America's Most Haunted Radio Speaks with Paranormal Legend Rosemary Ellen Guiley

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Using opinions of any of the guestsof After Hours AM are not necessarily the
views and opinions of After Hours AM, its hosts, its staff, or
any of its affiliates. Welcome tothe After Hours of program. Man,

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drinks? Bring down out home?What do you mean? Everybody? And

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welcome to this edition of After Hoursa AM. I'm your host and as
always, you know, Joe Sturgisand as always Eric Ericson's here. Hey
man, I just is watching thisvideo out of the corner of my eye
about this derailment. A'm track,Uh yeah, yeah, you can,
but user error hundred and what fivemiles an hour I know for zone I

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know, and the guy that youcould corner it going, you know,
one hundred miles an hour, fiftymiles over the suggested speed limit. Oh
my god, spent more than yeah, more than one hundred percent than the
guy tried to hit the emergency brake. Did this? Did that? Oh
my god? These poor people evidentlyseven or dad several are injured, and

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you know what, they just foundanother body, So now it's eight.
Oh yes, Yeah, I'm justcatching it the corner of my eye,
the stuff that's going on. Oh, eight bodies. Oh. I feel
just horrible, horrible, horrible forthe people. Our hearts and prayers go
out to everybody that's been touched withthis tragedy, and a way we all
have been touched by it because weall have to sit and look at this
carnage. It's awful. It's awful. And the one one of the great

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advantages supposedly of riding on a trainis say, and it's comfortable. Yeah,
supposed to be relatively safe. It'srelatively comfortable. Flying these days is
a miserable nightmare and squeeze do eversmaller, smaller seats and paying more and
more to bring some freaking luck atJohn and you know, just all the

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problems that everyone knows about with flooddriving. You know, driving can be
cool, but it takes a lotof time and effort, and someone's got
to drive, and it's expensive stillgas still it's way down from the peak
of a couple of years ago,but it's still much higher than historical norms.
So you know, there's downside ofthat. So if you want to

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relax and you want to sit thereand read, or you want to do
work, or you want to takea nap, you take the train.
Well, you know, eight peoplewake up dead. There's just no excuse
from user error because this has beengoing on. This is not the first
one. You know, it's speed. It's always speed, and they are
going wait, wait, wait,way over the speed list and constantly.

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Now with you know, eight moredeaths and how are many injuries I don't
even see with the total encount hasbeen a lot, a ton, and
all those people's lives interrupted, andsome of the injuries of the permit,
and you know, just everything thisnightmare is purely a function of user error.
And finally Amtrak is saying that theywill be introducing I even since for

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years, but now they're saying,yes, yes, yes, we're not
kidding. Now we will be introducingh speed limit speed curves, so we'll
not be possible to go above acertain speed. But you know, there's
you can understand the pressure to meetdeadlines, to get somewhere on time.
I'm sure they're usually often running alittle behind. People are complaining, you

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know, so you can see thetendency there. You can see the impetus
behind going too fast, but morethan twice the speed limit. Take a
corner at one hundred miles an hour, I mean, come up. That
is just absolutely begging for disaster,and obviously this time it happened. So

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I really hope they get ahold ofthis because you know, let's face it,
railways travel by rail you know,I don't think the freight side of
it's ever going to go away becauseit's just too convenient and it's cheap.
But as far as travel, passengertravel, especially medium and long distance on
railways, I mean, it's justgone, it's gonna go away. It's

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not safe. If the minimum ofbeing safe and comfortable is not there,
people are just not going to botherno exactly. And have you ever been
on the train? Eric, Haveyou ever taken a long distance trip on
train? I have, but it'sbeen a long time and it's freely think
it's only once that I went,you know, hundreds of miles. I've

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done a couple of shorter distance inCalifornia. I've done the La to San
Diego thing. That's kind of fun, it's sure, But as far as
you know, longer distance, Ithink only once. Yeah, I can't
say I ever have I always eitherdriven or taking an airplane. I can't
ever say I've been on the trainfor any length I mean other than you

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know pleasure, you know, goinglike around the Great Lakes or something,
you know, some type of excursiontrain, but never travel train. This
whole thing is unfolds. The thingof it is is it's it's definitely operator
negligence, you know negligence. Becausehere's the deal is, there's GPS technology
now that could eat they could easilyput inside these trains that would in essence

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be the co pilot and know whenthere's an issue and take its own action
to stop these deal derailments in thefuture. Why they haven't done that yet,
Like you said, I don't know. Yeah, cost cutting, the
iracracy, I don't know. Butit's just there's no excuse with loaves are
at stake, multiple lives are atstake. When you're dealing with the traveling

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public, you really have to doall that you reasonably can. And certainly
setting reasonable speed limbs and enforcing themis reasonable and shouldn't be all that particularly
disruptive or expensive. And hey,if they get behind, they get behind,
like anyone else. You know,you're not allowed to drive one hundred

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miles an hour in a fifty milean hour zone just because you're behind.
Yes, you're just hid and youwant to get there alive. And you
know cars are so dangerous too.I just just came from a meeting.
I just got here from a meetingat my church. Believe it or not,
I'm involved with their trying to bringtheir communications into the twenty first century,

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the website and social media, youknow, just all that stuff.
And actually we've been working on itfor about six months now and things have
improved a lot, still lagging,but things really have improved. Anyway,
Just there, the minister comes inand he's all sad and just now I'm
talking about cars, transportation. Twoeighteen year old kids killed two weeks before

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graduation. Oh man, just happen. It always does. It seems to
happen every year, just this timingyear. I don't know what it is,
but even when I was a kid, it was not uncommon to,
you know, hear about people dyingjust before graduation. It's always sad though,
always sad. And there's two thingsthat I was told as a kid
that always killed. Speed and stupidity. Yeah, and you've learned an awful

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lot. Things are safer now becausethere's just a lot for young drivers,
because of course those are the worstdrivers. Oh absolutely, because there's so
many more restrictions, at least inOhio. You know, between sixteen and
eighteen, you have a lot morerestrictions than you used to have. It's
not just hand you the keys atsixteen and get your license and you're on

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your own. You could do whateveryou want, can't drive at night,
you can't have more than one otherperson in the car, you know.
So they've learned a lot, andthe statistics are better, But of course
statistics are no constellation to the parentsof these two kids. Two eighteen year
old kids, you know, killed, and that is still the number one
killer, even in this day andage when things are supposedly a lot saber

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and cars are a lot saber ofyoung people, of teenagers and young adults,
it's cars. So I'll tell youthe appeal of the self driving car
is growing and growing and growing.And I think, what's going to happen
Back to the railways now, Alot of these people in the Eastern seaboard
and you know, heavily urban areaswhere they do take the trains. You

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know that that's where people take thetrains. It's all up and down the
East coast because the cities aren't farapart. People are going between New York
and Philadelphia and Washington, d C. And Baltimore and up to Boston,
you know, just all up anddown. And I I think when we
do get really reliable, and becauseI've heard they've had like four of these

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crash and testing, they've had fourself driven cars crash so far too,
so you're not all the way thereyet. But when they get them perfected,
I think you're going to see alot of people who currently do take
the train because of the convenience,because you can do something else while you're
riding. You know, you cando work, you can read, you

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can rest. I think you're gonnasee a lot of people are gonna get
these self driving cars instead of takingthe drank. So man, they have
a short window here to get ittogether. Well, you know, I
was gonna say, the self drivingcar take care of a lot of issues,
like you said, and one ofthem A would be the young driver.
It would be like at the veryleast assist and I would have to

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say, DUI would have to godown quite a bit because of you know,
if you're not driving and you hada few few to drink and get
in, you hit the button andyou leave. But nothing is full proof.
I mean, there's still gonna beaccidents, there's still gonna be issues
going on, but we can onlyhope that things get less as we move
forward with technology. It really whenyou're dealing with mass volumes of people.

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We're talking you know, on Earth'sseven and a half billion. In the
US, there's three hundred and whatfifty million now, and Garry, we're
talking about that super densely populated Easternseaboard. It's tens and tens of millions
of people. And all you cando is keep working on improving your statistics.

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You know, it's it seems coldto treat people like statistics, but
I mean, look at the insuranceindustry. I mean you have to know,
you got to do the things thatimprove things for the largest number of
people and keep reducing those those deaths. You know, they are down and
they have improved. Cars are muchmuch much safe than they were forty fifty

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thirty years. Oh yeah, youknow, no question about it. They're
they're much safer. There's a lotof elements that safety elements that they keep
introducing. People are much more inclinedto wear their seatbelts these days, just
simple basic stuff. Well do youremember, Eric, when if you've gotten
a head on collision that was prettymuch one hundred percent feetal most of the

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time. Sure, now right nowpeople getting these head on collisions and they
walk away. It's amazing, andI can only assume it will continue to
improve. Looking at it extremely cynicallyand coldly, you know why, because
the insurance companies wanted to keep improving. Yes, because insurance companies get whatever

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they want. That's the truth ofthe matter right there. It's all about
the insurance institute, you know.I mean, look at look at modern
life, look at look at someof the responsibilities taken away from adults that
used to be. You wouldn't youwouldn't have thought twice about it, but
just you know, the limits puton our lives in the service of safety.

