October 14, 2025 • 64 mins
The Draconian Measures Gamefound campaign has officially come to a close — and what a ride it’s been! In this episode, we break down the highs, the surprises, and what this campaign means for the future of KeyForge. From stretch goals and community response to what’s next for Ghost Galaxy, we’re digging into every last ember of this fiery finale. Tune in for insights, reactions, and our honest take on how Draconian Measures sets the stage for what’s to come in the Crucible.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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talk again? It might maybe.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It's this Windows four machine.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The only thing that might be not updated is Patreon.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm like, yeah, I still have the same i still
have the same description. That's there.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So I was looking at Patreon because I was like, wait,
how many how many scores did we promise people? So
it looks like the answer is thirty per month?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, but that's back when things were going. Obviously we
can read arrange that. Yeah, I think you're good top five.
We can we can figure it out. But I need
you not not on the cat now. We will do
it after the christs. Are you trying to link the
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Patreon and the discord?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, we are me and want to make it happen.
Yeah no, no, me and well, I don't know. Maybe
you're better. You probably are better than me. And Southerly
Elf spent three days trying to do this and never
got it to work. So I had to do it,
which which is taboo.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But I'm gonna do it anyway. And then and then
it's not gonna work, and then I have something to blame,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And all this jazz. It was a pain in the ass.
That's why I'm like, he's trying to link patreonic discord
and it doesn't fucking work. Like for whatever reason, I
always saw him going and like, yeah, trying to get
people registered. That seemed annoying.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I didn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and they have to link their Patreon with
their discord before it'll actually happen. Well, I wasn't. Well,
well we'll see. Maybe maybe you just have the secret sauce,
my guy, that's all I want. But I wanted this
on record because yes, I have updated it. We are
all in there. Everything according to well, I don't know
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what I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Sorry, it's looking at z and cheap.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Well maybe because they've actually done something in their
key for it careers. Das has been Yeah, drash Cords
did something once upon a time.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
He's like, that's right, My locals are better than me.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yea, daz cor is a fairy tale and I still suck,
but I can still drink real good. That's all that
really honestly matters. Right at the end of the day,
We've we've come to we've all come to the real
kith Forge. That's drinking. But what's going on? Everybody? I'm
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the one, the only, the w o okay, I e
joined here by the usual cast of misfits. We got
the drazz Score guys, doctor m Sheep, and the Ewakeyist
of Ewoks.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Hello, Key Fords community, glad to hear this rambling again.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yes, we we do lots of stuff and things. I'm tired,
you're tired.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We really we really don't do stuff and things.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But sometimes we do stuff and things.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I had a buddy cub and we played board games
this evening.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh wild you play.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Kin Fire and uh thunder Road Vendetta.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh I want to play one?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Beat us again in thunder Road.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
This is going terrible for the Brewers. What is going on?
Why is it going to be? Why are we going
to a game five? This is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I think I played thunder Road back in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know, wait, isn't thunder Road that one that we
played at the at the Cold Festival with the bikes
and the cars? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that game is fun.
I didn't when but that game was fun. I enjoyed it.
But lots of news and stuff going on. Evansville is
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this weekend. Who are any y'all going. Drascourt's probably gone,
he's got nothing going on. No, unfortunately, unfortunately not. No,
it does look really cool.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, it's a it is kind of a pain in
the butt to get to if you're not in the area.
If you're like in the area, it's like within two
ish hours of a whole bunch of Midwest cities. So
like one hundred percent get why you know that spot
is getting picked, But if you're not from the area,
(06:45):
getting there is a little bit of a hassle. There's
no direct flights really from from much of anywhere, so
I either have to get a connection or like you know,
stop in one of those other cities, and then I
rent a car and drive there, neither which are appealing. Yeah,
(07:07):
and then it just it's just you know, a lot.
And I just bought two thousand dollars worth of power tokens.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So the talkans entire.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Dragons and exhausta dragons. They're tired super super dragons.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, you know, and it's like my you know, Matt
the getting Boba before uh you know, key for tonight's night,
and I'm there ordering and then I I'm waiting, but
at my phone right and then you know, I get
your American Express bill is already like I am not
clicking on that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh so and then his wife did drive score is
now grounded, I think like a my email address. So
I didn't know you could ground grown men. But here
we are.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Let it happen.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Speaking of the game found, game Found did reach three
hundred one thousand with a little extra, right, Oh, is
that is that the time it took? I was going
to ask if we if they had an official timing
or we got anything.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They posted that it was five hours and fifteen minutes
and how much should they get? Basically they were standing
at it added nearly twelve to the so that wasn't
too bad. And so there were definitely they were really
some people on a c Maybe they was buys Oliver
and helping featureself like people were like egging each other onto.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like buy more.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So of course, probably half that of Sydney buying just
you know is jam dex Oh you think jam about
a whole? Do you think about watch?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And uh zenz z Zenzi bought a bunch of ecks
for stuff I like looked a couple of times and
went I'm not pledged. I could pledge to help out,
And then I kept looking at the rewards and going,
I don't want any of this.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I already own all of this, Like I.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Want one dragon scale deck, and there was nothing else
in the awards, Like I don't really care if I
get a guarantee gigantic deck. I don't care if I
get a full deck. I'm not waiting for a random
full foil deck. M It's just like the truth and
(09:45):
you know, like we keep asking for special prints and whatever,
but there's also this the truth of it where who cares? Right, Like,
you get so many bad decks that have special print
run and they don't mean much. Like I'm in the
process of trying to collect a foil set, so people
out there, if you have boils that you don't care
(10:07):
much about, let me know. But I'm not willing to
pay premium prices for bad foil card decks, right like
I'm willing to pay bulk rate for your bulk rate decks. Sorry,
I mean like hopefully you didn't pay too much for
them when you got them. But yeah, like a bad
(10:28):
deck with a foil I mean, the only card I
even care about and the whole deck is the foil.
The other thirty five cards could almost go in the
trash as far as I'm concerned. They don't sitting in
a box because I'm not a monster.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, it is kind of the problem, right like, and
this is why, Like originally I was like, we wanted foils,
and it is a great idea. However, we need to
be able to, like I don't know that we need
to be able to somehow, some way be able to
besides Sleeves customize our decks while maintaining the that's while
(11:04):
maintaining it. And we've given them a million chances to
be like this is doable. They've never come right out
and be like, this is why this is a doable
So I don't I still don't understand why it's not doable.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, right, letting us proxy into our deck would be cool,
but enhancements makes it messy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Enhancements does make it messy, which you know you.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Just say, well, you can't proc proxy and enhanced card
too darn bad, Like that's just part of life, right Like,
I don't see why you couldn't proxy in a non
enhanced card if you had one because of sleeves. But yeah,
they just they just don't let us because functionally, even
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the foil cards are sort of proxies, right, they were
printed on a separate print run and then set in
the deck, replacing the card that it was supposed to be.
So I guess, but I mean I've never looked, but
even when you feel those foil cards, you sometimes can
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tell which card is foil and a foil deck when
you shuffle it if it isn't sleeved, not just because
of the curve, but because the cut can be just
just a little bit different. It has a little bit
like of a different embossed edge feeling to it and
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I guess it a little thicker, it could.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Be that might be what I'm feeling. So yeah, I mean, like, yes,
foils in this stuff, making them making it so we
can put it in decks that we actually play would
would be nice. And if it's going to be not
about putting the fancy cards in the decks you have
to play, then they have to open one of these
(12:51):
awful formats. Everybody else or some loud small minority is
asking for like a.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't know, you're very vocal on ac they are,
you think I don't know what else away.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, because only people that disturbed are swoop sticking around
in general, like, everybody's still in key Forge has got
something wrong in their brain, whether it's something like adaptive
or whatever's wrong with us, right, but something wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My daddy never came home with the milk.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah right, so but yeah, like it is a little
disappointing to some extent. You know, I've collected one of
every back of everything I've mad able to get my
hands on, and now I'm collecting a bunch of foils,
and outside of having pretties to look at, they're functionally worthless.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And monetarily and monetarily, so I would be really if
you look at my.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Collection, it's worth negative twenty two dollars. You would have
to pay the shipping to give this to somebody.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's probably less than that. I don't want to burst
your path.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Like, yeah, my collection of miss lay stuff, you would
have to pay the shipping to get somebody your ticket.
