Is it About to go Nuclear in Israel - Pastors Round Tabel

With news out of the Middle East and tensions rising with Israel, Pastors Tom Hughes, Bill Salus, and John Haller give us up-to-date news on a multi-front war effort with southern and northern borders.

Can peace indeed be achieved in the turbulent Middle East? Join us on "Hope for Our Times" as we unpack this question with bible teachers John Haller and Bill Salus. We dive deep into the escalating tensions in Israel, especially in Judea and Samaria, and explore these conflicts' historical and prophetic dimensions. 

Bill offers a biblical perspective, referencing [Jeremiah 12:14-17], and discusses God's peace plan, which involves addressing ancient hostilities and returning displaced populations to their lands. We explore the divine judgment and compassion embedded in these prophecies, providing a profound understanding of the current geopolitical landscape.

Our conversation then turns to the historical re-establishment of Arab states and Israel post-Ottoman Empire. Was the creation of Israel in 1948 merely a political move or an act of divine intervention? 

We analyze biblical prophecies intertwined with these events, highlighting the importance of Israel's adherence to divine expectations amidst fragile peace agreements with its neighbors. The theological implications of these developments are immense, shedding light on the prophetic undercurrents influencing present-day Middle East politics.

Finally, we tackle Israel's military and geopolitical challenges, particularly from Hezbollah and the broader prophetic landscape suggested by Psalm 83. We invite listeners to grasp the prophetic significance of unfolding events by discussing the future destruction of Damascus and Edom, the potential role of the Israeli Defense Forces, and the impact of modern-day conflicts on biblical prophecies. 

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Episode Transcript

Tom Hughes (01:13):
you.
Thank you, welcome everybody.
Welcome everybody to Hope forOur Times.
Listen, we have a specialprogram for you today.
I'm here with my two guests,john Howler and Bill Salus, and

(01:37):
we have a lot to talk about.
A lot of things are going onover in Israel, but we're going
to connect some biblical dotsand that's going to be a great
conversation, that we're goingto connect some biblical dots
and that's going to be a greatconversation that we have.
So thank you for joining me,you guys Good to be, here.

Bill Salus (01:51):
It's great An hour away.
I always love driving out here.

Tom Hughes (01:55):
It's nice to have and John's, here in town A whole
country away.
John's a whole country away,except you were in Temecula with
me the other night.
That's right, yeah, last night,and now you're still here, so
we're in studio together andthis is great.
And having both of you at thesame time I don't think I've
ever done that before.

John Haller (02:13):
We actually did.
At 412 Church, we did both ofyou About six years ago.
Yep, Really, yeah, I wore my.
I see Bill has his Hawaiianshirt on today.
I have a Tommy Bahama shirt andI wore it that night, so I
didn't even think to bring itthis time.

Bill Salus (02:26):
So obviously we did not coordinate this.

John Haller (02:29):
We did not coordinate, and I don't have
mine on.

Tom Hughes (02:32):
So hey, so let's get going.
We have a lot to talk about.
There was the Allenby crossingterrorist attack the other day.
There's another terror attackin one of the tunnels.
It didn't go well.
It was a lady.
It didn't go well.
She was caught.
Nobody was killed in that one.
But we see these differentthings happening.
There's huge problems in Judeaand Samaria, aka West Bank.

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Everybody, bill, as we look atthings developing and
everything's on edge.
We obviously have Hamas andHezbollah and all these
pressures coming from Israel.
Everywhere they're losing thepropaganda war.
I want to hear from both of youguys things you agree on,
things you don't agree on, but Iwant to help everybody to

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understand the dynamics of whatwe're looking at, based on the
Bible, and where we see this allgoing.
So you ready to roll?

John Haller (03:25):
I am John.
I think we can fill up a fewminutes here.
I know you can.

Tom Hughes (03:30):
Yes, you can.
Okay, Bill, what do you seecoming?

Bill Salus (03:34):
Well, I'd like to kind of take an overview of
God's peace plan for the MiddleEast and how the Arabs are out
of compliance.
And if we turn our attention toJeremiah, chapter 12, verses 14
through 17, we have some slidesprepared.
If we can go to God's PeacePlan, part one, jeremiah,
chapter 12.
And we're told there that andJeremiah writes this about 2,500
years ago God knew that when hebrought the Jews back into the

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land, out of the nations of theworld, there would be resistance
by the evil neighbors aroundthere, the Arabs that have
harbored an ancient hatred ofIsrael From time immemorial.
That hatred never went away andgot under the umbrella of Islam
.
So God knew this would be thecase.
He knows the end from thebeginning.
He says Thus says the Lordagainst my evil neighbors who

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touch the inheritance which Ihave caused my people, israel,
to inherit, behold, I will pluckthem out of their land and
pluck out the house of Judahfrom among them.
And it shall be after I haveplucked them out that I will
return and have compassion onthem and bring them back,
everyone to his heritage andeveryone to his land.
So part one of this plan isvery compassionate.
Notice he's calling theneighborhood evil neighbors In

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forceful language.
He's going to have to pluckthem out and take them back into
their lands Because of courseduring the diaspora a lot of
them had gone into Israel andhomesteaded in there, etc.
He also says I will pluck outthe house of Judah, the Jews,
out from those Arab lands andbring them back Forceful
language they're not going tovoluntarily go necessarily and
have compassion on them andbring each one back to their own

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heritage and the cultures andtheir land.
So we have another slide thatshows who the evil neighbors are
and this is a modern day.
Look at their names on the map.
You got Lebanon, whereHezbollah is, syria, iraq, of
course.
You got Shia militias in Iraqfrom Iran, so you got proxies in
Syria, iraq of Iran, hezbollah.

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You got Hamas down in thePhilistia, jordan, palestinians,
saudi Arabia and Egypt, ofcourse.
These are the populations thatcame against Israel in 1948 in
the Arab-Israeli War.
So God says I'm going to goahead and put you guys back in
your lands.
He had to make a majorsovereign move to do that
because the Ottoman Empirecontrolled the Middle East from

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1517 to 1917.
So the Ottoman Empire getsdefeated in World War I and we
see this, god's starting toprepare the lands, giving the
Arabs their statehoods again.
We have an image there.
Can we show when the Arabstates got their reopenings
again?
We got Egypt in 1922, saudiArabia you see the map up there
1932, lebanon 1943, syria andJordan 1946, and then along

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comes Israel in 1948.
So we see that God did thissovereign act.
This was not the United Nations, this was God.
Putting these places together,getting the Ottoman Empire out
of the way, freeing up the landso that he could fulfill part
one of his plan.
So a very compassionate plan.
And we're going to find outwhat all God is going to ask for
.
Doing all that for themsovereignly is in part two.

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Can we go to part two on theslide?
And so it shall be that if theylearn carefully the ways of my
people to swear by my name, asthe Lord lives, as they taught
my people to swear by Baal, thenthey shall be established in
the midst of my people.
But if they do not obey, I willutterly pluck up and destroy
that nation, says the Lord.

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So all he's basically sayingfor all that he's going to do
for not just the Jews but theArabs as well, bring them back
into their lands, reinstatetheir states.
They just need to swear by hisname, not by Allah, which is
what they swear by, not with thesame zeal that they used to
teach the Jews and Jeremiah'stime to swear by bail.
Remember back then they weresacrificing their children to

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bail at that point.
So we're not saying sacrifice.
Your children were saying, withthat zeal though you know,
worship Jehovah, the Bible, notall of the Quran, and they're
out of compliance.
They will not and they do notand they never haven't 1948, so
we don't expect a change there.
As a matter of fact, they wantto wipe Israel off the map.