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So, I mean, it's alwaysa trade off between you know,
freedom quote unquote and improving you know, social life in general. In this
case, we're talking about safety.But I mean it's it's the way it
has to be there's kind of noway around it. Well, I mean,
look at the reason why why didthey raise the drinking age, for
instance, from from eighteen to twentyone? Driving of course, you know,

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so driving deaths, drug uh,and just the simple fact that,
you know, the more they findout about young adults, and I'm talking
about mid teens all the way upto thirty. You know, they're saying,
now, especially for men from males, your brain is not fully developed
until you're thirty years old. Ibelieve that. I know because I was

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one of them. Oh I canstill a dumb ass. But well,
yes, yes, yes I INine times out of ten I look at
myself and go, God, I'mstupid. But I am getting better as
I get older, because I dobelieve a wisdom comes to the age.
I think that's true. At leastagainst the wall enough times, eventually you
go, I think I'm not goingto beat my head against it. Exactly.

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Let's not do that anymore. Yeahexactly. But uh, you know,
hopefully that everything gets safer as wemove ahead. Hopefully the people that
lost loved ones on this horrible,horrible amtrack accident they find closure and know
that their loved ones are in betterhands. No, I know it's no
consolation at all, but hopefully theyjust know that their loved ones are in

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a better place. Man, Ijust don't know what to say. There's
just nothing you can say. Therereally isn't all the words. The words
are lacking. Anything I could comeup with is lacking. Yeah, I
mean, in a lot of ways, it's it's kind of the worst sort
of accident because the drivers are excuseme, I mean, the passengers have
no control, They have no sayin the matter, nothing they could sad

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or done. But it made thetiniest bit of difference. Their lives are
literally in the hands of that youknow, conductor and the guy driving the
train. And the fact is soso it wasn't their fault. You know,
you can It doesn't make any easier, but there's a little bit of

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you know, it makes some differencefor some reason. I don't know if
if at least the reason that somethinghappened was caused by the person it happened
too, doesn't make it any betterfor the family. You don't miss him
any less, but at least youknow, all right, well, the
reason that happened was, you know, the person who suffered did something dumb

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or thoughtless, or they were justreally unlucky. But in this case,
I mean, they had no input, they had no control, was completely
out of their hands, and theaccident itself was one hunder egregious user error.
You know, you don't go doublethe speed limit around a bend and

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try to take a corner at doublethe speed limit. I don't care what
vehicle you're driving, and I don'tcare what the speed limit is. I
mean, it's there for a reasonexactly if it's there, if it's fifty
miles an hour, that it hasbeen tested, you know, because I
mean, my goodness, you knowthey've done that, and they're saying the
maximum speed that you can take thiscorner at is fifty miles an hour.

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Well, I'll tell you I wouldbelieve it. I would believe it too.
They've obviously tested it, and they'verun simulations, I hope to god
simulations not actually put trains out thereand see what happens. But they've probably
done their due diligence and done allthe simulations and said, okay, this
curve fifty miles an hour, andthat's it. If you want to go
slower, that's even better. Fiftymiles and hours the max. And when

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you have hundreds and hundreds of people'slives in your hand, you know,
it's no different from being a pilotof a of an airliner, you know.
I mean, it's an enormous responsibility. They should be the people driving
these trains should have all of thesame testing and responsibility and have, you
know, have to pass everything.I think that an airline pilot, No,

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I would really agree, wholeheartedly agreethat's what should be. It should
be more stringent, should be thesame checks and balances as airline pilot.
They really should have that in placebecause, if not more, because there's
actually more people on the train thanthere is on any airplane. Oh sure,

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yes, absolutely so, since we'realready halfway through that half hour,
do we want to get into alittle something like a little lighter heart,
you know what? That? AndI just wanted to touch on something really
quick. I saw I saw adocumentary about the rock band Rush. I
was never a Rush fan, butI watched their documentary. Damn they were

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good, and they are good ofa certain kind of band. They're in
the tippy tippy tippy top best,there's no question about it. The question
is, you know, is thata kind of music that you're interested in.
It's kind of a it's it's it'sat the intersection of prog rock and
metal. Yes, exactly, theycome together and there's a lot of very

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interesting I am kind of like wewere talking the other day about The Grateful
Dead, I'm in the middle.I'm not a deadhead. I'm not a
rushhead, but neither am I Antiand I certainly understand, you know,
the musical appeal and musical value ofRush, and you know, probably they're
they're real sweet spot is not exactlymy musical sweet spot. I like,

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I'm more song oriented. They're morelong form oriented, though certainly not only.
They got plenty of just song songsand that and their song songs tend
to be what I like best.And if you go back far enough,
I loved that very very first album, which is when they were still kind
of a pretty much just a hardrock, you know, slash metal band.

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I thought they were amazing. Youknow, Getty Lee's voice, it's
something that may get on your nerves. Yeah, it's a quired taste,
you know, maybe after a whileago. Yep, that's enough of that
voice. The only song. Theonly song can actually tell you I know
is Tom Sawyer. Yeah, that'sprobably their biggest hit. They're early hits,

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that very very very first album whenthey even had a different drummer.
They didn't even have Neil Pirt yet, so he didn't have that whole element
of it. And you know,he's their main lyricist, and he he's
certainly is the one who did allthe sci fi stuff and all the more
rock opera kind of stuff besides beingthis, you know, legendary drummer.
But you know working Man was ahuge hit on their very first album.

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Yeah, well, well that thedrummer is very much a recluse too.
He's not an out front kind ofguy. Neil pert or the original no
Neil Perk. The original guy leftbecause he had diabetes. Oh yeah,
according he was on the only thefirst two albums. I think according to
the documentary he had really he hadjuvenile diabetes and uh, basically being on

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the road and living that lifestyle,it was not good for his health.
And so they made a decision todrop him, respectfully drop him. He
wasn't kicked out or anything. Theydropped him and they got Neil Pert in.
But I'll tell you what. He'sa very much a recluse, this
Neil Perk. He doesn't he doesn'ttalk to any buddy. He doesn't really
grant a lot of interviews. Hein fact, he hates it when he's

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recognized. Type is weird. Well, there are people like that. It's
it's kind of a wanting your cakeand eating a two kind of situation.
Because obviously, if you choose tobe in the field of popular entertainment,
or even if you view it asthe arts, and I see it as

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both. You know, popular musicis both popular entertainment and it's it's certainly
art as well as far as I'mconcerned. But if you're in those fields,
I mean, you gotta realize thatif you're successful, in my god,
why do it If you don't wantto be successful exactly the largest number

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of people that you can. Then, look, people are gonna recognize you,
and people are gonna look up toyou, and people are gonna emulate
you and see you as a rolemodel. And sure, I get it.
You know, life, that kindof life can be very very intrusive.
It can make it very difficult tolive of a quote unquote normal life.

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But look, there's an awful lotof people even in the absolute belly
of the beast, Hollywood. Youknow, yeah, major stars, people
who live in Hollywood, who livedthat lifestyle. They're able to keep a
relatively normal, you know, personallife. Put effort into it, but

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they're able to do it. SoI'm sure a Canadian drummer, even a
very famous drummer, can probably aboy a whole lot of interaction with people,
But I don't think he should berestentful about it. It happens,
well, yeah, you would thinkthat I was surprised he was the way
he was, to be honest withyou, I wasn't really expecting a guy,

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a world class drummer like this,to not want to embrace his public
so to speak. You would thinkthat he would be a little more out
there. But hey, you know, I'm not living that life, so
I don't know. I don't.I know. They broke up for like
five years and they came back together. But anyhow, that's a good flick.
Get a chance to watch it.Go watch the Rush documentary. It's

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on the old Netflix. Give ita watch. You might have a different
opinion of the band and you're done, or you might still go be going.
Nah, they still suck. Imean you could be. You know,
it seems to be two camps,those that love them those that hate
them. Yeah, And I'm intweet because I recognize that they are outstanding

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musicians and they are utterly dedicated,you know, to the band and to
their fans. They've always had avery very very strong relationship with their fans.
Again, something of the Grateful Deadelement there though, of course nothing
alike musically, but in terms oftheir relationship with their fans and that report

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and the way they're revered. Likeyou say, there's a lot of people
out there who absolutely love their theirfavorite band. I knew a guy friend
of mine who just died. Unfortunately, he was about my age. He
was sickly though, kind of hiswhole adult life, so it wasn't real
unexpected. It was in some ways, I suppose, something of a miracle

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he lived as long as he did. But anyway, he rush. He
was very very involved with music.In fact, he was the founder and
he was the original leader of theCleveland Music Groups. He was dealing with
real kind of indie sorts of fansat country stuff already stuff, and his
favorite band in the entire world alwaysnever changed for one moment it was Rush.