I don't think somebody would pay the shipping to have it.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'd say I would, but I'm so close I probably wouldn't. Well,
the real question is if like how many full foil
decks that they sell. I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I will be annoyed if the back of the
full foil decks look different in anyway, because that is
something I've been collecting. But even that, I'm sure I'll
be able to get a crappy full foil for cheap
cheap enough.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sure you will. I just still, you know it's again,
it's something we've talked about many, many times. I don't
understand why I even messaged Jeremy whatever I tell to him.
I was like, here's another free idea for me. Hands,
ye tiny hands, I said, here's another free, easy idea
(15:06):
for you. I don't know how easy it would be,
but deck name changes. I want my favorite love deck
to have blah blah blah call sign in it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Hm, that's a back end database change thing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah. Again, don't know how easy that would be.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, I know I will they want.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't know that. I know a lot of people
that would probably pay about one hundred dollars to get
their favorite deck's name change to something with their call
sign in it. I would make your name.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
You know, Wookie is going to get a deck that
just says butt spots butts.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep, but spots butts Butts likely would have to review it.
Right now, there is a.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Funny a funny thing in my mentality and mind you,
I have a relatively low value of things that are
algorithmically generated key Forge and the fact that it is
unique in some way makes it value, you know, like
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you know how people are. They're like, oh, every deck's unique,
you gotta keep it. I don't care about that. I
don't care about the names. But something about naming the
deck after it's generated feels raw. It just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, it's like on the same level as Alliance, right,
just not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What You've never adopted a pattern changed its name, It
just kept the size.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No, definitely adopted changed his name.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The same thing, not the same thing. It's the same
thing now.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, because it's like a created identity.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Adopt a human child and change their name.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Here's the thing. I've never got a rescue dog and
changed back to make it so the previous owner couldn't
track it. Are you equating humans the key Forge decks?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know? Do you have a collection of humans in
your basement or what is there? Do we need to
make a phone call or my basement's great, just come
check it. Out. I promise pretty soon you'll see it.
It was local man as collection of humans in his basement.
Oh oh, butts written at its forehead. I don't know.
(17:47):
I just I thought a name change. Like I think
there'd be plenty of people out there that would pay
I said, fifty to one hundred dollars to change the
name on a deck.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I don't like, so like, I don't like the idea.
I don't like it because.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So do you know what? Do you know what I
would do with that? I know what I would do
with that. You would do something not yes, I would
intentionally like borrow Aria or something from x ray. I
would borrow something from x ray, x ray. Let me
play Browning. Oh you need to transfer to me ownership
for some reason, right because we're not for I don't know.
(18:29):
And then then while I own it, rename it with
a trolling name, and then give it back to them.
That's what I would use that feature for, is I
would really people's to horrible things and give it back.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
That's like if you're if you're like going back through
the pages of history of key Forge, and you're like,
let me go find gas Mask gas Max.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now it's named and now it's named Compacted d.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
H exactly like that, right, Like, I don't know, Aria
Pylon Genius. That is not an amazing name. It's a
fine name, but like to just go and change it
feels like you're cheapening the the beauty of the unique
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deck concept.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But I also wouldn't care if other people did it,
Like I'm not whatever, It's not something I would do.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Again, I'm the only way somebody would. Somebody would buy
a deck from me, and then I would spend the
money to change the name before I ship into I
would ever see doing with it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Sell deck to JML and change the name to the
best Master Rule us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, this is the only way I see using this.
Well because I'm a child.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, well fine, speaking of printing decks and changing their names,
but you can't change your names. Will call decks now,
will call clone decks. So you are able to have
(20:26):
some decks printed up if you're looking for to pick
up some decks and pick them up at your friendly
local gaming store in Minnesota, i e. The Game center
at key Forge Celebration. Is there a discount for this
or I just don't have to pay shipping.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Oh, you don't have to pay shipping, which because that
I don't think a discount.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Is it guaranteed to be ready for me by the
time I get to the games center? If that's the yes,
I don't like that last time.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, that's the thing they shouldn't screw gg promise. Yeah
sometimes I would sometimes of shit, but like, this is
the sort of promise you really have to keep. If
somebody's like, I'm gonna show up without a deck because
it's waiting there for me, and they're like oops, Like no,
(21:21):
I disagree with persons demanding a refund.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And imagine if that deck that's your deck you're playing
in one of the opens.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I disagree about that. I mean, you can honestly see
they have a they have a cutoff date. It is
October twenty six, and so with that one hundred percent
they will be able to make sure happy there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's gonna be there's only gonna be thirty five cards
in your reprint deck. What did you do? It's happier
deck and half somebody else's deck.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, I will say that Joshua I hadn't talked
about this, and it is really to try and get
around individuals who are showing up at tournaments and they
don't have ownership. In order to get it printed, you
have to have ownership. So I don't know. I like
this feature. I think it's a great feature. And if
it allows some people, or even if it's just one person,
I still think that's better for.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The internationals that are coming, or even the friend internationals
who have friends that are going. Because the Internet, I
can only imagine what the cost is to ship a
clone deck internationally.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sure, I would also argue, I would also argue if
you're getting a if you're getting a deck from someone
who is international, it's much easier to transition that digitally
and then have it there for pickup.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So yes, also, and you don't have to play it.
And that language I still remember at a time there,
at one point in time, they are telling me that
all my decks had to be in the language of
the tournament, which would have been English.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That that was a lie rule book. Right, No, that's
not in the rule book. We looked the not the
rule book, the whatever t RG Yeah, rules guidelines. It
has to be in the language of the tournament organizer
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accepts or whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Right, which didn't wasn't I want to say, was Spain
exercise that rule?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I remember that correct TV? No TV because they don't
have it. Okay, so it wasn't a language.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Okay, well and it Yeah it wasn't maybe because it
wasn't Spanish, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, they were angry at Sheep last year for taking seconds,
so they're like, if it's not in Spanish, you don't
get to play it. Get out which turn in the
low turnout?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah? Well past your asses? Also, that wasn't there either
wash yeah, pastor ass one?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh did it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's what beat me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh no, I'm saying this year, not last year. Now
this year, yeah, not last year? All right, next, you're
so friendly today, just like mm hmmm, i'll see Q changes.
(24:37):
Previously it was going to be CE see it is
now sealed prophetic visions. That's what you'll be playing. Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I did not ask for this, for this change myself, alight.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So I did submit email, But this is not what
I asked for.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
This is not what you had in mind.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I'd rather I would.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Rather play CC no powers. I think that would have
been good.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Oh yeah, no powers for sure. But but we knew
that that wasn't gonna happen, just except that.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You added something to the game that didn't need to
be there and just say Okay, we're not we're not
going to use it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, but they're not. There's no way they're going to
do that, right, So, because that would be admitting that.
