Top 10 Episodes: #10 Lexmas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And this is Michael Rosenbaum Alex Luthor, and you're listening
to Always hold On to Smallville.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast,
we've talked about each and every episode of the Young
Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to
twenty eleven on the WB and the C. I'm our
host Sachmore, and we're back with our next installment in
the top ten episodes. That's right, the top ten episodes
of Smallville as voted by you the listeners. Now we

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are here to talk about the number ten entry Lexmis. Yes,
Smallville did one and a half Christmas episodes and this
is an episode that I missed in first run, so
it didn't hold the special nostalgic place in my heart
that it did for a lot of our listeners. And
we'll see if it hold that same nostalgic place in

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the hearts of a lot of our panels as well.
And again I am joined by Lance Laster from Always
On Onto Aero, Victoria Malay, and in addition to them,
Matt Schrux from Lewis and Clark, the New podcast of Superman,
and many of our podcasts here on the Always Along
two network, and also Matthew broke up and they didn't

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have the chance to read off their top ten lists
like Lance Victoria and I did in the Honorable Mentions episode,
So I will read it off now. Matt Triix is
top ten, is This number ten, x Ray number nine,
Perry number eight, Absolute Justice number seven, Vortex number six,
Infamous number five, Tempest number four, Calling number three, Asylum

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number two, Insurgents, and number one Memoria. Matthew Roke is
top ten in no particular order, so keep that in mind.
He gave me the ten episodes that he said no
particular order, but you know, I think subconsciously his order
might tell us something. So his top ten or This

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number ten, Finale number nine, Justice number eight, Mercy number seven,
Commencement number six, Covenant number five, Shattered number four, Onyx
number three, Pilot number two, Memoria, and number one Lexmis.
So there you have it. Now, this is gonna be
our our standard panel for our top ten episodes discussion.

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Due to scheduling conflicts here and there in availability, we
might have one or two people not being able to
join in the conversation, but the five of us, myself, Lancelaster, Victoria, Malay,
Matt Trux, and Matthew Rocca will be your guides through
these top ten episodes. And something else I thought would
be fun before we jump into our conversation here with

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our panel is look back on what grades we gave
these episodes on the podcast. So if you look back
at Lexmus, that was myself and Cavante Chillis and I
gave lexmiths at A and Cavante gave Lexmis an A. So,
as always, my opinions, your opinions maybe are always in flux. Right,

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Episodes that you didn't care much for didn't really give
a lot of time to when you sit down and
really examine them and talk about them, might really win
you over, or you might find them more disappointed than
you remember. So even though it didn't make my top
ten list, I did it up ranking it high in
our episode coverage. So, without further ado, let's discuss the

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number ten episode of Smallville, Lexmis It's Good to Be
the King on the WB Thursday, The Life Lex No's
disappears in a flash.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Huh my dad, No, this is your life?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
So Lex Luthor the finest man I know.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I've never been happier all.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
This can be yours if you make the right choices.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
What happened?

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Lexmuths a small Ville Christmas?

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Followed by Everwood on the WB Thursday.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
We're talking about Lexmis. Lexmis is not on my top
ten list? Lance, Is Lexmis on your top ten list?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
It was not?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, Victoria, is Lexmus on your top ten list?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's a note for me, dog Matt Truix.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Is Lexmis on your top ten list?

Speaker 5 (05:00):
No, it was not.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Broca, is it on your top Apparently.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
I'm the only one, and I was all excited. I
was like, this is a lot everyone's top ten every
loves Lexsmith.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm also looking at my list right now and realizing
I might have been in a certain state of mind.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
There are a lot of topics that are very interesting
I think that are worth discussing, like the existence of
Santa Claus and the small of the universe. Apparently that's
canon Santa exists.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
That's interesting that I have a lot to say about that. Yeah,
I'm in favor. Okay, cool, let's go.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
So Lexmith, it's not on my list? This is actually one.
I don't know if the VCR messed up that night
Lance and I were living in college together in the dorms.
I don't think I recorded this one. Maybe I was
out doing something. I didn't see it until they came
out on DVD.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Are you like Home for Christmas?

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
You know that might have been it. That is an
excellent point, Matt, But I didn't see this one until
they came out on DVD. I saw all the stuff online, like, look,
it's Cooly with long hair, and Clark with a scarf
and Jonathan with glasses and lot is pregnant. I'm like, okay,
what is this?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Those are my key takeaways from the episode as well.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Jonathan's hair as well. Jonathan's hair looks like bo Duke era.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
He looks incredible, Yes, season five. John Schneider on point,
all right, Yeah, maybe that's why this one never really
stuck with me. But it's one of those And being
a big Star Trek fan, I kind of thought about
this as well. If you look at like everybody started
Star Trek episodes, there are always these alternate universe time
travel kind of what if stuff, stuff you don't get
to see in the show proper. And I think that's

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why a lot of people gravitate towards this, because it's
like oh Man, and that these cool what ifs, and
that happens a lot in Small Phille. As we all
know these cool wedding scenarios that wouldn't happen normally on
the show, Lex and Clark are still friends in the future.
Everybody seems pretty happy, I mean up until you know
some strategy happens. They had a good seven year run,
so I think that's why people really like it. And

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also it is a big step on Lex's journey to
the dark side. So Lance, what are your thoughts in
brief about lexmis.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well, I do love the episode. It was not on
my list, but it was an honorable mention, so I
gave it some credit. But I think you're kind of
missing the bigger issue with the episode, and it's it's
a Christmas episode. Everybody loves Christmas specials, so and especially me,
I'm a sucker for Christmas specials of any kind. So
that's why I was really really digging in this episode.
You got to see a different side of Lex. You

