Arrow
because because the world's ending, he changes back into his
civilian clothes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
It's a shame looking.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
We'll see it again on Earth ninety and crisis on Infant.
Oh my god, he's is he jumping universes with John
Wisley shiftes? Now he's just constantly found in the But
then we cut to some stock footage of Air Force one,
maybe from Air Force one. I don't know. They're in
the press. I gotta say, this is not where the
press sits on Air Force giant luxury chairs, but it's

(01:14:20):
what they had. It's fine. Lois tries to get in
to see the President and get stopped by the Secret
Service and then basically she's like, will you look outside?
The world's ending? I'm like, did they not know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Things are getting weird? Works every day?

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Things are worse? Noboard dead cops, some great extra game
in the dark Knight.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Some terrible Secret Service agents.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, She's like, look at that goloing forwards crashing into
the planet. And the guy's like, all right, I'll buy it.
I'll buy it something. She runs by the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
There's one Secret Service agent member who is like, hey,
how did you even get on this plane? It's like, well,
did you guys not check her when she walked on
with the fake ID and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
This press pass comes right off, you're a fake And
then like we keet like like we all have the
same ideas, like is this guy the president? She stuck
it's an old white guy the president. I don't want
to go there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
I don't know what you're talking about. Could we go
there for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
It's our dumb ass governor?

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Oh okay, thank him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
The actor resembled him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Yeah, because I'm like, oh, is this the president? Because
it's it's a guy in authority she's talking to doing
and they realized like, no, there's another section. She has
to get through to get to the president because they
talked for a while, mister secretary like, oh, he's the secretary.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
But the President wouldn't be in this meeting with the
Secretary Defense and apparently chilling.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Well, here's the thing, like Victoria Bryan, I'm like, why
are their planes in the sky, like like you know
what they do in the world's They put the president
in a bunk on like underground, like let's get you
up in here for one.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Like there there's a hell coming from above. Let's get
you closer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Why why is he here? Is he going somewhere? Like
they say, are they going?

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
Maybe they're going to a secret bunker.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
Well, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. He was
supposed to be coming to Metropolis for some phone raids
or something, so maybe we're trying to spirit him away
to back to the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, some secret location or something like that. I fixed
it turns out, you know, here's here's the real twist.
The government doesn't have our best interests at heart. Because
Lois is like, oh, I know, if only I told
the government what was going on, they would do the
right thing. But it turns out they knew what was
going on. They know this nuke they're going to shoot
this planet, is going to kill a third of the

(01:16:42):
Earth's population, and like, well, them's the breaks. Fiction is
crazy like that, and it's it's like, you're not even
going to warn the people that you're going to kill
a third of the population. It's like, well, I mean,
it is kind of an impossible choice. The guy's like,
you can't spread bannock. I'm like, whoa, it's a tough situation,
but maybe don't nuke everything, and maybe that's the answer.
Lois does ask where they're going, and they're say, to

(01:17:04):
a secure bunker. I assume the place from Riminator three
we couldn't see.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Or we're uh fox Mulder learned all those secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
And then the next day he brings Scully and it's
been cleared out. Welder, no one's been here in years.
Is her dad supposed to be on this plane? Where
is he?

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
It would have been nice, Yeah, it would have made sense,
but whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
There's lines somewhere about where he is and what he's doing.
But she's like, you have to wait on the blur.
He will save us. I promise. He can't even fly, Lois,
what is he going to do? It's an Adam bomb.
There's nowhere to go quoting small characters from the Dark

(01:17:48):
k Eyes Show. That's what we've done to You're five
hours into podcasting today. Now we have one of the
most egregious uses of stock footage in the history of
this program. Remember how you said Clark can't fly a
few seconds ago. I think the show forgot that because we, oh,
Lark has left the Luther Mansion to go to the

(01:18:10):
barn to get a crystal, gets to turn back on
the fortress.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Oh, that's right, to get the crystal, which.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
We didn't know existed until the end of the last But
why did he pull that out years ago? And it's
solved a lot of problems, but it was really difficult
to deal with this shot. I think it's from season
two when Clark's having the dreams or he's flying, so
it's like, clearly I'm flying shot, but it's why what uh,
just don't even show an establishing shot that's having a

(01:18:38):
musical moment. So and then it's of course this color
red kind of grade over it or whatever. Guess Paul
Ellipse is here. So Clark opens up the bottom of
the barn and pulls out this crystal, and I missed
when it was just the disc. You know, we we
had a good laugh about the disc, but we knew
what the disc. We knew what it represented. I'm like,

(01:18:59):
this is the crystal? This? What is this? I guess
this is how Jarrell talks to him and you see
the thing are about to see but you know this
is We had a brief second of like, oh, what's
this is intriguing right because it's the tease is good.
He's in the barn. We see like this, this shelf
of like jars and stuff. We see a figure, dark
figure moving away. This is gonna be dark side And

(01:19:22):
who is it matter?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
It's doctor Woodrow again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
You thought you'd seen the last of John Lar.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
This poor man all gooed up on this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah, and he says forever. So we were watching with
some subtitles on because we're all together in a big group.
We wanted to make sure we gave it the proper attention.
And he says the lost son of Girell. And I,
for I don't know X amount of years, I always
thought it was the last son, because the last son
of Krypton the loss. You know, Joerel, what are you

(01:19:56):
talking about? Dark Side. It's just a strange thing. And
and again it's it's not Michaelaarenside is just I guess
John Lover's voice through a a thing, and and Clark's like, oh,
you must be dark Side, and I gotta say Tom look,

(01:20:18):
and I gotta say Tom. You know you know Tom.
I I think he kind of mailed in this scene.
He's like, my father sitting me here to protect this planet,
and I will do my last breath, your last breath
this game. You want your last breath, Let's go. That
is Lebron James finally trying to win its championship for

(01:20:42):
his fourth try. That's where that quotes from the pregame.
So look, I like the I really like the message here,
because dark Side is like, you must be disgusted by
these people, like they they fail to me. They're full
of hate. And then Clark's like, it might be easier
to hate, it's more profitable love. I'm like, I love
that message, but it's lost in this sleepy delivery from Tom,

(01:21:03):
in this absurd Lionel Luther's dark Side. Am I right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
It does bumm me out that. Like again, John Clover,
We've said for many years on this podcast, all of
us like, too good for this show. How lucky we
were to have him his last scene. We're gonna revoice,
it's all of it. It's kind of a bummer to me.
I remember watching it the first time and being like, oh,
I'm so sorry John, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
But it's such a good message because he's like, even
in the darker soul, there's always hope, second chance, and
that is what Superman is all about. And it just
gets it gets lost all in all this right, because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Like, you are the light and I will my want you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
I don't know why we quoted this Linelands.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
We've thought this was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Since this is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
It's full on, don't take this Power Rangers. It is
does not belong here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
It is Lionel be in this like dark Side character
like takes me out of the show to remind me
there's a budget. Yeah, they have to use him for
this because they don't have a way to make it
any other way. You know. Yeah, it takes me out
of the show for a seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Can we do dark Side? We can get John back
and put a bunch of k y jelly on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Goof bottle. Let him get a voice modulator, and we
got him. We have dark sid.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Home dark Side, dark Side Max. I can't wait for
this fun go pop. If they make a Lionel Luther
dark Side funk before before before we either blue Shirt,
red Jacket or Blur Clark, I am going to buy

(01:22:45):
it and be very happy. So a possession count plus
one because dark Side is possessed Lionel Oliver Queen, like dude,
I just getting pacific like, so he uses the force
and like chokes him and then blows him back, and
then he just freezes in space and he floats.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Uh huh and winds up in the rings.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
And then all the all the lights start turning off,
and I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
Assume we get an anime moment here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yeah, the crystal activates and freezes time for him, because
you know, if he had the disc, I'd be like,
oh the disc, because the disc made that alternate universe
simulation and apocalypse. The disc can do anything. But he's
standing in the Fortress set and we see flashbacks to
the whole show.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
And yeah, for for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Actually it goes on probably a little bit too well, Now,
how do we feel about this gang? Because the series
finales a lot of series finales do this like flash
all the journey and all that stuff, And I don't know.
I'm really kind of mixed on it, like I don't
I don't dislike it, I don't love it. I kind
of enjoy it because it's like, oh, you're doing the

(01:23:57):
pointing me from leand DiCaprio because you remember that I
seeing Lana Shelby other saves hidden in all the missile
like great moments over the course of the series, right,
do we need to revisit them? No, it feels like patting.
It's kind of the falling to the problem we had
with the last episode where it's like, how are you
like rushed but also slow and boring sporting?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, yeah, no it it feels like it just went
on too long. Like that's a part of it. There's
a part it's like, man, yeah, look at how much
that he's grown as a character. Look at look at
how young he was, look at look at look at
how simple his problems were back in the day and
how complex they are now. But also it's like, Okay,
I got it. Why are you still showing me everything

(01:24:41):
he did? Yeah for ten years now, I know I'm
watching the finale. It just I feel like if they
have to it, it might have been more effective because
like it's also the song too, Like I feel like
the song had like they hit like a second stanza
or something like Okay, it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
In Church where they seen more coarse. I'm like, no, no,
we left on a higha like what would you have
cut him saving Santa Claus. I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
The flashback or the callback and the montage of things
that have happened is a staple of a lot of finalities,
So I get it on that. On that front, if
it was a little bit shorter, it could have gotten
the point. We would have gotten the point and it
would have been and we could have moved on, and
I think it probably would have been much more effective.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
But they really strung this along.