John Haller (07:29):
Are you talking about the Arabs now?
Yeah, the evil neighbors.
Evil neighbors, okay.
Because, of what they worship.
So can we say that today, intoday's terms, the evil
neighbors worship Islam?

Bill Salus (07:42):
follow Islam.
Yeah, they don't swear by theLord like they should, according
to God's desire for that.

John Haller (07:48):
Okay so, then, how do we separate out the fact that
Israel's really not fully onboard with everything yet,
although there's, as we talkedlast night, there's a big
awakening among them?

Tom Hughes (07:58):
Yeah, there's awakening and I totally agree,
john.
I look at it with Israel.
Israel's been in rebellionsince I mean you go back to the
time of Solomon.
Has Israel ever not been inrebellion?
Babylon comes in I mean theyhad a couple of good kings in
Judah but then you go to theGreek empire.
You got the Persian empire,greek empire, the Roman empire.

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Israel's still back in the land, but they don't have a new
heart yet.

John Haller (08:23):
Well, you know, you can look at it historically,
the way Israel's come back intothe land and actually ruled and
governed themselves.
You had the time of David andSolomon, which was 70, 80 years,
then you had some time aroundthe Maccabees and now you've had
75, 76 years since 1948.

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And that's really the only timethat they've had.
They've only had little shortsnippets and they've rebelled a
lot, although sometimes I thinkwe're too hard on the Jewish
people.
It's sort of like, well, we'renot really any that much better,
you know.
But so, and I know that what wesaw in 48 was we saw all the
Jews brought back out of theseArab countries back to Israel.

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Because, I mean, you look atthe charts I've used them many
times they went from tens tohundreds of thousands of Jews in
these countries and now there'slike 12 in some of them, you
know, maybe 12 old jews stillliving.
So we see that coming.
So so I just want to make sureI understand where bill's coming

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from.
So the evil neighbors areworshiping a false god, but it
doesn't, because some of thesecountries have peace agreements
right now with israel is.
Does that factor in?

Bill Salus (09:43):
they're going to go bye-bye.
I can tell you where that's inScripture with Jordan and Egypt.
But to answer your question,john, contextually, we're not
talking about Israel per se.
We're talking about the evilneighbors.
For all that God's going to dosovereignly for them, putting
them back into their lands,going to have compassion on them
he's willing to do that andtheir heritages.
He just wants him to swear byhis name and if not, they will

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be utterly fucked up anddestroyed.
That's very powerful.
God's going to destroy thosenations.
That's what he's saying thereand we looked at who they are
and that evil neighbor grouparound about.
They show up all over the place.
They show up in ezekiel 28,zechariah 12, psalm 83 and just
a whole bunch of otherprophecies.
Time permitting, I can tell youI believe the features of

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Jordan and Egypt scripturallywill go by the wayside.
They're fragile.
I don't know if you want tojump there now, if we want to
keep up the flow or what we wantto do.

John Haller (10:37):
John, I'm sure you're ready.
So let's go where I started,because I kind of jumped off
track early on.
So let's go where I started,because I kind of jumped off
track early on.
So I'm increasingly of the viewthat Psalm 83 describes 10
people groups around Israel.
So you've got Gabal, you've gotTireside, and Tireside clearly

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is Lebanon, there's no doubtabout that, particularly
southern Lebanon, which is whereHezbollah is most powerful.
It talks about Assyria, which Iwould equate to Iraq.
I think that's controversial.
Some would put it in northernLebanon.
Also, there's some indicationwith some of the scholars that

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it might be like down for SaudiArabia.
But I do think they all come.
My personal view is they allcome together in this peace
agreement.
But it says in Psalm 83 thatthey're conniving.
Let's make Israel not a nation,and so we have this interesting
dynamic that's going on thatI'm not sure we really

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understood or saw coming.
It's like a lot of things inBible prophecy like the last
five years, that a lot of thingsin Bible prophecy like the last
five years, that a lot ofthings have been thrown at us
that we maybe didn't see coming.
So I know you said you disagreewith that, but we know that
there's something coming.
I mean, we know the AbrahamAccords are a big deal.
We know that Saudi Arabia wantsto enter into the big Abraham

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Accords.
Friday Jerusalem Post publishedtheir weekly magazine.
The title of the front cover ofthat magazine I should have
brought a copy of it said Peaceis Inevitable.
That was the title of it and itwas just kind of interesting
the timing of all of that withall the things that are going on

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.
Kind of interesting the timingof all of that with all the
things that are going on.
So they had a bunch of scholars.
You know that two years agoSaudi Arabia sort of let leak
through Al-Arabiya and then theWall Street Journal, of all
people, picked it up and said,hey, there's a Jordanian option
for peace.
It looks a lot like the Trumppeace plan.
Look, I don't think it's viablebecause it wants Israel to give
away the West Bank, the heartof Israel, the mountains of

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Israel, which are the watershed.
I think it's a crazy, nuttyidea, but it seems like all the
leaders of the world believe it,except maybe the Israeli
leaders.

Tom Hughes (12:57):
Well, there's something you said.
It was a while back.
We were doing a podcasttogether and I think it is so
telling because the reality ofit is, with all the pressure on
Israel right now, they've gotall the propaganda, they're
losing the propaganda war.
They can't win it.
It's apart from programs likethis.
They ain't going to happen.
And then you've got the constantthreat of anti-Semitism all

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over the Western world, and thenthe war's going on in Israel,
extremism all over the Westernworld, and then the wars going
on in Israel.
Israel's in this position ofgoing to a place where it'll be
peace.
We just want peace, and you cansee them being set up for that.
I mean, who wouldn't want peaceif someone or something came
along and said, hey, we canguarantee it for whatever we can

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talk about Psalm 83, ezekiel 38, or Daniel 9.
We can look at thosedifferently or whatever we want
to do, but Israel's.
If you're Jewish, especiallyIsraeli Jew, I'm thinking you
would be saying I just want tobe able to rest at night, I want
to know my kids are going togrow up, and so that is
definitely developing in thehearts and minds of people

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Answer a question for me whendid the tunnel attack?

John Haller (14:09):
they stopped the terrorists today.
Where did that occur?

Tom Hughes (14:11):
exactly.
You know what I will.
I'll tell you what I'll look itup.

John Haller (14:16):
Because this, when we talked about this last night,
there's this growing unrest inthe West Bank, Judea and Samaria
.

Tom Hughes (14:27):
It was in the Judea and Samaria area.

John Haller (14:29):
And they found tunnels there too.
And Iran has been arming thesepeople like crazy and they
complain about the Philadelphiaquarter, but they're not keeping
the arms out of Judea andSamaria and so now they're doing
the biggest operations they'veever done in the Palestinian
areas against us.
But you know, this is whattroubles me is, you know, we've

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been there.
But I have Jewish friendswho've lived and been born in
Israel, who've never been tosome of these biblical sites
within Judea and Samaria becauseit's not safe to go.
Our friend that we talked aboutlast night, he said you know,
first time I've ever lived here,I don't think I'll go with
there, I'll ever go to thoseplaces again, because it's not
safe.

Tom Hughes (15:11):
And, by the way, I do want to mention this.
So we have a trip coming up toIsrael in March and, just for
the record, we don't go to thewar zones Everybody.
We go to the places.
We'll be in Jerusalem.
It's going to be a fantastictrip, but I wish I could take

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everybody to Shechem.
I wish I could take them tothese places.
Shiloh, we might be able to getto Shiloh, that would be still
be able to do that one.
Bethlehem is a little bit morechallenging, but most groups we
don't take to Bethlehem anyways,but it's going to be a great
trip.
You can join us, it is.
It is coming up in March.
We don't take you to, we don'ttake you to the war zones
everybody.
Just so you know it's going tobe a great time.
Okay, back to you so.

