Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Part 2 (buffaloed)

This week, we're wrapping up our episodes of the gunfight at the O.K. Corral and discussing the subsequent trial and Wyatt Earp's vendetta ride.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to an hour of our time, the podcast where
we pick a topic, research it, and come back to
tell you what we've learned. This week, we are on
to part two of the Gunfight at the OK Corral.
We're going to recap what we talked about in the
last episode, because I know there's a lot of characters,
but we're also going to talk about some things that
happened after the gunfight, like the trial and wyatt er

(00:21):
s Vendetta Ride.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm Dave and I'm Joe. So you were like you
should watch this documentary and I was like, oh, that
sounds great. What you know what's on You're like, oh,

(00:46):
it's Netflix. And I was like, oh, okay, I gotta
I gotta run run on my treadmill. I'll I'll pull
it up on Netflix someone iPad and watch it with
you know. That's often what I try to do is
like kind of watch like a YouTube video or something
like that, maybe trying to learn a little bit, even
if it's just like how to beat this Boston video game? Anyway,

(01:07):
right right, pullton Netflix like it's a six part docu
drama and I was like, no, closes iPad, No, I
want to be doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
But it is narrated by Ed Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It is, and it does seemed interesting and I'm sure
I will watch it at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah. I ended up watching it twice over the last
like six weeks. And this is because I may have
told a story about how last summer, or I guess
two summers ago. I ended up watching all the Rocky
movies twice in the span of like three weeks because
I watched them. And then my parents came to town
and I was just sitting there and my dad was like, oh,
what have you been watching. I was like, oh, I

(01:43):
just watched all the Rocky movies. He's like, oh, that
sounds good. What we then we did.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Picking up on Social Cues. Dad, I said that, and
I've already watched them.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, but I was almost done with this documentary. And
then Thanksgiving rolled around and my parents were in town
and I told my dad. I was like, oh, this,
you got to watch this. It's really good. He's like, oh,
that sounds good. So watched it again.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Fool be once. Yeah, shame on you, fully twice, shame
on me.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
It is really good, though.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You walked right into that. Yeah, well if you.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
But by the way, it's called Wyatt Irp and the
Cowboy War. If you get interested in watching it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I was just about to ask you what the name
to tell us the name of it.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
And it's sort of like, you know, there are interviews.
It's one of those documentaries that you see a lot
now where it's a combination of interviews and like reenactment.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, so it feels a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, it feels a little bit like watching like a
TV show, But there are lots of interviews with historians
in there to tell the story, and it's very thorough
and you know, it's funny. One thing about it is
that the shootout is just this one moment in it.
And I was reading something else this week of talking about, like,
you know, this whole story of the Irt Brothers and
Tombstone and everything. The thing that we remember it is

(03:00):
the thing that like took thirty seconds. It's like this
like a little moment within the story. But it's like
the one that has been the most sensationalized by Hollywood
and just we grab onto it for some reason. And
it's like this little piece, which I think is kind
of funny to think about.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, there's other like scuffles that the IRPs got
into with the cowboys that I'll get into.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
So, yeah, we kind of missed a few things last
week and I our last episode, and I'm I didn't
mention them on purpose because a lot of them kind
of came to light during the hearing and trial afterward,
because the herbs are going to be tried for murder
for what happened at the gunfight. But we can kind
of put them into more chronological order here, sort of

(03:50):
getting us back up to speed.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, I feel like we did it a little bit
backwards last time. We talked about some of the side issues. Yeah,
and this is my fault because I I basically I
you know, when we do our research for this podcast,
I study the things that I think are interesting, and
I got down rabbit holes about like you know, we
had talked about like how how Rare was a gunfight

(04:15):
like this, as we discussed pretty Rare is the reason
why it is so famous. It's because it was the bloodiest,
the bloodiest year in Tombstone's history. Three people died.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
And it epitomizes like what we think of of the
wild West because of movies. Yes, but it is a
at least somewhat isolated set of events.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
And I will get into this later, but this event
was not referred to as the gunfight at the OK
Corral until nineteen fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right, because that's when a movie came out.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
At that time, that is when the movie came out. Yeah,
so we'll talk about that, and that's like a large
part of why we are like about the mythos of this.
But anyway, since we had done things like kind of backwards,
what we're going to do is like now drill down
to talk about the more specific events in chronological order.

(05:16):
And and David, before we begin, I was going to
ask you you had watched that document here? Is that
why you wanted to do this episode?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Because you got When I was watching it, I was like, man,
like I've always been interested in this story. I'm learning
so much more about it. We've talked about doing Old West,
so I thought, oh, this would be a good thing
to talk about. So yeah, watching that, which I started
again like a week before Thanksgiving, sort of influenced this.
And I love the movie Tombstone, which we are going
to do a Patreon episode about. I just rewatched it,

(05:46):
love it, and you know, realize it's a lot more
sort of the accurate than I realized.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I still got to give that another view. I
think I was talking to my wife, who has not
seen that movie sadly, so I mean I may watch
it with her and like kind of get see what
like the reaction or a person who's never seen it before.
But I think it hasn't watched it since college, so
it's been a very long time.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's definitely my favorite Western m It's probably it might
be in my top ten movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Westerns were so much of the background of my childhood
because that's what my grandfather especially and my grandmother like
watched that. I kind of like, I don't, I don't know,
I can't, like they all kind of run together for me.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I guess I'm right there with you. And I am
not a fan of John Wayne, just knowing about the man.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, well, we could talk more about our our thoughts
about Westerns or like our fair westerns or things like
that when we record that bonus episode, So better get
on that Patreon if you want to listen to that.
But uh, let's let's get into it here. So, just
as an overview, this was a shootout that happened, not

(07:10):
at the Okay Coraw. Actually it happen happened in a
essentially a vacant lot next to a photography studio which
is actually like down the street about six businesses away
from the rear entrance of the Okay Coraw right right,