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get to see his intermost desire, and you could see
his innermost desire is to be happy. It's not like
the other stuff that he ends up doing, which and
that's again, that makes him so tragic in this show,
is like, you see what he actually wants, what he
actually what would actually fulfill him is a family that
loves him and his friends that love him and surrounded
by love in his life. That's all he wants. And

(07:47):
then it's just so tracticed to see that that's a
not what he gets and be what he chooses to
not want anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Great Victoria, what do you think about Lexmis Why is
it one of your favorite episodes or is.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It it's it's not. I'm just gonna be real with y'all.
I detest Lexana.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yes, even fantasy Lexana.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Fantasy Lexana, and I'm going to tell you why, and
I'm going to bring down the mood for a minute.
But I had a major death of my family on
Christmas Eve, so I like, I can kind of relate.
So it was kind of like, oh, because I hadn't
seen the episode since I watched it in like two
thousand and five, I did watch this one, Zach. You
might have missed it, but I remember watching it and

(08:29):
being like.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
What is going on?

Speaker 5 (08:31):
But it was really.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Interesting revisiting it and being able to empathize with lex
in a different way, because like if it's like I
could put myself in the what if, like if I
was able, and it made me feel for him, like yeah,
if I'd known that I was going to lose someone
like this, And at tragerway on Christmas Eve, I really
understood his choice of being like, uh no, if fat,

(08:53):
I'm not going to make these choices, mom, angel, and.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm going to go back and do that.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
It was.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
It's so interesting though, because as much as I detest Lexana.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I wanted more of it.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
I really did not enjoy the Clark schmaltziness of the
Santa of it all, and like as much like I
don't know if you guys have gleaned from my episodes
on always hold on to Smallville proper, but I love
like either like taking clothes off of Tomwelling or putting
him in outfits. So as much as TIME love Tom

(09:26):
Welling and like a Christmas look, I just I didn't
like the whole Santa Claus plot.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I thought it was cute that they had him like.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Delivering presents and he could do that because of his powers,
but I think the whole like magical. I think there
was just too much like magical realism going on with
like the It's a Wonderful lifeness with lex and then
like the Santa's Reel with Clark, and I just wish
there was honestly more lex And I thought it was
a great episode, especially for John Glover as well as Lionel,
but it's not one of my favorites, and it wasn't

(09:55):
one of my favorites regardless of my own personal stuff.
I think because I really did not like lex On
on the show, and then revisiting it, I was like, well,
if you guys are going to do this, like do
it full out.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
And I don't feel like the episode did it full out.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Those are some great points of Victoria. I think there's
too much going on magically, like you have ghost Mom
who can showlex the future, and also Santa Claus I can't.
It's like the Twilight Zone rules, just like the unwritten
rule of Twilight Zone was like you can have one weird.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Second, yeah, or make Santa a meteor freak, okay, operate
within the structure of the show that you have had
for five seasons.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
I'm just picturing sat, the drunken Santa Claus being doing
one of the meteor freak you don't know what it's
like to grow up.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
I would kind of love that, though, I would kind
of love that.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
These green rocks. I was living in the North Pole,
all right, and these green rocks came down from the
sky and destroyed my home.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Guys, No, but it tracks, it tracks the Fortresses Solitude.
I don't know fortress the Solitude was meant to be.
I will be writing fanfic, yes, But.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's like the Twilight Zone rules of weirdness where it's like, Okay,
you can do time travel, but you can't do aliens
and time travel, or you can't do like ghosts and
time travel. You do ghosts, right, So that's that was
That's like the issue with this one, not not that
it like because they were completely separate from each other,
like the fact that sand Exists had nothing to do
with with Mama Lionel Mama, what's Lily and Luther? Yeah,
and then and the Daughter Lily like comics.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
No, nothing has anything to do with anything. It's just
all here.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
So those are all those are all great points for story.
So so so Trux, You're you're next up. What are
your thoughts on Lexmus and why do you hate it.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, I love this episode. I always like seeing them
play different sides of these characters. So just the idea
of like super happy, like actually genuine lex for a whole,
like he's got no pretense on him. He is just
a normal dude, and it's so nice to just kind
of see that. For a second, I was all kind
of thinking, like, you know, you do the plots of

(12:02):
an episode. I was like, is this it's a wonderful life?
I guess it kind of is.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Kind of that. And also Christmas Carol too.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
That totally, but also there's a bit of like for
the man who has everything in here too, and just
kind of the way that the fantasy lays out. Obviously
it's very different mechanis is't.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
But also that movie that I didn't see but I
know of a Nicholas Cage called The Family Man, Well
he wakes.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Up family many Like, oh no, it is.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
It's like I think Nicholas Cage is like a high
powered businessman and he wakes up and he's like a
suburban dad, which is also this episode.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Okay, not to be confused with the weather Man with
Nicholas Cage was also came in around the same time.
Very confusing. But yes, this is clearly movie plot. Is
an episode, I can all agree, but it's it's the
shades of everything. That's four movie plots.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
It's that. And and to defend their choices for a second,
like if we're taking the magical realism for granted here,
I like the idea of these two American or at
least like heavily americanized icons kind of existing together. Like
for me, that's just like almost the old guy in
town scoping out the new talent, you know, like just

(13:05):
Santus shopping by before he's Superman. If we're looking at
it in like that weird Grant Morrison level of meta
text reality, I kind of like the idea.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
So, roka, this is on your top ten list, man,
So representpresentator, tell us why it deserves a spot on
the top ten list.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
All right, all right, all right, so lexmis For me,
it was so interesting and different to see Lex at
his most human really, and especially at that point in
the show I thought was really interesting, like the placement
of that, because if it was like season one or
season two, it maybe wouldn't have been as fascinating or
tragic because we already knew Lex is just like this

