Top 10 Episodes: #5 Reckoning

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi. My name is Tom Welling.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening
to Always hold on to Smallville.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast,
we've talked about each and every episode of the Young
Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to
twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host,
Sach Moore, and we're back with another Top ten episodes.
That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville as voted

(01:11):
by you, the listeners, and this time the number five
entry reckoning the one hundredth episode of Smallville. It was
an event at the time. It's a seminal moment and
the series. The consequences of this episode last to the
very end of the show. Really, my appreciation for this

(01:33):
episode has grown over the years. I liked it, but
I didn't love it at the time. I was disappointed
that they killed off Jonathan Kent, especially when they had
killed off Lana and undid that to kill Jonathan Kent.
I've been a big proponent of they should have made
Lana Lang Clark Kent Sqwynn Stacy at the time. Obviously,

(01:57):
had they known the show was in the last ten years,
they would not have killed off Jonathan Kent, you know,
halfway through the show basically, and seeing where they went
with Lana's character after this, it's like, now, Kristin Kruk
had some great material and there was some good line
of stuff after this, But on the whole, especially where
they ended up leaving her as a character when they

(02:20):
brought her back again in season eight, and then how
she left empowering for her, yes, but for the relationship
between Clark and Lana, uh, leaving in on that note
is just it just hangs there as as just a
sour disappointment in the middle of near the end of
season eight really and then to never wrap back around again.
Had they found a way to bring her back for

(02:41):
one final resolution episode in season nine or ten, with
her and Clark and Lois having a nice sit down
and clean up all that relationship mess similarly to how
they cleaned up all the Clark and Lois and Chloe
and Oliver relationship mess in season nine, something like that
would have maybe helped smooth some of that over. Because

(03:05):
you look at this and no matter how you cut it,
this is a really good episode I think at the time,
though I really emotionally responded to the end of Vengeance
more than anything in this episode, when Martha and Clark
are watching home videos and Jonathan's waving goodbye and he's crying,
and we're crying, and everybody's crying, and to me, almost

(03:29):
Vengeance is like the epilogue to this episode, and not
in the same way that Metamorphosis is like a second
part to Pilot. But Vengeance is a very necessary epilogue
to this because by the time the episode's Overreckoning, you
haven't really unpacked it. Oh my god, Jonathan's dead, and
Vengeance gets to do that. Now, this is a better
episode than Vengeance, And back in the day I might

(03:50):
have thought otherwise, But now I really have come around Reckoning.
And let's look back on what we gave Reckoning on
the letter grade scale on the podcast Proper had myself
and Tricia Ennis. I gave it an A and Tricia
gave it a B plus, so positive scores higher from me,
higher than I thought. Actually, I thought I might have

(04:12):
given it lower, especially back in that era of my
swallow phantdom, because I really have come around on Reckoning,
as I've said a few times now. But here on
the top ten Episodes. I am once again joined by
Lance Laster from Always Sold On Arrow, Matt Truix from
Lewis and Clark, the new podcast of Superman and mini
shows here on the Always Hold On To network and Patreon,

(04:35):
and Matthew Rocca. So, without further ado, let's discuss the
number five episode of Smallville, Reckoning.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
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Speaker 4 (05:13):
But Thursday starts with the one hundredth episode of.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Small Volte fifth episode, Reckoning, Small Fan you all.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
It starts at eight seventh Central, eleventh w.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Thursday, Reckoning. Now, looking at everyone's list, Victoria had it
on her list, and it looks like Lance, you had it.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
On your list, Sure did, It was number nine.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
The three of us did not, So Lance, why don't
you sell us on Reckoning? Why is it on to
your top ten list?

Speaker 5 (05:57):
It's on my top ten list because number one, it's
one hundredth episode. And so these anniversary type of episodes,
they normally do something big, and they normally do something
that'll catch you and something memorable, and in this case,
with this episode spoilers, they killed Jonathan Kent.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
And for this show that's.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
A huge, huge deal because.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
The Kents are a huge part of Clark obviously and
there and they were a huge part of this show.
I mean for up until this point, like what shows
centering around like a teenager had such present parents, you know,
like there's it's never really that and especially like such
a present father who was very involved and very close
with their son. So having him removed from the show,

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and especially in a way that it teaches Clark a
very hard lesson for him to learn in this episode
is important. And also like you know, I like, we'll
get into it more as we go on, but like
it was a small cast basically, it was like every
all the main players were in. There was nothing extra
about this episode. It was very paired down, so like
everybody had their role and was everybody in the cast

(07:01):
that we know and love, and they do their role
and they execute it very brilliantly.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I think in this episode, all right.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Roca, why is it not on your top ten list?
And why are you right.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
It's not that it's not on my top ten lists
for any kind of reason I'm not liking. I actually
think it's a really terrific episode actually, and I agree
with Lance's points there with a lot of stuff. It's
just that I have way too many Smallville episodes that
it's hard to have them compete on my top ten,
so I had to narrow it down at some point.
But it would be somewhere up there for sure. I

(07:33):
really do feel like the episode was very powerful. I
guess perhaps one reason it wouldn't be on top ten
is maybe more just that it's hard to watch because
it's that ending is just so sad, and it's beautifully
done and beautiful cinematography, the music is perfect, and the
acting is incredible. It's just that I don't all my

(07:56):
top ten or more like the ones I like to
revisit for enjoyment, and Reckoning just like makes me so
sad every time. It's like like one of the saddest
episodes of the whole series. And that's why it wouldn't
be on my top ten in terms of like revisiting
for enjoyment wise, But if I'm just looking at it
from a subjective lens of like the direction, the acting,

(08:17):
the music. It's like, it's incredibly well done, very.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Powerful, good points, truths where it's your take on this
whole thing.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
I forgot how good this episode was until I rewatched
it for this, Like I remember it being a big deal.
And one of my questions too, that I want to
get to is like, did they advertise this as a
someone won't make it to episode one oh one?

