April 14, 2015 • 61 mins
Join host Eric Olsen for this episode of AMHRadio, previewing the CONTACT In the DESERT UFO conference with NYT bestselling author and investigative journalist Jim Marrs, and Joshua Tree historian and Giant Rock expert Barbara Harris.
The Eagle is landing at the third annual CONTACT In the DESERT as celebrated American astronauts Edgar Mitchell and Story Musgrave join headliners Chariots of the Gods author Erich von Daniken, Ancient Aliens legend Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, and our bud George Noory, host of Coast to Coast Radio AM, along with a small army of UFO experts and agitators at the Joshua Tree Conference Center, May 29-31.
CONTACT In the DESERT 2015 is committed to a serious, academic look at the UFO phenomenon and its impact on the human race, exploring ancient alien studies, contact experiences, sightings, crop circles, abduction, other proof of alien visitation, and government interactions with aliens.
Award winning investigative journalist and best-selling author Jim Marrs will speak on topics addressed in his latest book, OUR OCCULTED HISTORY. Do the global elite conceal ancient aliens? Addressing the omissions and distortions in history - from the strange Starchild skull to the exact location of Atlantis, to the genesis of RH-negative blood types - no stone is left unturned.
Barbara Harris is a Joshua Tree-area historian and tour guide with particular interest in the enormous and mysterious Giant Rock boulder, seven stories tall, 25,000 tons and 5,800 sq. ft., which split in 2000. Though partially covered in graffiti and a gathering spot for locals, it maintains a mysterious, mystic energy that draws people from all over the world.
The Eagle is landing at the third annual CONTACT In the DESERT as celebrated American astronauts Edgar Mitchell and Story Musgrave join headliners Chariots of the Gods author Erich von Daniken, Ancient Aliens legend Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, and our bud George Noory, host of Coast to Coast Radio AM, along with a small army of UFO experts and agitators at the Joshua Tree Conference Center, May 29-31.
CONTACT In the DESERT 2015 is committed to a serious, academic look at the UFO phenomenon and its impact on the human race, exploring ancient alien studies, contact experiences, sightings, crop circles, abduction, other proof of alien visitation, and government interactions with aliens.
Award winning investigative journalist and best-selling author Jim Marrs will speak on topics addressed in his latest book, OUR OCCULTED HISTORY. Do the global elite conceal ancient aliens? Addressing the omissions and distortions in history - from the strange Starchild skull to the exact location of Atlantis, to the genesis of RH-negative blood types - no stone is left unturned.
Barbara Harris is a Joshua Tree-area historian and tour guide with particular interest in the enormous and mysterious Giant Rock boulder, seven stories tall, 25,000 tons and 5,800 sq. ft., which split in 2000. Though partially covered in graffiti and a gathering spot for locals, it maintains a mysterious, mystic energy that draws people from all over the world.
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Mounting, my friends, my miracles, and it's time once again for America's
Most Haunted Radio, bringing together thefindest minds of personalities from across the paranormalous
spectrum. And there you go,Eric, just for you man, all
right, thank you. Joel Sturgis, the world famous ass kicking Joel Sturgis
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is running the board for America's MostHaunted And because Teresa Arge, the world
famous Haunted housewife, had a schedulingconflict for the evening, Joel will also
be stopping in now and then asco host. We are honored, my
friends, and what a show wehave Tonight. We're previewing the Contact in
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the Desert UFO conference with New YorkTimes bestselling author and investigative journalist Jim Mars,
Joshua Tree, historian and giant rockexpert. This woman knows all about
giant rocks, Barbara Us and theevent organizer, the Grand Puba of Contact
in the Desert, Paul Andrews.This year, which is only the third
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year, the Eagle as landing atthe third annual Contact in the Desert as
celebrated American astronauts Edgar Mitchell and StoryMusgrave joined headliners Cherry to the Gods author
Eric Vandonikan Ancient Aliens legend with thefreaky ass hair, Georgios, I never
I always forget how to say that, Sucalos. Someone will tell me I've
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been. It'll be Jim and ourbut judge George Nori, who we just
saw over the weekend at the KentParanormal Weekend. He is also a UFO
guy, and he's host, ofcourse, of Coast to Coast Radio AM
and an army of additional UFO expertsand agitators will be at the Joshua Tree
Conference Center May twenty ninth through thirtyfirst. It's a couple of months earlier
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this year. Interested to hear whythey've made that change. But up first
with us is Jim Mars. Welcome. Jim, Hey guys, it's great
to be with you. What apleasure. Yes, I think you were
in fact on with us last yearwhen we were previewing the show, and
I was staggered by the width andbreadth of your knowledge and background and experience.
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For that matter, for those wholive in caves, let's tell them
who you are. Award winning investigativejournalist and best selling author, Jim Mars
will speak on topics addressed in hislatest book, Our Occulted History to the
Global Elite Console Conceal Ancient Aliens,addressing the omissions and distortions in history,
from the strange star Child's skull tothe exact location of Atlantis, to the
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genesis of our h negative blood typesand the powerful families of the Black Nobility.
No stone will be left unturned.Wow, I want to go,
Jim, but I guess you'll giveus a little bit of a preview.
How are you well, I'm doingjust lovely and I can answer your question,
the burning question of why they movedit from August till the end of
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May, please. Well, apparentlythere were some folks who came from Yankee
climates who decided it was just toohot in the desert in August May,
so they wouldn't be quite so hot. Of course, I'm from Texas,
and it seemed pretty normal to me. Yeah, boy, I hadn't even
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thought of that. Yep, Augustin the desert, even though it's the
high desert, I believe, right, is nonetheless very very toasty. All
right, I found it. Ifound it personally pretty pretty uh comfortable,
because, yes, in the inthe height of the of the day,
he got pretty hot, but itwas a dry heat. If you've got
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in the shade, you're kind ofbouquet. And at night it actually got
fairly cool. And of course whereI come from them here in Texas,
and when it gets August, itis hot in the daytime and it's hot
at night. Oh yeah, Well, I'm a big baseball fan, so
I'm always hearing, Uh, whatthe poor Rangers have to deal with.
I guess they have a retractable roof, now, don't they on the stadium?
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Yeah, or some kind of giantair conditioner. I don't room,
yeah, because that's what they're alwayssaying. It's not It's not just that
it's ninety five to one hundred andfive or whatever in the day, but
then it barely cools off at night. And you're right in the high desert.
I'm actually from southern California, soI've been out there a lot.
Apparents used to own some land outin Apple Valley, and uh, kind
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of year round, it really doescool off at night, right, Yeah,
I've seen I've seen at ninety fiveone hundred degrees at midnight here in
North Texas. Whoa boy, well, that's yeah, it is. But
this is going to be a lotbetter. I think in May, the
temperatures will be real pleasant and thedesert is a dry place. It's really
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nice. In fact, I thinka lot of people are getting in on
the action, because this will makethe third year that I've attended the contact
in the desert, And the firstyear they were expecting I think about four
hundred people and they ended up withmore than six or seven hundred, so
they expanded their facilities and prepared formore. And the second year they were
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gonna hopefully get maybe up to eighthundred or so, and they had over
a thousand. And then last summerthey were preparing for maybe twelve hundred than
they had. I believe they hadalmost two thousand people there. So it's
really exciting because what that shows meis something that I've kind of decided anyway
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in my travels around the country,that there is a consciousness raising going on
among the public. And the interestis interesting too. Two years ago,
the people who were there were mostlyinterested in the UFO issue, but last
year I noticed a whole lot ofpeople that were there were not only interested
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in UFOs and possible et visitation,but also wanted to know about the government
conspiracies and who was behind nine toeleven and who killed Kennedy. And I
mean, I don't know. Therejust seems to be a general general consciousness
raising going on in the country.And who better to talk of such things
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than the original JFK conspiracy digger,upper person archaeologist, you, the world
famous Jim mars. I remember wewere talking about that, and I,
you know, I had a vaguenotion of your background. Certainly was aware
of who you are for last talk, but I didn't realize that you really
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were the guy to popularize some ofthese underlying issues and theories, you know,
regarding the JFK assassination, which isstill, I guess to this day,
the one that people are most justmaniacal and fanatical about. Right well,
I think that's because there is somuch more known now today than on
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so many of the other conspiratorial topics. And yes, I've been on it
since the day had happened. Iwas a sophomore at North Texas University studying
for a degree in journalism, andthat was only about thirty miles north of
Dallas. In fact, i'd beenin Dallas. Had a lot of said
my roommates were from Dallas, andin fact I had I got a picture
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of me dancing in Jack Ruby's Carouselclub, and it was taken a month
before the Kennedy assassination, and beforeJack Ruby his name got to be so
notorious. And also and I waswell aware of who was Dallas and the
politics at the time. And thenI was up gathering information and watching TV
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within about fifteen or twenty minutes ofthe shooting. So I've been on it
from the get go. And thenin the mid seventies, about nineteen seventy
five, I believe I was invitedto teach a course on the Kennedy assassination
at the University of Texas and Arlingtonthere between Dallas and Fort Worth, And
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so every fall, every spring,I'd be rerunning those newsreels and announcements and
pictures and documents and so the wholething. It's hard for me to believe
that that's been more than fifty yearsago. Well, Jim, two years,
I guess, because it's still freshin my mind. I hate the
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bust into your guys, but I'venever been able to ask Jim this question.
I always want to interview you,Jim never had a chats who killed
Kennedy? Well, first you haveto answer, do you want to know?
Are you asking who pulled a trigger? Or are you asking who was
behind it? Oh? I think, uh, well Lee Harvey. Yes.
