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Bill Cooper (00:35):
You.
I'm your host, william Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proudto have as my special guest
today William Morgan, who is oneof the members of the Citizens
Agency for Joint Intelligenceand has been for some time.
Own story what he's been doing,how he's been doing it, what
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kind of information he hascollected for our organization,
for the citizens of this countryand of the world, and we're
going to talk about.
Well, I guess you just have tocall it undercover operation.
This man has been undercoverfor the Citizens Agency for
joint intelligence and Iremember several episodes of the
show before operation.
This man has been undercoverfor the Citizens Agency for
Joint Intelligence and Iremember several episodes of the
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show before.
Sometime, during the series thatwe call the Mystery Schools,
which we've done I believe, 19hours of broadcasting covering
that subject I told you that wehad infiltrated the lodge, the
mystery schools, mystery Babylon.
In fact, we have not onlyinfiltrated it once, but many
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times in this country and inlodges around the world.
So the information that we'regiving you in the mystery
schools is not conjecture.
It does not come from a bunchof people sitting around making
up information.
It comes from the books printedby the mystery schools
themselves.
It comes from our members whoare actually in the lodge and we
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check, double-check, everythingthat they bring to us.
Please welcome to the hour ofthe time, william Morgan.
William Morgan (02:20):
Thank you, bill.
You can call me Will and Ireally appreciate that gracious
and honorable introduction.
Bill Cooper (02:25):
Well, we're
certainly appreciative of
everything that you Bill, youcan call me Will and I really
appreciate that gracious andhonorable introduction.
Well, we're certainlyappreciative of everything that
you've done.
Tell us, will, how long haveyou been associated with the
Mystery School?
William Morgan (02:34):
For over two
years now.
I became a Mason in June of1991.
Bill Cooper (02:39):
And what happened?
I mean, how did you ever evenknow about Freemasonry?
And uh, what happened?
I mean that how did you evereven know about?
William Morgan (02:45):
freemasonry, uh.
At first, before I was uhexposed to your information, I
was under the impression, asmost people are, that they were
philanthropic organizationdealing mostly with charity or
possibly even some wayassociated with unions and uh.
As most caddy members have cometo know, that is entirely not
the case uh, did you havefriends who were Freemasons?
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Yes, I worked with somebody whowas a Freemason, and I've come
to find out that that is usuallythe most common way that a
person is exposed to the craftthe craft as they call it.
Bill Cooper (03:15):
So they call it the
craft amongst themselves.
This is not something that thepublic is normally aware.
What does the craft mean?
What does that term mean?
William Morgan (03:28):
Well, they
consider themselves craftsmen
because they're buildingsomething, and there have been
many organizations throughouthistory, with the incredible
similarities to the presentmodern cult of Freemasonry, that
have called themselves builderscommon scenes.
They've associated withthemselves always with the
erection of a structure or thebuilding of something that
people just do not understand.
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We've come to understand thatwhat they are erecting is the
New World Order, and they'vebeen working on it for thousands
and thousands of years.
Bill Cooper (03:56):
That's correct.
Now, did your friend or friendstry to proselytize you or talk
you into joining the lodge?
William Morgan (04:06):
No, not at all.
I must admit, I did go to themand I was not entirely aware of
the nature of their organizationor of what was in store for me
when I became a member, or abrother as they call it.
Bill Cooper (04:19):
Now, if you had not
joined CAGI, would you still be
sort of in the dark about thetrue meaning of Freemasonry?
Or do the members really learnthe truth about the organization
during their, their period oftime there?
William Morgan (04:34):
had I not joined
CAGI, I would be as as
empty-headed and as trusting asheeple as most of the
Freemasons in America and acrossthe world are today.
They are not taught what thecraft is about.
They do not question authorityat all.
As a rule and from my personalexperience and observation they
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obey the rules without questionand to the letter.
Bill Cooper (04:59):
Now a lot of people
out there are going to wonder
and I know that Freemasons aregoing to bring this up that if
you didn't learn what you nowbelieve that you know about the
mystery schools in the lodge,how do you know that?
What you've learned whileyou've become a CAGI member, how
do you know that that is true?
William Morgan (05:19):
Well, because I
can verify for myself.
I can get up and check thefacts and look and look again to
verify what is going on aboutthe mystery schools.
But for what the Masons claimto be, they have absolutely no
proof or evidence, or even worksof their own hand, to prove
that they are actually involvedin charity work now, when you
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began to study, you werestudying actually from two
sources.
Bill Cooper (05:44):
You were studying
the mystery religion in the
lodge study.
You were studying actually fromtwo sources.
You were studying the mysteryreligion in the lodge actually,
and you were studying what youwere learning from the Citizens
Agency, from Joint Intelligence,and trying to rectify the two
or bring the two together andmake it fit.
The two together and make itfit.
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When did you finally decidethat that what you were learning
in the lodge was really adeception.
William Morgan (06:12):
The uh, the
absolute clincher for me.
What absolutely decided for meto be telling the shadow of a
doubt and yes, I had in mysuspicions, since I, since I had
very first become a member youdon't take a blood oath kneeling
before an altar, swearingyourself to secrecy for all time
, without being set, without thegroup you're becoming a member
of being suspect and, but youwere taking.
Bill Cooper (06:36):
You did take these
widows yes, sir, I took, I took
all, all of them, and there weremany and so, by the time you
reach the degree level that youare at now, you've taken
approximately how many oaths Idon't even recollect.
William Morgan (06:50):
I know that
there were over two dozen oaths
before.
You can even become a mastermason in a, in a blue lodge of
freemasonry, which is a bit likeprimary school for freemasons.
The blue lodge is where theyare brought in as new members
from off the street, and most,most men who are involved in
masonry for their lifetimesconsider the Blue Lodge to be
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the heart and soul of masonry,because that is where it all
begins and that is where it allgrows from.
Bill Cooper (07:15):
But isn't it true
that many masons never advance
beyond the third degree andremain in the Blue Lodge forever
?
William Morgan (07:23):
That is
absolutely true.
Whether or not they do notchoose to go forth or whether
they're totally unaware thatthere's anywhere to go is up to
personally the Mason that'sinvolved, but many of them stay
right where they're at and seemto be content with what they
have.
Bill Cooper (07:42):
So these master
Masons who claim that they know
everything about Freemasonry andthat they've been a master
mason for 20 years, do theyreally know anything?
William Morgan (07:54):
They know
absolutely nothing.
They have been completelydeceived from the very first day
they entered the lodge.
They have been lied toregularly about the nature of
the craft, the work of the craftand the charity of the craft.
My own lodge that I'm a memberof considers its charity work
for the entire last year to bethe donation of $100, which is a
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little more than the duesyearly for three members.
They gave $100 to a needyfamily and through these very,
very shallow and superficialacts they consider themselves to
be one of the greatest charityand brotherhood organizations
ever to walk the face of theearth.
Bill Cooper (08:31):
A recent thorough
investigation of the Shriners,
who have literally made theirreputation upon the fact that
they contribute tremendousamounts of money to charity.
But the investigation disclosedthat of all the money they take
in, less than 3% actually goesto any charity.
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Were you aware of that?
William Morgan (08:55):
No, actually I
was not.
I'm not a member of the Shrine,but I have been exposed to some
of their numbers.
I was hoping that it would atleast be a little bit higher
than that, because that says badthings about the Masons who are
members of the Shrine members.
I was hoping that it would atleast be a little bit higher
than that, because that says badthings about the masons who are
members of the Shrine and, asmost people know, the Shrine is
probably one of the largestquote-unquote charity
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organizations that there is, andone of the richest.
Bill Cooper (09:19):
But most of the
money seems to go back into the
lodge, or to the members, or tothe retirement funds or to the
payment of the lodge officers,and this is something else.
People don't realize that thelodge officers are paid and they
have a retirement fund setaside for them.
Is that true?
William Morgan (09:34):
Yes, that is
true.
Now, this doesn't applydirectly to all officers of the
lodge.
I myself am an officer of thelodge that I was indoctrinated
into a duly elected member.
They operate in that kind ofmanner with elected officials
that serve one-year terms.
But there is an exception tothis rule, and that is the
secretary and the treasurer.
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And the secretary keeps thebooks and the treasurer keeps
the money, and that points avery big finger as to where the
true power in every lodge lies,because these two gentlemen who
held these offices usually holdthem for years and years and
years.
Bill Cooper (10:10):
And they're not
elected and they're not
accountable.
Is that correct?
William Morgan (10:14):
They are totally
unaccountable.
The treasurer will give aone-budget report at a certain
time during the year and Ilistened to this report not two
months ago at a certain timeduring the year, and I listened
to this report not two monthsago.
Bill Cooper (10:26):
And if, if an
accountant in the business world
attempted to give such asuperfluous report to his boss,
he would be fired on the spotnow, just so our listening
audience realizes that, thatyou're not just some yay who
walked in off the street andwent through the first degree
and they're now in a radioprogram trying to tell them you
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know something about Freemasonry.
What is the level of yourstatus or your degree, or how
high have you progressed throughthe initiatory levels?
William Morgan (10:58):
It's not exactly
something that any thinking
individual would like to bragabout, but I have shot like a
rocket up the ranks ofFreemasonry, much like in brag
about.
But I have shot like a rocketup the ranks of Freemasonry,
much like in America today.
The Masons like to keep theirmembers busy, busy, busy.
They don't want to give themtime to think about what they're
doing and they don't want togive them time to think about
where they're going.
They do this by ritual.
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All of Masonry is tied up inritual and you must memorize
this ritual and it is very, veryextensive.
Each office has its own whole,whole slew of ritual to remember
, to remember.
But I I worked hard, I I've gota good memory.
Bill Cooper (11:35):
I rose to the ranks
and I'm now a 32nd degree Mason
of the Scottish Rite ofFreemasonry, southern
jurisdiction in the UnitedStates of America and this is
the same branch of Freemasonrythat Albert Pike belonged to,
that created the Ku Klux Klan,the B'nai B'rith and the branch
off the B'nai B'rith called theADL or Anti-Defamation League.
Is that correct?
William Morgan (11:55):
Absolutely true.
Albert Pike is considered to bea demigod among Freemasons and
actually a source of light allof his own.
He took the Scottish Rite ofFreemasonry, which did exist for
some time before him.
He took it after the Civil Warand turned it into what it is
today.
He incorporated much of thepagan symbology into the degrees
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that are still used in practicetoday.
His name is revered.
I've seen a bigger life-sizebust of complete bronze of
Albert Pike that was created for$25,000 so that money was mine.
Bill Cooper (12:32):
By the way, they
treat him next to God hood in
the Scottish Rite of Freemasonrywere you aware that Albert Pike
was in constant communicationand in concert with Giuseppe
Mazzini in creating?
Not only creating, but AlbertPike at one time was the
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sovereign grand commander of allFreemasonry in the world and
operated in concert withGiuseppe Mazzini in control of
what we now know is the worldbody known as the Illuminati the
name Mazini is familiar to meand I have come across its
connection to the Illuminati inmy research.
William Morgan (13:11):
But no, I was
not personally aware.