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yeah, I forget if they did, because I feel like
they did.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Going into it and they show you Lana's car accident,
You're like, well, I guess it's not gonna be MAIRK
because they wouldn't have shown in the trailer.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, No. I was pleasantly surprised we're watching this
this week. This this might have made a top ten.
I thought everyone was awesome. I thought the writing was excellent.
I thought, like character wise, there was one character beat
I thought was missed, but we can get into that later.
But like Lex has seen the first scene with Lana

(09:10):
and like the first time though a plus, he's phenomenal
in that scene, and she's really good throughout the episode too.
Like I was, it was a really pleasant surprise watching
this episode.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Matt, you and I are in alignment. I mean I
was talking mess as we started here, but this was
not on my top ten. I've always said, like, I
really liked the one hundredth episode, but rewatching him for this,
I was like, Wow, this is a really great episode.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
And I think it's very refreshing because hey, Clark's telling
Lana his secret. Wow, Lana accepts the fact that he's different. Wow.
Clark is happy, his parents are happy. He is like,
because the whole five years of this show, this guy's
wanted to give this girl, and now he's honest with
her and they're getting married and his dad is going

(09:57):
to be the senator and he's on top of the order. Wait,
it's really twenty minutes in something Terrible's gonna happen to you, guys. Points.
It's very emotional upisode. It's very well acted by everybody,
Like like a rosenboxing. Okay, when you act drunk, you know,
especially in like an in a dramatic sense, not like
in a comedy or something, just to make your friends

(10:19):
laugh for something, it's hard to do. And he pulls
it off so well.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Right man, it's that depressed drunk. It isn't for comedy.
He is a broken individual in that scene, and she
comes in and breaks him just that little bit more,
and like when he says, like, so you chose him,
it's just such a great moment of like, oh, it's
always You've always thought it's between the two of you
this whole time, haven't you. You know, like just that

(10:42):
that piece of him finally shows you know.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Like there's so many layers of everything and everybody's on
their a game the entire time. And speaking of like
some of the scenes, there's so many good scenes in here,
but like, how about the opening. That's one of the
best openings in this show. I mean you have Clark's
worry in the barn, and then they go to the caves.
It's amazing. And then like right before you know the
somebody saved me, you know, he asked her to marry

(11:07):
Or and you just focus on Lana's face and it's
like boom, somebody's say it was like, this is amazing.
If you've been watching the show from episode one all
the way up to this point, it's amazing stuff. It's
just it's so good and it's so exciting, but at
the same time, you know, it's like, well, there's still
forty minutes left in this episode, so stuff is gonna
go down, and.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
This is an arrow, so they're not gonna change the
person the main character, and from the contence, something is
gonna change. Talk about that first scene, right, is this
this is the one episode of small that you actually
get some scope to the fortress? I think yes, because
he's jumping around, you see all the every other episode
is just that one little area near the crystal control panel.

(11:47):
So I thought that was really cool to see as well.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Maybe my favorite fortress is in supermun Returns. It's just
I feel like it's magical because it's like the Donner,
but it's more scope than the Donner. It feels more real,
and yet it's still got that nostalgia and Recting kind
of has that too, right, It's like the whole scope.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Something I forgot about this episode two, and it's the
type of Superman story that I'm just a sucker for apparently,
is the love interest finds out the secret and this
is how it's gonna go, and then it gets reversed
at the end. Like after we recorded last episode, I
sent and watched Not Hydro, the second one where Tori
Spelling comes back and like Lois finds out and there's
a legion ring and all that involved, and like my

(12:27):
favorite episode of Lewis and Clark is the same thing.
They're time traveling and she finds out and things are
cool by the end, and it's just kind of this
tragedy that it doesn't get to stay that way. I
forgot that's what this episode was. So again, it just
like it hit that core for me and your right
lands just seeing them in the beginning, that the acting
that they're so happy together, you know, and it just

(12:48):
it feels like it's gonna work and that it should work,
and it's just the tragedy of what happens with the
rest of the episode just totally hit me.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I must say, someone who stops shipping Clerk Alana like
near the end of season one, it took me.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
It took me to season three, but yeah, same page.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
To see them together and happy, like it did make
me happy. I was like, oh okay, because again the
whole shit, the private lit of the show onward. From there,
he's been pining for Lona. You know, it's like he's
achieved his goal. He's on top of the world. You
can You're like, man, you kind of identify with that guy,
you know, and Christian Krook the best performance so far
from her. She brings it. She brings it with the

(13:29):
emotions and awe with Clark, and she really brings it
in her scenes with lex She has to go both versions.
She has to go through so many different emotions because
she's like trying to comfort him and then she's trying
to be strong and like tell him off about Clark's secret.
And I was like, wow, like this is great you
give you give Christian Kirk good material. She's gonna do
a good job with it, and I feel like the
show let her down with the writing way too often.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
You know what can I add off for that? I
just wanted to say, it's I was thinking about this
episode is like the inverse of Lexmiths. It's like Clark's Lexmiths,
right like, happy yeah, and like the same could be
said with Lana right like. And I just think that's
an interesting parallel. You just we're just saying about Christmas
performance because I feel like Lexmis and Reckoning are some

(14:11):
of her best performances, and it's like when we get
to actually see her be naturalistic and three dimensional and
human and like in a happy, normal relationship in the show.
And then we also get like good writing for her
to see why it doesn't work out, Like we see
all the different sides she can put into it instead