(07:33):
So it really should be called like shootout and shootout
in the parking lot or something.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Shout of flies, flies photography and boarding house.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, shoot out at CS flies Yeah. So but anyway
that this is the name that it had. So, so
what was happening. This happened in Tombstone, Arizona. Happened on
October sixth, my birthday, eighteen eighty one. It was a
in about thirty seconds, thirty shouts were fired, three people

(08:02):
were died, three other people were wounded. And on the
one side you had the cowboys who were So now
we think about cowboy as being like a rancher or
someone who you know, works with cows.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, this would have been a very derogatory term to
call a rancher at the time.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, a rancher was called a well, a rancher would
be one name, many different names, but they were they
were not called cowboys. Cowboy was a rustler, someone who
stole cattle and things like that. So you had the cowboys.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Who supposedly they was the term cowmen cowmen, which would
have meant more of the actual ranchers. You can see
the derogatory nature of the cowboys.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I'm not a cowboy, I'm a cow mayon.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, Jones. Wait, aren't you a Cowboys fan?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yes? I am a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Goddamn it.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Joe, my my oldest son, has decided that he has
chosen his did we talk about this? He has chosen
his NFL fandom and I think I think it was
his grandparents guy him, uh some gear for Christmas. He
has decided he roots for the Philadelphia Eagles boo, which

(09:24):
just like such a kick in the nuts, this old man.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And he was like daddy, Daddy, the Eagles beat the Cowboys,
and like son, the Cowboys are visible this year. There's
my car. My heart is cold and dead. There's nothing
you can say to me that would make me feel worse.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Is he actually watching the games.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
A little bit? It's I often it's kind of hard
to get some of those games because unless that's like
the Monday night football game, that's gonna be hard to
get and also that's like past bad time, right anyway,
Any cowboys, not the NFL team, not what we think
of today, as you know, a person who you know
works on a ranch. You had the cowboys, so they

(10:08):
were like they did some cattle ranching, but they also
like did some rustling and robbing and things like that
on the side, and they were really resisting the civilizing
of the town of Tombstone. They kind of controlled the
the outlying areas and then some of these like business

(10:30):
people sort of controlled the town itself. So you had
Johnny Behan, who was actually the sheriff of the county.
He was an ally of cowboys. You had Billy Claiborne,
Billy Clanton, Ike Clanton, Frank McClory, and Tom McClory. So

(10:51):
it's two sets of brothers. Yeah, and then you know
some of their friends. Those are the main ones. Those
are ones that were involved in the uh, the the gunfight,
Tom McClory specifically, I'm sorry, Tom McClory and the others.
They did a bunch of stuff like robbing wagons and

(11:14):
stage coaches and other kind of things like that. Then
you had the ERPs, which was their kind of benefactor.
I guess if you will, was John clumb, who was
the mayor and also totally not corrupt, the publisher of
the two one of the main two newspapers in town,
the Tombstone Epitaph.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I love that it's called the Tombstone Epithaph. I mean
it's just like they they kind of like the whole
town feels like a Halloween store, or they're just leaning
into the theme.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of this stuff is like so
set up for it being like a becoming a legend,
right and uh and the Interestingly, the owner of the
rival newspaper was more on the side of the cowboys,
but actually he was out of town, so the first

(12:07):
newspaper article that was published was like negative towards the cowboys.
But then once the publisher got back to town, he
was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait wait wait, Johnson,
we like those guys.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
What I would actually say is those first two articles
from each paper were ended up being pretty accurate to
what the witness testified to in the trial. Some lied
because they were paid off by the cowboys, but they
were those newspaper articles were pretty accurate to what will
come out. But then shortly thereafter they take hard stances,

(12:38):
you know, side of the other.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, exactly. They they sort of like then started to
editorialize based on who you know they were allied with.
So okay, so kind of like, you know, two different factions,
not just the IRPs and the Cowboys, but like some
some associated people. Okay, when I go through the timeline,
we have to start eighteen fifty nine with when Virgil

(13:04):
Earth was sixteen. Just this is like important because it's
when Virgil gets married and they have a daughter.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Clarifying, Virgil is the oldest And isn't it that was
he actually married or just engaged. Wasn't a situation where
like his wife or fiance's family hated him. So when
he went off to war, they told him.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
That he died they eloped.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh that's what it was. And then he went off
to the fight in the Civil War and they told
him that he told her that he died, and then
when he came back, her family told him that she died.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, yeah, we'll get to that. He was not super
loyal to his spouse. Babe. Love these people there, they
weren't what I never said. He was nice people. Virgil
is the leader of the faction you know why, it
gets like all the fame, but Virgil's the oldest. So yeah,
but Virgil is the oldest brother, and he is the

(14:03):
deputy us marshall, and then he also simultaneously serves as
the Tombstone city Marshal and the fire marshal and the
tax collector and the chief of police.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay, well, I'm sure there's never any conflict of interest
there no.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Apparently they really him and this other guy, Johnny Behan,
like both really wanted the the county sheriff job because
it also like was a ton of money because you
got some of the tax revenues, right, you could just

(14:41):
got to keep Okay. Anyway, Virgil gets married in eighteen
sixty one. The RPS enlist in the Union Army. It's
important because they were they were Yankees, they were Republicans,
they were part of the Union.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well apparently, yes they were. But his father was a
Southern sympathizer. Their father was I don't know if he
was from the from the South originally, but like they're
joining the Union Army somewhat stood opposed to their family,
but it stood aligned with their like geographic location.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Mm hmm. Well, some of these other some of their
their nemeses here, as we mentioned last time, were more
Southern sympathizers.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I'll try to back this up. His father, Nicholas was
born in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you know the Civil
War tour family's part.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Right, and I want to say why it grew up
in Illinois. So there it is, right. So his family
was Southern, but they live in the North. So it's
kind of like, you know, generations change opinions.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
There there, It.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is funny how that works. So in eighteen sixty three,
while oh sorry, so three of the brothers, James, Virgil
and their half brother Newton are on the army. In
eighteen sixty three, while Virgil was in the army, that's
when you said, his wife got the report that he