So what eyes met and they should do VM twenty
five because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Everybody, but they don't have any and they're not going
to print more.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
They could, they could do special, They could just run
when they do these clone decks.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Just there was a lot of rumors talk about fifty
boxes is the minimum print run is what I saw.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He owns the freaking company.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
There's not Yeah box and the man says fifty box,
this is the minimum.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But they don't. So they don't when they print these
clone decks. There's no way they print fifty boxes worth right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
The different way just a special difference between clone decks,
and that is packaging. Now, yep, they wouldn't. They don't
actually need to package the VM twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
They're just putting in.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Hey, I'm not just saying what I saw people talking about,
but I think if one hundred and fifty people came
and they printed fifty If that's all it was, was
fifty more boxes and a third of that's going to
be used as the pre sold sealed, I don't think
they'd have any problem selling approximately a third of a
(26:45):
box to every other player that's there. You know, if that,
you know, if they printed fifty four and said, you know,
we only have fifty more boxes as much as used
for the sealed and the rest of it's for, I
don't I don't think they would have a problem selling that.
It can AFC.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, so fifty I don't even if fifty right, if
fifty boxes is the real number, I don't know it
is six. Let's pretend it is like, let's pretend like
we know things, because that's what we normally do. So
this is six hundred decks, right.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And you figure three one hundred and fifty people actually
showed up. Four hundred and fifty of those decks would
already be gone in the LCQ. Yeah, that's only one
hundred and fifty decks left to sell. It's only one
per person. Just make it the goodie bag deck and
they're all gone already.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Are we already getting Vault Master twenty four in a
goodie Bag Deck.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Twenty Yeah, twenty four, not twenty five twenty four because
they still have a lunch of twenty four because it
didn't sell as well because the set was good set
quater they you know, like, I get that it's hard
to judge set quality early.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I get that that's not easy.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
But they should be trying. They should be striving to
understand them, not be like, wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Set quality is important?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Like we thought, we thought just making something neat and
exclusive would make it valuable. That works for Magic the Gathering.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, except the problem is is normally when Magic the
Gathering is all something expensive, it's not only unique and exclusive,
it's also powerful.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A bunch of that treasure stuff, isn't that secret layers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's a lot of special treatment stuff with Yeah, but
a lot of that is powerful stuff. But some some
of that is also like Sonic the Hedgehog's it's also
like a third party. Uh ips that nine times out
(29:06):
of ten, like when they did all the Lord of
the Rings stuff. So I'm sure a lot of Lord
of the Rings guys who are really into Lord of
the Rings bought it up. So yeah, I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But yeah, so they need to make a Lord of
the Forge.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Lord of the Rings game in their art and they're
already with Magic, so.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So I know some people would hate yeah, but I did.
I do feel like if Magic hadn't argued on it, it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Would have fit in really well with the Goofy Like listen,
anything really kind of fits into this game, right that, well, yeah,
that's how they did it, right.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So, I mean, I think they do like Hannah Barbara
World and.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You could definitely get an ip and kind of slap
it in this game.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Right about talking about thunder Road Vendetta before, Like we
need like freaking like Mad Max, right.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
A Mad Max house.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You could do a Mad Max style set.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It doesn't even have to be officially Mad Max, right,
all right, Louk, get on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Just a Mad Max style just.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Like make vehicles actually good.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
A house that really is into yeah, vehicles and going fast, yeah,
just pedal, pedal all to the metal speed freak orcs
yeah or yeah, it could be like an Orcish type deal.
And but every now and then to go boom.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Like all of all of the factions from Warhammer would
fit just fine in.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
The but already done by Magic. I'm awaited magic already scooped.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Not really, they just did a few cards. I guess
they did a load of the Ring set, but.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
A lot of those I don't know where the licenses lie, right,
and I we can't get them to figure out to
spend a few bucks.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, people don't advertise.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Could you couldn't you imagine one going hey, how much
to use the Warhammer forty k ip and then immediately
watch CTP of a Stroke.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I think when they originally designed the key Ford
DWorld and the weak storyline that exists, have that in
mind though, where they're like, hey, if this is really
good and we get you know, when we buy licenses
or get licenses to make them in card games, we
can stick anything into this game without making it a
(31:52):
third party set, you know, like some games where they'll
do that, they're like, oh, here's the base game and
oh here's a themed version. They're not really meant to
be mixed. Where in key Forge you still doesn't matter.
But any theme and just been like there's a house
go maybe one? Yeah, right, and maybe it only ever
(32:12):
shows up in one set and you never see it again,
But who really cares because functionally that doesn't matter We'll.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Have a storyline event that you think you have power
on that you actually don't go that.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'm telling you that is just good storytelling, a good
dungeon mastering, game mastering.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Dah dungeon mass.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You have to believe you have free will.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, you don't actually have to the rails you have
free will? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Anyway, Uh, the three three point five million deck, that's right,
we've crossed the three million, fived thousand mark of decks registered.
That's right on on the master vault. That's crazy, is it? Yep?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
True that it's only thirty one thousand TV decks.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
We didn't dig that.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Thaters.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't know how would we even figure that outd okay, right.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We do have.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Walk back go I choose you?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, thirty thousand second Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Thirty thousand, five hundred seventy three TV decks in d
ok right now, okay, which is there's only seventeen hundred
pc how many discovery Actually this is an interesting question.
Seven there's only two thousand, three hundred thirty nine Discovery decks. Wow,
(34:01):
because although I guess these are folks who aren't well,
but now that I'm saying that this is targeting a
population who may not be scanning their decks, so that's
probably underrepresenting more than other sets.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Probably that Now, how the hell does that even work?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How the hell is what even work? So you get
a deck.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Thirty one camera the decks, okay to the camera two.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The last game found was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, right, Like,
there were ten so five grand of that was was
just for the art. So that's two hundred and forty
five thousand. The average price of the deck during that
(34:58):
game found was something like eight and a half bucks.
I think, where are you going with this? I guess
that would mean up somewhere around twenty five twenty six
thousand dollars decks. Twenty five thousand decks were sold during
the game found. That that sounds high actually, but maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
There's a lot of game found decks that I think
that also aren't opened yet either.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, but they're only thirty one thousand, so if and
we know it's not one hundred percent, but that means
there's only like five or six thousand decks through retail.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
By like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Looking at a bad a bad way of looking at it.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean, we still don't know scan rates really.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Right, And that's that's actually what I'm wondering. I'm like,
how bad are scan rates?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I mean, how many decks do you scan? What percentage
do you scan that you open sheep?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I scan nearly one hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Really, m he doesn't keep the decks, but he skins.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I don't add him the decks of ty Forge.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
In my mind, I still find decks in bags and
I'm like, why the hell is there a decade here
without back? And she goes like, oh, I brought this
to some event sheep was nearby.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
If sheep's nearby, you might find her.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Sometimes sometimes that will be so bad I won't even
bother scanning it, but I would say I'm ninety percent
scan right.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You Walk, I screwed up my mission, by the way,
Uh the mission I told you about, you Walk, I.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Messed that up.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Sorry, man, we had a deal. I know, I forget,
I forgive you.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
My thought is what I'm just coming up with. The
math I am looking at is so there's thirty one
thousand decks, but let's just use that as our number.
What do you think the average SCR scan rate on
decks is? Now, it's gotta be higher than the fifty
percent it used to be.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Just because the people who are playing are.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Because the people who are still sixty five.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Higher maybe I don't know, Okay, okay, sixty five That
puts us at forty seven thousand and six ninety two
decks they make what do you think they make a deck?
Five six bucks?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
The world will never know, like actual money they can make. Yeah, well,
if you say.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Five dollars, that's two hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars.