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But see when I was a kid, we were tilling. Just to
give a little background where the questionscoming from. We were always tells Lee
Harvey Oswald. Of course, likeeverybody, Well that's the official verdict,
but that's been severely called into question. Who orchestructed back. Think a objective
look at all the evidence would probablyshow you that Lee Harvey Oswald if if
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he even fired a shot that day, and that's a huge, big if,
because just as the Dallas police chiefback in seventy said, you know,
we never could put Oswald in thatwindow with that rifle, which is
absolutely true. But if Oswald evenfired a shot, he certainly was not
alone. There was another shot fromthe Grassyno and possibly even other occasions,
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which by very definition means there wasa conspiracy. Now, if there was
a conspiracy, and here we arefifty two three years later and we don't
know the truth of that conspiracy,then that can only be laid at the
feet of federal officials who told usand still try to maintain that it was
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only Oswald by himself. And sothen that is what has elevated what at
the time was simply another Texas homicideinto a national two DETA. Just one
more quick note here, ericet backwhat I found though, just through doing
my own little bit of digging,and nowhere near the extent that you have
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done, I have kind of comeacross that it could have been George W
or George Bush senior. He wasthe director of the CIA at the time.
No, he did not become directorof the CIA until our only unelected
president, Jerald R. Ford,pointed him o kaid of the CIA about
nineteen seventy five. But there isevidence to show that George Herbert Walker Bush
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was in Dallas at the time,and in fact, there is a photograph
that many people believe is him standingin front of the Texas school book the
Bottles Story at the time of theassassination. Wow, I've never heard that
one the first president George Bush.Yes, George Herbert Walker Bush. Too
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many names, right, He's thefather of George W. Exactly. These
patricians have too many names. That'sright. Okay, Well, that is
interesting, very interesting. In fact, I interviewed a fellow who, as
a young boy, his father wasinvolved in Texas politics at the time,
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and he knew George Herbert Walker Bushand in fact encountered him in the hallway
of the Adolphus Hotel the night beforethe Kenney assassination, in the hallway speaking
with whispering with none other than RichardNixon. Wow. So that puts both
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of them in Dallas the night beforethe assassination. And there's really never been
any question about Nixon because he wasin Dallas that morning and in fact flew
out just prior to the shooting.So what after all of these years,
nay, decades of teaching the topic. Obviously you researched it extraordinarily thoroughly before
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he wrote the book. And wehaven't even mentioned that you were consultant on
the Oliver Stone JFK film. Soyou participated in that and provided information.
What is your personal opinion on whathappened? Who is behind it? Okay?
President Kennedy had, by the fallof nineteen sixty three, had made
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the horrendous mistake of actually believing hewas president of the United States, and
he was taking actions that he trulybelieved would be in the best interest of
the people of this country, andthat includes shutting down the Vietnam War.
He said he agreed with pulling allUnited States troops out of Vietnam by the
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end of sixty five, and infact, in early November of sixty three
he even said, make no formalannouncement, but begin the withdrawal of one
thousand military advisors. So he wasgoing to shut down the Vietnam War.
His brother, Robert Kennedy, asAttorney General, was prosecuting organized crime like
never before or since. And infact, one of the members of the
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Kennedy family once told me that ifthis assassination had not taken place, that
by another few years, they mayhave eliminated all organized crime in the United
States. Think about that. Hewas in communication with Krushchev and they were
very serious about ending the Coal Warat that time. He also, in
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nineteen sixty two passed the Kennedy TaxAct, where he began to close the
tax loopholes for the multinational corporations,okay, which are now so dominant in
our life. So he was andof course he was pushing for civil rights,
and so he had managed to angerand alienate all the important violent groups
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in this country. The CIA,f behind the military, the anti Castrol,
Cubans, the mafia, and wenow know that they were all at
certain places, certain levels, workingtogether, and so the word was passed
nobody's going to get too upset assomething Hattan to Kennedy, and so this
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allowed them to push through with someof their contingency plans we know. I
think it centered in the Operation Mongoose, which was the secret war against Castro.
In that war which is being runout of the gymwave station on the
campus of the University of Miami,we see a nexus of CIA and US
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military, anti Castro, Cubans,mafia hitmen, and they're all working together.
And I think the word came thatthe real problem was not in Atlanta
is in Washington, d C.So they simply sent some of these hit
squads to Dallas. But of coursethey needed cover and they needed a scapegoat,
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so they found Lee Harvey Oswald,a patriotic young American who had become
embroiled with the CIA with naval intelligencewhen he entered the Marine Corps, and
they sent him to Russia on somekind of mission, and then when he
came back, they used him andset him up to be the patsy in
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the assassination. And he used thatterm himself in Dallas when they ask him
if he killed the president, andessentially he said, no, I haven't
killed anybody. I'm just a patsy, which is really interesting because when he
says I'm a patsy, that's morethan just saying I didn't do it.
That's saying I was set up totake the blame for this, which is
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true and the truth of the assassination. There were multiple government there. It
was a military style ambush, multipleshots fired, maybe as many as nine
or ten. This is what theacoustical scientist of the House Select Commte on
Assassinations testified. They said there wasmany as ten sounds on the Dallas police
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radio tapes that they could not ruleout as being gunshots. And yet since
they only test fired from too lowssixth floor the Book Depository building and the
defense on the Grassy Knoll, theycould only say with scientific probability that the
shots came from those two locations,but it might have come from other and
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it was the cover up of thetruth of the assassination. I'll give you
one glaring example. The night ofthe assassination, against all law and protocol,
on orders from Washington, all ofthe evidence in the case was taken
away from the Dallas police and shippedto the FBI in Washington, which of
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course was under the total domination ofone man, jed Or Hoover. The
next day there was a document signedby Hoover himself that said their fingerprint experts
could not find any usable fingerprints onthe rifle or the clip or even the
disassembled parts of the rifle, sothere's no fingerprints on Sunday. That rifle
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was shipped back to Dallas. OnMonday morning to FBI agents. Harrison and
Vincent Draine carried the rifle over themiddle of funeral home in Fort Worth where
they were preparing Oswald's body for burial. The funeral home director Paul Grudy,
who I was very good friends withat the time because I became the police
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reporter for the Four Star Telegram andhe was one of my really good news
sources. Because in addition to runningthe funeral home, they also ran the
ambulance service that picked up all theshootings and crashes and everything else. And
he told me years ago and thenhas repeated this on national radio just a
few years ago, that he waspresent when the FBI came in and placed
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Oswald's dead hand on the rifle.And it was that night that Henry Wade,
the District Attorney of Dallas, wasspeaking to the news media and he
says, have I mentioned we've gothis finger prints on the rifle. Well,
that pretty well sensed his guilt inthe minds of the public. So
this is it was the cover up. Anybody could have killed Kennedy, including
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the proverbial lone nut. The thingthat really is telling is not the shooting
itself, but the subsequent cover up. And it was this cover up that
transformed what legally at that time wassimply another Texas homicide into a national coupe
tap a coup. But dang,that is the mind reels, the mind
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boggles. It's an amazing, amazingstory. We could do about five shows
just on that. Clearly you arethe man for the topic. I guess
we do need to address a bitof contact in the desert. What will
you be talking about there? Well, they've got me scheduled for several talks.
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One of them is going to bethe evidence. Which I have since
spoken to some other compatriots that havebeen studying the same material I have,
and we're all kind of under theopinion that the evidence for ancient astronauts or
extraterrestrial visitation on the Earth in prehistorictimes is at the worst compelling, at
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best overwhelming. It's just there.You just have to I have to look
at it. So and there's beena tremendous cover up in that area too.
So we're going to be talking aboutthe evidence for extraterrestrial presence not only
on the Earth, but in oursolar system that goes back to prehistory.
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And then had another talk. I'mgoing to raise the question of, well,
assuming all that's correct, and therewas this extraterrestrial presence on the Earth
in the distant past, what happened? Did they all leave or at least
some of them still? Are theystill around? If they are, who
are they? And where are they? And I will try to answer those
questions, Oh, you are leavingme hanging. I have pins and needles
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to transaction the desert. You Iwe'd better get there. Can you give
us a little bit of a head, give us a little clue about some
little tidbit that you're going to putout there. I can tell you the
gist of it, which is,there is really no question that there is
a handful of people, very wealthy, very powerful, who control the vast
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majority of the giant multinational corporations onthis world. And what I went into
my book Our Cultured History with aworking hypothesis. It was can they be
tracked back to the stories and legendshots in the innsk Yes? Wow,
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you mean an actual unbroken timeline prettymuch. And it all connects through the
secret societies that are all connected today. Is the Builderberg Bunch that meets once
a year, and the intercorep Elitethat belonged to Counsel and Foreign Relations,
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and it's spent off the Trilateral Commission, and all of that was created by
Cecil Rhoades round Tables, which hehimself called a secret society, which was
an outgrowth of illuminised Freemasonry, whichgrew out of the Freemason movement and was
viewed with the Illuminati ideals. Andthat tracks back to the fact that the
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the Freemasons were formed by the Night'sTemplars who gained all this hesteric knowledge during
the crucial aids over in the HolyLand, and the knowledge they gained was
came from the mystery schools of Romeand Greece, which then we're laid predicated
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on the mystery schools of ancient Egypt, which in fact were simply the ancient
knowledge handed down from the world's firstreal civilization in Sumar are the Sumerian civilization,
which was between the Tigers and Euphrates, rivers in the one place in
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the world today that we can't justfreely go travel too, and that is
now, of course Arach, allright. And then according to the ancient
Sumerian tablets, about half a millionof which are still in existence on not
once, but several places where theybegan the history, it says that about
more than three hundred thousand years agothe a Enachi arrived. Well Enachi have
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been translated as those who came fromthe heavens and landed on the earth.
So there you go, And nowI am just my mind is swimming with
the notion that there really are nokidding in the real world, human beings
who have alien blood? Who arethey? How do we know this?
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And how much do you? Howmuch blood do they have? And what
difference does it make. Well,now you're getting into the real truth of
the matter and the investigation thing,which has to do with the bloodlines.
