AI and End Times: Exploring Technology's Role in Biblical Prophecy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There we go, there you go, got it now, okay, okay,
everyone.
Good evening.
This is John Haller fromFellowship Bible Chapel and
Prophecy Update.
I have with me good friends.
They've become good friendsover the last year.
Patrick Wood, technocracynews.

(00:20):
Scott Townsend fromIamawatchmancom and Britt
Jollett I'm sorry from End TimesBible Prophecynews.
Scott Townsend fromIamawatchmancom and Britt
Jolette from End Times BibleProphecy.
Good evening everyone.
So, we're going to talk about.
We're going to have sort of ageneralized discussion for
probably a couple hours ondigital AI-related topics and

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sort of how they relate to endtimes Bible prophecy.
We're going to be a little bitspecific in some cases, but I'm
also going to sort of give you aforewarning that, as we do
these every month or so we tryto over the past year, as we

(01:05):
delve further and further intothis it's like I think Scott
mentioned this before and I'lljust I'll paraphrase what he
said.
It almost seems like we're sortof staring into the abyss,
because there's some things thatare happening that are very
significant.
So let me start off with thissort of observation.

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About a week ago, the WallStreet Journal ran an article
and it was from one of theexecutives at Meta Facebook, and
in that article he said AI willalways be as dumb as my cat.
It will never be that good.

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It will never be thatproblematic.
Now there are other people thatdisagree with that.
We've referenced them over thelast year Jeffrey Hinton, who is
very negative on AI he resignedfrom Google just won a Nobel
Prize for his work in artificialintelligence.
So, guys, let's just have alittle discussion about do you

(02:16):
think this AI stuff is real oris it masking a bigger problem
that we're facing?
Scott?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
why don't you start off?
Sure, I'd be happy to.
I work with AI every day forsoftware development and other
initiatives that I'm working on,so I use it for programming
assistance.
I agree, my experience has beenvery interesting about using AI

(02:49):
.
In here I'm talking about openAIs models, including chat, gpt
and various models thereofthere's.
They improve them every sixmonths or so.
I use a Claude from Anthropicand I use several others.
So I think that one of thethings that I've noted is that,

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john, to your point, it does actvery, I would say.
Sometimes it's just downrightstupid.
I mean, it just loses contextof your conversational stream
and if there's any level ofcomplexity, such as when you're
developing software, it can getlost.

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It can forget things, and it'sbeen described this way in
simple English terms Just likethe human mind, ai has the
ability to listen really well atthe beginning of a conversation
and listen really well at theend of the conversation, but
start losing pieces of it in themiddle of the conversation and

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it drifts accordingly.
So in my case, in softwaredevelopment, you either know it
works, it compiles, or itdoesn't.
So I have to iterate throughthat over and over and over
again.
So in one way, I think it isvery you know it's good and, by

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the way, these AIs are testingat graduate level proficiency
testing scores.
Okay.
So that's how you know thatthey do know how to reason.
The latest open AI model, calledO1, has the ability to reason
and it will reveal to you thesteps it took to reason.

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It's called chain of thought,chain of thinking, and when you
prompt it for something in the01 preview model it's not fully
released yet it will think, itshows you that it's thinking and
then it will take a number ofseconds so 20, 10, 20 seconds,
something like that and you canactually, when it starts

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responding to your prompt, youcan actually go back and see
what it was thinking about inits process of attempting to
give you a response.
Now, that is why these peopleout in the industry are
beginning to talk about AI ashaving human, you know, rational

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thinking processes, because itcan think and reflect.
On the other hand, I believeand I think the guys on the
panel believe that where thisreally gets powerful, because a
large language model basicallypredicts the next thing, that is
in that chain of thought.
That's fairly linear in myopinion, but what's going to be

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powerful is the agent revolution, which is when you can spin off
multiple agents that each havethis ability and they will check
each other, they willcoordinate, they will fix and
repair things before you evenknow it.
And so you deploy agents andthey go do their thing, and then

(06:03):
they come back with the answerfor you, and that is going to be
a significant uplift to AItechnology, in my opinion.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, how do you think it's going to affect it?
I think I know where you'regoing.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh, it's going to be another industrial revolution
process when agents take hold,All kinds of things are now.
So for the first time, let mejust unpack it the way I see it
right now.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
now.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I am bound to a session with AI.
It's me and it doing this,iterating me and it doing this
iterating.
What's coming and what is beingworked on very hard by people,
and it's already emerging, isthe ability for me to go give
specifications and directions toAI and then it goes out and

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deploys itself and then works onits own without my input.
That's the difference, and sowhat's going to happen is you
get a force multiplier in AIwhen you could deploy agents and
then bring the result back toyou.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I think I think .

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Well, I think that, um, you know hearing I brought
this up I believe it was lastweek with some people that you
know there's been a lot of hypeover the last couple of years
with chat, gpt, and there's beena lot of talk in financial
markets about ai much the sameway we saw with the dot-com boom
25 years ago.

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And people look at the promiseand they jump ahead and they
expect it to all happen in amatter of months and then they
sort of lose interest.
Oh, this is a bunch of hype.
But when you have exponentiallyadvancing technology, when you
look at an exponential curve atthe beginning of that, to the

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naked eye it appears thatnothing's happening.
The progress is really slow.
But when you get to theright-hand side of that
exponential curve, it becomesvertical, the change that's
taking place.
So if you expect, say, atechnology is doubling every
year, each new year accounts for50% of the new power, and so as

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you get out toward the edge ofthat, I believe this is going to
come on people suddenly Again,we've heard a lot of hype the
last couple of years and peopletend to forget about it and then
I think it's going to come verysurprisingly and, very suddenly
, the rapid and dramatic changesthat are going to take place.

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Because of this, for many ofthe reasons that Scott has
mentioned, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh, I have an opinion .
I suppose I do.
I'm a contrarian, for sure, andphilosophically opposed to the
idea of artificial intelligencein the first place, and I'll
explain myself the termartificial intelligence every

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time we say it, whether it's AIor artificial intelligence, or
artificial general intelligence,et cetera every time we utter
that phrase, we are convincingourselves that there's something
intelligent going on withcomputers.

(09:48):
That can't be the case bybiblical standards.
Intelligence is something thatGod gave to us humans.
Only, there's never going to bea substitute for humanity, a
substitute for humanity.
And as that, I would just sayhow much intelligence is in this

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book.
This is a great book, by theway.
A small book Looks like mygreen screen is showing through
here, but if you read this book,you can get a lot of knowledge
from it.
But that is us to process.
The book itself has nointelligence whatsoever.

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The writer did, but the bookitself doesn't have any
intelligence at all.
What we're, what we're beingfed at this point, in my opinion
and I busted code for 20 yearsin my former life, mostly in
expert systems, by the way, notAI, but I programmed expert

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systems that can kind of reasonthrough a decision tree to get
to conclusion, I see this asmuch of this stuff is just
basically expert systems tryingto figure out or predict or
suggest the next word orwhatever, or the next thought,

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and there's no intelligencebehind it at all.
And this is why, john, you saidthat analyst said that AI is as
dumb as my cat.
He should have said dumb as adog.
Dogs are much worse off thancats.

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But I think what we're going tosee, what, let me put it this
way, I think, personally, I willview this whole thing as a hoax
going going forward, anelaborate hoax, for sure.
But all these people who arehyping sentience, sentience, um,

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asi, somewhere along the future, perhaps, whatever is declared,
it doesn't make it so.
And we know like, for instance,when we get into the
tribulation period, when thefalse prophet flips the switch
on the beast, the beast systemthat is going to reason and, you

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know, kill people or whatever.
It's going to speak like theAntichrist speaks.
Is this a hoax or is it real?
At that point, I can't believethat there's going to be any
other intelligence in theuniverse other than what we have
with what God created thedemons, angels and us as humans,

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and God, of course, himself.
So I'm cynical about a lot ofstuff that's going on with AI at
this point, at this point, andI will be skeptical, probably
until the end, but I'm not goingto, I'm not going to be
convinced that um it is, it isas good as people think it is,

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and the expectations that whenpeople um can be emotionally
involved with their robots orwhatever, their or their ai or
the agent that serves them attheir job or whatever, when they
get emotionally involved withthose things, then the
relationship you know, all of asudden they transfer over on it

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human expectations and this is,I think this would be part of
the deception in the end.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Honestly, so, Patrick , I….

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Flesh that out a little bit more, Patrick.
When you talk about deception,I mean, what do you… I want to
make sure I'm following you.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, let's start again with AI.
Artificial intelligence there'sno such thing.
Let's start again with AI.
Artificial intelligence there'sno such thing.
It's an oxymoron to sayartificial intelligence in the
same breath, because there is nointelligence outside of humans
and demons and God.

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This is a quality of humannessthat was only given to us, not
anybody else.
And these artificial programs,they're trying to make them
mimic life and intelligence, butthey can't do it.
Even now they can't do it.

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The stupid, the craziest testthat they, for instance, they
feed to all these new iterationsof AI coming out, they're
infantile type of problems andthe AI can't solve the basic
math problems, simple problemsthat they give it, logic

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problems.
It's like, okay.
This reminds me when I firstattended my first AI conference
in Scottsdale, arizona, so in1982, I think it was, and they
were struggling over thesentence John gave Mary the book

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and that was a whole conferencefor like for two hours or two
days, rather.
They tried to figure out howcan they put that to logic.
Well, they didn't get it atthat point and at this point,
some of the problems that arebeing fed to AI sound just about
that simplistic.

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So, yes, there's a lot ofknowledge, for instance, like
this book multiplied by ajillion.
Yes, there's lots of knowledgethere, but is there intelligence
there?
I would say no.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, but then is the so, is the so is the issue tech
intrusion through this, I don'tknow what you would term a ruse
.
Is that the thing to bewatching for?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I wouldn't say a ruse in that sense.
I wouldn't say a ruse in thatsense.
I'm just saying that the wholeindustry has bought this track
and when people like Henson'sone guy, some of the other

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people that left OpenAI they'reall perhaps they've gone away
from the party line.
You see top researchersclaiming basically what I'm
saying here, that it is notintelligent in that sense.
There's a lot of facts that canbe pulled from, but there's no

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human intelligence and it willnever be human intelligence,
human level intelligence All itwill be is a mass of data that
has to be somewhere along theway.
It needs to be fed to humansand then they will process what
intelligence they're going toget out of it.