John Haller (15:53):
So anyway.
So back to this.
You know, tell me what youthink about this Psalm 83
alliance which which appears tobe forming, and, and I will just
add, so I think Israel is goingto prevail in these wars.
But they have a very difficultsituation in Lebanon.
Hezbollah is embedded, hundredsof miles of tunnels drilled

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through bedrock they have.
Hezbollah is the fourth mostpowerful missile country on
planet Earth right now.
If you just term number ofmissiles on planet Earth
Hespelaz, number four or five,and then you have the
convergence on top of that ofthis drone technology that's

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being developed everywhere.
I mean Ukraine.
I get in trouble every time Isay this Ukraine's doing is
causing Russia a lot ofheadaches, and they're
outnumbered five to one at least, and they've hung in there for
two and a half years now.
They've gotten a lot of fundingand stuff from the West, but
they've developed a tremendousamount of drone technology that

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can be done cheaply and it cankind of overwhelm the finances
of the enemy.
So you have the missiles andthe drones and it's hard for
Hezbollah to launch all themissiles at once because it
takes one launcher for onemissile and Israel will find out
where those are and destroythem.
But the tunnel system insouthern Lebanon, which I'm told

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by people at Alma Research andelsewhere, goes all the way to
Beirut and I don't know howIsrael prevails other than
turning southern Lebanon intosomething that looks like Gaza
today, totally flattened anddestroyed, just annihilated.

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So my question is but after theydo that, there will be people
left up there that may make apeace agreement with Israel.
That's what I'm saying.
That's where I think Tyre andSidon come in only after a big
war and a defeat.
So go ahead.
You have the floor now for oneminute.

Bill Salus (17:58):
You speak about a peace agreement involving the
Arabs and the Jews and where youfind that involving the Arabs
and the Jews.

John Haller (18:05):
And where do you find that?
Well, I think it's implied inPsalm 83.
It's implied because it's.
Do I have a specific text thatit says that?
No, but I have the reality ofthe world that I'm seeing at,
where the facts on the groundare, and the Jerusalem Post,
friday, publishing a whole theirtheir cover big story article

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Peace with Saudi Arabia isInevitable.
One week, ten days beforeOctober 7th, mohammed bin Salman
does an interview with BrettBarrett Fox.
Two or three days later,benjamin Netanyahu stands in the
well of the UN General Assemblyand says we are at a pivot
point of history.
We will have peace.
You will be amazed.

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Now, of course, life intruded,but I'm seeing the way that this
is kind of coming together andthat's just sort of how I'm
seeing it.
So do I have a specific text?
No, but I think that.
Look, I was in Israel a yearand a half ago, or well, about
10 months before October 7th,and I told people, I told Jewish

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friends, be careful with theseAbrahamic courts, because that's
all they were talking about.
Oh, how wonderful this.
I said it could be a trap,because the people you're making
it with are described in Psalm83, and they're still around as
conniving and in a conspiracy.

Bill Salus (19:27):
So now you can go ahead, okay so let's just talk
about what you think is impliedin Psalm 83 for a minute,
because I don't see thatanywhere.
This is a group of Confederatenations.
We saw them on the map with theevil neighbors map.
As a matter of fact, if you'vegot that image back there, put
that evil neighbors map up, orthat picking buyer map up again.
Okay, these are the populationsan inner circle of countries

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surrounding Israel that arelisted in Psalm 83.

John Haller (19:53):
Okay, but you're saying evil neighbors in terms
of how they relate to God, notnecessarily as to how they feel
about Israel.

Bill Salus (20:02):
Well, both God's looking at evil neighbors to
Israel.
Remember Jeremiah 12, that hewanted them to dwell peacefully
in the midst of his people.
He wanted the Jewish state andthe Arab states to have
normalized relations.
That was his plan.
Establish them, pluck them out,put them in that they could
dwell in the midst of his people, the Jews.
But they're not complying andthey're going to be utterly
plucked up and destroyed asnations.

John Haller (20:25):
I know, I agree, there's like a big fake-out
going on.
Okay, so Jordan has a peaceagreement, egypt has a peace
agreement.
We know that they don't reallyfeel like this.
I mean, look, with the Al-AmbiBridge attack the other day,
what were they doing in Amman,jordan?
They were going around shootingfireworks, passing out candy,
celebrating that three Jews hadbeen killed at the Al-Ambi

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crossing.
So we know that it's a surfacething, but the other part of the
surface thing is they are readyto normalize relations with
Israel on many scales, becauseit's a practical thing, because
they don't like radical Islameither.

Bill Salus (21:00):
Okay, well, let me break some of that down.
Okay, first I want to talkabout why Psalm 83 does not
imply, in my estimation,anything about a peace agreement
.
First of all, these countrieswant to wipe Israel off the map,
that the name of Israel will beremembered no more.
That's Psalm 83, verse 4.
They form a confederacy.
Psalm 83, verse 5.
Asaph, the prophet who wrote onPsalm 83 3,000 years ago.

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He goes through and talks aboutGod petitioning them.
Oh my God, this is pick it up,by the way way.
Verse 12 tells us they want totake for themselves the passions
of god for a possession.
They want the promised land.
They don't want a jewish state,they don't want a two-state
solution.
This is being said there.
And he goes on to say uh, I'lljust skip to the, the bottom

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parts on 83, verses 13 oh my god, make them like the whirling
dust, like chat before the windand fire that burns the woods
and as the flame sets themountains on fire, pursue them
with your tempest and frightenthem with your storm.
For their faces, with shame thatthey may seek your name.
Remember that was the goal.
Worship like they worshipedBaal, oh lord.
Let them be confounded indismay forever.

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Just let them put to shame andperish.
Shame and perish.
Make them perish that they mayknow that you, whose name alone
is the Lord, are the most highover the earth, and that was the
plan.
I'll bring you back in yourlands and swear by my name, as
you taught my children to swearby Baal.
So Asaph is saying you know,make them ashamed, confounded,
confused, use all these images.
He goes on and tells us, inverses 9 through 12, he gives

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the examples Asaph says do withthem like you did with Midian
and Sisera and Jabin at theBrook of Kishon, who became
their refuge on the earth, likeOrban, zeeb, ziba and Zalmunna,
etc.
He's drawing our attention toJudges, chapters 4-8.
At that time, dealing withGideon, for instance, 6-8, 300
man army, god empowered them andthey took out the Midianites

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who had oppressed them for sevenyears 20 years I believe it was
and they destroyed them and theMidianites from top to bottom,
the princes or the kings, zebaand Zalmunna, and the Midianites
never again oppressed them.
So they took out the inventory,the leaders, infantry and the
leaders.
Then the other ones, sassaraand Jabin.

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Jabin was the king of theCanaanites, cicero was his
general.
They oppressed the Jews forseven years.
If it was, I could have theyears around.
Midians may have been sevenMidianites.
Anyway, the Israeli defenseforces, with Deborah the
prophetess, took her generalBarak, and they destroyed the
Canaanites and they neveroppressed the Jews again.
So I don't see anywhere in heretalking about peace.