Okay um, who's been interested somuch in the bloodlines? Well, the
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the Pharaohs was go all the wayback to Pharaohs, and then the Caesars
of Rome, the royalty of Europe, the Windsors that are now the ruling
family in Britain, and guests who'srelated blood relations to the Windsors? George
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W. Bush, Al Gore,John Kerry, and Barack Hussein Obama.
Wow, that's pretty amazing. Howfar removed. I think it was Lynn
Cheney, Dick Cheney's wife, whowas researching a book on the Cheney family
and found out that Obama is ajust meant I tell you, I think
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it's I want to let's say tenthcousin removed. I'm I'm getting to where
I may not know everything, butI know where to go find it.
Well, that's what the Internet doesto you. You stop remembering things because
you can just go look it up. I know that's unfortunate. The the
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Internet has become my memory. That'sinteresting. It's not farther back than that.
If you think about it, whenwhen the brain, when the human
brain really started changing, was wayback at the invention, the invention of
writing, because now you don't haveto remember everything. That's true that you
had to remember every bit of humanknowledge. Everyone had to memorize everything.
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As soon as you can start writingit down, you can start clearing out
a big portion of your brain.Yeah, that's true. You know,
that's something interesting. I saw athing the other day. You know,
we we we've kind of been toldthat we only use about ten percent of
our brain. Yes, that isthe common statement. I'm not sure it's
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true, but okay, well it'snot because well, in a way it
is, because they're talking about theuh, the neurological brain, our brain.
It's something about kim. But therest of the whole hundred percent is
the software, if you will,the activity that carries the thought energy pulses
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in our brain. So, actually, that's wrong. We actually use one
hundred percent of our brain, atleast some people do. Well, it's
a holistic kind of thing. That'swhat they're finding out. Now. The
brain like a network, and it'ssomething that various parts of the brain are
firing in different ways and in conjunctionwith each other. So it's not really
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geographical thing that's you know, reallynarrowly defined. This area does exactly this,
and this area does exactly this.Part of that is true, but
what seems to be what they seemto be finding now is that a lot
of these sections work together, andit's that overarching thing that's different, and
that's consciousness. Is yes, andthat's why if you're on, if we
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actually truly we're on't using ten percentof our brain, we wouldn't be able
to come up with much. We'dbe eating, sleeping, passing gas.
That'd be about it. Yeah,well I'll come take over. I know
a lot of people like that.Yeah, I mean it's not like people
like people don't do that, thatis for sure. Hey, I'm really
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interesting because we're about to get intothe break here, just the break.
Let me tell you the relationship here. What Dick Cheney's wife found in researching
his family was that Brock who SaintObama is an eighth cousin to Dick Cheney
because Obama is a descendant of MaureenDuval of French Huguenot, whose son married
the granddaughter by Richard Cheney, whohad arrived in Maryland in the late sixteen
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fifties from England, So that's theconnection. Well, in other words,
he's of the blood, because thechanging fundamental question on that topic is how
much of this ancient now alien blooddo any of these people have and what
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you know, what difference does itmake? How are they different? Well,
all right, here's another tip off. Anyone who's actually studied the world
economics understands that the Rothchild banking dynastyis way up at the top end of
the pyramid of power as far asmoney, wealth and position goes in the
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world. The Rothschilds themselves have claimedthat they are the descendants of the Sumerian
god king Nimrod, and in fact, they have named they in the past.
They even named one of the Rothschildchildren Nimrod. That's not a flattering
sounding name. Oh it's not.I know. When I was in school,
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as somebody said, hey, youNimrod. That's fighting words we used
to use, like yeah, yeah, sorry, we used to use that
as a yeah, as an insultway back in the you're such a Nimrod
and right up, yeah, it'sright up there with Tom somebody a dipstick.
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Yeah, I'd rather be a nimrod, I guess in a dipstick.
All right, well, Joel,I guess we're at the bottom of the
hour. Why don't we off oneor two more of our guests in If
Jim would like to stick around,we'd love to have him. Otherwise you
are, uh, I'm gonna leavethe okay? All right? Well,
unfortunately I am pretty male swamp here. I'm still putting the finishing touches on
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an edit for a new book,so I'm gonna have to run. But
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smell like your business never even happened. All right, we're back. We're
talking Contact in the Desert. I'mEric Olson. This is America's most taunted
and co hosting engineering producing, justbeing a general kick ass and vidual.
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This evening is Joel's Sturgis And justso you know, I am Joel's co
host on his show on Thursday night. Hold Eric, our show, our
show still think in terms of hisin terms of the origins, but yes,
now our show, which is afterhours a m. On Thursday nights.
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I am very excited about that.And that is also, broadly speaking,
a paranormal oriented show. So howfun is that? All Right again,
we are talking Contact in the Desert. We just got off the phone
with Jim Mars, very very famousinvestigative journalist and best selling author, probably
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the authority on the JFK conspiracy theories, and we were talking about that and
also the other topics he will beaddressing at Contact in the Desert. This
year, the third year Contact inthe Desert. It's a little bit earlier
in the year we were asking whythat was. It's because it's so damn
hot in August. So this yearit will be at the again Joshua Tree
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Conference Center, but in May Maytwenty ninth through thirty first. And our
next guest, who we also spoketo last time, I recall and had
a very very nice chat with beforethe with the preview of the last Contact
the Desert, and her name isBarbara Harris and she is a Joshua Tree
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area historian and tour guide. WelcomeBarbara, Hi, Joel Hi. Everybody
m back to back to the deserthere. Everybody's coming back in May this
time. Hopefully it's going to bea little bit, a little bit cooler.
I know it'd be cooler in theevening. I hear, I hear
some of the flatlanders we're having problemswith the temperature and whatnot. I would
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die in the desert. I'm fromMinnesota, Okay, I'm just throwing that
out there. You know what,It's a dry heat, that's what they
can't tell them there. And it'shot, and you know it's not the
heat, it's the stupidity. Ohnah, you know, I'm humidity and
there is none in the desert,which is why it's good. But you
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know what, the evenings, youcan't beat the evenings up here in this
desert. And that's the part that'sso cool and so nice is because you
go out and you look up atthe stars and then you get to see
all this sparkling little stars and thenyou don't know which ones you're looking at
and the ones that turn out tobe UFOs, you know, but those
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are the ones the people that tookmy tours over the past couple of years,
you know that those are the onesthat have had some experiences out there.
Yep, those are the ones agiant rock that we went out there
at night and uh and we'd lookup at the stars and I'd think that
they were were satellites and we wereproven wrong. They would be like Paul
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fading and you know, be big, big UFOs up there. So people
had sightings out there doing things thatsatellites do not do. In other words,
yes, yes, we had JamesGillian with us out there, not
this past year, the year beforeand in one of our episodes we actually
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we pointed up to he pointed upto the sky and he goes, oh,
look, there's one right now asJames usually does. You know,
he's real popular and he knows howto point out UFOs and me and all
my brilliance. I sat there oneday with him and I said, no,
no, no, that's just asatellite, and he goes, now,
it's not. And all of asudden he pulls out a little you
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know, a little pointer and hepoints up at it, and he looks
at it, and he goes powerup, and the thing in the sky
literally stops. It stops in thesky like a satellite would not do.
And then at this decides to gobackwards. And then all of a sudden,
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it just starts pulsating and you seethis big light going and and we're
all standing there, my little groupat the tour of Giant Rock, and
we're sitting out there watching a sighting, and yeah, those are the kind
of things you get to see itat Contacted the Death. That is amazing.
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It really is. And I guessI haven't really given all of the
important contact info I'm contact for thecontact. I am glad that you reminded
me of that, that we needto do that. So there's still plenty
of tickets available. As you heardJim say, though, boy, every
year there's doubling, tripling the numberof people attending, so this really is
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a burgeoning event. But the wayto get ahold of everyone is and get
all the information and see what it'sall about and decide if it's for you
and if you can make it,it's just go who contact in the Desert
dot com. They also have aFacebook page which is very active and a
lot going on there. All right, Barbara, why don't you give us
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a little bit of background on yourselfand how you came to be the sort
of Joshua Tree historian, slash tourguide and the expert on giant rock,
which most people are. Many peoplemay not know what that is. Yes,
I'm known as a Giant Rock lady. And for those who don't know,
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Giant Rock was once considered the largestfreestanding boulder in the world. Okay,
so everybody knows about Airs Rock inAustralia, but we have our own
little boulder out here in the worldin the desert. And this boulder is
approximately was approximately twenty five thousand tons. It covers an area over like six
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thousand square feet and stands about sevenstories tall. So it just sits there
in the middle of this desert andso and it was a very sacred space
to the Native American Indians, andthe Native American Indians from this area used
to conduct their ceremonies. They usedto actually call them seances, and they
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would come there, do their ceremoniesand then venture on. Now we didn't
have regular we have nomadic Native Americansin this area, so we didn't have
one specific tribe. So they wouldbe going from maybe like Arizona on their
way up to the mountains in thespring and the fall, and they would
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basically be stopping at this rock.And it was around the eighteen hundreds that
there was the first white man namedCharlie Ricci. And Charlie Ricci actually was
the first white man to have aceremony at this rock. And why he
becomes important because he eventually this mannamed Frank Kretzer. And where Frank Kretzer.
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I'm jumping ahead on a lot ofthis, because Frank Kretzer becomes very
important because he is a man whocame out to this rock and he dug
under this rock and made a homeunder this rock. And and if anybody
reads about Frank Kretzer, he washe was considered a German spy. So
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and this is all during World Wartwo and a whole big time and the
government was out after him. Andeventually Frank meant his demise because he blew
himself up underneath the rock. Sohe has a whole other story. Wow.
