AMHRadio Enters the GHOST ASYLUM with Chris Smith and Steven "Doogie" McDougal

Destination America's hit show GHOST ASYLUM airs Sundays at 10/9c. On this episode of America's Most Haunted Radio, hosts Eric Olsen and "Haunted Housewife" Theresa Argie speak with the stars of the show and leaders of the Tennessee Wraith Chasers paranormal team, Chris Smith and Steven "Doogie" McDougal.

On GHOST ASYLUM, the TWC team hunts down ghosts in the most frightening asylums, sanitariums, penitentiaries and haunted hotspots across the U.S. Stepping into abandoned locations that only the bravest dare enter, the team's goal is not just to conjure paranormal activity but to physically capture restless souls with their custom-created ghost traps.

WC founder Christopher Lee Smith was born and raised in Gallatin, Tennessee, and raised a strict Southern Baptist. After a frightening experience in his grandfather's barn, Chris began researching the phenomenon known as "shadow people," shadow-like humanoid figures seen mostly in peripheral vision. They are often regarded as malicious spirits, or "wraiths."

A skeptic of ghosts in the traditional sense, Chris believes that you die, you are judged, you go to your "long home." The nature of your home depends on your preparations with the "Big Man" upstairs prior to your appointment with the reaper.

TWC co-founder Steven "Doogie" McDougal was raised in a historic, and many say haunted, area of Middle Tennessee, and his interest in the paranormal started at a young age. Doogie lives in what he believes is a haunted home with his wife and son, further influencing him to study the paranormal and investigate unexplained phenomenon.

Episode Transcript

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www dot Midwest Radio Productions dot com. Good Evening, my friends, I'm

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Miracles and it's time once again forAmerica's most audited radio bringing together the finest
minds of personalities from across the paranormalspectrum. Good evening, my friends.
How excellent to be back on theI p p N Network Live Love that

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Live show A boy tonight we havean amazing timely show. We just had
the second season premiere last night ofGhost Asylum, which has just exploded across
the Destination America's c And in caseyou don't know, have you been living

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in a cave? My friends?Destination America's hit show Ghost Asylum are Sundays
at ten nine Central and it triumphantlylaunched season two last night. On this
episode of America's Most Haunted Radio,the world famous Haunted housewife Teresa Argie and
I Eric Bolton speak with the starsof the show and the leaders of the

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Tennessee Raith Chasers Chris Smith and StephenDougie MacDougall. Welcome, gentleman, and
hello Teresa. Hello, happy,I feel special now A people all the
time you know, I always saypeople don't feel special after I have introduced

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them, I have done something wrong. Are you getting good? Yeah?
That's about the best interest I thinkwe were had ain't Yeah? That was
That's pretty good right there, shakingup the run right there? All right,
Well, we of course are wontall the details. We're gonna chat

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with you guys for the entire show. But before we do that, I
gotta ask Teresa because Teresa and Iboth separately but both have a huge event
coming up. We have the KentParanormal Weekend this Saturday and Sunday, the
eleventh and twelve at the Kent Stageright here in Kent, Ohio, and

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Teresa is appearing with her partner KathyWebber as the Haunted Housewives. What are
you going to talk about, Teresa? And when is your talk? We're
talking together as the Haunted Housewives onSunday. We're actually wrapping up the two
day event. We're going to bespeaking at the end, so that'll be

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that'll be exciting. We're I wantto tell you what it's about, because
let's just say, I'm glad we'regoing last so people won't have all the
ammunition they need because when Kathy andI talk, we go against the grain
a little bit because we don't quitefollow in the footsteps of many other paranormal
investigators. So it's gonna be fun. But Saturday, I'm speaking, Kathy

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and I are both speaking on thepanel with George Nori, and that is
going to be outstanding. It's acoast to coast am panel with George Nori,
Rosemary Ellen Guile, Laura Land willbe on it, myself, Kathy
and I possibly Eric from Ectovision,I'm not sure, but that's gonna be
a free fras So that's going tobe fantastic. The Kent Paranormal Weekend two
days of events, including a ghosthunt on Saturday and then a ghost walk

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on Sunday along with the mixer,A meet and greet and a luncheon with
George Norri also available. So I'mreally excited about this. I've been waiting
for this all year. Yeah.I'm picturing you on that panel on this
big table like the Last Supper,and I see George in the middle there.
It's gonna be madness. Well,that's interesting. We are bookends.

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We are book ends for the wholeevent because I am the lead off on
Saturday morning. I don't know howI feel about Saturday morning. In fact,
I do know how I feel aboutSaturday morning. It sucks. But
nonetheless, I will be kicking thewhole event off and talking about those musical
spirits, the relationship between music andthe paranormal, and I'm gonna finish that

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talk off by just you know,why not just go for the gusto.
I'm gonna be performing a little medleyof about five spooky songs, so that
will in fact be different as well, especially on a Saturday morning. I
am thinking, all right, sowe'll remind you about that a little bit

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later. We'd love to see anyoneand everyone who has who's anywhere in the
area. We'd love to see youthere. It's only the second one,
and we got some big, bignames. A lot of regional people will
be appearing. It's really gonna besomething. It's a great place. If
you've never been there, maybe you'vebeen there for a concert, but boy,
it appears to be wildly haunted.I've been on a couple hunts there
now after hours and always wild thingsgoing on. It's such a cool,

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interesting place being a theater, andit goes back about one hundred years.
All right, so let's talk GhostAsylum and the Tennessee Wraith Chasers welcome back
once again. After a brief interlude, Doogie and Chris congratulations on the success
of the show. Were you expectingthat? Well, we you know,

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this has been our dream for avery long time, Dougie and I especially,
you know, whenever we first startedout to the right stations, just
kind of chilling out on his sportsjust looking off into the yeah, out
into the farmland there, like,man, it would be really cool if
we could take our adventures Intrea withAmerica. And you know, it's been
a dream to bring this to productionfor a long time. So I think,

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you know, we always knew thatwe had it in us, but
now we haven't really expected the responsethat we've gotten so far. Well,
you guys, I was watching,I was looking at your site and very
very well done. Variot graphics.Great graphics. Looks pop that side pops,
as they say in the bizzs.So people should go check out the
Tennessee rate Chasers site. But Iwas looking at it, and you guys

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have been very methodical, kind ofin your march, in your march to
world domination. I mean you kindof had one step after another. You've
had several shows or several pilots,including the show you did I guess not
with Teresa, but the same seriesthat Teresa was on, namely Paranormal Challenge.