(13:43):
great guy in those seasons. But when it came to
season five and we had seen him torture Aquaman and like,
you know, and do all this other crazy up here
on the Shark, I guess, oh, I was quoting that
for weeks.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
In what way.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
I would go up to people I don't know what
I was talking about in high school and I'd be like,
he may be a big fish in the water, but
up here, I'm sure my best friend back to he'd
be like, is that another Lex quote?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I'd be like, oh God, this makes me sad. I
wish I had more small vel friends growing up.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
I was.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I would have been there for you.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
I know, if we knew each other in high school,
we'd all be quoting this together. But yeah, so no,
it was To me it was a great episode because
it was really fun and interesting to see, uh Lex
where he was at that point that's sort of like
in between transition point where he was almost a villain
but he wasn't quite there yet, And he was in
that spot where he almost could go back to being

(14:45):
good guy Lex, but he couldn't quite get there. And
to me, like it presented a lot of philosophical sort
of interesting issues that that idea of power versus living
a happy family life, And to me, I always had
this theory of it. But I don't know if anyone
else thought this or not, but I always had this
kind of weird theory that the two could coexist. But

(15:05):
maybe because Lex is Lex and he's got Lionel as
a dad, Like, if he goes down the power path, like,
he can't do it in a good, normal way, so
it has to be really messed up the way he
goes about it. But if his lesson in the end
of the episode was, hey, maybe I should hold onto
my power and money but use it for only good

(15:27):
and then maybe I can have both, then maybe that
could have been like a normal person lesson. But he's Lex,
so he doesn't get a normal person lesson out of it.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
A that's like the tragedy of the series for him,
is it? You know, just the idea that he's always got.
There's that dangling carrot of like I could be a
good man. He could, he could not choose this path
of super villainy at any point. But we just key
and make mistake and mistake and mistake and mistake. I'm
so glad we got into this so quick. But yeah,
that it was just it's heartbreaking at the end because

(15:57):
you know that he couldn't have that way.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Yeah, but then it's also just like the tragedy of
the show and the premise of the show. And I
know some people say that the show went on too long,
but it was nice to have that time to explore
Lex's journey in downward spiral because I think if this
was just a guy named Alexander Luthor, he would have
chosen like the right thing to do maybe, or he
would have done that like halfway decision. But he's Lex Luthor,

(16:21):
and we like part of Smallville is we all know
how the story ends, which again just makes the more
episode more compelling and more heart wrenching to watch.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I think with Lex, he is a man of extremes,
so he totally he could not have gone either way.
But when he's presented with his choice of Okay, I
can do the right thing and have happiness for like
seven years, or I could do what I was going
to do anyway, hold on to my money in power
and then figure it out when that happens. I think,

(16:51):
I don't know, I probably would have done that because
it's like, Okay, if I have the money in power,
then I can solve this. We'll figure that when we
get there. So that I'm not saying I would do
that slammed, but I understand the reasoning. It's like, Okay,
but he just couldn't like your guys are saying, he
just couldn't stay true.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Also because I think he gives a really good reason
to what he's talking to Lillian, where it's not just
like the future of it all.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
He also brings up this past. He's like, everyone I
love has died and this is gonna happen to me.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Yeah, and that's not to say, because I'm living it
right now that you can't find happiness after you lose
a loved one, but like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
And I was like, oh, that is kind of a
good point. Like I do kind of see where you're
coming from with this.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, it feeds to the good guy's side of him
and the makelamonoacle like I have to control every part
of my life side of him too.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Yeah, it's it's really Yeah, it really does play off
of both. And yeah, and also Victoria, what you're saying
is kind of why I think the episode works. So well,
and it's in such a self contained way. And even
though it was cool, like later on when they confirmed
that it was real, I think it, I know, works
in a way. I mean that's a whole other discussion,
but like I think it kind of works better as

(18:04):
like maybe it's an ambiguous vision because it's his psychology
kind of way, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's all like a dream.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Oh yeah, it's definitely ambitious and just the whole thought
of like you know, Lex literally gets paradise for a day,
it's just so sad, like the choices he makes after that,
you know, it's it's you know, it kind of reminds
me of Buffy, Like you know, when Buffy dies, he
goes to heaven and then she gets yanked back. You
feel for somebody like that, it's like, how do you
recover when you've from from from an experience like that?

(18:34):
And with Lex, we see him just do the complete
opposite of what it would be like to be in that,
in that state of mind, in that paradise. To everybody's point,
it's like we know the endgame already because his name
is Lex Luthor and so even though it is tragic,
it makes sense that he chooses the Lex Luthor path
as opposed to the Alexander family.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Man Luthor plan to see like the happiest you could
ever be and then have it all ripped away is
a terrible, terrible feeling. And then and then you're chasing it.
You're just chasing it for pretty much the rest of
your life, trying to recapture it, trying to micromanage everything.
It's kind of like, this is I just thought about
this now. It's like fifty first dates right with Adam
Sandler trying to yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
At the end every time, But he's ignoring the key
part of the vision, like Lilian's key message to him,
or and what Lana says to him is just like
after you got shot, that was like the best thing
that happened to you because that was the moment that
you did this. So just fundamentally, he's ignoring the fact
that no, like today was the day I was supposed

(19:36):
to change, not today, it was the day I was
supposed to do the same thing I was gonna do
in that alley if I didn't get a bullet.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, Clark has the same problem in season five. He's
like he gets the choice to repeat the day when
Lana gets killed and then his dad gets killed instead.
So I mean, like again, I would do this, like,
and I mean, you're in the moment, you're gonna make
stupid decisions. You're like, Okay, well I know if I
do this, that's gonna happen. So I'm gonna not do that.
I'm gonna do the opposite of that and then figure
it out later. So it is tragic, and it's a

(20:02):
lot more tragic for Lex obviously. Uh then then, well,
actually it's equally tragic for Lex and Clark when they
both have that.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, well it's equally tragic for both of them because
they are the mirrors of each other with.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
This episode, Like they're older and they're like, I'm so
glad that you got with Lana, Lex and that we
could both stay good friends.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, oh oh, how the hell did that happen?