Speaker 5 (01:25:29):
It's also the fact that this is one of three
montages that we get in this episode, and it makes
it feel like a clip.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Show, which I hate it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Clip the montage, it's it's Lex, and then it's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Isn't there another one? Lex Clark? It's it right? Yeah,
well isn't there another one? This one felt along number two?

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Sorry, maybe I thought it was another one. When he's
actually at the fortress, am I wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
No, No, there's not one there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Yeah, excuse me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Then, but the idea that it does go on so
long it brings everything to a screeching holt right in
the middle of a fight to you know, like all, yes, fight,
but like in the middle of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
An action moment.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
It all just like brings it to a screeching halt
and and lasts too long. So like again, it's like
the clip show effect where it's like it's the same
thing that I hated about the first part, where we're
spending so much time on the vows, where it's like
you don't have enough material to pad this out, Like
now we have to do this to fill up your

(01:26:33):
forty minutes. Yes, again, we could cut all of this
down to forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Minutes or something and it would be great. I don't know.
This is a victory lap, right of all the stuff.
So it's fun to see, but I'm like, we have
the DVDs. These are from an era where we didn't
have these things to rewatch.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Yes, this type of television or YouTube clip montages of
like the best of small.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Lists, right, yeah, but also like if you're going to
show me all this, do something better in this episode Yeah,
or do something on part again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
They give us a couple more key things we wanted.
We would forgive so much of this. What did fun
when we saw the clips of the things, I mean,
it is kind of fun, Like keV, you nailed him
and it went on one verse two long. It came
to a natural Okay, we got it. I like the

(01:27:20):
kind of eye zooming in and out. I mean we
did have with Lex too, with him waking up and
the like, I don't know, it makes no sense, it
means nothing, but I kind of like that visual zoom
out of his eye and he's floating there in the
debris of the barn, and then he just kind of
like clenches his fists and I guess dark sides like
I've never seen such a thing before, like never seen

(01:27:41):
someone fly fly now and then they just Clark and
dark Sye both come look at each other like they
don't know what to do. Yes, and then in the
most awkward wire work of the ship just straightens up

(01:28:02):
and flies through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
And now you want to wear the suit.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
That's another one where too, where like when he first
like flies, it's like, oh, it's kind of a natural pose.
How he's there and he's having a bit of a
stance and then immediately like arms out right towards you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
It's interesting that in uh in Talkville, Tom talked about
what Clark flewd the first time in Crusade, and he remembered, like, yeah,
we had one rule about I can never fly in
my arms out because I was like Superman, and so
I always kept him to my side. And I guess said,
Crusade is still the best the flying ever looked on
the show. It was just perfect. It was the season premiere,
season four height of the show. They had a lot
of budget. It was this perfect melding of like some

(01:28:38):
c g I some some the wind machine. I don't
it looked so good. It holds up anything you see today.
And this is like, oh.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
It's very awk.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Can we get another take it? No, we don't have no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
That felt dumb. And I remember I remember Lance, we
were watching him back in twenty eleven. We're like, oh, okay,
well now now he's Clark without the cock. Has defeated
dark Side in human form, right, so that's like level one. Yeah,
and then the next level he's going to be in
the costume is going to fight dark So now I
didn't expect BVS or Superman and lowest level battles. I

(01:29:13):
just expect it a Superman to fight a dark side.
And I didn't realize that we had just seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
And you're like, because that's that's not satisfying.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Ten seasons of podcasting up till that moment, all he.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
That's the best way. It just wasn't satisfying, Like, yeah,
that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
But show keeps us guessing it does right, because we
go from that to the second best seeing of the show.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
There's still time with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
A major ass asterisk on it. Right. So Lex and
Tests meet for the first time. Test goes to, uh
the top of Luther Core building. Something told me that
I find you here. That's contrived. I don't care. We
need these two characters together. Look, it would have been
great to have Michael and John get a scene together Glover,

(01:30:11):
but they had so many over the seven years. She
can't top what they've done. You need you. The story
requires Tests and Lex to meet. This is fantastic again.
They're shooting rose bombs so tight against to the top
of his head. I just love the first shot where
like we see his face and he spins around. They
used that shot and spinning around to split diaper. I
think it is right. You know they did it on

(01:30:31):
Star Trek, the motion picture directed by Robert but which
we all watched here in those very place. We did
very efficient with dialogue here, Lex is like, why do
you think I recruited you? Treat you like my own
flesh and blood? She's like, do you always know what
your sister cleans up so much? And because rose Baum's
a great actor, like, oh cool, exposition tell us more. Well,
you're not annoyed by that, let's go. It's like you

(01:30:52):
used me semantics Lex with her, right, Yeah, he'll use family,
he'll use anyone. Right. And then he's he sums up
that she killed the other Lionel. Right, that's the thing, right,
Like if you have this Slex and that Linel, like
he's gonna kill Lionel again? Like I like how Tess
got to have that final like f you the Lionel?
And yeah, But then it looks like I'm like, what's

(01:31:13):
gonna happen here? Like we didn't Test is a blank?
Test is the new Kloe this show? We don't know
what's gonna have. Also, I'm in love with her like
I wasn't with Chloe, but is the new Kloe? So
you're like, are they gonna be buddies? Like I don't
mean a Luther exists in the comics that they could
do anything. So I love how he just assumes, like
the after which you could never have Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Everybody else I know this show.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
He's projecting on her. He's like, I love you, sis,
and he brings her in for a hug pull out.
He just stabbed her with sword. He had magic tricks
and we didn't know, which.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Does make sense to me because like it's this office,
there's a there's some ancient dagger hidden away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Some thely thing missing ISTI telling the story of Yes,
stagger came from Alexander D the Great and headed down
from Mesopotamiagon. He killed his own brother with this very weapon.
I killed Lucas Luthor with this in season three and
never told anyone that would have.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Been nice, honestly, like surprised he didn't do full like
you know Julius Caesar Brutus type of thing dialogue at
that point, but that would word well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I love this is so insightfled his thinking. He's like,
you know, I'm actually saving you m m and turning
into me. I'm like, well that's that's human being.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
This is spoilers for the Penguin. This is Os killing Victor.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
It is still still hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Yeah. I love the the account, like the Twitter account
after the Penguin he did they said he had his
chance and the unhinged But no, this is this is
getting back then like Lex Luthor things definitely in the
rest of us, right, and I liked and the show
did that back in the old days. Right. We forget
that because he's been away for so long. But I

(01:32:57):
love that he thinks he's really like doing her favor
and she has the ultimate fu and says Clark already
did that, like damn, Like, so that's gonna that you know,
that's gonna fuel his rage to Clark even further years
to come. Absolutely why this scene if ended there and
then and then because she reaches up with this gloved

(01:33:19):
hand and there's this like wanted more goop and Lex
is confused and we're confused, and she says some exposition
about summer Hole and we know what that was, so okay,
but it's amnesia goo, yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
It erases kindative function or something recognition. Excuse me, did
any of you guys think that you'd forgotten something from
the show the first time?

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Said?

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
Because I didn't. I remember watching this and going like,
this feels like some season six ball I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, sure, I guess they did this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
It's uh, it's incredibly frustrating because they did not need
to do that. I think we all know this. I'm
not say anything that we don't already know, but part
of the excitement I had of the last scene with
Clark and Lex is imagining and or hopefully seeing somehow
them have it to be Lex, Luthor and Superman knowing
very well who each other is, yes, and still having

(01:34:22):
to like play the roles of these people because they know,
like they don't expose each other, they just kind of
battle it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Out, but also like having the respect to keep it
just between.

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
The show had pulled off this new dynamic for this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Oh that's great. You know, like they literally just kind
of destroyed all the good will that last scene made. Yes,
you know, they made Legs look dumb with the memory thing,
and they made like, you know, I'm gonna be there
every time. Well, I'm counting everything we just said.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
We liked.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
They just messed up with that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
They get away with not showing us that because they
set it up so perfectly. And then they say, oh,
by the way that setups not yeah, no longer it's valid.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, very like X Men origins Wolverine. We need to
we need to explain to you why he has the
jacket shoot in the memory. Yeah, you know, it's like
the memory. Yeah, it's like it's okay, you don't have
to make it be like, I don't know, Superman is
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
God, I looked. I tried to find something. I'm sorry
if I if it's out there, and I couldn't find
it all. But like some mandate reason, the movies were like,
you know, you have to put it to this comic
book status quo, like you assume this is like a
WB thing from the movie division saying, hey, line this
up with the TVs, right, But it wasn't as far
as I could tell. They just decided, oh, yeah, you

(01:35:35):
know in the Chris Reeve movies, h Clark's a bumbling
nerd and Lexus and know who he is. So oh
they're not married either, so we can't do any of that,
Like what and Srumman returns are come and gone five
years ago now, so I just don't understand. I just
want to know why they thought they had to do this,
and I have never been able to find an answer
at all. Then we see the memories start to burn away.