And and this comes as nosurprise because, and with the
exception of my own personalresearch, most of my information
comes from the archives of theLodges I have participated and
visited or from Freemasonsthemselves, and all information
is questionable at best.
Never once, with the exceptionof one word, have I heard any
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reference to the Illuminati, andyet my own research points
exactly in their direction forthe true source of the Masons'
power and the reason for theirconcealment.
Bill Cooper (13:43):
But no, I did not
know about Mazzini do the, do
the members of the lodgeconsider themselves to be
illumined?
William Morgan (13:49):
all of them do,
and without even knowing the
definition of the term, the truedefinition of the term, they
consider themselves illuminated.
They, they go around, they havethat secret little smile and
they generally talk no, notgenerally.
They always talk down aboutmost of the other people in the
world, and I've even heard grownmen refer to fellow Americans,
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brothers, as profane simplybecause they had not advanced
through the ritual ofFreemasonry.
Bill Cooper (14:16):
I remember a friend
of mine who was a young man who
was not a member of the Lodgebut his father was.
And he had a friend whobelonged to another family who
was not a member of the lodgebut his father was.
And he had a friend whobelonged to another family who
was not a member of the lodgebut owned a small business in
town and his small business wasbeing destroyed by the members
of the lodge simply because hewas not a freemason and the
business was going to members orlodge brothers.
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And he asked his father why hisfriend's family was literally
being destroyed by his fatherand others who professed to be
members of a fraternalorganization existing for the
benefit of the community.
And his father told him andI'll never forget this because
it literally crushed my friendHis father told him this quote
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if you are not one of us, youare nothing.
Unquote.
Is this generally true?
Is this the way Freemasonsgenerally think about people who
do not belong to theirorganization?
William Morgan (15:11):
I have
personally seen masonry
interfere with family tiesbefore and, yes, this is just
how they look at the world.
They consider the world to beprofane, unilluminated, and this
just goes hand in hand with thegeneral attitude that is
conveyed by all Masons that theyare on their road to their own
form of godhood, and thismanifests itself in severe
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racism.
For all the people out therethat may not be too familiar
with Masons or Masonry, and thisespecially goes for members of
minority groups, who have oftenand usually continue to be
excluded from Masonryry, andespecially for women, I'm here
to tell you that you are notwelcome in the lodge, you never
will be and you never have beenwelcomed a lot.
This especially goes for blacks, in spite of the, the Prince
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Hall masonry, which is thebiggest joke and the biggest
scam and the biggest insult toany single race I've ever seen,
and especially for women.
They do not want you and theyconsider you totally ineligible
and unable to understand whatthey do.
Bill Cooper (16:11):
You told me
something the other night that I
found just incredible.
You said that you could go toany Prince Hall Lodge in any
black community and the doorswould be open to you and you'd
be welcome.
But if one of those members orbrothers of the lodge of the
prince hall lodge came to yourlodge and tried to come in and
participate in these, in the uhceremonies or or whatever you
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call them, uh, what would happen?
William Morgan (16:37):
it wouldn't
happen.
It just simply wouldn't happen.
I, as a caucasian freemason,can visit any Prince Hall Lodge
in the country and as far as Iknow in the world, I can also
visit any lodge period acrossthe world.
I've been told through myinitiation that I am welcome in
any lodge, but this just doesnot apply to blacks, no matter
that, even if the ritual thatthey go through and I do not
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know this for certain, but Iknow it's similar but even if
the ritual were exact, even ifthe same form of quote-unquote
illumination that they underwentwas exact, they could not ever
and I sit in a lodge withCaucasian Freemasons.
I've never seen a blackFreemason sit in a lodge among
Caucasians and I don't think Iwill.
Bill Cooper (17:18):
Equal opportunity
and affirmative action laws are
just completely ignored andconsidered frivolous and a joke
by all freemasons, so the NewWorld Order that they're
bringing into being is going tobe racist.
William Morgan (17:29):
Entirely.
It has an Aryan background andthat is where it comes from.
Bill Cooper (17:34):
And that's been
borne out by our research.
Why, then, would the blackcommunity form their own lodges
and support the bringing aboutof a New World Order that is
going to relegate them back intoslavery, and, I might add,
along with the rest of us whodon't belong to this religion,
and it is a religion.
Why would they participate insomething like that?
William Morgan (17:54):
Well, as you've
told me yourself, and most
people will understand this, theworld loves a mystery, and you
can control the masses bydangling a secret like a carrot
in front of their nose andpromising them the answer to
that secret, if they just merelydo what you say and and and
work for you.
This, together with man's ownfallible, entirely fallible
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human nature and the selfishnessof man and the ego of man, they
want to be something.
They want to be better thanthan the people around them that
they see, and since they havebeen told straight out that they
can never advance to the ranksof caucasian freemasons, they
have settled for just beingbetter than their own people and
excluding other blacks fromjoining their own lodge so one
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of the holes that freemasonryhas over people is that ordinary
people, whether they be black,white, caucasian, oriental,
hispanic, doesn't matter.
Bill Cooper (18:44):
They want to be
part of the elect.
Is that true?
William Morgan (18:46):
Exactly.
They want to join the elite.
They'd like to look down ontheir fellow man.
Bill Cooper (18:51):
Okay Now, if nobody
coerced you, nobody
proselytized you, how did youget into the lodge?
William Morgan (18:56):
I went to the
door and I knocked on it.
Bill Cooper (18:59):
Now, this man is no
dummy, you have to understand.
Within two years he has risenfrom entered apprentice to 32nd
degree Freemason of the ScottishRite of the Southern
Jurisdiction.
Now, that's quite a distinctionwithin the lodge, isn't it?
William Morgan (19:15):
Well, yeah, it
can be considered as such.
It does get a measure ofrespect from those who never
advanced past the 3rd degree ofMaster Mason.
Bill Cooper (19:24):
And what is the
next step?
William Morgan (19:27):
After the 32nd
degree, there is publicly known
only one more degree ofFreemasonry, and that is the
33rd degree.
Bill Cooper (19:36):
And you said
publicly known.
Does that mean that there'smore?
William Morgan (19:39):
I suspect that
there is, that there really is
more.
Bill Cooper (19:43):
Do you know that?
For?
William Morgan (19:44):
sure?
No, I do not know it for sure.
I've heard there's a man by thename of Reverend Jim Shaw who
was a well, he actually still isby Masonic law, who still is a
33rd degree Freemason, and whenhe became a 33rd degree he knew
another Mason who was goingthrough the same ritual, who
said that he was going toadvance even further because he
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had professed a support for theLuciferian doctrine that they
preach.
Bill Cooper (20:09):
So what you have
just said, this is coming from
your mouth, a 32nd degreeFreemason of the Scottish Rite.
You have just said I didn'tprompt you.
I didn't ask you the question.
In fact you just surprised mebecause I was going to lead up
to this.
But you just said theLuciferian doctrine.
Can you explain that?
William Morgan (20:26):
I can explain
that absolutely.
Masons believe in light.
It is a priority part of theirentire ritual.
Now, light to a Masonsymbolizes knowledge and also
intellect, and if you've paidattention to the Mystery School
broadcast, you know who thepatron god of intellect is.
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It is Lucifer, and in fact hisvery name means the farrier or
the bearer of light.
Luce is Latin for light andfarrier.
This is the true god ofFreemasonry and this is also, to
my great shame, the god that Iknelt at the altar before and
swore my blood oaths to the.
Bill Cooper (21:04):
God that I knelt at
the altar before and swore my
blood oaths to.
But when you did this, were youaware that you were swearing
your blood oaths to Lucifer andnot to the God of the Christian
Bible?
William Morgan (21:11):
Absolutely not.
Everything about masonry saysand publicly says that their God
is the same God as any God, theGod of Hindus, the God of Arabs
, the God of Christians.
But it's just not so.
It's a lie and it's a scam, andall you have to do is study
paganism, nature worship and themystery religions of Babylon to
see who that real God is.
Bill Cooper (21:33):
So you have done
this study on your own and
you've checked out thepublications and the doctrines
and the symbology within yourown lodge and you've arrived at
the conclusion that the God ofFreemasonry is who?
William Morgan (21:48):
The God of
Freemasonry is Lucifer, who is
actually Satan, cast from heavenfor one specific reason, and
that is because he, like manyother Masons, sought to attain
Godhood in his own time.
Bill Cooper (21:59):
And isn't that
really the goal of Freemasonry
is?
By their works they will becomeGod.
William Morgan (22:04):
Exactly.
It is a matter of work.
Salvation has nothing to dowith it.
There is no repentance of sin,and in their minds, mankind was
never separated from God, but isable to be an equal to or
superior to.
Bill Cooper (22:16):
God.
The only thing that bothers mein the performance of their
religion is that they areattempting to control and
manipulate the rest of us into aone world totalitarian
socialist government with a oneworld religion that we will all
have to bow down to, withLucifer or Satan as the head of
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that religion actuallyincarnated in a human body.
They intend to install Luciferupon the throne of the world.
Have you found any, anycredence for this?
William Morgan (22:49):
I found great
credence for this, and the best
place to go to confirm this isjust pick up the books more,
pick up the book morals anddogma by Albert Pike.
He himself will state, numberone, that masonry is a religion,
and number two, that Lucifer isinvolved.
That is all I needed to confirmmy suspicions, and it should be
all that is needed to confirmthe suspicions of all the other
Masons that are out therewandering in darkness, thinking
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that they are living inillumination so free most
Freemasons?
Bill Cooper (23:16):
do they really
believe that Freemasonry is a
Christian organization?
William Morgan (23:20):
no, no, they
really don't.
They may themselves be, andmost in America are, but it is a
strict rule and law of thelodge, written into their own
constitutions, that nodiscussions or debates.
Of mine, who was a policeofficer in the lodge of which
I'm a member, and when he wasasked in whom he put his trust,
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he said the Lord, jesus Christ.
And from that day forward, eventhough he's a law enforcement
officer and vitally important tothe New World Order, he has
been ostracized and he has beenleft out of many of the
activities that got me to whereI am in the craft today, and I
do not think that he will beeven allowed to progress any
farther because of that in fact,I think you told me the other
night that that that was thefirst time that you had ever
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heard the name of Jesus Christmentioned in that Lodge ever,
and is that true?
absolutely, or any other lodgeor any Masonic publication or
any writing or even any wordsout of another Freemasons mouth.
It is just not part of theirvocabulary.
In fact, I've have very firmbelieves that the name itself
brings actual pain to their earsnow.
Bill Cooper (24:35):
We know that the
lodge will welcome anyone who
attends any church, synagogue,temple, cathedral.
It belongs to any religionwhatsoever.
But we know that Freemasonry isa religion because we've
studied it and we have peoplelike you who are a Freemason at
a very high degree and haveconfirmed it, and their own
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writing confirms it.
Albert Pike has stated it inwriting in his book Morals and
Dogma and in others of hiswritings, I might add, and Manly
P Hall has confirmed that.
So if Freemasonry is a religion, yet they accept members,
people who go to other churchesin the community and many
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different religions that havedoctrines that don't agree at
all.