(16:06):
had died. So she moved to Oregon with her parents.
He would not parent or his daughter for thirty seven years. Yeah,
eventually he would have two more wives. I'm using air quotes.
These are maybe like common law marriages or maybe they
never got legally married like this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, Wyatt had a similar situation. It was a lot
of reformed prostitutes as well.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, I don't know if that was.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
True for a Virgil, but it was true for Wyatt
and I think Morgan as well.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Apparently Virgil killed a lot of dudes in the war,
and one of the things about like that will become
relevant in the gunfight is that Virgil was like, well,
the only one that really knew a lot about combat.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Right by the time the shootout happens. Whyatt has only
had to even like fire his weapon one time on duty,
but I believe in doing so he did kill somebody.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, they're they're supposed to be like, you know, like
badass cowboys, but there, yeah, he was, he was he
was doing them was like kind of a.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Hard, badass law man. Let's not mix up.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, all right. In eighteen seventy, whyat is
he's twenty two. He's elected the town constable of Lamar, Missouri, which.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is the only I believe you mean, Missura.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Maszura, the only elected office that he'll ever hold. His
his wife died either in childbirth or from typhoid fever.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
She contracted typhoid from the fetus.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And he is just kind of like, that's just looking
for like sorry, yeah, I didn't catch the joke.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I just wanted to I didn't want anybody to get confused.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
He's just kind of looking for like what you know,
he's just kind of drifting at that point. Right later
on in eighteen seventy one, why it actually meets Batan
Masters and who is another like famous lawman of the
Old West, and apparently they were they were actually bros.
In eighteen seventy three, the mayor of Ellsworth, Kansas appoints

(18:19):
Wyatt Marshall and sends him to uh Wichita, basically sends
him to talk down this famous gunfighter Ben Thompson. He
actually like convinces him to give up without fighting and
and then funks off. Then at Wichita, he's a part

(18:44):
time Marshall. His older brothers James and Virgil, and then
his younger brothers are all living there together. In Wichita,
Jim Purp's wife runs a brothel.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
This is where why it's like reputation as a lawman
kind of is cemented. So it's like, you know, he's
like calm, cool, collected, right yep. Then they get to like,
you know, the famous town of in eighteen seventy six,
Dodge City, one of the biographers of Wyatt Arp apparently

(19:27):
said about Dodge City, if Wichitah was wicked, Dodge was
sodom itself. Geez okay, Why it is like he's basically
like on again, off again Marshall, He's kind of like
he's basically a hired gun but with some veneer of respectability. Then,

(19:52):
so why is just he's just kind of like drifting
around right, trying to find his place in the world.
In eighteen seventy seven, this is when he meets Doc Holliday, who,
like you said, was at one point a dentist, then
he got tuberculosis and kind of like quit being a
dentist and was just like a professional gambler.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
We talked about the you know, the reason that he
maybe left the South. Yeah, and you know, there's there's
not a lot to back that up. There's just sort
of like a legend. But it's possible that something happened
that maybe forced him to get out of town.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. He uh. This is where the Big Nose Kate
enters the story. That is Mary Catherine horn Horny, which
is Doc Holliday is like live in girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
And I could have sworn I said this in the
last episode that I had heard that the big nose
part was because she was sort of a busy body,
sort of a nosy person. But I also found a
picture of her, and I'm gonna go ahead and say
it might be both.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Really because the I don't think she's got a big nose.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't know. I saw I saw quite a schnase
you might. You might call it a beak.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Ouch.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So this is where in in Fort Griffin. Here, this
is there in Texas. This is where why it was
having a fight with us some people outside of the saloon,
and Doc was playing cards and heard him, heard that
he was in trouble and saved his life. So that's

(21:40):
when they became like best friends. Eighteen seventy seven, Prospector
finds silver near what would become the town of Tombstone,
and then that just becomes it's actually like just like tens.
At that point. Right back in Dodge City, bat Masterson's

(22:07):
brother Ed is killed, and then Wyatt comes to help
out his friend and becomes assistant Marshal of Dodge City.
Apparently at that time the newspaper said, whyatt Irp, one
of the most efficient officers Dodge ever had, has just
returned from Fort Worth, Texas. He was immediately appointed assistant

(22:27):
Marshall by our city dads. Much to their credit, our
city dads, Virgil Irp. Later that year, Virgil Irp is
elected Constable of Prescott, Arizona, which at that point is
the capital of Arizona Territories Arizona State at this point,

(22:49):
and then the next year the town of Tombstone is
founded by I looked this up. By the time of
the gunfight in eighteen eighty one, there were one hundred
and ten saloons and fourteen gameplay halls in the town

(23:13):
of Tombstone, nic. So it was pretty wild, but also
pretty quickly because of all the wealth like business people
came and brought their families and things like that. So
unlike some of these boom towns, it wasn't just a
bunch of bored men drinking and gambling and shooting at
each other. It was like they were trying to build

(23:35):
like a quote unquote respectable town. Even in eighteen eighty
one Virgil. This is when Virgil goes and late later
that year in eighteen seventy nine, Virgil comes to try
to mine near Prescott. He's all so like carrying mail

(24:02):
he's also the deputy sheriff. You know, it's kind of
like doing a lot. Two cowboys coming to Prescott and
they start shooting up the town. Virgil is part of
a posse that they sent to go after them, and
then he he shoots to kills one of the cowboys.
And so then he gets appointed deputy US Marshall and

(24:25):
by Marshall Dake, who is the US Marshal, so he's
the Virgil is his deputy. So Dick asked him to
move to Tombstone to deal with all the you know,
rowdy cowboys there, and that is why he comes to Tombstone.
Also in October of that year, Johnny Bahan, who will

(24:47):
become the sheriff of the county where Tombstone is located,
meets Josephine Sarah Sadie Marcus, who is apparently an actor
traveling to all these western towns giving performances, who she
is apparently quite beautiful.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
We did say last time that that you know, Josephine
Marcus is with Sheriff b Hand, but is having an
affair with Wyatt Earth, which will certainly complicate matters.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes, okay, So now eighteen seventy nine by December. At
the end of the year, the or Irp brothers, James, Virgil, Wyatt, Morgan,
they all arrive in Tombstone. They are trying to buy
real estate, mine claims, water rights, all kinds of stuff.