(01:35:57):
We see all of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
This traumatic events memories all alone in the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
In non chronological order. I might add back to sports.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Oh, this must be the other montage you were talking about? Then, yes,
I really did you see a single good memory of
lex get removed? Did we see a single good memory
of Lex get removed?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
That's the thing, right, we were watching this from like
this is actually very trauma freeing, like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Traumatizing thoughts just disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
He had a rough life as this is shows the
meter shower his birthday party when nobody showed up and
kill him. That the guy became a ghost to Clark
killed with the dead baby. No, there is a shot
in the crib of Julian. Yeah it's dark man. Excuse me,
Finyl hitting him like you don't have any psychotic break Like,

(01:36:58):
I'm like, you've done and I don't know man, Like
if I had all these memories, I'm like, well this
is great. Give me a clean slate. There's so much
like you know, it would make this interesting if like
Lex came back to the begining a season ten and
this happened and the whole season like, oh, no, is
he gonna remember right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Is he gonna find out all this stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
The last scene of him, like we get a little
bit of a hint to something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Like yeah, I remember everything right, But then it's like
he kills line all, he marries Lana, all this stuff right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
One of my personal favorite shots, We've talked about it
time and time and time again is Lex in the
snow in front of the Fortress and everybody says, oh, yeah,
that's a deleted scene from season seven, and everyone is wrong.
Rosabaum himself has said they flew him up to the
snow with Tom and season four or five of the

(01:37:55):
Fortress stuff, and they filmed them out there. I guess
they didn't know if they were gonna like suck Chloe
out there or they hadn't decided, so they shot him
out there in the snow and somehow this special effect
got completed and put somewhere and whatever in turn edited
together that I'm gonna keep saying that no disrespect, but like,
whoever edited together this montage. Didn't realize that never happened
on the show, all right, for the last time. There's

(01:38:18):
a deleted scene from the unaired version of Veritas. It's
in the CW promo for Sleeper. I believe uh Lex
in the parka yeah, he he pulls the goggles off.
He walks swords of Fortress. That was gonna be the
last shot of season seven in Veritas, and then and
then in the in an Arctic in season seven, he's

(01:38:39):
wearing a totally different outfit. Yeah, you know, his gloves on,
all that stuff that's not from there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
This never happened, So his memory has gone into he like,
does an internet search?

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Maybe interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Like I like no one helped me more. Everyone else
didn't forget about who Lex Luthor was, just him, So
like if he searched his internet, he like, oh, I
was married to a woman named Lana Laying And well
that's what's interesting because you like look up his history
in his life and then the substitute teacher for me, yeah,
and then and then like oh, like I had an
accident and hit a kid named Clark Kent and small
of it, like he can just like that's all records

(01:39:13):
that's all public records.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
Happened to this Roger Nixon guy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
He's yeah, cool, how many Daily Planet articles have like
pictures of him?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
And look into his history. He's gonna learn everything.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
That's what I'm saying. If this is the season ten
premiere in Rosemond goes back for a full season, you
follow him trying to put the piece of his life.
That's how you get your a lot of episode. Kristen
Kirk was never going to return for season ten. He goes,
he goes, and he finds her, and that's the whole thing,
and let's rewrite season ten. Yeah, so here's the thing
I'm gonna say. It's not a terrible idea, like in theory,

(01:39:45):
but you have to follow up with that. The real
crime here is they unravel the perfect setup. We've all
been talking about this whole conversation between Clark and Lex
and then we just get let standing up and be like,
he doesn't know who he is anything. So they're they're
they're they're careful to cognitive recognition. So like he has
like memory amnesia, but he knows how to like to
walk and talk.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Yeah, who's this dead woman?

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Right? What's the story there? It's so it's so intrigued
help her. Yeah, they gotta say, Tests is really a
tragic character. They give her this win at the end
where she kills Lionel, she raises Lex's mind, but then
she's killed and then who knows, No one knows, no
one finds out this information, right, I mean that's a
missing component, right, there's no mourning for her.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Did not actually even consider that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Yeah, but it's a real sad end, Like what it's
sad ending for her, right because she's like she made
all the all the right redemption choices a Lex never could.
She gets killed and discarded and then like this is
this is a great it's like the memory wipe thing.
If this is the season ten premiere, what are an
amazing we got to solve the mystery Tests? This is
death or disappearance. Yeah, you gotta get Lex's memories. But

(01:40:54):
it's all right there and then she's she's dead and
you're like wow, like to me that that's like she
hit the best character your ark at this finale.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Yeah, it's it's it's more along the lines of like
the prequel problem where it's like, well, she can't be there.
Apparently when Superman and Lex are them, So I guess
they just decided to kind of unceremonously kill her off.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Yeah, but but she'll say mostly I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Like like she has like like she does one of
the most impactful things of the finale.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
But I hate that thing. Yeah, So it's that's the
that's the paradox there, right. Yeah, and then he looks
out the window and he sees apocalypse And I gotta
say that the effect this decision. So you know, I
know you're a big fan of Lex Corp. Sure you
prefer to be called Lex Corp. Luthor Corp. Can't. I

(01:41:43):
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
I don't know that that's true. I think you're putting
words in memba.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
But I like it. I refer you to every episode
of Lewis and Clark.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Because of this show, Luthor Corp Has become.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
I feel like it's like cemented into the Superman mythos
for me because Luther Corpu is such a big part
of this show for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Yeah, and I guess I never realized because small of
was so formative to me. Luther Corpus is unique to
the show. It started here because a Lione Oliver is
an election Okay, great, When are they going to turn
into lex Corp? And there was a whole Lex Corp
in like season two. We all like, there's a logo
a that all just disappears.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
I want a T shirt of that logo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Sure, yeah, then they never talked about LexCorp again, and
lexix Ober Luthor Corp. And then test ex Ober Luther Corp.
And then Oliver takes over Luther Corp. And then every
brand is Luthor Corp at the top of this building.
How are they going to turn into lex Corp?

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
I know, no one will ever remember your name. Lex
Skills line only changes the Lex Corp perfect Oh oh, oh,
we didn't do that. Oh what is it? Oh? I
know Apocalypse gets too close to Earth and gravity shifts
and all the letters fall off the sign YEP, and
it's an l X Corp because two of the beams
make an X.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Yeah, yeah, good time. Look, I would love a lex
Corp logo where it's like LX Corp. That's cool, but
not like this, not like this. And that's the third
of Rosenbaum's Thanks he did, We'll check back in with

(01:43:12):
him shortly.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Can we say here? I'm really like, yes, they could
have put John in the scene with him. But I
I think that Cassidy had earned a scene with Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Yeah, I sure.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
I think they used this scene, this half, this afternoon
of Michaels correctly and put him in the scene that
he needs to be Like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
I like that. We we took the time.

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
To really really buy Test's involvement in the past couple
of years, like she had earned it again. We I
think we all became fans of Tests.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Absolutely, I mean bringing her and John lover and the
earth through stuff like. And then this was the final piece.
This was the last little segment of it. It was
actually talking. Here's a quote from him talking about this quote.
I didn't know what the hell's going on. Wait, loads
of Clark are getting married, and my friends started explaining
to me. But when I watched it, I go, it's
got good energy to it. I love my scene with

(01:44:06):
Clark and Lex So that was really good. It was
a nice when ended. I loved that I killed my
sister for someone who shot just one day. To see that.
I was proud of it. I was happy and I
was glad it was over. Great. Thank you for your time, Michael.
It just undoes the whole show.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
Matt Oh, I hate that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
That's because everything I think the positive you if you
you could so edit that out and lift it out
and wouldn't change it. Things, wouldn't. That's the thing we
never follow up with. No one knows this happened, right,
there's no consequence. The next time we see lex is
on a screen. I've seen people do this for this scene,
Like they just snip out that part where he goes
he just kills test dance and looks out the window.

(01:44:41):
There's no change. Yeah, and then it's an ape.

Speaker 5 (01:44:43):
Yeah, I get you, and I love the idea of
him like coming back to kill her and then like
is stepping into his role the villain, you know, like
as the head Luther in town.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
So then we cut to the fortress. Clark is there
need has come to an These are your trials? Like
again totally going against what they said the last episode
where He's like your trolls are falling from over and
Clark's like, no, my trolls are over when I said
that they are, which is the best life message. I
agree with it. He's not controlled by some computer, Dad,
I'm plugged. It says, choose my destiny. No, that's wrong,

(01:45:19):
plug computer dad back in. Yeah, he's gonna tell you
what to do. Some strange dialogue here, right. We've had
a good laugh about it over the years, like they
they re reconcile. You know, Jorell and Clark.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
It was your time in Smallville with Jonathan Demotha Kent.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
And all the people.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
It's just such and the rest thing. It's so funny.
I know that our friend Anthony, I'm thinking Gripnight loves
this line. M I guess I can't look past us
laughing at it for so many years. Maybe it is good.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
Sorry, Anthony, I'm sorry. I don't want to y here,
but it's just it's very funny. If Joel is gonna
be like, oh, there were a lot of people the show,
everybody else too, we're very influential.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Clingy girl, that clingy blondehead and your black friend.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Remember him and Jason Tigue.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
And yeah that girlfriend you had that died.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
And shout out to Trevor the man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Who became bugs when you smashed.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Look, he thanked Clark for his service. But we saw
the video message of Julian Sands and Helen Slater like
I thought we were we were cool now but then
he went in and plugged him. It was the whole
thing like they created. That's the show though, right two
steps four, three steps back boys the Wallah, Wow, that's

(01:46:46):
that's a deep.

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Cut those Tatoo fellows.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
But man, it feels like this scene where he's talking
about your trows over and behind you like should have
been the montag Are scene right instead of like not
like why like that we would laugh less if he
was saying that why we were seeing what he.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
Was talking about one of those Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Jonathan
Taylor Thomas, one of the Took Your Powers.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
It's just because these two scenes are the same but
just differently done.