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I don't know, you know what. I always kind of viewed them
as nerd rock. They're a littlebit math rocky, you know, it's
it's it's rhythm based. He's nota rhythm drummer, but he's an instrumental
bro. He's a lead drummer,you know what I mean, Yeah,
exactly, he plays the drums likea lead instrument and whereas someone like Keith

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Moon of the who was also alead drummer, but he was a very
rhythmic lead drummer. So that's thedifference there. You know, he's not
heart is not about keeping the beatper se. You know, he's about
playing a lot of freaking notes andcreating um. You know, this whole

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other subworld within their music that iscush based, and that's cool. But
if you're if you're rhythmically oriented,which I am for I love that beating,
you know, because a DJ onand off for you know, my
whole life, I'm out in clubsplaying records, people are dancing. Even

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the bands I've been in have alwaysbeen kind of dance oriented, you know,
dance rock and just going funk andall that kind of good stuff.
So I am inclined that way.But still I know enough, and I'm
enough of a music fan across theboard. I know what tremendous musicians they
are, how dedicated they are,and there's plenty of the me that I

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like. I'm not totally inclined tosit there and listen to Oh God,
No no Oh. By the way, a lot of you have commented on
my musical journey learning how I playthe guitar. I did find a new
tool in the old quest to becomean axe man of all things. Eric.

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Get this. It's a video gamecalled rock Smith. Yeah. You
actually plug your real guitar into yourwhatever system you own, and you actually
have to play the guitar to thegame as it were, which makes it
actually really fun, really exciting todo, and it forces you to play,

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yeah, to keep going and goingand going to do it right.
So it's actually been a really goodtool. So anyone that's trying to learn
how to play the guitar pick uprock Smith. It's I would definitely endorse
this. Well, I was notaware of that, and imagine one of
the things it's really hard for anew player of any instrument. It is
keeping that rhythm, maintaining that rhythm, and if you're plugged into a game,

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that's forcing you to keep that rhythm. So that is excellent. Yeah,
so if Lily, your daughter islooking for a good tool, look
into it. It actually works reallywell, absolutely well. That is excellent
to know. I'm pleased to hearit. I was skeptical going age.
You know, we live in theage where the tools are out there.
You still have to put in thetime and effort. That's never gonna go

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away. It's never gonna be donefor you. But I'll tell you there's
never been a better time as faras the tools that are available to learn
any instrument, including singing. Well, exactly they claim. Now this little
tool I called a tool other peoplecalled a game, claims all right on
their packaging that you will learn toplay the guitar fluently within sixty days.

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Well, I'm sure you'll know somethingthat's a little quickly, because today this
isn't very long. Look, letme give you an example, give you
a pounder example. And I wasin high school. Um, you know,
I was in a band, kindof one band or another the whole

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time, So I think was mysenior year, I met a kid and
you're always jamming, you know.Oh, I met a new guitar player.
I'm gonna go over to his house. We're gonna jam. We're to
see what we know. Can weplay together, you know, hanging out
jamming, having fun. So Igo over to this kid's house. He's
a little bit younger. I thinkhe was two years younger, and he

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had and I did not have highexpectations because he wasn't pretending anything. He'd
been playing for a year, right, and a year probably isn't all that
long for certainly for the typical personpicking up an instrument the year a year
isn't too long too far along.Well, what I didn't know and what

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he didn't tell me until after wewere sitting there jamming, and I'm like,
my god, this kid is freakingJimmy Hendrix. You played three hours
a day for a year. Damnevery day, three hours for a year.
Did you do that? You'll begood. Oh yeah, then you
can may hit that sixty day mark. But absolutely, you played three hours

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a day every day, you willget far pretty quickly because you're not only
putting in the time, but you'renot allowing the gaps, so you're not
forgetting anything because you're going every day, every day, every day. Even
if one day, if you hadone day we off, even would not
get nearly as far because you justwould have that one day where your brain

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took a break and you you gobackwards a little bit, you know,
ye, yep, exactly. That'show it works, specially is to get
older. Sure. But a lastthing I'll say about that part of it,
or about this in gentle but thatpart of it. You know,
I didn't play much at all abouttwenty five actually closer to three years.
I didn't come back to it untilabout five years ago, five years ago,

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and I had really come back toit to more or like three years
ago. I was just still kindof fooling around for two or three years
before I really really said, allright, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna
get back into it, I'm gonnaget back into it. But you know
what I found coming back to it, huh much much more musical person.
I have a much greater sense ofwhat it means to be musical and not

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just play everything as fast as youpossibly can or as loud as you possibly
can, and and nuance counts,and melodicism counts, and I just have
a much better sense of the wholehistory of music, the whole totality,
that big, huge circle that envelopsall of music history. I've been alive
that much longer. So I'll betyou in many ways you're better off now

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than you would have been twelve yearsago. Yes, your eye, hand
coordination, your dexterity may have beena little bit twenty years ago, and
mine was, you know, thirtythirty five years ago, A little bit.
Anyway, I am much more musicalnow, and overall, there's no
question I am a much more valuablecontributor to a band than I was thirty

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years ago. Good point man,good point age, and wisdom again comes
right around. We gotta run abreak, we come back. Rosemary Allen
Guiley would be joining us. Henot gonna go anywhere. We're talking ghosts,
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your host, Joel Sturgis, andwith me as always, Eric Wilson,
Eric Olson is here with me andtonight, Eric, Who do we have
on tap? We have the legendaryparanormal legend. And when we say paranormal,
we mean it in the broadest possiblesense. This is a woman who
literally draws together essentially every disproved angleof the paranormal world and somehow brings them

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together under one very intelligent and clevertent. To my amazement, the legendary
Rosemary Ellen Guilely, author of notten thirty fifty, but sixty books dealing
with the paranormal, the spirit world, mystical things. She's dot it all.

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I mean, talk about a renaissancewoman in the paranormal world, that
would be Rosemary. Rosemary, Wow, where do you Okay, first have
to ask you, where do youfind the time? Well, I'm you
know, I don't have a goodanswer to that, Joel. I've been
writing my entire life. In fact, I think I came out of the

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womb writing. I mean, that'syou know, it's so much a part
of me. But I did trainas a journalist when I was in college,
and that was very good training fordoing research and being able to write
things very quickly. And I havealways been pretty much a first draft writer.

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What you see in the books thatare printed, that's the way it
comes into my head and out onthe keyboard, with very little editing,
not bragging or saying, you know, things are perfect, but I can
pull the geather information very quickly.And then on top of that, I'm
so fascinated by all of the thingsthat I research that I just gobble them

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up. And I have more bookson my two do list than I can
write at any given time. Andnow that I'm out on the road quite
a bit, uh, it's it'shard to keep up my real prolific schedule.
But I still manage to get atleast a couple out every year.
While you know, to be afirst draft writer like that, that is

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a real talent. You don't hearthat a lot. It's a gift.
I'm telling you. I am exactlyon degrees opposite. I am a slow,
laborious writer, and I rewrite andI go over and I do it
over and over and over, andI need it, and eventually I'm happy

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with it and I'm proud of it, and I'm certainly proud of the for
example, America's Most time Book.Everyone go by it right now, thank
you. But uh, you know, took the year and a half to
do one book. Well, someof my books have taken several years,
but they've usually been the big ones, like encyclopedias. But you know,
I know what you mean that ittakes a lot of time to do a

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really good book. There's a lotof research, and sometimes it's the research
that sucks up all the time,and the writing is you know, it
falls into place a little more easily. Some of my books come together very
quickly, and some of them Ireally spend years on. So I have
so many things in the pipeline atany given time that something is coming to

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closure and fruition at any given time, as well as the ongoing research and
the new research. And let's justbasically you're not writing about you know,
knitting here were These are deep,deep subjects. Yes, you know,
I've been following these all my life. I've been fascinated by these topics,

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paranormal, mystical, spiritual, UFOsand everything in between since I was a
kid, and I've also been avoracious reader all of my life too,
so my professional life was kind ofa natural outgrowth of this. Although originally

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I intended to be a novelist,I was intent on doing paranormal or fantasy
fiction, and in fact I didwrite some novels and short stories which were
all published under pseudonyms. And itwas an editor who back in the early
nineteen eighties who got me into nonfiction. And of course I could do nonfiction

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having been a journalist and an editor, so I thought I was going to
take a short break and write afew nonfiction books on the paranormal and then
go back to fiction, and Inever went back. There was such a
demand in publishing for books on thesetopics that as soon as I was done

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with one, I was asked,well, you know, what are we
going to do next, and whendo you think you can deliver it?
So for many years I just literallywent from one book to another, and
I worked for multiple publishers because noone publishing house could keep up with me.