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Yeah, we did. We didhit on. Paranormal Challenge is one
of those swingnies. They called usa few times. We actually actually turned
it down the first time, andthen you know, they kept calling us
and we were like, well,you know, you know, what else
are we doing, So let's godo it. And you know, it's
one of those things, is justa you know, another stepping stone where
we're at, you know it.You know, we want dne our thing

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at old South Pittsburg Hospital, andyou know we come out, you know
as the winners of the show ifI mean, if you can have a
winner in pharanormal investigations. But youknow it really it really launched lost Us
as something bigger and better. Yeah, well it seems to me and and

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uh, I will certainly turn itover to Teresa to talk about it,
but it seems like appearing on onthat show has really opened a lot of
doors for a lot of those teams. It seems like something of a community
has formed, Right, Teresa,We had such a great experience on that
show. Um. We were wedid the Waverley Hills episode. Um.
When they first contacted us, theywanted us to go to Mansfield, to

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the Ohio State Reformatory, and weas much as we wanted to do it,
we really didn't want to go therebecause we have done that place so
many times. I mean we've beenthere dozens and dozens of times. And
we held out a little bit andwhen we finally got back to them and
agreed to do it, they sentus to Waverley, which was awesome and
we personally had a fantastic experience.We were a little hesitant as well because

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when we were cast and I don'tknow what casting person you guys spoke with,
but when we spoke with Robert outof New York, he promised us
that it wouldn't be based on evidence, because we had a problem with that.
We're like, how can you guaranteeevidence? You can't, not even
for a TV and we weren't goingto be at party to any any sort
of fakery or forgery. And heassured us it wasn't going to be about

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evidence and then when we got onsite, it was about he had to
present evidence. But luckily it workedout for us because we had plenty to
show and plenty to share. Soit was great. But we had a
real fantastic time and everybody was veryvery nice with us, especially place since
we were, you know, threeunusual investigators being women and being housewives and

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stuff. But our experience was fantastic. But it did help us a lot.
And I know you guys were youguys were awesome as well. Old
South Pittsburgh Hospital. Besides putting youguys on the map, that really helped
put that place on the map aswell, because that was a place that
wasn't very well known. So whatwas your experience like between the whole production

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and shooting of that and how didyou care for the hospital itself? Oh?
No, we had hit that placea couple of times before we did
for Animal Towns, and it waslike, really we had some of our
best visual evidence there, So we'rereally excited to go back. You know,
pretty much every time we go therewe get to get stuff. But

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as far as a production process,I didn't believe it was Robert that we
spoke with as well, and therewere a couple of things that you know,
we weren't really one hundred percent about, but it ended up working out.
We had a great time. Umum. I know that their production
was a little more like I rememberthey would keep us in a room,
like they han't want us talking tothe other team, or they didn't want
us talking to anybody, like wewould like messing with the guy we had

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like a little wrangler. I can'tremember what his name was, uh,
but like he was in charge ofus. He was like our babysitter,
and like we would hide in theroom and he'd come in there to make
sure we were still in our littlecell or whatever, and we'd hied and
he's like freaked out, like,oh my god, I lost him,
and then we'd like to jump out. So we had a good time with

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him. I mean it was.It was a cool show. We had
a good time, got some prettygood evidence, so I mean it was
you know, it was a positivething for us. Yeah. It was
another thing too. We met oneof one of our best friends now,
Rob Sabbiani, that was on uhthe paranormal show what is the cerenormal cost
Yeah, Paranormal cost or Detectives,and you know, he's a he's an

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awesome guy and and you know he'swe've talked with him through this whole process,
you know, and he's he's beenlike our big brother, you know,
slaying Hey, maybe you need tonavigate this way or this way.
You know, hold tier yarns towhat you do. And big, big
props out to Ron faves Man.You know, he's really he's really hung
in there with us and he's stilla good friend of this day. Yeah,

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I was sad to see that showgo off there. I thought that
was an interesting show that especially sinceI'm married to a police officer, so
I know that getting a police officerto admit that they believe in ghosts,
let alone go chasing them is reallyit's a tough call because you know,
around my neighborhood, my husband probablybe in the unemployment line if they knew

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he went ghost hunting. So yeah, but we did make a lot of
We made a lot of friends.You know, a lot of people we
still keep in touch with and wehave get togethers and we meet up at
different venues throughout the year. Peoplethat have been on different shows, and
some of them gone on gotten theirown shows. You guys have friends of
ours that were on a couple ofthe other episodes have moved on and got

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their own shows or been party toother shows. So it's it's been good
so far. All right, man, Hey, let's back up a little
bit before Chris. Of course wewant to talk about Ghost Asylum, but
let's talk about the Tennessee Raith Chasers. How did you guys come together in
the first place. Give us alittle bit of your backgrounds and the paranormal