Speaker 7 (20:22):
I feel like the writers were asking themselves that though.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Can I just say like and just like, if we're
making a joke, no one will get mad at us.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Well.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
The awkward The awkward thing about that though, is like
at the end, he's like, I love you, Lana. I
probably tell you that all the time. I don't know,
but I love you, like, oh, that's that's that's a
nice moment, right, I probably tell you that all the time.
But then he says I've always loved you. I'm like
creepy creek, creep great be now it's bad again.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Did anybody else have the trading cards for the show
and something? Okay, well, no.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I feel like I'm not a real small though fan.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Now oh no, please don't like I didn't. I never
knew what to do with trading cards. My mom kept
buying them for me, which I'm complaining because my mother
loved me.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Where were these? And what did you like? A combook store?
Because I hadn't. I haven't seen these?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, yeah, like my mom must have found a site.
When I was a kid, like every Christmas I would
get the last season's backs of cards or whatever. But
they were there were cards that were like the love
or like the couples, the love interests. In season one,
there is a Lana and Lex card and I remember
as a kid going like, that's weird that this would

(21:34):
be a card, And then like six years later, it's
like the cards knew Oh my god, yeah they knew.
It blew my mind.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
It's literally in this statutory rape. How stef exactly.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Exactly if this existed, If this show existed at this
time with everything happening, do you think that all that
stuff would be way more creepytal. No. But I just
want to say I hate. I want to agree with
Victoria on something, but defend it. In this case for Lexmus,

(22:08):
so I agree with Victoria, I hate. I hate Lexana
in season six. At the time when season six happened,
I really was super bored with that arc. And and
that's a lot for me because, like you know, growing
up with Smallville, like saying I was bored with something
was like blasphemous, So like I was. But I was

(22:28):
very bored with the arc of Lexana, and then I
started to like it as it turned into the whole,
like realizing how duplicitous and fed up Lex is, like
what he's doing to then I was like, Okay, that's
the lex Luthor of the comics, that's where it's going.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
But in the case of Lexmith, I just I agree
with you. It would be cool to see even more
of it. But I really liked it in Lexmis because
because it was to me, it felt like the most
genuine that you see Michael Rosenbaum with an actress, and
I mean romantically and the most genuine see Christian romantic,

(23:03):
even though of course you know we all love probably
Klada from season one or whatever, but like just the
two of him felt like a really like genuine.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I like the season one distinction, very good match one.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Oh god, but Rock I totally get you well, because
it's in this one. It's a different Lex. It's literally
a different.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Lex, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
And Lana feels like she's on drugs the whole time,
like she.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Is just happiest pregnant woman I've ever.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Right, she listens to all these stories and like, honey,
you tell me every year you'd listen to that whole
thing with a smile, not an eye roll. Like, this
is weird.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's interesting to hear of my take on this, I Lex.
It's weird because he's always kind of had a thing
for Lona on certain levels, you know, even back in
like Nicodemus in season one it was some kind of
like she was coming on to him and that. But
in the Whipped Cream Mom and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
To be fair on Lex, who winn't at that episode though?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
But well, I mean she was fifteen and he was
like twenty two or something. So yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
He always feels older than he I mean all they
all do. But yeah, the way they play his character.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Were supposed to be five or six years older than Clark,
so he's like twenty he's like twenty one, twenty two
d and the Rose of Mom is like, you know,
ten years older than that. But so it was willing, right,
but the Lexana thing really didn't start properly until after this,
And it's kind of like one of those things where
like he kind of got it in his head from this,
you know, like, oh, that was a great fantasy life

(24:41):
I love with Lona. Let me pursue that in the
real world.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Yeah, And it's it's interesting because, like you're right, it's
like they kind of like really ramped it up after this,
but before even before this though, there's all these hints throughout,
like you know, the first four seasons and especially you
know in season four during Onyx. However, if they were
ever gonna do Lexana, it should have it's been a
one off and it should have just been this like
and like an else world's thing. They should have never

(25:04):
put it in the show proper, like if this is
the if this was the first, yeah, if this was
the first instance of it, they would have been actually shocking.
It would have been like, oh neat, and then we
would have never seen it again and we wouldn't have
cringe worthy you know, scenes to watch for you know,
years to come after this.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Seeing this episode after Elseworlds have really reminded me of
Steven mil waking up as Barry Allen. You know, he's
with Iris and it's really awkward, and that reminded me
of Rosenbaum here with the line he's like Lana, Dad,
what's going on?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
He like kisses head He's like whoa you know, So
that kind of reminded me of that. And plus they
have that goofy music like whatever they're doing, like.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Mark Snow is off the charge.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
No, it's it's the it's the Hallmark Channel Christmas movie music.
That's exactly what that is.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
It is.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Also, can we talk about, like we've discussed how like
happy like on Drugs Lana was. That was like also
the best behaved little baby in the world, like the little.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Son He's like dad hours, I'd be like, yeah, kids
sound great. If like that's what they really are. Like,
if that's what that was my experience with the child,
I'd be.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
Like, cool, they seem easy, no wonder, Yeah, even like
Clark has Clark has that line too of like you've
got a great son, and like part of me is like,
that's weird to say.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, let's talk about this for a minute. Lois
is not in this episode. So it's implied, Okay, I
mean it's really it's implied that Clark and Coli together.
They're at the Christmas Tree place together'use I got her
arm around her. They're both working the Daily Planet?