Yeah, you know, this becomesreally crazy, but we're really connects
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cool and really neat because you gotthis guy, Richie Kretzer, and then
Chritzer met this man who we allknow is George van's Tassel, and George
van Castle became friends with this guy, um, Frank Kretzer. And so
after Frank Kreitzer kind of blew himselfup under this rock, um, George
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van Tassel, who knew Frank,kind of saw that there was this vacancy
under the rock, and George vanTassel, who lived on the coast,
decided to move his family under thisrock. Now you got to remember they're
literally living under a rock. I'msorry, I couldn't I apologize. Now
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here's here's the interesting thing. FrankKreitzer, Um, he moved there because
he was going to do mining.You got to go back to like the
early you know, nineteen twentieth century, and it was nineteen thirty around that
time, nineteen thirty, nineteen fortiesand um, and he was going to
mine that area. And what washappening in that particular era if the government
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was giving away land, they werethey were doing this thing called homesteading,
so you could go out to thedesert and pick up five acres of land
for free. However, you know, Frank's story gets real involved, in
real in depth, and that's whatI will go into at my talk at
Contact in the Desert and I'll connectthe pieces of why he is so important
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with George Vantassle because one of thethings that Frank Chreiser did is he built
the airport. He built an airportout at Giant Rock. And for many
people who don't know, there isan airport called Giant Rock Airport. So
after he did blow himself up underthis rock, George van Tasso had like
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this ready made house home. Hehad an airport there, and he decided
to move his family out to thisplace in the desert. And once George
moved his family out to this desertlocation, George van Tassle then started having
his own experiences out there and andon April nineteen forty seven, George van
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Tassel had his first a UFO conventiongoing on out there because prior to that
time he had had contact with thesebeings from Venus who came down and how
George had said what had happened wasthey had talked to him, and the
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gist of the whole conversation went that, you know, you know, your
human beings, you're coming along okayas a species. That it seems like
when you finally get to the placewhere you get it and you understand what's
going on, he die. Sothese people, these these beings from Venus,
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gave George van Tassel sometimes technology andgave him some plans on how to
build the integratron. So how manypeople out there you've heard of the integratron,
haven't you. I've heard of it, but I don't know what it
is, Okay. So the integratronwas also then a part of what made
George van Tassel. You know,that's part of his legacy because here you
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have George van Tassel, this guy, now he lives out of this giant
rock in the desert with his familyand and he builds a restaurant out there
and he has UFO conventions going onout there where get this, Now,
you've got to go back to thenineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, in early
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nineteen seventies where it was documented innineteen fifty nine where as many as fifteen
thousand people came on to this boulderto listen to George van Tassel and some
of the original contactees, like whenyou go back to Georgia Danski, Daniel
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Fry, and you know, theoriginal people that would have these contacts with
extraterrestrials at the time, and theywould gather out there in the desert and
they would have these speakers on stands, and they would come into the airport
and they would fly in and withtheir airplanes, they would come in with
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motor homes. It was kind oflike the Burning Man of its time,
if you might say. And itwas a place where people could come and
talk about their experiences. And thiswas a big event. And what came
off of it was George van Tassowas able to use this as a launch
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pad in order for him to buildhis Integratron, which was supposed to be
are we jew Venetian machine that wouldhelp humans live longer, so but that
never happened because Van Castle died beforeit ever got turned on, ironically enough,
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Yeah, yeah, So you know, it's it's a fascinating whole story
and how they all connect together isjust all. It all is just so
amazing. And what what has drivenme to this place? You know?
Because you go out there and itis in the desert, and we when
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we take our tours and we takepeople out there and they trust me to
drive them out there to this desertrock and you sit there in the middle
of the night. We actually staytill gets very dark so we can watch
the night skies and m You haveto kind of go back to that time
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in the four these fifties and sixtieswhen there wasn't a time where you had
porta potties and you had the convenienceof air conditionings and and a lot of
the convenience that you have today.And you sit out there and if not
anything, you could almost feel thespirits of the past and all the people
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that used to come to that areato experience these um contacts and these um
you know, the experience of youknow, listening to people talk about X
files and people talk about their experiencesof having having contact with extraterrestrials before people
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were allowed to talk about it.You know, that's where it was kind
of breaking through. And the excitingthing too about this, you know,
we have this, this is ourown little desert thing. Because if you
you're at the same time, inthis same period of time, Roswell was
happening, but you know, Roswellwas getting all the press, Roswell was
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getting all the notoriety. But outhere, this was going on here in
our little neck of the woods,our little desert. So um, it
was kind of a kind of aneat little thing. And and what's really
another little thing too, being ahistorian, when you when I first came
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out here and I started talking topeople about it and really talking to a
lot of the old timers, theirtheir recollection of that particular time noting and
seeing UFOs and the skies, thelocal skies was so secondary. It was
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it was commonplace that in many ofthe newspapers and moonsletters and local little newsletters
that these that the little communities hadhere, they would have people call in
and document their sightings. So that'swhat became so interesting to me too,
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as as a historian here. Well, we've kind of circled back around,
haven't we. And we have this, we have this new new ish kind
of collective campfire that we call theInternet. And it just you know,
there isn't a day that goes bythat these sites don't. There's so many
UFO sites now and they're putting upliterally daily sightings from around the world.
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It's become very commonplace. People cantalk about it. They can debate the
reality of the video or the photosor the experiences, and I think that
has really and via the Internet,um a lot of I think more than
than in the past. Until youget back into the timeframe you're talking about,
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the mainstream media is picking up onit too. So we've kind of
circled back around from fifty sixty,seventy years ago when some of this was
you know, pretty well perceived tobe something that was inevitable and then it
kind of went away and became apooh pooed topic, and it really seemed
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to be coming back again. Ithink that's pretty amazing that you're able to
go out on your tour, sonot only do you speak at the actual
conference and talk about the rock andexperiences in the history of the area,
but you also take a tour outto the rock itself. Now, as
I understand it, something happened tothe rock in two thousand or thereabouts.
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What was that? What happened?Oh, yes, in February of two
thousand, the rock split, andhow it was perceived that In some of
the documentation that has been written,there was a hoping prophecy, and the
hopie prophecy had mentioned that if thisrock split and it's split down the middle,
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it meant that mankind was going tobe doomed. That you know,
life was we were going to ceaseto exist as a species. But if
it's split to either side, thatwe would continue on and life would go
on and we would learn from it. And of course the rock did split.
Now, as a historian, Ialso have to discuss, you know,
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and being very discerning about how it'ssplit and why it split. There
are also other stories about that behindthat story, So those are things I
will also cover in my talk whenI do have my my speaking engagement on
Saturday at Contact in the Desert.But you know, for many people,
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what I always say, no matterwhat happened to that rock, that walk
is millions of years old, oldmillions, and no matter what happened,
it picked February twenty first, theyear two thousand to split off. And
for me, that's always the timeand date is always makes it austitious,
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no matter what or why in allthe circumstances of how it happened. But
you know, because when you havesomething that old, it could have split
any time. Some people say,you know, it was because of a
hot and cold somebody put a bombunder it, somebody did it, somebody
did this and that, and thereare a lot of facts and science behind
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why it could have split at thatparticular spot. But but you always,
just I always go back to somewhatof the numerology and the time and the
place of why it might have splitthat time. So, you know,
and I like to examine that andget people thinking a little bit. You
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think because something you mentioned about um, the documentation that we had, you
know, an interesting thing as ahistorian, you know, when we document
history, especially going back to thethirties, forties and history previous to the
smartphone, the only way we documentedit was word of mouth. And as
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we know, people have a tendencyto exaggerate or they take stories and will
make them into something different over time. So you know, a lot of
a lot of the stories and thingsthat I have on on Giant Rock.
You know, you have your newspaperarticles, and you have the oral histories,
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and you have those things that today, how we document our history is
almost instantly because of because of ourcell phones. Because of that instant documentation,
we can do that. And thenI'm going to give a butt to
that, because even when we candocument document history exactly how it's happened,
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when it's happening, we still havea controversy sometimes of that. So you
know, that's why it's always niceto discuss it and to have people of
science and other people examine photos andexamine things with regards to especially things like
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UFOs and and other things that areout there and today especially when you have
technology such as photoshop. And I'mgoing to give you an example. Two
weeks ago, just here in JoshuaTree, I was out and about and
we were with a friend and wewere over at a railroad museum just down
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the road from where the Contact inthe Desert is being held. And a
friend of mine took a picture ofme and my husband while we were in
this railroad and when she went home, she downloaded a bunch of photos to
me. And when we got thephotos back, I opened them up and
I went, ha, ha,nice nice trick photo shopping the UFO in
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the background. And she emailed meback and she says, what are you
talking about? She had no ideathat when she took the picture of me
and my husband there's this, there'sa UFO in the in the background of
our photograph. And that is uhwow, yeah, talk about the proof
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in the pudding. I live outthere, right, yeah, I live
here, and uh and and itand actually the place where it was.
And we put it up on Facebookand we had everybody in the world examined
it. I examined it, youknow, and everybody's everybody wanted to know
how fast was it going, whatkind of speed is you know, were
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you shooting this at? What areyou doing it at? And you know,
nowadays you can do all you know, you examine it really thoroughly,
and you can't unravel this one.It's here and you just really have to
say, yet, we don't knowwhat it is, We have no idea
it's and we didn't even know itwas in the photo. Nobody knew,
nobody saw it when it was taken, and so we have this picture of
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all And I even remember going onthis little thing singing, you know,
I'll take the last train to Clarksville. We were waving and the UFOs they're
sitting in the background. So it'stoo funny. Well, that is an
amazing story to end with. Ourtime has gone so quickly. Thank you
so much. Barbara, is reallya pleasure to speak with you. Again.
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We are talking about Contact in theDesert, and we had a nice
visit with Jim Mars and now BarbaraHarris. They are both speaking at the
event in various guises, in variousforms, and Barbara also leads a tour
group out to Giant Rock in themiddle of the desert, where you can
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see some of the stuff for yourself. She told us in fact, on
one of the tours a couple ofyears ago, for this very event Contact
in the Desert, they really didsee a UFO out in the desert.