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sense, and how did you arrivewhere you are? Now? You want
me to go first, So youwant to go, dude, I'll go
you brother, Well, all right, my first paramal experience in my early
twenties. I didn't even think aboutghosts until that point in time because I
was always a skeptic. I'm stilla skeptic, but obviously when you've seen

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and heard and se some of thethings that that I have, it's hard
to be a complete hardcore skeptic.But I think you need to go in
with a skeptical attitude. But anyway, up until that point, I hadn't
really thinking about ghosts. I hada really frightening paramal experience. So shadow
Man, my grandfather's old barn.A guy shot himself back in the fifties

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in that barn, and I knewthis, but I never really thought about
it, and I don't know ifit had any correlation with what I saw,
but it scared me to death fora minute. And then a couple
of days later I started having questionsabout it because I was like, you
know, this stuff is really real, but a lot of times in this
field you'll see things out of thecorn your value. But you know,
I think I saw that this wasone of those hardcore moments when I knew

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that I had to experienced something andI couldn't deny it as much as I
wanted to. So I started outkind of doing my own thing. I
started watching Ghost Unners and you know, ghost as much as all the other
shows, and I came upon onan application to get on Ghostunterers Academy got
on that. I ended up gettingon the show. I ended up having

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a great experience for those guys,learned a lot of stuff. They told
me, you know, Christian needto go back home and join a paranormal
group. So I was like,all right, So I went looking around.
I didn't really see anybody but Ifeel like I could men because you
know, for anybody who's watched theshow, we do a little we do
things a little bit more unconventionally sincemost paranormal investigative we always say that we're

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very passionate about the paranormal, butwe don't take ourselves too seriously, and
you know, because you can't betoo serious when you're out here doing something
like this and you don't know everythingabout it. It's very unknown, so
we take a little bit different approach. Ended up coming back, I was
like, you know, instead ofgetting with a paranormal thing, I think
I want to try to, youknow, start my own thing. So

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you know, I come up withthe race stations and logo all that kind
of stuff. But you know,when a couple of guys would come and
go and we would go to thecemeteries at night. But it wasn't until
I met Doogie one day at thehospital. Of course, we had already
known each other for years. Weused to live ways together and hang out
and all this stuff. And Isaw him at the hospital one day and
you know, what's up, man, And he's like, you know,

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I saw you on that show.I didn't know you were into that,
and I was like, really,He's like, you know, I do
that too. I was like like, no, crap. So we ended
up getting together, put our headstogether, and that's when PBC really formed.
Uh you know, along comes Porterwas also also an old mutual friends.
Then my brother and then Sexy Rayand it's all history from there.

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All right, well we'll see youbye. Joke, A little little joke.
Uh, it is a meteoric rise. I must say, Doogie,
what's your perspective on the formation ofthe team. It pretty much went down
like that. I've been I've beeninvestigating the par of normal since the nineties

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after my granddad passed. My grandmother, she she lives in the house um
at the homestead, and you know, she started having these experiences and she
was, you know, a reallyBible based lady. You know, my
whole family was, and you know, she she just didn't talk about ghosts
and things like that. And she'skept telling the family about things that were

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going on after my granddad dad,and you know, everybody, well,
maybe it's just because she's standing thereby ourselves, she's hearing noises and stuff.
But I just kind of stepped back. I didn't really really say anything
or come to a judgment. Ijust listened to what she had to say.
And it was a few years latershe had gotten sick and had to
go into a nursing home, andso I thought, you know, I

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want to investigate those claims since she'snot there. You know, I didn't
want to stir anything up that didn'tneed to be, you know, stirred
at the time. And I startedexperiencing things. And then you know,
later on, after Chris and Imet, we actually went to this same
house and experienced some just crazy stuff. So you know, I knew everything

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she said was it was backed upbecause we caught it and we heard it
and seen it. And you know, it's kind of been my lafe's mission
to you know, I don't knowif I can really help her now by
doing this, but I feel likeI'm helping her and going out here and
proving to people that there is somethingout here. I'm not gonna say it's

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ghost and I'm gonna say it's peoplethat's that's passed on. I don't know
who, who or what it is, but there's something out here. And
you know, and after Chris andI met, this, this whole thing.
You know, TWC just blossomed andit turned into what he and I
both envisioned paranormal investigation. It's it'snot there's no paranormal bible out here,

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you know, there's there's not acertain way to do things. You want
to be respectful um to to ifthese are that have passed on, they
lived before, you want to berespectful to these things. But you also
need to try things outside the boxbecause nobody's getting any further. They're like,
oh, I caught this on camera. Oh I you know, I
took a snapshot and caught this.Well, you know, there comes a

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point that okay, you've got todo something a little different if you're ever
gonna better or further the field thenwhere it's at, you know today.
So that's that's where our brains allcome to do. We all think outside
the box. And you know,if these things are made of energy,
everybody knows, you know, scientificwise, that energy doesn't die, just

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changes form. Well, man makesenergy, you know, every day,
and they contain it. So what'scontaining the energy in these places? You
hear of these entergies being trapped inthe walls of places, and you know,
if these walls could talk and allthat stuff. You know, well,
if it's trapped in there, whycan't we trap it in something different.