That's revenue approximate, approximate, and then out of that fifty
grand goes to Josh, fifty grand goes to Luke.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Excuse me, sir, Josh fifty.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Whatever, twenty thousand dollars goes to other people that do
key forge work. That's one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars
left before company, before stuff is taxed, lights are turned on,
(38:27):
you know, Like wow, Now like it's this should still
be then text, right, because we're saying you make about
five bucks a deck that includes you paid well, I
don't know, maybe that even should include the cost of
the employees. Who knows, and it's hard to say what
that number is looking at all those but just when
(38:48):
you get down to it, and there isn't there's definitely
not hundreds of thousands of key Forge dollars to spend
on doing things. There might be, there might be tens
of thousands.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I mean, that's probably why they reduce the number of
like custom decks you can get in a campaign, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And then uh yeah, and then you know, Peterson's got
to make his next boat payment, so yeah, there's.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
He's probably losing money.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Honestly, maybe what do you think is that is.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I'm just I'm just looking at the economics, you know,
like I start to see this and I go, well, yeah,
you know, like you can understand why they make decisions
that don't cost the company significant amounts of money, and
you know, like you start looking at these numbers, four
or five, ten grand is not insignificant number of dollars potentially.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean that can make or break your profitability
for the year.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
He's got to sell this company in seven years, how considered.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I don't know that he does, Like he's kind of
his he's good, right, well, but he has he made
his money. He's doing this because he actually likes it.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Or he wants to make more money. Yeah, he's sure,
but you know, there are a lot of people that
are that way.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
But if you would be.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Strange Stars next time, Eric.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That there would be a whole different, whole different jam. Yeah,
he owns the games Enter too, But that's that's a
whole different ball away, Like that's a totally different that's
a totally different uh line item on the Strange Stars.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I don't even know if that's in that family now,
it might not be. Yeah, the the inner business workings
of all that is is all very mysterious and murky, and.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
One's got to run ass so he doesn't have to
pay taxes.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well, but then you have to. Yeah, there's all sorts
of rules how he set up very operations and I
don't pretend to understand them, but yeah, which ones you
can run without.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Making a profit? Which one's like.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, who knows certain one.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
But I don't think they're making money, right, So I
would say they're making I would say they're doing okay.
I don't think they're like raking it in right like
a suckers.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, I mean clearly they're making enough to pay the employees,
doing okay and keep CTP interested, right, which is why
we get to keep having sets because once one of
those things doesn't happen, Bill's not paid or CTP board,
then uh, you know, maybe this doesn't carry on another thing.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, then we go down.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well we're going there anyways, but well we're not.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
You know, it's listening to us fools that keeps them going, right,
It's like that it is. But if I keep rid
of this game, those boards will keep talking.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah we should. We should reintroduce you to CTP this year.
Be like, oh this is Das car.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Well did I tell you about the time I don't know,
I find.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Something on the cast told me one time you're in Rochester?
What was that last year? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I think so. Like I saw him at the bar,
like at the hotel before. So I went over and
like said hi to him and started talking to him,
and uh, like Josh comes, Its like, oh, this is
dress Corps. To be like, just realize who you're talking to.
So you a nice move, Josh, to help your boss
(42:42):
out what conversation. Enjoy This is Dras Corps. So that
you say to this fool is basically what Josh was saying.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
He's the next one that can make or break your game.
Found camp Fit campaign I mean not act. No, No,
some people think we have that kind of power. It's
not true, any of it. Unlike Star Wars, it's not
if you have no power. We have no power. People
(43:15):
listen to you and they're like, yeah, not on the
good ship. It's always the bad stuff they listened to
us on. Right, Well, no, I mean, I don't know.
I guess you guys aren't as excited about I'm well again,
I would have been more than happy with CC with
no ARCon powers, because the CC set itself is pretty fine, right,
(43:40):
there's nothing inherently like to busted in it except for
the damn ARCon powers. So I would have been more
than okay with just no CC with no powers. But
I guess we're going to prophetic visions.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I'm finely, It's just it's just two days in a row.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I think that that is the That is what we
were talking about at Local Cheap. Is that because it's
back to back days, that's where it hits a little
bit harder. Where Yes, I agree about that.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
At least you're finishing each day out before you start
the next, so it's not like you're like starting the
next day and your brain's still on your like, you know,
final cut neck from the previous day, and you're starting
to make decisions and you're like, ah, even that people
are gonna do that, They're gonna have the same house.
They're like, Oh, all I need to do is draw
my d to be like, oh crap, that was yesterday.
I had that garden.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Oh no, I don't have grafted my whole deck. I'm
not even playing ship.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I have not getting this set. Just me that's had that,
that had that experience, got it all right, Wookie? Wookie,
you wants to talk about Belgian nationals?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, rehab about this.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Week that was the Dutch.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, so we had Dutch nationals, but Dutch Belgium.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
I mean, these things are the same.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
So what was interesting is last weekend was October fourth, fifth,
so you had both Belgium nationals and Italian nationals. I
did not actually see anything for Italian nationals. I don't
know if it was just me. I was trying to
look around.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I just want to go on the record right now.
The only we told we said on this show, if
you want your own little section, let us know. The
only people who spoke up the Canadians, So they got
their own section just saying, just saying Canadians.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Nosy Canadians.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Hey, that's fine. They said they wanted their own section.
They got even though like they got their own section
like days before their nationals. But either way, they wanted
their own sect. They got the right sections.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
That got to be a very active channel for a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah they got they got their own section, which is fine.
It's cool and they had fun in it, so I
got to blow that up down.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
But regardless, congrats to Ellie Mack, who is your Arkhan
national champion for Belgium and is bet for your Belgian
Alliance national champion. I was trying to find more information there,
but I did not see anything for the Italian, which
is interesting. Shut out. No, actually Belgium and yeah go ahead.
(46:34):
Belgian and Italian are not updated just yet. But I
will say that Hong Kong is coming up this weekend,
so last minute flight guys, Hong Kong on October twelve.
M Evansville. That's what I was gonna say, Just go
to Avansze, which I would definitely go. Unfortunately, I'm velmed.
(46:55):
Evansville is now out for me as my two kids
have both gotten sick. We had one out the last
three days and one went vomited everywhere today. I hope
you feel about it. No, not not nice when it's
at school.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
So Belgian Nationals only like six or eight people.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I was trying to I had more information, I had it.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Marked, and I'm looking at some pictures of it in
the NKFL server and they're saying little national event in
Belgian today starting with ARCon and there are pictures of
like maybe eight players mm hmmm nine nine in Alliance
(47:42):
and nine in ARCon, so.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
The same nine yeah, nine in sealed. See these are
the type of events I need to go to. You
can get my sealed invite, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So state Yeah, top four ARCon where Eli mac Gi,
Latinos Antonio and then is fat You.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Know what would be nice if those because here there's.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Here's the UK national.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And nine and nine an Alliance. Uh was actually more
than the Canadian Nationals, right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
For Alliance. Canadian Nationals was small this year.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Well, Canadian Nationals for Alliance only had five because they
staggered it and you had multiple players who were going
to play but were too oh for sealed and so
they kept playing and sealed.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Mm hmm yeah yeah yeah. So there was the UK
Nationals too, which conta Kelly and Battel. It looks like
we're second and first for Alliance and Colosi and Fire
and Stuart. Maybe we're ARCon. It's hard to tell for sure.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You're saying for UK UK was September twenty sixth through
twenty eight, so that arkonnor kind of actually has ever.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Even touched on that one?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Did we Which one one.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Of those days that wasn't paying attentional?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah? The ARCon was, Yeah, mister Slogan's your runner up
was Callos and then for Alliance, Yeah, what is it?