How can they rectify that?
I, how can you explain this?
How can this be?
William Morgan (25:28):
it just is.
And any Mason that holds hisreligious convictions dear and
becomes a member of the lodge isin direct conflict with his own
beliefs and his own, his ownfaith, it they, the two cannot
go together, have never beenable to go together, and I don't
think they ever will be.
And I'd like to ask all of mywell, I'd just like to tell all
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of my brothers in the lodges outthere how can you possibly
believe that Freemasonry is nota religion?
You meet in a Masonic temple.
You knelt at a Masonic altarwith the Holy Bible or, in other
countries, a different holybook, the Koran or many other
texts.
You knelt there and swore yourblood oath in the name of a
deity, and quiet respect isdemanded in any and all lodges
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all over the world, just like inany temple.
You have been living a lie andif you don't wake up pretty soon
the New World Order will turnaround and eat your lunch.
Bill Cooper (26:20):
for you living a
lie and if you don't wake up,
pretty soon, the new world orderwill turn around and eat your
lunch for you.
Uh, isn't it a fact that theybelieve they're going to be an
integral part of this new worldorder?
However, most of them reallywill not be this is the great
joke.
William Morgan (26:31):
This is the
punch line to the whole affair.
They believe and see themselvesas the priest and the
priesthood of the new worldorder.
They think that when all thingsstart falling apart, that they
are going to be the ones thatrise up phoenix-like, out of the
ashes, bring the world togetherand deliver them into the hands
of Lucifer.
Like I said, they considerthemselves builders, and what
they're building is the NewWorld Order and it's being
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erected like a prison around useven as we speak.
And the capstone and you oughtto take a look at the Great Seal
of the United States to get afeel for this the capstone of
the New World Order, of thebuilding that they're creating,
is actually Lucifer himself.
Bill Cooper (27:08):
And isn't that the
symbol of Lucifer, the
all-seeing eye above the pyramid, the symbol of light?
It actually began as the symbolof the sun, which was the
symbol of the light, which wasthe symbol for Lucifer, and over
the years, years it evolvedinto an eye.
Christians are told that thatis the the eye of god, but
nobody ever bothers to ask whichgod or what's the name of this
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god.
Uh, and you know if, if amuslim were to ask in the middle
east, they would say it's theeye of of god, and they would
think that it was the eye ofAllah.
And in the Far East, somebodymight think it was the eye of
Buddha, but this is neverexplained.
In effect, it really beganrepresenting the Sun.
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It became the eye.
The Sun has always been therepresentation of wisdom, or the
intellect, or knowledge, whichis all the Luciferian doctrine.
It is the symbol for the light,lucifer, the fallen angel, the
Luciferian philosophy these are.
William Morgan (28:07):
These are facts.
This is just the way it is.
I'm holding in my hand thisvery moment a official Masonic
medallion that is handed out tomany Masons as a gift,
especially at enter princess, atthe very top and taken up the.
The main position in thismedallion is the all-seeing eye,
and this eye is, just as BillCooper has said, a combination
of the eye of quote-unquote Godand I stress that quote-unquote
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more than any other and also itis the sun.
It is a symbol of sun worship.
The eye that I'm seeing, thelashes on the eye on this
medallion that I'm holding, areactually the rays of the sun
coming down to illuminate thefellow masons.
It is.
It is more than just a religion, as albert pikus professed.
It is the oldest known religion.
It is a pagan religion of sunworship, it is nature worship
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and it is incredibly dangerousto free loving people everywhere
you wanted to read somethingfrom a book that you have there.
Bill Cooper (29:00):
this is a book that
I highly recommend, that
everybody in the listeningaudience must read.
This book, you must read thisbook.
You can find it at mostreligious bookstores, christian
or otherwise.
They usually stock it.
It's called the Godmakers theGodmakers by Ed Decker and Dave
Hunt.
And let me see who thepublishers are Harvest House
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Publishers, eugene, oregon,97402.
That's Harvest House Publishers, eugene, oregon, 97402.
Again, the name of the book isthe Godmakers by Ed Decker and
Dave Hunt.
This book truly will open youreyes.
You wanted to read somethingfrom that book.
William Morgan (29:41):
Yes, sir, I was
reading this last night and it
just stopped me in my tracks.
I'm at page 60 of the Godmakersand the chapter entitled the
Mormon Dilemma.
And this book is about theMormons, and once you begin
reading it you'll see, throughthe mystery schools, just how
close Freemasonry and Mormonismactually is.
The subtitle of this part iscalled the Pagan Connection.
Again, I'll read it quickly.
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As CS Lewis and a number ofother experts have concluded,
there are only two religions inthe world Christianity and
Hinduism or paganism.
One teaches that we areseparated from the one true God
by sin, and that God became aman to die for our sins.
The other declares that men arenot separated from God, but
that each person has withinhimself the power to overcome
evil and thus to become God, orat least a God with a small g.
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Hinduism or paganism embracesand absorbs everything except
biblical Christianity, which isits only genuine rival.
Although it uses Christianlanguage to disguise its
paganism, just as many Masoniclodges do, mormonism is less
Christian than it is Hindu.
The basic dilemma faced by everyMormon is the direct result of
its Hindu roots.
In the Bhagavad Gita, krishnadeclares that he comes forth to
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save the righteous and tocondemn the sinners.
This is exactly the oppositefor the biblical Christ who came
to save sinners.
The great complaint of paganismand all occult secret societies
of which I am presently amember is that, whereas one must
be worthy to join them,christianity deliberately
embraces the unworthy.
And to prove my worthiness tojoin the lodge, I had to go ask
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them to become a member.
At the time that I joined itwas against the Constitution's
bylaw the Constitution ofMasonry, I should stress for any
Mason to come to me profane andask me to join, for any mason
to come to me, a profane, andask me to join.
Bill Cooper (31:22):
And, in effect,
actually isn't the Mormon church
just another branch of the oldmystery religion of Babylon.
William Morgan (31:29):
It can be
nothing else.
They have three degrees.
They have ritual that theyadhere to.
They are sworn to secrecy withblood oaths inside of a temple.
They have a structuralhierarchy that is in the
structure of a pyramid, and allthose that are initiated into
this temple ritual seek nothingelse but to climb the pyramid.
The reward, the carrot that isdangled in front of their nose
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that keeps them working hard,hard, hard, is that they will
experience and attain godhoodfor themselves.
Bill Cooper (31:56):
And many of the
rituals that are practiced in
the temple are the exact samerituals that are practiced in
the Masonic temple.
William Morgan (32:05):
I cannot
personally confirm this, but the
research that I am involved inat this time supports this, and
also the research of experts whoare far better and far more
along in their work than I amtotally supports this claim, and
you should verify it foryourself.
Bill Cooper (32:19):
Absolutely.
You know the warning that wealways give on this show don't
believe anything that you hearon this show, or any other show,
or from the president or DanRather or anyone, until you
check it out yourself.
If these people are involved insubverting the freedoms of
others and bringing about aone-world totalitarian socialist
government which we haveconfirmed that they are then it
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is our business and our duty tostop them bingo bill and you've
hit upon something that is acatch-22 for all Masons.
William Morgan (32:51):
Part of the
blood oath says that you can
never and you must swear this onpenalty of very painful and
bloody death that you will never, ever release any of the
secrets of masonry to a memberof the profane, to somebody out
there in the big world.
But when you become a mason andas I did, I always ask
questions wherever I go.
I asked some hard questions andI got nothing.
There were no answersforthcoming.
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They looked me straight in theeye and they said I can't tell
you.
Bill Cooper (33:17):
How do you rectify
what you're doing on this show
with the oaths that you tooksaying that you can't do this?
William Morgan (33:25):
Well, we've
discussed this and I have had
some personal dilemmas that I'vehad to face, but I genuinely
believe that when they do nottell me the whole truth about
what I'm getting into, in fact,when they deliberately mislead
me and deceive me about what I'mgetting into, that that must
totally invalidate the contractor the oath of which I've sworn.
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It just cannot be any other way.
They have lied and I have beenhonest and I have been
forthcoming to them, but theyhave not returned it as such.
Bill Cooper (33:55):
And I found myself
in the same position, folks,
because when I was in themilitary, and specifically with
the Office of Naval Intelligence, I had to sign security oaths
saying that I would never talkabout anything that I was
involved with.
But later, when I began torealize that I was going to have
to, I also understood that theonly things that I would talk
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about were those things that theintelligence community, the
military, those in thegovernment were doing, were
doing to destroy the sovereigntyof the United States of America
, the Constitution, the Bill ofRights, and to bring about
really a traitorous newgovernment, the New World Order,
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and that I was not going to beinvolved in any traitorous
activity and my first and onlyloyalty was to the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights of theUnited States and not to some
phony manipulation called asecurity oath, which many people
are trapped under, thinkingthat they cannot talk about many
of the things they participatedin that are actually destroying
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this nation, destroying theConstitution and the Bill of
Rights.
These people are traitors.
I could not be a traitor, norwill I ever be.
What do you feel about this newworld order that's coming?
William Morgan (35:11):
It makes me want
to vomit.
You're absolutely right.
They are traitors.
They have turned their backs ontheir people.
They have turned their backs ontheir country.
They have turned their backs ontheir family.
They are living a lie and it'snot going to turn out exactly
how they think.
They are like the cops, thepolice officers in America that
are deliberately destroying theConstitution and treating their
own people as an enemy.
They can't be a cop forever,neither can you be a practicing
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mason forever.
One day, that protection thatyou cherish so much must end,
and when it does, it will turnaround and it will gobble you up
, like it's gobbling up so manyother people right now.
Bill Cooper (35:43):
Well, not only that
, but many Americans are waking
up.
The patriots in this country,the people who really understand
and love the Constitution andBill of Rights, are going to
have an awful lot to say aboutwhat's happening.
And of course, there are otherpeople like me, like you.
We have the largest civilianintelligence gathering
organization in the world,operating full time, breaking
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this secrecy down, bringingtogether the truth, and now
we're running out of time foranother episode of the Hour of
the Time.
Folks, I want you to rememberwe love you, we care about you,
or we wouldn't be doing thisgood night.
Tonight is part two of ourinterview with William Morgan,
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and many of you are wondering ifthat's his real name.
No, it is not.
We protect cadgy members.
We never know, we never tellanyone how many caddy members we
have, where they're at, whattheir names are, anything.
None of that information isgiven out, not even to other
CAGI members.
Now we use the code name or thepseudonym of William Morgan
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simply because the name WilliamMorgan is significant.
In the past of the secretsociety called Freemasonry,
william Morgan was murdered byFreemasons after having revealed
, printed in a book, some of thesecrets of the lodge, and this
was done back in the 1800s.
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Of course the fraternity ofFreemason denies that they
murdered William Morgan.
However, their version differssignificantly from the official
version and from the proof andthe evidence that we have spent
many, many hundreds of man hoursdigging up and on the murder of
william morgan will welcomeback thank you, bill.