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It's not really like trapping an animalto to do something bad to it.
It's to try to contain the energyand get it out of where it
doesn't need to be. Whether that'sjust getting it outside the walls and letting
it pass on, or if webring it back to our headquarters here in
Tennessee and we still have something,then if we think it's a good thing,
you know, we'll do We'll doa proper barrier or something for it,

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you know, something that maybe itdidn't have at the time. You
know, it might have been abad death or something like that. Or
if it's something bad, then we'lldo some type of ceremony to bless it
and hope that it goes wherever itneeds to go. So I mean,
the whole thing, I mean,it's just turned into do an awesome thing

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because we can take our experiences andour ventures and let the whole world see
what we do and how we thinkabout things, and also open up their
minds to Hey, you know,I'm sitting here on the couch, but
this is what I want to do, so go out and do it.
Nobody and nobody's saying that, youknow, we're experts in this. I

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mean, there's nobody that's an expertin it. I mean this, this
field is so up and down andit's it's a mystery and everybody's trying to
figure it out. And you know, like I said, there's no expert
in this. And that's what we'retrying to tell people. You know,
we're trying new things every week.We're trying new things every day to try

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to you know, actually contain theseenergies or or you know, bring the
energies out, you know, makean experiment to bring these things towards us
so we can actually maybe find outwhat they are or get a better visual
of them than just you know,a shadow figure or something. Maybe something
will manifest if you give it topoverty very well. Put. In fact,

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you addressed two of my three issuesor points that seemed to me fairly.
I mean, nothing's truly unique,I suppose, but but three points,
which is pretty remarkable for one show, and especially a newest show.
There's three elements that seem that differentiatethe show for me. Number one,

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the only thing you didn't directly address, is is this whole notion of going
into what amount to institutions? Imean, the show the name is Asylum,
but basically it's institutions, whether theybe prisons or mental hospitals or hospitals,
etc. And so I'd like toaddress that if you might. But

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you brought up or at least alludedto, you guys are pretty overtly or
not pretty, you are overtly Christian, and that is really pretty unusual.
I was thinking about. Yeah,I see people address in a little bit
on some of the other shows,but for the most part, they even
if they have those beliefs, andeven if they use those beliefs within the

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framework of doing investigations and whatnot,you don't see a lot of that on
TV. So I think it's interesting, and I suppose it in sort of
a perverse way. It's bold thatyou guys are are that open about your
beliefs, I think, especially you, Chris. And then the third element,

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of course, that you did bringup, is this notion of trapping
spirit. So I'd love for youto talk about any of the three kind
of in any order that you'd like, because it seems to me that those
are the things that make the showreally quite different. Yeah, to go
into the whole traps and saying I'lltalk about the whole Christianity thing, because

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that's something that we do a lotjust about everybody. To talk to Bailey,
that's Quesson. You know, howcan you believe in paranormal and still
be a Christian? And my answeris always the same. You know,
my faith hasn't changed. I stillbelieve what the Bible teaches me. My
Bible does mean that when you dad, you've got to heaven or you got
to health. I don't believe inpurgatory. I think that that's absolutely true.

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You know, depending on your relationshipwith a big man upstairs, you
go one way or the other.I don't think you hang around. Now.
The other options out here, asfar as what we're dealing with,
are endless in my mind. Imean, you've got residual honey, first
of all, you know the energythat's just kind of like on a loop
or we're trying to understand that.We've got a few scientific theories about that.

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And you've got more of the demonicenergy that I also believe in.
I don't think we've ran into asmany of those as a lot of people
think they do. But I dothink we have encountered those two, you
know, and I believe in thingsthat we can't even understand it. We
got a whole universe out there ofplanets and other universes that you know,
there are other beings up there.I'm sure that could possibly maybe intertwined with

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our dimension. I mean, whoknows. It sounds crazy and far fetched,
but just because there's things intelligent doesn'tmean it's either a demon or a
person. You know, There's there'sso many different theories up there and so
many different beliefs. But I thinkit's really important to whatever you believe in
this life, to make sure thatyou stand truth to it. And in
the paranormal. I've experienced the paranormal, but I've also experienced God, So

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I mean I I've got both ofthose on my side. And I also
use my Christianity and my faith inevery investigation. You know, I always
try to put them first, Alwaystry to tell people about God and my
experiences with Him, and you know, let them know that it's okay.
If you are experiencing something that's paranormal, it doesn't mean that you're you know,
you're you'll believe in God or youbelieve in something other worldly. It's

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just, you know, it's somethingthat happens to the all of us and
we're all trying to understand it.Maybe it's a test the faith. You
know, there's a reason for it. So that's where I'm staying with the
whole Christianity thing and the paranormal.But you know, we get a lot,
we get that a lot. Imean, my brother Porter and I
we're all missionary bassist. We're all, you know, ready as up,

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pretty strictly missionary bassist. So youknow, it's all the fire and brimstone
right there. Well, I Ipersonally don't see any particular incompatibility, but
I do think that it is braveof you, and I think you're you're
wise in the long run to presentyourself as you are and to present your

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beliefs as they are, and Ithink that makes I think people feel that
whether whether they believe it or notdoesn't matter. I think people definitely feel
the legitimacy of how you go aboutit, and I think that feels real
to them, and I think thatis one of the appeals of the show.
Yeah, Well, thank you man. And like I said, I

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don't try to push my beliefs onanybody. I'll definitely try to, you
know, give them my testimony andtalk to them about it if they'll listen
to me. But you know,as the race chasers were very open minded.
Uh you know, I know Dutyand Chasey they believe a little differently
than we did. They're still Christianguys, but you know that's okay.
Whenever we started the team, wedidn't want, you know, there to

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be just this unsaid rule if youhave to believe this, you got to
do this to be on our teamor whatever. It's not like that.
It's just five guys that they allhave their own experiences, their own personalities
and beliefs, and they all justkind of you know, mesh, and
we bring back that chemistry that everybody'slin rooms every weekend. That's the cool

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part for us. The persity endof the team is grief because the fact
that you know, we don't wedon't look at one another and say,
well, you're wrong or you're wrong. We like, you know, we
put our our heads and our religionstogether and and we're like, okay,
let's let's come out with a formulawith this what do you think it is?