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I see.
All this is that pretty muchIsraeli Defense Forces are going
to be empowered and they'regoing to cause major devastation
.
By the way, the Israeli DefenseForces exist in fulfillment of
Bible prophecy.
I can show you numerousprophecies.
Let's take a couple right now,real quick.
You talked about Jordan, tomand I.
You and I did this.
If you want to put this up onthe back screen, the prophetic

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documentaries that Tom Hughesand I did, they can find these
on that documentary if you findthe slide.
But what it says here Jeremiah49, verse 2.
And I don't believe you'll beable to find that this has ever
been fulfilled and it says theretherefore, behold, the days are
coming, says the Lord, that Iwill cause to be heard an alarm

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of war in Rabah of the Ammonites, so an alarm of war in Amman,
jordan, that's where that wouldbe the capital of Jordan, and it
shall be a desolate mound andher villages shall be burned
with fire.
Then Israel shall takepossession of its inheritance,
says the Lord.
So we have an unfulfilledprophecy dealing with the
capital of Jordan.
The Israeli defense forces aregoing to make it a desolate
mound.
They're going to move in andtake over the territory.

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They're going to annex northernJordan.
They're also going to annexcentral Jordan at the same time.
And I'll read that one inZephaniah 2, verses 8 through 9.
It says I have heard thereproach.
So Moab is central Jordan,ammon is northern Jordan.
We just talked about them inJeremiah, chapter 49.
Which they have reproachedagainst my people, that would be

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the Jews, and they've madearrogant threats against their
borders, which is taking placesince 1948.
It says the residue of mypeople shall plunder them and
the remnant of my people shallpossess them.
So basically, the IDF willplunder them and the Jews will
annex that territory in northernand central Jordan and they'll
move in it.
And there's more, I can evenshow on that.

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I want to talk about Egypt,isaiah 19, 18.
So first of all, those twoprophecies.
There's no peace treaty inthose.

John Haller (25:22):
Okay, well, can I ask you a question?
Was there anything prophesiedabout a peace treaty with Jordan
, a peace treaty with Egypt oranybody else during this period
of time?

Bill Salus (25:32):
Not that I don't find one Right.

John Haller (25:33):
But it happened.
That's my point is and we knowthey're conniving, we know that
the Islamic methodology to Qiyahis you know, when you're weak,
you make peace with your enemies, and we've seen this happen
time and time and time againthroughout Islamic history.
I just think what I see impliedand listen, I know what happens
.
I'm not saying that this isn'tgoing to happen.

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Israel's going to prevail.
I'm trying to figure out what'show we get there.
Is there more there?
That's implied in the text,Like I told you last night,
implied in the text of Jesussaying hey, pray that your
flight in Matthew 24 isn't onShabbat.
Well, that doesn't make anysense, unless there's a Jewish
state there that recognizesShabbat and has things shut down

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on Shabbat.
That's a great point.
If that had happened during theOttomans, they would say well,
what's the big deal?
We don't recognize Shabbatanyway, we do it on Friday,
that's an excellent observation.

Tom Hughes (26:28):
I also think we know , when it comes to peace plans,
there's going to be certainthings.
Something has to happen for theEzekiel 38 battle to take place
.
Israel has to dwell with peaceand safety.
We know the Daniel 9 peace plan, but there's a whole lot of
things that can happen inbetween now and then that other
types of peace plans can happen.

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Just looking at the AbrahamAccord, the whole push toward it
, which I still don't think isdead, and then that other types
of peace plans can happen.
Just looking at the AbrahamAccord, the whole push toward it
, which I still don't think isdead.

John Haller (26:56):
No, and the Jerusalem Post seems to say that
it's not, mohammed bin Salmansays that it's not, and I think
the king dying will make a bigdifference there, so maybe this
is a way to go about it.
It just occurs to me I reallymiss doing depositions where I
get to grill a witness.

Bill Salus (27:15):
No and no you should .
I think you're right, bill.

John Haller (27:19):
Yeah, we forgot to put your hand on the
bio-referent.
So we talk about I mean, youtalk a lot about the covenant,
the covenant with death and hell.
So who's that with and who arethe players in that?
Because that's really death andhell are identified.
But that's about it, if Iunderstand it.

Bill Salus (27:38):
So we're going to go all the way from left field to
right field.
That's right, that's okay, I'mhere for you guys to talk about
all this stuff.
Angels in the outfield.
Well, you bring up Isaiah 28,verses 15.
Right, okay, and that's anotherproof text.
In my estimation, even writtenbefore Daniel 9 27, there was
more information about the falsecovenant.
We call it a false covenant andI'll explain that why in Isaiah

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28, verses 15.
So Daniel tells us in Daniel 927, there's gonna be a covenant
confirmed by the Antichrist.
You may be may have written it,he may be a part of it, but all
we know is he's confirming it,like Bill Clinton confirmed a
peace treaty between Jordan andEgypt.
I mean Israel, jimmy Carter,egypt, oslo Accords.
Right, right, it's going to befor seven years.

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It's going to be probablyenable the sacrifices.
So it probably has something todo with the implementation of
the temple.
He's given us these importantinformation.
It's with the, the many, but hedoesn't tell us who the many
are.
We know it's going to beviolated in the mid part of the
tribulation.
Those are really importantdetails for seven years.
But who are the signatories?
What is Israel's motivation,etc.

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So we have to turn ourattention to Isaiah 28, 15 for
those details.
You've made a covenant withdeath.
You have an agreement withSheol when the overflowing
scourge comes upon you.
And you make this covenant inlies and falsehood.
So we find out who the many isand we have to put a face on
them.
Who is death and Sheol?
The Hebrew word?
The Greek word would be Hades.

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We find out the other details ofthe second signatory.
They're perpetrating, or havethe ability to stop perpetrating
, an overflowing scourge that'ssweeping through the planet,
that Israel does not want to beovertaken by.
And they do this covenant andit lies in falsehood.
That's why it's a falsecovenant.
They're doing it because it'spolitically expedient, not
because they agree with thedeath and Sheol, whoever they

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are.
So who are they and when doesthis covenant begin?
Death and Sheol, in myestimation.
Okay, I'm known as a star trekeschatologist, but I will
scripturally support this.
Um, that was the name davidreagan gave me years ago on a
magazine.
He put he who dares to go whenno other man has gone before.
Um, but you have right, thereis.

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Uh, if you look, antichristmost of us would teach shows up
in the first seal judgment asthe white horseman.
That's common teaching.
Some disagree, but that'spretty common.

John Haller (29:55):
I probably am less inclined to go with that now,
but I know where you're comingfrom.

Bill Salus (29:59):
But you know, that's what it's traditionally taught
and I adhere to that.
So we have the confirmers onthe scene.
The covenant could begin then.
Israel is on the scene.
They have a relationship withthe Antichrist at that point.
But is the other signatory onthe scene?
I don't think so yet, becausethat's death and Sheol.
And when do they come up on thescene?

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And what is the overflowingscourge that they're
perpetrating?
In my estimation, they show upon the scene under the fourth
horseman death and Hades.
Hades is a Greek word forshield, and they have authority
over a quarter of the earth.
Some people say they're killinga quarter of the earth.

John Haller (30:34):
We agree 100% on that one.
Everybody else is wrong.

Bill Salus (30:38):
They have power over a quarter of the earth or
authority over a quarter of theearth to kill.
They have authority, they cando anything, but they don't kill
.

John Haller (30:45):
They have absolute power.

Tom Hughes (30:46):
They have absolute power.
I know you don't believe theynecessarily means they kill a
quarter of the earth.

Bill Salus (30:52):
But they could, they have the power to, I think, a
quarter of the earth.
They could kill a lot, morethan a quarter of the earth, but
that's what it says there.

Tom Hughes (30:58):
They've given authority over a quarter of the
earth To kill.

Bill Salus (31:01):
And they are killing people.
And who are they killing?
Well, among the dissidents thatdon't agree with whatever
they're perpetrating.
Their counterfeit gospel, in myestimation, are the fifth seal
saints, the very next seal Right, and they're martyred for their
faith and they're asking Godhow much longer until they're
avenged for their deaths.
And I think that's a verytelling question, because I

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believe there's a gap after therapture, before the tribulation,
because it's not the rapturethat starts the tribulation,
it's the covenant we're talkingabout that starts the seven-year
tribulation.