(14:33):
of just giving her like a one dimensional secrets and
lies thing. Like, it's like you get to see more
of fleshed out like happy and the drama, and it's
the combination she pulled off really well.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
It's kind of when she has something to do, when
she's not just spinning your wheels and waiting to either
be you know, either dump him or be let go
or yeah, get mad at him. Like when these things,
when these secrets finally fall, it's it's very interesting to
see how she takes it.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah, and when it's more like adult relationships, yeah kind
of well.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Not just that, but she's like like an actual like
character in this episode. She's not just like you know,
somebody's girlfriend that Clark is trying to mess up the
relationship so we can get with. And she's not like
possessed by a witch for some random reason. Like, she's
like an actual person with actual like agency, and she
has like her own motivations, she has her own thoughts.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
She has her own actions.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
And she makes her own decisions in both timelines. That
makes sense for her character, like she actually does stuff,
and to Kristen's credit, she knocks it out of the park.
This is probably I think this is the best Lana episode. Yeah,
I can't think of any other at the moment, but like, yeah,
this is just really good.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
When you guys first saw this episode, did you like it?
Because I didn't, So I don't know if it's like
seeing it out of context now, I'm like, Okay, Lana
does go away eventually, and we do get Jonathan Kinton
back various times in various ways, and you know, Clark
and Lolsson them together and it's fine. And again, this
is the midway point. You know, they thought season five

(16:01):
was the end. They're like, so let's let's kill Jonathan.
Let's get the fortress. And they're like, oh no, your
ratings are still great. We're gonna go for five more years. Like, oh, well,
never mind then, So I don't know. At the time,
I was like, really, guys, you killed the wrong one.
Because this is something that I will submit to y'all.
We can let's let's talk about this, right, Okay, now
I like the episode. I appreciate, but at the time
I was like, really they should have switched it. I've

(16:25):
postially had this over the years, like if they killed
Jonathan first and then he reversed his time and then
Lana dies, and then in these small vil version of
events in that universe, Lana Lang becomes his gwyn Stacy.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
All right, that's interesting, and then.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Seeing where they went, because where did they go with
Clark Klana? After this, she gets with Lex, they get
married China again, see China again. She goes back to China.
The blonde wig was terrible. Her and Clark get together
in season seven, but she's like, all, I'm gonna get
vengeance on Lax and then she leaves because Christian Kirk
does the Street Fighter and then she comes back aftery

(17:04):
through season eight and wrecks the whole thing, and then
she never comes back. So like, if you're like, if
if you're Clark, right, no, seriously, Like, if you're Clark,
would you be like, man, should have just let it be?

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Really dad?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, no, I get your arguments, and it would definitely
be very interesting. However, I when it came out, I
did like this episode and whether I disagree with you know,
them killing Jonathan because I really like the character Jonathan Ken.
I think they thought it was the right move to make,
and the episode is still good in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
That's why it's on my list.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
But I do like your idea though, of Lana being
his gwinn Stacy if they, like, if they decided to
do that, like if you were in charge and you
did that, I would have liked that also, So I
mean for me, it's kind of a win win.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
You were asking Zach whether I liked it back in
the day. I don't remember like specific pieces that I liked,
Like I'm sure I liked all the lex scenes anytime
someone angrily throws a glass at a fire and the
fire gets bigger, like I'm.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
In side note. I love that he did it the
second time, just out of likea just had a frustration.
It's real good.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
That end scene with Jonathan, and not necessarily the funeral,
which isn't shot all that great. But his death scene
is hard to watch. And I'm saying, this is someone
with two parents and you know, loved them very much
and all that, but like that's really difficult to watch.
And I say that saying that, like in a good way.

(18:32):
They did a beautiful job with it, the tragedy of it.
I remember watching you know, Superman the movie as a
kid when he just you know, grabs his chest for
a second and realizing that's where they were going at
the end of that fight with Lionel. I remember getting
chills as a kid watching that absolutely. So yeah, you know,
maybe there were pieces of it that I wasn't all
that into, but I think that the core of what

(18:53):
the episode tried to do totally struck me.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah. The thing about the last scene of the can
Sell Together is I love that he's able to like
make eye contact with him. So much is said than
just body language and no dialogue, and then he dies.
That's a lost thing. I think so many writers of
fiction are so obsessed with like, oh, the Skirk is
gonna die. Here's a monologue about what you know, it's

(19:18):
the video game show. You go see the character and
there's a cut scene and they talk to you and
then they die, And lots of movies and TV shows
do And I'm really proud of the show for not
doing that right. For someone who's so famous for his
speeches and stuff on this show, there was no. You
know it more was said without words than with the words.
There at the last scene for Jonathan, and you know,
mentioning Superman the movie. There's a lot of Superman movie
references in this episode. Obviously, you know we were talking

(19:40):
about the fortunate of solitude is very you know Superman
the movie that's been established in season five. But when
Clark crushes the coal and he gets the diamond, that's
straight out of Superman three. Oh, when Superman does that
for a lot of lang played by an Neto tool.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
Interesting. I didn't know that was at a Superman three.
That's a George Reeves move too. I remember that as
a kid. There's I forget where they are the on
some island and like the diamond that everybody prays to
get stolen, and he like takes it lumpacole and goes
under put it his hand in a river for a second
and he comes out with the diamond. I thought that's
what that was a reference too. I didn't know about

(20:13):
Superman three. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
And then the death scene is very like Superman the movie.
Like even the way Martha's like Jonathan and they kind
of pull out. It's a wide shot of the farm.
You know, you just needed to where was Shelby. Shelby
need to be running around. That's just like in the movie,
right Shelby. Then, of course Chloe has to mention because
Clark says he time travel? Oh what did you spend
the earth? Bawckkwards on x axis. Great, it's a visual