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Do they not say as much? I like watching it.
I always assume that.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
The stuff, but it's it's there because they're going to
shop for Christmas Tree together. Right, they're together and they're
not married or anything. There's no rings or anything like that.
But I thought that was interesting. I want to live
in that universe for Clark and cooling up together.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
But here's here's a fan theory for you. So Clark
got his powers back at the beginning of the season.
What they had exchange for somebody's life, you know, And
so I guess Lois is the one who ended up
dying in this in this future, right, because that had
to be rectified, right, and that's why I.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Ended up four?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Or or did she just shack up with Oliver Queen
because like, is.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
It a butterfly effect thing too?

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Here?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Like Lex Luthor going good just changes anything in the
DC universe around them.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I guess so. Although, and let's talk about reckoning for
a second. Remember Lois like gets electrocuted or something and
Clark saves her upstairs at the Talon. Had that not happened,
then maybe Jonathan wouldn't have died, you know what I'm saying.
So Clark people forget that little moment of Clark saving somebody,
so we'll talk about butterfly flag and all that stuff. Anyway.
The real reason is Eric interaction was only a thirteen
episodes since season four, but it's interesting that she's nowhere

(27:47):
to be found. Also, I really would have liked if
Clark was wearing glasses in the future, but for some reason,
they decided to give those to Jonathan. So that's all
I had to say about that.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
Well, best opportunity, missed opportunity.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
That does go to a theory that it's all on
Lex's head too.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, yeah, Clark. Is he superman?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Is he not?

Speaker 8 (28:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, totally right, because this all could very well just
be like Lex's best guess at the future at this point.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Well, and then the the the other theory is kind
of like like what you said that, Like what if
Le's going good? Like does that change the whole DC universe?
Like if Lex is good, is there? Does Clark become
superman like in Smallville universe or not? Or does he
or is he just Clark Kent doing good stuff?

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Would they do say that he is a reporter at
the Daily Planet? And then, Zach, do you just want
to take a moment about like finally seeing Chloe and
Clark realize I.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Think that way?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's this is the closest
you're ever going to get, like basically like living this
life together. She's publishing a book, He's a reporter. I'm like,
this is the future. This is what's gonna happen, guys
when Lois dies and Chloe takes her name. Okay, this
is all this is all predicting the future. See it's
right here, where's she's gone? You know? So if you know,
if this is if Reddit was around in two thousand
and five. The threads on this would be I mean

(29:00):
they existed on krypton side, That's what it was. Krypton
Side was the Reddit of the time. They were all
on the forums.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh my god, what is the clothes thing?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's like nine hundred pages. I was like, oh my god,
that was a but see episodes like this, like see
it's the Future Worst Lowest together right board.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Anyway, at the time, at the time when it aired,
I remember my theory, but it was totally wrong. But
but I wrote fanfic kind of based around that. But
like the theory was like in my head at the
time was like, oh, maybe what they're implying is like
if Lex didn't go bad, Chloe would still be alive.

(29:45):
And maybe what they're implying is Lex is going to
kill her. That was my theory, you know, And I
was like, oh, but that was what I predicted it. Oh,
maybe she's gonna die. And that's why Lark and lowis.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
My favorite unresolved mystery. The whole show, I kept waiting
for her to die. They just knew at some in
like a good way, and then it would project him forward.
But you know, that's where it felt like they were
going It felt like it was going to be important.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
We've never heard of any Chloe Sullivan and we're from
the thirty first century. Does the Santa plot bring things down?
Was that necessary? Like, I know we're kind of talking
about like all the weirdness aside take out the fact
there's like magical stuff going on on both ends, Like
is the fact that we have to waste time with
Santa Claus?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I hate it?

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yes, yes, I hate it so much. It does slow
the episode down.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
I just feel like they do it they went two
steps too far. First of all, I just think they
should have had Clark delivering presence like having I thought
it was fun that he was being Santa. Also because
I know what it's like to be on like the
low rung at work and like overcompensate to get people
to take you seriously. So when Chloe was like, I doubled,

(30:55):
I got all the presents and now I have six.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Hours to deliver them.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
And also, you know what I freaking loved about this
episode that Chloe actually used Clark for help instead of
Clark just being like Chloe, look this up, Chloe, I
find this, Chloe.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I was like it really is an alternate universe.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
But I just like I thought it was really cute
that he was like delivering the presence. I was like, oh, okay,
that's cute. But then the fact that the Santa of
it all, or even if it was like a drunk guy,
some drunk mal Santa, I was like, I can still
do this.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I can still do this.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
And then when he was actually magic, I was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
That's that's that's where they overstepped. And it was just like,
you know, like a drunk mal Santa who was just
like kind of discouraged at Christmas time and Clark kind
of like inspires him that they were still good in
the world. He just goes on about his day. That
would have been fine, but like they just took it
a step too far by having him actually be Santa
magically like wooshing all the all the stuff away, like