John Haller (31:31):
So, mr Salas, to summarize your testimony here or
you say no, I just I mean.
So I guess my point is we don'treally have the covenant
confirmed with the many.
We have general outline but notspecifics.
We don't know who they are, butnot specifics.

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We don't know who they are, butif you transpose it onto the
seal judgments as part of it,see, my view is these things
unfold over time and theyincrease.
So my view is that court of theearth right now, that's Islamic
.
I mean it fits very well,whether everybody agrees with it
or not, and they would have areason to do that.

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They're weak, they figure well,we'll get strong, and then, if
abomination of desolation takesplace, they're ready.
Now we're ready to go, we'regoing to break that covenant.
That's one interpretation ofthat, and I know that that's not
necessarily traditional.
But I guess my point is wedon't have the specific

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signatories to the covenantidentified.
I think the Oslo Accords.

Bill Salus (32:41):
I think we only know who Devin Hades represents.

John Haller (32:44):
I'll tell you that in a moment.
Okay, well, I want to hear thatbefore I.

Bill Salus (32:49):
First of all, I want to think about the possibility,
john, that if Psalm 83 andEzekiel 38 happen, which involve
primarily Muslim nations exceptRussia and Ezekiel 38, you're
going to lose about 600,000 to800,000 Muslims within Psalm 83
countries and Ezekiel 38countries.
Islam will not be gone, it willbe heavily compromised, but

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these are the hardcore Muslimstaking up before the trip, and I
know you don't think Ezekiel 38is a pre-trib prophecy, but I
do.
I think you might be wrong.

John Haller (33:17):
I know you do too.

Bill Salus (33:18):
But let's assume they are Okay.
All of a sudden, now Islam is.
All is lost.
Is Akbar, his greatness.

John Haller (33:23):
Yeah, my view is that the final defeat of Islam
comes when Jesus returns.
That's the ultimate thing, andI just I don't see.
So I'm looking.
So I'm a pragmatic guy, so I'mlooking.
Let's just take Gaza as themost recent example.
Gaza is destroyed.
Okay, it's Israel's prevailed,but they still have a massive

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problem with these people.
They've killed tens ofthousands, and so I'm just
saying this I don't know ifkilling 500,000 is going to make
that much difference.

Tom Hughes (33:57):
Well, here's the other problem Because of the war
in Gaza.
It's given this inspiration tosome evil people within Judea
and Samaria to jump on boardwith Hamas.
You have 85%, 85, 90, 95.
Board with Hamas.
Would you have 85%?
You said the other day 85, 90,95% support Hamas.
Support Hamas that live inJudea and Samaria, so that and

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the Arabs that live withinIsrael.
Yeah, so outside of Judea andSamaria.

John Haller (34:26):
Correct Within the borders of Israel.
Within the borders of Israel,there's about 2 million Arabs.
Yeah, okay, okay.
Well, that would includeNazareth.

Tom Hughes (34:30):
Correct Within the borders of Israel.
Within the borders of Israel,there's about two million areas.
Yeah, okay, okay, well, thatwould include Nazareth.
That would include all thesedifferent areas, correct?
So what has happened so far inGaza?
It has created this call.
I guess they would probably saythey have.

John Haller (34:46):
It's a recruiting tool.
That's exactly what it is, andso I just think the problem is
much.
You know, I talk to people andI know God's involved in this.
I'm not denying that, but I'mjust sorry.
I'm a pragmatic guy and I'mlooking at it and it's like this
is just this massive problemthat they have with all these
people all around and Hezbollah,and let me phrase it this way.

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So I asked my friends inJerusalem, the security in
Israel, security people okay,everybody wanted to talk about
the day after Gaza, the dayafter Hamas.
I said well, why don't we go tothe day before October 7th?
What should Israel have done?
If they knew, and they reallybelieved, this was going to
happen?
What should Israel have done atthat time?

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Well, they should haveprevented the stuff on October
7th.
I said you're not answering.
If I was in a court you're notyour Honor would you make the
witness answer the question?
Because they're not answeringthe question.
The question is what would youhave done?
And I'm telling you that ifBenjamin Netanyahu and the
defense establishment in Israel,on October 6th, had gone in,
what would they have done?
They would have done whatthey've done since October 7th

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in Gaza.
How do you think the worldwould have reacted to that
without 1,000 or 1,200 or 2,000dead Israelis?
You think that the reaction ofthe world would be less?
Or they would say, oh well,that's OK, because you're
defending it would be many times, it would be exponentially
worse, is my view.
And so now they've done that.

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Now they've got to do Hezbollah.
They've evacuated 80,000 to100,000 people from the north of
Israel.
Hezbollah is shrinking the land.
And I've showed you that poster.
I think I used it at theconference over the weekend.
Tehran Palestinian Square,which is called Philistine

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Square in Farsi and Philistineis also the word in Turkish and,
by the way, philistine meansinvader.
So how would you like to knowthat Palestinians eventually
understand that the term fromthem comes from invaders, not
residents of the land.
But it's a huge problem.
And the poster there in Hebrewsaid are you ready for two

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million displaced people north?
Their goal is to continue toshrink Israel until everybody
gets up and goes away.
Now we know that's not going tohappen, but I'm just trying to
look at the steps from where weget from here to this, as you
guys were just talking aboutlast week.
Ezekiel 38, verse 11 or 12,talks about dwelling in peace

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and security, unwalled fences.
I'll be honest with you I donot see how that happens in
today's world, unless theycompletely destroy everybody
first.
But I'm not sure that it evenworks that way.
I don't either.
Let me do this real quick.
I know we're over time.

Tom Hughes (37:39):
And then I'm going to turn it over to you.
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Israel is really like.
And again, we won't go to thewar areas.
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We're going to explore neatthings.
Go to the Pool of Siloam, Mountof Olives, you see all these
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But if you can join us in March, Okay, Bill, with everything

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John just said, what say you?

Bill Salus (38:43):
All right, so we're going to go from right field
back to left field.
Okay, how do we get from thereto here?
Remember what we opened withthere, that God established
nations and compassion for theArab states so they could go
there, and if they'd serve byhim, that'd be great.
If not, they're going to bedestroyed.
That's what he said.
How is he going to destroy them?

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It's going to be these reallydefense forces.
We have a remember in ezekiel 38, which is a very big deal.
It says israel is in acondition with a dwelling,
securely, tranquilly, withoutwalls, bars, more gates, in the
midst of the land, with a greatplunder and booty, because
that's what russia's coalition'scoming after.
How do they get to thatcondition with the drawing,
securely?
Ezekiel tells us if us, we havea slide, if we can get there,
if you hear me back there, let'sgo to the one that says on the
top no longer will Israel'sscornful neighbors prick and

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tear at her like briars andthorns.
That's Ezekiel 28, verses 24.
Okay, you see it up there.
Okay, here's how the process isgoing to go, with the Israeli
defense forces being empoweredby God.
Those countries that Godestablished and put those in
them plucked them out.
They became a pricking briarand a painful thorn to Israel.

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Rather than swearing by Allah,excuse me, by God, and going
peacefully in the midst of God'speople, the Jews, they have
chosen to become a prickingbriar and a painful thorn.
And it tells us there that theyin Ezekiel 20, verse 24, israel
no longer has these scornfulneighbors, evil neighbors we
talked about in Jeremiah, thatprick and tear at her like

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briars, for then they will knowthat I am the sovereign Lord.
And here's how it's going tohappen.
He goes on to say show who thepricking briar is.
There's a map.
The next slide there's prickingbriar.
Is there's a map?
Next, the next slide there's nolonger be a pricking briar, if
we can get the map up there.
The next slide okay, yeah, okay, that's the nations around
israel.
They've been a pricking briarand a painful thorn.