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It's a pleasure to be here and,uh, I'm really proud and happy
to be here and doing what I'mdoing you know, I don't think a
lot of people realize thatyou're risking your life by
doing this the oaths that youhave taken, albeit because they
were fraudulent.
You thought that you weremaking an oath to the god of the
bible and in fact you weremaking an oath to lucifer, which
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which nullifies those oaths,but they still the Brotherhood,
the Order, the Illuminati, theFreemasons, could still carry
out the threat of those oaths,which is murder.
Is that not correct?
William Morgan (38:09):
Absolutely
correct.
No matter what I may personallyfeel about or what common law
or the actual law may view aboutthose oaths as taken, the
Masons that are involvedconsider them to be absolutely
applicable to any transgressionand they have been enforced, and
the bloody punishments that arepart of the oaths have happened
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to Masons before and they willhappen again, I'm sure.
Bill Cooper (38:35):
Now you are.
What degree?
Let's get that out for thepeople in case we have some new
listeners tonight.
What degree are you?
William Morgan (38:40):
I am a 32nd
degree Freemason of the Scottish
Rite of the SouthernJurisdiction of the United
States.
Bill Cooper (38:45):
And what is the
official title of that degree?
William Morgan (38:49):
The official
title is the Sublime Prince of
the Royal Secret, and that isnot only the title of the degree
, it is also the title of theritual that the degree is
conferred to.
And just to show you howimportant that is, after going
through the ritual and gettingthe degree is conferred to, and
just to show you how importantthat is, after going through the
ritual and getting the degreeconferred upon me, I can neither
remember anything sublime oreven remember what the secret
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was that they told me why is itthat you couldn't remember the
secrets of the degree?
well, that's a bit of a longstory and I won't go entirely
into it, but it started off.
The day I was conferred beganat 6 o'clock in the morning and
they just rushed through it.
There was no memory work to do,as in the Blue Lodge, where a
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person has to memorize theritual and then give it back.
You just sit there and receivedin an audience-like capacity
and when it came to swearing theoath, you merely held up your
hand and said I do.
You also did take that oath onkneeling on one knee, as you did
in the Blue Lodge let's getinto some of the ceremonies.
Bill Cooper (39:49):
How does this start
?
It begins in the Blue Lodgewith the with the first degree
of injured apprentice, and itgoes up and you've actually
traversed 32 degrees ofinitiation.
Are there side roads off ofthis?
William Morgan (40:02):
Yeah, well, it's
a bit difficult.
The Blue Lodge is whereeverything begins and the Blue
Lodge where Mason is initiatedat is called the Mother Lodge
from that time after, inspecific reference to him
personally.
Now, once you get past thethird degree, become a Master
Mason.
In your Blue Lodge you are ableto hold an officer, hold a
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chair as an officer inside thelodge and you can spend up to 10
years going through the chairsand become an officer.
But after that you can eithergo to the scottish right or the
yorkish right.
There's a fork in the road ofmasonry and the scottish right
is by far the most popular andundoubtedly the most powerful.
Bill Cooper (40:41):
Now the York right
has seven degrees.
Is that true?
William Morgan (40:46):
True, the
highest of which being the
Knight Templar degree.
For all those people out therewho think that the Knights
Templar are in no way associatedwith Masons, you're dead wrong
and you haven't done yourhomework.
Bill Cooper (40:56):
In fact the Knights
Templar, when they first began
as an organization on the TempleMount in Jerusalem, were not an
order commissioned or ordainedor approved or even recognized
by any church, but were in factan order of the mysteries.
They began with seven degreesand the seventh degree was the
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highest degree and later, asthey added degrees, when the
Knights Templar were persecutedand in fact many of them were
put to death, others were driveninto hiding in other countries,
and in some of the countriesthey just changed their names
and continued the order and theyeventually reached a number of
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degrees, which was 33, and Itook that right out of a very
old textbook on the secretsociety.
But what is the significancethat you've been told of the
system of degrees?
Why do you have to go throughthis?
William Morgan (42:01):
it's considered
a road.
It's considered a road toquote-unquote illumination.
I really believe that it's moreof a system of control and
self-government.
Lodges are are pretty unique inAmerica in that they are
self-sustaining andself-governing even with their
own bit of enforcement.
All lodges have been granted acharter from a Grand Lodge and
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every Grand L All lodges havebeen granted a charter from a
Grand Lodge and every GrandLodge in this country has been
granted a charter from theUnited States government to
operate on its own and enforceits own laws and constitutions.
If a police officer or any lawenforcement officer walks into a
lodge while in session, notonly does he not have arrest
power, but that lodgeimmediately closes.
Bill Cooper (42:41):
Now this is
something the American people
don't know about.
Now, if these are lodges,they're in states.
They have nothing to do withthe federal government.
How could they receive acharter from the federal
government saying that they'reunder their own laws?
Enforcement officer would nothave the authority to arrest or
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any of his other authorizedduties in a Freemasonic law.
William Morgan (43:08):
It beats me,
bill.
It's really a bit of acontradiction in terms.
You have a government that hasactually gone out and given
government type status to acompletely and secret and, I
think, subversive organizationright under its own nose.
The similar thing can be seenin the Mormon church and in
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other secret societies that arenot nearly so famous as
Freemasonry itself.
The government has, by grantingthis charter, I believe,
undermined its own stability asa functioning organization.
Well, tell us about thischarter.
Tell us undermined its ownstability as a functioning
organization.
Bill Cooper (43:42):
Well, tell us about
this charter.
Tell us again what you saidbefore.
I don't want anyone to missthis, because it's very
important.
It shows how secret governmentcan be formed.
It tells that these members ofthese secret societies literally
have diplomatic immunity andcan get away with whatever they
want to get away with.
Not only that, but they havetheir members sitting in the
most powerful posts, both withinsociety, on local levels and
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local cities, local counties andstate governments, in the
higher echelons of the military,and they permeate all the
positions of control within thebureaucracy of the federal
government.
So tell us what this charter isagain.
William Morgan (44:21):
Okay, it's a
document put out by the federal
government.
So tell us what this charter isagain.
Okay, it is a.
It's a document put out by the,by the federal government, and
it can be any government in theworld.
To my knowledge, everygovernment in the country in the
world has granted, that haslodges in it has granted, a
sovereign charter to the, theGrand Lodges under its
jurisdiction.
I really haven't done enoughresearch to speak at length on
the nature of the charter orwhat it exactly implies
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universally for Freemasonry, butI do know for a fact that a law
enforcement officer and we havemany law enforcement officers
in our lodge, from statetroopers to policemen to
military policemen they're notcops.
When they walk into the lodgethey leave their power, their
badges and their guns outside,and they do so willingly.
That's a pretty good example,but I think the best example
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comes from the Knights of Malta,and here's another one for you
guys out there that haven't doneyour homework.
I'm reading from the glossaryof a book entitled Freemasonry,
a Celebration of the Craft,which is put out by the craft
itself, and it defines Knightsof Malta as a Christian Masonic
degree based upon the medievalKnights, hospitallers, and
emphasizing the Christian value,christian virtues well, you can
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leave the Christian out of like.
But there's.
What's interesting about theKnights of Malta is they
actually do have diplomaticimmunity as an organization.
They can bring goods in and outof this country without going
through customs and they cannotbe arrested or they cannot be
detained or charged with anycrime by any law enforcement
officer in the country.
They are, they're abovesovereign as far as I know.
They're above most governmentofficials that are in the land
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that's a fact, and they actuallycarry diplomatic passports.
Bill Cooper (45:51):
I know several uh
people personally who are
members of the knights thesovereign order, the military
knights of malta, and theycarried diplomatic passports and
began as citizens of the UnitedStates of America.
Now, what happens when a policeofficer and most police
officers we have discovered areat least the ones who make law
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enforcement a career and most,if not all, judges sitting upon
benches in this country areFreemasons?
What happens when you'respeeding down a highway and
you're stopped by a lawenforcement officer?
What happens when he sees theMasonic emblem on your
windshield?
William Morgan (46:34):
Usually what you
have is a direct turnaround in
attitude.
I myself am a young man.
I get hassled by cops a littlebit.
It seems like they always havecop an attitude when they pull
me over, but when they see me,my sonic square encompasses on
my car and, most importantly,when I flip out my dues-paying
card a card that all dues-payingmasons carry the police officer
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.
Well, let me just put it thisway I've never once got a
speeding ticket or a trafficticket, or have even been
harassed in any way when theyhave known that I am a Mason.
It just has not happened.
That is my personal experience.
Bill Cooper (47:08):
So the justice
system in this country doesn't
really work and Freemasons are,in effect, exempt from the laws
that the rest of us are supposedto follow.
Is that true?
William Morgan (47:19):
Yeah, that could
be probably construed as as
accurate uh bill, although Idisagree.
It does work.
It just doesn't work the waymost people think it works.
Bill Cooper (47:27):
It works for them
and with them and around them,
and it works on the rest of youthat's right now what happens
when a freemason goes in thecourt against someone who's not
a freemason and the judge is afreemason um, okay, well, you
have have a very subtleinteraction that goes on.
William Morgan (47:44):
All Masons are
taught secret signs and secret
words and secret phrases, andthis is what they don't want
revealed more than anything else.
You can stand in a particularposition, you can hold your arms
in a particular position, youcan speak certain words, the
widow's son, traveling man, keywords and phrases that will let
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this judge know that you are aMason, and you can almost
guarantee that he is a Mason too, or else he wouldn't have been
able to lock down a lastingcareer in the judiciary.
Bill Cooper (48:16):
That's correct, and
that would explain why some
people just don't seem to everget prosecuted for anything, and
others, who may commit the samecrime or a much lesser offense,
seem to be inordinatelypunished, given such a heavy
burden of punishment, whileothers, who have done the same
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thing, receive either nothing ora pat on the wrist.
William Morgan (48:43):
Well, brothers,
look out for each other.
It's just the way the systemworks.
It's a buddy system.
It's a you scratch my back, Iscratch yours.
As a matter of fact, in theoath that a Mason swears, he
swears that he will uphold anddefend a fellow Mason and any
problem that he may encountertreason and murder.
A Mason, a fellow Mason, in anyproblem that he may encounter
treason and murder, aloneaccepted.
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But they left at their election, which means that even if a
fellow Mason is a traitor to hiscountry we know that could
never happen he's a traitor tohis country.
His brother Mason has his ownchoice whether he wants to turn
him in or not.
He is not obligated to do soand, obeying the laws of masonry
above the laws of the land,he's probably not even going to
consider it.
Bill Cooper (49:25):
So, in other words,
one way of infiltrating and
controlling our society and ourgovernment, both on a local,
state and national level, andthe military, is for one of the
Freemasons to get into aposition where he can then
appoint or hire freemasons belowhim.
When people come to apply forthat job, who gets the job?
William Morgan (49:46):
Well, that's
self-explanatory.
The mason will get the jobevery time.
Another part of the oath isthat you will look out for the
interest of your brother masonsin whatever capacity they may be
in.
In fact, it could probably beconstrued that not giving the
job to a Brother Mason wouldbring serious repercussions if
discovered inside the lodge, andmay even be a violation of the
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oath.