(20:35):
representation for time travel people, all right? How many times?
A funny joke, though also relevant to this episode because
I get much like in Superman the movie, the love
interest dies, Superman goes back in time. Although in Superman
the movie there were no consequences that was probably.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
I think this is like a great like Looking at
it in that context, it's really like a great like
fulfillment of the promise that Superman the movie made but
never actually fulfilled because that, you know, that's not the
type of movie that it was. It was much more
fantasy and nostalgia and like, so it's like, okay, cool,

(21:11):
they can get away with that. That's not the milieu
that they're playing in. But it's small. They'll being more
dark and a little more realistic, at least psychologically. Like
it was kind of interesting to be like, Okay, so
Clark's gonna pull a Superman one Superman the movie, but no,
he's not because there's consequences which we never saw at
Superman the Movie. It's like they warned about that so much,

(21:33):
you know, you cannot mess with human history, and then
you never get any like payoff of that warning, you.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Know, absolutely, and so like, and what's interesting about this is,
so this is not the first time that Clark has
been faced with loss. He dealt with the death of Ryan,
and then of course he done last season he dealt
with the death of a leash. Yeah, oh yeah, oh gosh.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
But this though, is this is different because this in
the show because like he does, they don't really deal
with like the aftermath of those things, like when Alicia dies,
like you know, it's the next episode, is the next thing, right,
same thing with Ryan, like it's just like the next episode,
next thing. This though, kind of kicks off like an
art for Clark where he's grieving and he's dealing with
the death of his father. Same thing with Martha dealing

(22:19):
with the loss of her husband and everybody like trying
to help Clark and help Clark through this difficult time.
And it's it's interesting that the show finally has Clark
deal with loss in this capacity because Jorell like mentions
to him, you know, he's like, there's one trial that
you haven't done yet. I'm not sure if when he
was talking about that trial as far as what I

(22:40):
was interpreting it as, it's like, is it dealing with
loss or is it like that's what I thought it was.
It's like it's like that's something he had to go
through in his education, you know what I mean. It's
like he has to dust and see if he still
has the same morals, the same outlook on life and
then the same has the same zeal that he has
is superow.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
That's really cool and so I've never thought of it
like that.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah, that's a really interesting point. I feel like, and
it's like what you're saying, he has dealt with loss before,
but I feel like the loss of a parent could
be what Darelle is referring to too, where it's that
is such a classic coming of age. It was the
apparent and it's like that's something Clark had never dealt
with and that's a whole other like aspect of loss.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
And you know, I could speak from personal experience because
you know, I lost my father, so I know how
much it sucks, and so it was interesting for me
watching this episode. It's just like, oh, well yeah, and
it kind of brought back some of those type of emotions.
And you know, I'll probably end up watching like a
little bit more of season five after this, just so
I could just just you know, for my own personal say,

(23:43):
because there's certain things that like, you know, like as
we see moving forward after this episode, there are just
certain things that when that person is gone, you automatically
like see them everywhere and you see things in remembrances
of them, Like, you know, a scene that gets me
now like just thinking about it is like you know
when Clark, where's his dad's watch? You know, like that's
a huge thing, man, So like and I have something
like that of my father's that I wear every single day.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
So I get it.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
And so it's it's cool that now looking back on it,
that the show kind of deals with loss actually like
for the first time really, because this is the first
time they actually deal with grief. With Clark's arc and
his journey to becoming a hero, it's something that he
has to kind of overcome, and this is also something
that sticks with him from now, from this point and
through the finale. So it's this is why another reason

(24:26):
why this episode is so made my list because it
sets the tone for a lot of things moving forward.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
Yeah, I think that, like what you're saying, Lan's about
it carrying through the whole rest of the show is
really interesting because like there's so much that we all
love about Smallville, and I think it's safe to say
at times continuity isn't one of them, but in this
but in this case it is true. It's like that

(24:53):
carries through as an arc, and like you mentioned, like
you can bring your own personal experience into that, and
it's and it's dealing with things that are true and
human and and difficult but real and and I like
that the show did that and that people can break
their own experiences like that to it and can relate
to Clark through that. Looking at it again in retrospect,

(25:16):
it's kind of like it affects all of the characters
throughout the rest of the series too. It's not just
Clark's art, but it's like like Lionel's whole like semi
redemption thing, and like lexit like turning even more Lex
Luthor and just you know, the deterioration of Klana, like
it all kind of affects all of them throughout the

(25:36):
rest of the show, Like it's a huge presence and
ghosts that Jonathan leaves.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yeah, I think Lionel's a little happier about it than
other people. But yeah, to talk about at a certain point.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's talk about that. First of all, is shot in
the just already as he passes by slowly.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Shark in the water.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
It's like a wedding crashers, like when he's just like
like when uh with Will Ferrell's like I crashed a
funeral the other day, Like that's sort of reminded me
of It's like he's already ready to make his move
on Martha for two seasons.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, there was.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Like little I don't know, I don't know if this
was intentional or not, but I feel like in retrospect
there was a cool little like contrast between Lex and
Lionel being at the funeral where it was like Lex
was like becoming the bad guy at this point, but
like he's still there just being respectful of Jonathan, like
he's still not yet, and then like Lionel's there just
creeping out on Martha like.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, what, okay, let let's talk about this. I believe
this picture, right, isn't it a picture of like Clark
saving Lana from like a warehouse that blows up or something.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think that's what the picture is.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
It's safe with me.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah. And Jonathan just kind of overreacted here, I
think because like because isn't Lionel like, Okay, he's kind
of good right now, Like it's kind of.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
Like, can I've overanalyzed Lionel's motives?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like I believe.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Here here's my theory. Tell me what you hear? Okay,
are you watching it? In retrospect? I think that Lionel
at the like post end of season four, like towards
the end of season four, like Onyx and all that, right,
we're Luther is like that whole thing, Like so he's
like he's going back to being evil Lionel and then
like he gets that by the Stone and then it