Speaker 5 (01:47:27):
Correct clip show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
But uh yeah, it's just Clark in the fortress and hey,
you're gonna lift the darkness from the earth, and oh,
here's this costume and it comes out of the ground
and even though it wasn't in the ground the last
few times we saw it, put them on the ground.
I guess it had to be to hide it from Clark.
I don't know. It's just funny that like Martha made
this costume. Uh huh, Like could you say, well, Jill

(01:47:50):
took my costume? Can you make another one. No, Clark,
just take the jacket.

Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
It's really hard to which.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
By the way, he doesn't wear that jacket in the
series and only does he No, it's weird how it
comes out of the ice and like they're they're covering up,
they're covering up the trunks with the cape. I'm like,
we know he's gonna have trunks, Like what do you
what are you trying to pull on us? Like are
you are you embarrassed by that? I don't, I don't
Maybe I don't know. But we see that we see
the brander ouse super Return costume in the ice with

(01:48:17):
the cape from Action because that's well Superman Returns costumes.
It's not great, so that the cape is I would
say the worst part, one of the worst parts. So
they replaced that fruit roll up cape the proper cloth.
We see the costume. Clark sees the costume and it's
it's the Superman Returns costume. It's used as a prop, right,

(01:48:38):
But then Clark turns around and Ghost Dad is there,
yea with a different costume. Yeah, maybe it was the Hdividal.
I didn't really realize this till till years later, but like,
what ghost Dat is holding it's it's it's flat. There's
no texture to it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
The Sumer Returns was was famous for having all like
that micro s's on everything, very textured. I mean they've
showed it to us multiple times on the show. Now
I know what it looks like up close in this universe,
and it's suddenly different, like and I know it was
a prop and remember Turns, I had to treat her carefully,
so maybe something like that. But they could have made
it look more like the costume is my only point.

(01:49:14):
It was clearly a different s uh that ghost Dad
was holding with a cape around it and he hands
off to Clark. I like, how DROs sees your destiny earlier?
That's cool, Like like if the finale was more beloved,
they probably have T shirts that says seize your destiny.
Like the small Ville finale.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
You'd be listening to Seize your Destiny a.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
Small but hey, this scene where the podcast gets his name. Yes,
when I was Brainley Jonathan or Martha Kins and older
people there when I was Brainstorm, what do I call
this like level three or whatever? Like it's like, no,

(01:49:52):
always hold on to small Ville. I think that perfectly
encompasses what we do here. We always hold on the
small vill right, and he says it to Clark, we
say to each other is the sign.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Off as we raise our glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
We all, all of us raise the glass when he
said it. It was a great time with that. Yeah,
how can I be so hard on Ghost Dad? And
he gave me the name for the podcast. I get it,
I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:12):
I think it's a better podcast name than it is
a line in this show, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
You, and now it's always holding the film in the blank. Yeah,
it's great. It's a great multipurpose like branching off name right. No,
it's just weird because Ghostad has been gone since the
end of the part one. It's it's again watching the
two parts. It's like, oh, Rosen Moms in this one,
and that's in this one. John's in this one.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
Yeah, he's really the only guest star that kind of
branches is.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
People argue online like, oh, this was a hologram by Joel,
Like what are you talking about? Like, I never that
never are you trying? Are you trying to tell me
that there was a ghost Dad? But also like a holographic.

Speaker 5 (01:50:46):
Watch this show. You gotta accept that this is ghost Dad.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
The time, Your time again, the nods of approval, Johnson's
like cool suit, huh yeah, Clark takes it and then
ghost Dad disappears. Then Clark just does kind of a
hero dance, crouches down. The music starts swelling, the Blur music.

(01:51:10):
I was always waiting for the Blur music to transition
into the Superman music. They decided not to do that,
which is very unfortunate because it's it would be really
cool to organically one would come the other. He crouches
down the whole like the first Frightened Crusade, and he
takes off. He's holding in the Superman costs. He's gonna
do it. He's gonna put the thing on. Clearly, I
know why that suit was different, because he can't wear

(01:51:31):
the Superman returns when his Brandon Ralph is a different side.
That's why they made this other one, why they do that.
So he takes off, and that's when I really started
to get concerned, because we see an extreme close up
of Tom Welling's face, a very cgi animated looking suit
being like kind of drawn onto him. We see the
gold ass on the back, which look I love it,

(01:51:52):
but people act like it's some giant deal breaker. I'm
like most of the Superman actually don't have that the
fact they came. But he flies out of the fortress.
You're like, okay, well that was some c g I
and he's going off to do something. Sure, so when
we come back from commercial, the final commercial break in
the history of the show, we're gonna see him do

(01:52:13):
some Superman things and we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
You can here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Saying that though, keV if there was no clear and
present danger of like you must defeat the like you
take all that away. And this is like the last
scene and he's become Superman and you're like, oh yeah, okay, cool,
like because everything's going on, he has to go stop
something instead of all this stuff like Lex is done,
Clark could be done, but it didn't have to be
like the end of what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
But that's not the way.

Speaker 6 (01:52:47):
That's not how this one worked.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Out, because uh, air Force one is rocking and rolling
and there's a lot of turbulence at the day.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
I will say the like wire work of like throwing
the people around this sat looks.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Much better than a work on Tom earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
Well, yeah, those people were ragged man cool like Superman returns.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
It looks. Yes, it evoked that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
You know, look, Superman Returns is the gold standard for
live action. I was not expecting that. Yeah, you're wrong,
but Serman's saving a plane, saving her first one. Its
president for it. Good idea, right, Everything inside the plane
is great. Everything outside the plane that's when we knew.

Speaker 6 (01:53:31):
That's when we knew.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
That he was never going to wear the costume.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:53:37):
There's so much of this as a fan when you're
watching it for the first time, that's like bargating with yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Like, well that's Superman. You know, I'm fulfilled by this,
but no, like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
It really Yeah, obviously leaves us all flat as we
started this conversation with that, But it's an interesting phenomena
as a fan, like watching this and like trying to
see how you feel about it when when you want
to be into it, you know, like, we love this show,
We're here for a reason, yes, but it's not doing
what we want.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
What do you want to do? Yeah, it's hard now.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
According to Brian Peterson, DC Comics offered the Christopher Reeve
suit to Smallville, and they declined. They said, quote just
didn't quite fit in our world and that is also infuriating.

Speaker 5 (01:54:28):
Yeah, they're probably right with that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
You know, I you are right because the return suit,
the material, it does fit more than the Justice League
they had the Levery. But this is I mean, Sermerman's
costume should look different, right, sure, I just and Chris
Reeve was here. This is the spiritual successor of those movies.
But Returns was connected those two, so there's the connective tissue.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
But yes, yeah, but like if they had given him
like Dean Kane suit, you would have had the same thing, like,
well that doesn't really fit.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Yeah, fair enough, but like the you're like, oh, we
could do Christophe but we didn't. I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
That's rough.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
But you know what, I would have taken Tom in
any costume match because then like he is, is anyone
seeing the Superman cereals with Kirk Allen, I cannot recommend them,
But that is it. That is where we are because
in that when when he would take off, he'd become

(01:55:25):
a cartoon. And I guess time is a flat circle
because here we are he's some man takes off, he's
a seat cartoon. And it's like there's the one scene too,
when like Clark goes up to the window, like they
smile at each other. I'm like, that's a moment, like
oh hey hey, but it's clearly like a CG painted on,
like what are we doing? This is where that? And look,

(01:55:47):
I was skeptical of Tom's like weekend going that journey
with him, right, I'm like back then I was. But
he keeps saying I think he believes that. I kind
of see his point, but then all this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Don't show this part.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
We can't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Yeah, don't show all that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Just give us ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:56:04):
It's tough, though, but they've lasted too long where they
can't do something at this point, you know, and they've
done too many breadcrumbs. A lot of this is them
shooting themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
Yes, they've done this to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, he saves the Air Force one. Yes,
he has the moment with Lois, right, he flies off
to to stop apocalypse. Lois picks up a video camera. Yeah, sure,
Lois Lane Daily Planet.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
As if it's her Introduction's if like she was like
the intern that wound up on this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Very guys, I'm here at her for one. We're gonna
go at the end of the world. But then someone
says miss Lane and it's the President. Yeah, and I'm
like this is where I'm like, oh, we're missing so
much of the like we want to see Lois Lane's
first iny be with Superman talking to the President about
it and him establishing that's how you lift the darkness.

(01:56:56):
Superman steps into the light, lands on the roof of
the Daily Planet or on the streets of Metropolis. A citizens,
you know of what citizens? I am Superman and all
this and that. But you would have to have Tom
in a costume because you can't shoot him from the
neck up in a scene like that. Right, So that
would give it Superman for inspiring speech at the end, right,
lift the darkness? But instead, how do they lift the darkness?

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
He it's just people seeing him do the impossible, right,
and then pushing the planet away.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
He's going to ask you to believe the impossible.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
Yes, And I guess I thought that would be me.
They just see a blue blur moving the thing out
of the way, or at least a blue blur going
up going back to it, and then the thing starts
moving away very quickly and efficiently.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
The world has not seen any of the other Justice
League do anything.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
Yeah, and we've also seen. We get to see Oliver
Queen in his street clothes.

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
Go come on, Clark, right, what do you think the
rest of the Justice League's doing for this?