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What do you think it is?And then we just put it down
as a big brainstorm, and youknow, sometimes it brings up more questions
than answers. But you know,if you've got if you're all one sided
all the time, and you're nevergoing to get anywhere. You know,
absolutely you got to be open minded. I mean, that's a key part
of life, right. I mean, it's not just TV, it's not

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just paranormal investigations, it's life.You got to find that balance between expressing
who you really are and being whoyou really are, and yet on the
other hand, not being overly judgmentaland accepting people for what they believe in
finding common ground. So good foryou guys. Thanks, Thanks, It's

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it's one of those things you why, you know, why who you are?
You know, that's I think that'sthe problem out here now. People
want to try to hide you know, well, I don't want people to
know this, but it's like,you know, you know, it's either
take it or leave it, youknow. I mean, and that's that's
how we look at things. Youknow, We're like, we're gonna do
what we're gonna do. That's howwe've been for years, you know,

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and some people don't like us,you know, in the paranormal field.
You know, they're just you know, you guys are crazy because we didn't
really mesh with a whole lot ofpeople. We've just done our own thing,
you know, and we don't wedon't say anything about the way people
other people do things. It's it'sall or fathers the field. And you
know, if if you have problemswith trying to flather the field and you
probably don't need to be in thisfield, well, Teresa, I know

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you have a lot of those samefeelings and you go about things your own
way too, So why don't youjump in here? Yeah, I've been
in this field for quite a whilebefore the first for the first reality show
was out ever on TV. Soum, I started doing things differently because
that was just the way I didthem, and I didn't know there was

(28:00):
any way to do it. Andthen it seemed that when the first couple
of shows came on that that becamethe new normal, and everybody wanted to
do everything the way that the TAPSteam did or the way the Ghost Adventures
team did, and there was thisunwritten rule of how you had to go
about investigating and researching, which Ifound absolutely ridiculous, and it just it

(28:22):
didn't work for us. It's notthe way we would do things. What
the Haunter Housewives do. That's verydifferent, and I really haven't found anybody
that does it this way. Iswe honestly don't care about evidence. We're
not out to find evidence. We'renot out to prove anything to anybody,
because I'm sure, as you guysknow, you can have the greatest video

(28:44):
and the greatest EVP ever captured andpeople will say, yeah, that's bullshit.
I don't believe it. So itdoesn't matter how good your evidence is
if somebody wasn't there to experience it. So we just kind of don't even
bother. We try to find answersmore along, like backing up the research
and the historical documentation and the facts, and then we get what we like
to just call findings and experiences.So we're used to that. I'm glad

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you guys do things your own way. I am very interested about the traps
that you build and when you tryto capture these spirits. And I wanted
to ask you a question about whenyou did this the special before the show
was picked up the ghost Land,Tennessee and the trap that you guys built

(29:32):
for that show that you what youdid at the end of that program,
if people remember and what was themaybe do you can answer this? What
was the thought process behind getting thespirit or the entity or the energy in
the in the box and then blowingit up? What was your thought process
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(33:36):
Haunted Radio. I'm Eric Olson withme as always is the Haunted housewife Teresa
Argie, and we are speaking withChris Smith and Doogie. Yes he goes
by one name. He was bornwith one, that young man both the
Tennessee raith Chasers, and they arealso the star as the Tennessee rape Chasers

(34:01):
of Ghosts Asylum. Jugie was infact about to answer Teresa's question about the
whole trap theory and something that reallydistinguishes the show. And I'm sure you
hear Ghostbusters jokes all the time,so I'm not gonna make one, but
don't tell the EPA. Yeah,well, the whole the whole trap thing

(34:23):
is was you know it had wewanted to contain the energy and Chasey Ray
comes to us one day, youknow, it was we're gonna do the
show, and um he was like, guys, I found this really cool
thing that deals with a lot ofthings from from back in history, you
know, and the mirror concept ofcontaining energy. Things can get trapped in

(34:47):
mirrors. And we were like,hey, you know, we'll try anything
once, you know, why not, So you know, we we we
constructed the Devil's Toybox is what itwas called. And and um, you
know, we put in this houseand this house had some crazy stuff going
on and the family did you know, didn't want it there. So we's

(35:07):
like, you know, well here'sour only shot if we want to get
it out, you know, becausethey had had the house you know,
blessed, and you know, noneof that stuff was working. So um,
it was like, you know,one night, try it. So
we built the thing and we weimplemented it, and you know, to
to our surprise, you know,something was in in inside the box.

(35:31):
I don't you know, I don'tknow what it was, but we do
know there was some kind of activityin the house and we had you know,
proof of that. And when wedecided to blow the box of the
theory of putting so much energy froman explosion, maybe can send these things

(35:52):
elsewhere. Um, it was justa theory that was out there. So
you know, the family we hadand we gave them the option, what
do you want to do with this? You want to bear? You want
it? They wanted us to destroythe box. So we always do where
our clients want us to do.So we destroyed the box. But we
just done it our way. We'vedone it to Southern boy way. We

(36:14):
like explosions. We like the bestwith guns and explosives, so you know,
we're like, hey, let's let'sdo it this way. You know,
we talked about it and you know, and there was the theory out
there that if you put so muchenergy into it, maybe it will disverse
that energy. So you know,hey, we sided some sea forward to

(36:35):
it and blue in the sky.A short answer, we just would blows
of stuff up that. Yeah,it reminds me of was it SCTV or
something. I always had that pairon. It blowed up real good,
blowed up every door that sorted.So then what happened after we exploded the

(37:00):
box, Yeah, we were,we were there was the years clean up.
We got some people from around thetown. Now, but uh there
you stayed more in contact with theBellato families and I did really yeah.
Um apparently you know, the activityuh calmed down. I mean, you