It's amazing. If you're interested inattending what has become, in many people's
opinion, the most important UFO conventionin the US. Again, it's Contact
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in the Desert. And the websiteis Contact in the Desert dot com.
This year, the event will beat the end of May. There's about
three dozen speakers covering a wide rangeof topics pretty much anything you can think
of that has to do with aliens, history of aliens, UFOs, and
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on and on, and it isquite an event. All right, Well,
Barbara, thank you so much forstopping by. I know you're gonna
have a great time, and Ienvy all of those who get to attend.
Now, please come. We'll havea good time and definitely, definitely,
I will almost promise we'll see somethingin the sky somewhere. So okay,
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all right, thank you for havingme. Thank you so much.
All Right, I'm Eric Olsen.This is America's most Haunted radio. We're
here live on the IPB and networkevery Tuesday night at eight eastern, seventh
Central. And now I also joinJoel Sturgis every Thursday night at nine eastern.
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Yes you do, man, Andwe're on several different radio networks.
I just one let everyone know thatas well. I might be hearing,
including Urt Bell's Dark Matter Radio fantastic. Well, I'll I'll keep my mouth
shut. Then, Oh no,I have to talk. It's radio,
all right. Well, thanks forall the help, Joel, and we
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will see all of you on Thursdaynight and next Tuesday with America's most Haunted
Mounting, my friends, my miracles, and it's time once again for America's
Most Haunted Radio, bringing together thefindest minds of personalities from across the paranormalous
spectrum. And there you go,Eric, just for you man, all
right, thank you. Joel Sturgis, the world famous ass kicking Joel Sturgis
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is running the board for America's MostHaunted And because Teresa Arge, the world
famous Haunted housewife, had a schedulingconflict for the evening, Joel will also
be stopping in now and then asco host. We are honored, my
friends, and what a show wehave Tonight. We're previewing the Contact in
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the Desert UFO conference with New YorkTimes bestselling author and investigative journalist Jim Mars,
Joshua Tree, historian and giant rockexpert. This woman knows all about
giant rocks, Barbara Us and theevent organizer, the Grand Puba of Contact
in the Desert, Paul Andrews.This year, which is only the third
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year, the Eagle as landing atthe third annual Contact in the Desert as
celebrated American astronauts Edgar Mitchell and StoryMusgrave joined headliners Cherry to the Gods author
Eric Vandonikan Ancient Aliens legend with thefreaky ass hair, Georgios, I never
I always forget how to say that, Sucalos. Someone will tell me I've
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been. It'll be Jim and ourbut judge George Nori, who we just
saw over the weekend at the KentParanormal Weekend. He is also a UFO
guy, and he's host, ofcourse, of Coast to Coast Radio AM
and an army of additional UFO expertsand agitators will be at the Joshua Tree
Conference Center May twenty ninth through thirtyfirst. It's a couple of months earlier
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this year. Interested to hear whythey've made that change. But up first
with us is Jim Mars. Welcome. Jim, Hey guys, it's great
to be with you. What apleasure. Yes, I think you were
in fact on with us last yearwhen we were previewing the show, and
I was staggered by the width andbreadth of your knowledge and background and experience.
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For that matter, for those wholive in caves, let's tell them
who you are. Award winning investigativejournalist and best selling author, Jim Mars
will speak on topics addressed in hislatest book, Our Occulted History to the
Global Elite Console Conceal Ancient Aliens,addressing the omissions and distortions in history,
from the strange star Child's skull tothe exact location of Atlantis, to the
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genesis of our h negative blood typesand the powerful families of the Black Nobility.
No stone will be left unturned.Wow, I want to go,
Jim, but I guess you'll giveus a little bit of a preview.
How are you well, I'm doingjust lovely and I can answer your question,
the burning question of why they movedit from August till the end of
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May, please. Well, apparentlythere were some folks who came from Yankee
climates who decided it was just toohot in the desert in August May,
so they wouldn't be quite so hot. Of course, I'm from Texas,
and it seemed pretty normal to me. Yeah, boy, I hadn't even
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thought of that. Yep, Augustin the desert, even though it's the
high desert, I believe, right, is nonetheless very very toasty. All
right, I found it. Ifound it personally pretty pretty uh comfortable,
because, yes, in the inthe height of the of the day,
he got pretty hot, but itwas a dry heat. If you've got
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in the shade, you're kind ofbouquet. And at night it actually got
fairly cool. And of course whereI come from them here in Texas,
and when it gets August, itis hot in the daytime and it's hot
at night. Oh yeah, Well, I'm a big baseball fan, so
I'm always hearing, Uh, whatthe poor Rangers have to deal with.
I guess they have a retractable roof, now, don't they on the stadium?
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Yeah, or some kind of giantair conditioner. I don't room,
yeah, because that's what they're alwayssaying. It's not It's not just that
it's ninety five to one hundred andfive or whatever in the day, but
then it barely cools off at night. And you're right in the high desert.
I'm actually from southern California, soI've been out there a lot.
Apparents used to own some land outin Apple Valley, and uh, kind
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of year round, it really doescool off at night, right, Yeah,
I've seen I've seen at ninety fiveone hundred degrees at midnight here in
North Texas. Whoa boy, well, that's yeah, it is. But
this is going to be a lotbetter. I think in May, the
temperatures will be real pleasant and thedesert is a dry place. It's really
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nice. In fact, I thinka lot of people are getting in on
the action, because this will makethe third year that I've attended the contact
in the desert, And the firstyear they were expecting I think about four
hundred people and they ended up withmore than six or seven hundred, so
they expanded their facilities and prepared formore. And the second year they were
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gonna hopefully get maybe up to eighthundred or so, and they had over
a thousand. And then last summerthey were preparing for maybe twelve hundred than
they had. I believe they hadalmost two thousand people there. So it's
really exciting because what that shows meis something that I've kind of decided anyway
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in my travels around the country,that there is a consciousness raising going on
among the public. And the interestis interesting too. Two years ago,
the people who were there were mostlyinterested in the UFO issue, but last
year I noticed a whole lot ofpeople that were there were not only interested
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in UFOs and possible et visitation,but also wanted to know about the government
conspiracies and who was behind nine toeleven and who killed Kennedy. And I
mean, I don't know. Therejust seems to be a general general consciousness
raising going on in the country.And who better to talk of such things
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than the original JFK conspiracy digger,upper person archaeologist, you, the world
famous Jim mars. I remember wewere talking about that, and I,
you know, I had a vaguenotion of your background. Certainly was aware
of who you are for last talk, but I didn't realize that you really
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were the guy to popularize some ofthese underlying issues and theories, you know,
regarding the JFK assassination, which isstill, I guess to this day,
the one that people are most justmaniacal and fanatical about. Right well,
I think that's because there is somuch more known now today than on
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so many of the other conspiratorial topics. And yes, I've been on it
since the day had happened. Iwas a sophomore at North Texas University studying
for a degree in journalism, andthat was only about thirty miles north of
Dallas. In fact, i'd beenin Dallas. Had a lot of said
my roommates were from Dallas, andin fact I had I got a picture
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of me dancing in Jack Ruby's Carouselclub, and it was taken a month
before the Kennedy assassination, and beforeJack Ruby his name got to be so
notorious. And also and I waswell aware of who was Dallas and the
politics at the time. And thenI was up gathering information and watching TV
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within about fifteen or twenty minutes ofthe shooting. So I've been on it
from the get go. And thenin the mid seventies, about nineteen seventy
five, I believe I was invitedto teach a course on the Kennedy assassination
at the University of Texas and Arlingtonthere between Dallas and Fort Worth, And
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so every fall, every spring,I'd be rerunning those newsreels and announcements and
pictures and documents and so the wholething. It's hard for me to believe
that that's been more than fifty yearsago. Well, Jim, two years,
I guess, because it's still freshin my mind. I hate the
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bust into your guys, but I'venever been able to ask Jim this question.
I always want to interview you,Jim never had a chats who killed
Kennedy? Well, first you haveto answer, do you want to know?
Are you asking who pulled a trigger? Or are you asking who was
behind it? Oh? I think, uh, well Lee Harvey. Yes.
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But see when I was a kid, we were tilling. Just to
give a little background where the questionscoming from. We were always tells Lee
Harvey Oswald. Of course, likeeverybody, Well that's the official verdict,
but that's been severely called into question. Who orchestructed back. Think a objective
look at all the evidence would probablyshow you that Lee Harvey Oswald if if
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he even fired a shot that day, and that's a huge, big if,
because just as the Dallas police chiefback in seventy said, you know,
we never could put Oswald in thatwindow with that rifle, which is
absolutely true. But if Oswald evenfired a shot, he certainly was not
alone. There was another shot fromthe Grassyno and possibly even other occasions,
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which by very definition means there wasa conspiracy. Now, if there was
a conspiracy, and here we arefifty two three years later and we don't
know the truth of that conspiracy,then that can only be laid at the
feet of federal officials who told usand still try to maintain that it was
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only Oswald by himself. And sothen that is what has elevated what at
the time was simply another Texas homicideinto a national two DETA. Just one
more quick note here, ericet backwhat I found though, just through doing
my own little bit of digging,and nowhere near the extent that you have
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done, I have kind of comeacross that it could have been George W
or George Bush senior. He wasthe director of the CIA at the time.