(25:43):
And then very soon after that their wives and common
law wi their wives and quote unquote wives join them.
They apparently like were yeah, it's unclear on whether they
were like legally married.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Some of them.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
The next year, in eighteen eighty, Virgil is he is
the w us Marshall for Tombstone. Wyatt is writing Shotgun
And I don't know if we've mentioned this, but that
term literally comes from sitting on next to the driver
on a stagecoach holding a shotgun.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
We mentioned it in one of our Idioms episodes.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's what I thought as I said it. And this
is when they kind of start to come into conflict
with the cowboys, the Clantons and the mcclaury's right. They
the cowboys are like, they're like actually like a loose organization.

(26:46):
It's not just like, I don't know, like they know
each other, and they they are in cahoots with each other.
So they use their ranches to launder stolen cattle and
horses and things like that. They bring them to their ranch,

(27:06):
rebrand them, and then sell them. In that year, in
eighteen eighty six, mules were stolen from the US Army
from Fort rucker He which is near Tombstone. One of
the soldiers, the Tennehurst, rides the Tombstone and asks Virgil
to help him get the mules back. So Virgil gets

(27:28):
a posse with his brothers White and Morgan, rides out
to a ranch owned by the McClory's, and they realize
that the mules had just been rebranded, and they actually
find a brand from the McClory's, so they actually say, like,

(27:50):
you know what, just kidding, we'll give the mules back tomorrow,
like don't worry. They but then they don't bring them back,
and then they actually instead accuse Lieutenant Hurst of stealing
the mules. So this is like the first run in
that they have with the herbs. In eighteen eighty Doc

(28:15):
Hall Day and Big Nose Kate, I really feel bad
calling her that arrive in Tombstone, the Tombstone Sheriff, I'm sorry,
the Tombstone Marshal Fred White. Fred White is shot accidentally
by Curly Bill Brocious.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, he was apparently drunk, but if you watch the
movie Tombstone, he comes out of an opium den and
is just like high out of his mind. But apparently
he was drunk and accidentally shot Deputy or Marshall White
in the growing.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, he ended up dying.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
A few years ago. In reading about this, I learned
a word that I was unaware. I've always heard the
word pistol whipped, but I guess the word at the
time was buffaloed. Wyatt Earp came out when he heard
the gunfire and buffaloed Curly Bill and basically arrested him
but sort of saved him because the town was trying
to lynch him.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, they were mad because the Marshall, Fred White was
very well beloved. Oh yeah, so yeah, so that apparently, yes,
those those two will meet again, Grocious and Wyatt. So
this guy Ben Sippy beats Virgil. Virgil is trained to
become the Tombstone Marshall after the marshall died. Whyatt is

(29:42):
now deputy sheriff for the county.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So he We're not done with this Curly Bill story.
Oh sorry, because the other thing about this is that
Curly Bill goes to a trial, and it's Wyatt that
sort of saves him. Why Yes, testifies that it was
an accident. There was another person who was able to
analyze the gun and say that, yeah, it was faulty,
it could fire half cocked whatever. So Whyott sort of
gets him out of trouble. But Curly Bill is now

(30:09):
going to forever hold a grudge over being hit over
the head with the gun.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, sorry, I thought that we Uh yeah, I thought
that we cover that part. I didn't mean to talk
over you. Yeah, So why it is investigating voter fraud.
Apparently he realizes he the investigation leads into Ike Clanton
and the notorious gunman Johnny Ringo. Yeah, then what happens

(30:42):
is part of their county becomes incorporated into the new
uh Pima County, part of it gets portioned off to
become the new Cocheese County, and Tombstone is going to
become the county seat for Cocheese County. They really want
to become the sheriff of Coachies County because then they're

(31:03):
gonna get It's a very lucrative job apparently, like literally
millions of dollars in today's money. He resigns his deputy
sheriff and Johnny B. Hann is appointed to replace him.
He drops out of the running because he says, because
Johnny be Han says like, oh, later, when I become

(31:24):
sure if I'll make you my deputy. And then he's
like just kidding, I hate you.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, that's putting it yep.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Next year eighteen eighty one, like I said, part of
Pemon County becomes coachiest county. It's like pretty lawless at
this point, but there's a lot of like some of
the you know, moneyed interest in tomb Center trying to
like you know, kind of clean it up and make

(31:53):
it respectable. Tombston to become the richest silver mining district
in all of the Arizona territory. It's got actually, like
you know, like I said, I mentioned all the saloons
in it, but it's actually got like it's a it's
a full town. It's got there's a bowling alley, there's
four churches that even has an ice house, a school,

(32:17):
two banks, an ice cream parlor, and four newspapers. We
mentioned the Epitaph, but the their rival one is the Nugget.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I did mention that there are over one hundred saloons
a bunch of brothels. So you know, fine, fine, fine town.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, sounds like Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
So Behan is apparently like, now he's a sheriff and
he's he is on the take. He is, uh, taking
his cut of the taxes that he collects, and he
the cowboys.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, he's in the pocket of big Cowboy.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
He's in the pocket of big Cowboy. He finds out
that Whyatt is I'm sorry, I'm I skipped ahead and
mentioned this part, But he finds out that Whyatt is
trying to get the run for sheriff in the next election,
and he says, oh, yeah, uh, I'll let you be
my deputy sheriff, and so Whyatt drops out of the running.

(33:18):
And then that's when he's like, hah, just kidding, idiot.
In eighteen later in March in eighteen eighty one, the
Ben Benson stage coach is robbed and the driver, Bud Philpott,
is shot and killed.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Also, why aren't two people killed?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
A passenger is killed?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, wells Fargo had actually started to enlist the help
of the IRPs in these situations, to my understanding, but
in this case, as you mentioned, this was not a
Wells Fargo stage coach. This was a Caneer and Company
stage coach. But it was reported to be carrying twenty
six thousand dollars worth of silver bullion, which would be

(34:09):
over eight hundred thousand dollars. Now I read something that
suggested that that might not have been possible just based
on the weight of so much silver. But it was
definitely carrying a lot of money. But regardless, two people,
the driver and a passenger, were both killed. Yeah, and

(34:32):
the I believe there were three cowboys that escaped after
this happened.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So yeah, So Johnny Behan forms this is the sheriff
forms the posse that includes Virgil Wyatt, Morgan and Wyatt's
friend Bat Masterson, who we talked about earlier, and they
go and pursue the cowboys for two weeks then give up.