(31:56):
that that was just a step too.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Far, and that they talked about it so much.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
Sorry, and then the fact that they freaking talked about it,
and like was like, I think it really posed Sanna okay.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
And clear yep, I agree that was too much.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
There's an episode of swas On called Night of the meek,
and it's about a mall Santa who's like down. I
was like, he's an alcoholic. He gets his magic bag,
he gets people gifts, and then he becomes Santa at
the end. Uh sort of. So anyway, check it out.
I recommend it. And that's the kind of the vibe
I got from that. But I agree she should have
just been like Superman giving people hope, you know, just
a normal guy. Although it's funny here Santa clausa they
bitch and they bitch and they bitch.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I know.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I like that he was like drunk Santa Claus first,
and then when he shows up with the Daily Planet later,
it's like a little more cleaned up. It felt like,
you know, they were a little more coff Santa.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
He got he got magic sober.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, the magic you know, the magic dirt fell away.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
I always I always get a creepy, creepy vibe from
that from that scene, even though it's like, I know
he's supposed to be saying, but just him visiting Chloe
in the Daily Planet all at night, Yeah, like chuckling
like Lionel like on this Sullivan and I was like, oh,
kind of creepy.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I had a thought now that that scene inspired him,
like you need like a like some kind of serial
killer movie or guys, just like Santa visits people on
Christmas even like vulnerable, Like this is a serial killer
vibe from this guy. So you wanted to be a
meteor free Victoria. This is where this leads. Okay, this
is where this leads.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
It's a perfect setup. Are we are we all of
that same age? Where we or is this just me
as a kid? Did you guys all see that like
Dean Koon's like book with a creepy Santa, like when
like this.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
I don't remember that, but just thinking about this, like
watching a couple of years kringle By directed by Jordan
Peele is gonna come out and it's gonna be this.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Chloe's reaction when Santa shows up though, like she does
like the cute little like Santa the alpha game to
way and then gets to it like why are you here?

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Keeps up?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Now you're just this strange man? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
I'm reaching for my mace and I'm two seconds away from.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
You know, watching bathroom I thought you were gonna see
like her look out the window and then see like
some reindeer or something when it's.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Her jingles or hell, jingle bells or anything. But we
didn't hear any Like, we didn't hear any bells or
like or anything or hoofs. Nothing.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
It was just no fl.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Flight, no tights, the roles of Manna's not exempt, no.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
No one talking about the Christmas party at the end
of the can's the real one? Right? What is Lana wearing?
It's snowy outside and actually, yeah, well the both of them,
but especially reind me of for season four clothes.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Wait, can I can I be like, can I be
thirsty for a second and like offer the female perspective here?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Please?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
So if I was like if that was my boyfriend,
I would be like, oh, I'm so cold, like with
your big strong arm ORMs around me. So I like
totally got that move, like.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Respect fair enough, I understood.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Because I noticed that too.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Was the only one comfortable on set too.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
No, it just reminded me of those season four outfits
she's wearing. She had is this tattoo she doesn't want
anyone to see? Yet she continues to wear these clothes
that show offer tattoos.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
She wants no one right, so let me wear backless
clothes for halving up.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Me and my mom always uh, because you know, we
were We're always the best Small Bill friends, you know.
She she's going to introduce me to the show as
a as a kid growing up, and so we'd always
watch it and we'd always make fun of that and
season a lot of it. Oh you saw my tattoo?
And yeah, you're.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wearing a crop top like.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
You literally just got out of the shower. I saw
the tattoo.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yes, that reminds me, though, She says at the first
scene with her and Clark, she's like, usually just me
and Nell for Christmas, really, because I haven't seen Nell
in like three years.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Off Screenville act off screen.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, say Christmas stuff. Thank you for giving me a
real Christmas. Your aunt raised you. Your parents are dead,
show some respect. We're seninry small when you need them nowhere,
all right, where's Koe's dad? All right? Coe's all her
dad has. And she's like, Oh, I forget it, dad,
I'm working double shift to the Daily Planet. These are
terrible families, and Small Family was bad. Everyone is terrible

(36:13):
other than the kids. Speaking of family, though Lex named
they named their daughter Lily for Lilyana na his son Alexander,
like Alexander Luther the second Like okay, like I thought
you'd get away from those kinds of names, lex but anyway, Yeah,
it was cute to see him mess with like the
chair like that.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
That was a great That was a great moment.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
But then I was also like I was just on
the ride of the fantasy because if I was literally
about to pop and my husband couldn't do the freaking
car seat, I would be like, I'm reevaluating a lot
of decisions.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
But no, it was. It was really perfect.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
That was such a great moment and done by both
of them where he was like, oh no, like I
have to Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
I feel like that was a Michael Rosenbaum like messing
around with the kid behind the scenes luper.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, for sure. I have a
friend of mine like who is terrible with it. He
just refuses to do it, like he has a kid,
but like he refuses to like install it so just
permanently in this car, like just set up like he
hasn't got rid of it. It's just like it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Something else we talk about is Lionel. I was just
gonna say, yeah, so why don't you guys take it
away talk some lionel.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
I think this is some of the coolest line will
ever get. Like this is so like top notch, like
very fairy tale. The way he's shot, but like it
reminded me of like mister Potter and it's a wonderful life.
And the way his hair is kind of slicked back,
it's a little longer. It's just like it's an odd
way to see him, but also very true too. And
just obviously he's as cold as he's ever been in

(37:50):
this scene. I love this line.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
I agree. It was like when you see him in
that moment, it was so like you said, fairy tale esque,
is like way more to the point, he's not playing around.
He's not you know, being like I canted to make
you stronger. How you're either my son, he's just like no,
like nobs, I'm gonna let your wife die boom, like

(38:14):
just so cold, so evil and and and it made
me wonder if this is a true version of events
of how things could go in the future if Lex
had stayed good. Does that mean that like because Lex
and Lioneler are so yin and yang at the opposite
ends of the spectrum all the time. Does that mean
if Lex stayed good, that Lionel would have stayed bad

(38:36):
and that would have been and he maybe wouldn't have
made the transformation into good, perhaps because they always have
to be on opposite end of the spectrum. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I think that's a great point.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
I also think it was just so delicious both in
the quote unquote real world and are in the fantasy
to see Lionel and then John Glover just so perfectly
play grappling in both situations with these life and death stakes,
and like since the stakes are so high, I think
it was just like I don't know why I'm making