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Keep that image in mind as wego to the next slide.
Oh, it says israel will dwellsecurely when okay, well, here's
when israel is going to dwellsecurely.
It says Israel will dwellsecurely when Okay, well, here's
when Israel is going to dwellsecurely.
The next verse is 25 through 26.
It says Thus, says the Lord,when I have gathered the house
of Israel, from the peoplesamong whom they are scattered
and have hallowed in them in thesight of the Gentiles.

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Then they shall dwell on theirown land, which I gave to my
servant Jacob, and they willdwell safely there and they will
build homes and plant vineyards.
Yes, they will dwell securely,but when, when I execute
judgments on all those aroundthem who despise them, then they
shall know that I'm the Lord,their God.
So, basically, what we had here, as you looked at that image
before, the very nations thatGod called evil neighbors, that

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he gave their estates to, thathe's going to utterly pluck up
and destroy.
They serve to be like apricking briar and a painful
thorn from God's perspective.
God says in the passage we justread that Israel is supposed to
be a safe, dwelling, homebuilding, vineyard planting
nation, and they will beultimately.
But they are being prevented bydoing that because there's a
painful thorn and a prickingbriar all around them.

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They have turned against God'swill and they're worshiping
Allah and they will be destroyed.
In the Israeli Defense Forcesthey can name every one of those
places and in our propheticdocument they can name every
prophecy that relates to thedestruction in Jordan, the war
with Saudi Arabia.
There's four prophecies ofSaudi Arabia Hezbollah, egypt,
assyria.
Of course we've got thedestruction of Damascus we can

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talk about too.
So I can show and I do in ourdocumentary Tom and in my Psalm
83 book and my Future WarProphecies book I can show all
the related prophecies that showyou how God executes judgment
to these related defense forcesupon those around them who
despise them, that are notenabling Israel to be a safe
dwelling, country, home buildingand vineyard planting.

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Matter of fact, they're startingfires all over.
Hezbollah's weapons arestarting fires all over the
northern part of Israel whenthey send bombs.
They just hit an apartmentrecently with a drone.
There's about 80,000 peopleevacuated out of northern Israel
that can't get back into theirhomes.
Can you imagine that's beenabout 11 months now.
Can you imagine being kickedout of your home 11 months ago

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and not being able to go back toit and not live in it, not
being able to go back to yourbusiness?
That sort of thing?
That's what's going on inIsrael right now.

Tom Hughes (42:55):
We were there in March and met several different
people that had been evacuatedfrom the North and in March they
were talking about how muchthey were.
I mean you could see the stresson them, distress.
They just wanted to go backhome way back in March.
And, by the way, the propheticdocumentary and Bill's books are

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available in the Hope for OurTimes store.
If you want to look at those,get more info.
They're fantastic to reallyeducate you and learn these
things.

John Haller (43:25):
But I mean you've seen it and again you interview
people from Alma Zeritza, haviand the other researchers there,
and you know so.
I asked one.
His name is Avraham Levine.
This was probably four or fivemonths ago.
I asked him, avraham, whathappens if war breaks out with
Hezbollah On a big scale?

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Not this little back and forth,tit for tat, really minor stuff
.
What happens if there's reallywar?
And you know what he said to me.
This is an Orthodox Jewish guy,captain in the IDF reserves,
served in Gaza, actually was inGaza for a while.
He has a son in Gaza now haseight children.

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He lives one mile from theborder, syrian border in the
Golan.
He says if war breaks out withHezbollah, no child will go to
school anywhere in Israel for ayear.
Now we know what's happenedwith the 80,000 that evacuated.
They're now in the point wheretheir kids are starting their

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second year of no school.
This is not sustainable on anylevel, and so I know all these
nations get destroyed.
I'm just like I'm trying to dosome righteous speculation on
the interim steps.
I believe these, that they'redestroyed, but who does it, how
and when?
And I think it's more aroundthe return of the Lord and

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Armageddon and that type ofthing, but there's a huge
buildup of wars in between nowand then as well.

Bill Salus (44:58):
So you make a good point when you ask the question
what would happen if a major warwith Hezbollah broke out?
I'm actually going toparaphrase I don't have the
slide to put up front, but whatthe Israel National News put
forward, a study with that verything in mind, and what they
basically said was that theyexpected in the first phase, the

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first few days, hezbollah wouldlaunch 6,000 missiles a day.
They are preparing fordays-long blackouts, hundreds
dead, thousands wounded.
They've already got triages setup in parking lots, under
hospitals, so they're alreadyset up there in Tel Aviv and in
northern Haifa and places likethat.
It goes on to say in phase twothey'll taper down to about

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2,000 effective missiles pertaper, down to about 2000
effective missiles per day.
2000 effective missiles meaningnot falling indiscriminately in
fields being taken out by theIron Dome, killing civilians,
hitting Tel Aviv as well, as canhit all these places.

John Haller (45:55):
And I can't remember her name now.

Bill Salus (45:56):
Basically, that's what Israel is preparing for
multi-front war casualtiesthousands of missiles coming in
at that level.
Matter of fact, in August of2024, this past month, in the
11-month conflict with Hezbollahin Israel and Hamas in Israel,
the largest amount of missilesflying in from Hezbollah into
Israel was registered in Augustof last month.

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This last month, 1,304 missilescame in in August from
Hezbollah to Israel.
There's been over as of June,there's been over 7,500
cross-border conflicts betweenHezbollah and Israel to the
north.
And that's like you're saying.
That's just phase one.
Phase two is when they startlaunching 6,000 missiles a day,
syria starts coming at them withchemical weapons.

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Probably Iran might even get inthe fray.
Of course, hamas, if they'restill around, will be doing what
they can, et cetera.
She had militias in Iraq, theHouthis, the West Bank explodes.

John Haller (46:49):
The West Bank now is really percolating Right and
the West Bank will literallyexplode.

Bill Salus (46:53):
Yeah, so we're talking about a war of epic
biblical proportion.

Tom Hughes (46:57):
Right, so yeah, with what John just said, you have
the West Bank.
It just explodes.
You have all these terrorgroups.
They're not official, butthey're big.
In fact, I did see a video thismorning of as soon as the IDF
left Janine.
I don't know if you guys sawthat all of these guys were

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dressed like ISIS, basicallycoming out of the houses, out of
the holes in the ground, out ofJenin.

John Haller (47:24):
Can I jump on that just a little this morning?
Remember the Turkish-Americanactivist killed in Nablus the
other day.
She received a military funeralin Nablus today.
Caroline Glick just posted iton her Twitter account.
Gaddy Taub, who we all like andrespect, used to be a man of

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the left.
He posted this morning the guysmarching in full ISIS and
terrorist guild with the blackbalaclavas down the street.
I think it was noblest.
He said okay, how about now,idf?
How about now?
How about you deal with thisnow?
It's not being dealt with andit needs to be, and I know it

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will be, but we're kind ofsitting here trying to figure
out how this plays into thescript, right?

Tom Hughes (48:11):
so this thing is going to get enormously large is
what it looks like.
We do know.
Ultimately, you get into thetribulation period.
Daniel, chapter 12,.
God says "'I will shatter thepower of the holy people'".
It's going to get there, butit's not there yet.
Everything is building andbuilding and building.
The pressure against Israel isunbelievable.
Will it take a nuclear bomb byIsrael?