No, he did not become directorof the CIA until our only unelected
president, Jerald R. Ford,pointed him o kaid of the CIA about
nineteen seventy five. But there isevidence to show that George Herbert Walker Bush
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was in Dallas at the time,and in fact, there is a photograph
that many people believe is him standingin front of the Texas school book the
Bottles Story at the time of theassassination. Wow, I've never heard that
one the first president George Bush.Yes, George Herbert Walker Bush. Too
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many names, right, He's thefather of George W. Exactly. These
patricians have too many names. That'sright. Okay, Well, that is
interesting, very interesting. In fact, I interviewed a fellow who, as
a young boy, his father wasinvolved in Texas politics at the time,
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and he knew George Herbert Walker Bushand in fact encountered him in the hallway
of the Adolphus Hotel the night beforethe Kenney assassination, in the hallway speaking
with whispering with none other than RichardNixon. Wow. So that puts both
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of them in Dallas the night beforethe assassination. And there's really never been
any question about Nixon because he wasin Dallas that morning and in fact flew
out just prior to the shooting.So what after all of these years,
nay, decades of teaching the topic. Obviously you researched it extraordinarily thoroughly before
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he wrote the book. And wehaven't even mentioned that you were consultant on
the Oliver Stone JFK film. Soyou participated in that and provided information.
What is your personal opinion on whathappened? Who is behind it? Okay?
President Kennedy had, by the fallof nineteen sixty three, had made
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the horrendous mistake of actually believing hewas president of the United States, and
he was taking actions that he trulybelieved would be in the best interest of
the people of this country, andthat includes shutting down the Vietnam War.
He said he agreed with pulling allUnited States troops out of Vietnam by the
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end of sixty five, and infact, in early November of sixty three
he even said, make no formalannouncement, but begin the withdrawal of one
thousand military advisors. So he wasgoing to shut down the Vietnam War.
His brother, Robert Kennedy, asAttorney General, was prosecuting organized crime like
never before or since. And infact, one of the members of the
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Kennedy family once told me that ifthis assassination had not taken place, that
by another few years, they mayhave eliminated all organized crime in the United
States. Think about that. Hewas in communication with Krushchev and they were
very serious about ending the Coal Warat that time. He also, in
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nineteen sixty two passed the Kennedy TaxAct, where he began to close the
tax loopholes for the multinational corporations,okay, which are now so dominant in
our life. So he was andof course he was pushing for civil rights,
and so he had managed to angerand alienate all the important violent groups
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in this country. The CIA,f behind the military, the anti Castrol,
Cubans, the mafia, and wenow know that they were all at
certain places, certain levels, workingtogether, and so the word was passed
nobody's going to get too upset assomething Hattan to Kennedy, and so this
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allowed them to push through with someof their contingency plans we know. I
think it centered in the Operation Mongoose, which was the secret war against Castro.
In that war which is being runout of the gymwave station on the
campus of the University of Miami,we see a nexus of CIA and US
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military, anti Castro, Cubans,mafia hitmen, and they're all working together.
And I think the word came thatthe real problem was not in Atlanta
is in Washington, d C.So they simply sent some of these hit
squads to Dallas. But of coursethey needed cover and they needed a scapegoat,
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so they found Lee Harvey Oswald,a patriotic young American who had become
embroiled with the CIA with naval intelligencewhen he entered the Marine Corps, and
they sent him to Russia on somekind of mission, and then when he
came back, they used him andset him up to be the patsy in
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the assassination. And he used thatterm himself in Dallas when they ask him
if he killed the president, andessentially he said, no, I haven't
killed anybody. I'm just a patsy, which is really interesting because when he
says I'm a patsy, that's morethan just saying I didn't do it.
That's saying I was set up totake the blame for this, which is
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true and the truth of the assassination. There were multiple government there. It
was a military style ambush, multipleshots fired, maybe as many as nine
or ten. This is what theacoustical scientist of the House Select Commte on
Assassinations testified. They said there wasmany as ten sounds on the Dallas police
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radio tapes that they could not ruleout as being gunshots. And yet since
they only test fired from too lowssixth floor the Book Depository building and the
defense on the Grassy Knoll, theycould only say with scientific probability that the
shots came from those two locations,but it might have come from other and
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it was the cover up of thetruth of the assassination. I'll give you
one glaring example. The night ofthe assassination, against all law and protocol,
on orders from Washington, all ofthe evidence in the case was taken
away from the Dallas police and shippedto the FBI in Washington, which of
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course was under the total domination ofone man, jed Or Hoover. The
next day there was a document signedby Hoover himself that said their fingerprint experts
could not find any usable fingerprints onthe rifle or the clip or even the
disassembled parts of the rifle, sothere's no fingerprints on Sunday. That rifle
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was shipped back to Dallas. OnMonday morning to FBI agents. Harrison and
Vincent Draine carried the rifle over themiddle of funeral home in Fort Worth where
they were preparing Oswald's body for burial. The funeral home director Paul Grudy,
who I was very good friends withat the time because I became the police
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reporter for the Four Star Telegram andhe was one of my really good news
sources. Because in addition to runningthe funeral home, they also ran the
ambulance service that picked up all theshootings and crashes and everything else. And
he told me years ago and thenhas repeated this on national radio just a
few years ago, that he waspresent when the FBI came in and placed
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Oswald's dead hand on the rifle.And it was that night that Henry Wade,
the District Attorney of Dallas, wasspeaking to the news media and he
says, have I mentioned we've gothis finger prints on the rifle. Well,
that pretty well sensed his guilt inthe minds of the public. So
this is it was the cover up. Anybody could have killed Kennedy, including
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the proverbial lone nut. The thingthat really is telling is not the shooting
itself, but the subsequent cover up. And it was this cover up that
transformed what legally at that time wassimply another Texas homicide into a national coupe
tap a coup. But dang,that is the mind reels, the mind
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boggles. It's an amazing, amazingstory. We could do about five shows
just on that. Clearly you arethe man for the topic. I guess
we do need to address a bitof contact in the desert. What will
you be talking about there? Well, they've got me scheduled for several talks.
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One of them is going to bethe evidence. Which I have since
spoken to some other compatriots that havebeen studying the same material I have,
and we're all kind of under theopinion that the evidence for ancient astronauts or
extraterrestrial visitation on the Earth in prehistorictimes is at the worst compelling, at
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best overwhelming. It's just there.You just have to I have to look
at it. So and there's beena tremendous cover up in that area too.
So we're going to be talking aboutthe evidence for extraterrestrial presence not only
on the Earth, but in oursolar system that goes back to prehistory.
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And then had another talk. I'mgoing to raise the question of, well,
assuming all that's correct, and therewas this extraterrestrial presence on the Earth
in the distant past, what happened? Did they all leave or at least
some of them still? Are theystill around? If they are, who
are they? And where are they? And I will try to answer those
questions, Oh, you are leavingme hanging. I have pins and needles
(21:15):
to transaction the desert. You Iwe'd better get there. Can you give
us a little bit of a head, give us a little clue about some
little tidbit that you're going to putout there. I can tell you the
gist of it, which is,there is really no question that there is
a handful of people, very wealthy, very powerful, who control the vast
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majority of the giant multinational corporations onthis world. And what I went into
my book Our Cultured History with aworking hypothesis. It was can they be
tracked back to the stories and legendshots in the innsk Yes? Wow,
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you mean an actual unbroken timeline prettymuch. And it all connects through the
secret societies that are all connected today. Is the Builderberg Bunch that meets once
a year, and the intercorep Elitethat belonged to Counsel and Foreign Relations,
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and it's spent off the Trilateral Commission, and all of that was created by
Cecil Rhoades round Tables, which hehimself called a secret society, which was
an outgrowth of illuminised Freemasonry, whichgrew out of the Freemason movement and was
viewed with the Illuminati ideals. Andthat tracks back to the fact that the
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the Freemasons were formed by the Night'sTemplars who gained all this hesteric knowledge during
the crucial aids over in the HolyLand, and the knowledge they gained was
came from the mystery schools of Romeand Greece, which then we're laid predicated
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on the mystery schools of ancient Egypt, which in fact were simply the ancient
knowledge handed down from the world's firstreal civilization in Sumar are the Sumerian civilization,
which was between the Tigers and Euphrates, rivers in the one place in
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the world today that we can't justfreely go travel too, and that is
now, of course Arach, allright. And then according to the ancient
Sumerian tablets, about half a millionof which are still in existence on not
once, but several places where theybegan the history, it says that about
more than three hundred thousand years agothe a Enachi arrived. Well Enachi have
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been translated as those who came fromthe heavens and landed on the earth.
So there you go, And nowI am just my mind is swimming with
the notion that there really are nokidding in the real world, human beings
who have alien blood? Who arethey? How do we know this?
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And how much do you? Howmuch blood do they have? And what
difference does it make. Well,now you're getting into the real truth of
the matter and the investigation thing,which has to do with the bloodlines.
Okay um, who's been interested somuch in the bloodlines? Well, the
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the Pharaohs was go all the wayback to Pharaohs, and then the Caesars
of Rome, the royalty of Europe, the Windsors that are now the ruling
family in Britain, and guests who'srelated blood relations to the Windsors? George
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W. Bush, Al Gore,John Kerry, and Barack Hussein Obama.
Wow, that's pretty amazing. Howfar removed. I think it was Lynn
Cheney, Dick Cheney's wife, whowas researching a book on the Cheney family
and found out that Obama is ajust meant I tell you, I think
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it's I want to let's say tenthcousin removed. I'm I'm getting to where
I may not know everything, butI know where to go find it.
Well, that's what the Internet doesto you. You stop remembering things because
you can just go look it up. I know that's unfortunate. The the
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Internet has become my memory. That'sinteresting. It's not farther back than that.
If you think about it, whenwhen the brain, when the human
brain really started changing, was wayback at the invention, the invention of
writing, because now you don't haveto remember everything. That's true that you
had to remember every bit of humanknowledge. Everyone had to memorize everything.
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As soon as you can start writingit down, you can start clearing out
a big portion of your brain.Yeah, that's true. You know,
that's something interesting. I saw athing the other day. You know,
we we we've kind of been toldthat we only use about ten percent of
our brain. Yes, that isthe common statement. I'm not sure it's
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true, but okay, well it'snot because well, in a way it
is, because they're talking about theuh, the neurological brain, our brain.