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I was too publishing. Well that'sa good problem to have, though,
right absolutely, I do feel very, very blessed and now I'm an
independent publisher and I published most ofmy work myself, and I really like
being an independent and I am takingon work. I'm co authoring more things

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with other writers, and at somepoint I will expand to publish works written
by other people. But right nowI'm focusing on my own work and it's
wonder full to be able to controlthe product from start to finish. And
I have a team of professionals thatI work with for the design and the
cover and the printing. So that'sa whole new challenge in the last few

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years to become an author publisher,and there are many people like me doing
it. The whole field has reallychanged. Oh it seems like everyone's writing
a book, but very few canwrite with the skill that you bring to
the table. Another writer that Ilike to read is Brad Steiger, and
so you and him pretty much havethe corner on the paranormal book writing,

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you know, as far as longevityand just volume out there. Brad is
also very prolific, and we docover the same topics and our work complements
each other very nicely, and I'vealways enjoyed Brad's work. How many have
you done under your visionary living inprint? How many books? I've got

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about a dozen in hard print,and then there's about another four or five
books that are just ebooks only.So it's getting getting up there. And
I have another one coming out inthe next few weeks. It's a new
Angel book. I'm also reissuing someof my older works that have gone out

(43:22):
of print, and I have afew of those out. I'm revising them
and updating them and then bringing themback, which is a nice option when
you're an independent because a lot oftimes publishers don't like to do those things,
even though the material is still relevantand the audience still wants to read
books like that. They have theiryou know, their bean counters who feel

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books have their their life cycles,and you know, when they're done with
it, they're done with it.So they're all about moving forward. Well,
publishing is now very much dependent uponturnstile customers. You know. The
chains really set that in motion acouple of decades ago, maybe a little

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longer than that, where in orderto keep customers coming into the store.
Unlike the independent booksellers who relied onloyal audiences who wanted to browse and get
advice and have you know, bookstorekind of cater to their interests. The

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chains are all about turnover, sure, and to do that then it shortens
the lifespan of a lot of books, with the exception of books that are
you know, just really huge bestsellers. Well exactly, you walk into
any Barnes and Noble and you canjust feel the turnstile how fast just by

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what their product is. I mean, every time you walk in it's a
new book, because it seems likeit's constantly turning over, and unfortunately,
it makes it tough for a lotof authors to establish an audience and a
track record. The field has changedso much since I got into the business
as a full time author. Istarted in nineteen eighty three full time,

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and prior to that, when Iwas working as in various jobs as a
writer and editor, I freelanced onthe side and I wrote books on the
side, and it was a muchdifferent market and industry. And the Internet
has has driven a lot of sales. And that's another thing too that makes

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it possible for so many people toget books out, is because ebooks have
become popular. Yet allows for selfpublishing too with the new e book format.
But you know, like like youwere mentioning, Joel, it's there
are a lot of books out therethat probably shouldn't be written just because people
can. And so there's there's areal glo of ebooks on the market now.

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And fortunately, having built up anaudience for many years, it's a
very good way for me to distributebooks. But if I was brand new,
just starting out, well, itwould be a daunting field. Well,
I was going to say, thepublisher must love the ebook aspect,
because really it's just one copy theyhave to worry about. They don't have

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to send anything to print. It'sinstant, it's just copied all the time
and downloaded. Well, this isone thing that drove a lot of authors
away from publishers, is that theebook market took off and it's still growing
and it outpaces most hardcover sales.And it's just pure gravy for the publishers.

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You know, they pay someone toupload a book once they don't have
to print ship warehouse, and inthe typical greed of any industry that has
had a stranglehold on distribution, theyhave wanted the lion share of that money,
which is not fair to authors.And so sorry, I would be

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agreeing with you. Oh yeah,And so many authors have just said,
well, I think I can dothis myself and thank you, I'll keep
all the profits. Well, sure, I mean, that's that'd be the
only sensible thing. I mean asan author, I'm not one, but
as an author, that's that wouldbe the way I'd approach it too.
I'd look at the thing as ahole and go, whoa, We'll hold

(47:31):
on here. If I can selfpublish and keep one hundred percent of the
revenue, why would I want togo through you where you take seventy percent
of the revenue and I get onlylike twenty percent. And it's it's even
more and more lopsided now than whenI started in the early nineteen eighties.

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But here's one of the main reasonswhy I like this market now and my
ability to be an independent in itis information moves so fast these days,
and largely thanks to the Internet andglobal media and so researching all of these
topics, I'm able now to getthe latest information out far far faster than

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a publisher, which plans two tothree years in advance for most titles,
and sometimes if they're in a hurry, they might get it out in a
year. That's after you've written it. But now, once I'm done with
a book, I can research writeit on my own time schedule, and

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I can get that book out throughproduction in a couple of months. So
it makes for a lot more timelyinformation. And there are a lot of
exciting things going on in the paranormalworld, and I think people do appreciate
being able to have current information.Well that feel to study is not in

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a vacuum like you said, it'sconstantly moving in. There's constantly something new,
So as an author, you gotto not someone scramble, but you
always have to keep your eyes lookingforward what's coming next, so you can
hit while the iron's hot, soto speak. There's always developments, and
I have my fingers in many pies, as you know from all the books

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I've written. You know the Ato Z in all of these topics,
and I have certain areas of specialization. But because of the interconnectedness of all
of these phenomena and experiences, Ithink it's important to keep up to date
as best as possible. In theparanormal, the merging between metaphysics and science,

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Developments concerning consciousness, cryptozoology, uphology, afterlife studies, spirit communications.
These are all areas that I workin quite a bit. In dreams.
That's another big area for me too. And it's all you have to do
is go on the Internet every dayand there's just a flood of information.

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Oh yeah, and it gets biggerand bigger every day. And there's also
like new phenomena out there, likethe black Eyed children, which popped up
really out of nowhere the last coupleof years. And so it's that kind
of stuff that keeps moving and goingthe different directions. Yeah, well,
you know, let's just take theblack eyed kids as an example. It

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really that phenomenon wasn't documented very muchuntil about the nineteen eighties, and then
all of a sudden there were rashesof stories of people encountering these children,
these demonic like children with solid blackeyes, and then having bad effects from
having contact with them. And yetthey seem to be the latest manifestation of

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very old phenomena. And I thinkthis happens to us a lot, where
the entities who have the shape shiftingability and the desire to interfere with us,
they either get bored with certain forms, or they think people get bored
or jaded, and so they shapeshift onto something new, and so researchers

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really have to look at a largecontext, a historical context of things,
to be able to put the latestinto perspective. And I've been encountering more
cases of black eyed kids and blackeyed adults myself, and they tie into
the gym the shadow people. Theyare even et contact in UFO angles to

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this phenomenon as well. Oh,I see, I did not know about
the et end of it because Ihaven't fallen at real close. I've got
a few emails or people describe theirsituation. My biggest question is this,
though stayed on this topic of theblack eyed kids, this is the age
of the smartphone and cameras. Youwould think that someone somewhere would have video

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of an accounter. It's just notcuriosity. Well, frankly, a lot
of these other dimensional things are notall that easy to capture on camera.
And I've looked at over the yearsthousands and thousands of anomalous photos and video

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clips, and I've certainly seen manythat defy natural explanation. But it's very
unusual to see and photograph something atthe same time. You either perceive it
or you don't perceive it, andsomehow your camera captures it, and you

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can take thousands and thousands of photographsin intensely active areas and never get a
single unusual photograph. Sure, andthen other times, you know, you
snap a few photographs and there's somethingvery unusual in it. I also think
that a lot of these very craftybeings who are pestering and interfering with people,

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they have the ability not to showup. They don't want to be
seen. They are really hidden,and when we do manage to capture them,
there might be the occasional accidental photograph. But sometimes they think they allow
themselves to be captured just as away of scaring or confounding us. But

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you know, they're vibrating at differentrates of speed and they're not really fully
in this dimension, so that wouldyou know, So they allow themselves,
in your estimation, to be tobe photographed once in a while just to
kind of keep the interest there,like, oh my god, look at
this photo. I mean, thatkind of thing going on, which would
make perfect sense. It makes alot of sense to me, And I

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don't think that accounts for all photographs, of course, but considering how elusive
some of these phenomena and entities arewe either don't have the right technology to
get them in a reliable way,or they have ways of making themselves invisible

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to our equipment. But with theadvent of digital photography, we've seen an
increase in anomalous photographs. I thinksome of it is the fact that digital
photography means more people are out theretaking photographs. Sure, but film.
When cameras were just strictly film,it was very rare to get an excellent

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anomalous photograph, and it's much morecommon now, and I predict that it
will become increasingly common. I dothink that as our technology advances, and
also our consciousness, because our consciousnessinteracts with our equipment. There is machine
consciousness, and our consciousness interacts withthese other interdimensional realms as well, and

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that affects what happens with our equipment. So I predict that in the future
we'll get an increase in evidence andbetter evidence. I sure hope, so
hopefully one day we will have that, you know, the Rosetta stone of
evidence that unlocks everything for us,so we all can go, Okay,

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now we really see how things work, you know, that's really what you
know, it's the holy grail forall of us in this business, you
know, looking for that rock hardevidence that's irrefutable. And yeah, and
we have piles and piles of it, wonderful evidence, but still science demands

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another kind of protocol that the paranormaljust really resists. And when I was
researching afterlife studies several years ago,I did a book with George Norri called
Talking to the Dead about technology forreaching into the afterlife, and it was
so apparent in that area where somany researchers have tried to prove survival after

(56:25):
death and describe the afterlife, notjust through mediumistic communications, which are very
compelling, but through some sort ofhard evidence, you know, via equipment,
voice, and or photograph. Andno matter what researchers have come up

(56:45):
with since we've had high technology,which is about one hundred and fifty years
now, science says it's not goodenough because it can't be controlled in strict
laboratory conditions, can't be replicated ondemand, and curiously, even the public

(57:05):
tends to be rather uneasy with it. And I think with the afterlife,
even though people say they would liketo know that we survived death and that
there is an afterlife. I thinka lot of people, deep down inside
are afraid of the proof because whatif it negates everything they've been taught in

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church, sure thing they believe personally, and so we want to know,
but we don't really want to know. It's the whole fear. It's the
fear of okay, if we uncoverit is everything Like you said that I
was taught as a kid. Doesit still hold up or do you have
to throw it all away? WhichI think it's a lot of It comes

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down to opinion as well. Obviouslythere is an afterlife. I mean,
that's no question. There's something morethan what meets that we all can agree
on that. If you ask prettymuch anyone in the world barring atheists of
course, or a someone that staunchlyno, you know, skeptics or rather
cynics, If you say, hey, do you believe in an afterlife?