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Go get him. Clark gotlos by that guy. His name
is Clark.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
But they have no reason to think this the Blur
did this or who I mean there's.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Yeah, he's not the Hood anymore. He's the Arrow.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
Yeah, that's see, that's it. That's it right, the same
Arrow did a much better job with that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):
So hey, he's friendly with some reporters at the Daily
Planet though. I bet I bet he gets a good
spin at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
Yeah, but he's the most powerful superman of all the
time because he flies up to the apocalypse and just
pushes it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:18):
Yeah, straight up silver rage.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
Yeah, like powers, right, and so because he pushes it,
it can't can't come back. I think some of the
thinking is the darkness symbals draw the planet to the
next planet.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Okay, there were lines about that in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Yes, we did have a laugh because there's like this
interracial couple on the street. Oh yeah, they hug and
they're like about to kiss, and then the Force awakened rules. Yeah, like,
oh no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
So obviously, like we didn't want to pressure the extras.
They've never really met each other.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
You know, it's fine, he's like but least at least
he was a light skin, so like like you can
infer all you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
But that's that is the last scene in twenty eleven
Smallville on Earth one sixty seven because we got in
space and we we see CGI Superman from far away.
Cut to extreme close up of Tom Willingk's face with
the CGI K with the Yllows on it behind him.
Cut again to CGI Superman far away but with the

(01:59:17):
camera zooming in there we're gonna and then we cut
we cut too a Colm book of christ Reeve Superman
in space, and then Chloe gets to say, and that
was the day the boy turn in to Superman. Chloe
is the person who says Superman. So the people who
have said Superman on the show, Lana Lang, what are

(01:59:37):
you mad at Superman? Sure? Like suthor behold the Superman,
I think. Lewis Lane says Superman, Behold Superman. Harry Carter Hall,
we're talking about it. And then Cloe Sullivan crew this
is a Superman origin show. We did not see Lois
Lane name him. We did not see his first interview.
Like I'm not saying it used to become Lewis and Clark,

(01:59:58):
but I need those pilot elements or first two three
episode elements to establish the world, not a comic book
that no one should be reading. Because the compromises Clark's
secret identity, they had the opportunity to here where they're
they're building up like the different personas for a few
episodes too, like he does have the suit, ye, but
he's not the coat, and and and there is there's

(02:00:19):
an opportunity there where she'd be like, well what would
you be called? Like what do we do with that symbol?
You know, like they you know, they could have kind
of built that in, but they even the like even
the tease of like the Man of Steel interrogation seemed
like it's not an s we all have a good
laugh about it, right, It's become a meme at this point.
But she's like what about and then they get interrupted.
I'm like perfect, even that The best the best line

(02:00:44):
about it was again from friend of the show, Jeff
John's and Booster and Booster's like you got the blurred
sounds like a ruler coaster you know you got a
brand like something starts with that s you wear on
your chest. I'm like, there it is, like I guess
that's as good as.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
So.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
You might wonder I have always thought this, Why is
Chloe tucking her child into bed at two o'clock in
the afternoon? This small the wiki has the answer, my friends.
According to the package that Louis receives in twenty eighteen,
Chloe and her son are in Singapore. Hints why she
is tucking her son in for the night while it's
still shown to be mourning in Metropolis because she's said

(02:01:22):
that something blue, Yeah, for her wedding, got to wear
there's a stamp on it or something. Yeah. He probably
won't be able to make it out.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
She's not the wedding, she's the Singapore. Why are they
in Singapore?

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Arrow stuff? China? Where's the North China? See so, I
have been on record, many, many any times saying the
season eleven comic is not canon. I still hold that,
But we might wonder what is the name of Chloe
and presumably all of her son here again from small
of Wiki, Chloe's son is unnamed in the two part finale. However,

(02:01:56):
Roy the season eleven comic confirms that the boy's father
is all for Queen and the boy's name is wait
for it, Jonathan What what?

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
What?

Speaker 6 (02:02:05):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
What? Just like Ben Solo, that is just as dumb funny.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
Wait, doesn't Chloe have a dad?

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
He's Alison. Alison Mack has been quoted as saying that
Chloe's an orphan because she forgot Cape Sullivan did not die.
Maybe that's all we need to quote Alison for them.
He's got red and yellow arrows in his room here
in Singapore, so he's gonna be speedy one day. I
guess Okay, Chloe's hair is much better than twenty eighteen,

(02:02:36):
by the.

Speaker 5 (02:02:36):
Way, yeah saying yeah, looking good.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
That's maybe that was why they plenty made her hair
so bad so we could tell.

Speaker 5 (02:02:42):
Him, Yeah, maybe they found a great place in Singapore too,
Like it's really love him.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
I gotta tell you guys, this is unintentional, right, but
like you know, this podcast took what eight years? Right,
So it's been eight years since now and then twenty
sixteen me and twenty twenty five me. Nine years TV
made me think everyone looks the same ten seven years
of part I'm like, only pretty different, Yes, not thing
we all do. It's a various degrees. Just so funny that,
like seven years in the future, everyon looks exactly the same.
But the last thing about Jonathan Queen here, I guess

(02:03:11):
John Queen, Johnny Queen Warrior Rangel underus. Yeah, very nice,
like good universe building. Yeah, and now and now and
now and now we get to the scene that everybody
who didn't watch the finale watched online to know how
smovel ended. And the one we all said our friends,

(02:03:32):
Lois opens this package from Singapore. Yes, and it's a
little blue ribbon just in time, Cauz. Thanks, And it's
future Lois because she's wearing her glasses. It is a
game changer. Look, I've always said Lois Ling should wear
glasses because she would know Clark in Super Mamba. That
doesn't apply in this universe. Yes, Kate bos with hearing glasses,

(02:03:52):
bad choice because she looks cute. Nost clearly has a
thing for people in glasses, much like that a thing
for women in dress shirts. As we've justablished on this podcast.
Many times, his mat remembers some weird facts as mine,
which is weird. Share way too much personal information on
this podcast we cut to Perry White, editor Michael McKean,
nobody rolling on the daily. It's like, you know what, Michael,

(02:04:17):
we couldn't afford it. You couldn't give us the friend
and his family discount. I guess with a net. But
you know what, you we have your voice Scott Less.
He called in, we need that so check I think, yes,
you know what else, we have a check of Aaron Ashmore.
He's back now. It is Henry J. Molson. What is
Jimmy Olsen. He's like playing, oh, hey there, miss Lane.
He's wearing a little like the newsboys hate what.

Speaker 5 (02:04:41):
Do they call a flat cap or something?

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
So yeah, and he's obviously I get I haven't done
the time. If this is let's see season eight. That
kid was a the seventh, he's like eighteen maybe for
generous fine, he's hey or miss Lane. He's got the
bow tie on. He's taking pictures that aren't great of Superman.
Lewis is telling him, I'm pecks, I want pearly whites,
I want s Yeah, where's the drama? Yeah, listen, Olsen,

(02:05:05):
your brother was a heck of a photographer and you're
gonna be just as good as him.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Yes, So frustrating, so frustrating they're describing as Superman we
don't have. Yeah, it's so frustrating. That's that's not the
character we just watched with ten seasons. Yeah, they're talking
about the one that everyone knows outside of Smallville.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Well that's the problem, right, I mean, Matt, we've talked
about this before. It's coming yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:05:29):
They've been going off on this this uh, veering away
from their own continuity of the previous years, thinking like,
well only nerds know that, you know, like let's go
to the just the Superman generic stuff so that we
can get more viewers. Maybe, you know, I don't understand
the reasoning behind it, or it was just kind of
a lack of interest for the new writers, you know,

(02:05:51):
more or less for what it has been established before.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
Are you saying the writers only with the cliff notes
the Veritas journals?

Speaker 6 (02:05:57):
I believe so.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
Actually, yeah, right serves ghost Yeah, they.

Speaker 5 (02:06:01):
Came up with the idea of the Veritas.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Now sore we are how many great Caesars ghosts? You know,
because he says that in the comics. One of the
best updates for Lewis and Clark was a great update
that Great Scisors Ghost Place. I love it. Then we
go to uh the Internet and we see Luther elected
president in the Year of Our Lord twenty eighteen. Very
funny to me that this bothers.

Speaker 5 (02:06:25):
I wonder, ooh, interesting comics to become president.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
No, it's Al Gore and George Bush in two thousand.
He runs his independent any ways.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:06:37):
Also, I noticed that Lex was wearing a white city.
You think that was a big news story at the
village on ye, because don't.

Speaker 6 (02:06:43):
Wear don't wear a tan one.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (02:06:46):
He also seems to wear it every every day.

Speaker 6 (02:06:51):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
I remember I showed some friends who hadn't watched them.
I'm like, hey, here's the end. They did a cool
things and they were like, this is like a fan
at what does this? They thought this looked fake because
it looks kind of fake. Again. This is the fourth
thing was mom did the whole like turn around and
look at the camera thing, right.

Speaker 5 (02:07:06):
I'm sure they did a few takes on that and
him taking the mask off thing too, But like both
of these were done within like three hours that you know,
like the rest of the most of his day was
those two bigger scenes.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
So there's an interview with Brian Peterson about the finale
around the time Finale came out from tv Line and
they asked the question, how did your plans for the
Lex storyline change once you knew Rosebomb will return? And
Kelly Sounders and Marian Peterson had this to say, In
some ways it was pretty similar. He just would have
been a puppeteer behind the scenes. It would have been

(02:07:40):
revealed at the end of the show rather than seeing
a good scene with him and Clark. And that tells me,
well they been I've thought about this many times all
the years talk about it. I assume they just would
have used stock footage from Apocalypse as President Lex put
it on the screen, I'm like, oh look and never
explained it, like, oh, there it is right, horses looks

(02:08:00):
other of course he's back, and like, no, no one
would ever even talk about it, and and honestly, had
the US stock footage from pocalyp spinal looked better.