It's something about kim. But therest of the whole hundred percent is
the software, if you will,the activity that carries the thought energy pulses
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in our brain. So, actually, that's wrong. We actually use one
hundred percent of our brain, atleast some people do. Well, it's
a holistic kind of thing. That'swhat they're finding out. Now. The
brain like a network, and it'ssomething that various parts of the brain are
firing in different ways and in conjunctionwith each other. So it's not really
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geographical thing that's you know, reallynarrowly defined. This area does exactly this,
and this area does exactly this.Part of that is true, but
what seems to be what they seemto be finding now is that a lot
of these sections work together, andit's that overarching thing that's different, and
that's consciousness. Is yes, andthat's why if you're on, if we
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actually truly we're on't using ten percentof our brain, we wouldn't be able
to come up with much. We'dbe eating, sleeping, passing gas.
That'd be about it. Yeah,well I'll come take over. I know
a lot of people like that.Yeah, I mean it's not like people
like people don't do that, thatis for sure. Hey, I'm really
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interesting because we're about to get intothe break here, just the break.
Let me tell you the relationship here. What Dick Cheney's wife found in researching
his family was that Brock who SaintObama is an eighth cousin to Dick Cheney
because Obama is a descendant of MaureenDuval of French Huguenot, whose son married
the granddaughter by Richard Cheney, whohad arrived in Maryland in the late sixteen
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fifties from England, So that's theconnection. Well, in other words,
he's of the blood, because thechanging fundamental question on that topic is how
much of this ancient now alien blooddo any of these people have and what
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you know, what difference does itmake? How are they different? Well,
all right, here's another tip off. Anyone who's actually studied the world
economics understands that the Rothchild banking dynastyis way up at the top end of
the pyramid of power as far asmoney, wealth and position goes in the
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world. The Rothschilds themselves have claimedthat they are the descendants of the Sumerian
god king Nimrod, and in fact, they have named they in the past.
They even named one of the Rothschildchildren Nimrod. That's not a flattering
sounding name. Oh it's not.I know. When I was in school,
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as somebody said, hey, youNimrod. That's fighting words we used
to use, like yeah, yeah, sorry, we used to use that
as a yeah, as an insultway back in the you're such a Nimrod
and right up, yeah, it'sright up there with Tom somebody a dipstick.
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Yeah, I'd rather be a nimrod, I guess in a dipstick.
All right, well, Joel,I guess we're at the bottom of the
hour. Why don't we off oneor two more of our guests in If
Jim would like to stick around,we'd love to have him. Otherwise you
are, uh, I'm gonna leavethe okay? All right? Well,
unfortunately I am pretty male swamp here. I'm still putting the finishing touches on
(30:41):
an edit for a new book,so I'm gonna have to run. But
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This evening is Joel's Sturgis And justso you know, I am Joel's co
host on his show on Thursday night. Hold Eric, our show, our
show still think in terms of hisin terms of the origins, but yes,
now our show, which is afterhours a m. On Thursday nights.
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I am very excited about that.And that is also, broadly speaking,
a paranormal oriented show. So howfun is that? All Right again,
we are talking Contact in the Desert. We just got off the phone
with Jim Mars, very very famousinvestigative journalist and best selling author, probably
(35:43):
the authority on the JFK conspiracy theories, and we were talking about that and
also the other topics he will beaddressing at Contact in the Desert. This
year, the third year Contact inthe Desert. It's a little bit earlier
in the year we were asking whythat was. It's because it's so damn
hot in August. So this yearit will be at the again Joshua Tree
(36:07):
Conference Center, but in May Maytwenty ninth through thirty first. And our
next guest, who we also spoketo last time, I recall and had
a very very nice chat with beforethe with the preview of the last Contact
the Desert, and her name isBarbara Harris and she is a Joshua Tree
(36:27):
area historian and tour guide. WelcomeBarbara, Hi, Joel Hi. Everybody
m back to back to the deserthere. Everybody's coming back in May this
time. Hopefully it's going to bea little bit, a little bit cooler.
I know it'd be cooler in theevening. I hear, I hear
some of the flatlanders we're having problemswith the temperature and whatnot. I would
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die in the desert. I'm fromMinnesota, Okay, I'm just throwing that
out there. You know what,It's a dry heat, that's what they
can't tell them there. And it'shot, and you know it's not the
heat, it's the stupidity. Ohnah, you know, I'm humidity and
there is none in the desert,which is why it's good. But you
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know what, the evenings, youcan't beat the evenings up here in this
desert. And that's the part that'sso cool and so nice is because you
go out and you look up atthe stars and then you get to see
all this sparkling little stars and thenyou don't know which ones you're looking at
and the ones that turn out tobe UFOs, you know, but those
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are the ones the people that tookmy tours over the past couple of years,
you know that those are the onesthat have had some experiences out there.
Yep, those are the ones agiant rock that we went out there
at night and uh and we'd lookup at the stars and I'd think that
they were were satellites and we wereproven wrong. They would be like Paul
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fading and you know, be big, big UFOs up there. So people
had sightings out there doing things thatsatellites do not do. In other words,
yes, yes, we had JamesGillian with us out there, not
this past year, the year beforeand in one of our episodes we actually
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we pointed up to he pointed upto the sky and he goes, oh,
look, there's one right now asJames usually does. You know,
he's real popular and he knows howto point out UFOs and me and all
my brilliance. I sat there oneday with him and I said, no,
no, no, that's just asatellite, and he goes, now,
it's not. And all of asudden he pulls out a little you
(38:39):
know, a little pointer and hepoints up at it, and he looks
at it, and he goes powerup, and the thing in the sky
literally stops. It stops in thesky like a satellite would not do.
And then at this decides to gobackwards. And then all of a sudden,
(39:02):
it just starts pulsating and you seethis big light going and and we're
all standing there, my little groupat the tour of Giant Rock, and
we're sitting out there watching a sighting, and yeah, those are the kind
of things you get to see itat Contacted the Death. That is amazing.
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It really is. And I guessI haven't really given all of the
important contact info I'm contact for thecontact. I am glad that you reminded
me of that, that we needto do that. So there's still plenty
of tickets available. As you heardJim say, though, boy, every
year there's doubling, tripling the numberof people attending, so this really is
(39:47):
a burgeoning event. But the wayto get ahold of everyone is and get
all the information and see what it'sall about and decide if it's for you
and if you can make it,it's just go who contact in the Desert
dot com. They also have aFacebook page which is very active and a
lot going on there. All right, Barbara, why don't you give us
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a little bit of background on yourselfand how you came to be the sort
of Joshua Tree historian, slash tourguide and the expert on giant rock,
which most people are. Many peoplemay not know what that is. Yes,
I'm known as a Giant Rock lady. And for those who don't know,
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Giant Rock was once considered the largestfreestanding boulder in the world. Okay,
so everybody knows about Airs Rock inAustralia, but we have our own
little boulder out here in the worldin the desert. And this boulder is
approximately was approximately twenty five thousand tons. It covers an area over like six
(40:53):
thousand square feet and stands about sevenstories tall. So it just sits there
in the middle of this desert andso and it was a very sacred space
to the Native American Indians, andthe Native American Indians from this area used
to conduct their ceremonies. They usedto actually call them seances, and they
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would come there, do their ceremoniesand then venture on. Now we didn't
have regular we have nomadic Native Americansin this area, so we didn't have
one specific tribe. So they wouldbe going from maybe like Arizona on their
way up to the mountains in thespring and the fall, and they would
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basically be stopping at this rock.And it was around the eighteen hundreds that
there was the first white man namedCharlie Ricci. And Charlie Ricci actually was
the first white man to have aceremony at this rock. And why he
becomes important because he eventually this mannamed Frank Kretzer. And where Frank Kretzer.
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I'm jumping ahead on a lot ofthis, because Frank Kretzer becomes very
important because he is a man whocame out to this rock and he dug
under this rock and made a homeunder this rock. And and if anybody
reads about Frank Kretzer, he washe was considered a German spy. So
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and this is all during World Wartwo and a whole big time and the
government was out after him. Andeventually Frank meant his demise because he blew
himself up underneath the rock. Sohe has a whole other story. Wow.