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But in the meantime we have allthe world is running after this
like crazy, and pretty much 99%of the people are after the fox,
so to speak, and they're notgoing to give up because there's
huge, huge gains for them.
Could somebody like Sam Altman,for instance?

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Could he be deceived in whathe's doing, especially when he
jettisons his safety team tojust let it fly?
Let's just get this thing done,guys.
Programmers, get the busy.
Well, you know, you see signs.
I see signs of this, that a lotof these people are really

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deceived with what they're doingand if they fail miserably in
the end, it doesn't mean thatthe thing is going to go away,
because people are alreadyadopting it in businesses, in
society and apps.
Scott, you mentioned like whatMicrosoft is doing.
They've embedded it everywherein all the apps now and we can't

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get away from it at this point.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I get 20, 30, 40 prompts about generating
something with AI a day and Itry to avoid it.
But you're right, patrick, it'severywhere Scott.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
So I think, patrick, I appreciate you bringing up
this discussion and, like abiblical worldview, reset on who
is the intelligent ones hereand that the Lord has created,
and certainly we.
To your point, I think it'svery wise to call out that
artificial intelligence is adeception.

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I mean, at the end of the day,it is not intelligent.
I mean, at the end of the day,it is not intelligent.
It's been trained.
It's not learning on its own.
Humans are feeding it andtelling it what to do and
putting boundaries andeverything in there.
So I think that, uh, that's avery good reminder, but when

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we're talking about industryterms, we'll use those terms
because that's what people haveheard and understand, but I want
to acknowledge the truth ofwhat you said, brother.
Okay, so, and where I would liketo just remind the audience,
every one of us has had anexperience with a chatbot on

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your website.
Pick any website.
You're dealing with a chatbot.
That is the very definition ofstupid, right?
You can never get anything doneand then you can't find the
support link to actually get aphone call to the right support
team.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's like talking to India on that question.
You know what I mean.
There's like a big languagebarrier there.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, I think that it's like a big asked question
prompt type of thing or youraccount balance, something easy.
Then you get in the weeds very,very quickly with chatbots
today, and that is the issuethat Patrick's bringing up.
There's not a lot of depththere right now.
And, agi, I don't think we'regoing to see artificial general
intelligence, which, again, Iadmit, is an oxymoron and, by
the way, a massive deception.
I don't think we're going tosee artificial general

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intelligence, which, again, Iadmit, is an oxymoron and, by
the way, a massive deception.
I don't think we're going tosee that.
I think the Lord's going to fixall this stuff and come back
and it's going to all beinterrupted.
Because to me, another biblicalworldview concept is that we
are constructing the Tower ofBabel again, nimrod again and

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the Lord interrupted at thattime, and I think another
massive interruption is going tooccur before man gets his way
with fully incorporatingtranshumanism and moving away
completely from the Lord.
So I mean, what do you guysthink about that?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Are we in another?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Tower of Babel.
Moment.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
I believe, absolutely .
Yes, I think the Tower of Babelwas actually a prophecy when
you read it in its entirety, andit says if left to their
devices, nothing will beimpossible for them.
And so I think this is animportant distinction that
Patrick's made to clarify withpeople that there is no

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sentience when we talk about AI.
It's really a sophisticatedalgorithm, it's a tool, and I've
had discussions with people whowill say, well, ai is bad or AI
is good.
Ai is neutral, it's a tool.
And I've had discussions withpeople who will say, well, ai is
bad or ai is good.
Ai is neutral, it's a tool.
The problem is ai in thepossession of human beings

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fallen mankind is going toamplify our sin, right so much.
The same way, I point out well,there's nothing evil about
trains, there's nothing evilabout assembly lines or ovens,
but the fallen wickedness of thehuman heart took that and
turned that into Naziconcentration camps.

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They used all of those toolsfor evil.
The same, I believe, is goingto be true of AI.
We're already seeing it withsome of the output that comes
out of AI.
What's been input into it arethe beliefs of fallen mankind.
So you're not getting.

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You know.
Sometimes you might get sometruth out of AI, but you won't
get the ultimate truth, god'sword, out of AI.
Because of its origin is fallenmankind.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
And if you hoover up the internet, Brett, you're
going to get garbage in garbageout, right?
Absolutely yeah.
So you're right.
I think that's absolutely right.
And there's no amount oftraining safety protocols that's
going to completely check that,because it's all embedded in
the training data.
It's like a nerve.

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You know you can fire a nerveand all of a sudden your knee
jerks.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not very smart, it's likea lizard brain kind of, if you
will, but it is effective incertain tasks and that is where
we're seeing dramatic changes toworkforce environment.

(24:12):
And, by the way, Brett, youmight want to talk about the
Tech Boss article that came upand what does it mean for us?
And yes, it's not really trueintelligence, but it does have a
very significant impact yes,and it's going to.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's the kind of thing that could kill you in the
end of it.
I think that's with the false,false prophets going to use uh,
it will, whatever that, this aisystem that we see in the book
of revelation, um, that this,this whole thing, is going to
persist, I do think, through therapture and through the
tribulation, until Christ putsan end of it.

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Finally.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I agree with that, by the way, that it will go all
the way through, because at thehalf point, that's when the
false prophet begins enforcingthe consequences of not taking
the mark.
And all of that has to be runon AI basically.
You can't have enough people ina data center approving
transactions for them to work.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
In that term you mean AI in the sense of advanced
technology that can hoover upall your data and control things
.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, Is that what you?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
mean Scott, when are?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
you Right.
Think about it.
It knows all your daily.
You know traffic patterns.
Where are you, so we can getyou.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
What are you buying?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So we can revoke it.
Revoke permission in yourwallet.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
So four years ago I bought this very great chair and
I hesitate to make use the namebecause then what will happen
to me was a part of the chairbroke.
So I dug out the email that Igot from the company when I
bought it and I took a pictureof the bottom of the chair where

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the piece had broken, and thenopened Facebook and there were
ads for office chairs allthrough my Facebook feed for the
last two days dozens of ads foroffice chairs, including some
from the company that needs tois honoring the warranty on the

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chair, but it didn't take anytime at all.
Or if I go to the golf storeand I look at a putter and
nothing else, I get ads forputter.
If I look at a putter in a golfbag, I get ads for both of them
everywhere.

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I mean, and I might have left,I have my phone in my pocket but
I'm not looking at it while I'min the store, but it knows
everywhere that I've gone.
So what were you talking aboutwhen you mentioned something
with Brit and the tech bots orsomething?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, brit brought to our attention an article about
employers are essentially whydon't you take that overlying
basically to their employeesabout the impact of AI.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, well, I think a way of saying what AI does is
processing and analyzing.
It greatly enhances ourcapacity as a civilization to do
that.
You know, when you think of youknow the KGB during the Soviet
Union could only dream of thedata that's being gathered on

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citizens today.
They didn't have enough humanagents to do anything with that
data if they could.
But AI gives the ability tosift through all of that data,
pick out certain predeterminedpatterns and bring those to the
attention of a human being, andso we see, see that ability and,
as scott pointed out, it's likea another industrial revolution

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.
And so what we're going to see,imagine, think of all of the
pain that came about, all of thediscomfort as a result of the
Industrial Revolution in termsof when we think of the Luddites
and smashing mechanical weavingmachines because they're taking

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jobs.
We saw a lot of.
We saw wars erupt.
We saw societal revolutions asa result of the industrial
revolution.
What happens when you compressall of that into one or two
decades projects?

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300 million people will losetheir jobs to AI.
Now, I couldn't find where itgave a timeframe on that.
I wouldn't expect that they'resaying over the course of the
next century, but in a veryshort timeframe you could see
something like that Now.
Historically, when technologyreplaces jobs, new jobs are
created.
That's what we've seen in thepast and that's what we would

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expect going forward with thisif greater efficiencies come
about.
But if you compress thetimeframe that that's happening,
many of those people will findit very difficult to adjust to
the new reality.
So you very well could seelarge segments of the population
find themselves unemployed andmaybe even unemployable, which

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is why a lot of these peoplethat are pursuing this
constantly talk about universalbasic income that they won't
revolt.
So because that's what's comingwith this and that's what the
CEO in this article is saying ispeople are smart enough to know

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that this is going to changethe workplace.
So it doesn't mean that everyemployee is going to be replaced
by AI.
But just as you look atpersonal computers and how
that's led to greaterefficiencies, where maybe 40
years ago it took four people todo the job that one can do now,
with the productivityenhancements of using a computer

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and various software, you couldsee one person could do what a
team of five does now if theyhave AI agents at their disposal
to do that, and it may verywell mean that all five of those
people remain employed and theybecome many times more
productive.
It really depends on theindustry.

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It's going to depend on whatthe job and the task is, but
this, I believe, has a very highprobability of being extremely
disruptive on a global scalewhen it comes to the job market
and the impact of that onsociety, if we have tens of
millions of people suddenlyunemployed.

(30:55):
I don't know what your thoughtsare on that.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Go ahead, Scott.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
One thing we should mention is that the argument
that the elites make is even inthe industrial revolution, there
were losers and winners, andwhat's going to happen with AI
and these advancements that arebeing made is, they'll say, sure
, jobs are lost.
And, by the way, there'shundreds of thousands of Silicon

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Valley employees that have losttheir job over the last two
years, hundreds of thousands.
They're just gone because notjust because of AI, but because
a lot of the efficiencies andthings that they're doing.
Not just because of AI, butbecause a lot of the
efficiencies and things thatthey're doing.
So what I think it's importantto know is what they're saying
is that there's newopportunities that are coming to

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and to the employment situation.
If you see, you're in a positionwhich could be impacted by AI,
it really is smart.
Be wise, learn what you can.
Try to reposition your skillset.
Take a class somewhere, a bootcamp, try to you know, make

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yourself relevant, skill-wise ina world which is increasingly
competitive.
And, by the way, yourcompetitiveness isn't
necessarily against the guy downthe street, it's against this,
as Patrick would say, this falseentity.
I love that, you know, in adata center somewhere, they call

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them employees even you knowbecause they're doing work for
the company.
So you may shed real human, youknow people in your workforce,
but they're uptaking employeepositions through AI, and so the
encouragement here is let's besmart about this, if you know.