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Most of us say yes, butwe all wanted to be the streets of
Gold going to heaven a lot ofus or you know, the traditional heaven
route. And then there's a bunchof us to say, well, it
might be what you make it.And then there's a whole another camp of
a whole another theory that's to meoutlandish but to others not so outlandish.

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Where does that all fall in yourestimation, Rosemary word, Where does the
dust really settle on this? Well? Interestingly, what the dead have to
say about the afterlife really doesn't upholda lot of stuff that we're taught in
church, and I'm saying any church. And that's something that kind of gets

(58:55):
swept under the rug a loot.I been doing working on a meta analysis
of communications from the other side,going back to the days of spiritualism and
when there were concerted efforts to contactthe dead in order to prove the afterlife.

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And you do find some communications thatuphold certain religious tenants, but by
and large they all say that theafterlife is much different than what we're taught
in church. There's no eternal heavenor hell, there's no final judgment by
an authoritative being. There are lifeassessments, and that the afterlife is very

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fluid, and it's like all ofour spiritual traditions and religions see pieces of
the afterlife, but not the wholepicture. So I think we're all kind
of fundamentally on the same page.But when it comes to religion, people
can get very rigid. Oh yes, absolutely, And anything that challenges religion

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is a potential bomb boom. Yeah, Religion is that slippery slope, you
know. I mean, it's theultimate slippery slope in a lot of ways.
Well, that's why religion tends tobe so dogmatic, because once you

(01:00:34):
allow it to be chipped way aboutthe edges, it's very easy for the
whole fall apart. Sure, andthat makes total sense, perfect sense.
But Rosemary, we gotta run tobreak. But we come back, guys
more, Rosemary Alan Guiley, andwe will be asking about the ever dreaded
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(01:04:06):
host, Jules. Here's this alongwith me and Eric Man. What a
show we have missed Rosemary Ellen Guileeon tonight and we are talking. Well,
first, you're talking all things publishing, because I find that fascinating as
well how the inner workings of theindustry works. But also we're gonna shift
now into the paranormal. Now,Eric, you're no slouch either. You've

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written America's most Haunted the book.Now, when we were talking about how
the afterlife works, I tend toagree with Rosemary. I think there's more
to it than anyone really realizes,more than our churches might have told us.
Or maybe it's a lot of confusion. But the biggest popular thing that's
out there right now that I hearabout ninety nine percent of time is this

(01:04:51):
Darnuigi board thing, Rosemary. It'slike coming back to the surface. Are
Wegi boards evil or are they good? Or what's the deal with them?
I've always considered the Ouiji board tobe a neutral device. It's a tool,
and tools can be used in properways and improper ways. I've used

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a Wuigi board off and on sinceI was a kid, and even though
I've had negative communicators come through fromtime to time, I've never really had
an experience that put me off usingthe board. It's not a very speedy
way to communicate. But that beingsaid, plenty of people do have problems,

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and it seems that there are lowlevel entities that are very easy to
contact via the board. They masqueradeas friends or ghosts of the dead or
whatever they think will appeal to aperson, and they can cause a lot

(01:05:54):
of havoc, you know, anywherefrom just being annoying tricksters to really taking
over person's life. If a personbecomes obsessive with using the board, and
that's where a lot of people startto have problems, is they become so
fascinated with Luigi that they start spendingmore and more time with it and to

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the point where they're working the boardby themselves, and that enables entities to
gain a foothold with them. Sothere are plenty of problems, that's for
sure. I agree with you thatit's a tool, and you have to

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know that any tool has While youmanipulate a tool like any other tool,
the tool also manipulates you, andI think people do need to be aware
of that and not just blithely rightup, it's just a toy. I
bought it in the toy section.How bad can it be? Well,

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because it is a means of communication. It is a tool. It's a
real tool, and you can useit in a way that is not toy
like, and so people do needto realize that anytime there's a communication attempted
communication. Anytime you open up theportal, so to speak, that you
need to be aware of that certainlynegative things can come through, and having

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done so then may be difficult toget rid of, you know what.
I wanted to bring up that kindof ties into this though, though certainly
any other thoughts on Luigi Board I'dbe happy to hear. But I just
was absolutely enraptured with your presentation atthe Paranormal Weekend, and you were focused

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on kind of the negative side ofhauntings, negative side of the paranormal,
and you focused in on Gin anda lot of people just may not know
kind of anything at all about whatthey are. They may think it's purely
an Islamic type thing, that it'sa religious thing, or the names,
you know, a genie from Aladdin. So if you would care to get
into that topic, I just foundthat amazing, and it became the Gin

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became sort of a center point forthis entire alternative world that you wove with
amazing ability and skill. A goodchunk of my work for the past few
years has focused on what I callpersistent negative hauntings, and these are situations
where people seem to be plagued bymalevolent entities, and they have a very

(01:08:33):
difficult time expelling them from their environmentor their personal space, or both.
And the long and short of itis a little over ten years ago,
I started researching shadow people because Iwas getting a lot of reports of those,

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these bedroom invaders, dark silhouettes showingup in people's bedrooms and throwing off
all this malevolent energy. And inthe course of my research, shadow people
led me to Gin, these entitiesthat I was already familiar with, and
the pool broadened out from there substantially. But Gin are not very well known

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in the West. They're known justabout everywhere in the world, either by
that name or by other names,and yet the West about the only awareness
we have of them is on popculture and entertainment, the Genie and the
bottle. But they are far morethan that. They're very powerful entities.

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They exist in another dimension that istied to the Earth, so they share
the Earth with us, and theypreceded us on the planet. They're shape
shifters. They're supernaturally more powerful thanwe are, and many of them don't
like us for a variety of reasons, one of which is that we took
over a planet and they got pushedout. Interesting, you know, I'm

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reading really quick. I do knowa little bit about the Gin, but
they do. They are one ofthe few entities that true. They also
a free will. They do,and they're like us, the good,
the bad, and the ugly.You know, you can't categorize them as
all having a single mind and purpose. There are nice ones, good ones,

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bad ones, evil ones, Andthey have families, societies. They
have their own world, and theydo have free will, and in fact,
they can adopt any religion they want. They probably have their own religion,
but if they want to associate withhuman beings so well, it's well
known in Gin lore that they canadopt any human religion as their own too.

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Some of them will attach to peoplein order to become their companions.
It's not really it's usually not abeneficial relationship. It winds up being rather
manipulative at some point. But theGin can cause a lot of damage,
and they can haunt a place,create poltergeist disturbances, mental oppression. Some

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of them will sexually attack people inwhat we would call an incubus or succubus
fashion. They are these shadow people. That's one of the forms they take
where they come and terrify people,and I believe it's to get life force
energy off the human beings. Manyentities will find ways to draw off life

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force energy. It benefits them.It gives them energy to manifest and stay
longer in our reality. And soif you completely surprise and terrorize someone,
and when most people are extremely terrifiedwhen they see these things in their bedroom,

(01:12:01):
the automatic reaction is this adrenaline burst. You know, it's fight or
flight and sleep paralysis might be partof it. People will be paralyzed in
bed and then just brimming with adrenalinefor wanting to escape. And this provides
a lot of energy that I thinkthese these entities use. They're also wrapped

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up in the et abduction scenario theyparticipate in that I think they account for
many mysterious creatures because of the waythey shape shift. And so the bottom
line is, I think they've beeninvolved with all kinds of human supernatural experiences
throughout the ages, including ancient aliens, gods, and demigods. So do

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you think a lot of these aremistaken for demons in our culture? Yes,
although it may be hard to drawa line between what is a demon
or a Gin. From the perspectiveof Gin, demons are a manifestation of
Gin. It's just another one oftheir shape shifted forms, and it's the