Yeah, you know, this becomesreally crazy, but we're really connects
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cool and really neat because you gotthis guy, Richie Kretzer, and then
Chritzer met this man who we allknow is George van's Tassel, and George
van Castle became friends with this guy, um, Frank Kretzer. And so
after Frank Kreitzer kind of blew himselfup under this rock, um, George
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van Tassel, who knew Frank,kind of saw that there was this vacancy
under the rock, and George vanTassel, who lived on the coast,
decided to move his family under thisrock. Now you got to remember they're
literally living under a rock. I'msorry, I couldn't I apologize. Now
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here's here's the interesting thing. FrankKreitzer, Um, he moved there because
he was going to do mining.You got to go back to like the
early you know, nineteen twentieth century, and it was nineteen thirty around that
time, nineteen thirty, nineteen fortiesand um, and he was going to
mine that area. And what washappening in that particular era if the government
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was giving away land, they werethey were doing this thing called homesteading,
so you could go out to thedesert and pick up five acres of land
for free. However, you know, Frank's story gets real involved, in
real in depth, and that's whatI will go into at my talk at
Contact in the Desert and I'll connectthe pieces of why he is so important
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with George Vantassle because one of thethings that Frank Chreiser did is he built
the airport. He built an airportout at Giant Rock. And for many
people who don't know, there isan airport called Giant Rock Airport. So
after he did blow himself up underthis rock, George van Tasso had like
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this ready made house home. Hehad an airport there, and he decided
to move his family out to thisplace in the desert. And once George
moved his family out to this desertlocation, George van Tassle then started having
his own experiences out there and andon April nineteen forty seven, George van
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Tassel had his first a UFO conventiongoing on out there because prior to that
time he had had contact with thesebeings from Venus who came down and how
George had said what had happened wasthey had talked to him, and the
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gist of the whole conversation went that, you know, you know, your
human beings, you're coming along okayas a species. That it seems like
when you finally get to the placewhere you get it and you understand what's
going on, he die. Sothese people, these these beings from Venus,
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gave George van Tassel sometimes technology andgave him some plans on how to
build the integratron. So how manypeople out there you've heard of the integratron,
haven't you. I've heard of it, but I don't know what it
is, Okay. So the integratronwas also then a part of what made
George van Tassel. You know,that's part of his legacy because here you
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have George van Tassel, this guy, now he lives out of this giant
rock in the desert with his familyand and he builds a restaurant out there
and he has UFO conventions going onout there where get this, Now,
you've got to go back to thenineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, in early
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nineteen seventies where it was documented innineteen fifty nine where as many as fifteen
thousand people came on to this boulderto listen to George van Tassel and some
of the original contactees, like whenyou go back to Georgia Danski, Daniel
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Fry, and you know, theoriginal people that would have these contacts with
extraterrestrials at the time, and theywould gather out there in the desert and
they would have these speakers on stands, and they would come into the airport
and they would fly in and withtheir airplanes, they would come in with
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motor homes. It was kind oflike the Burning Man of its time,
if you might say. And itwas a place where people could come and
talk about their experiences. And thiswas a big event. And what came
off of it was George van Tassowas able to use this as a launch
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pad in order for him to buildhis Integratron, which was supposed to be
are we jew Venetian machine that wouldhelp humans live longer, so but that
never happened because Van Castle died beforeit ever got turned on, ironically enough,
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Yeah, yeah, So you know, it's it's a fascinating whole story
and how they all connect together isjust all. It all is just so
amazing. And what what has drivenme to this place? You know?
Because you go out there and itis in the desert, and we when
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we take our tours and we takepeople out there and they trust me to
drive them out there to this desertrock and you sit there in the middle
of the night. We actually staytill gets very dark so we can watch
the night skies and m You haveto kind of go back to that time
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in the four these fifties and sixtieswhen there wasn't a time where you had
porta potties and you had the convenienceof air conditionings and and a lot of
the convenience that you have today.And you sit out there and if not
anything, you could almost feel thespirits of the past and all the people
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that used to come to that areato experience these um contacts and these um
you know, the experience of youknow, listening to people talk about X
files and people talk about their experiencesof having having contact with extraterrestrials before people
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were allowed to talk about it.You know, that's where it was kind
of breaking through. And the excitingthing too about this, you know,
we have this, this is ourown little desert thing. Because if you
you're at the same time, inthis same period of time, Roswell was
happening, but you know, Roswellwas getting all the press, Roswell was
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getting all the notoriety. But outhere, this was going on here in
our little neck of the woods,our little desert. So um, it
was kind of a kind of aneat little thing. And and what's really
another little thing too, being ahistorian, when you when I first came
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out here and I started talking topeople about it and really talking to a
lot of the old timers, theirtheir recollection of that particular time noting and
seeing UFOs and the skies, thelocal skies was so secondary. It was
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it was commonplace that in many ofthe newspapers and moonsletters and local little newsletters
that these that the little communities hadhere, they would have people call in
and document their sightings. So that'swhat became so interesting to me too,
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as as a historian here. Well, we've kind of circled back around,
haven't we. And we have this, we have this new new ish kind
of collective campfire that we call theInternet. And it just you know,
there isn't a day that goes bythat these sites don't. There's so many
UFO sites now and they're putting upliterally daily sightings from around the world.
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It's become very commonplace. People cantalk about it. They can debate the
reality of the video or the photosor the experiences, and I think that
has really and via the Internet,um a lot of I think more than
than in the past. Until youget back into the timeframe you're talking about,
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the mainstream media is picking up onit too. So we've kind of
circled back around from fifty sixty,seventy years ago when some of this was
you know, pretty well perceived tobe something that was inevitable and then it
kind of went away and became apooh pooed topic, and it really seemed
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to be coming back again. Ithink that's pretty amazing that you're able to
go out on your tour, sonot only do you speak at the actual
conference and talk about the rock andexperiences in the history of the area,
but you also take a tour outto the rock itself. Now, as
I understand it, something happened tothe rock in two thousand or thereabouts.
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What was that? What happened?Oh, yes, in February of two
thousand, the rock split, andhow it was perceived that In some of
the documentation that has been written,there was a hoping prophecy, and the
hopie prophecy had mentioned that if thisrock split and it's split down the middle,
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it meant that mankind was going tobe doomed. That you know,
life was we were going to ceaseto exist as a species. But if
it's split to either side, thatwe would continue on and life would go
on and we would learn from it. And of course the rock did split.
Now, as a historian, Ialso have to discuss, you know,
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and being very discerning about how it'ssplit and why it split. There
are also other stories about that behindthat story, So those are things I
will also cover in my talk whenI do have my my speaking engagement on
Saturday at Contact in the Desert.But you know, for many people,
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what I always say, no matterwhat happened to that rock, that walk
is millions of years old, oldmillions, and no matter what happened,
it picked February twenty first, theyear two thousand to split off. And
for me, that's always the timeand date is always makes it austitious,
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no matter what or why in allthe circumstances of how it happened. But
you know, because when you havesomething that old, it could have split
any time. Some people say,you know, it was because of a
hot and cold somebody put a bombunder it, somebody did it, somebody
did this and that, and thereare a lot of facts and science behind
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why it could have split at thatparticular spot. But but you always,
just I always go back to somewhatof the numerology and the time and the
place of why it might have splitthat time. So, you know,
and I like to examine that andget people thinking a little bit. You
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think because something you mentioned about um, the documentation that we had, you
know, an interesting thing as ahistorian, you know, when we document
history, especially going back to thethirties, forties and history previous to the
smartphone, the only way we documentedit was word of mouth. And as
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we know, people have a tendencyto exaggerate or they take stories and will
make them into something different over time. So you know, a lot of
a lot of the stories and thingsthat I have on on Giant Rock.
You know, you have your newspaperarticles, and you have the oral histories,
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and you have those things that today, how we document our history is
almost instantly because of because of ourcell phones. Because of that instant documentation,
we can do that. And thenI'm going to give a butt to
that, because even when we candocument document history exactly how it's happened,
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when it's happening, we still havea controversy sometimes of that. So you
know, that's why it's always niceto discuss it and to have people of
science and other people examine photos andexamine things with regards to especially things like
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UFOs and and other things that areout there and today especially when you have
technology such as photoshop. And I'mgoing to give you an example. Two
weeks ago, just here in JoshuaTree, I was out and about and
we were with a friend and wewere over at a railroad museum just down
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the road from where the Contact inthe Desert is being held. And a
friend of mine took a picture ofme and my husband while we were in
this railroad and when she went home, she downloaded a bunch of photos to
me. And when we got thephotos back, I opened them up and
I went, ha, ha,nice nice trick photo shopping the UFO in
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the background. And she emailed meback and she says, what are you
talking about? She had no ideathat when she took the picture of me
and my husband there's this, there'sa UFO in the in the background of
our photograph. And that is uhwow, yeah, talk about the proof
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in the pudding. I live outthere, right, yeah, I live
here, and uh and and itand actually the place where it was.
And we put it up on Facebookand we had everybody in the world examined
it. I examined it, youknow, and everybody's everybody wanted to know
how fast was it going, whatkind of speed is you know, were
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you shooting this at? What areyou doing it at? And you know,
nowadays you can do all you know, you examine it really thoroughly,
and you can't unravel this one.It's here and you just really have to
say, yet, we don't knowwhat it is, We have no idea
it's and we didn't even know itwas in the photo. Nobody knew,
nobody saw it when it was taken, and so we have this picture of
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all And I even remember going onthis little thing singing, you know,
I'll take the last train to Clarksville. We were waving and the UFOs they're
sitting in the background. So it'stoo funny. Well, that is an
amazing story to end with. Ourtime has gone so quickly. Thank you
so much. Barbara, is reallya pleasure to speak with you. Again.
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We are talking about Contact in theDesert, and we had a nice
visit with Jim Mars and now BarbaraHarris. They are both speaking at the
event in various guises, in variousforms, and Barbara also leads a tour
group out to Giant Rock in themiddle of the desert, where you can
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see some of the stuff for yourself. She told us in fact, on
one of the tours a couple ofyears ago, for this very event Contact
in the Desert, they really didsee a UFO out in the desert.
It's amazing. If you're interested inattending what has become, in many people's
opinion, the most important UFO conventionin the US. Again, it's Contact
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in the Desert. And the websiteis Contact in the Desert dot com.
This year, the event will beat the end of May. There's about
three dozen speakers covering a wide rangeof topics pretty much anything you can think
of that has to do with aliens, history of aliens, UFOs, and
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on and on, and it isquite an event. All right, Well,
Barbara, thank you so much forstopping by. I know you're gonna
have a great time, and Ienvy all of those who get to attend.
Now, please come. We'll havea good time and definitely, definitely,
I will almost promise we'll see somethingin the sky somewhere. So okay,
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all right, thank you for havingme. Thank you so much.
All Right, I'm Eric Olsen.This is America's most Haunted radio. We're
here live on the IPB and networkevery Tuesday night at eight eastern, seventh
Central. And now I also joinJoel Sturgis every Thursday night at nine eastern.
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Yes you do, man, Andwe're on several different radio networks.
I just one let everyone know thatas well. I might be hearing,
including Urt Bell's Dark Matter Radio fantastic. Well, I'll I'll keep my mouth
shut. Then, Oh no,I have to talk. It's radio,
all right. Well, thanks forall the help, Joel, and we
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