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And the thing that surprises meis that this is hitting white
collar really hard, and I thinkback in the 50s, 60s, 70s, the
narrative was this is going toaffect the blue collar sector
because robots would move youknow things and build it, and
that's not what's happening now.
The white collar side is there.

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So the industries that areinvolved in this, the job
positions that are somewhat atrisk for this type of thing, you
have to decide.
What are you going to do.
You have to bear down andfigure this out.
There's no shortcuts here.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So let me make a couple points and maybe this
will branch the discussion off alittle bit different direction.
So I sent you guys somearticles and I have talked about
declining demographics atprophecy conferences and stuff
for many years now, because Ithink it's something that's
overlooked as part of thisconvergence of all these things.

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So this week or the other day,foreign Affairs, which is a big
technocratic publication, asPatrick well knows, council on
Foreign Relations published anarticle and the title of the
article was the Age ofDepopulation.

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This morning on the front pageof the Wall Street Journal was
another article saying we'rerunning out of workers
everywhere.
The populations are decliningin most countries, particularly

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in the West.
Japan will lose 2 millionpopulation this year, after
losing a million last year,losing a million last year.
That's 3 million people inJapan that have evaporated and

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there's nobody.
The point is there's nobody toreplace them on the people
coming of age, and I don't knowthat and I think it's one of
these things where I think Godintervenes.
China could be half thepopulation, if the lord tarry's
that it is right now.
In 35 years, 30 years, half thepopulation, that's hundreds of

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millions of people.
And so there is, and so the aitech people will say, well, we
need this so that these robotsthat we're developing will be
able to take the place of theworkers who no longer exist.
And then we saw last week ElonMusk rolling out, a bunch of

(35:55):
walking around with a bunch ofrobots someplace, um, so, anyway
, do you have any thoughts onthat, or am I totally off base?
But I Hmm.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
This has been brewing for years.
Yeah, I remember there was.
There was a uh an excellentvideo series on DVD.
Remember DVDs when videos wereon DVDvds long time ago, right?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I remember vhs well, not that long um tracks, but
there were.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
There was a great uh dvd series called the, the
demographic bomb, another Ithink that the sequel was a
demographic graphic winner.
I think it was, and, um, thisis probably 12 years ago, maybe
now, maybe 15 years ago, and itwas excellent.
It was put up, put put togetherby a group of uh uh uh what do

(36:50):
they call them?
Um social science?
Um uh, people that studydemographics.
Uh, demographer, academicsocial science?
um, uh, people that studydemographics uh, demographers,
academics yeah exactly and uhthey, they laid it down and
absolutely positively said we're, we're headed down, all the
while everybody's screaming wehave too much, too much
population.

(37:11):
The world is going to, you know, be full of people, etc.
And cetera, and the oppositehas happened.
The devil's at work here, youknow he is.
He would like to kill everybodyif he could.

(37:32):
China's one-child policy, forinstance.
Or Bill Gates giving vaccineswith abortion drugs and stuff to
people in Africa and everywherein between.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
The pressure is now downwards on human population
period there is, uh, pretty goodevidence that within a decade
or so um, when I, when I say adecade or so away now at my age,

(38:13):
I'm sort of thinking like Idon't really maybe not need to
worry about that, I'll just goplay golf or something but that
between China and India theywill soon have if they don't
already, I think they probablydo already 200 million because

(38:34):
of sex selection in abortionsand that sort of thing on one
child and favoring males.
They'll have 200 million malesin india and china alone that
have no prospect for a wife andwhat.
What does that do to the worldand what happens?

(38:55):
And how does that do to theworld and what happens?
And how does that fit into thisBible prophecy scenario that we
talk about?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Are you alluding to the 200 million man army in
Revelation?

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Well, I'm just telling you that's the number
that came up.
I don't know if that's where itcomes from, I don't know.
There's a lot of argument aboutwhether that's a human army or
demonic army or whatever, butit's just a number.
When I started running thenumbers between the two
countries, it was pushing thatnumber and nobody.

(39:35):
I don't know that.
I've seen it.
I just don't know why nobodytalks about it.
But then again the tech guyswill just say well, we need more
tech because that's going tofill in the gaps.
So you're not going to havesomebody at McDonald's or
In-N-Out sometime to get yourstuff.

(39:55):
It's they're going to automatethat as much as possible, mainly
because they don't have peopleto do it.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
We're already seeing that.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I don't go buy a fast food place that doesn't have a
Help Wanted.
Sign on it now, at least herein central Ohio.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I've been to two restaurants the way this week or
that this week and last week,that had automated um robots
delivering food to your table.
Somewhat, some of the kitchen,uh, they put your, your dish,
whatever you ordered, on this.
Uh, this robot, it it comes out, blink, blink, blink, blink.

(40:37):
You know, no, no arms, but itcomes out to you and comes to
your table and said, please,something like, uh, please,
remove your food.
No, no person in sight, right,just, they just brought it out.
Well, no, no service there, Iguess, but uh, this is going to
be increasing in in the future.

(40:58):
You can, just you can see it,because these people can buy a,
probably buy one of these thingslike five thousand bucks, and
they never have to do anythingto it, uh, except recharge it
scott, let's move over to one ofthe topics that you suggested
tonight sentient spy system.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
So I'll let you run with that.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Sure, this is kind of another status of the world in
the beast system.
Remember, we have said for awhile now that we believe that
the beast system is being set upright now Okay.
We believe that the B system isbeing set up right now, okay.
And John, did you ever pull upthe Tesla or the Starlink

(41:43):
coverage map?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, hang on a second Brett.
You had that in your.
Was that in your notes aboutpulling that up?
It was in my notes.
Okay, this week's notes.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yes, it's the PDF I gave you.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Right, right.
I'm just looking for the linkhere.
Go ahead and talk.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I'll pull it up.
I'll find it for you.
It's under Elon Musk, tesla onpage number nine,
satellitemapspace.
Okay, if you can have ouraudience, look at that full
screen, john, while I narratethat satellite map dot space
let's see.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
I want to make sure that's okay, elon musk tesla
phone yeah, I have these in twodifferent windows here, so I'm
looking for you, said it's onpage nine.
Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
So while we're bringing that up, this is
related to several topics here.
We'll get back to Elon and hisphone in a minute, but let's
take a look at this coverage map.
John, this is interactive.
You can grab that with yourmouse and move it around.
I want our audience tounderstand that this is a map of

(43:12):
Starlink all of the satellitesthat are in outer space and low
Earth orbit right now.
This is a real-time display.
Can you spot any place on theEarth that does not have
satellite coverage on it?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Well, let's go down to Antarctica, and, by the way,
we don't need any flat earthcomments here.
So the uh, I'm sure those willbe coming.
Well, I mean, you look at thepoles.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
There's not a lot at the pole, look look at all, and
these are flying around guys.
These are not geostationary,which means that they are uh,
they're moving, so that it'slike a mesh network and each one
of these has a specificidentifier.
Yes, of course they're eachseparate satellites.

(44:06):
Okay, and contemplate thechokehold over low-orbit
communications.
Now, this is Internet trafficright now, but it's leading over

(44:28):
into mobile cellular traffic aswell.
And, as case in point, elon hasjust announced his Tesla phone
called the Pi mathematicalsymbol, and what it is going to
do is have a interconnect intothis outer space mesh system.

(44:50):
And I think that when I look atcontrol narrative by the B
system, this is it, guys thesatellites, the Falcon 9s that
are going up, the reusablerockets that they're using today
and, by the way, the FalconHeavy that just was caught,

(45:12):
launched and caught byMechagazilla, I guess it's
called with the chopsticks.
That was a stunning technicalachievement.
But the Falcon 9s I thinkthere's over 200 missions
they've already done this yearalone.
Each one of those is capable ofcarrying 21 satellites, so I
think that they've askedpermission to go beyond 14,000

(45:34):
satellites.
That's what we're seeing onthis map.
These are real.
If you have a Starlink thingpointed up towards the mesh, you
can get internet anywhere onthe globe.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Well, in connection with the North Carolina disaster
weather disaster of the lastcouple of weeks we have a family
member who's the mayor of atown there in Western North
Carolina and he was saying thehardest thing that they had was
they had no communications atall, nothing, no cell phones, no

(46:10):
landlines, nothing.
They had no way to communicateand enter Elon Musk and Starlink
and now they have cell phonecommunications there you go.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
By the way, I just discussed this on Tom's show not
too long ago about cell phonesbeing the most pervasive on-ramp
for the beast system anddigital currency one world
identity, and that's becausecell phones are are used by 80

(46:47):
of the adult population on theplanet right now.
That's the on-ramp ismobile-based digital wallets and
mobile-based payments and, oh,by the way, the X platform,
formerly known as Twitter, oneof Musk, well known, by the way.

(47:07):
He was the co-founder of PayPal.
Hello, correct.
So, he With.
Sam Alban, the head of OpenAI,he wants to create a worldwide
payment gateway through the Xplatform.
He wants it to be theeverything app.
So he's got communications, hehas payment treasury, social

(47:29):
communications, he's got AI allkinds of stuff together.
And this is why, you know,we've all been observing and
tried to educate our audiencethat the beast system isn't
something that will be deliveredafter we're gone today, and

(48:00):
when we're gone and therestrainer is removed, all that
stuff is going to tumble out atthe feet of the antichrist that
will be revealed after we'regone.
So it's very, very sobering tosee the satellite system here
realize that cell phones arealready in 80% of the adults'
hands right now, all over theworld.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Sometimes I think we lose track of people like our
favorite little friend, yuvalNoah Harari, who sort of burst
on the scene.
It was six years ago it was2018 at the world economic forum
meeting, where he said the onewho controls the data will

(48:42):
control the world.
That that came three yearsafter he had gone to google to
speak at a google talks, tospeak at a Google talks to the
Google home office executivesand everyone, and he started off
his talk with this phrase Ilove coming to Silicon Valley, I

(49:05):
see my friends, but it is hereat Silicon Valley that the
religions that control humanityand the 21st century are being
created.
Yeah, unbelievable.
So is what he said nine yearsago and six years ago, and he
has a new book out called Nexusthat I haven't even had time to

(49:28):
look at.
But is what he said more orless true in terms of how this
fits into the end times?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Well, this is the same guy that calls us hackable
animals and rebukes anybody thatwould contest.
Quote the end of privacy.
Unquote, both externally andinside your body.
So he says, just get over it,it's never going to happen,
you're going to you're lose all,all of your privacy.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So I'd like to hear a little bit from Pat yeah, from
Patrick and Britt on thesesubjects.
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Britt.
Well, I think it.
I think it was interesting.
You brought up Hurricane Heleneand how communication was lost,
but due to the Starlink system,they were able to restore
communications, one of theknocks on Bitcoin and
cryptocurrencies.
Okay, in an emergency where itpowers down, how do we use these

(50:29):
?
And so one of the things peoplewere saying was we learned the
reliance on cash in the middleof this.
We learned the reliance on cashin the middle of this.
As Scott pointed out, if theTesla phone is the future and X
is the app by which you'repaying for things and Starlink
is really omnipresent andoutside of this disaster zone,
then you could still use that inthe midst of this.