(35:02):
And it's during this process that or later that why
it learns that the sheriff, Sheriff Bend went back on
his promise. And he also realizes at that point that
the sheriff refuses to pay the other members of the
posse their expense money because he said that they were

(35:24):
not official deputies, which is like, really really bitchy, and
that's why I like, Yeah, this rift just continues to grow.
In April of that year, that's when Tombstone passes the
ordnance outlong firearms to be carried in the city. When
you come in, you're supposed to give your guns to

(35:44):
a delivery stable or a saloon. Immediately.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
You're missing something big here in the middle what I mean, Well,
so why it becomes you know, really interested in finding
these guys, right, and he enlists the help of Ike
clan to and apparently also Frank McClory. He offered them
and this comes out during the hearing after the the

(36:08):
erbs are tried for murder thirty six hundred dollars in
Wells spargo reward money should be twelve hundred per robber.
He offers that money to those cowboys for information on
their capture, but the catches that they have to be
captured for them to get the money. Well, unfortunately for
Ike Clanton and Frank McClory, these three missing robbers both

(36:31):
die and other robbery attempts before they are actually captured,
and so why it is off the hook to give
them the money. But Ike Clanton becomes very paranoid that
Wyatt is going to make it known that he was
willing to sell out secrets, sell out the cowboys, and
so he starts to get very paranoid, and he also

(36:53):
drinks quite a bit, which is the other thing that
causes him to walk around the streets of Tombstone saying
he's going to kill the IRPs.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, that's that's something that he starts doing later that
that obviously is kind of like one of the the
major inciting things. Yeah. So, yeah, so can't have guns
in the city. June of eighteen eighty one, the Tombstone

(37:21):
City Council appoints Virgil as the temporary city Marshal, and
actually later that month, the Tombstone the like the downtown,
catches fire and Virgil keeps the looting to a minimum,
so that kind of endears him to the you know,

(37:42):
the moneyed interests. They learns that the previous town marshal
had was like embezzling town funds, and so the mayor,
John Clumb appoints Virgil the permanent city Marshal with a
like a pretty good salary. That same round. That same time,

(38:07):
the the Tombstone Epitaph is founded by the mayor and
then this is kind of where and they're like the
Republican or the you know, Northern newspaper. And then the
Nugget is founded around that same time with uh which

(38:30):
is like the Democrat newspaper. They are allied with the
cowboys and the Sheriff. According to the Nugget, the cowboys
are honest, hard working ranchers and Callahans who come to
town to quench their thirst, play cards, enjoy the ladies,
and let off a little steam I'd say so, which

(38:53):
is like all true, but it's leaving on some things
like the.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah right, they all do that stuff, but that's not
all they do.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
So Sheriff b Hand persuades Sadie Marcus, who we mentioned earlier,
convinces her to join him in Tombstone and where he
he you know, will marry her and they're living together.
But after he takes all of her money, she discovers

(39:30):
that he is like also like quote quote unquote out
horn all the time. Yeah yeah, and she breaks up
with them. And then it is at that point, the
like around that time that she starts fucking Whip, which
is why Behan really really hates him.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, this is like when it comes down to after
the shootout, and he's got the option to to rest him.
It's a pretty easy choice because he already doesn't like him.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah. Now I need to remind everyone that's trying to
keep track of this that why it does still have
a ostensive wife at this point, Maddie Blaylock. Yeah, but
you know.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Maddie Blaylock is a an opium addict. Well you know,
well at the time, I'm just saying their relationship is
very strained. I'm not letting him off the hook. I'm
just telling it like it is. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
she will die of this opium addiction later in her life, so,
I mean it's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
In September of that year, there's a tomb or there's
a stage coach that's robbed, and the stage coach driver
implicates Sheriff by Hand's deputy Frank Stillwell. The next month,
the Deputy Marshall Morgan irped. Morgan IRP is accosted by

(41:07):
Frank and Tom McClory, Ike and Billy Clanton and Johnny
Ringo HM and Frank supposedly said, you may have arrested
Pete Spencer and Frank still Well, but don't get it
in your heads. You can arrest me. If you ever
lay hands on h McClory, I'll kill you. And Morgan

(41:29):
are apparently replied if the IRPs ever have occasion to
come after you, they'll get you. Shit. Yeah, that's that's
like direct altercation. It is at right after that that
Ike Clanton starts to go around and make public threats,

(41:51):
like going around in the town and drinking, getting drunk
and shouting that he's gonna kill Doc Holliday and the IRPs.
Although he is usually not armed because they are, he
is mostly abiding by the city ordinance.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
There's that.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, but I Clinton had made a deal with Wyatt
to turn in some stagecoach robbers and share the reward,
and he's kind of afraid that that's going to get out.
So that's why he's kind of like talking a big
game and saying like, oh, I'll kill Doc Holiday in

(42:36):
those rps. Yeah, So Wyatt is starting to get you know,
tensions are rising. Apparently Doc Holliday had went off to
Tucson to do some gambling, so they went they sent
Morgan out to get him and bring him back, and

(42:58):
so on October twenty second, he arrives back in tombes
Doc Holliday, So the IRPs and Doc Holliday the cowboys
are all in town in Tombstone again. On October twenty second,
Doc Holliday and Ike get into a verbal confrontation where

(43:19):
Ike again threatens them. On October twenty fifth, Ike Clanton
and Tom McClory start doing some day drinking at the
Grand Hotel. That night, they join an all night poker
game at another saloon and also at the table are
Virgil IRP and Johnny behanm And so that's so this