Yas Kimagen as your champion and then Konsie Kelly for
runner up and then Jim twenty three thirty for Sealeds
(49:33):
runner up. You know, yeah, new names there actually, Actually,
I will argue United Kingdom had some of the better
nationals here twenty six, twenty five and thirty pretty good. No, yeah,
that's much better. You're also again being able to play
them on different days, I think helps.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well. I did just reach out to our Italian to
see if I can get any information on Italy.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
That's right, we have an Italian. We've got a couple
of them, don't we.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Then looking at Sweden, I don't think we talked Sweden either, boys,
because that would have been the twenty six, twenty eighth
of September as well.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Maybe I don't know, ye know, I'm looking at the
deck that won our con deck that won UK. The
footman that purchases the church, which is a great name, right,
and if you just made that up and type it
church cool, right, but atrocity right, seeing some atrocity, double foreseer,
(50:39):
triple parallel thinking. Okay, but the cyberclone is nice. The
double chummy is is pretty nice, with the dispipped miasma
is pretty nice. It's got the guess what house I'm
thinking of the prophecy, right, which is and yeah and
(51:03):
signs point yes right, so yeah, the guess what house
I'm thinking of is the way to win the game
right by Randa luck right, it's pretty often so it's
got that right, That's pretty important. Um, so it seems solid.
(51:28):
We'll give to Ember. Dramatic echo.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, it seems solid.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Doesn't seem oppressive, but.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But solid to me.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Mhmm, Well it's got some see Gouda Gras cyber clone
double give to Ember. Yeah, brutal consequences.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
God, no, I got nothing. I'm uh, I'm ready to
put a ball on this. I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Not going shadows tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
We've gone fits an hour already.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
All right, Yeah, I will say I will say while
we're here, because we didn't cover it. Our counter candidate
actually does have the write up for or has who's
listed for Sweden? So Sweden nationals ran twenty six to
twenty eighth, and you have Candika. Actually you have both
Jonas and Christopher, and that was your ARCon winner. So
(52:31):
birth first and second, and then Alliance you had Christopher
and Jonas and then for sealed we're seeing and Jonas,
look at that. That's clean? Sweet?
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Was there two people at it?
Speaker 1 (52:47):
No, there was ten, four and ten respectively, so ten total.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Four for Alliance, four for Alliance, even when's your only choice. Nah.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, weird how we still have for Las Vegas, Like
there's a deck in here for Las Vegas and our
kind kind of.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
I mean there's definitely a link of the eight.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I'm not an Alliance decks. I got our conde.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
You know what, it turns out there's nobody that's interested
in trying to collect the alliance information like live at
the event.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
It's just such a trying to fucking judge.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Well, that's when he releases the article. They'll be in
the article.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
What article?
Speaker 3 (53:50):
When they do the recap article?
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Did we not recap? Uh?
Speaker 4 (53:56):
When g G.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Rights there article, then they will release the deck list.
The stuff that's in there right now is what we
collected on the.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Ground as collected. Have we not done an article on Vegas?
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
So really released one? No they didn't.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You can go that's that's easy enough to be able
to check for it's not there.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
So I mean, well, I will go ahead, and.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
I've been kind of busy with this game found thing
we're getting ready for, getting ready for.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
The world results from certain Darkness. Do we know the
results of this are the results? No?
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yeah, we're doing another one in uh what you.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Can report all of this month? So I have to
still report this now where we we are going to
run and report more.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yeah, speaking of which I got to create a signup
link for.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I will go ahead and say that it was a
shame just the stream for Vegas that ARCon did not
get the attention that it needed. We desperately run two
separate streams or have them so that you can go
ahead and.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Or can push whatever agenda they want. And they want
to keep pushing Alliance as the premiere format. They don't
want to make it a thing, so they're gonna shove
it down you.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I don't I don't think that was the reason I
think that they were. I don't think that was the
reason why it was shown over Arkon for Vegas.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
But they start because they I think it's because they
had they started Top four.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Right yes, for Alliance, and they thought that it would
be finished early, and instead it ran very and Arkon
was what finished quicker.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah. Yeah, in my experience, it's not a we're trying
to push it type deal. It's well, we can get
them both and then it just either it happens or
it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
I mean, the short answer is.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
The timing doesn't link up, right.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's where.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
The short answer is that we just have, especially at
these top tables, we need to be able to show
the games and get any publicity out there. So record it.
Go ahead. You can pour it in into two separate
streams if you need to.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Even if it's you can do the same screen picture
and picture. I mean, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
There's already not enough room to see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, well, I mean that's why I was saying that
you can click on which one.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
You want maybe this time.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
And if they wanted to record two games, they would
have to bring twice as many cameras and recording setups.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
It's literally another why frame and another expender in another camera.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Would we just talk about how the's going to spend
any more money.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I don't think they spent any money on this setup
in the first place. I think this is just what
Josh has already owns.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
Last week, did you guys talk about this? Uh? Davidy
Bourne and Fish previews?
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, he ran through all the previous I didn't think
you're going to.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
I just want to add I've just went through them
and this is sad and miserable looking in my mind
it is.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I believe we already said that it was question by
two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, you you just bought. You just bought tired Fish
and boring sky thing East Yep, good job. H I
mean they could still put the good cards in. They
could still sneak befunneling, could well.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
I mean we we thought it looked TV looked bad,
but then it turned out.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
The right house. Well hold on, oh no, this will
site got a full art nerman.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, Abistle site fine, But I tell you what, Abistle
site without bonus token creature generation is not as exciting
of a card because it has a higher cost, because
it's functionally costing you a full mother card every time,
(58:22):
where traditionally in the Senate was in you could pitch
a low value token.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
How was it Abiso site not transpar Look at this
lady's legs. Her legs do not match her towards the
rest of her body. Her legs go all the way
to the bottom of that card. Look at where her
knees are. How was that not the one that like,
(58:52):
everyone's like that looks funny? It was a Bistle site.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Well, it's it's the there's like certain artifacts that are
common in.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
I mean honestly, like and yeah, even like this just
looks like extended art. And then they did like it's
starry night background. Same thing with like against a flags
that just looks like a boom background. This one definitely.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I'm looking at these full art cards for the first
time myself. Actually, I've never bother look at this article
either for before today and the bonus icons not having
the little like feater in this there's gonna be a
card where you're just not going to see that, like
that counterfeit controversy card with the discard Pip right there
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and you're not even gonna see it. Just get out
because even the one with the damage Pip, the Sir Lorcus,
the damage Pip almost blends in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I don't know some of those. Some of those are
gonna be hard.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Well again. And then get ready to call it. Judge,
are you ready? You got Judge, You got your Judge
Colin voice ready, Judge, Judge, Judge.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, while you're there, I will say good luck to
anyone who is able to make it to Evansville. I'm
totally jealous. Remember you can still support online. And if
you get the chance, if anyone is listening over in
Hong Kong, good luck in your nationals. I believe that
is the last one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh and I.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Need I need uh, I need a VM five deck
from the China Vault tour. So yeah, somebody think of me.
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
If yeah, you're thinking about Evansville, check out on our
discord the uh crazy video of the trophy.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Whirlpool regiously cool.
Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yeah, the world.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
You know what it would have been better.
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
That spins like it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Could have been slightly better is if the bottom of
that whirlpool fed into a shredder. We could feed cards
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
You feed adaptive decks and there. I feel like that's
how we should.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
You were supposed to make that event you said you
were going to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I guess I still can't.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Right, No, it's all closed, man, whatever we we are actually.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Registration closed.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yes, the community events have been closed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
But oh just send it, Josh, but you can't put
me in for shredder. Just put it down support at GIGI.
Just put it, just write it down, give me a day,
just DM me slide into my DMS. Josh.
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I will say, I am very very appreciative that Josh
and others worked on getting the clones. So it was
a great idea, Josh. I know this one is your baby,
but by October twenty six, so you have a couple
of weeks there, but not not that long. But they
will be at will call for cloning decks. So I
appreciate it, Josh, and I know a lot others will
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as well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Don't forget to slide in my DMS, Josh. Either way,
it doesn't matter. If we're not going to do a shredder,
go ahead to slide in my DMS. We got anything else,
We're going into them. If not, I'm going night night just.