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wicked ones causing a problem. Butin our culture and Christianity, we have
this concept of what I term thesatanic demon, that these are all lieutenants
of the arch fiend, a conceptwhich really didn't develop until centuries on into
Christianity, and that their sole purposeis to push people into evil acts that

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get their souls condemned to Hell.And on the Gin side of things,
the motives are much broader. Someof them just want to mess around with
us. Some of them want touse us and manipulate us. Some of
them are like that demonic in nature, where it is sort of a perversion
of the soul goal that they're after. They tend to have a more what's

(01:14:06):
in it for me sort of attituderather than all being part of a monolithic
plan to send people to hell.Interesting. Is there a way to guard
against them or is it just oneof those things? The influences of the
spirit world are far more extensive thanmost people realize. However, I don't

(01:14:31):
think we should take the attitude thatthey're responsible for everything that goes bad in
life, you know, like thedevil made me do it sort of thing.
But many people have thin boundaries,and they also go through very troubled
periods in their lives where they aremore vulnerable from a spirit perspective, and

(01:14:55):
so they might attract an opportunistic entitythat is able to affect them at least
for a while while they are ina rather unstable condition. So I think
all of us encounter some sort ofspirit engagement during the course of life,
and it may be beneficial. Youknow, having a relationship with angels,

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for example, invites a beneficial spiritinfluence into your life for the purpose of
advancing and getting good guidance and thingslike that. But what protects most people
is your aura. This is theenvelope of energy that's around you. And

(01:15:40):
things like having a spiritual center offocus, a spiritual life whatever it is,
any religion, any spiritual path,as long as it connects you to
something great, transcendent, something greaterthan yourself, and meditation every day,
you know, following high spiritual moralsand ethics, you know, those sorts

(01:16:05):
of things. Those are natural protectionsthat make it very difficult if not impossible
for negative entities to interfere. Sometimespeople can have problems if they move into
the wrong location, and they mightbe leading just fine, upstanding lives,

(01:16:25):
but they move into a house thatsits on a very active piece of property
that is occupied by powerful beings whodon't like people there some of them,
and then they can can be infor kind of a rough ride as long
as they're on the property. Andthen there are other individuals who are perfectly
fine, they're you know, nothaving any trouble in their lives, but

(01:16:50):
they're born with what I call psychicDNA. You know, that is there's
some unknown factor in their consciousness thatmakes the spirit world attracted to them,
and that they have many interactions withthe spirit world throughout their life, both
good and bad, and for themit's often a problem of trying to shut

(01:17:16):
it off. Sure, so justa whole host of variables and wild cards
and all of these mixes. Sothe spirit world, the afterlife, the
paranormal, it's not as black andwhite as heaven and hell. It seems
to be a very arena full ofcolor and different shades of gray and shades

(01:17:39):
of light. I mean, justnothing is that cut and dry. It
really isn't. And I've often saidthat the paranormal is not a pie chart.
You know, there aren't these neat, little slices that you can lift
out and say, you know this, this is something concrete. It's a
very blurry world. There's a lotof shape shifting going on, and researchers

(01:18:04):
in any any of these fields willtell you that, you know, as
soon as you think you've you've landedon definitive answers and information, things have
a way of morphing or shape shiftingor sliding into something else. I've certainly
found that to be the case,that one thing just keeps leading to another,

(01:18:30):
and there doesn't seem to be anyend to a lot of these inquiries.
So whether or not we will everfind the odds behind the curtain is
a good question. Some people thinkthe gin or the odds behind the curtain,
but there might be something behind thegin as well, and that goes
you know, you mentioned the afterlife. Also, our concepts of the afterlife

(01:18:55):
are very fluid, and in fact, the dead communicate that the afterlife is
fluid. It's on the astral plane, and it molds itself to thought and
emotion, and so from that respect, the afterlife can reflect what you think
it ought to be. I thinkthat this is a very likely state of
affairs for people when they first transition, that they come into an environment that's

(01:19:20):
familiar with them as part of afirst stage. Many people describe this as
like a gardener a park. Butdepending upon your culture and your beliefs,
you might see religious figures and begreeted by them, and you might see
angels, you might see Jesus,you might see other figures, for example.

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And then I think as a soulgets accustomed to the afterlife and realizes
that it is in and of itselfmultifaceted and even multidimensional, that there are
far more pieces to it than mostpeople realize, and some of it,

(01:20:03):
I think, really lies beyond ourcomprehension. And then people settle into the
afterlife and begin to move into theseother areas. So do all of these
heaven and hells exist well? Potentiallyas they do because they are projections of

(01:20:23):
human consciousness and thought. So arethey permanent, not in the way that
someone becomes stuck in one for alleternity. Interesting, very very interesting stuff,
Rosemary, Do you think we hadAmy Allen On, who's a pretty

(01:20:45):
remarkable medium herself and the star ofthe co star of the Dead File,
and we were talking about some ofthe same things, though your worldview you're
even much more global perspective on allof this, I think, But she
was saying a lot of the samethings that you're saying about, kind of

(01:21:08):
the immediate afterlife and the spirits ofpeople I guess we're talking about, and
the way they interact and how theyget stuck at places and all of that.
And then the big question from therewas okay, so then is there
something beyond that? What goes beyondthat? Is there, you know,

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at least metaphorically speaking, a doorbeyond which then you're you're out of at
least human purview And she said,yes, there is, And of course
we said, all right, soyou know, what's that all about?
What's on the other side? Andshe said, well, you know,
I'm writing a book, so I'mnot going to give it away at the
moment, but that book will becoming out. Do you think that there

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is a more or less I guess, you know, permanent portal or a
hardwired portal beyond which you do passout of the realm. That humans can
interact with and move on to somethingelse. Yes, I do, Eric,

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and people have documented this in theirown explorations. One of the best
explorers was Robert Monroe, who learnedhow to project himself out of body,
one of the most prolific out ofbody travelers we've had in modern times.

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And he explored regions of consciousness andlike the threshold of the afterlife. And
he said he started to map thisastral plane, and he did three remarkable
books, and at the time ofhis death, this was a job incomplete.

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You know, nobody ever dies withtheir calendar completely full, and you
know, But anyway, Monroe saidthat there were reaches that were beyond human
comprehension, and he knew they existedfrom his own explorations, but he wasn't
certain how to access them himself.I think that this accounts for some of

(01:23:26):
the reasons why the dead seemed topass beyond our reach. Many people have
contact with the dead. Some peoplehave their farewell visit or reassurance visits sometime
soon after person passes, and thenthere may be periods of other contact where

(01:23:47):
a presence is felt, or messagesare given, or there are dream visits
and then it's not unusual for thedead to become more and more remote.
And I don't think it's just becausewe stop thinking about them so often.
You know, when you're grieving,somebody is present to you and on your

(01:24:08):
mind all the time. But Ithink that they evolve and grow in the
afterlife, and they pass into thesevibrational areas that bridges then are much more
difficult to form to the dense worldof the living. Now, some people

(01:24:29):
seem to be able to opt tostay close to Earth. And for example,
the person who says, oh,Grandpa, you know, Grandpa's been
dead twenty years now, but he'smy guardian angel, and whatever I in
trouble, Grandpa comes and he givesme advice. And so some individuals may

(01:24:49):
opt to stay closer to Earth becausethey've taken on that role. Maybe there's
an agreement that they had made evenp or to incarnation to function like that.
Then there are passages into reincarnation wheresouls go into preparation for another life

(01:25:11):
somewhere else, maybe somewhere on Earthor some other dimension or world, and
then that passes them out of ourpurview. But even so, for example,
my dad died in both my parentsare gone now. My mother died
in two thousand and four, mydad died in nineteen eighty two. And

(01:25:39):
I think, I think, Ithink that, you know, Dad has
passed into one of these outer areas, and maybe he might have even reincarnated
now, but there's no way forme to know. I don't feel a
connection to him like I did formany years, where I felt that that

(01:26:00):
bridge could potentially form at any time. Now do you think that people are
given the choice then to be reincarnated? You know, it's an option if
you want to. Well. Accordingto Eastern traditions, you are compelled to
reincarnate until you purify yourself to thepoint where you can go into what we

(01:26:23):
would call cosmic consciousness or join thegodhead, pass into this transcendent state where
incarnations are no longer necessary. Andother people from the West who've communicated about
past lives feel that there's more choiceinvolved, but that we still have things

(01:26:45):
that we have to clean off ourplate, so to speak, and that
choices may vary at any given leveldepending upon what still needs to be done.
You know, it's like our chores. I guess, So how long
that takes probably depends on how aperson chooses to lead their their incarnation.