(43:44):
is the that's the evening of the the day prior,
so now the day of the gunfight. Ready to We
kind of got in these events pretty you know, we
did these events last time, so we'll breeze through this here. Okay,

(44:06):
twenty sixth, it's cold. It's actually snowing, so it's like
different from like westerns, so you think it's like, you know,
so it's kind of hot, desert bee. Someone comes in
to get to wake Wiet up to tell him that
Ike is out making threats again, and he's like, leave

(44:27):
me alone. I'm going back to leave me alone trying to sleep.
Virgil does the same thing because I don't know, they've
probably been out drinking gambling all night.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
But it's also he's been making a lot of threats,
so you.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Know, yeah, this has been going on for months and months.
Ike Clanton comes to flies boarding house where Doc Holliday
has been living. Big Nose Kate wakes up Doc and
tells him that Ike is armed and looking for him. Supposedly,

(45:03):
Doc said, if God will let me live long enough
to get my clothes on, he will see me. So
there's a lot of like speculation that because Doc Holliday
knew that he was dying of tuberculosis, he was like
extremely reckless and I don't know that seems probably probably true.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, he had a reckless streak about him that might
have just been part of his personality. But yeah, I'm
sure that him dying of tuberculosis didn't help.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, it's hard to say which came first, the recklessness
or the consumption. M Yeah. Virgil finds Ike and they
have another verbal altercation. Virgil takes Ike to court, where

(45:54):
he's fined for violating the gun ordinances. He actually takes
Ike's rifle from him, So the so like a gunfight
is going to happen. Yeah, it's just like, what when
is it going to happen? And then uh yeah, so
whyat then Buffalo's uh Tom McClory who has a gun. Okay,

(46:21):
so they had like kind of a they got kind
of beat up and they're like humiliated. Right early afternoon
or you know, at some point later on the day,
Wyatt follows Ike and the McClory's into a gun shop
where they're buying more guns, gets it too, gets it

(46:41):
to an argument with them, and then someone goes and
gets Virgil to go to the the gunshop because the
cowboys are acting up and why it's there by himself.
On the way there, Virgil stops by the Wells far
office and gets a h a short barrel shotgun, which

(47:03):
we mentioned last time, right, some people think that he
was just trying to like intimidate them with it. Uh So,
Virgil gets down the street where Wyatt is there, he's
he's pissed off the UHM, the McClory's and Clayton's and

(47:30):
all the cowboys sort of meet up the h So,
so they're causing trouble in the town all day. They're
they're boozing there, buying up guns. Everyone's getting nervous. The
a member of the Citizens Safety Committee, William Murray, gathered

(47:52):
offers to gather twenty five armed men to fight the cowboys.
Virgil actually declines and as as long as that they oh,
and it's at this point that the cowboys are going
to the Okay Corral. So Virgil thinks that they're going
to go to the corral and leave town, and so

(48:15):
he doesn't want to confront them.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
A logical assumption.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And he tells Murray that if they go back onto
the streets that he'll disarm them. So now, maybe he
was trying to tone down the temperature. Maybe you know,
he wanted to exactly his revenge. You know, we'll never know,
but he refused their help of like getting a posse,
like twenty five guys. The sheriff at some point stops

(48:44):
to get a shave during all this, you know, and
he offers to go alone to disarm the cowboys, and
Virgil's like, yeah, go ahead, because you know, you know
these guys and you know, maybe we can avoid a confrontation.
The earps are waiting to see if he's successful. Okay,
are round about two thirty. Virgil, Yat and Morgan needed

(49:11):
a saloon and Doc joins them. It's been twenty minutes
since the sheriff wanted to disarm the cowboys. A local
furniture dealer steps in and offers Marshall Arp more armed
men to go and disarm them. Like the business people
of the town are like, you got to get these
guys out of here again, he tells them. Virgil tells

(49:38):
them that they're getting ready to leave town. He's not
going to confront them. And the furniture salesman tells Virgil
why they're all down on Fremont Street now. So now
he basically has no choice, so him and the Iarps
head down the street, head down Fremont Street to confront
them because he's promised the safety community that he's going
to get these guys out of town and disarm them.

(50:01):
This is when as they're walking there, this is apparently
when Virgil gives Doc the shotgun.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Mm hmm, yeah, and he hides it under his coat
to conceal it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yep. So, at about just a little bit before two
or a little bit before three o'clock, the the Ierps
and Holiday leave the saloon and step out on a
fourth street and they get to Fremont Street. And now
at this point everyone in the town is like aware

(50:33):
that something's about to go down. Be a sheriff. Bean
has been trying to negotiate with the cowboys to either
get hand over the weapons or get out of Tombstone.
But then allegedly someone shouts here they come, uh, the
IRPs and the holiday. The IRPs and holiday around the corner,

(50:59):
and the showdown begins. So now they're in the the
vacant lot. Now this is where we left off last time.
It's not exactly clear what happened, and we'll get into
this in the trial, whether the cowboys were trying to

(51:21):
surrender and were gunned down in cold blood or whether
they were branching their weapons and it was a gunfight.
But we do know that in about thirty seconds, and
they're about six feet apart, in about thirty seconds, there
was thirty shots fired and three people died.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah. We also know that not all the cowboys were armed,
because not all of them. Billy Claiborne were not armed
and they ran from the fight. Yeah, the other one
certainly were, and there were a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Billy and Frank McClary were almost certainly armed.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, in the following trial, Virgil will testify that he
said throw up your hands, I want your guns, or
I throw up your hands. I have come to disarm you.
And Virgil and Wyatba testified that Frank McClory and Billy
Clinton drew and cocked their single action single action six