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Running shredder without it being uh official. Seems seems like
a plan too.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, we can't. We could do that too. We could
just be over in the corner somewhere. We're those weird
key Forge kids who eat our shudder cards. It seems fair,
but all right, Well that'll do it for us this week.
We'll see you all next week.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Happy forging everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Hey, the Forge be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I'm going to sads.
Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
No dying, no disease, no big mercyngiones.
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
No gun, no MOVI. Welcome to you.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Again, acts it doesn't know Jesus in California, Samacon
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm like, yeah, I still have the same i still
have the same description. That's there.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So I was looking at Patreon because I was like, wait,
how many how many scores did we promise people? So
it looks like the answer is thirty per month?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, but that's back when things were going. Obviously we
can read arrange that. Yeah, I think you're good top five.
We can we can figure it out. But I need
you not not on the cat now. We will do
it after the christs. Are you trying to link the
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Patreon and the discord?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
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Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, we are me and want to make it happen.
Yeah no, no, me and well, I don't know. Maybe
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Elf spent three days trying to do this and never
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which which is taboo.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
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it's not gonna work, and then I have something to blame,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And all this jazz. It was a pain in the ass.
That's why I'm like, he's trying to link patreonic discord
and it doesn't fucking work. Like for whatever reason, I
always saw him going and like, yeah, trying to get
people registered. That seemed annoying.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I didn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and they have to link their Patreon with
their discord before it'll actually happen. Well, I wasn't. Well,
well we'll see. Maybe maybe you just have the secret sauce,
my guy, that's all I want. But I wanted this
on record because yes, I have updated it. We are
all in there. Everything according to well, I don't know
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what I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Sorry, it's looking at z and cheap.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Well maybe because they've actually done something in their
key for it careers. Das has been Yeah, drash Cords
did something once upon a time.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
He's like, that's right, My locals are better than me.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yea, daz cor is a fairy tale and I still suck,
but I can still drink real good. That's all that
really honestly matters. Right at the end of the day,
We've we've come to we've all come to the real
kith Forge. That's drinking. But what's going on? Everybody? I'm
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the one, the only, the w o okay, I e
joined here by the usual cast of misfits. We got
the drazz Score guys, doctor m Sheep, and the Ewakeyist
of Ewoks.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Hello, Key Fords community, glad to hear this rambling again.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yes, we we do lots of stuff and things. I'm tired,
you're tired.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We really we really don't do stuff and things.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But sometimes we do stuff and things.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I had a buddy cub and we played board games
this evening.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh wild you play.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Kin Fire and uh thunder Road Vendetta.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh I want to play one?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Beat us again in thunder Road.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
This is going terrible for the Brewers. What is going on?
Why is it going to be? Why are we going
to a game five? This is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I think I played thunder Road back in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know, wait, isn't thunder Road that one that we
played at the at the Cold Festival with the bikes
and the cars? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that game is fun.
I didn't when but that game was fun. I enjoyed it.
But lots of news and stuff going on. Evansville is
(06:14):
this weekend. Who are any y'all going. Drascourt's probably gone,
he's got nothing going on. No, unfortunately, unfortunately not. No,
it does look really cool.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, it's a it is kind of a pain in
the butt to get to if you're not in the area.
If you're like in the area, it's like within two
ish hours of a whole bunch of Midwest cities. So
like one hundred percent get why you know that spot
is getting picked, But if you're not from the area,
(06:45):
getting there is a little bit of a hassle. There's
no direct flights really from from much of anywhere, so
I either have to get a connection or like you know,
stop in one of those other cities, and then I
rent a car and drive there, neither which are appealing. Yeah,
(07:07):
and then it just it's just you know, a lot.
And I just bought two thousand dollars worth of power tokens.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So the talkans entire.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Dragons and exhausta dragons. They're tired super super dragons.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, you know, and it's like my you know, Matt
the getting Boba before uh you know, key for tonight's night,
and I'm there ordering and then I I'm waiting, but
at my phone right and then you know, I get
your American Express bill is already like I am not
clicking on that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh so and then his wife did drive score is
now grounded, I think like a my email address. So
I didn't know you could ground grown men. But here
we are.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Let it happen.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Speaking of the game found, game Found did reach three
hundred one thousand with a little extra, right, Oh, is
that is that the time it took? I was going
to ask if we if they had an official timing
or we got anything.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They posted that it was five hours and fifteen minutes
and how much should they get? Basically they were standing
at it added nearly twelve to the so that wasn't
too bad. And so there were definitely they were really
some people on a c Maybe they was buys Oliver
and helping featureself like people were like egging each other onto.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like buy more.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So of course, probably half that of Sydney buying just
you know is jam dex Oh you think jam about
a whole? Do you think about watch?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And uh zenz z Zenzi bought a bunch of ecks
for stuff I like looked a couple of times and
went I'm not pledged. I could pledge to help out,
And then I kept looking at the rewards and going,
I don't want any of this.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I already own all of this, Like I.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Want one dragon scale deck, and there was nothing else
in the awards, Like I don't really care if I
get a guarantee gigantic deck. I don't care if I
get a full deck. I'm not waiting for a random
full foil deck. M It's just like the truth and
(09:45):
you know, like we keep asking for special prints and whatever,
but there's also this the truth of it where who cares? Right, Like,
you get so many bad decks that have special print
run and they don't mean much. Like I'm in the
process of trying to collect a foil set, so people
out there, if you have boils that you don't care
(10:07):
much about, let me know. But I'm not willing to
pay premium prices for bad foil card decks, right like
I'm willing to pay bulk rate for your bulk rate decks. Sorry,
I mean like hopefully you didn't pay too much for
them when you got them. But yeah, like a bad
(10:28):
deck with a foil I mean, the only card I
even care about and the whole deck is the foil.
The other thirty five cards could almost go in the
trash as far as I'm concerned. They don't sitting in
a box because I'm not a monster.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, it is kind of the problem, right like, and
this is why, Like originally I was like, we wanted foils,
and it is a great idea. However, we need to
be able to, like I don't know that we need
to be able to somehow, some way be able to
besides Sleeves customize our decks while maintaining the that's while
(11:04):
maintaining it. And we've given them a million chances to
be like this is doable. They've never come right out
and be like, this is why this is a doable
So I don't I still don't understand why it's not doable.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, right, letting us proxy into our deck would be cool,
but enhancements makes it messy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Enhancements does make it messy, which you know you.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Just say, well, you can't proc proxy and enhanced card
too darn bad, Like that's just part of life, right Like,
I don't see why you couldn't proxy in a non
enhanced card if you had one because of sleeves. But yeah,
they just they just don't let us because functionally, even
(11:49):
the foil cards are sort of proxies, right, they were
printed on a separate print run and then set in
the deck, replacing the card that it was supposed to be.
So I guess, but I mean I've never looked, but
even when you feel those foil cards, you sometimes can
(12:11):
tell which card is foil and a foil deck when
you shuffle it if it isn't sleeved, not just because
of the curve, but because the cut can be just
just a little bit different. It has a little bit
like of a different embossed edge feeling to it and
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I guess it a little thicker, it could.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Be that might be what I'm feeling. So yeah, I mean, like, yes,
foils in this stuff, making them making it so we
can put it in decks that we actually play would
would be nice. And if it's going to be not
about putting the fancy cards in the decks you have
to play, then they have to open one of these
(12:51):
awful formats. Everybody else or some loud small minority is
asking for like a.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't know, you're very vocal on ac they are,
you think I don't know what else away.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, because only people that disturbed are swoop sticking around
in general, like, everybody's still in key Forge has got
something wrong in their brain, whether it's something like adaptive
or whatever's wrong with us, right, but something wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My daddy never came home with the milk.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah right, so but yeah, like it is a little
disappointing to some extent. You know, I've collected one of
every back of everything I've mad able to get my
hands on, and now I'm collecting a bunch of foils,
and outside of having pretties to look at, they're functionally worthless.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And monetarily and monetarily, so I would be really if
you look at my.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Collection, it's worth negative twenty two dollars. You would have
to pay the shipping to give this to somebody.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's probably less than that. I don't want to burst
your path.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Like, yeah, my collection of miss lay stuff, you would
have to pay the shipping to get somebody your ticket.