Bill Cooper (50:07):
There you go, folks
, all of you who have been
telling me that I don't knowwhat I'm talking about and that
they haven't infiltrated andappointed their members below
them and literally taken overall levels of society, both
local, state and federal, andthe military.
You just heard it from the lipsof a 32nd degree Freemason that
is exactly how they do it andthat is exactly what has been
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done.
You have to understand thatsince this country was conceived
and brought into reality,freemasons have controlled it
and their goal, always from thethe beginning, was to bring
about a one world, totalitariansocialist government.
Our forefathers knew full wellthe foibles of human nature and
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this country was described, intheir own words, as the great
experiment.
And the experiment, folks, wasto find out if we truly could be
responsible, could ruleourselves, would not give in to
the foibles of human nature andgive our country and our
individual freedoms and rightsaway.
This, would you concur withwhat I've just said?
William Morgan (51:16):
I couldn't argue
with you and I wouldn't want to
start an argument with you,bill.
I have heard higher-levelMasons refer to the United
States in their writings and inperson, as a Mason nation.
It is erected by them.
If you look at the signers ofthe Declaration of Independence,
if you look at the forefathers,you'll see who was involved at
the very beginning of this thing.
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And I'm not saying that all ourforefathers are bad or evil.
They certainly are not.
They created the greatestnation ever known to man.
But some of them wereIlluminati and there's no
denying that the course thatthey set us upon was, in the end
, self-defeating for us.
Bill Cooper (51:52):
You know, it occurs
to me that I need to tell you
folks out there, something.
This young man who's on thisprogram is a member of the
Citizens Agency for JointIntelligence, and there are
literally hundreds of brave menand women all over this country
and the world who are gatheringinformation, bringing the truth
out into the open.
This young man on this show hasrisked his life to tell you
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what he's telling you tonight,and if his identity were ever to
be discovered, he could bemurdered by the secret societies
that he is revealing.
He is one of my heroes.
Most of the people in Khajiitwho are helping us to do this,
most of them working in intensesecret in dangerous situations.
We have people who haveinfiltrated satanic
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organizations and are feeding usthe information on their
rituals and who they are andwhat they're all about, and the
instant that they were to bediscovered, they would be
murdered.
I hope you understand that.
Let's go back to will you'vegot something in front of you?
Uh, and I believe it's a listof three masons throughout
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history uh, that people wouldrecognize their names and if
they don't really recognizetheir names, they could go to
any reference book in the inbarring these names in their
biographies in any library?
Uh, would you like to uh tellour listening audience, uh, who
some of these people are?
William Morgan (53:19):
uh, yeah,
there's some really names that
you'll really recognize here.
But before I do, let me thankyou, bill Cooper, for reminding
me that my brothers might murderme.
Just for telling the truth,here's one Colonel Buzz Aldrin,
simon Bolivar, omar Bradley,edmund Burke, richard Bird, kit
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Carson, walter Chrysler, buffaloBill, cody, ty Cobb, winston
Churchill the list just goes onand on.
Gordon Cooper, edwin Drake,jack Dempsey, cecil B DeMille.
Bill Cooper (53:55):
You know, you
mentioned Winston Churchill, and
one of the things that thelistening audience does not know
is that not only WinstonChurchill was a Freemason, but
so was Harry Truman and so wasMr Stalin.
So when they had their meetingat Yalta, here was three 33rd
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degree Freemasons deciding thefate of the world.
And for all of you who couldn'tfigure out why they made the
decisions that they made atyalta that so screwed up the
world, now you know, pleasecontinue thanks, bill.
William Morgan (54:31):
Yeah, they
should have just held that yalta
meeting in a lodge and been abit open about it.
Um, okay, here's some.
Uh, here's some more for us.
Uh, duke ellingtonton, henryFord, benjamin Franklin, clark
Gable, john Glenn.
Uh, glett and Richard Gatlin,inventor of the Gatling gun.
Samuel Gompers.
Uh, prince Hall, manly Palmer.
Uh, oh yeah, joseph Guillotine,who invented the guillotine.
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We'll be seeing more of thatlater.
Oh boy, there's just simply nottime.
Edgar Hoover, sam Houston.
Bill Cooper (55:02):
For those of you
who did not understand his
reference to, we'll be seeingmore of the guillotine later.
When the New World Orderactually succeeds in taking
control of the world, executionswill be public and the secret
societies believe in bloodatonement.
In other words, you can onlyatone for your wrongdoing by
your works or by the shedding ofyour blood blood atonement.
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So in these public executionsthere will have to be the
maximum amount of blood.
Public executions will be heldas an object lesson to the rest
of the population not to opposethe new world order, for it is
the most terrible, terrifyingexperience to see someone
literally beheaded, is intendedto cow everyone else and is, in
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fact, will be, in fact, aritualistic sacrifice to the god
of the secret societies, who weall know now is Lucifer, also
known as Satan.
William Morgan (56:03):
Yeah, you know,
Bill.
It just dawned on me just whata fun guy you really are.
Here's a short list ofpresidents of the United States
who have been Masons GeorgeWashington, James Monroe, Andrew
Jackson, James Polk, JamesBuchanan, Andrew Johnson, James
Garfield, William McKinley,Teddy Roosevelt, William Taft,
Warren Harding, FranklinRoosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon
Johnson, Gerald Ford.
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And I also know for a fact thatGeorge Bush was a Mason and
that Ronald Reagan was made aMason on sight.
Like I said, the list just goeson and on, and these are not
even a partial, partial fractionof a percent of the famous
Masons that have existedthroughout history.
Bill Cooper (56:41):
Well, John Wayne
was a Freemason, wasn't he?
William Morgan (56:43):
The Duke.
The Duke was a Freemason,absolutely true.
Bill Cooper (56:46):
And you know we're
not in any way belittling the
accomplishments or thecontributions to society of any
of these people.
We just wanted to let you knowthat this covers all areas of
society, all levels of society,all occupations, and that many
famous people whom you allrecognize have been or are
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members of these secretsocieties.
Now, many of them are taken inas window dressing, in other
words, they don't really knowwhat they're a part of.
They're told that it's afraternal organization existing
for the good of the community.
And, of course, in anyorganization, if you can get
famous celebrities to belong,that's a feather in your cap,
because the public for somereason thinks that if a
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celebrity belongs to somethingthen there can be nothing wrong
with it.
But that's the way peoplebelieve.
William Morgan (57:38):
That's
absolutely true.
Most of the celebrity namesthat I mention in this list are
there just simply as windowdressings to give a good
appearance to the craft, butsome of them absolutely are not.
And I'm reading still from thisbook published by Masonic
Publishing Company, and itstates that Joseph Smith,
founder of the Mormon Church,was absolutely and undeniably a
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Freemason.
Bill Cooper (58:01):
Did you find
Giuseppe Mazzini in there?
William Morgan (58:03):
Yeah, I sure did
.
I should have done the homework.
It's Giuseppe Mazzini, 1805 to1872, Italian patriot.
Bill Cooper (58:09):
He was also one of
the the best friends and
correspondents of Albert Pike,who was the head of World
Freemasonry for a while and thehead of the Scottish Rite of
Freemasonry in this country.
He established, with others,the Ku Klux Klan, the branch of
freemasonry known as B'naiB'reth which the ADL operates
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out of, and the ADL folks forthose of you who don't know it
are under intense investigationnow for spying upon agencies and
departments of the UnitedStates government and police
departments and actuallystealing records and passing
them on to the secret societiesand to the state of Israel.
So you'd really better wake upout there and don't give me this
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stuff.
That it's the Jews, that it'sthe Jews, the blacks, that it's
this, it's that, it's not, it'snot Ordinary people like you and
me I don't care what their skincolor is are just like you and
me and all they want to do islive in peace.
There are elements andorganizations and people
belonging to all the differentethnic groups.
All of the differentorganizations, corporations,
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governments anything that youwant to name belong to these
secret societies.
The Jews have been used asscapegoats throughout history.
The Freemasonic organization andthe secret societies in general
are racist.
They believe that the races,the white Caucasian races in
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Europe, germany, england, arethe superior race, are the real
Israelites.
They are the ones who haveorchestrated and brought about
the state of Israel.
They are the ones who maintainthe force of Zionism active in
the world.
The Mormon Church is a greatpart of this.
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I mean, if you just get down anddirty on this, you'll find that
what I'm telling you isabsolutely true.
And one of their main weaponsthat they use against us is to
divide us against each other, sothat while we're running around
stabbing each other in the back, they are putting the chains on
all of us.
And when are you people goingto realize that and understand
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it All?
During the Cold War, there wereno Russian families sitting
around their table plotting onhow to do away with Americans,
and there weren't any Americanfamilies doing that either.
All of us were concerned withour children, with putting food
on the table, with educating ourchildren, with trying to build
some kind of a good life.
That's all that ordinary peoplecare about.
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It doesn't matter what racethey belong to what religion
they belong to.
William Morgan (01:00:51):
Bravo, Bill.
If there's a lesson that thelisteners can go home with, it
is that stop this racistdivisionism.
Come together and see the enemyfor who it is.
Like I said on the last program, you cannot enjoy the
protection of the secretsocieties forever.
With a little bit of homework,you can find out who financed
Hitler in World War II.
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Anybody that knows historyknows that as soon as Hitler got
to where he was at, in power,who did he initiate a pogrom
against?
It wasn't just Jews.
He got rid of all theFreemasons who were the window
dressing men in Germany and inAustria who put him where he was
at and protected his interests.
He zapped them, he nuked them.
They were gone.
They joined the Jews and thegypsies in the concentration
camps and they were never heardfrom again and to this day, many
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German Freemasons wear a smallflower on their lapel in
remembrance of that tragic event.
You cannot enjoy thatprotection forever.
You are doomed to fail if youdepend on these people for your
life.
Bill Cooper (01:01:46):
That's correct.
Remember, the primary methodthat they use is this Conflict
creates change.
They create the conflict thatthey know will bring about the
solution that they want.
They get it to appear as if thepeople are screaming for the
solution and then they give itto them, something that the
people would never have acceptedin the first place.
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But remember conflict createschange.
They believe in the Hegelianprinciple of conflict resolution
.
You have a thesis, an antithesis, and the clash of these two
creates the solution to theproblem which they've been
aiming for all along.
Now you also have to understandthat controlled conflict
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creates desired results orchange.
So the method of bringing aboutcontrolled conflict is to have
your people leading both sidesof the conflict.
So when you talk aboutRepublican or Democrat, forget
it At the highest level, they'reboth the same.
When you talk about populistversus communist or whatever it
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is, forget it At the highestlevel.
They all belong to the sameorganization.
When you look around in thepatriot movement, remember most
of the leaders in the patriotmovement are on the same side
and belong to the sameorganizations as the leaders of
the secret societies that aretrying to destroy this country.
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The conflict between the twowhich they are trying to create
now will ensure the destructionof the Constitution, the Bill of
Rights.
And then they will step forwardwith the answer A thousand
years of peace under the UnitedNations, but you're going to
have to make concessions to getit.