(50:51):
It would remain functional, andso that's going to be one of
the arguments they use forrolling that out against anybody
that would stand up and say weshouldn't have digital currency,

(51:12):
only because that's eventuallywhat's coming.
They're already testing centralbank digital currencies and all
the things Scott was talkingabout digital IDs, wallets,
tokenized assets all of thesethings are going to be
converging together, just asPatrick said.
They're going to be puttogether, pieced together, and
we'll have this system, and thisis just another component to
make sure to reinforce thatsystem so that it's available

(51:35):
everywhere.
Not just available, but there'sno way out of it, there's no
way away from it.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
The watchmen that have gone before us.
Men never could have reallyseen this type of stage setting.
Not even in our imaginationcould we have imagined what we
see today.
And it's all happening rightnow.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It is stunning, yeah you mentioned a data um harari.
That's exactly what he said thatwhoever controls the data, the
data by itself has no mass.
You understand, you can put asmuch information on a hard drive
if you want, and it doesn'tweigh any more than when he

(52:21):
started, right, so thisinformation has no mass at all.
But when you consider all ofthese huge data centers that are
being created around ourcountry and around the world
right now the energy, energyhogs these are not these centers

(52:45):
you can't imagine how huge someof these places are just acres
and acres of server farms.
You don't need this, this kindof hardware, to process chat
bots, for pete's sake.
You really don't, um.
But when you look how it look,for instance, all the processors

(53:08):
that nvidia has to X, to Musk,to Amazon, to Meta these people
are building control farms toprocess the data.
And the thing about data iswherever data is collected from,

(53:32):
it becomes the object ofcontrol when the, when the data
is analyzed and it circles backto control the object of the
data.
That in the first place.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
This was a whole point of who well, wow,
unbelievable did you see thevideo of this, with this heavy
rocket coming back and I atfirst I thought, oh no, it's
going to hit the tower.
And then I understood, then Ifigured out it was supposed to
do that yeah, exactly, yeah,absolutely it was absolutely
incredible anyway, amazing,amazing feat.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
In fact, one of my, one of my friends called me on
the phone.
I won't say who it was, hemight know him but somebody
called me on the phone and saidafter you watch that that movie
video clip, do you think elonmusk could be the antichrist?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I said I mean the guy with a baphomet on his chest
and an upside down cross.
Yeah, that guy that guy therichest guy in the world.
No, he's not the antichrist,because the antichrist will will
be revealed.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I know we're not looking for the Antichrist.
Believe me, that was lame.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
But could some of these tech companies be some of
the kingdoms that form the BeastEmpire?
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
That's where I land.
On that, I think the oligarchsto some degree, will yield their
power and authority over to theantichrist.
Sure the right power.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
The power of data is being that is being collected
everywhere in society today, notjust from our smartphones, but
all the financial transactions,all the sensors and smart cities
, all the internet of body stuff.
Now that's coming online.
There you're.
You have a just river, riversand, uh, rivers of data

(55:19):
everywhere you look.
Who's processing all that data?
Makes sense of it?
Well, that's where these datacenters are going to come in.
These are control.
They're going to be the objectof control mechanism to control
everything in society.
Control mechanism to controleverything in society.

(55:42):
This has been a truism to mefor many years.
The object of the data in thefirst place.
If somebody wants to collectyour data, it's only to use it
to control you in the end, andthat's the same for any other-.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
And to monetize you, patrick Pardon, and to monetize
you, patrick.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Pardon.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
And to monetize you until such time.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Well, exactly, look at the concept of, for instance,
digital twins.
They're making digital twins ofpeople now, but they're also
making digital twins of citieswhole cities now.
Digital twins of cities, wholecities now, where all the
sensors in real time arecollecting information, where
the people can go in with AI tofigure out what's going on in

(56:23):
the digital twin and then makeadjustments and then commit it
back to the physical twin.
This has always been the objectof control.
When you collect data, youprocess it and then you turn it
back to control whatever it isyou collected from in the first
place.
This is going to be how theAntichrist controls everything

(56:44):
in the end by processing all thedata that's collected from
society, and these people neverget enough data.
They've said that there's notenough data ever for these
people to satisfy them.
They want everything, even downto your DNA at this point, even
if they could get it.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, you're seeing that on a lot of the drones that
you keep talking about right,sure.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Yeah, I was going to say that I don't know what your
experience is, but in the lastseveral years, anytime I go to
get a device, I'm findingthere's fewer and fewer ports
out for the device.
For instance, used to be youwould get a lot of USB ports on
the side of a laptop, now it's.
You struggle to find some ofthose sometimes and they, they

(57:36):
want everything connected to theInternet and everything to be
stored in the cloud.
So there's less and lessstorage on devices.
Now they want it in the cloudbecause they want to be able to
control it.
They want to be able to processit, analyze it, see it, use it
for their various purposes,whether it's monetization,
whether it's to feed the AI orwhether it's to simply spy and

(57:58):
surveil.
And you know, even it used tobe you could have things on your
desktop computer that werethere and yours, and now you
know if your internet connectiongoes down, all of that stuff's
missing because it's on thecloud and that's the default.
Now you have to go out of yourway to keep those things off,

(58:22):
and that's the way it is ineverything now.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, and one thing I'd like to add to that, brett
and Patrick, is that when youlisten to MonkeyWorks okay, I,
like Monkey, never met himpersonally but he talks about
the flyovers of the Intelflights that are hoovering up

(58:46):
all the cell traffic andeverything, and you don't know
what they're observing from aplane 30, 40,000 feet up in the
air.
And so surveillance isn't justdone at landlines, you know it's
done from orbit, if you will.
So that brings us to thesentient AI story that broke.
The US government is using AIsystems for some time now, and

(59:09):
what was notable about this?
It's for national security andsurveillance.
It's for national security andsurveillance, but to the point
that we've been discussing, noone knows what it's doing or
what data are they collectingand what are they doing with
that data.
It's a black box, no one knows.

(59:30):
But what caught my attentionwith this article was the fact
that AI can command theirsatellite fleet, which is
dedicated to this, to move inorbit in order to reposition an
asset, to do surveillance andspying on whatever target they

(59:50):
want to.
Yes, that is unreal.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Patrick.
When Patrick and I did aconference a couple weeks ago
over around Dayton Ohio and Iforget where we were, patrick I
think we were down at a BJ'sBrewhouse restaurant we were
sitting in the parking lotwaiting to get dinner to go.
If you remember, yes, and what?

(01:00:16):
Do you have?
Some kind of Bluetooth snifferor something like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
that I do To find all the Bluetooth connections
Exactly and there was nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
you understand, there's a, there's a, there's a
restaurant next door yes, Sortof a high end, but nobody was
there and there was nobody inthe parking lot and there
weren't that many people in therestaurant.
But I'm thinking you said thereare 385 Bluetooth connections
within range of my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
It started out like 300 and then it went to 400.
Then it went to 500, 600, 700.
It just was off the chart.
In fact.
We left and it was stillcounting.
Yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
And I've seen Wi-Fi type sniffers that people have
programmed so that you know I'mnot connected, but they can tell
where everybody in the house is.
They can get an imprint of them, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, you know, scott , you mentioned something, a
keyword, a data IT keyword, theword mesh.
You used that a network ofBluetooth that has been created

(01:01:45):
already, where Bluetooth has theability to communicate with
other Bluetooth devices in thebackground, outside of the
internet connections.
You don't have to have anyinternet at all for Bluetooth

(01:02:10):
connections to happen, whenBluetooth and this is going to
be collected by centralcollections point to send into

(01:02:34):
the cloud.
Perhaps this is an incredibleconcept when, when I was I, when
I discovered all thesebluetooth things I have several
my ears, my hearing aids, myphone, I have a pacemaker,
pacemaker, um, that's allbluetooth.
But you, you figure that allthe cars have bluetooth, all the

(01:02:54):
phones of the people, who knowswhatever, uh, I have no idea
what.
What could have generated 17700 bluetooth signals in in
reach of my phone to figure themall out?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
and, by the way, I was sitting next to patrick.
I was, I was, I was freakingout, I know, when there was no
car, there were hardly any carsin the parking lot and hardly
anybody in the restaurant, andthen it's like I want one of
those.
Where's all of these Put a?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
link in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Why?
Because you don't freakyourself out enough on a daily
basis as it is Well you know,because I use blackout bags
whenever I have a sensitiveconversation, exactly yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I think people, just so our listeners,
listeners understand, you canget these on Amazon, but I put
my cell phone, my watch, I put,you know, my devices in this
thing and it cuts it off frombeing available for those types
of connections.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's a fair.
It's like a Faraday cage small.
Faraday cage for your devicesyour devices people you might
want to go to well for yourdevices People you might want to
go to well.
Amazon's going to know youbought it anyway, so just go to
Amazon and get it, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
So talk a little bit more about this sentient AI and
then I think, Scott, you hadmentioned something the system
again, John, think about it.
You've got AI commanding andcontrolling very sophisticated
intelligence platform.
Think about it.
That's exactly what we predictis going to be necessary to run

(01:04:28):
the one world system.
It's just, it's lining up soperfect it's not even funny
anymore.
It's not even speculation.
I mean, this has been going onfor years and we will never know
the full extent of thegroundwork that's been laid, you

(01:04:48):
know, for what's coming in thetribulation period.
We just don't have any idea,probably, but I'll tell you who
will.
It's the martyrs in the fifthseal.
They are going to know becauseof the strength of their
testimony in Jesus Christ andthe word of God.
They are going to know.
It is extremely it's hard toget your head around what

(01:05:17):
they're going to be facing,because we already see it today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I always find their reaction interesting Redeem
people of God, and what are theyasking for?
They're asking for God to comeand pour his wrath out on people
right Avenge us.
It's just kind of aninteresting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
But that's already when they're in the throne room,
right, John?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
That's correct.
But they're redeemed andthey're there, but they want God
to do the justice that Godpromised.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
But I think we're aligned with that.
We want that too.
We want justice andrighteousness to be here, and so
that's why I say Maranatha allthe time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
So let's go back to the digital digitization of
everything and, britt, you'vedone a lot of talking about
tokenization of assets, soexplain what that is and how
this all, how that fits into allof this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Well, basically, it's a digital representation of
something in the real world.
So you'll hear the term realworld assets used a lot.
So imagine, on just arudimentary sense, if you create
a digital token, similar toBitcoin, to represent each share
of stock or each bond that'straded.