(39:08):
it about food, but it was like it was like
this is like a feast for both of them as actors,
and like they like John Glover just always kills it
and like yeah, because you you.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Under like you get kind of where he's got coming from, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:22):
And the Wheel version where he's like operate and he's
like and it's kind of like what Lex is saying.
He's like, I'm just gonna have the resources. So if
this is something like this does happen.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I can fix it.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Like Lionel kind of does that he's like, no, I'm
airlifting my son to like the best hospital, and we're
gonna take the chance. And you know, because that's Lionel
that he's also like Linel like luthers don't do wheelchairs,
but also like you can't see like the colonel of
the father like fighting to like save his son. And
then yeah, and then like in Fantasyland, and I love

(39:52):
how you say it is because it is very fairy
to like, and I love how that.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
That confrontation scene between them is lit. It's like so
stark and intent.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
You see him just be like totally heartless, and it's
just it's such an interesting because we've seen this dynamic before,
but to see this like shade of it and to
see this this like die like that dialect's not the
right word, but to see this like little fracture of
it was was really great and heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, excellent points about three of you'all. And now we're
gonna make some comical observations. Yes, one, he gets shot
in Grandville, Okay, so they don't take him to a
Granville hospital or find a metropolis to take him to
Smallville general. It's like, no, no, he should have been
air flighted in Metropolis immediately, all right, immediately the second

(40:37):
of all, like Lion'll be like, no, no, my son
is going to walk like that's so Linyl because he's
like he's a shame of him because he's bald, much
less than a wheel you know, if he was in
a wheelchair.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Yeah, no way, I'm wheeling this kid around.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
And then ironically, when if you go to Labyrinth in
season six where Clark has his like whole fantasy headland,
Lex is in a wheelchair, his leg's been amputated from
the crocks, and you have Clark, So that's interesting. And
then finally, why does Lionel not have a house? Like
I understand they're on a budget and they can't, but
he's why is seeing Luther Mansion all right? Which, by
the way, I got a good look at that l

(41:12):
There was no Veritas symbol there, all right, there it
is the one.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Well see it's interesting, like you know, Lionel sitting there,
like I mean, I think it's just to Lionel in
the Luther Mansion just shows how powerful he is in
contrast to Lex in the fantasy world. And it's it's interesting,
y'all keep using like the term like fantasy work because
it is, and to me, it's it's very a Christmas
Carol like because that role at that moment, Lionel is

(41:40):
definitely is like is like Scrooge and Lex coming to
see him asking for help is is Marley asking for
that day off right, And he's like he just doesn't
get it and so and so he just it just
kind of it's accentuates how powerfully is with how weak
that Lex is. But then I think the most telling
line that Lionel says in there is, uh, he's like
grand children. He's like, I don't even have a son,

(42:00):
and it's just like and up until that point, you like, Lionel,
as bad as he was to Lex, like, he's still
so vain and arrogant that he needs like that lineage
he needs. He has to tolerate Lex because the Luther
name is very important to him. And then when you
go to reality, Lionel, even though he probably hates his son,
is doing all this still so we can make sure

(42:21):
that he walks and that he's alive, so that way
he can carry that on. Like even though you know
Lex didn't appreciate it, Lionel knew it had to be
done for that reason, not for Lex's health, but for
his benefit. So it's interesting to see the two Lionels, like,
you know, back to back almost in these scenes.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
You're talking about the two Lexes, like, there's also the
similarities between the two Luthers here, Like they're both making
I'm talking real world Lex and real world Lionel here
are both making these key life choices, decisions without really
much thought beyond no, I'm a Luther, this is how
I want it. I'm not compromising on anything here, And

(42:57):
they're both making the same mistake, just proving the fact
that Lex is a Luthor.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
That's a really good point. And it's also interestingly like
parallel to season one or no wait, season two when
Lex had to make that choice for Lionel in the
hospital blind right, and it was like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Thought that as well. That was some nice symmetry there is.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
That's a good.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
And of course.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
We both would have been wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I really I did. I did really like the
very good this is this is the line over here, right,
I really did like the last team in from Lex
and Lionel was like, how dare you play god with
my life? My good? I'm glad Lex found out that
Lionel was going to let him die, Like he didn't
even have an answer. He was like, what, what, how
would you justified it if I had not lived? And
I kind of tries to like back away and like

(43:47):
scrabs him and looks at him in the eye. I'm like,
you know, every single scene in between the two of
them is so awesome. So I don't know what more
can you say?

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I wonder what, like do we have any did they
ever talk either of them about those scenes where they
do have to be that intense because like you know,
we've all seen the bloopers where like they're really pally
and jokey with each other when they're just doing like
let's drink and figure out who has the power in
this scene stuff. But like in these intense moments, like
you can tell like these guys must get along and

(44:15):
like trust each other quite a lot here because they
get to you know, really get up with their emotions.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Like that's a great well.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I know they always they always talked about like the
art of touching, like John Glover is gonna go like
just like putting a hand on your shoulder, you know,
that kind of thing that's a kind of Rosamom picked
it up from him, and they're all just trying to
out personal space invade each other. Yeah, I try to
make it not sound that way, thank you, but but yeah, no,
I that's what's great about the show, and they really

(44:41):
do make the show.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Finally, last point here, Lexmus stupid title or brilliant title?

Speaker 6 (44:51):
I thought it was brilliant. I thought I thought it
was really cute and like, weirdly not a Smallville title.
But that's why I like it. Like it's just it's
not like it's a passive vortex are very right, like
Yule Tide slave.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Well, and also it tells you everything you need to
know about the episode. It's a Christmas special and it's
centered around Lex, so I mean and obviously for like honestly,
for a small vite Christmas episode, what else were you
gonna call it?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I mean, you'll tired, you'll tie tonight.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So we get Al Golf and Miles Miller on the phone.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Guys, we found the one mistake.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
This see I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with the dial, all.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Right, guys. Well, a lot of fun. Any final thoughts here?
Anything you just were dying to mention that we didn't
mention griff Guys. Griff Griffer goes on to play a
Kryptonian in season nine and a police and a police
captain on Arrow for like at least the first four
or five years.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
So as a jaded industry person, you gotta love a
local Vancouver actor. You gotta love a local that you
can just hire and not have to pay for and
get that tax to be banned on.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
What about you, Trix, what are your final thoughts?