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And there are many people on thisplanet who feel that they're not from here,
and I don't think everybody on Earthis from here. It makes absolutely
no sense that if you have eternity, that you would spend all of your
incarnations on one planet in one lifeform. It would be important for the
soul in order to grow to havedifferent incarnations from different perspectives. So some

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of us may have spent a lotof lifetimes here on Earth and some of
us not very many. Is thatwhat they call like a new soul and
an old soul. I've heard ofboth those terms used. That would be
a way to describe it. I'vealways when someone says new soul, I've
always thought, well, maybe newon Earth, but not necessarily a new
Nobody knows where souls come from inthe first place, and questions have been

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raised that, well, if thereis such a thing as reincarnation, is
there a finite number of souls?And if there is, then how do
you account for population explosions? AndI don't think there is a finite number
of souls, But nobody has ananswer in terms of where a soul is
born or where they come from.Well, yeah, none of us,

(01:28:29):
as far as I know, don'thave that answer yet. Maybe one day,
a well, one day we allwill know all these answers, but
unfortunately communicating it back to the livingis a little tough. I you know,
at some point it probably doesn't matterwhether or not that information can be
communicated back, because I think asconsciousness changes, you become more absorbed in

(01:28:58):
other states of being and the affairs, and you probably also realize that everybody
gets there eventually anyway, yea,and some individuals. I mean, let's
take cases of people who have committedgreat atrocities and you know, taken lives
and created a great deal of destruction. I think that there are lower realms

(01:29:25):
in the afterlife where these people arelimited too, and not necessarily imprisoned,
but they're limited to dark and denseareas until they they figure a way out.
And I think everybody has the potentialfor redemption. I do not believe

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in eternal punishment for any deed,no matter how bad it is. You
might spend a very long time veryunhappy areas, or you know, having
to compensate in some way for thethings you've done, and perhaps through some

(01:30:14):
sort of compensatory suffering in an incarnation. But we all have the potential to
keep growing and purifying ourselves and strivingtoward the unconditional light and love that hold
everything together. Got very very interesting. We have to run a break everyone

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of when we come back more,Rosemary Ellen Guiley. This is really really
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night. Joel sters Us along withme is mister and we're talking tonight with
the awesome Rosemary Allen Guile. AndI gotta tell you she's blowing my socks
right off because she has an insightlike very few ad on how the paranormal
works and how things work. AndI have to say again thank you again

(01:34:39):
for coming on the show. Rosemary. Oh, it's my pleasure. I'm
really enjoying our discussion. I youknow, one question that keeps coming up,
and maybe you're the one to answerthis because no one else can.
And it's a bit of a touchyone. Is there sex in the afterlife?
Well, you know, it dependson who you talk to. And

(01:35:00):
the modern answer is why, yes, of course, Why wouldn't there be
sex in the afterlife? Because Iwould think the lack of bodies, well,
that's not necessarily an impediment. Now, the communications that have been delivered
via mediums and things like ghost boxesand dream visits and things like that indicate

(01:35:27):
that people can create a form forthem out of thought. You know,
the astral matter is very malleable,and so they can have a form that
is capable of having some sort ofenergy inter change. And they've described it
as not exactly like physical sex suchas we know it in this reality,

(01:35:48):
but it is very pleasurable and evenmore intense in ways that we can't even
imagine. Now. If you goback in time to some of the real
strict theologians in the Christian Church,the answer is no, there is no

(01:36:12):
sex because people don't have bodies,and so therefore there's no need for procreation.
And it was sort of abhorrent tothe idea that you know, heaven,
everything is supposed to be pure andsex is impure, so sex will
not pollute the afterlife, and theremight be an admiration of form, but

(01:36:36):
no working parts essentially to do anything. So our views have evolved throughout history.
I got to ask you, dude, like married couples that've been married
forty years on earth, did theytend to stay together in the afterlife?
Do they find each other? Theycan if they want to. And that's

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another thing that's very fluid, isthat people find first, they seem to
find their immediate family and friends.You know, they're always they're greets on
the other side. And that's beenreported many times over and even by people
who have had near death experiences andgone to the edge of the afterlife.

(01:37:20):
And so if you want to lookpeople up, you can, but you
don't have to be with anyone thatyou don't want to be with. And
when you think that, over thecourse of time, a person has many

(01:37:40):
incarnations, so many spouses, manyfamilies, and there could be many people
that you would want to find inthe afterlife and have some sort of relationship
with. My belief is that coupleswho feel very strongly about each other and
maybe even have a path, likeyou know, we'll find each other in

(01:38:01):
the afterlife. They will, andmaybe they will even want to reincarnate together
in some way the next time around. Very interesting. So there is a
choice there where you can actually seekeach other out, find each other and
truly spend eternity. If you choosetogether, well, you know how much

(01:38:25):
time you spent in the afterlife probablywould depend on your own game plans.
Let's say, for example, oneperson wants to linger longer in the afterlife
than the other person who wants toget back at reincarnating. Now, in
reincarnation stories that the literature that hasaccumulated over quite a few years here on

(01:38:51):
Earth, where people talk about theirrelationships that they have with each other,
some which are beneficial and which areproblematic. It may be necessary to reincarnate
with someone that you've had difficulty within order to end a bad cycle or

(01:39:12):
compensate for something that's happened. Manycases of past life recall revolve around that.
So how much choice is involved withthat, Well, the communicators indicate
that you have free will and choiceover there, But if you know what's
good for you, you're going tomake wise decisions with the counsel of spiritual

(01:39:34):
beings who are at your disposal tonot put things off, because otherwise you
can get stuck in very you know, very low or unproductive cycles. Oh,
go ahead, So that makes alot of sense, you know,

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and just how things are working again. It kind of comes down to free
will. The evidence and the testimonythat we get over and over again is
that we do we have free will, and we are the judge of our
lives. We have a life reviewafter we pass, very soon after we

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pass, and there are there seemto be spiritual beings around to help us
with this, and whether we callthem angels or other kinds of beings,
there are higher beings in the afterlife, and that we feel the good and

(01:40:35):
the bad of everything that we've done, from the smallest act the biggest act.
So we're the ones who really makethe assessment of our lives, and
then we must decide how we're goingto move forward. So I think there
are some other I guess you wouldcall them universal laws that come into play

(01:41:00):
with that um. But how fastwe progress seems to be largely up to
us. That would make sense becauseyou know, I think we all like,
like we've all, I've always said, what good is free will if
you have to pay for it later? You know, I mean, so
you kind of dictate, you know, I mean seriously, I mean,
what good is it if I gotpaid for it later? Anyway? But

(01:41:24):
darn karma, I tell you.But no, it makes more sense that
you are your own keeper, thatyou are your own judge, that you
hold yourself accountable, because no matterwhere you go, there you are.
You know, I heard that somewherebefore. That's very true. That's that's

(01:41:44):
very true. But then look whatwe have coming at us from religion.
Let's I mean, just just fromthe standpoint of Christianity, the conservative fundamental
messages are God is watching you,taking note, and God is going to
judge you after you pass off thisearth, and you will pay if you're

(01:42:06):
not good. And so you haveto follow us and our teachings and do
as we say so that you've gotthe best chance with God later. Yeah,
Like you have to be good toget the good stuff later. I
mean, you have to be thegood boys and girls, otherwise you will
go to hell and you will bepoked by a pitchfork for all eternity in
the butt. But this idea thatwe're brought up into court and that there's

(01:42:33):
a being who's who passes sentence onus for eternity is just mind boggling to
me. And yet many people dodo accept that that's an article of faith
for many people. You know,I would have a I have a hard
time accepting that that kind of thoughtbecause wait a second, who are you
to judge me? Number one?Yeah, I mean that whole thinking too.

(01:42:58):
You know, why would we haveto again free will? If we
have to pay for it's not free? So if I have to go in
front of a judge basically explain mylife, it's no longer free will.
That's just my thinking. But Ithink that once we pass on, we
kind of see maybe the big pictureof what everything really is. I mean,

(01:43:21):
right now, we might have justa small little flashlight and we see
just little glimpses of what's to come. But once we're actually over there all,
at least, I hope all ofthe questions are answered and all the
thoughts are all filled in, wewill know we will be at one.
I think that we become more awareof a big picture. And there have

(01:43:44):
been some interesting books out in thelast decade or so from mediums who've done
a lot of afterlife mediumship, andpeople talk about how they're adapting in the
afterlife. Now, just because wedie doesn't make us, you know,
instant gurus and enlightened beings. Andsome people have a difficult time with adapting

(01:44:10):
to these circumstances of realizing that theirthoughts are going to manifest a reality around
them, that their thoughts are transparent. Wait in a second, anything I
think, Rosemary, I don't meanto interrupt you, but that don't anything.
Anything that I think, for instance, will manifest itself. So if
I think about a million dollars,a million dollars, not that can spend

(01:44:32):
it well, pure in front ofme kind of thing. Well, technically
the way people describe the afterlife,yes, and that manifestation is instant,
But they also say that very quicklyyou get bored with that sort of thing
and you realize that there are moreproductive ways to manage your thoughts, and

(01:44:55):
that just producing stuff that would haveretained you on Earth, it doesn't it
doesn't carry over into the afterlife.Gotcha, Just because you think about a
whopper doesn't necessarily mean you need theWhopper exactly. And so people have,