(01:06:41):
So we're seeing a lot offinancial transactions being
part of this initial rollout.
But they want to digitizeeverything, every aspect.
Because when you think aboutthe control that comes with the
mark of the beast system and theability to buy and sell,
central bank digital currency ishalf of the equation, because

(01:07:05):
if you're trading currency for aproduct or a service, that
currency is going to be half ofthat transaction.
If that product or service canbe tokenized, that's the other
half that they can control.
Product or service can betokenized, that's the other half
that they can control.
And so we've talked about theprogrammability of central bank

(01:07:26):
digital currency and how theycould say well, we're going to
set parameters.
We don't like what John saidlast week.
So you know you can't spend anyof your currency outside of a
one mile radius of your home andeffectively put you under house
arrest.
Well, they could do the samething with tokenized assets

(01:07:46):
through smart contracts, wherethey program those to say these
assets cannot be sold to certainindividuals or only under
certain circumstances.
So it's just another means ofcontrolling every aspect of life
.
As Patrick pointed out, they'vebuilt a digital representation

(01:08:08):
of the entire earth, of all ofcivilization.
They want to control everyaspect of it, pull in all of the
data that they possibly can togive themselves complete control
, because whoever's at the headof this and Bible tells us the
Antichrist will be during thetribulation will have complete
control over every aspect.
There will be nowhere to hide.

(01:08:30):
They'll be able to seeeverything you're doing and
control everything that you'redoing and control everything
that you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
That's a digital footprint concept, but with
hundreds of millions of camerasaround too, it's also a visual
trap.
So I predict I think we wouldall agree that when things
really begin to becomeoppressive, people will flee for
remote areas and hunker downaway from a lot of that.

(01:09:05):
The thing is, if you've got,you know, thousands and
thousands of satellites that youknow have the ability to look
down with pretty good precisionI think it's one meter square
they can resolve.
Well, a human body from spacelooks like about a one meter,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
So it's gonna be very , very difficult to hide you
know, and I've argued in thepast, that we'll reach a point
in time, particularly oncemolecular manufacturing comes
into being, where they'll beable to create, very
inexpensively, trillions andtrillions of miniature cameras

(01:09:46):
and microphones the size of dust, and it'll just spread across
the planet the same way dustdoes.
So try to keep dust out of yourhouse.
And the thing is, even if youcould create a space, a clean
room to live in, to hide away,that's just going to expose you.
It's going to show up on theirdigital map.
Why is this space not beingsurveilled right now?

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Why is this space blank?
Why is it empty?
So, as you said, there will benowhere to hide to hide.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
And yet the hope is that people do make it all the
way through and go through thesheep and goat judgment at the
end of the seven years and go oninto the millennial reign.
So there is a remnant.
The Lord always has a remnant.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Siberia and Alaska look fairly and northern Canada
look fairly open, althoughthere's not much there anyway.
We drove across Canada lastyear and it was a lot of Ontario
seemed to go on forever andthere was a lake.
Every seemed like every 25 feetthere was a new lake along the

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road 40% of the world's freshwater in Ontario, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
But anyway I think if anyone the Tribulation Saints,
it's going to be the grace ofGod.
It's going to be God'smiraculous hand that guides them
through that.
I don't think it's going to beany preparations that people
made or they made the rightchoice to go to the right place.
I don't think it's going to beany preparations that people
made or they made the rightchoice to go to the right place.
I think it's just going to bethe hand of God causing blind

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spots for the enemy and seeingpeople through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
It's like hiding in a little niche, somewhere above
the ability for the enemy todetect, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
So I agree with you 100 brother you know when I look
at, uh, how dark the world isgetting today.
We're talking about it rightnow.
The darker it gets, the moreyou appreciate the light and the
kingdom of God, because thecontrast is very evident.

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Now, maybe to me, not so muchother people necessarily, but
people are catching on.
People are catching on that theworld is being given over to
evil in general and the stuffwe're talking about, this beast
system, whatever.
That's evil to the core.
And this contrast from thekingdom of God that God sent his

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son into to rescue us in thefirst place and he sends us in
the same world to do the samething.
If we have perspective on this,it should give us encouragement
to know where our home is.
It's not in this world, it's inthe kingdom of God.

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That kingdom is secure forever.
We're sent and out of this intothis world to do a.
We're on mission, we're onpoint, whatever for a purpose.

(01:13:21):
Some are watchmen, others are,you know, evangelists, some some
other stuff, but I look at thiswhole picture right now that
we're discussing.
This highlights how wonderfulthe kingdom of God is and why we
should be in it in the firstplace.
We don't want to have one footin the world and one foot in the

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kingdom.
No, god wants us to have bothfeet in the kingdom and not have
anything to do with the worldin the first place.
In other words, the NewTestament says we're in the
world, but we're not of theworld.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Following up on the commercial break that you
initiated there, patrick.
Good, you get two points,brother.
So I think that how do weprocess this?
That's one perspective, and Ijust want to remind everybody
that we must engage as we seethe things that we are seeing.

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To engage as we see the thingsthat we are seeing, I mean with
every, let's say, announcementof new tech and the speed and
acceleration, the convergence.
We're so far beyond convergenceat this point.
You know that was an old termfor people that were just coming
up to why is this decade moresignificant prophetically than

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the decades that have alwaysbeen talking about these things?
Well, the term convergence iswhat convinced people that this
is unique now.
The rebirth of Israel as anation in 1948, the convergence
of all the signs.
Well, now we're just on acompletely new level.
We're seeing the base systemright now and if that doesn't

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signal for us that our finishline is approaching, I don't
know what would convince anybody.
So the encouragement in thiscommercial break that we're
having is that we have to make adecision about how are we going
to address and approach ourpersonal sanctification.

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To be ready as a pure bride ofChrist, we have to lay down
childish things.
This is something that I'mgoing through.
All of us are going throughthis phase.
Right now we have to have ouroil ready, our wicks trimmed,
that whole deal.
We have to be prepared and wehave to look up while we

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continue to occupy until hecomes right.
So this is not easy.
This is an incredibly difficulttime in history to be engaged
in, but the Lord was intentionfor us to be here at this time.
So, talking about mission, whatis it that the Lord has been

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calling you to, or that is laidon your heart, or a conversation
that must be had, or other?
You know, let's say, discussinghelping people at your church.
You know, let's say, discussinghelping people at your church.
You know, I hear a lot ofpeople all of us do where they
say, well, my church doesn'tteach this stuff.
Well, go be the person thathelps.

(01:16:28):
Connect dots.
We have to engage right now,because if we don't do that, I'm
tempted even to curl up in aball and suck my thumb.
I mean, just give me a beanbagand a couple of Twinkies and
I'll be good for a while, right?
So it's just, guys, everythingthat we see should resolve

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itself, not to have fear andanxiety, because that just means
we need to push harder.
Have fear and anxiety becausethat just means we need to push
harder If we're waiting in aseason of waiting.
I want to do this.
I think the Lord wants me to dothat, and yet we continue to
hesitate, procrastinate anddelay, with the beam of seat so
close.

(01:17:14):
Guys, I implore you, please takethese things the Lord has put
on your heart to the Lord andpray about it.
This is the season for action,for dusting off the things that
the Lord has called us to dothat we have not yet
accomplished, and to push withall of our might.
We should be sprinting at thispoint, not walking.

(01:17:34):
This is not Christianity.
101 anymore, guys.
This is PhD level.
How do we finish?
Well, britt, I'd like to hear101 anymore, guys, this is PhD
level.
How do we finish?
Well, britt?
I'd like to hear from you too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Yeah, well, I think you know the farmer waits for
ideal conditions to plant,probably never going to plant
right.
And you know, on a personalnote, you can see behind me I've
got this bookcase.
It's not terrible to look at.
But when I started doing thesevideos a couple of years ago, we
were in the process of buildinga house and we were staying at

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my dad's and the only place Icould go where it was basically
soundproof was this closet inthe room over the garage there,
and so you could see the barholder behind me.
I mean it was this terriblebackground.
But you just have to take whatthe Lord gives you.

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Don't wait for ideal conditions.
So, as you said, scott, if theLord is putting on your heart to
do something, take action, buttake action.
Don't wait for some sort ofideal circumstance, because it's
unlikely that's ever going tocome.
And you know I mean we look at,you know some of the tyrannical

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behavior that's coming at us.
For those of us that live in theUnited States and the Western
world, maybe we're not used tothat from the lives we've lived,
but think of what the churchwent through in the early stages
in the book of Acts.
I mean the tyranny of the RomanEmpire.
And every day you woke up younever knew.
Or are you going to have asword thrust through you that

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day?
You really had no idea.
And we need to be living ourlives the same way, fearless,
against whatever tyranny iscoming against us or whatever
threat man can make against us.
We should be fearing God, notevildoers.
The evildoers will pass away.

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The things they're doing willcome to nothing.
Christ has already won thevictory.
So we need to be boldly movingforward.
And you mentioned we're runninga race.
We can see that finish line.
For those who are runners andhave run long distances, you
know when you, when you'rerunning a marathon and you can
see the finish line.
That's not when you say, hey,look, I'm almost at the end, let

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me sit down for a little while,or take a break.
That's when you sprint, becauseyou go, hey, I'm going to be
able to rest soon, I can see thefinish line, so let me expend
all the energy I can now to getto that destination and that's
when I'll rest.
And that's what we should bedoing now is we should be going

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all out in whatever work theLord has given us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, exactly you know we are God's first
responders in this world.
Think of the first respondersthat you know.
How about a fireman?
They sit around most of thetime on their duff right, but
when there's a fire, what dothey do?
They run towards the fire.
How about a policeman?