Speaker 5 (02:08:09):
Than maybe they're Also there's the idea that like, I
wonder if the close ups we get of like the
messed up body like like the Frankenstein Lex are actually
rosenbaumb like. So there's a version where we're close up
on that face with the Darth lex helm or mask,
and he's like tearing it off, and we cut away
before we actually see it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Sits up in the back and it's a ball.

Speaker 5 (02:08:31):
Sure whatever whatever arty way of doing it without showing
his face.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
The seeds of this are in the original Alan Miles, like, oh,
President Lex, we always got in there is that because
up to this point this was the only live action
what still is really the only live action thing that
even addressed the President Lex, which was huge in the
early two thousands when the show.

Speaker 5 (02:08:46):
Was a big continuity think at that time.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Yeah, so we see that and it's like, okay, but
even though you got the year wrong, like bizarre that
that doesn't bother you, Matt, See that's what the election year.

Speaker 5 (02:08:57):
Yeah, no, this is the DC universe. I don't care
what they do when they have elections. They couldn't care less.
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
But we go from that to uh lois going up
the stairs yep, and bumps and old bumbly Clark Kent
almost all excoose me, Oh my goodness. Oh and I
love this Clark Kent and the inference here yes, oh
I'm sorry, but like.

Speaker 6 (02:09:24):
Not like She's like, nobody's paying attention.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
And so do people not know they're engaged seemingly because
at the end of Booster was like, it's okay, we're
gonna be married, because Clark was worried about, like, why
are you going to be married to me? I'm a loser.
That's gonna look bad on you. She's like, it's okay,
we can handle it. Did they change their mind? Is
like if they act like they don't know each other,
which is strange.

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
Do you ever work with someone and then out of
nowhere they completely act different and no one notices. Like
this guy that was kind of smooth and kind of
cool and always look like he knew what was going
on suddenly starts tripping it everywhere and bumbling the people.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
It's been seven years of doing this, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (02:10:03):
A long time. Turnover rate must be high.

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
The end of season ten kind of addressed it. You know,
we're gonna I'm gonna wark trench. Got to glasses on that.
But the problems he's worked there three years? Yeah right, Yeah,
that's a major shift. And oh, here's all the newspaper
pictures him before and he looks exactly like Superman. Yeah,
that I get.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
It's like it's like, oh, you know, you're sitting in
the break room with his like nerd and you're just
like parking a conversation. So what did you do high school?
I'm a state championship winning quarterback. Yeah you know, I'm six. Yeah,
you know I'm a You see that hot girl over there?
Yeah she's my girlfriend. Yeah, you're definitely a loser, man.

Speaker 5 (02:10:44):
It's the I mean, do any of us like the version?
I say this honestly, like no judgment, Do any of
us like a version better where he is the bumbling
Clark Kent and not more like himself and Superman is
the persona.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
I like the performance and when that and bring like
entertainment wise, sure, I just like a difference between the
person is incredibly wonderful.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
It They never made Clark a bumbling nerd ever, right,
He's always just been like a well that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
They're like, you think they're doing their own thing and
they're like, oh, we got to do what the Chris
Reeves did, Like why those are my gold standard? But
this is not that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
Yeah, they're certainly making him a superman he never was,
and because like, because.

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
There are other ways to make it make Clark be
like an unassuming person that like, there are other ways
to make it so that way Clark would not be
conceived of as being Superman, right, there are other ways
to look at it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Well, even the lane that lane. I think he's a
and I love Chris, He's the gold standard, but like
the more unassuming, kind of goofy, weird like Clark Kent.
Ralph found that lane. Yeah, and it's not like he's
not constantly doing.

Speaker 4 (02:11:56):
Yeah, you know, the tribute, but you can just kind
of be like unassuming, just kind of kind of quirky
a little.

Speaker 5 (02:12:00):
There's like an oafishness to l Clark, which is less
less the goofiness and more of just like, oh, he's
just like a big dork and he is nervous here
and he's kind of like that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Yeah, my favorite moment of Vin is Clark Kent or
it's like this is Richard. He's in the horror movies,
so there is room for personality. And Chris reeve evolved
the Clark Kent over the course of his fortunes as well,
so it's not this. I think there's a misconception he
was really two dimensional. He got more dimensionals went on, Yeah,
it's just this. Ultimately, keV, what you're saying is spawn on,
that's what not the Clark we watched ten years and

(02:12:32):
at the end of the show they're like, oh, we
better do that, and we're like why.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
It's very prequel ish, like the last fifteen minutes of
Revenge of the Sith. It's like, we got to make
sure everyone gets to where we saw them when Yeah,
so we like got to fast track every.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Now even though that was too fast, that was legitimately
linking up to something else. This links up to nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Links up to like the idea we have of this
character who the character we've been saying is.

Speaker 5 (02:12:55):
I must say that I am alone on my side
of the table because Victoria has left already, so I'm
going to bring up for her. How wonderfully horny this
Lois Lane is. For this Clark Kent, this was like established.
I feel like in Homecoming when we see them go
to the go forward to the future. But like I
I love the just like the affection, the physical affection,

(02:13:16):
the attraction that she has for him, and and it
it doesn't feel forced, It doesn't feel just Causey's Superman,
but it is kind of fun for her, and it
doesn't feel just because they're doing secrets here at the
Daily Planet, though that's kind of hot, you know, like
I just I love how into each other they are
in this, in this whole thing, and it's really brought

(02:13:37):
out by by her performance.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
As we established part one on this podcast, I've been
to workplace romances before. It's exciting. It's called bringing it
full circle.

Speaker 5 (02:13:47):
All right, So tell us about her.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
Dean and Cherry, your favorite, Clark and Lewis, Erica number two,
that's what your thoughts? Where Tom and Erica?

Speaker 6 (02:14:01):
Tom and Erica are They're up there?

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
Okay, thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:07):
But on the scale, it's because like like like you know,
Dean and Dean and Terry are yours, but like I
love Terry right more, more more so than I know.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
So it's the pair, that's the thing. It's I you're
doing your question. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (02:14:29):
Okay, it's tough.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
I think I think to me, they're both, they're the
one and two, they're the am B. So what about Kevi?
You haven't seen enough Lowis and Clark.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
Clark for me to say. So it's probably just Tom and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
I really like you guys know where I was with
these two for years, and I mean I could say
they're probably my favorite. Lewis and Clark is a couple
because Tom's my number two. Erica is like could be one,
two or three in a giving days. But I mean
that's that's.

Speaker 6 (02:14:54):
I don't know. Our new friend Tyler is high up
there as well.

Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
Bring a full circle there is. Yeah, it's a fan
of magic.

Speaker 2 (02:15:02):
Yes, of magic, Tyler.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
Tyler is hanging on to that fourth spot of my
mount rush more Superman. But all that to say, this
gives us the Superman status quo that this show wasn't
really leaking towards up until recently. But there it is,
the future at seven years. The reason they skip ahead
is to have lex I guess be old enough to
win the presidency, also for Chloe's kid to be old

(02:15:25):
enough to be read to like sure, I remember when
we passed that day like in twenty eighteen, like, oh no,
we're living in uncharted territory right now. And then the
crisis happened, which is like a year and a half
after this, not the end, but they're going to get married.
That talk about being at work on your safe situation.

(02:15:48):
Perry White. You know what I love about Ling Smith's
Perry White, Matt. I love many things about him, but
I'm always telling him to take the day off. Yea, hell,
don't you dig the rest of the week off Monday?
But someone tell Perry White there's a bomb in an
Elli that are uptown that's terrible. And Clark and Lewis

(02:16:14):
have annoying look and he says, just tell the minister,
I'm gonna be a few minutes late. And they and
I've said this many many times, I'll say the exact
same way again. Instead of Mark Snow reorchestrating the Superman
themes like he did in season two, they put the
soundtrack for Superman Movie in the CD player and they
just put it in and they hit play. And that's
lazy to me.

Speaker 5 (02:16:34):
I think it's a John Williams thing, though, isn't it,
where like he like there's only a certain uh set
of circumstances where he'll let you like reoronstrate his stuff. Yeah,
like re record it, and a lot of it has
to be like, well that's the way I did it,
so you can have that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
Well. I was just I was so excited because the
John Ottman soundtrack Superman Turns is perfection gorgeous, and I'm like,
let's get our small little stamp of that. But it
was like, oh, it's the track, and I love it.
Don't get me wrong, I love this music, but it's
just like it felt like a tim track more so
than like before the scene. Now, I love it. I
love it. It's here. It is the Superman theme. It's

(02:17:13):
transcending more than just the Chris Ree movies. Now we
cut to the roof, to the roof and Tom Welling
slowly opens the door, takes a step, he takes a
step with another foot and slowly takes off his glasses

(02:17:34):
and they're really stretching this out. And he runs towards
the camera and he rips over his shirt and he
wears exactly what I'm wearing right now, basically, and the
Superman returned s, which has been glued to some blue
T shirt is on and then it does the Superman
movie effect really where the s comes out into the screen.

(02:17:58):
That's the end of the show. And there it and
it's the most iconic image in the history of the show.
Where's funk Co Pops? There was a time when you
if you googled Smallville, that's the image. I'm like hashtag
spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:18:10):
I feel like now is still the time. I feel
like this is the the like intellible takeaway from the show.
Almost like the suit was important.