(37:23):
know, I had, you know, the kids I'm real good friends with,
you know, I still I stilltalked to them. I still talked
to the mom. And you know, they haven't experienced much much of anything.
Else since we left there. Um, so you know whether or not
it worked. Um, maybe maybewhatever was in that box is haunting the

(37:45):
old creek that we blew it upin, but at least it's not in
that house anymore now. Its spiritexactly. The reason I asked that is
because I watched when I watch ashow I was, I was watching with
one of my friends who's an energyworker, and um, she deals with
spirits and with energy and things likethat all the time, and she was

(38:08):
like, oh my god, they'vejust made it stronger. Um, and
I, you know, I don'tknow. I'm just like whatever. I
just thought it was great because Iliked subpotions and stuff too. But it
just goes to show that the differenttheories and how everybody has a different opinion
on what happens. Um. Somemight say that by by adding energy to

(38:30):
that, you've made it stronger,or some say maybe you've dissipated it and
it's gone. And everybody's theory wejust don't know. We we don't.
Nobody knows. And I think thepeople who think they do know, or
claimed that they do know for surewhat happens, those are the ones that
I don't believe. There's so manydifferent sories. I was. I was
familiar with the Devil's with the Devil'stoybox before, but I had never seen

(38:52):
anyone blowing up. It's so it'sso funny. Like we got a flow
of emails after that that pilot wasaired from so many you know, quote
unquote expert paranormal people telling us thatyou know that we were suited, that
was wrong. He just made itstrong room, he said it free.

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I mean, if I had adollar for every email that we got with
that in the subject lines, Iwould have a very nice fair of Jordan's
right now, because that's what's justlike the biggest thing. I mean,
a week now, we get thatabout the traps, like every you know,
everybody that emails like, don't callit a trap. Don't call a
trap. Well, I mean it'sbasically just a word. We don't like

(39:35):
to see it as necessarily a trappor the definition of trapping something. I
mean, it's more like a containmentor a transportation vessel. You know,
we're not using it in a senseof where like dude you said earlier,
we're not trapping it to do somethingbad too. It it's just like a
short word for you know, gettingit in there and containing the energy.
So it's just all about your perspective. And there's always going to be people

(39:57):
throne stones, always going to besomebody say and you know that's wrong or
you know it's it's all about whatyou believe. And like he said earlier,
we're gonna do our thing and letthem do there. I think that
the fact that you did what youdid is probably why you are where you
are right now, because that wasmemorable for sure. Well, we definitely

(40:22):
had people talking, you know,But my thing is, you know,
the proof is in the pudding.Um, you know, we blew the
box up. Yeah, hundreds ofpeople emailed us and you're stupid, you
blew the box. But guess what, there's there's not any activity in the
house anymore. So you know,who knows if it's right or wrong,

(40:42):
But you know there's there's the proofin the pudding. So you know that's
it. You know, if youmade the client happy and they're not experiencing
anything that put a closure to it, then we've done our job absolutely well.
Said about but I'd like to hearabout some of the other traps because

(41:06):
I know you're kind of varying themas you go and trying different approaches.
Maybe just give us some, uh, you know, highlights of the various
traps and what's gone on with them, which which one would you say,
thus far is the most successful beyondthe pilot where you know it's it's somewhat

(41:27):
indirect. I suppose the fact thatthe activity has died down that's probably a
pretty good sign, but it's Isuppose technically you would consider it an indirect
bit of evidence. What other activityhave you seen or or you know,
been able to contain using the traps, and then just any theory that comes
to mind about it. I don'tknow, you think. I think this

(41:52):
season has been the Mansfield. Whatwe use for Mansfield is going to be
a great episode and a great trap, definitely. I hope I didn't stir
stuff up it because we're going backthere in a month. I don't know.
I don't know if we're supposed toslay to much about about the upcoming
episodes. But you know, um, I know last year we had the

(42:19):
ghost Zapper trap or whatever you wantto call it. We put some solar
panels up on this this electrified senseand these solar panels were in pitch black,
and we had it run into acapacitor, so hopefully whatever went in,
whatever energy went into there, wentinto the capacitor. Well, we

(42:39):
had some crazy activity going on andfor some reason it charged this capacitor to
over its capacity and it blew ourit blew our meter up it. I
mean, I don't know. Itwas the craziest thing I've ever seen.
And people were like, well,you can't, you can't get trap and
energy and a solar panel and pitchblack. Well, you know you say

(43:01):
you can, you can't. Wellwe did somehow some way, Um,
you know, we we we testedit out with our our life. We
tested that kind of stuff to makesure that didn't affect the solar panels and
a capacitor. We implemented it andfor some crazy reason, it blew our
capacitor. Of WHOA, that's evidence. That's pretty objective. Wouldn't you say,

(43:29):
Well, it's definitely something that youthrow out there for, you know,
if you want to try to containthis stuff. Maybe maybe that's what
it is. Because we don't justgo in there and try to sneak up
on these things we're at. We'reletting it know that we have a transportation
device that if you want to getout of this place, we can't.
We can't help you do it.You got to help us. You know.