(01:45:17):
you know, varying degrees of awarenessthat they take into the afterlife with them,
and they're not going to become everyoneis not going to become instantly cosmically
aware. For some, it maybe a much longer learning curve. And
I think there are a lot ofchallenges in the afterlife. There has to

(01:45:41):
be there has to be some typeof learning experience and challenges. I mean,
gosh, I mean it's gonna takeme forever, judging by how long
it's taking me to learn how playguitar three days. I'm into it,
by the way right now, Soreally, but I'm gonna be one of
those slow learners in the back ofthe class going what I miss? What

(01:46:01):
I got? A couple of thingsthat toss in the air, back to
back to the spiritual sexual endeavors.I find that amazing. What came to
mind as you were describing it isI'm actually picturing two movies that actually are
about or involved sexual relationships between aliensand humans and Galaxy Quest. It happens,

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and it happens, really happens vividlyin Cocoon, and in a way
those seem to have you know,a certain amount of reality to them,
because they're both showing a more intensekind of interaction energy exchange than is even
possible or thought to be possible hereon Earth, and neither you know,

(01:46:53):
directly involves the kinds of things thathappen between human bodies. It really is
more of an energy exchange. SoI think maybe, you know, kind
of ironically, I'm not sure theywere intentionally going for that, but but
those depictions actually, you know,probably have a fair amount of reality to
them. The other thing that occurredto me is this whole idea of free

(01:47:15):
will versus judgment, and if weend up judging ourselves and being our own
assessors, as far as what dowe do next, how do we move
along, how do we move upthe chain? In a sense, it
really doesn't matter who is doing thatjudgment, you know, in other words,

(01:47:43):
we're not going to be any easieron ourselves than a god would be
or another judge, because once youget to that level, you're putting aside
the self illusions and the self pityand whatnot. So in a sense,
it doesn't matter who is judging youas long as you are being judged,

(01:48:09):
you know, in a way,I might be even more harsh on myself
than a Christian God figure might be, because I'm not going to forgive myself,
whereas at least in theory, aChristian God will forgive me as long
as I ask for that forgiveness.Well, that's exactly what some people describe,

(01:48:33):
Eric, that when they go throughthis life review, they experience everything
very intensely positive and negative, andif they've hurt someone, they will feel
that hurt and they say they feelit from the perspective of the other person,
and that this has a huge impacton the individual who's going through the

(01:49:00):
life review. So you're you're absolutelyright, is that we become our toughest
judges. We often are our harshestcritics. I had one other question,
And I know Joel hasn't had thepleasure of of interacting with you to the
extent that I have, or youknow, just nothing else seeing your your
presentation, and I learned so muchfrom that, and I've certainly been reading

(01:49:26):
up on you after that as welland reading your writings. Um, but
I was wondering, excuse me here, put that aside, Joel. Let's
return to you here. Oh,not a problem, Hey, something just
came up. But go ahead,no, I you know, I got
another question. I know I'm fullof questions and I rose Mary, But

(01:49:47):
is there any concept of time onthe other side, like I'm talking like
timex time, like do we allhave watches or we're just not aware of
time? Time seems to be verymalib bow on the other side, if
if essentially non existent because it reallyis a construct of our linear you know,

(01:50:09):
a reality which operates in a linearfashion. And people say that they
can go visit their past lives,and their past lives are happening right now,
which is a very odd and unsettlingthing for some of some of them
to deal with. They can sortof look in on pieces of themselves having

(01:50:32):
having lives and incarnational experiences, butit's no longer past. It's part of
the ever present now. That isthat wow? That would be mind blowing.
Its time real? Is time aswe experience it real? Or is
the real underlying reality all at once? The underlying reality that you find in

(01:51:00):
metaphysical traditions all over the world isthat there isn't ever present now and everything
happens at once, and linear timeis real for us because it's it's how
we function in this reality. Butbeyond that it broadens out into everything that

(01:51:21):
ever was, is and will beis happening. Now, Now has it
been explained that this planet Earth,this existence that we're currently in, is
it one of the harshest existence tobe in? I mean, is this
like truly almost like hell? Assome people would say, Well, some
people have described it as a prisonor a school, and they The testimony

(01:51:49):
from many people is on the otherside is that yes, Earth is very
harsh, but it's a desirable placeto come because it's kind of like asked
forward a compensatory experience. That lifemight be tough here and nobody really has

(01:52:10):
smooth sailing for an entire lifetime,but it has the potential to advance people
karmically and spiritually much faster than someother places that you know, might be
a little easier. That being said, there are those who say, well,

(01:52:30):
you know, a lifetime on aneasier world is a break, you
know, and sometimes you deserve abreak where you're just it's like a vacation.
You know, you're just going tohave an easier time of it.
So the Earth is seen as atough place, but a desirable place to
incarnate. It's the school of hardknocks, It certainly is. And when

(01:52:57):
you look around the planet at anytime in history, the bulk of humanity
suffers and has a hard time,has a hard time putting food on the
table, and get caught up inconflict. Do you have to deal with
illness and misfortune? And that's ait's amazing that we choose to come here

(01:53:26):
and go through that these experiences inorder to advance ourselves. I think that
says something about toughness. So onlythe strong truly do survive here. I
mean, it's not a metaphor,but really is that way. I think
that you know, you really haveto have you have to be formidable.

(01:53:53):
I think to take Earth on andyou know, this is a beautiful planet.
It is absolutely exquisite. And yetyou know, people on the other
side say that there are beautiful placesthat we can't even imagine that you know,
make the Earth pale by comparison.But yet while we're here on an
incarnation, we are on a placeof incredible beauty. And being able to

(01:54:18):
appreciate that beauty is such a gift. And for many people they're they're suffering
is so profound that it's difficult forthem to do that. So have they
opted to, you know, takeon a huge load as kind of an
extra fast forward, or are theyin the process of compensating for something.

(01:54:45):
I think these sorts of things arerevealed to us only at certain points us
as we move through life, deathand rebirth. That makes a lot of
sense, it really does, becauseyou know, here we are. We
come to the this planet that we'recurrently on called Earth, which is one
of the harshest places to be ahuman being dealing with, like you said,

(01:55:10):
illness, death, money, worries, worried about something constantly we all
are and we never get that break. And I think you might be right.
It might be more of the schoolof hard knocks, toughening our souls
up, if you will, andthe reincarnation literature. And I do pass
life regression. By the way,I am a hypnotist that people have relationships

(01:55:36):
that need so much healing, andthat's one of the reasons why we reincarnate
with certain people is because there arewounds and relationships and we have to find
ways to heal those wounds. Andthen there are some relationships that are caught
in cycles of will you hurt meso I'm going to hurt you back,
And you know it's that kind ofback and forth thing until somebody breaks.

(01:56:00):
Sure. Sure the tip for tatrelationship where you know you made me mad,
so now me get my revenge kindof thing. But Rosemary, we
only have about five minutes left.I'd like you to tell the audience where
they can get all your books,where they can find you, where they
can locate your website, all thatkind of good stuff. My main website
is Visionary Living dot com, andI have my calendar on the homepage.

(01:56:25):
I have a free newsletter that comesout every month that has articles and also
information about what I'll be doing.There's a library of articles on topics that
I've written on and I am expandingthe website. It's going to be a
lot bigger in the near future,with a lot more content in it.
And then we touched on the Gina little earlier, and I have a

(01:56:48):
whole website devoted to the Gin,which is quite educational. It's called Gin
Universe d j I n N universedot com. You know it's it's not
it's more than just the car game, guys, the Gin. But do
you have any advice for the wouldbe researcher, the would be writer out

(01:57:09):
there to cast a very big net. All of these areas are interrelated,
and it's good to have specialties areasof particular interest that you're more expert in
than others. But it's difficult toreally understand fully any of these areas without

(01:57:30):
pulling back and seeing a big picturebecause of the inter relationship. So I
always recommend to researchers to broaden theirscope and be as well educated as possible
in related areas. For example,the paranormal, cryptozoology, ufology, and
metaphysics all have less than six degreesof separation. They're all interconnected, and

(01:57:59):
so you know, just have agood working knowledge in as many areas as
possible and pursue your own development ofconsciousness through taking classes and intuition or energy
healing, psychic development, participating inparanormal activities because that sharpens your subtle senses

(01:58:23):
and you really need those if you'regoing to really fully understand the kinds of
things that you're researching, because youwill experience them. Great great advice,
everybody. Check out all of herbooks, check out the website, and
make sure you hit that calendar seewhere you can sit in on one of
her talks. You will not regretit one bit. Rosemary, I'd like

(01:58:45):
to thank you for coming on afterHours Am. It was really a treat
and a privilege to be able totalk to you. And it went by
so fast, Joel, I can'tbelieve it it did, or it's gone.
It always goes so fast. Again, thank you so much and everyone
that listened, and thank you somuch for listening. Thank you for supporting
us in this crazy show. Welove each and every one of you.
Take care of each other, loveeach other, and keep reading and keep

(01:59:08):
more importantly, keep researching. Untilnext time, guys, take care.
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