Speaker 6 (02:18:17):
Yeah, almost.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
The suit is on the cover of the blueberray box set.
Oh yeah, that insane, but there it is, you know what.
I have come around and around and around on this
because at the time, like, there it is, and then
you stop and you think for a minute, You're like, oh,
that was it. Yeah, because we've seen shirt rips before, right,
it wasn't new, right, So it's like, had this been

(02:18:41):
And I've said this again, I'm repeating myself and I'm
sorry all I've said this so many times. But it's
like if the show in intot season seven, you're like,
all right, season five are like that was amazing. Season ten,
we've gone past this, yes, like we've seen him. We
saved Air Force one already. Yeah, speaking of Tyler Heckley,
No One, the best final scene of this would have
been Hecklin's first see a Superman. Oh sorry, all those

(02:19:02):
space playing Oh my god, and then oh it takes off?
Yeahah yeah, yeah, that was I'm like when I saw that,
I was like, that should have been the final scene
of small Mill, right, and that's we just needed a
little bit more. Look how many times of ivy ware
I've rewatched the Lex and Clark scene and this final
scene a hundred times each on YouTube over the years. Right,
So it's it's constructed in a way to like put

(02:19:24):
a cap on the show and say Superman's arrived, and
I get that, and we can't go on that journey.
I've maybe come around to Tom's explanation, you know, because
I was on again shout out to Anthonys. I was
on his digging for Kryptonite specials about Smallville, and you
know what, when he became Superman, that's the that's the
emotional cristndo. Right. Sure, But there's all this other stuff
around it which makes it complicated. So I wish I

(02:19:44):
couldsider and say, you know what, they nailed it. They
nailed it. I loved it, paid off ten years time
well spent. Now it was time well spent. I've spent
time and time and way too much time past then
spending it. But I've become friends with you guys because
of it, and all these things. So it's not about
the destination, it's about the journey, and the journey was fun.
And there we are final thoughts on this roof scene.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
Out of context, it's fine, but with context it's a
little disappointing.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
We can't end there.

Speaker 5 (02:20:15):
Yes, no, that's but I agree with you, like.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
I thought you summed it up very well. Yeah it is. Again,
at the end of season five, we would have been like,
oh my god, he's gonna be Superman.

Speaker 5 (02:20:28):
Now, but we've gone too far and we've done too
much in this episode, which is also done too little.
It's a very strange place to be.

Speaker 2 (02:20:37):
We were just.

Speaker 6 (02:20:37):
Left wanting, yes, you know, that's that's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:20:40):
That's the thing at the end of the day with it,
I guess yeah, no, wrap it in a boat, because yeah,
I don't want to that depressing after this entire podcast.
It's disappointing because we the four of us effing loved
this show for this, like, we love this show so much.
It has literally brought us all together. We love this show.
We we we would have liked it to end a

(02:21:01):
different way than it did. Yeah, yep, that's that's so. Yeah,
it's not like like the show's not ruined. You know,
Smallville's not the worst show, you know, but man, uh,
ten years you would just really have liked to see
a little bit more than just that.

Speaker 5 (02:21:16):
You know what, maybe we'll like it another way around.
Should we start over? Yeah, yeah, let's start it.

Speaker 6 (02:21:22):
Let's start it over from episode one.

Speaker 5 (02:21:23):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (02:21:24):
Don't think I haven't thought about it. Future Zach here again.
This concludes our episode by episode covers of Smallville. But

(02:21:45):
there are books, there are comics, other projects, plenty of
things to talk about in the world of Smallville and
Superman in the days ahead. You know, I was pretty
rough on the small ol series finale in our podcast
coverage here, But if you listening to me over the
last few years, are you surprised. I was disappointed then,
I was disappointed now. But I had a great time

(02:22:07):
talking about it with my friends, and a great time
doing this podcast. And if we've learned anything from Smallville,
it's that it's not about the destination, it's about the journey.
And you know, so much of the fun of having
the rotating guest hosts here on always loaned to Smallville
is all the different perspectives and points of view. And
you know what a lot of our previous guest hosts
love this finale, and I love that they loved it,

(02:22:29):
and I love that that was represented in our finale
podcast here, because I don't want to end on it downer.
If you were hoping that I would turn around and
embrace the finale and love it as one of my
favorite episodes, I'm sorry, but I hope a lot of
our previous guest hosts who did love the finale did
that for you. So one journey has ended and a

(02:22:49):
new journey is about to begin. What is that new journey? Well,
to be honest with y'all, I haven't quite decided yet,
but Always Loan to Smallville will continue. Like I've said,
there are both, there are comics, there are interviews to
be had. There's plenty of potential for future podcasts on
Always Long Smallville, Smallville, the animated series Anyone. There will

(02:23:10):
be more podcasting the juries in the future. A lot
of the same voices you hear will stay with us.
The Patreon will continue, so please continue to support us
over there as well, and we will keep striving to
deliver you great content on a regular basis. Signing off here,
I'm Zach Moore, and I want to thank you all
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Speaker 1 (02:27:25):
Finale got a nine point two and Good Trumble a
five out of five. We went over those stats last time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
Yeah, that's crazy how little we had in twenty eleven
to compare that. Yeah, he's like, this is the best moves.

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
Don't worry Wonder Woman's coming out next year on NBC's.

Speaker 1 (02:27:43):
Yeah, So on the letter grade scale, Matt, I ask you,
what would you give finale Part two?

Speaker 2 (02:27:53):
Part two?

Speaker 5 (02:27:56):
Breaking them up really did help. I guess a B minus.

Speaker 2 (02:28:00):
Keev not to just copy exactly what Matt said, but yeah,
it's it's it's a it's it's a B minus. It's
better than part one. It had a lot of the
things that we loved about Smallville, and unfortunately a couple
of things here kind of keep it from being a
great finale. It was just, uh, the better part of
a average finale.

Speaker 4 (02:28:20):
Yeah, this is this has B minus energy written all
over it. And then the fact that this being a
B minus and then what we gave Part one being
U a C like on on average, like the finale
is a C plus, right, so like as a whole,
So yeah, this is a B minus.

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
You know what, I'm gonna go C plus. Okay, I
feel better giving a C plus because you all gave
B minuses.

Speaker 9 (02:28:44):
Sorry hate small Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1 (02:28:48):
The big picture, you know, they missed so much of
the big picture. What do we want to see Tomlin
a Superman costume?

Speaker 2 (02:28:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:28:56):
What do we not want to see Alex. I think
it is mind race because his entire emotional character journey
has been nullified, and those are I can't get past
those things.

Speaker 2 (02:29:06):
Oliver lean supposed to be a black Canary.

Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
I mean, yeah, there it is. I just can't give
past those major elements. Right to give it higher than
sea plus, but I totally get to be minus at
all because there was some Rosemann coming back. Was imagine
if he didn't come back, right, what if that was
would have been insane? Yeah, there we have it, y'all.

(02:29:28):
U C plus for me, be minus fro lands By
minus for Kevina B minus for Matt to pass because
the scene where Lois knocks out out of the reporter
dicker spot and her force one obviously her feminism. Let's
go to our final series tally board with all of

(02:29:49):
the categories in the final numbers.

Speaker 2 (02:29:50):
Let's right here.

Speaker 1 (02:29:52):
From Metropolis seventeen Amazing technical or Kryptonite twenty four, amnesia
count plus one because Lex lost all his memories eighty.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
Four hilarious four.

Speaker 1 (02:30:07):
The brain damage, Blue Shirt, red Jacket eighty nine, Okay,
Chloe's Unseen Connections twenty nine Clark Loses his Powers nineteen
episode titles that episode ninety four hospital visits one fifty three.

Speaker 11 (02:30:22):
Yeah in mediau res nine hilarious injection count fifty seven,
kin trut accidents.

Speaker 1 (02:30:33):
My favorite ten who pretty good? Lance predicted fifty on
that sure did kaos to keep Clark's secret? Sixty one
kaos to keep Oliver's secret? Four Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:30:46):
Secrets out.

Speaker 1 (02:30:48):
Lona kills seven.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
Yeah, one for each day of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
One for each full season she was on the show
Justice for a Lona Kills that. I had a lot
of fun poking for that over the years. It's all
good fun, Matt yep, all from a place of love.
Let's do the time warp again. Thirteen instances of time
travel thirteen Lois arm punches ten. I they were like
into that for a while, and I think it just
fills it out. Yea, yeah, got less sistory, Yeah yeah.

(02:31:16):
Lois's costume closet twenty four. Main character deathks twenty eight
plus two for this episode for Lionel, I'm counting him
again and tests and that brings us to twenty eight.
My control count twenty eight monogram jacket ten. So we
got a push on the overunder of ten. Why did
you introduce a new costume word in less than half

(02:31:36):
of episodes. The world may Never know movie plotz an
episode twenty six less than I might have thought, but
still a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:31:45):
Yeah, not the.

Speaker 1 (02:31:46):
Last one of Krypton twelve with an asterisk because there's
a lot of Kryptonians and the Phantom zone we see
we don't know. Ultimately we went on twelve and that's
like Kryptonians that we know and saw and weren't cralones,
but crypt solid great. Yeah, possession count plus one dark
Side Possessed Lionel. That brings us to thirty three less

(02:32:08):
than I thought. Actually, yeah, product places from Pete thirty seven. Wow,
less than I thought too. You know that there's some
categories in here that are not exact, so it is
what it is exact number Queen Airways nine, I think
all those are in season eight. I think hirtle was
Oliver eighteen. Money's worth out of Justin Harley shower count

(02:32:29):
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:32:30):
Yeah, well these categories are making the money.