(27:33):
gives the knowledge of the universe and it humbles him
a little bit, but he's still Lionel, so he goes
about stuff in the Linel way of doing it, and
I think that that like rewatching it. I think his
meeting with Jonathan in a way he's like trying to
say he wants to help, like he wants to be
on the Kent team, and like because he does have
that moment where he's like, oh, we both protect the

(27:54):
secret lives, and like I think he actually means it,
but because he's Lionel and he says it in his
line of way of saying it, and because he kind
of hates Jonathan because of his whole love for Martha thing,
like Jonathan interprets it the way audience does, and like
that's what causes the you know, the what what happens,

(28:16):
And I think Lionel would have tried to help, but
like in his own twisted, fed up Linel way, which
we kind of see it later on in the show
when he puts Clark in the cribs in a cage,
he's like helping him, but not his best movement.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Yeah, So you're saying that you don't think that Lionel
was trying to exploit him in any way in that scene.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, well, I think he definitely was. There were shades
of that.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Originally, my theory originally when I watched the season, my
theory was that he was still evil Lionel at this
point and then as this show went on, he became
like better, So I guess that could be Like that
could be true too, that he is still evil Lionel.
He knows Clark's secret. He's trying to played it right now.

(29:01):
Like the closer he gets to the Kents, the more
he becomes like a better man to something.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
Closer to the camp.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
One in particular. Yeah, it's interesting that they leave everything.
There's so many factors at play here. You can kind
of read it a lot of different ways, so like,
and this is a rare case where there their ambiguity
is a strength instead of like, why didn't you explain
this properly? Because Julna is a complicated guy, so I
can believe on that. But Jonathan dying this way. His
temper is what did him in, which is solid because

(29:37):
that is something that was established on this show from many, many,
many times. So that tracks. It's the heart attack, which
is quote unquote beyond Superman's control of me, the whole
thing from Superman the movie, all those things I can do,
all those powers, I couldn't even save him. That's an
important lesson for him to learn. So they kept that,
although it's kind of double Clark's fault because one season

(30:02):
three when Jonathan got the powers that then wore out
his heart, although lots of other people get powers all
the time, never a problem. Lex fair point, Lana point,
Jimmy Olsen's twin brother. All those people are fine, all right,
All these people are fine. So okay, he was older
and whatever. Okay, I don't know. Fine. So that was

(30:23):
like strike one, and then strike two was when he
got resurrected. The beginning of season five, A life for
a Life Universe finds a balance, even tells him that
in this episode, Gerald does I have one hundred percent
agree with that. That's the way you go final destination movies.
It's what they're all about. But the Clark's really responsible
for that one and then strike so let's strike two.
Strike three is the fact that Lana dies and then
Clark undoes it and it kills Jonathan instead.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Yeah, we've been loving on this episode really really hard.
Can I get to just one character moment I felt
was kind of missed here, Like I would have loved
to have seen the Kents like really have a moment
with Lawn of like okay, you know, like this is
a big like we should probably talk soon. It's really
really quick at that party, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Is that what you were talking about earlier, like they
missed him?

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Yeah, that's That's truly my biggest complaint for this episode
that in the funeral show.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
But well, there are a lot of like this could
have been a ninety minute episode. Yeah, it would have
been a longer two I don't know, it's one hundred episodes.
They don't want to make it a two parter, but
there's a lot of missed opportunities. And see because the
day goes by really fast, and I know why because
we have to see it twice. But Jonathan dies and
then we're at his funeral. You know, I'm like, I
don't know, but I wanted to see the scene from

(31:36):
Spider Man two where Peter Parker has as hell aunt
May that he's the reason Uncle Ben dyed, you know.
I wanted to see that scene between Clark and Martha,
And then when I was rewatching, I forgot. I was like,
does he ever tell her? But like it's kind of
his fault, and then he mentions that he blames himself
and Martha's like, no, no, and they established that he
did tell her. She's like, oh, do you do you
think you could have chosen one if you were given

(31:57):
a choice. Yeah, he would have chosen Lata. I think
we all agreed that's what he would have done. But
you know, he's a dumb teenager. He's nineteen, all right.
When you're in love, you do stupid things. Yeah, he
has more life. Let's look at that.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Look at bad I'm playing down over here.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
He already has a bad heart.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
I mean, yeah, he's lived a good life. He has love.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
So I guess I'm kind of talking about two things
at once here, but to one point, like like I
can identify with the Clark more now. I was like, okay,
you make dumb decisions in your love so and especially
when your teenager. So that's a lethal combination. I'll give
you that out, Clark. But yeah, I just wanted to
see that where Martha was like had to like process
that instead of hurt. But she, of course she said

(32:43):
all the great things, and she's Martha. She's everybody's favorite mom,
you know. So that was good. But I just felt
we were really kind of fast forward to the end
and then we have a silent, you know, montage at
the end. A small velt does at the yard at
the graveyard and then you're done. So, Matt, you didn't
like the way they shot the graveyard.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
Huh No, it's just like weirdly over exposed. The snow
is far too big, just like a little it's all.
It's all just production stuff. And I'm just like Jesus
brightened the snowfall.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Room, Like, I totally get what you're saying, and that's
hilarious thinking of it that way. But I kind of thought,
may I don't know, I kind of thought maybe that
was intentional to give it this like almost like dreaming.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
I think you're reading it correctly the way that it's intended.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yes, back to your point though about the cats having
a moment with Lana to talk about the fact that
she knows a secret that is a missed opportunity. I
hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it, because they
had that moment with Pete, and so it would be
it would have been interesting to see what the conversation
would have been like with Lana, especially considering she's a
different confidant for for for Clark, and so their relationship