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They often sit around eatingdonuts, for instance, but when
there's a crime or somebodyneeds help, how do they respond?
They run to the scene of theaccident or whatever.
And the idea is that's the firstresponders are the one who pick
out what's going on.

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Somebody's wounded, somebody'sin trouble and under duress, or
whatever.
They run to that person to getthem out of trouble and rescue
them.
That's us.
That should be where our mentalattitude should be.

(01:21:27):
Well, we're not doing anythingright now.
I'm sitting here in my chair,whatever.
I'm not stressed at all, but ifI have an opportunity, if the
Lord shows me somebody needshelp or under duress or needs
information that I could givethem, or whatever, we should be
in a position to run to thatperson to get whatever they need

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out of our storehouseno-transcript.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
You know how do you face that emotionally and how do
you become an overcomer.
And that is something that Ideal with, because I have a lot
of things that you know I'mtrying to do and I think the one
encouragement that I haveworked through is I just

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flat-out begin that prayer bysaying, lord, I can't do it, I
just can't, and unless you do it, I will, and I will be the
willing servant, remember yesthen I will follow your lead.
But I think we get the voice inthe back of the ear here.

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That enemy says oh, it's toolate for you.
You blew it years ago.
If people knew, doesn't soundfamiliar.
If people knew you were reallywere trying to do that, really
Is that?
Are they going to let you dothat?
I mean, the voice of the enemyis in there pounding away.
Right, you have to takeauthority over that stuff and

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wear armor.
Notice that those are nowflaming darts, not just darts
anymore, because we're in theend, the end of this age, darts
anymore, because we're in theend, the end of this age, right?
So we have to take authorityover it and realize that even
the widow that put a mina in theplate, do you realize, in front

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of all the Pharisees that wereboasting about their
contribution, do you realizethat that widow this is
emotional, everyone listen thatlittle minor, that little tiny
coin I can't remember what afraction of a penny that is
Jesus said she has put in morethan all of you.
And the thing that I haverealized is that woman is

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memorialized for all eternity inthe word of God.
Her story is there.
She is there.
We are going to meet her oneday and I don't want our
audience to fall back in dismaythinking that it's too late

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because that is from the enemy.
And the thing that I realizedis that it's not what we have
done, it's the obedience uponwhich we have done it right.
We can't control the numbers ofwhat we do, but we can control
our obedience to the Lord andthe prompting of His Holy Spirit

(01:24:55):
.
So the thing is Holy Spirit.
So the thing is what is thetrajectory of our maturity?
Is your maturity increasing?
Is your holiness increasing?
Is your cooperation with HolySpirit and missions increasing?
Or are you kind of, you know,withdrawing and sliding down?

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If you're a prodigal, you haveto have a reality check.
It's time for you to re-engagewith the Lord, to get your feet
on the rock and to begin readingthe word of God and to pray
earnestly.
God forgive me for that andhelp me to finish well,
earnestly.
God forgive me for that andhelp me to finish well.

(01:25:39):
And I'm convinced, just in myheart, in my spirit, the truth
is, if we have the righttrajectory, that we're going to
have a successful.
You know, be in a seat momentwith the Lord, one on one, I
just think that that's somethingthat's incredibly honoring to
the Lord, and there is alwayshope for the trajectory that we

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have to increase that is justwhat I've kind of been thinking
about over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
So I've thought about some of these things a lot and,
um, you know, there's umpressure to kind of, uh, do this
, do that.
Uh, I remember back in the daysof the church growth movement
where the church really went offin a lot of crazy directions

(01:26:35):
and I sort of said that you justgot to do the right thing, the
Lord will lead you, the Lordwill open doors for you and he's
opened doors for me.
That I never expected and Ithink we need to remember that

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we're a link in a very longchain back that goes back to the
apostles and Jesus, and I don'tknow if this is relevant, but
it has struck me.
You know, I have some friendswho are into genealogies and
that type of thing and I thinkone of the things we will do

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once the Lord returns, we'llhave time to literally trace our
spiritual lineage back all theway to the apostles and I think
we will be stunned at all of thedifferent miracles that took

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place so that we could become alink in that chain.
I thought about that a lotbecause I sort of think of my
own spiritual heritage and Itrace it back a little bit, but
then it gets lost.
But how many people heard thegospel from somebody who just

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barely missed having a fatal caraccident or something like that
and then that led to all theseother people getting saved too?
So I just think that we justneed to be faithful in little
things and then, um, god willwork it out.

(01:28:28):
I had a pastor once who was oneof the best pulpit preachers
I've ever heard.
And uh, I'm a lawyer, solawyers get to ask questions a
lot.
Sometimes people get irritatedabout that.
But I asked him.
I said did you ever preach areal stinker of a sermon?

(01:28:52):
There was another guy sittingthere like I can't believe.
You asked him that question andhe said all the time it happens
, I'm not satisfied.
I said so what happens when youdo that?
People rededicate their life,people get saved, people learn

(01:29:13):
about the Lord.
Ah, so I said so it's notreally all about you.
Then the Lord will use ourlittle meager offerings to his
glorification.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Yeah, I'm often encouraging those that I
interact with to take the nextstep, and that's a pretty famous
saying.
But I add a nuance to thatwhere I say there's six inches
of visibility.
And if you recall back in theOld Testament, the story of

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Joshua, you know sending theLevitical priests ahead to cross
the Jordan.
They didn't, you know they hadto do that.
They were taking that leap offaith to put their feet in the
water before the upstream thingwas, you know, stopped by the
Lord.
And I think that there's a very, very powerful truth to that

(01:30:10):
that we have to be moving andwhen we move the Lord continues
to guide and direct our path.
But nowhere in my experiencehave I ever been able to see far
down track to find out where amI going to be next month, next
year, 10 years from now.
I don't have that kind ofvisibility.

(01:30:30):
I think the way that I justfigure how it works is I get
enough for that next step.
But it's constantly frustratingthat I don't, until I realize

(01:30:52):
something significant, which isthat I think the Lord wires us
this way in our interaction withhim, this way, because it means
that we don't get to run toofar ahead of him and his timing
plan and the orchestration ofhis redemptive plan for all of
us and the body of Christ.
So I think that the way I seeit is by only giving us a little

(01:31:17):
bit at a time.
The Lord is with us, we have tobe there, we're joined at the
hip, if you will, and we are inconstant fellowship.
Otherwise, I know my owntendency would just be to go
full blown ahead and kind offorget that the Lord was right
there.
I'm embarrassed to say that,man, but I think that that's one

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thing we want to remember isthat the grandiose plan that we
may believe we are being chargedwith as a ministry has to be
broken down into little chunks,and the most important step is
the first one to say Lord, I'mall in, I'm going to follow you,
no matter what.
That is the moment, I think,where, at least in my experience

(01:32:03):
, things began to really happenin my ministry, and I just hope
that that encourages people thatit's not always a big jump.
It's the little things that wedo.
I think, John, you said littlethings.
These are little things that weget to do, but we should do it
now.
We can't really delay.
We can't wait for a bigdownload right now.

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We have to do whatever we canwith the tools and resources
that we have the skills,abilities and tools so that we
can encourage others, becausethe time is getting short.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Let me, can I, summarize this Sure 2
Corinthians, chapter 5 and verse20,.
Paul said therefore, we areambassadors for Christ.
That's like the New Testamentversion of the watchman on the

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wall in the Old Testament.
We are ambassadors for Christ,god making his appeal through us
.
We implore you on behalf ofChrist, be reconciled to God.
The idea is he's making theappeal through us as ambassadors

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.
It'll all work out.
The idea here is, if you commityourself to being reconciled to
God in the first place, you'llsail through this thing like a
champ and you'll be rescuingmany, many people along the way.
But you don't have thatlong-term visibility for sure.

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But nevertheless, god is makinghis appeal through us in ways
we may never understand, and wedon't have to understand it
either.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Okay, Well, so let's.
I really appreciate this Backto regular programming.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
John, what's that?
Back to regular programming.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Yeah, back to yeah.
Let's stop this positive talkhere and let's get back to
reality.
By the way somebody mentioned inchat that I looked a little bit
tired.
I try to pay attention towhat's going on and I know Scott
and Patrick and Britt do tooand I know Scott and Patrick and

(01:34:30):
Britt do too and this becomesvery tiring.
For example, every morning Ihave an app for what's going on
in Israel.
So this was this morning as Iwas trying to get back to sleep.
I woke up in the middle of thenight and then this popped up on
my phone these rocket attacks.

(01:34:53):
And I have friends who livehere and I have people that I
really care about and I knowthat this Israel is central to
God's plan and this is a very,very big deal.
It's very complicated.
I know it's not the subjecttonight, uh, and I talk a lot
about, I interview people overthere all the time, but this,

(01:35:14):
this is why I look tiredsometimes, because I can't get
it out of my.
I can't get away from it, andso pray for the people in Israel
, pray for the people in theMiddle East.
But I have friends in Israeland they're very.

(01:35:35):
There's a lot ofpsychologically damaged people
over there from the events ofthe last year, and then they
have these constant running toshelters type thing, and I have
to tell you that I think thatit's prophetic that eventually

(01:35:55):
they're told to flee when acertain event happens in
Jerusalem, and I sort of thinkthat this is practice for that.
So somehow we have to make theconnection on that.
So let's, anyway, that's justmy get off topic type thing.
So I want to talk about thistechnology, ai, free speech.

(01:36:21):
Patrick, you did a conferencewith some good people a couple
of weeks ago called Omni war.
Uh, I think that was the weekbefore we spoke together over
there in Brookville Ohio withMike Spalding and Barry Stagner
and some others and, uh, I, I,I'm really concerned.

(01:36:46):
I know you've talked about thefree speech stuff a lot and,
brett, I know you have somestuff in your notes.
I think it's you, it's eitheryou or Scott, but let's talk a
little bit about this technologyand free speech and election
and what's the situation thatwe're really facing right now.