(43:50):
It's it's it's a combined you know, it's a team effort between us
and whatever we're dealing with. Wewe try to set these these traps up
and they have to be willing togo into them. And if they're willing
to go into them, that that'sfinally good. But one thing that I
can't say about the traps that wedo build. They may always contained anything,

(44:12):
but they do We've noticed kick upactivity these things. Whatever whatever's out
here is curious about what we're implementing. It's not just our handheld meters anymore.
We're bringing something in they haven't seenmaybe before in some of these places
that have been just ridiculously investigated,and they're like, hey, what is

(44:32):
this? You know, and itbrings activity, it kicks it up,
and you know, we see itabout every week. It stirs something up
at some point. Well, plusyou're experimenting. I mean, you know
the cliche about Einstein, he wasasked, wasn't it a waste of time?
The you know, the ten thousandbits of material that didn't work for

(44:53):
the light bulb, and he said, no, I just learned ten thousand
ways not to make a light bulbbefore I finally learned how to do it.
So I don't think there's anything todo experimenting at all. Yeah,
thank you. That's that's That's whatwe're trying to get out to people,
is you keep doing the same wayyou're not you're not doing anything different.

(45:16):
And this you know, one dayif we do contain something, people,
oh my god, they contain something. Well, all these other traps that
that didn't work out, well,it was just building blocks to get to
the one that actually did work.Absolutely makes sense to me, really does
well. The only thing we haven'taddressed really of the kind of the three

(45:37):
unique features about the show is howdid you guys arrive at that institutional angle
that that was those kind of placesthat you wanted to investigate on the show.
Um, well, we wanted to, Uh, first of all,
we're using these traps or transportation devices, containment, whatever you want to call

(45:59):
it, and we didn't want tobring these into people's homes. We didn't
want to test this theory and youknow, blow people's houses up. So
we definitely needed somewhere. Not onlynot only did we need somewhere to maybe
test these experiences, but also wewanted to go to some of the worst
of the worst places with the mostdramatic history, you know, places where

(46:21):
we knew we could possibly do somegood. You know, there were so
many archaic practices back in the daythat happened to these old asylums and prisons,
I mean, the little botomies andyou know, shock therapy. These
these patients were put through so muchtorture. I mean not really purposefully the
doctors were in a sense in somecases the doctors were trying to hurt them,

(46:43):
but in most cases it was justthey didn't know how to help them.
So they were experimenting with all thisstuff and they just were basically torture
in them. So there was justwe wanted to go to these places with
all this background that we knew wecould probably find some good activities and like
I said, to be some goodand you know, also to test out
these crazy experiments that we have.Yeah, tweak it, tweak it a

(47:08):
little bit before we go into youknow, Jayton and Ed's house and be
like, hey, we've got thishuge box that may or may not explode.
Um, we'll try to in yourliving room. Like, yeah,
that's probably not the best idea ever. Well, that was kind of you,
I must say. Well, welike to be Southern gentlemen. Yeah,

(47:34):
that's rights. You guys are sonsof the South. There's no doubt
about it. So that's another point. It's kind of an interesting point.
I think. Is there something aboutis there something different because I've heard I've
heard it put both ways. Isthere such thing as a Southern mentality?
I mean, are you doing anythingdifferently? Do you think than you would

(47:55):
if you were from New York orNew Hampshire, or or Minnesota for that
matter, thinks the traffic? Yeah, well, I think I think either
way, if we were from NewYork or anywhere else, people would still
say we're ridding it crazy. Yeah, I think it's just the way you're

(48:17):
raised. Man, We were,you know, in the style things are
done a little differently. We're inthe Bible Belt. You know, there's
a lot of Christians around here.There's a lot of uh, you know,
people that believe very strongly uh intheir Christianity and they in their views.
But also you know, we've beenbrought up, like, you know,
the three people with respect, youknow, yes, ma'am, No,

(48:38):
ma'am. I don't know if that'snecessarily just the Southern thing. I
just know it's all we know.And you know, we take that into
these investigations or clients or you know, we meet people from Hollywood and different
places, and you know, they'redifferent crowds, so we try to,
you know, we try to stillput on that Southern charm and respect and

(48:59):
and you know, I don't offthe top or not, but it's definitely
it seems to have gotten somewhere.Oh, I think so, Yes,
I agree. Personality, the wayyou express yourselves, Southern hospitality. It
pays to be nice to people,whether they're alive or dead. It's true

(49:22):
to the rule all the way around. R I agree with you. We
are sympatico though you can tell bymy lack of an accent and that that's
funny because that's all relative too,isn't it. I I'm the one with
the accent, right, Yeah,it's funny because we get a lot of

(49:44):
We got to also get risks alot about the subtitles for Chasey. We
get so many Southern people even on. It's like, why are y'all putting
subtitles on Chase? I understand themjust fine. It's just like I don't
man like, it's just for allthose other people the Christmas because when we
go when we go up north andNapa, California, they're they're they're really

(50:05):
like, why do you talk sofunny? I'll be like, well,
we want to look to you andbe like, well, why don't you
talk so funny? There's fine wherewe're from. You come to our place,
you're gonna be weird. It isall. It is all relative life
is It's all It's all about yourperspective. Yeah. Well, in theory,

(50:28):
there is the what do they callit, there's the there's this the
generic media American accent and it isn'treally regionally placed, but it's it's taking
whatever accent you have because everywhere hasan accent and kind of naturing it,
you know, kind of kind offiling down the edges. But you know,

(50:51):
people are starting to realize. Themore you do that to people and
kind of enforce it via the media. You know, all the TV and
radio people basically have denuded accents.You know, you're eliminating regionalism, and
you're making the country and people moregeneric, and you know that isn't necessarily

(51:13):
a good thing. Teresa, weonly have boy talk about another fast hour.
Really great talking to you guys,Lots of fun and really really enjoyed
getting to know you a little bithere. Teresa. I'm sure you have
additional thoughts, comments, or suggestions. Yes, I know you don't want
to give it too much away,but you've already left the cat out of

(51:35):
the bag. The Ohio State ReformatoryMansfield Prison, that was the number one
location in Eric and ice Book America'smost haunted. Of all the locations I've
ever investigated in my decades of investigating, the Ohio State Reformatory was absolutely,
by far the number one haunted placethat I've ever experienced. So, without