(33:49):
is a different one and so the challenges are a
little bit different. And also it would like I think
also like Clark having a conversation with Lana about Lex
also would have been interesting one as well, because when
in the first timeline when she calls him and she's like,
she like she understands the danger of Lex, understanding that
she knows the secret. But it would have been nice
for them to kind of like she and Clark had

(34:10):
kind of come to some common ground about why he's
keeping it from Lex.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Would have been nice to see her and Chloe talk
about it for a second too.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, okay, so she she doesn't go talk to her
best friend about this, She goes and talks to Lois Lane,
which again, and this is and this episode reminds me
why I did not like Lois for several years on
the show. What is she? She's hanging out of the
talent being his campaign manager and reaching for those ding dongs, which,
by the way, oh so I have a theory. I

(34:39):
might have read this on crypton site back in the
day krypton site message board. Speaking of message, Lois would
have been the one who died, but then Clark saved
her and therefore his dad died and then stay with me,
stay with me, this is the alternate future we see
in Lexmis because Lois is not arouse and Chloe and

(35:00):
Clark are.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, yes, I remember thinking that way back in that day.
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Interesting, So I'm just saying, you know, this is season five.
They seem to be thinking things through a little better.
So they're connected. These these two episodes, like we mentioned,
they are connected. Leximison Reckoning are connected.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
I think that they're very like Season five is very
Butterfly effect. It's very interesting. You know, it's like if
this didn't happen, then what would have been different in
this future? You know, if lex stayed good, what would
happen here with Lionel, if Jonathan didn't die? Well, you know,
it's it's just it's really interesting in that regard. It's
like plays with a lot of alternate history and what

(35:41):
would have happened kind of thing. It's really fascinating.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
And Zach, you kind of alluded to this earlier. Did
they at this point when they're doing this one hundredth episode,
do they still think that this was the final season?
Because I was watching this going like this, does this
feels like a new start? This feels like a new
normal that that they want to go forward with?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
You know, well maybe not, because they had They started
season five the whole Clark's resurrected. We got to kill somebody,
all right, March like Arrow season four, We're like, we're
gonna put someone in those grave. We don't know who
it's gonna be. Oh, we're gonna kill off Black Canary.
Screw the comics. Uh so I think they already set

(36:20):
that in motion. So they were like, well, we got
to kill somebody, now, were you gonna kill Chloe? Like
she's really the only one left you can kill without
messing up comic book connuity.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
They tried to kill Chloe already in season three.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I can't play that card again, which which by let's
talk about Chloe for a second. So Lana goes she
doesn't talk to Chloe about this. It's funny that Lana
talks to the lowest and Clark talks to Chloe. I'm like,
why is why why haven't Chloe and Lana talked about this?
Because they're best friends allegedly. I love Chloe's reactions both
times when Clark says I asked her to marriage, She's like,
oh wow, that wasn't on the doppler. And then in

(36:55):
the and the next day again, she like, oh wow,
what was my reaction. He's like, yeah, I kind of
like that. It's like even they know, they know what's
going on here. You know, you can just see Chloe
likes like, oh, I thought, well, okay.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Chloe was still kind of holding on for just like
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
She's like, maybe there's a chance, just maybe, Like we're older,
we're not in high school anymore. You know, Clark's doing
like me and Clark have this thing. We're like, I'm
his girl in the chair, and like, but yeah, it
didn't work out well.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And I think a lot of even says in the
Fortress she's like, oh, no one else knows about a secret,
and like, well, Chloe knows. And Pete, do you remember
Peyton knows my kid with the Remember that American in
the cave she knew, And remember Elite doing the Teliporny
girls she knew.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
Good point with Chloe too, because it's just like he
doesn't even work in the Daily Planet yet and he
spends a lot of time in this basement, do.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
You guys you know that awful episode when Pete returns
with the but but that line always makes me laugh,
you know, And He's like, so, I guess the secret
of the centuries not so secret anymore.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
A lot of so true. It's so true. Talking about
time travel, do you guys remember the episode of The
Flash where he runs really fast and goes back in
time at the first That was an amazing That's the
episode where Harrison Wells killed Cisco and like even differ,

(38:23):
that's a great episode of The Flash, right, these markers
right of like we're gonna time travel, guys, and we're
gonna you're gonna pay attention to these things because in
this episode when Clark to the Daily Planets, all these
interruptions are happening, like like someone's getting engaged, someone's quitting
a terrible day player. By the way, you can't fire.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Your boss is firing someone in there right now.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And then like Funk's kitchen calls, no, we're all out
of egg rolls. That was funny, But it's funny because
like the Flash did that too, and that that's the
first thing I thought of, because like he runs into
some alley and there's like, I don't know, somebody with
like a sign. They're twisting around and like like very
specific things where you have to know this is the
same day and not you're not just in an alley somewhere.

(39:11):
And it's funny because in real life those things happen
all the time, right, there's all kinds of nonsense interactions,
but only in television that only happens when they're like,
pay attention, guys, you're gonna see this again. So I
thought that was fun.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
You do the same thing in the Tory Spelling episode.
They do the same thing in Tempest Fugitive. I'm listen,
Clark if there's just.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Like absolutely, I mean, it wouldn't be TV if it
if it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I really enjoyed revisiting this episode. It's it's I was
down on it and like I never really revisited it
because I'm like, oh, that's the one they should have
killed Lana and said Jonathan, And I was just down
about it for several years, you know, and and but
rewatching and I really appreciate it as the one hundredth episode.
I think it's a very appropriate hundredth episode of the show.

(39:55):
You take it all back, you know, and then it
is like, oh man, really we're gonna like what a
terrible day for Clark, because like he went from like
his dad is the senator and now he's married the
girl he's been in love with for years, or he's
gonna marry her, and now your dad is dead and
the girl that was gonna marry you just broke up
with you, right, Like that's like the worst day ever.