(01:37:11):
So I'll give you an example.
Financial Times had a bigarticle the other day and they
said well, you know, we knowpeople have these different
conspiracy theories, but we'venow proven, through the use of
and I think they use the term AItraining, we can get them to

(01:37:31):
let go of these things that theyhold dear, that they're
convinced are true and it's, andwe can do that.
We can manipulate them.
And so, brent, maybe you canstart off what you you know I
know you talk a lot about it onyour channel too.
What are we really facing here?

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
Yeah, so I think the article you were referencing was
talking about chatbots that hadcommunicated with people that
held what were deemed conspiracytheories, and then they began
to question those.
As a result and this is similarto what we've seen rolled out
in the last few years they callthem nudge units, which are made

(01:38:14):
to nudge you into thinking acertain way and thinking it's
your own, you're drawing yourown conclusions.
It's a form of manipulation ofthe mind, but when I look at
that, the framing of thatarticle was such that they were
saying this is how we're goingto root out misinformation and

(01:38:34):
disinformation.
I just read it, as this is anew platform from which to roll
out our propaganda, becausethat's essentially what they're
doing is they're saying we havea narrative, our narrative is
correct, we're going tomanipulate people into believing
our narrative, transform theirminds, and so there's so many

(01:38:58):
different technologies to beable to do this.
And again we've talked abouthow you know the ads that'll pop
up just from you, having lookedat something.
I've talked before about thingspopping up on the TV after I've
simply thought about it.
Again, I don't think they'rereading my mind directly, but in

(01:39:20):
a sense they are because of allof these pieces of data.
As Patrick said, they'veencapsulated all the captured,
all this data in our environmentto the point where the
algorithms often know more aboutus than we know about ourselves
.
Easier to be able to changesomeone's mind in a way that

(01:39:54):
they don't even see that that'swhat's happened to them, that
they've been nudged in aspecific direction, and so it's
a very dangerous time from thatstandpoint of when people are
being manipulated and yet theydon't even realize it.
I don't know what your thoughtsare.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Patrick.
Well, free speech is the topicof the day for sure, and all the
attacks are coming against freespeech.
They're myriad.
The one using AI especially isnasty because they've determined

(01:40:51):
multiple ways to use AI to rootstuff out of your brain and
replace it with other stuff In away that you don't know that
you're being manipulated.
That's the scary part.
Um, this is one of the I thinkthat one of the darkest things
that ai has brought to thisplanet.
Honestly, because the issue offree speech in any revolution,

(01:41:12):
the destruction of it, alwaysprecedes the killing.
In the Bolshevik Revolution inGermany, cambodia, mozambique,
rhodesia, you name it, anycountry who's undergone a
revolution.
In that sense, free speech isthe first thing to die because

(01:41:36):
they can't tolerate word gettingout to expose their evil deeds.
So we have this attack, anunbelievable attack on free
speech.
Now, this is all this is.
In every global conference inthe last year, this has been the

(01:41:58):
major topic on the docket Freespeech.
Well, they don't call it freespeech, but they call it how
they're going to attack themisinformation and the
disinformation and themalinformation, etc.
I said at the beginning of 2024that this is going to be the

(01:42:19):
year that free speech diesbecause of these attacks.
I hope I'm wrong.
I don't want to be right.
I hope I'm wrong.
I don't want to be right, butat this point in history it
looks like they're well on theirway to either killing free
speech in the first place ormuddying the waters so much that

(01:42:42):
people will not be able to tellwhich way's up anymore.
There'll be no.
In other words, they're goingto lose touch with reality
altogether.
So this is a perilous thingthat we hopefully we can deal
with a little bit.
I'm doing a teaching on Thursdaynight about propaganda and how

(01:43:07):
to understand when propaganda ispresented to you.
That may not be enough, but youknow this is the first thing
that we can do.
That because we can't doanything about the machine
that's being leveled against us.
All these cannons are pointingat us right now.
We can't do anything about thatper se, but we can change our

(01:43:31):
behavior, how we respond to it.
That's my point.
And otherwise, you know that'skind of discouraging news on one
hand, but these people are deadserious about just killing free
speech altogether and in factthey're even doing it in England
together, and in fact they'reeven doing it in, uh, in england

(01:43:55):
, egregiously, egregiously.
Now, uh, people are in jail forfor posting things on social
media that you and I wouldn'tthink anything about posting
over here.
People getting hard prison timefor it and you're like what?
This is the United, you know,the United Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Well, some British police have said that they
they'll charge us, yes, with acrime of posting something on
the internet and then they'll goseek to extradite us to the UK
for trial and, and I would say,normally you don't need to worry
about that, but if a certainperson, persons, get elected in

(01:44:40):
this next election, I would notput that beyond the realm of
possibility.
By the way, you can follow MarkSutherland on Rumble Rumble, I
think he's on YouTube too.
He keeps getting booted off ofpossibility.
By the way, you can follow MarkSutherland on Rumble.
I think he's on YouTube too.
He keeps getting booted off ofthere.
Patrick, didn't you dosomething with him just recently
?
I did just recently we did, weboth did, as a matter of fact,

(01:45:00):
in the UK, so follow him.
He's done a lot of work on this, but it's a very troubling
thing.
Britt, do you have any thoughts?
Yeah, I was going to say.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
That's an important point to make, because this
attack on free speech, it'sbeing exported across borders.
So, as you mentioned, whenpeople, some people, when they
hear that they'll self-censorout of concern that they might
be extradited for their socialmedia posts and we've seen in
Europe a lot of the politiciansin the United States that are

(01:45:30):
blocked from destroying freespeech by the First Amendment
they're turning to theircolleagues in the European Union
.
They have something called theDigital Services Act and they're
using the parameters of that totry to control free speech in
other countries in the world,including the United States.
So we saw an example where ElonMusk interviewed Donald Trump

(01:45:53):
on the X platform and hereceived a direct threat ahead
of time from one of the EUcommissioners, thierry Breton,
who's since resigned, but he'lljust be replaced by a new person
who feels the same way andtrying to silence and threaten

(01:46:13):
to destroy Elon Musk for doingthat destroy the X platform by
levying a fine that's 7% oftheir global revenues.
We see the same thing in Brazil, with the threats they're
making against Elon Musk and X.
We've seen not just KamalaHarris and Tim Walz and Hillary

(01:46:33):
Clinton, john Kerry all thesepeople coming out against free
speech.
Robert Reich, who was a laborsecretary in the Clinton
administration, came out andoutright called for.
Here's what we need to do toElon Musk, including arresting
him all over this free speechissue.
And then we see corporateAmerica as well, and how they're

(01:46:55):
allowing themselves to becensored by other countries.
So we've seen this in the yearsleading up to now with Apple,
amazon, netflix, disney.
All these corporations havebeen told by Saudi Arabia, china
and these other nations you'renot going to put that
programming in our nation, andthese US corporations have

(01:47:20):
complied with that.
So we're seeing a lot ofself-censorship as a result of
the attacks on free speech inother countries, and so it shows
how globally this can beexported to the entire world.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Yeah, I mean China was the first example of a major
corporation succumbing toChinese pressure that if you're
going to let if we're going tolet Google, you know be a thing
inside of China to reach our onepoint, whatever billion people,
then you have to obey ourmandates.

(01:47:56):
And that was the beginning thatI saw of where a corporation
had to basically have a fork interms of what they do for the
rest of the world.
And then there's a specific usecase they did for China, and I
think that that was a precedentthat was very negative, you know

(01:48:19):
, from a tech point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
That video that I just put in the chat stream here
is of John Kerry.
It's about a two-minute video.
You might want to look at it orput it up, but John Kerry, he's
an official spokesman of ourcountry for sure, ambassador of
Mucky Muck, member of Skull andBones as well, but his take on

(01:48:47):
misinformation is stunning, tosay the least.
Just stunning.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Yeah, I could.
Actually, I've been trying toget that in my update the last
two weeks and I keep.
It's like I feel like I'mintruding too long on people's
lives as it is and so I'veskipped that and so I probably
will do it this week.
Uh, he, he did it in a worldeconomic forum thing a couple of

(01:49:14):
weeks ago.
Yeah, and he, and what did hesay?
I think I don't think I have ittoo inaccurate, because I've
listened to the.
It's stunning, it's shockingthat.
Oh yeah, we, we have problemwith misinformation and we're
kind of hamstrung in the UnitedStates by this First Amendment
thing that we'd like to getaround and get rid of.

(01:49:34):
And then Hillary, she says thesame thing we ought to arrest
people when they post stuff thatwe think is hate speech.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Harris just said the same thing recently.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Well, and then the other question I want for you
guys maybe you can help, becausethis goes to the technology
thing how do you tell what'strue anymore?
Do you understand what I'msaying?
I saw a video of Elon Musksaying some shocking things, and
I'm not a huge fan of Elon, butI was 100 percent sure that

(01:50:11):
what this video said was it wasai generated and you it's hard
to tell the truth, or tellwhat's true and what's not,
because then the next thing Isaw was a video of kamala Harris
dissing on Columbus Day, orIndigenous People's Day,

(01:50:34):
whatever we call it now.
And then my first reaction wasI'm pretty sure she said that it
was actually a year ago, butit's getting very difficult for
people to tell what the truth isand this is a thing in the

(01:50:55):
church too, I think.
And I mean, how do we deal withthis?
I know we pray for protectionof the Holy Spirit, but these
things are getting very good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
So I don't know that we can defend it.
You know against it.
I think we've also been sharingin this series here that we are
responsible for our ownreactions to it, and I liken
this, john, in terms of baiting.

(01:51:29):
If you take a look at theconcept of the Antichrist
bringing order out of chaos,then you've got to have a lot of
chaos.
You have to pit people againsteach other.
You have to have all this noisein the system and they're
exceedingly good at doing that.
Have all this noise in thesystem, and they're exceedingly

(01:51:52):
good at doing that.
So I think, as we see realitybeginning to bend and you don't
know what is happening anymore,necessarily, authoritatively at
least then I think that we haveto be guarded about not reacting
to something that could becompletely false.
And you know it's not a time tobe picking fights with each

(01:52:14):
other in chats and comments andreplies.
We should realize that you knowwe're, you know that the we
have a hostile communicationsystem out there and we need to
be reserved in terms of what dowe say, how do we react, and
always try to encourage andsupport.