You're going to have to give upyour freedoms, your individual
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rights, but they will protectyou.
If you buy that, folks, you areindeed a fool.
Does this confirm what you'vediscovered in your quest for the
truth?
William Morgan (01:03:50):
It certainly
does.
It is history repeating itselfwith empty promises of nirvana
and utopia on earth.
That has never come true, andyou always have to be the one to
pay for it.
Always, it's just.
These people do not believe ina fair fight.
They do not join a race thatthey have not fixed.
They don't take those kind ofrisks.
Bill Cooper (01:04:13):
Okay, you've got
about ten seconds.
If you had the ability to saysomething to the American people
and to the world, what would itbe?
William Morgan (01:04:21):
It would be to
wake up folks.
Look, you've got an enemy outthere.
They're coming together.
There's a convention ofSouthern Baptists that have come
against the Freemasons meetingin Houston in 15, 16, 17 of June
of this year.
I suggest that you look intothat.
Bill Cooper (01:04:36):
Welcome Will once
again to the hour of the time.
William Morgan (01:04:40):
Thanks, bill,
it's a pleasure to be here.
Bill Cooper (01:04:43):
Tonight we decided
that we're going to talk about
some of the symbology connectedwith the rites of Freemasonry,
the secret symbols ofidentification and things of
that nature.
Wherever you want to start, goright ahead Wherever you want to
start?
William Morgan (01:05:01):
go right ahead,
okay.
Well, all the important symbolsand passwords are incorporated
into the first three degrees.
The handshake, I think, is themost widely used Masonic symbol.
It consists of an ordinaryhandshake, except the thumb of
the person who is a Mason goesonto the third knuckle of the
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right hand of the person he'sshaking hands with.
If you've ever shaken handswith somebody and they seem to
have a funny grip, or possiblyeven I always thought it seemed
kind of feminine to me becausethe hand just wasn't strongly
wrapped around your hand whenyou're shaking hands with
somebody, you can have a prettygood idea that they're trying to
feel you out and see whetheryou're a mason.
Like they are the first twodegrees, that was the hand grip
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of the third degree.
The first two degrees are thesame except, first degree, the
thumb goes on the first knuckleand the second degree, the thumb
goes on the second knuckle.
But those are very, very rarelyused.
Bill Cooper (01:05:55):
And in the master
mason or the third degree the
thumb is on the third knuckle.
That's correct.
Yes, sir.
And how would you reply to thatif you were, in fact, a
Freemason?
William Morgan (01:06:06):
You do the exact
same.
It becomes a combined grip andyour thumb is on his third
knuckle and his thumb will be onyour third knuckle and you
can't miss it if somebody triesto slip you this handshake.
Bill Cooper (01:06:17):
So it's not really
a true handshake in the sense of
the word that most people havelearned to shake hands.
You don't have a full grip ofthe other person's hand, but
rather you just have a sort of aloose grip on their fingers and
your thumb is either on thefirst, second or third knuckle
and you're sort of digging withthat thumb to try to get a
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reaction, to see if the otherperson is indeed a Freemason and
at what level.
William Morgan (01:06:44):
That's true,
that's true.
And if they do not respond assuch, the person will withdraw
his hand quickly.
But if he's not sure, he'llseem to kind of extend his grip
just a little bit to kind ofgive you a chance to return the
sign.
Bill Cooper (01:06:58):
They call it a sign
now, besides the, the handshake
, what other signs or signalsare used to identify one
freemason to another?
William Morgan (01:07:08):
the most subtle
one, and the one that you often
have to look out for in publicplaces, is how a man stands.
His, the position of his feetwill be a dead giveaway.
Most people stand, and just aleisurely position, with their
feet pointing outward justslightly, but a Freemason will
stand with his feet in an exactsquare, at a right angle, heel
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to heel.
This is the step they call thestep of a Master Mason, the step
of an Entered Apprentice.
A First Degree Mason is wherethe feet form a sort of T, with
the heel going to the cup of theother foot, and the second
degree is an inverse of thethird degree, with another
square being formed.
Bill Cooper (01:07:50):
So if you see
someone standing in a room with
their two heels joined togetherand their feet forming a perfect
right angle or a 90 degreeangle, you can pretty much bet
that that's such an unnaturalstance that that is a dead
giveaway that that person is amaster mason.
William Morgan (01:08:07):
Unnatural and
uncomfortable, I might add to
anybody who's stood there.
You're forced to stand likethis when you become initiated
and also when you return theritual.
You have to do memory work andmemorize the ritual and then
give it back before you areraised to the sublime degree of
a master mason.
Uh, yeah, it's.
It's a dead giveaway, becausenobody stands like that.
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Naturally, it's just not acomfortable position to stand
and why would someone stand likethat?
Bill Cooper (01:08:32):
would they do that
in a room full of strangers?
To let other freemasons whomight be in the room know that
it's okay to come and have somekind of a fellowship with them
because they're a Freemason?
William Morgan (01:08:44):
I myself have
stood just like that for that
very purpose, because it's justnoticeable.
It's a way of broadcasting whoyou are and talking to the rest
of the world without the rest ofthe world being able to
interpret what exactly you aresaying.
Bill Cooper (01:08:59):
In other words, if
you're not a Mason, you might
look over and say, boy, thatguy's kind of a nut, Look at the
way he's standing Whereas aFreemason would say that's a
brother of the craft.
I'm going to go and meet thisfellow.
William Morgan (01:09:15):
Absolutely.
That's generally the way itworks.
Most people just aren't awareof all these signs and symbols
incorporated into the craft, buta mason lives and breathes
these things.
Every time he goes to lodge hetakes on this position, he does
the hand signals, he gives thehe will often.
He usually gives the handshaketo his fellow brothers just to
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keep in practice.
These, these things are so mucha part of masonry and of Masons
that they spot them whereverthey go.
Bill Cooper (01:09:43):
Okay, so we know
the handshake, we know the
heel-to-heel and the right anglewe talked in the last broadcast
about I raise my hand to thesquare or I raise my arm to the
square, and what are some of theothers?
William Morgan (01:09:58):
Well, the others
are the hand signals, and these
are also used in every singlelodge meeting, and these are to
Masons.
These are what are most easilyand most commonly used to
communicate between Masons theiridentity Of the first degree.
The hand signal is you takeyour left hand palm upward and
put it near your waist, is youtake your left hand palm upward
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and put it near your waist, andthen your right hand palm
downward just above your lefthand, forming a bit of a cube,
and you hold your hands likesuch, and that's the symbol of
the hand signal of the firstdegree.
Now, the penal sign, as theycall it, is taking the right
hand and drawing it in aslashing motion across the neck,
and this refers to the penaltyof the first degree, which is
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having your throat slit from earto ear now, if this were truly
a benevolent, fraternalorganization, why in the world
would they have an oath and apenal sign to tell other members
that that they could have theirthroat slit?
Bill Cooper (01:10:57):
and there are many
others, depending upon what
degree and what oath we'retalking about.
Why would they do that if theywere really and truly a
benevolent?
And there are many others,depending upon what degree and
what oath we're talking about.
Why would they do that if theywere really and truly a
benevolent, fraternalorganization, bearing in mind
that grown men take their oathsvery seriously, if they
understand the oaths and they'renot being defrauded or lied to
when they take the oath andfully intend to carry out
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whatever oaths that they take.
This is not a joke.
They're not children.
This is not play on theplayground.
William Morgan (01:11:25):
The question
answers itself.
You're absolutely right.
This is not a joke.
In fact, it's deadly serious.
These are the heart secrets ofthe majority of the craft.
Even though they're notilluminated brethren, even
though they don't really knowwhat's going on around them or
what they're doing, they havesworn to keep these secrets,
above all else because if anon-Mason or a member of the
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profane knows these secrets, hecan just walk right into a lodge
and sit down and be exposed toeverything within.
Bill Cooper (01:11:54):
I hope you're
listening, folks Now, just for
the benefit of our listeners.
Or someone who may have justtuned in.
Are any of your fellow BrotherMasons out here who may be
listening now?
You took the oath, but you'rerevealing the secrets.
Why are you revealing thesecrets if you took the oath?
William Morgan (01:12:12):
Because I took
the oath under a fraudulent
contract.
As such, I was told that it wasa benevolent organization, that
it dealt with charity, that itwas arranged around God.
All three of those things arebold-faced lies, and I can prove
their falsehood.
In fact, anybody can provetheir falsehood with just a
moment's bit of research.
There are many more reliablesources than I for information
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that you can go to to find outthe true nature of this craft,
and many religions in the world,including the Baptists and the
Mormons, have condemnedFreemasonry as being exactly
what it purports not to be.
It's not benevolent, it's notcharity organized and it's not
centered around God.
Bill Cooper (01:12:50):
Well, it's funny
that you mention that the
Mormons have condemnedFreemasonry when they carry out
the exact same rituals that arecarried out on Masonic Lodge in
their temple ceremonies.
And most Mormons are indeed, aswas Joseph Smith, members of
the Masonic Lodge.
Our research shows that thepublic statements of the Mormon
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Church are often and I meanoften contradictory to their
true beliefs and what theyreally practice in their daily
lives within the temple, totheir true beliefs and what they
really practice in their dailylives within the temple.
They are, in fact, a secretsociety, a secret organization
that practices the same rites asthe Masonic Lodge within their
temple and have the same goal,and that is that the
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practitioners of the religion ofthe Mormon Church will in fact
become God.
And that is, of course, whatthe other secret societies and
we're talking right now, thefreemasons they're really all
the same organization they'reworking toward becoming god it
is.
William Morgan (01:13:49):
It's a quest
after godhood.
And uh, all I can say about themormons and their many, many
similarities to masons is that apagan is the pagan.
As a pagan, it's nature worship.
They believe in the laws of theuniverse as being what they
have to answer to, and if youknow these laws, you can
manipulate the populace.
It's elitism at its very best.
Bill Cooper (01:14:11):
Now let me ask you
this for the benefit of our
listeners also.
Many people write me lettersand say, hey, my dad or my uncle
or my cousin or my friend is aFreemason and I've asked them
about these things.
And or my cousin or my friendis a Freemason and I've asked
them about these things andthey've told me that it's not
true, that it's all a lie.
Will Freemasons lie to hide thetruth?
William Morgan (01:14:30):
Every single
time if the truth will give away
what they don't want to giveaway.
In fact, I've been lied to bybrothers in the craft that are
allegedly or supposedly teachingme and instructing me.
And what goes on?
They, if they told the truth,it would scare away their
members and what it would end upin?
Universal condemnation of whatthey're doing.
No reasonable and moral personcould could possibly subject
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subject themselves as suchbloody oaths and to such total
secrecy not only that, but theoaths themselves.
Bill Cooper (01:14:58):
They're sworn to
secre.
So if you were to ask them totell you the secrets or the
truth about the practices, therituals, the true religion of
the Masonic Lodge, they aresworn not to tell you.
So therefore they would have tolie.
And the only reason that youare telling is because you
discovered that the oaths thatyou had taken and the purposes
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for which you thought theMasonic fraternity was organized
, it just is not true at all.