(40:16):
So you can kind of see, like you're putting this
cap on watching this, so it's like, Okay, I can
see why he's still hung up on this girl for
like years after that, she's like, well, remember that other timeline,
We're gonna get married, and it's like like he's like, well,
this was gonna happen, so maybe it's still can't. So
in my my head canon is like this is part
of the reason, like he still even considers this like

(40:36):
years down the road, like like oh, I could get
in a relationship with Lois Lane here, we'll do that
for a few episodes. So I don't know, do you
guys see what I'm saying?

Speaker 7 (40:46):
Yeah, no, fair point. It was It's exactly what he's
wanted for five years or since he was a kid
or whatever. I get it that that loss is just
as damaging as the loss of Jonathan, just that like
life was perfect for a brief maybe I can get back.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
To that he was given paradise but only one day.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah, I do think that's such an interesting point, like
giving more credence psychologically to the whole, Like you know
what we can laugh about with all the continual lot
of stuff after it actually does give some like psychological
credence to it, because like, like I've been in experiences
where not traumatic like this, but like I've been in
experiences where I thought, oh, this is the perfect universe

(41:28):
for something to happen, whatever it might be, and then
it doesn't happen and it goes a different way, and
like in retrospect it's like, oh, yeah, maybe it was
just not meant to be that way. But like at
the time it felt so crushy because it was like,
but I saw it in my head. It was supposed
to be right, and you have over it and you
are torn up about it because of that, you know.

(41:48):
But I do want to say, I do you're I
like your alternative universe switch of the endings. I remember
when Reckoning first came out that I really enjoyed it
a lot and thought it was fantastic. But I do
remember it's an interesting thing, just like to look at
people on the outside of Smallville, like who didn't watch it,

(42:09):
but people who I would like obsessively talk to about,
like I talked to about I'm sure we all had that.
I have my buddy Vinnie in high school, and I
would obsessively tell him, Oh, guess what's small Dell blah
blah blah. And I told him about this episode and
he's like, and he didn't really follow it, but he
was just like, Ah, it would have been ballsier if
they just killed off Lana. Yes, and they didn't follow it,

(42:32):
you know. I just thought that was interesting from an
outside perspective.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well it's on It's like on Arrow. I keep bringing
like there's a lot of c W versus H you know,
shades of all of this what we're saying, like they
should they should have killed Felicity. The mid season finale
of season four, Oliver asked her to marry her and
then they get like the Damian dark Hawk from starting
First Contact shoots up their car and and Felicity is
all hurt, like, oh, they're gonna kill Felicity And I

(42:58):
was gonna be on her majesty see service James Bond
style and whatever, and he's gonna end up with Black
Canary after all, right, But then they don't do that,
and I'm like, but this was a character you guys
created for this show, and that's exactly and we already
saw a grave in the ground, so now she's not
gonna die. What are you doing? So this character of
Lana Lang was so different than one of the comics.
I don't think it would have been like an affront

(43:19):
to the comics to kill her off. Her now was
the w Beast, it was still the w B at
this time. They were not gonna kill off their female lead.
You know, this isn't Game of Thrones. Okay, they're not
gonna do this kind of thing. But you had Chloe
and Lois already, and like, if there is one shot
on this show that it's like, yeah, Coloe Lows is
the same character. It's it's this funeral at the end,

(43:40):
they're just walking off. They're both dressed exactly the same,
They turn over their shoulder, they had the exact same
look on their face and they walk off. I'm like, yeah,
that's that's the lowest laying algamation right there. So and
let's not forget that Lois has the lineup. I would
be honored to end it with the man who is honored,
yall something like that.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
I was like, yeah, I forgot about that, but yeah,
we had to mention that. I do want to shout
out one of the actors though, that was present in
this episode though, Merrit Green. You may not know his name,
but you've seen him in stuff. He is one of
the TV anchormen in Arrow, the black Guy and he Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
He's the guy that's like alfrom Queen is alive. It's
that guy.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
So he's the guy who was announcing, you know, like
who was talking about like the senatorial race. And so
I looked him up on IMDb and this guy is
a TV reporter or anchorman in pretty much every role
that he's in.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Like he's that in Arrow, he's that in the L Word,
Bionic Woman, Supernatural, I Robot, Sniper, The Twilight Zone, X
two X Men United Final Destination three.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Slap shot, Like what every single thing? This dude is
a TV news reporter.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Go to his bio? Is he go to his bio
on IDV? Is he actually he could be like a
real reporter. Yeah, I know they did that on they
do this.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
They did that on Buffy, Like anytime you saw a
TV reporter they were like local San Diego or Santa
Monica reporters. Wow, that's my good eye Lance, damn.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Oh man. That's good catch, good catch. So yeah, So
I mean that's I think I pretty much wraps up.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I think, so.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Any final thoughts then for you guys.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
There's something that always occurs to me that I forgot
to mention earlier that I just really love about the episode,
which is like the whole something that the early seasons
did so well and I love that they kind of
like came to a climax, but this episode was like
the contrast, and I feel like we don't really get
it that much after this episode, because particularly because Jonathan's
gone from the show, which is like the parallel and

(45:46):
contrast between the youth of the show and the older
characters of the show, And in particular I love it
when they contrast like the Clark and Lex good and
evil stuff with the Lionel and Jonathan of it all.
And this so it was just it was so gratifying
as like a Lionel fan and as a Jonathan like
to see the two of them if Jonathan's going to die,