Speaker 1 (02:32:32):
Shut it down eleven, that's the talent. I think I
counted it blowing up and shut it down as well.
Shut that laptop thirty five. Go to move for this show.
Smallville High School faculty deaths five more than one for
each year they were in high school. So that's something
that's Smallville High school student deaths seventeen. Wow, under the

(02:32:56):
influence fifty four. Heck, yeah, you know. I counted all
of influenced before that last episode, so that all tracks
there one influenca Wondering wakes up tight up and like
Suther wakes up tight up. It was an eleven? Was
he tied up in this episode? Now we're not counting it?
Weddings seven and finally you Weren't Yourself thirty nine and

(02:33:19):
that is a series wrap for the series. Sally Board incredible.
This feels like a good time, yes for the rest
of us to hijack the show for a second. Lance
did a beautiful job of putting together a bunch of
feedback from the listeners and whatnot, But we wanted to

(02:33:40):
get you a little something to commemorate the end of
the show.

Speaker 5 (02:33:43):
Hold this, so this is a whole thing with a
little card.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
Do you have to run a black bag with the
silver Superman s you draw this yourself? I did, which
is a little lopsong, beautiful Batman Carderman, like the prop
director from Smallville wrote this Zach. We thought, after all
you've done in Smallville, you deserve to leave a mark

(02:34:08):
in Metropolis too, with gratitude, friendship, love, and separately recorded
audio files your Core three, keV, Matt and Lance and
yes we have a group chat called the Core four
for the put that out into the world. No, we
are not accepting your memories, Sarah. This will be good

(02:34:28):
audio for the mic.

Speaker 2 (02:34:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:34:30):
Yeah, so I hope you know what this is. Oh,
so that is the commemorative small version of a brick
for you that is being laid in Metropolis, Illinois and.

Speaker 1 (02:34:45):
The Superman statue.

Speaker 5 (02:34:46):
Yes, all throughout Metropolis, Illinois, they've got they've got bricks
that that fans of Superman that have have bought and
you know, done there whatever for over the year. But
now there will be a brick that says, always hold
on to Small Villa hosted by Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:35:03):
I appreciate that, y'all much. This is a I mean,
the podcast will last forever obviously on the internet, but uh,
this is great to have this permanence and like physical
break and I have this mini version here and I
guess we all got to go to Metropolis. Oh, this
is great. I really appreciate this, y'all. This is nice.

Speaker 5 (02:35:24):
I figured it was a good way to end the show.
Absolutely and cement there it is your influence. You sound
in the Superman fandom.

Speaker 1 (02:35:34):
Look at that. Look at that pro tip right there.
What a podcaster. Well no, thank you guys so much.
You know, we could go all night talk we have already. Yeah,
but no, thank you guys so much for your friendship
over the years for this, and I look forward to
continuing to be friends even though we don't have any
more small episodes to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:35:52):
What are we going to do now? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:35:54):
I'm kind of done. Well. I mean, let's just tease
what you eyes do before we sign off here. Yeah,
so I got it.

Speaker 5 (02:36:04):
Before we do that, though, I gotta say a dumb
email to you, a random podcast or I found on
the internet has given me so much joy daily for
the past many, many years, and I hate to heap
more praise onto you, so instead I will just say

(02:36:26):
thank you to use Zach for doing this, and to
everybody at this table, and to everyone that we've interacted
with and whatnot over the years. It has been such
a ride and so fun to watch from the sidelines,
and sometimes you know, on the field with you guys.
So love you guys, and yeah, thanks for having me along.

Speaker 1 (02:36:48):
Love you too, Man, appreciate it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:36:52):
There's my turn now, because Lance.

Speaker 6 (02:36:55):
Should go last.

Speaker 2 (02:36:56):
Yeah, Lance should go last. No, Zach, I'll try to
keep it short and sweep, because we all know that
I'm really good at being quick. No man, I am
sitting here a couple of glasses of wine in in Hollywood,
recording a podcast with you guys. A few years ago,
I would have never imagined, even leaving my hometown, I
would have never imagine having friends like this, genuine friends

(02:37:19):
at all. I know I seem like a person has
a lot of friends I did not. I appreciate you.
I appreciate the way you've taken in me and my
wife and how you care about my kids. You are
the first friend that bought my kid anything, and that
means a lot to me. This podcast has made me
find a home with people. As Matt perfectly said, that

(02:37:43):
Daily Chat has literally saved me. Don't realize that. So
I just wanted to thank you guys for that. I
love you guys, and I'm looking forward to whatever we
do next. Because it doesn't have to be a podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:37:55):
It can just be.

Speaker 2 (02:37:58):
Doing just I don't, I don't, I don't care. I'm
just glad that I'm a part of it with you guys.
So I appreciate you guys very much. Zach, thank you
for creating this podcast. I know you had no idea
what it would create or what it would do for people.
And you've heard an hour long video of people telling
you how much it means to you. So yes, this
little silly project that you started has really affected people

(02:38:18):
in a positive way. So yeah, small things like this
matter big to a lot of people. So I appreciate it.
We're gonna always on a smallville. And uh, I'm excited
to to continue this friendship to you guys and become
older men podcasters. Absolutely cheers, cheers, best speech.

Speaker 6 (02:38:44):
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time, man.

Speaker 2 (02:38:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:38:51):
The funny thing is, like I remember when you were
first you know, going to like you were first thinking
about doing this because we had another podcast before this
one in the time before Times, and you were kind
of kicking around the idea. I was like, well, I
want to do my own would like to do my
own thing. And I was like, well, what.

Speaker 2 (02:39:12):
Would you do it on?

Speaker 4 (02:39:13):
And and you were just like, well we'll small.

Speaker 2 (02:39:19):
And I was like, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (02:39:21):
And you know, and I was part of the early brainstoring,
but a lot of it, and and while I am
was a part of you know a lot of it
and do and have done a lot behind the scenes.
A lot of this is just.

Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
You and you have for real made.

Speaker 4 (02:39:37):
A such a milestone like type of accomplishment with all
of this. You've genuinely built up a community and a
and a brand that is excellent, that is high quality,
it is infused with all of what makes you you
and all of what makes you special. And so mostly

(02:40:00):
I'm just proud of you, like you, you started this
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:40:02):
You did it.

Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
You did it with care, you did it with love,
you did it with energy, you did it with passion.
It's just been cool to be a part of it
because I mean I was there at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:40:12):
So and the show in.

Speaker 4 (02:40:15):
Particular, like as as you've heard lots of testimonials of
the show bringing people together and everything, the show is
important to me because.

Speaker 2 (02:40:25):
It brought us together. So I will always hold.

Speaker 4 (02:40:28):
On to that for all, you know, for everything, and
will forever be thankful for the show for that so so.

Speaker 6 (02:40:35):
Thank you, thank you for being you, and thank you
for doing.

Speaker 2 (02:40:37):
All of this.

Speaker 1 (02:40:38):
Thanks. I mean it's true, you know, Lance, and I
mean we knew each other, knew of each other. Yeah,
really started to become closer friends because you started watching
smallvel together. But then as we got to know each
other more, we kind of you shared a lot of
a lot of life together, a lot of real life
stuff that we've related on really couldn't relate to a
lot of other people on, you know. And so it's true,

(02:41:00):
like we like a lot of the same silly stuff,
but a lot of real life stuff we would connect
on as well. And it's the same with you guys,
you know, just getting to know you guys. But because
we all started as like, oh, hello, mister truck or whatever.
And then keV, you know, being a marine, that really
caught my eye about that sort of thing. So no,
you know, this show's in part of my life for
a long time and I've certainly extended its shelf life

(02:41:21):
doing this podcast. And yeah, it's uh no, thank you
guys so much for taking the time to do this.
You know, last night I could have done just the
two of us, I guess, but I wouldn't didn't want
to put this burden on you doing two hundred and
eighteen episodes and stuff, because we're both got busy lives
and it's not just I mean, these recordings go so long,
and you know a lot of it's just catching up
and goofing off or whatever. Because we truly became friends.

(02:41:42):
I do want to say during the during the really
the pandemic really really forged a lot of friendship, talking
every day and having those zoom calls and forming our
group chats and things like that, things that you know,
who knows if we would have came so close without that,
I don't know, because that was really the podcast is
really starting to take off during this started the Patreon.

Speaker 5 (02:42:03):
There, but I don't think we're all on a chat
till yeah, yeah, shortly before all.

Speaker 1 (02:42:07):
Just kind of came together and then we literally talk
the core four here, man, we talk almost right, and
it's great, and we've all just kind of intersected with
each other's lives and you have that some beautiful stuff
you're saying about you and your family, and I'm so
glad that you can be part of our family here
and always saw them too. And Matt you know, just
just finding new excuses to podcasts for new topics on

(02:42:28):
the Patreon and we all just have We're different, but
we're the same, and I love how this has all
brought us together. And then hearing all those messages that
you collected with the Project Beacon, which is a brilliant
name for it, that was really really touching, and you
kind of you lose perspective. You're just like, I'm just
doing a hobby and you turn around and you got
a bunch of friends, and you know, people are telling

(02:42:49):
you that you're the highlight of their week, and I'm like, wow,
I guess you know I than you thought. Huh. I
deal with emotions good and bad with comedy, so it's
hard to be I just I wanted to just communicate
that I'm really sincere about all this to you guys,
and love you guys, and thank you, and thank all

(02:43:10):
the listeners out there for making it something. We would
still do it if nobody listening, but it does help
people are out there.

Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
Zach. You've now finished a rewatch podcast of a ten
seasons of Smallville. What are you gonna do next?

Speaker 1 (02:43:24):
I'm going to Disneyland? All right, Well that's gonna do
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episode coverage. There will be things in the future. Obviously
there's books, comics, new movies, things like that. But until
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