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What's it gonna take to be ableto stop Iran from funding and
all of these different thingsthat are going on?
And eventually Iran's going topartner with Russia and Turkey
and come against Israel.
So you look at these differentdynamics.
Do you believe Isaiah 17 is afuture prophecy?
Well, I certainly do.

John Haller (48:59):
But that also has with it and I think Bill will
point this out too it's not justthe destruction of Damascus.
It talks about Ephraim, which Ithink would be the northern
part of Israel, it getsdevastated.
And so we all want this to beperfect and Israel and all this
other stuff.
But you know, what I see istremendous pain and suffering.

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And Mary Eisen, who's an IDFreserve she would be called a
centrist in Israel, which meansshe's probably against Netanyahu
which means she's probablyagainst Netanyahu, but she's IDF
security person works at theCounterterrorism Institute at
one of the universities there.
She was on Elon Levy's programa few months ago and she said

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when this war starts, israelwill sustain INSS did a big war
game of it.
They will sustain 200 to 500dead Israelis a day for two
weeks to two months.
Now we need to understand whatthis is.

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We know.
God's involved in this, but wealso need to be pragmatic and
correct.
And it says it will shatter theholy people.
Well, what does that mean?
Does that mean that, oh well,they're going to have some.
You know they're not going tobe able to get milk for a week.
That's not what it means.
You know that we know that.

Bill Salus (50:20):
Okay, so I want to talk about Damascus for a minute
.

John Haller (50:22):
Sure, we've actually got a slide, we'll put
up in a minute.

Bill Salus (50:25):
Before I do that, I want to talk about these Israeli
defense forces for DefenseForces for a moment.
The Israeli Defense Forces wecan pretty much logically deduce
are not going to fight in theTribulation, the first half of
the Tribulation.
So anything we talk about withthe Israeli Defense Forces has
to be either after theTribulation not likely or before
the Tribulation highly likely.
We're seeing their existenceright now.
Why are they not fighting inthe Tribulation?

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Well, in the first half of theTribulation they're feeling
they're at a peace.
Because of the confirmation ofthe false covenant.
They feel they're living in apeace.
It's a pseudo-peace because theAntichrist violates it at the
mid-part of the Trib when hegoes into the Temple and sets up
the abomination of desolation.
At that point Jesus says inMatthew 24, you guys flee
immediately because he knowsZechariah 13.8 is going to

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happen.
When two-thirds of the Jews aregoing to be cut off by the
Antichrist in the land, a thirdwill come through that, the
faithful remnant.
So they're going to be fleeingfor their lives and not fighting
off all these Arab countriesaround them.
So I put all this stuffpre-tribulation.
Will they pull out a nuclearweapon out of the shelf.
It looks like they will inIsaiah 17.
Can you get the slide up therethat talks about Damascus gets

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destroyed?
Okay, three about Damascus getsdestroyed?
Okay, three key verses here.
There's more, hopefully, wecould be able to get into.
But right now we're told thatthe oldest continuously
inhabited city and recordedhistory dates back to the time
of Abraham.
It's the capital of Syria.
Someday, the burden againstDamascus, behold, damascus will
cease from being a city and itwill be a ruinous heap.

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So no, one morning you're goingto wake up.
You'll find out in verse 14,the city's going to be gone.
We're told about who does this?
Some people say the AssyrianEmpire did this in 722 BC.
But Isaiah writes in his 66chapters about Assyria or
Assyrian 41 times and never oncehere.
But he tells us who it is.
In verse 9 it says in that dayhis strong cities, not just

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Damascus, but other strongcities inside of Syria, will be
as a forsaken vow in an evermost branch which they left
because of the children ofIsrael, and there will be
desolation caused by thechildren of Israel.
I would stop right there for aminute and basically say the
other strong cities we find outin Jeremiah, chapter 49, verses
23 through 27, but ancient namesare Hamath and Arpad, and that

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would represent Aleppo, homs andHama.
A matter of fact, today, as Iwas driving here, I read a
headline that Israel just struckin Hama and killed 14 people
and injured 43 more.
Four of them are fatal.
So they're already strikingthese cities.
They struck the Aleppo airport,they've been striking Damascus
airport, etc.

John Haller (52:55):
By the way, I believe the IDF has said that
was a major weapons productionfacility.

Bill Salus (53:01):
They're very strategic in what they're doing,
but it goes on to tell us howthis happens overnight.
It says in verse 14, Behold, ateventide, you see him in
trouble in the morning and he isno more.
This is the portion of thosewho plunder us and the lot of
those who rob us, meaning inself-defense.
Overnight, Israel takes out thecity.
Now Israel has the weaponry todo that overnight.

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A nuclear weapon, an EMP I'm nota physicist here, but basically
if you launch it at burstaltitude 45 miles above a city,
it'll take out the city.
It'll go down, the mushroomcloud will come up, but it will
not suck up all the contaminantmaterials, the dust particles,
which would be a problem forIsrael, because it would then go
over into Tel Aviv or whateverwith wind patterns.
I also think there may be anuclear weapon in Jeremiah,

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chapter 49 too, that we talkedabout, where it says Damascus
and Amman, Jordan, a war of analarm of war in Rabbah, the
Ammonites.
It'll be a desolate mound.
Now it's real close to Damascusand I think that may be nuclear
too.
I don't know for sure.

John Haller (54:03):
Do you think Edom are the Palestinians?

Bill Salus (54:07):
Oh yeah, I agree okay.

John Haller (54:08):
Yeah, isaiah, jeremiah 49,.
Sometimes you don't, always,I'm not saying you don't, but
the end of the chapter says thatEdom will also be an
astonishment.
Everybody who goes by it willbe astonished and will hiss at
its plagues, as in the overthrowof Sodom and Gomorrah.
And it goes down here in theearth shakes at the noise of
their fall, talking about Edom.

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The earth shakes at the noiseof their fall, talking about
Edom.
And then it says at the cry,its noise is heard at the Red
Sea.
That's kind of interesting inlight of because what we're
talking about the Red Sea allthe time.

Bill Salus (54:41):
Well, the Edomites show up in Psalm 83, the very
first member of the 10 memberpopulation coalition as the
tenth of Edom.
They're identified in thehabitation condition Tents would
be in this case, in myestimation, refugee conditions.
They became reality thePalestinian refugees in 1949,
after the war of 1948.

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And we know that that's whatthe Arab countries have been
bantering their plight for.
And you talk about the SaudiArabia, maybe, normalizing
relationships with Israel underthe condition that there'll be a
Palestinian state.
In other words, they're,they're supporting the
Palestinian plight, as is allthe other states because they
don't want them.

John Haller (55:19):
They don't want them, they, they each wouldn't
take ten of them if they couldget away with it.
I mean, I get and I could showyou pictures of the yarmulke
refugee camp and within the citylimits of Damascus that looks
like I would say, look, oh, lookat that.
And everybody said, oh, look atwhat Israel did.
They got.
No, no, that's what Syria andRussia did to the Mook refugee

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camp in Damascus.
It looks the same.
How many protests, how manypeople marched at Columbia
University or Cal what's theplace down here, cal Irvine, or
anything like that about they?
Nobody did, they don't care.
This is about hating on theJews and we Cal what's the place
down here, cal Irvine, oranything like that about?
They know what he did, theydon't care.
This is about hating on theJews and we all know that at our
heart.
But Edom's mentioned I mean,obadiah mentions it, I think

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Ezekiel 35 that talks about thisarrogant, haughty people in the
mountains of Israel that say,hey, it's our land, you're
coming back to our land.
It fits so perfectly with whatwe're seeing today.
And now I need to shut off mymic, probably Because this is so
fascinating to me really.