(46:10):
which is so sad and I don't want it to happen,
but it's like, if it's gonna happen, I think it's
really dramatically satisfying to see it be in a confrontation
with Linyl and to see how that's always traced back
to way back into the pilot and like Leage and
the conflict legacy with the shotgun, and like, you know,
we finally see that kind of come to ahead with this.
So I love that and that we see the Clark

(46:31):
and Lex of it on it's like this big scale
good versus evil or we've got Lionel and Jonathan, you know,
the adults of the show, big good and evil guys,
and then we've got like Clark and Lex and they're
still young and they're still like they're good and evil,
but they're still learning. Clark's still making mistakes is our era,
Lex is still making mistakes, are filling being drunk, and like,

(46:53):
you know, you know, I always was intrigued with that
that contrast.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It did feel very appropriate to have Lionel and John
then have a final confrontation again. One of the many
mini factors in Jonathan Kin's death there, but they did
it in a very small villa way. There was a
small bull flavor to it. And then yeah, when when
John Schneider leaves, you know, the the show really starts
to drift away from the adult world. If you will,
you still line off for a couple more years of
Martha for one more year, but then you know, you

(47:20):
get to like season eight and it's like, hey, I'm
hanging out with Test Mercer and she older. I don't
know she is, but.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
So any final thoughts, tricks, No, this was a.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
Great one hundredth episode. I look forward to the rest
of where this show is headed. You know, it's just
so weird to think how far it goes after this,
because it really does feel like like another Yeah, it
feels like a turn for the better and a turn
not towards an immediate ending, but but towards a different show.

(47:53):
And it's just it's just not quite what happens. But
there's good stuff to be had in the future too,
So I don't mean to go down that death.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
I guess for me, it made my list. So I've
always loved this episode. Great acting, everybody brought their a game.
I think it brings up very interesting questions and it
starts a very in retrospect and a very interesting art
for Clark. It forces him to learn a very hard lesson.
Everybody has changed from this event. So it's a landmark
episode and mostly most of the time, landmark episodes are

(48:24):
usually very good, and this is no exception.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, last thing for me is I love the song
they used, was it You're beautiful? Right?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Oh that's such a It became such a staple for me,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And they use it as part of like the time loop,
so it's kind of met us and it's like we
used this earlier.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
And they used the nice stuff for the good side
and then like the end is just a.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yes it no way. It was really perfect though, how
they like how they they time exactly right, shrikes, how
they time out where she's like, I need a break
for me from us, but then they have that lyric
would never be with you. It was so good.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
It's so good. Did you guys, I'm sure you probably
already do this. But that that small Ville is what
made that song like popular in the US.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Like it really is that what it did.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
It wasn't known in the US until it was never
played in a TV show or a movie in the
US until Smallville played it. And that's I guess what
made it pop culturally more significant in the US, and
it's still around.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
I feel yes, yeah, I think so yeah.

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Speaker 1 (50:15):
All Right, I hope all you all enjoyed our discussion
on reckoning the one hundredth episode. It's great when they
really deliver on a monumental episode like this, similarly to Homecoming,
which we haven't talked about yet in our top ten,
But stay tuned. Listeners, and you know, at the time again,
for reckoning it, I didn't connect to it the way

(50:35):
I connected to Homecoming, for example, the two hundredth episode.
But with time immaturity, I've really grown to appreciate when
they accomplished with reckoning It really was a culmination and
celebration of everything the show had been leaning up to
at that point. And yes, it's intriguing to play the
what if game of Oh, what if so and so

(50:57):
had died instead of so and so and Lex finding
out the secret as well, which he kind of would
have if they hadn't reset time. Also, I mean, you
heard us talk about it, but wow, that double scene
between Lexilana just says so much and just incredible. Lex
didn't have a lot to do in this episode, but

(51:18):
what he did have to do he nailed. And yeah,
and I've said it before on the podcast proper, but
the fact that Clark told Lana his secret, she died
a day later, or less than a day later, as
he even says in the episode itself, and that would
inform his decision to continue to not tell her for

(51:41):
the next season and a half or so, and continue
to not tell other people because he's seen the consequences
of that, so that would stick with you, and you
know the unified season five theory of Lexmis and Reckoning
working together. It's interesting that they're both here on the
Top ten list, right, so that says something about season five.
So a strong, strong season season five. It's funny, you know,

(52:03):
you look back at when the show was on, I
would have said season five was my favorite season. Now
it's kind of in the high middle the low high
of my season rankings. But at the time, man stuff
was happening and it was epic and we were excited
about it. And so far it's the only season to

(52:25):
have two entries on the Top ten list, but stay tuned,
we'll see if another season could get another entry here
on the Top ten episodes. But as we've been doing,
we've been paying attention to the needle drops the music
of Smallville as it famously used music. So well, this episode,
we're back on board. After not having a Neil drop

(52:47):
pop song in our previous top ten episode entry, Salvation,
we are back with Reckoning. We have You're Beautiful by
James Blunt. That song played twice in this episode, playing
into the time loop, which is it's fun when you
can use things outside of the fiction, right, because they're

(53:07):
not listening to that song. But it puts you, as
the view were back in that same spot when they're
playing the pop song from the beginning of the episode
in the middle of the episode. And you know, as
we said as well, the second time around doesn't go
as well. Between Clark Alatta and we have that verse
never be with you, and that works so well for

(53:30):
the change of the tone that's happened between the first
half of the episode and the middle of the episode.
And You're beautiful. It's a great song. I hear that
as you know, as I'm sure we all do many
of the Smallville songs. Hear it out in public all
the time when you're at the mall or on the radio, right,
So it's a banger. So happy to report that we

(53:52):
were back on board with our needle drops in our
top ten episodes. But again, I hope you all enjoyed
our conversation. Stay tuned next week to find out which
episode is the number four episode of Smallville as voted
by you the listeners. But until then, Always hold on
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