William Morgan (01:15:29):
So therefore,
everything that you participated
in, you participated in underfraudulent conditions yeah, that
is exactly true and as such, Idon't consider myself to be
bound by those oaths because Iwas lied to before I entered
into those oaths.
This is common law, this is thelaw of many lands, and it also
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makes perfect common sense thatboth parties have to know what
is going on in all terms of thecontract before they can be held
accountable for their deedswithin that contract that's
correct before they can be heldaccountable for their deeds
within that contract.
Bill Cooper (01:16:04):
That's correct.
And the oath that you took, youthought were for a different
purpose and to a different Godthan the God that you discovered
and the purpose that youfinally discovered.
So, folks out there, when yougo and ask your relatives or
your friends or your cousins oryour business associates
questions about the lodge, aboutFreemasonry, about any secret
society, no matter what name itis the Rosencross Knights,
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templars, the Knights of Malta,the order of st John of
Jerusalem, any of these peoplethey cannot and will not tell
you the truth because it isforbidden to them and, in fact,
if they do, they could findthemselves suffering the
consequences of the very oathsthey took not to reveal these
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secrets.
Now, what are some of the othersigns that we have not
discussed?
William Morgan (01:16:50):
Okay, I covered
the first degree.
The second degree we've alsopartially covered.
The sign of the second degreeis to hold your right arm
extended outward, with the elbowat a right angle and the hand
facing up palm forward, and thepenal sign of that is to draw
your right hand across yourchest from left to right in a
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claw-like motion.
It refers to the penalty of thesecond degree, which is to have
your breast torn open and yourheart and vials taken thence and
given to the birds of the airand beasts of the field.
That's an exact quote from theritual, by the way.
And the third degree consistsof both hands palmed down,
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extended outward at the waist,and then to draw the hand across
the waist from left to right,which refers to have your body
torn in twain, which is thepenalty of revealing the secrets
of the third degree is to haveyour body torn in twain and the
parts carried north and south.
That is again a direct quotefrom the ritual.
Bill Cooper (01:17:54):
So the first one is
the recognition signal and the
second is what you call thepenal sign.
William Morgan (01:17:59):
Yes, yes, that's
true.
Bill Cooper (01:18:01):
And are there other
signs and signals connected
with Freemasonry?
William Morgan (01:18:04):
There are many
others.
There is a recognition signaland a penal sign for every
single degree in Freemasonry andI have been through the 32nd
degree and have experienced allthese recognition signals and
penal signs.
But all the signs, but the allthe signs after the third degree
are not nearly as important asthe first three.
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And the reason for this is isbecause Masons in general are
just not invited to know all thesecrets of the order.
It is not uncommon to know aMason, as you've stated before,
who never, ever advances beyondthe third degree.
And I should state now that aMason who, who is in the third
degree, he can be the master ofhis lodge, the worshipful master
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, they call it, of his lodge,which is a bit like an elected.
It is an elected office, a bitlike president, that lasts for
one year.
Bill Cooper (01:18:54):
Not all Masons are
in the Scottish Rite or the
Shrine or the Yorkish Rite, butall Masons do know the signs of
the first three degrees and thepenal signs and in fact, most
masons um are really only guiltyof joining an organization they
know nothing about and forgiving it um protection and uh
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in favor and helping it along,but they really don't know what
it's all about true, true thattrue.
William Morgan (01:19:20):
They don't.
They're as ignorant as I was,and if they're out there
listening, I'd like to say thatyou can follow the exact same
path I have followed.
Now that you know the truthabout the craft, whether you
believe me or not, you should goout and verify for yourself,
and once you do verify foryourself, you are no longer
bound by those oaths either.
Bill Cooper (01:19:46):
They are fraudulent
and they are.
They're ridiculous andunreasonable and brutal in many
ways.
Not only that, but once you doknow about it, you are no longer
innocent, but you are.
If you don't do something aboutit or leave the lodge or do as
this young gentleman is doing,help us to um, to relieve
ourselves from the yoke of thesesecret societies who are
planning on stripping us of ourfreedoms and our rights.
If you don't, then you are afellow conspirator and are just
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as guilty as those who havealways known.
And you better understand that,because I'm telling you right
now, patriots in this countryare getting fed up and the
purpose of this show is toprevent bloodshed.
We want to wake people up anddo something about this while we
can, legally and lawfully,because, folks, there will come
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a day when people will not takeit anymore and they will take
weapons in hand.
Unfortunately, we can see itcoming.
Anybody with half a brain canlook around and talk to people
and see that that day is goingto come, because nothing's
getting better, it's onlygetting worse, and we don't want
that to happen.
That's why we're doing this,that's why I've dedicated my
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life and that's why I'vesuffered so much in my life.
To try to wake people up is toprevent that kind of thing, and
they are dead set upon seeingtheir dream come true aren't
they?
William Morgan (01:21:07):
well, they have
dedicated their lives, their
labors and indeed their, theirentire faith, to this, and you
have not exaggerated oroverrated the problem at all.
This is dangerous.
Uh, people, the these men meanbusiness.
Uh, the scottish rightthemselves have taken a public
stance totally in support ofpublic education by the
government.
Now, all you need to do is lookat how screwed up your schools
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are and then turn around andlook how screwed up your kids
are, and you've got a big, big,rich organization out there with
incredible political power andwidespread influence that is
supporting this current failedsystem.
This is just one isolatedexample.
If you are not part of thesolution and you have even been
just a tenacity bit exposed tothe truth then you are part of
the problem.
Bill Cooper (01:21:49):
That's correct and
we know that public education
conducted and supervised andorganized and funded by the
government is one of the planksof the Communist Manifesto
written by Karl Marx andFrederick Engels.
Now, why would Americans eversupport such a thing?
The strength of our educationalsystem before it began to
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self-destruct was that it wasalways handled, funded and
governed and maintained andapproved and everything else on
a local level.
In other words, the schoolsystem in my town might be
different from the school systemin someone else's town 100
miles away, but it would becontrolled, governed, decided,
textbooks would be choseneverything on a local level.
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Our schools did not begin toself-destruct until the state
got into the school system andthen the federal government
began to poke into it, andspecifically when teachers,
colleges funded by the Carnegie,the Ford and the the
Rockefeller Institute's began tochange what they taught
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teachers to teach children, andwhen that happened, when it
became an organized, funded,dictated to type thing, then it
began to fall apart.
And the less control on thelocal level, the less our
children are educated.
William Morgan (01:23:14):
You've hit the
nail right on the head.
As you've stated in your ownbook Behold a Pale Horse.
The true enemy is not communismbut illuminism.
Held a pale horse.
But the true enemy is is notcommunism but Illuminism.
When, when the Berlin Wall felland the Eastern Europe was
opened up, it wasn't all theAmerican companies that beat up
path to the, to their door to goopen up these markets and make
money.
There were two groups, and theywere both religious in nature.
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One were the evangelist, whowent over there to try to spread
the word of their, of theirreligion, and the other were Fre
evangelist, who went over thereto try to spread the word of
their, of their religion, andthe other were freemasons who
stepped in just the very momentthat the communists stepped out.
Already, lodges have beenconsecrated in saint petersburg
and moscow and several othermajor cities, and they're just
popping up all over you.
You've got people, very old men, who actually remember when the
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lodges were around beforestalin wiped them out, and uh,
they're bringing them back toreplace the communist masters
that they just got rid of.
Bill Cooper (01:24:05):
And the only reason
that Stalin did away with the
lodges in the Soviet Union wasbecause Stalin was a 33rd degree
Freemason.
He knew how he had risen topower, he knew what the
organization was and he didn'twant them turning against him,
so he got rid of them.
William Morgan (01:24:20):
Absolutely.
There's subversives.
They got him, just like Hitler.
They got him to where he wantedto be and he's not going to let
anybody put him out of placewith the same tools that he rose
to power with.
Bill Cooper (01:24:30):
Okay, well, we're
making a lot of progress here.
If you were to walk into a roomand see two grown men hugging,
what would you look for asidentifying traits that would
tell you that these two menhugging were Freemasons hmm,
there is a certain patternedritual that goes that has
something to do with that.
William Morgan (01:24:49):
it deals with
the interchange of the one of
the most secret passwords ofFreemasonry.
And you must go, you must standfoot to foot with another mason
, knee to knee, hand to back andmouth to ear and then whisper
the secret word in a very lowvoice.
And I'm not going to do any ofthose things, I'm just going to
tell you the word is Mahabalm,and I don't even know what it
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means, but I do know where itcomes from, and it comes from
the ancient Hindu religion,which is the original pagan
religion, and many of the othersecret words in freemasonry are
of an exact same source and theycall this the five points of
fellowship, do they not?
they do you.
Bill Cooper (01:25:27):
You've done your
homework well I know more about
freemasonry in the secretsocieties than most members of
freemasonry in the secretsocieties ever will.
Um and um.
I was, as I've told mylisteners and as I've published
in my book, a member of D-Malay.
When I was a teenager I went toexactly three meetings and
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D-Malay folks is a branch ofFreemasonry for children, for
teenagers actually and Iattended three meetings and my
father was transferred to Japanand I never attended another
meeting ever.
But I do believe that that'swhat got me in fact.
I know it is.
That's what opened the door forme to enter as a member of the
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Office of Naval Intelligence.
Many years later, when I filledout my forms for security
clearance, there was nothing onthere for the Order of DemolLA,
but I knew that it was a branchof Freemasonry.
So I checked Freemasonry and,by golly, all of a sudden,
things began to open for me thathad never opened for me before
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and which most people who arenot Freemasons find impossible
to enter into.
And I was surprised for a whileand a little mystified until I
discovered the real reason.
But every member of navalintelligence that I ever met was
a Freemason and most of themwore their rings.
What are these rings?
How can someone identify thering of a Freemason?
William Morgan (01:26:54):
It sticks out
like a sore thumb.
It looks a bit like afraternity ring or a football
ring or any other signet ringand on the very top of the ring
will be a square and compass setin what looks like a large a
shape, with the square on thebottom and the compass on the
top, forming what looks a bitlike an a, but it's not.
You can tell how seriously onetakes their position in the
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craft the, the Masons, who arereally there for genuine reasons
, philanthropic and charity work.
They have their square andcompass facing to them and those
that are trying to impress andenforce the buddy system that
got you in naval intelligenceand the backscratching whole
thing.
They wear theirs facing theoutside to tell everybody else
in the world who they are.
Bill Cooper (01:27:36):
But really the only
ones who really know unless you
were to ask them what that ringmeant are fellow craft masons
Absolutely, I shouldn't sayfellow craft, that's the second
degree, our fellow brothers ofthe law.
You've got something there youwant to say, I think.
William Morgan (01:27:55):
Yeah, I'd like
to give a little message to my
brother masons out there.
I know that all those who arelistening are thinking some
pretty hard thoughts about me.
You're thinking things likethat I'm a traitor to the craft.
Well, I'm thinking that you'rea traitor to your country, and
if you think that I've betrayedmy brothers I feel that you've
betrayed me with your deception.