I don't think somebody would pay the shipping to have it.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'd say I would, but I'm so close I probably wouldn't. Well,
the real question is if like how many full foil
decks that they sell. I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I will be annoyed if the back of the
full foil decks look different in anyway, because that is
something I've been collecting. But even that, I'm sure I'll
be able to get a crappy full foil for cheap
cheap enough.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sure you will. I just still, you know it's again,
it's something we've talked about many, many times. I don't
understand why I even messaged Jeremy whatever I tell to him.
I was like, here's another free idea for me. Hands,
ye tiny hands, I said, here's another free, easy idea
(15:06):
for you. I don't know how easy it would be,
but deck name changes. I want my favorite love deck
to have blah blah blah call sign in it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Hm, that's a back end database change thing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah. Again, don't know how easy that would be.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, I know I will they want.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't know that. I know a lot of people
that would probably pay about one hundred dollars to get
their favorite deck's name change to something with their call
sign in it. I would make your name.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
You know, Wookie is going to get a deck that
just says butt spots butts.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep, but spots butts Butts likely would have to review it.
Right now, there is a.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Funny a funny thing in my mentality and mind you,
I have a relatively low value of things that are
algorithmically generated key Forge and the fact that it is
unique in some way makes it value, you know, like
(16:23):
you know how people are. They're like, oh, every deck's unique,
you gotta keep it. I don't care about that. I
don't care about the names. But something about naming the
deck after it's generated feels raw. It just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, it's like on the same level as Alliance, right,
just not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What You've never adopted a pattern changed its name, It
just kept the size.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No, definitely adopted changed his name.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The same thing, not the same thing. It's the same
thing now.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, because it's like a created identity.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Adopt a human child and change their name.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Here's the thing. I've never got a rescue dog and
changed back to make it so the previous owner couldn't
track it. Are you equating humans the key Forge decks?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know? Do you have a collection of humans in
your basement or what is there? Do we need to
make a phone call or my basement's great, just come
check it. Out. I promise pretty soon you'll see it.
It was local man as collection of humans in his basement.
Oh oh, butts written at its forehead. I don't know.
(17:47):
I just I thought a name change. Like I think
there'd be plenty of people out there that would pay
I said, fifty to one hundred dollars to change the
name on a deck.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I don't like, so like, I don't like the idea.
I don't like it because.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So do you know what? Do you know what I
would do with that? I know what I would do
with that. You would do something not yes, I would
intentionally like borrow Aria or something from x ray. I
would borrow something from x ray, x ray. Let me
play Browning. Oh you need to transfer to me ownership
for some reason, right because we're not for I don't know.
(18:29):
And then then while I own it, rename it with
a trolling name, and then give it back to them.
That's what I would use that feature for, is I
would really people's to horrible things and give it back.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
That's like if you're if you're like going back through
the pages of history of key Forge, and you're like,
let me go find gas Mask gas Max.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now it's named and now it's named Compacted d.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
H exactly like that, right, Like, I don't know, Aria
Pylon Genius. That is not an amazing name. It's a
fine name, but like to just go and change it
feels like you're cheapening the the beauty of the unique
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deck concept.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But I also wouldn't care if other people did it,
Like I'm not whatever, It's not something I would do.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Again, I'm the only way somebody would. Somebody would buy
a deck from me, and then I would spend the
money to change the name before I ship into I
would ever see doing with it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Sell deck to JML and change the name to the
best Master Rule us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, this is the only way I see using this.
Well because I'm a child.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, well fine, speaking of printing decks and changing their names,
but you can't change your names. Will call decks now,
will call clone decks. So you are able to have
(20:26):
some decks printed up if you're looking for to pick
up some decks and pick them up at your friendly
local gaming store in Minnesota, i e. The Game center
at key Forge Celebration. Is there a discount for this
or I just don't have to pay shipping.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Oh, you don't have to pay shipping, which because that
I don't think a discount.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Is it guaranteed to be ready for me by the
time I get to the games center? If that's the yes,
I don't like that last time.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, that's the thing they shouldn't screw gg promise. Yeah
sometimes I would sometimes of shit, but like, this is
the sort of promise you really have to keep. If
somebody's like, I'm gonna show up without a deck because
it's waiting there for me, and they're like oops, Like no,
(21:21):
I disagree with persons demanding a refund.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And imagine if that deck that's your deck you're playing
in one of the opens.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I disagree about that. I mean, you can honestly see
they have a they have a cutoff date. It is
October twenty six, and so with that one hundred percent
they will be able to make sure happy there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's gonna be there's only gonna be thirty five cards
in your reprint deck. What did you do? It's happier
deck and half somebody else's deck.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, I will say that Joshua I hadn't talked
about this, and it is really to try and get
around individuals who are showing up at tournaments and they
don't have ownership. In order to get it printed, you
have to have ownership. So I don't know. I like
this feature. I think it's a great feature. And if
it allows some people, or even if it's just one person,
I still think that's better for.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The internationals that are coming, or even the friend internationals
who have friends that are going. Because the Internet, I
can only imagine what the cost is to ship a
clone deck internationally.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sure, I would also argue, I would also argue if
you're getting a if you're getting a deck from someone
who is international, it's much easier to transition that digitally
and then have it there for pickup.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So yes, also, and you don't have to play it.
And that language I still remember at a time there,
at one point in time, they are telling me that
all my decks had to be in the language of
the tournament, which would have been English.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That that was a lie rule book. Right, No, that's
not in the rule book. We looked the not the
rule book, the whatever t RG Yeah, rules guidelines. It
has to be in the language of the tournament organizer
(23:25):
accepts or whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Right, which didn't wasn't I want to say, was Spain
exercise that rule?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I remember that correct TV? No TV because they don't
have it. Okay, so it wasn't a language.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Okay, well and it Yeah it wasn't maybe because it
wasn't Spanish, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, they were angry at Sheep last year for taking seconds,
so they're like, if it's not in Spanish, you don't
get to play it. Get out which turn in the
low turnout?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah? Well past your asses? Also, that wasn't there either
wash yeah, pastor ass one?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh did it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's what beat me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh no, I'm saying this year, not last year. Now
this year, yeah, not last year? All right, next, you're
so friendly today, just like mm hmmm, i'll see Q changes.
(24:37):
Previously it was going to be CE see it is
now sealed prophetic visions. That's what you'll be playing. Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I did not ask for this, for this change myself, alight.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So I did submit email, But this is not what
I asked for.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
This is not what you had in mind.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I'd rather I would.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Rather play CC no powers. I think that would have
been good.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Oh yeah, no powers for sure. But but we knew
that that wasn't gonna happen, just except that.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You added something to the game that didn't need to
be there and just say Okay, we're not we're not
going to use it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, but they're not. There's no way they're going to
do that, right, So, because that would be admitting that.