(52:19):
shooter revolvers, and Virgil then yelled, hold I don't mean that,
or hold on, I don't want that. There were some
people that testify that he did say hold I don't
want that, but it was because Doc Holliday raised his shotgun.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, but there there is like some evidence or some
people think that the distance or the close distance if
they expected a gunfight to happen, A lot of people
think that they wouldn't have gotten that close.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Well that's what I said last week. You know, them
being six to ten feet apart tells me that they
weren't looking for a shootout.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, and we could go, like I said, we could
go into detail. A lot of people have like sort
of diagrammed this this fight out, even though like we
do have some eyewitness accounts and some of the things.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
But four or wyatt Orp himself drew a sketch, yeah,
to show where everybody was standing, which is maybe the
most reliable source. But obviously this was, you know, twenty
five years later and he was an old man.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I would actually say, just go ahead and just
find this scene in the movie Tombstone and watch it,
because they they do their best in that movie to
try to portray at least that part of it is accurate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
The only thing that's pretty inaccurate in that scene is
that Ike Clanton does go running away, but when he
dives into a building nearby, he busts through the window
and starts shooting again. He did not do that.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, obviously there's a liberty is taken.
But I think that like just getting a sense of
like how fast paced the violence was. Yes, like I said,
it's like thirty seconds, Like shootouts in this time period
were not like these like protracted battles like you see
in most movies.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah. Later on, Virgil will also testify the two shots
went off right together. This is the beginning of the fight.
Billy Clanton's was one of them. Why, it testified Billy
Clanton leveled his pistol at me, but I did not
aim at him. I knew that Frank McClory had the
reputation of being a good shot and a dangerous man,
so I aimed at Frank McClory. Yeah. So you know,

(54:31):
that's their side of it, right, that the Cowboys drew
on them first and everything they did was in self defense.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I also had heard that there was I think this
was in the documentary on Netflix, the sort of the
straw that brought the camel's back because they weren't. The
trial wasn't going very well for the IRPs because the
Cowboys had paid off so many people to say that
it was cold blood and murder. But there was a
guy that was willing to testify, basically league corroborating everything

(55:01):
that the IRPs had said. And the reason he wasn't
afraid of the cowboys is because he was also dying
of tuberculosis.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I think Wyatt might have been might have wished that
so they didn't shoot in anyone that wasn't armed. It's
pretty clear, but maybe he should have shot Like.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Well, had you known that I was going to be
so good at manipulating the media after the fat.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah right right, right, that's so, yeah, That's what I
was good at. So yeah, I so do it was
we could go uh with the I guess to to clarify,
like who who died?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I guess, Yeah, go ahead and talk about that.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
So so Doc Holliday was like grazed by a bullet,
probably show by Frank McClory, you know, Yeah, Virgil I

(56:10):
was shot through the calf yep, probably by Billy Clanton
Morgan I was struck through the across the shoulder blades
that that he thought was shot by Frank McClory, why

(56:35):
or completely unhurt. And then Tom McClory, Frank McClory, and
Billy Clanton were all were all three killed. One of
them I don't remember who was actually like shot in
the head. Yes, I don't remember who, which is interesting

(56:58):
because usually people were not trying to shoot each other
in the head during this time period because that small target,
that's a smaller target exactly. Yeah, supposedly Holiday is the
one that killed Tom McClory. But then it's like not

(57:19):
clear exactly whom shot who, but yeah, so then so
then what happens.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
After this, Well a couple of things happen after this.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
The smoke, the smoke clears, smoke.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Clears, and you know, really the cowboys, especially Ike try
to develop sympathy for the cowboys, and one way they
do this is they parade the bodies of their fallen
comrades and prop them up in their caskets so you
can see them with a banner that says killed on

(57:52):
the streets of Tombstone. The way it's shown in the
movie Tombstone is pretty accurate to what they did. One
thing I mentioned last time was that the coroner who
examined the bodies stated that, you know, I said that
I think it was Billy Claiborne was shot in the wrist,
and the way he was shot in the wrist was
not a way you'd be shot if your hands were up.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Right, right. Yeah, that's one of the pieces of evidence
I don't put a lot of stock in like modern forensics,
but yeah, it seems pretty well.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
He was just saying, like, if your hands were up
or you were holding your hands out to hold your
jacket open so you didn't have any weapons, that is
not the way his wrist was hit in turns away,
it would have been exposed to somebody in front of him.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, it does seem like the cowboys weren't really expecting
like an all out gunfight because they didn't have the
rest of their gang with them, right, like some of
these other people that we had mentioned earlier, like Johnny
Ringo or Frank still Well, the the like corrupt deputy sheriff,
you know, these kind of people. And then also had,

(58:58):
like I said earlier, had their IRPs expected that they
were going to have like this big gunfight, they probably
would have accepted the safety committees help because there were
other gunmen in town that they could have asked for help,
and they didn't. So I think both sides did not
expect this to happen, but the fight kind of as

(59:20):
the fight kind of ended, like a bunch of armed
people did rush out into the streets to like defend
against what they thought might be the cowboys, you know,
coming into town to back up their their friends, which
did not end up happening obviously.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Four days after the shooting, Ike Clanton files
murder charges against Doc Holliday and the IRPs, and a
trial will follow. There's a preliminary hearing on October thirty first,
so what five days later?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Mm hmm, that right.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
The IRPs Hire attorney named Thomas Fitch to represent them,
and like I said it was a difficult trial because
the cowboys have paid so many people to lie, But
ultimately there are witnesses that will corroborate the testimony of
the IRPs, and they are not ultimately charged with murder.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I feel like, yeah, one of the things I mentioned
last time was that like murder charges were actually pretty
hard to stick because they had a lot of these
places at an extremely broad definition of of self defense.

(01:00:43):
And it is actually those proclamations by Ike Clanton that
he was going to kill the herbs that were heard
by eyewitnesses that probably were at least part of why
they were not ultimately charged with murder.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I mean yeah, But in December, specifically December twenty eighth,
the cowboys do get some revenge. They ambush Virgil when
he is walking between saloons on Allen Street, and he
is shot with a shotgun on his left arm and shoulder.
And although he'll survive this wound, he's going to be

(01:01:25):
without the use of that arm for the rest of
his life. And then on March eighteenth of the following year,
Morgan Irp is assassinated gunmen fire through a back door
window of a billiard room while he is playing pool.