(51:57):
giving too much away, can youshare just a little bit of anything that
happened at Mansfield and what your overallthoughts about the Ohio State Reformatory are true.
Now, it's it's people know wewent there, because that was gonna

(52:21):
be. This one's gonna be inthe first date. So I think it's
cool that we tell people we wentthere. But it was a phenomenal place
Not only was it just I meanvisually stunning, but some of the evidence
that we capture there is really gonnamake people, you know, scratch their
heads. Because it's also like thisfirst episode we went to uh, you
know, Memphis and we did theUS Marine Hospitals the premier. Uh,

(52:45):
that type of reaction. We're gonnaget that again when we go to Mansfield.
Because of the things that we sawwe had never experienced before, we
had never seen before. I canpromise that the trap that we implement.
Uh. And actually I actually helpedon this trap. This is the first
episode while I went with the guysand actually uh, I pretty much built

(53:07):
the whole trap myself on the course. Uh yeah, but this one really,
I mean we get it got usscratching our heads. I can tell
you that it also involved mirrors.I don't think that's given too much away.
Uh. And some of the stuffthat we saw and capture on camera

(53:27):
an involvement with the trap is reallygonna get people going. I think it's
gonna be a great episode. Yeah, if you watch the episode, you
better have your chin strap on becauseif not, you, Joe and Chen's
going to floor. Well, itsounds like you're just reinforcing our assessment of
the Ohio State Repository as America's mosthaunted. Yeah, yep, it's ring

(53:52):
right up there for sure. Howmuch time did you spend there? We
just h three days. We werethere for three days three d two Yeah,
two nights investigation and one day anduh, man, it was just
it was snowing. Man, itwas snowing like crazy. We were there
and then dead middle learn and uhthere was like a couple of feet of

(54:14):
snow and wind chill factory like negativefourteen. But freaking Ohio, come on,
that's nothing right. Yea worked tothe seaboy, so we were like
really complaining and milking it. Wewere like, man, this is horrible.
It feel like we're an Antarctica orsomething. But I think I think
for sick at night. It washe got down to like negative twenty five.

(54:36):
When I could stand my jacket upand it would stand by himself.
I was like, yeah, wereally should not be outside. We have
had a very very very cold,difficult rough winter here at Ohio. It's
it hasn't been normal for us.It's more like Minnesota weather that we've had

(54:57):
down here, and typically balmy Ohio. It looks like it's finally getting over
with here now that we're in April. I hope, but I of course
don't want to speak too soon,that is for sure. Before we go,
guys, let's let's remind everyone howthey can get ahold of you,
and of course we'll remind them aboutthe show, but let's just let them
know about your social media and yourwhatever outlets or website and whatnot, because

(55:22):
man, we want people checking inwith you, guys. Could you rule?
Well you can. You can definitelycheck us out Sunday night at ten
nine Central on Destination America. Youcan hit us up on our website at
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(55:45):
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(56:08):
Chasers dot com or ten rate Chasersdot com. We got March on the
site. You want to get somesome swags. We greatly appreciate the support.
I know you can't get into awhole lot of detail, but since
we're at the very very beginning.Last night was the premiere of season two.
Anything that people should be looking for, anything a little bit different from

(56:30):
say, last year. I knowit's a longer season, any anything just
to toss out there people should belooking for. Just expect a whole lot
more spooky. Yeah, definitely abigger, better traps, different traps.
Were getting a little further out there, you know, trying to think out

(56:50):
of the box even more. We'vecaught some phenomenal visual evidence this year.
I think people were really gonna thinkas a groundbreaking h you know. And
I think one of the cool thingsabout the show for me when I watch
it is just seeing how we reactto these things. You don't realize that
when you're there, you know,experiencing it. But the way that we
react is like a little different,I think than most people. It's just

(57:12):
we we get so excited or justjumpy or scared. I mean, people
are gonna see us jump out ofour our pants, and not literally of
course, but we're gonna get scared, we're gonna get happy, we're gonna
laugh, we're gonna get mad.I mean, it's it's basically it's reality,
Daisy. What more can I say? Because you guys are passionate and
you're not afraid to show it.There you go. Let's it's all real.

(57:42):
All right. Well, thank youso much, Chris and Doogie.
Congratulations on the show. Really successful. Great to see it take off.
I can just tell from my interactionwith people on social media or via the
website, or even just responding tothe show to night and just seeing the
kind of response. You can alwaystell when you get a little microcause if

(58:05):
you can just tell by the waypeople respond, and they really do like
you guys. They're impressed, theythink you're fun, they think you're interesting,
they're they're curious to see where thisis going to go. So I
think I think you are very wellsituated to for a long and very successful
run. And congratulations to you.Thank you so much for having us alm

(58:28):
Man really appreciate its final thoughts.All tell everybody when that they can see
the show and where they can findit on television, as well as your
social media destination. America. Yeah, Defination America. You can go there
if you don't like form. Dependingon your table provider that's got a channel
partner, you can go on DestinationAmerica dot com find out everything you need

(58:51):
to know about the show. LikeDoug you said, well, every Sunday
night, ten o'clock nine Central,Ghosts of solom Sunday Night. Excellent.
All right, guys, Well,wish you luck and we'll be watching the
rest of the season and can't waitto see what happens at the Reformatory.

(59:12):
Awesome. Ye, thanks again,guys, congratulations on all the success.
Hope to hope to see you keepit up. I'm sure you will and
really appreciate you stopping buy in talkingwith us for an hour. Apolaure Man.
Yeah, thank you so much.Y'all, have a good night.
Thank you so much. It's America'smost counted radio. We're here every Monday

(59:35):
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