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I think it's my favorite Superman Christmas Eve thing, or
at least the most rewatched for me as far as
like Christmas tradition stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Even more than the Howie Mandel Mister Mix's FLICA.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
I marketly love that Lowis and Clark episode. I hate
the one that Dean Kine wrote.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
With the Jefferson.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I really like what is it called Yes? With the Jefferson.
I really like comfort and joy from the animated stuff.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
I watch Comfort Enjoy every Christmas Eve. It's part of
my tradition, Like I watched that before I go to
bed on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
This is dark Christmas stuff for me. Like, I really
liked this episode. I think it's my favorite, my favorite
Superman Christmas thing, So gold Star.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
What about you?

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Rocca totally agreed. I think it's one of my Christmas specials.
I guess I go to it every every year, me
and my mom watch rewatch the episode. It's a Christmas tradition.
Always takes me back to seeing it when I was
way back in high school, back in the day. I
just thought it was incredibly well written, well directed, really beautiful.
The Santas stuff is a little bit much, but it

(47:17):
never really bothered me, just because it was in this
context of this weird one off episode. So I just
thought of that stuff was just kind of funny, but
like the whole Lex stuff was really interesting. Oh and
I just want to say, and on the Lex on
a note, we were all joking about how the hell
did that happen. I always point that out when when
people complain in later seasons that Clark and Lex became

(47:37):
enemies over like a relationship, and as like nah, dude,
like look at Lexmiths. They would have been friends if
Lex was a good guy when he started going out
with on it. Wow, he's an evil bastard when he
does Wow.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah, interesting interesting for me. The standout thing, like weird
extra thing from this episode. It was going to be
griff but Victoria, you took that one. But there is
all good. It's because there is another thing that happens
that like that caught my eye really quickly in the episode,
and it happens at the very beginning, and the two
gang bangers that assault Lex, right, the dude that like

(48:11):
initially gets his attention put and holds me at gunpoint
was a power ranger. That's just like, are you serious?
It gets crazy, but like Hora Vargas, Uh, he's been
at a bunch of stuff, but like he was one
of the New Zealand Rangers around that time. This is
like right in his little hat. He hasn't done anything
really else. He's done Smallville, a few bit parts on
like uh, falling Skies and that. Yeah, this is all

(48:33):
he's done. Uh looked. I looked him up because I
was like, this guy looks really familiar, and then I
saw it. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Why do they shoot Lex in the back. It's a
little excessive. He was he was gonna give him his watch,
you know, he missed opportunity. I thought they were gonna
like show it. It was gonna be the watch that
his mom gave him from ship. That's why he doesn't
give it all. They didn't do that. He just got
shot for no reason.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
That would have been cool. Also that that little alley
where they meet real quick, You're like underground there, that's
totally the Luther Court tunnels, right.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
What the hell you doing here?

Speaker 6 (49:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
It was one of those like I had to come
all the way down here to this place I own
to exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
My last favorite, favorite little thing that I that I
know some an episode is when Clark is doing his
Santa thing and he sees the milking cookies and he
has some. I thought that was great. That was a
great little moment.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
So yeah, I love that.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
I'm the new and improved version, the new improved version.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, I indeed, you are.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Sorry.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I don't know.

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Speaker 2 (50:17):
All Right, I hope all y'all enjoyed our discussion about
Lexmis and despite us being maybe a little too critical
of Sanna being Cannon on Earth one sixty seven, I
think we all appreciated what this episode said, understand why
resonated with so many people, and as Lance probably more
than all of us, really gravitated towards It's a Christmas special,

(50:41):
It is a Hallmark movie, it is a holiday movie.
It has that spirit of Christmas to it. Which another
thing I want to call out when they're in these
top ten episodes is what a banger of a song
Ray Charles spirit of Christmas am to me and I
know to a lot of you. The popular music they
chose to put in episodes of Smallville was such a

(51:02):
crucial component to its success and our connection to it,
and just part of that secret sauce that made Smallville
so great. So hey, number ten episode as one of
those Ray Charles Spirit of Christmas, And yeah, you know,
I've really come to enjoy this episode more and come
around to it over the years, because again I missed

(51:24):
it in first run, so I'd seen it less than
a lot of the other ones and didn't have that
nostalgic attachment to it. And that's what's so much of
this love for this show is really thinking back to
where you were when you first saw it and where
you were in life even more so, and those memories.
And no, I really do put it up there with
one of these great you know DC Comics Christmas specials,

(51:46):
if you will, like we talked about especially Lance again
talking about the Animated Universe, the DCAU, there are Christmas episodes.
His traditions watching those Batman returns is probably mine. So
that's a whole different shade of a Christmas special. But yes,
Marvel had its Christmas special and for a show that
ran ten years, and honestly is kind of surprising they

(52:07):
didn't do Christmas more. You know, thinking about a show
at this point in time, they probably thought they were
gonna go five years, so they said, well, we better
do that Christmas episode, because they did. They do a
couple of Thanksgiving esque episodes, or at least episodes that
happen around a Thanksgiving dinner table at some point. They
do really just the one Halloween episode. They do the

(52:30):
two Valentine's Day episodes, and you know they never did
you know, Saint Patrick's Day or what July fourth is
like in the summer, so they really can't do that.
But it's interesting to see which which holidays they gravitated
towards doing and how many times. And this is the
Christmas episode. So again, hope you guys enjoyed our conversation.

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