(01:01:46):
He is struck on the right side, the bullet shattering.
His spine goes all the way through him and lodges
into the thigh of another patron and he dies about
forty minutes later, and this launches what is known as
the Vendetta Ride. Yeah, do you have anything to say

(01:02:09):
about the Vendetta Ride? Hair Joe?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Well, they you know, they got they got a posse.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah. Wyatt decides to go kind of off the grid.
He's gonna seek justice on his own. He puts together
a posse that includes his brothers James and Warren, Doc Holliday,
Sherman McMaster, a guy whose name is Jack Turkey, Creek
Johnson Johnson. There's also Charles hair Lip, Charlie Smith Texas,

(01:02:40):
Jack Vermilion, and Dan Tipton hair Lip. Uh. He pays
them a little bit, asked them to tasking them with
pursuing the subjects or the suspects. There is a point
where they take Morgan's body to a rail railway station

(01:03:03):
in Benson and apparently I think Virgil was also going
to be on the train to head out of town.
And there is there are assassins waiting for them, and
we know this because Frank Stillwell, one of the cowboys,
ends up being found dead from a shotgun blast the

(01:03:24):
next morning, which came from Wyatt earp at this train station.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Uh yeah, and then oh and issues are warranted are
issued for their arrest. Wyatt and five of the other
members of the posse are indicted for murdering him, and
warrants are are issued for their arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, but again they I think they they get off
without the murder chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Right, they do. A couple of days later, he's going
to stumble upon Uly Bill brociously, the fucking curly Bill,
a couple of other cowboys, and those guys are going
down as well. So he gets his revenge. What I'm

(01:04:13):
not so clear on, Joe, Maybe you can shine light
on this. After all of this and it being you know,
pretty well known that he took his revenge, how do
you not end up going to jail after all that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Who wire Well? Uh? I think it was again the
uh well, first off, they I mean they had some
veneer of of being official because they were lawman, right,
they were deput Marshalls. And then I also think that

(01:04:48):
like the cowboys were also you know, wanted criminals at
that point, too true. I yea, I don't think. I'm
sorry if you mentioned this in here. Ike Clanton was
actually killed much much later in eighteen eighty seven in Springerville, Arizona,

(01:05:13):
while resisting arrest. That was like the last of that gang.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Although there was a fire. You can see this photo
of the Okay Corral like a year after the gunfight,
and most of everything around it is burnt down. There
was a major fire in Tombstone and some people think
that Ike was the one who started it. M that's
like a final act of revenge on the town.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Whyatarp was the oldest survivor of the shootout. He died
in Los Angeles in nineteen twenty nine when he was
eighty year old. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
His so Josephine, she lived in nineteen forty four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah. White Erp lived through like World War One, and like,
can can you imagine, like, oh I just met white Erp.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Oh yeah, those old Western movies from the twenties. He
was a full on consultant. He basically, you know, made
money selling his stories to Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah. Yeah, and he's kind of like, I don't know,
I would say responsible, partly responsible. I mean for like
mythologizing that gunfight and and like this kind of era
in general. In nineteen thirty one, Stuart Lake, who is

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a former press agent for Teddy Roosevelt and also I'm
a writer for Hollywood, interviewed white erp towards the end
of his life, and again in nineteen thirty one he
published a biography called white Or Frontier Marshall. People that

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have had studied this later realized that like a lot
of the sources that he cites are just made up,
like they're not real people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, that's kind of the problem with the stories, is
that like we don't know what's true because he was
kind of sensationalizing himself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah. Later kind of based on that book, there was
a TV series that ran from nineteen fifty five to
nineteen sixty one, and then also during that time, the
most famous was the nineteen fifty seven movie Shootout of

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the OK Corral starring Kirk Douglas as Doc hall Day,
and that was kind of like the movie that cemented
you know this in legend, also the name of it.

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Then there have been like so many different people are
so many different movies about this, and the Henry Fonda
movie my darling Clementine, the James Garner film Hour of
the Gun from nineteen sixty seven, obviously Kurt Russell and
Tombstone white Erp The which came out the following year.

(01:08:31):
And then also I don't remember this movie, wire Irp's
Revenge from twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I don't know that one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
But it's it's weird because it has that stars Kurt Russell.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Really yeah, and Val Kilmer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I mean Val Kilmer. I'm sorry, I said Kurt Russell
and Val Kilmer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Val Kilmer, Valcilmer play is why at IRB.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I know, it's really weird. He's also he's looking a
little big. It's like his cheeks are very his face,
his head it's very big. Yeah, yeah, you know, it
happens to all of us when we get older. But anyway,
it is weird that he played wide.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
There's also an idea that came out in twenty seventeen
called Tombstone Raschuman Oh, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
But obviously this is uh, you know, it's this is
essentially an American legend at this point, and you can
go to Tombstone and they do like live reenactments every
day of you know what we what's our best guess
of what went down during the shootout and that kind
of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
The reason this is called Tombstone, Raschuman, you're familiar with
the movie, Raschimon, right, vaguely. I haven't seen it, but
my understanding it's it's people describing a murder from their perspective,
and this movie is the plot is a film crew
travels back in time to film the gunfight at the
OK Corral. They arrive after the gunfight. However, it can

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only interview those involved, so it probably sucks. But that's
that's why it's called that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Weird m Okay. Yeah, all that is has the shootout
the OK Corral or the shootout on Fremont Street, which
they apparently are very fond of calling it in Tombstone

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because it did not happen at the OK Corral.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah, I gotta say as well. This Wyatt Eart movie
with Kevin Costner, I've never seen it, and I'm not
a big Kevin Costner fan, but interesting cast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I've definitely seen that movie, but I could not tell
you anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Obviously, Kevin Costner's Wyat, but Dennis Quaid is Dot Holliday,
Geene Hackman is Nicholas Rp The Father. Catherine O'Hara is
Ali Erp, Bill Pullman is Ed Masterson, Tom size More
is Bat Masterson.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Dave. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel
like we need to watch both of these movies and
compare them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
I'll watch I'll watch this one too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah, I'll watch it.

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