(01:52:35):
I would say especiallyencourage.
If you have to correct, do itin love.
But I think that there's a lotof people that are just
absolutely out of control.
They're sucked into the dramaand they are, you know, pursuing
distractions to some degree,because really the enemy isn't

(01:52:58):
us against each other,especially in the church, it's,
let's be sure, we're majoring onthe majors and we're majoring
on the things that we need to doto further the gospel right now
, and a lot of the otherdistractions thereof, you know,
should be falling away almostlike water coming off the back
of a duck.

(01:53:18):
So we have to make decisionsabout.
I'm not going to be baited bythat.
That's an act of the will tosay that and to take authority
over deception to the best ofour ability and not to hang out
on extreme fringy type thingsthat we're hanging our hat on.
I've certainly not.
You know.

(01:53:40):
I struggled to see all thetruth and everything too, but
what I can control is to controlis to measure twice cut once.
You know the old proverb aboutthat.
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
Brett, what do you think about that?
Yeah, I mean, I think we shouldbe in the Bible, we should be
in the word, because that's thesource of truth that we can rely
on and that we should bebuilding things on.
But we're not going to be ableto guard 100% against some of
these deceptions that might comeat us through the media.
We can know if it contradictsthe word of God, that it's
untrue and, as you said, we needto be displaying the fruits of

(01:54:26):
the spirit.
We need to have patience and beslow to react to these,
investigate things before weperpetuate them.
Right, whether it's sharingthings, because and we saw some
of this with Hurricane Heleneand there were some pictures
going around that one of themthe moment I saw it, I began to

(01:54:49):
cry.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Looking at this picture, and then immediately
I'm looking at there's a littlegirl in a canoe holding a puppy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
And then I'll start looking at the comments and
they're like this is AIgenerated.
And then, when you look at itcloser, you can tell well,
there's rain on the water in thebackground, but not on her
there's.
You know, there was a number ofways that you could tell that,
but it just shows that thoseimages are only going to get
much more sophisticated.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
And we really need to investigate because yeah, and I
I'd encourage people to justyou know before you forward it
on pause, you know, cause therewas a lot of stuff, stuff going
around about helene, about alithium mine, and it took
literally folks it takes 25seconds to find out that the

(01:55:40):
lithium mine.
There were all kinds of I wouldcall them the jew hating,
rightating right like Stu Petersand Health Ranger Mike Adams,
you know, and some of the stuffthey say stuff that we like and
agree with.
But on this they said that youknow, the lithium mine is right
under Asheville, north Carolina,and that's why the storm

(01:56:04):
happened there.
But the mine's 95 miles away.
I don't know on what planet.
That's right under Asheville,but it got.
I talked to a friend inAsheville.
She said well, we have a lot ofcrazy people.
It might be a good idea to havea lithium mine here so they
could self-medicate and get ridof some of their their bipolar

(01:56:26):
symptoms.
But anyway, just I would justencourage people to investigate
these things before you pass iton.
And and because I know that itgoes along with you know what I
do.
I get a lot of stuff frompeople, you know I mean, and

(01:56:48):
sometimes I'll get 200 thingsfrom one person in a day, you
know, and it's like, how do I?
I don't have time to look at it, let alone keep up with what
I'm trying to research.
So think a little bit beforeyou just pass things on, I guess
is the best way.
So look, we're at about the twohour mark, so I'll give a

(01:57:08):
closing remarks.
I'll give about a minute toeach one of you and we'll take
this up again in another four tosix weeks or so.
I'm sure the guys will be upfor doing another one.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
So let's start with we'll do Britt, then Scott, then
Patrick.
Let's say whenever we doanything like this, I don't want
to assume that the people inthe audience know Jesus.
So if that's you and you'rewatching this, you stumbled
across this video, you'reinterested and you don't know
Christ.
I want you to think about youreternity and the most important

(01:57:48):
thing you can do is have arelationship with Jesus Christ.
The Bible says we're all sinners.
It just means we've fallenshort of God's mark of
perfection.
And the Bible says the wages ofsin is death.
As a result of our sin, ourdestination is hell.
It's eternal separation fromGod.
But Jesus Christ lived aperfect, sinless life.

(01:58:11):
He went to the cross, he died,he shed his blood for
forgiveness for our sins, hepaid the price, he paid the
penalty for our sin so that wecould be reconciled with God and
spend eternity with him inheaven.
And he rose in victory overdeath.
He's seated at the right handof the Father and preparing a
place for us right now, for allthose who know him.

(01:58:32):
So if you don't know Christ, Iencourage you to invite him into
your life.
Just ask him, reach out to himand say Jesus, I want to know
you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
Scott, you know, I think that boy, we've had a lot
going on today in our show andit's hard to pick any one thing.
But just, I appreciate whatBritt is saying.
How do we process this?
And one of the obvious ones iswe need Christ period.
He's the solution.

(01:59:12):
But I think another aspect ofit is how are we going to finish
?
Well, I think we're closeenough.
We have to be examiningourselves and we need to strive
to be part of the last push.

(01:59:32):
You know, we're on the brink ofeternity and the Bema Seat and
all of these very, verysignificant things that we read
about in the Bible.
That are true.
So it's time to engage and notlet anxiety or fear paralyze us.
So when I look, admittedly Isometimes get freaked out by,

(01:59:59):
like Microsoft recall, wehaven't gotten to that part yet.
Yeah, that'll be next episode.
But when I look at this stuffand start getting anxious about
it, I have to realize wait aminute, this is just another
opportunity for me to be focused.
Now I have another reason and Itry to turn that feeling of

(02:00:20):
fear and anxiety for what weknow is coming and as watchmen
on the wall and Bereans of theBible, we know even what's going
to be happening in the future.
Bible prophecy tells useverything Isaiah 46, 9 and 10.
God wants us to know.
He is the only one that canpredict the future and we need

(02:00:40):
to be part of that process.
So my encouragement is toprocess things the best you can.
Make sure you're in community,make sure you get plugged into a
church, even though they maynot be full-blown eschatology,
but I think their moment ofreality check is going to be
coming when more of thesedominoes begin to fall.
So you want to be involved inreaching out to people and

(02:01:04):
helping the best that you canhelping the best that you can.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
Rick Archer Thanks, patrick.
Patrick Vossensfeldt, there'sonly two kingdoms in view, one
is the kingdom of God and theother is the kingdom of the
world.
There's no purgatory, purgatoryand in the world.
Um, so you're, you're eithergoing to end up with in one or

(02:01:32):
the other.
It's wise today if you see,what's going on in the kingdom
of the world is very, very dark.
Even non-christians canunderstand that concept.
Something's going on is reallyevil out there.
This is the kingdom that wantsto gobble you up and spit you

(02:01:54):
out.
It's going to do a good jobspitting billions of people out.
It's during the tribulation,especially now's the time to
consider the kingdom of God ForChristians.
You know, paul wrote to thePhilippian church.

(02:02:20):
He said let your reasonablenessbe known to everyone.
The Lord is at hand.
Do not be anxious aboutanything, but in everything, by
prayer and supplication, withthanksgiving, make your request
known to God.
Then he caps it with this, andthe peace of God, which

(02:02:48):
surpasses all understanding,will guard your hearts and your
minds.
In Christ Jesus, we're talkinghere about guarding your mind
and your heart.
This is something that God doesin the end, but when you have

(02:03:08):
the peace of God in your life Ido, I know you guys do as well,
but a lot of people don't haveany peace.
Some Christians don't have anypeace in their life at all.
They should reckon what God hasalready done for them, because
he says don't be anxious forthis stuff.
You should be letting me guardyour heart and your mind, and

(02:03:31):
that's ultimately that will bethe thing that carries us
through, rather than beingtotally insane at the end of the
process.
Right, so?
The tale of two kingdoms I thinkthis is the biggest challenge

(02:03:51):
that anybody who does notbelieve in biblical things
whatever, or Christ or NewTestament or anything People,
need to consider.
If I stay in the world that I'min right now, I'm doomed.
I'm doomed for your own right,for your own sin, but you're
you're doomed in this worldbecause this whole world is

(02:04:14):
going going down.
Eventually, it's going to begetting completely obliterated
by the Lord Jesus Christ, and wesee this in the book of
revelation.
For now it's just getting ugly.
That's all I can say.
Uh, the choice should be easyfor christians to make be

(02:04:35):
reconciled to god, like, like wesaid earlier, there's no other
choice right for us right now.
We, we must be reconciled, toreconcile to god, and he
promises then to be to pour thisstuff out on us, things like
guarding our minds and ourhearts so that we don't get
caught up in the melee.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
Yeah, well, look, I always look for opportunities.
I'll just share a story that Isaw this week my friend, charlie
Garrett, pastor of a littletiny church in Sarasota, florida
, and he lives out on Siesta Keythat's got hit by Helene and
got really hit by HurricaneMilton, and you know he puts up

(02:05:24):
these videos.
He puts up look, I don't agreewith everything Charlie teaches.
I'm sure he doesn't agree witheverything my views on
everything, but we're friends.
I've spoken to his church, he'sbeen to our church, we have a
lot of people in our church,they're mutual friends and
everything.
But Charlie got hammered.
I mean, his house was reallybeat up in those two storms.

(02:05:49):
A lot of trash around and someof the people came, the news
media came out.
So you know he'll put up asermon, he'll get a thousand
views.
Well, he put up a video aboutthe hurricane and it's up over a
million Because CNN came outand interviewed him and some
other media and I don't know ifit was CNN.

(02:06:11):
But he said can we talk to you?
And he goes yeah, if I can talkto you when you're done.
So they did the interview andthen he shared the gospel with
them and led them to the Lord.
So redeem the time.
I guess it was, you know, Imean in very bad circumstances,

(02:06:34):
standing in water and all thisstuff and heat and everything.
So God uses these circumstancesin a great way.
So, anyway, look, everyonelinks to everybody's websites,
social media.
To the extent that I know, itare um in the show notes below.

(02:06:54):
Appreciate it If you wouldshare, like, subscribe, whatever
.
Also on Brits channel, ifyou're listening on Brits
channel, and we'll try to dothis again in a month or so Uh,
hope you find something of useand we just thank you so much
for joining us tonight andtaking the time out to join us.
It is really humbling andgreatly appreciated.

(02:07:17):
So, guys, I'm going to saygoodbye to you on the other side
, so I'm going to end the livestream night.
Good night everybody.

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