If you believe that I've brokenmy oaths and even if those
oaths are valid something that Ido not believe I think they're
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null and void Well then I justhave to say this so what we all
got to go Now, my brothers cango quietly into slavery, live in
a lie and bury their heads inthe sand, or you can go like a
man, squarely facing the truthand fighting for freedom.
I honestly believe this and Ihonestly believe that the whole
nature of the craft is sinister.
Bill Cooper (01:28:36):
Wow, that's quite a
statement there, and I
certainly admire you for sayingthat.
I had no idea that you weregoing to do that.
In fact, you showed me thepiece of paper just as the music
was beginning to fade out andindicated to me that you wanted
to say something.
So, yeah, wow, that's prettygood.
Okay, let's get on into therest of the program.
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What are some of the othersigns and signals that the
secret society spring masons ingeneral use to identify
themselves to each other?
William Morgan (01:29:08):
I've never been
a member of any other secret
society besides spring masonryand, much to my joy and to your
good fortune out there, I havealready told you most of the
secrets that are protected bythe craft, as far as the common
layman of the craft will know,with the exception of one and uh
.
That is concerning Hiram Abiff,who is a bit of a patron saint,
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I guess, of Freemasonry,somebody they pulled from the
bible and turned into acharacter to uh, to give a
meaning to their, to theirritual.
Um, when, when two masons cometogether, one of the easiest
ways that they'll come to knoweach other without having to
shake hands, hug in the middleof the street or do little foot
dances or whatever kind ofnonsense that they're doing out
there they'll just come up andsay, well, hi, hiram, how are
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you doing?
Or hello, mr Abiff.
Or if you want to catch a masonon the phone, you just tell him
that H Abiff is calling and,believe me, you'll get service
right away well, that's good toknow.
Bill Cooper (01:30:01):
We can.
We can certainly useinformation like that, but we
know that some of the symbolsand signals and signs used in
the in the Masonic order werealso used by the Knights,
templars and others, so thisdidn't come strictly from this
one society, but literally theyare all one.
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What are some of the vocalsignals, the speech, what words?
Besides hire, mobile, what elsewould you say to someone to
solicit whether or not they werein fact Freemasons?
William Morgan (01:30:36):
one of them that
that I've also come across and
I've seen this in writing andit's it was a bit of a mystery
to me until I sought some adviceabout it.
They'll ask each other ifthey're a traveling man and what
they mean by it, and this comesdirectly from the old Templar
ritual and it stands as apositive factual link of the
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continuity between ancientsecret societies and modern
Freemasonry is.
They'll ask if they're atraveling man and the meaning
behind that is one travelingfrom west to east, east being
the source of knowledge ourillumination.
Bill Cooper (01:31:11):
Now, it's also the
point where the Sun rises, which
goes back to the first religion, which was the cosmology, where
all of these religions andsecret societies sprang from,
which was the worship of the Sun, the source of illumination,
the source of warmth, the sourceof all life, the source of
everything, rises in the Eastevery morning and is in fact,
for those who really understand,the morning star.
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Is that not correct?
William Morgan (01:31:35):
absolutely that.
That gives a great illuminationif I may say so as to why the
worshipful master sits in theeast of the lodge, and also why,
during the ritual, when a young, unknowing Freemason like
myself is brought in and has adegree conferred upon him, he
circumnavigates it as he walksaround in a circle from all the
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points of the lodge, going fromthe worshipful master in the
east to the junior warden in thesouth, to the senior warden in
the west and then back to themaster of the lodge, going from
the worship of the Master in theEast to the Junior Warden in
the South, to the Senior Wardenin the West and then back to the
Master in the East.
He is traveling as the earthtravels around the sun in a
circle of worship, and it mighteven be a direct reference to
Solomon's circle, and you'vetold me yourself, bill, about
the traveling man.
That too has been used bycommunists, hasn't it?
Bill Cooper (01:32:20):
Yes, in fact,
anyone who knows anything about
the Internationale or the secretsociety known as the
International, theInternationality Communist Party
, the International Socialists,socialism, if you studied them,
the same passwords are used bythem.
All of these organizations areone.
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Socialism stems from themystery schools.
That's where it comes from.
You'll find that most of themystery schools preach the
tenets of the CommunistManifesto written by Karl Marx
and Frederick Engels, whom, bythe way, just wrote it.
They were the hacks who frontedfor it.
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They did not make it up, itcame out of ancient documents
and an ancient philosophy.
And the password is the sameAre you a traveling man?
And that's how communistsidentified themselves to each
other, from cell to cell andcountry to country, and kept
their business secret.
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And I got that straight out ofthe files of the Federal Bureau
of Investigation and theirinvestigations of the
International, the CommunistParty, international Socialism.
They're all the same.
Freemasonry, the Knights ofMalta, the Rosencross cross,
they're all the sameorganization, folks.
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And one of the remember, one oftheir tenants is and in fact
adam weishaupt said this thestrength of our order lies in
its concealment and in its manydifferent names, appearing under
many different names and manydifferent occupations, sometimes
, sometimes even appearing tooppose ourselves, but at the
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highest levels they're all thesame, because they use the
system to coerce the people togo along with what they want.
If they want to changesomething in a certain direction
, they'll look at the population, the society, the problems that
exist and they willintentionally create, foment, a
problem, in order to get thepeople to cry for an answer to
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that problem, which will be thedirection that they want to take
that society into.
They will create two opposinggroups.
At the top of these twoopposing groups will be their
people, two opposing groups.
At the top of these twoopposing groups will be their
people, so that it's acontrolled conflict bringing
about a controlled resolution ora controlled, a desired end.
Um, you guys, better wake up tothis, I'm telling you.
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You better wake up to it.
You better pay attention towhat you're hearing here.
Being afraid is not going tosolve our problems, because fear
itself is a weapon that theyuse against us.
So I mean, why, if, if themajority of people are sheeple
and aren't going to help savetheir own butts, why should, why
should you be doing this tosave them will?
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Why are you doing?
William Morgan (01:35:18):
this.
I have a very, very easy answerfor your question and you
already know the answer.
It's obvious that you're doingthis for the for the sake of
your audience.
Whenever you look at yourdaughter, whenever you, I look
at my family, whenever I slap mydog upside the head, that's why
I'm doing it, because I lovepeople in this world and I love
my people, and my people are notgoing to be safe.
And until I can make this worldsafe, I see them in direct,
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direct danger.
And I'd like to say, bill, youhave a wonderful way of cutting
right to the heart of manymatters.
You're right about thecontinuity of the secret
societies.
They are all one.
And I'm here to tell you he didnot just flip through a few
books and see a couple of thingsand say, okay, they're all one,
they're all evil.
It's not that easy, folks.
We have to read and researchand research, and research and
investigate every single cornerof this.
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And, believe me, if it lookslike a snake and it slithers
like a snake and it hisses likea snake, well, go ahead and step
on its head, because it's asnake.
Bill Cooper (01:36:08):
And uh and uh, Uh.
Well, it is a snake If we goright to.
The philosophy of all of thesesecret societies is that man was
held prisoner in the Garden ofEden by an unjust, vindictive
God, that he was denied his ownchance to become a God and that
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Lucifer, through his agent Satan, set man free with the gift of
intellect, the gift of knowledge, and with that knowledge, man
himself can become God.
Remember, remember the promisethat Satan made to Eve was that
God was lying to them, that ifthey did indeed eat of the fruit
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of the tree of knowledge, theywould become gods.
Don't ever forget that thosewho say they are God, those who
say they are going to become God, the members of the secret
societies, the Mormon church,others who profess this belief,
are practicing the Luciferianphilosophy.
They have deserted the real,true God and they are following
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the fallen angel of light,lucifer, satan, who is not a God
at all.
They have all been deceived.
If you are one of them,remember we don't hate you, we
are not trying to hurt you.
It is only when you practiceyour religion with the aim of
taking away my freedoms andforcing me to practice your
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religion under a new world,totalitarian socialist
government which you intend tobring about, that it becomes not
only my business but my duty tostop.
You understand that and I wantto read to you from a book here
so that you'll understand whereI'm getting to.
This is taken from secrets, thesecret societies of all ages and
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countries.
It's in two volumes.
It's the author is Hecateorn.
This particular set of twovolumes was published, I believe
, in 1965 by University BooksInc.
The Library of Congress numberis 65-22572.
So I urge you to get this setof books, because these books
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were written back when it wasstill easy to get a lot of
information on the existingsecret societies, much easier
than it is today.
I want to read to you from page14 of volume 2 under Secret
Societies, freemasonry Rightsand Customs, paragraph 391,
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entitled Masonic Customs theparaphernalia of their
respective degrees.
They date from the year oflight.
The Knights of the Sun, the28th degree of the Scotch Rite,
acknowledge no era but alwayswrite their date with seven
knots or 000000.
No one can be admitted into theMasonic Order before the age of
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21, but an exception is made inthis country and in France in
favor of the sons of Masons, whomay be initiated at the age of
18.
Such a person is called a Louisin England, and that's the
source of that name, and aLouverture in France.
This latter word signifies ayoung wolf, and the reader will
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remember that in the mysteriesof Isis, the candidate was made
to wear the mask of a wolf'shead.
Hence a wolf and a candidate inthese mysteries were and are
synonymous.
Macrobius, in his Saturnalia,says that the ancients perceived
a relationship between the sun,the great symbol of these
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mysteries, and a wolf, for asthe flocks of sheep and cattle
disperse at the sight of thewolf, so the flocks of stars
disappear at the approach of thesun's light.
We have seen in the account ofthe French workmen's unions that
the sons of Solomon still callthemselves wolves.
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The adoption of the Louvetouinto the lodge takes place with
a ceremony resembling that ofbaptism the temple is covered
with flowers, incense is burntand the Godfather is enjoined
not only to provide for thebodily wants of the newborn
member, but also to bring him upin the school of truth and
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justice.
The child receives a new name,generally that of a virtue such
as veracity, devotion,beneficence, and the Godfather
pronounces for him the oath ofapprentice, in which degree he
is received into the order which, in case he should become an
orphan, supports and establisheshuman life.
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Now, the key words here, folks,that I want you to remember and
pay very close attention to isthis, and I'm going to quote
directly from it Quote Macrobius, in his Saturnalia says that
the ancients perceived arelationship between the sun,
the great symbol of thosemysteries, and a wolf, for as
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the flocks of sheep and cattledisperse at the sight of the
wolf, so the flocks of starsdisappear at the approach of the
sun's light.
Now remember, in chapter one ofmy book, silent Weapons for
Quiet Wars, there is a quote ofthese people who have declared a
silent, quiet war upon theAmerican people using silent
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weapons.
That goes like this Quote Anation or world of people who
will not use their intelligenceare no better than animals who
do not have intelligence.
Such people are beasts ofburden and stakes on the table
by choice and consent.
Unquote.
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In other words, cattle, and, ofcourse, if they are the wolves,
if they are the wolves, thenyou are the stakes on the table,
if you are indeed one of thesheeple.
Thanks for watching.