Bill Salus (56:20):
Well, and you remember when Israel was saying
we're going to go into RafahCrossing and Egypt says don't do
that, we don't want to absorbany of the Palestinian refugees.
Jordan said the same thing wedon't want any Palestinians
coming over there.

John Haller (56:32):
The queen of Jordan is a Palestinian.

Bill Salus (56:37):
Here's an interesting prophecy.
I'm not going to expand upon ittoo much.
I do get into it in my Psalm 83book, dealing with the Edomites
.
Edomites have ethicalrepresentation into the
Palestinians.
There's several ways ofmigration I put forward in my
Psalm 83 book that show how theymade their way from southern
Jordan, ancient Edom, intoHebron and of course that's the
main area for them right now.

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It says this interesting thingin Obadiah 1.7.
All the men in your confederacyand I would say maybe that's
the Psalm 83 confederacy allthese Arabs in your confederacy
dealing with the Edomites,palestinians, they shall force
you to the border.
The men at peace with you shalldeceive you and prevail against
you.
Those who eat your bread shalllay a trap for you and no one is
aware of it.
So if this is possible, itcould be the very thing that

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they're forcing them to theborders the front line of
defense for the Arab states, bean obstacle for Israel.
You can do our dirty work, we'llhave clean hands.
Force you to the border.
We don't want you in ourcountries and it's a trap for
them.
In other words, they thinkthey're going to get a state and
they're not going to get astate.
They're going to be destroyed.
They're just going to take outall these countries.

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Now that's I have to explainwhy I'm going there for that.
But just read that on your ownObadiah 1-7, and see if it does
apply to what we're talkingabout right here.

John Haller (57:52):
Absolutely on board .
I guess one thing I wouldencourage is, you know, I sit
here, I go to these processconcerts too, even when I'm
speaking, and I listen and I seesome things that I'm not sure I
like.
Like, I see people kind ofdumping on the Jews in Israel
going well, they're notbelievers yet.
Well, like, yeah, the church isso perfect.
I think we need to be carefulabout that.

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And then the other thing too isI think is and I will give Bill
a lot of credit for this who'spiecing these things together?
There's also the concept ofdouble fulfillment and
everything that we seem to glossover.
So maybe Isaiah 17 sort ofhappened before, but there's a
double fulfillment of theprophecy.
We need to always factor that,or the prophecy's pattern, Right

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, and there's nothing in thescripture that says, well, this
one's going to be filled sort ofone time and really fulfilled a
second time or third time.
It doesn't give us a clue tothat.
So we need to be aware of allthe scriptures and how they fit
together, and I will give Bill alot of credit for helping sort
of open my eyes to the fact thatthese scriptures are far more
intricate and interrelated, andI don't think we're at the full

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understanding yet that's mypoint of why I'm raising the
question.
It's not because I don't likeBill or love Bill, but it's just
that I think we need to be inthe Word, because we're going to
see a lot of things and we'regoing to say oh yeah, that's
what that was talking about.
That's how that relates.

Tom Hughes (59:29):
In Daniel, chapter 12, where the angel's telling
Daniel the wicked, in that day.
The wicked will see it, theywill not understand, but the
wise will understand.
And the implication all throughDaniel 12 is this growing
knowledge to and fro in the Word.
It's for the people who areliving in that day.
So we will continue, if we'researching the Scriptures, to

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have a progressive revelationabout the things that are taking
place.
We'll have the aha moments go,that's even you were talking
about the other night.

John Haller (01:00:00):
I've heard this Ohio guy talking about Bible
prophecy, and one of thosethings he's talking about is a
future understanding.
Well, there you go.
Oh, never mind.

Tom Hughes (01:00:08):
I shouldn't.
Well, yeah, but I mean, evenwhen we we look at, like we were
talking about the other night,when you start looking at
archaeology, it's amazing.
More and more that's discoveredwith archaeology just proves
the bible's true and all of the.
It really helps to understandthe last day's prophecies
because you can see the old, theold testament come to life, new

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testament come to life and thatin that is the same progressive
revelation, all taking place atthe same time.
It's truly amazing.

John Haller (01:00:36):
It all coincided like with the beginnings of the
collapse of the Ottoman Empirethat Bill talked about earlier.
People were able to get inthere and do archaeology and dig
things up and everything and Ithink, as Joel has said, they
haven't even excavated 1% of thethings that are there.

Tom Hughes (01:00:54):
It's exciting.
I mean, I love going to Israelfor these things and seeing them
and they come to life and youdo have the wow factor
everywhere you go.
I never grew up wanting to bean archaeologist.
Now I get so excited aboutarchaeology.
But all of these things provethe Bible is true.
And regarding the second comingof Christ Bill, we're actually

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over Over.

Bill Salus (01:01:19):
Okay, we're actually over.
I'll let him go by.

Tom Hughes (01:01:23):
But and we need to do this again Next time, john,
you're in town in SouthernCalifornia, we need to do this
again.

John Haller (01:01:28):
We'll be here in November.

Tom Hughes (01:01:30):
We can do it in November.
I feel like we just got startedfor this and we have a lot more
to cover, so we need to do parttwo.
But how can people connect withyou, bill?

Bill Salus (01:01:39):
They can reach me at my website, prophecydepotcom
prophecydepot, like homedepotcom, and you'll see my articles.
We've got a YouTube channel.
Just type in Bill SalusS-A-L-U-S.
You'll find it.
Go there, subscribe, watch allthe videos.

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We post your stuff on as wellstuff we do together and we also
have a prophecyheadlinescom, adaily news paper we put forward
looking at current eventsthrough the prophetic lens.
Prophecyheadlinescom.

John Haller (01:02:08):
And John Fellowship Bible Chapel fbchapelcomcom.
Youtube, fellowship BibleChapel, or my name and Rumble
Real FBC.
We also have an app FellowshipBible Chapel.
I don't have time to manage allthis, so I understand.
We post stuff on the app andthat type of thing.
I don't have a book yet.

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You need a book.
Well, I think I'm thinking of atitle.
My working title is the Daywhen Everyone Agrees With Me, or
something like that, somethinghumble like that.

Tom Hughes (01:02:39):
You should write a book on how I became so humble.

John Haller (01:02:42):
That's right, but they say you should keep it to
like 900 pages, right.
So I'm joking.
But listen, it's an excitingtime to live and all of these
things are like.
You know, I talk aboutconvergence and acceleration all
the time and it's reallyhappening right now.
This is different.

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Just go look at your Twitterfeed.
It's incredible what'shappening.
How is this gal getting amilitary funeral in Nablus, the
seat of this terrorism?
So, anyway, it's an incredibletime to be alive.

Tom Hughes (01:03:20):
It is.
Thank you guys both for joiningme.
It was great.
And we do have our conferencecoming up in November the End of
the World Conference.
This is not the end of theworld, but it is following the
election, the Friday after theelection.
So it's going to seem like theend of the world to a whole lot
of people, but it's going to bea great conference.
So that's going to be at 412Church in Temecula.
Hope that you can all see usthere and we'll do this again in

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November.
It'll be great, or maybe aroundtable before then, if I
prefer to have you in person.
It was great having you inperson.
This is a great setting.
I hope to do a lot more ofthese.

John Haller (01:03:54):
Perfect.

Tom Hughes (01:03:54):
And Bill, you're easy because you're close.
I'm close.
But thank you everybody forjoining us and looking forward
to seeing you tomorrow also, aswe continue with our daily news
updates and we will have our appand website exclusive on
Wednesday, hopeforourtimescom.
So go there too, check it out.
God bless you everybody, theyou you.