So what eyes met and they should do VM twenty
five because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Everybody, but they don't have any and they're not going
to print more.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
They could, they could do special, They could just run
when they do these clone decks.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Just there was a lot of rumors talk about fifty
boxes is the minimum print run is what I saw.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He owns the freaking company.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
There's not Yeah box and the man says fifty box,
this is the minimum.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But they don't. So they don't when they print these
clone decks. There's no way they print fifty boxes worth right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
The different way just a special difference between clone decks,
and that is packaging. Now, yep, they wouldn't. They don't
actually need to package the VM twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
They're just putting in.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Hey, I'm not just saying what I saw people talking about,
but I think if one hundred and fifty people came
and they printed fifty If that's all it was, was
fifty more boxes and a third of that's going to
be used as the pre sold sealed, I don't think
they'd have any problem selling approximately a third of a
(26:45):
box to every other player that's there. You know, if that,
you know, if they printed fifty four and said, you know,
we only have fifty more boxes as much as used
for the sealed and the rest of it's for, I
don't I don't think they would have a problem selling that.
It can AFC.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, so fifty I don't even if fifty right, if
fifty boxes is the real number, I don't know it
is six. Let's pretend it is like, let's pretend like
we know things, because that's what we normally do. So
this is six hundred decks, right.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And you figure three one hundred and fifty people actually
showed up. Four hundred and fifty of those decks would
already be gone in the LCQ. Yeah, that's only one
hundred and fifty decks left to sell. It's only one
per person. Just make it the goodie bag deck and
they're all gone already.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Are we already getting Vault Master twenty four in a
goodie Bag Deck.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Twenty Yeah, twenty four, not twenty five twenty four because
they still have a lunch of twenty four because it
didn't sell as well because the set was good set
quater they you know, like, I get that it's hard
to judge set quality early.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I get that that's not easy.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
But they should be trying. They should be striving to
understand them, not be like, wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Set quality is important?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Like we thought, we thought just making something neat and
exclusive would make it valuable. That works for Magic the Gathering.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, except the problem is is normally when Magic the
Gathering is all something expensive, it's not only unique and exclusive,
it's also powerful.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A bunch of that treasure stuff, isn't that secret layers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's a lot of special treatment stuff with Yeah, but
a lot of that is powerful stuff. But some some
of that is also like Sonic the Hedgehog's it's also
like a third party. Uh ips that nine times out
(29:06):
of ten, like when they did all the Lord of
the Rings stuff. So I'm sure a lot of Lord
of the Rings guys who are really into Lord of
the Rings bought it up. So yeah, I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But yeah, so they need to make a Lord of
the Forge.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Lord of the Rings game in their art and they're
already with Magic, so.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So I know some people would hate yeah, but I did.
I do feel like if Magic hadn't argued on it, it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Would have fit in really well with the Goofy Like listen,
anything really kind of fits into this game, right that, well, yeah,
that's how they did it, right.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So, I mean, I think they do like Hannah Barbara
World and.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You could definitely get an ip and kind of slap
it in this game.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Right about talking about thunder Road Vendetta before, Like we
need like freaking like Mad Max, right.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
A Mad Max house.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You could do a Mad Max style set.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It doesn't even have to be officially Mad Max, right,
all right, Louk, get on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Just a Mad Max style just.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Like make vehicles actually good.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
A house that really is into yeah, vehicles and going fast, yeah,
just pedal, pedal all to the metal speed freak orcs
yeah or yeah, it could be like an Orcish type deal.
And but every now and then to go boom.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Like all of all of the factions from Warhammer would
fit just fine in.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
The but already done by Magic. I'm awaited magic already scooped.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Not really, they just did a few cards. I guess
they did a load of the Ring set, but.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
A lot of those I don't know where the licenses lie, right,
and I we can't get them to figure out to
spend a few bucks.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, people don't advertise.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Could you couldn't you imagine one going hey, how much
to use the Warhammer forty k ip and then immediately
watch CTP of a Stroke.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I think when they originally designed the key Ford
DWorld and the weak storyline that exists, have that in
mind though, where they're like, hey, if this is really
good and we get you know, when we buy licenses
or get licenses to make them in card games, we
can stick anything into this game without making it a
(31:52):
third party set, you know, like some games where they'll
do that, they're like, oh, here's the base game and
oh here's a themed version. They're not really meant to
be mixed. Where in key Forge you still doesn't matter.
But any theme and just been like there's a house
go maybe one? Yeah, right, and maybe it only ever
(32:12):
shows up in one set and you never see it again,
But who really cares because functionally that doesn't matter We'll.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Have a storyline event that you think you have power
on that you actually don't go that.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'm telling you that is just good storytelling, a good
dungeon mastering, game mastering.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Dah dungeon mass.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You have to believe you have free will.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, you don't actually have to the rails you have
free will? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Anyway, Uh, the three three point five million deck, that's right,
we've crossed the three million, fived thousand mark of decks registered.
That's right on on the master vault. That's crazy, is it? Yep?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
True that it's only thirty one thousand TV decks.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
We didn't dig that.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Thaters.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't know how would we even figure that outd okay, right.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We do have.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Walk back go I choose you?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, thirty thousand second Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Thirty thousand, five hundred seventy three TV decks in d
ok right now, okay, which is there's only seventeen hundred
pc how many discovery Actually this is an interesting question.
Seven there's only two thousand, three hundred thirty nine Discovery decks. Wow,
(34:01):
because although I guess these are folks who aren't well,
but now that I'm saying that this is targeting a
population who may not be scanning their decks, so that's
probably underrepresenting more than other sets.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Probably that Now, how the hell does that even work?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How the hell is what even work? So you get
a deck.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Thirty one camera the decks, okay to the camera two.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The last game found was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, right, Like,
there were ten so five grand of that was was
just for the art. So that's two hundred and forty
five thousand. The average price of the deck during that
(34:58):
game found was something like eight and a half bucks.
I think, where are you going with this? I guess
that would mean up somewhere around twenty five twenty six
thousand dollars decks. Twenty five thousand decks were sold during
the game found. That that sounds high actually, but maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
There's a lot of game found decks that I think
that also aren't opened yet either.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, but they're only thirty one thousand, so if and
we know it's not one hundred percent, but that means
there's only like five or six thousand decks through retail.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
By like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Looking at a bad a bad way of looking at it.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean, we still don't know scan rates really.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Right, And that's that's actually what I'm wondering. I'm like,
how bad are scan rates?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I mean, how many decks do you scan? What percentage
do you scan that you open sheep?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I scan nearly one hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Really, m he doesn't keep the decks, but he skins.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I don't add him the decks of ty Forge.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
In my mind, I still find decks in bags and
I'm like, why the hell is there a decade here
without back? And she goes like, oh, I brought this
to some event sheep was nearby.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
If sheep's nearby, you might find her.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Sometimes sometimes that will be so bad I won't even
bother scanning it, but I would say I'm ninety percent
scan right.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You Walk, I screwed up my mission, by the way,
Uh the mission I told you about, you Walk, I.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Messed that up.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Sorry, man, we had a deal. I know, I forget,
I forgive you.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
My thought is what I'm just coming up with. The
math I am looking at is so there's thirty one
thousand decks, but let's just use that as our number.
What do you think the average SCR scan rate on
decks is? Now, it's gotta be higher than the fifty
percent it used to be.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Just because the people who are playing are.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Because the people who are still sixty five.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Higher maybe I don't know, Okay, okay, sixty five That
puts us at forty seven thousand and six ninety two
decks they make what do you think they make a deck?
Five six bucks?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
The world will never know, like actual money they can make. Yeah, well,
if you say.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Five dollars, that's two hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars.
That's revenue approximate, approximate, and then out of that fifty
grand goes to Josh, fifty grand goes to Luke.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Excuse me, sir, Josh fifty.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Whatever, twenty thousand dollars goes to other people that do
key forge work. That's one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars
left before company, before stuff is taxed, lights are turned on,
(38:27):
you know, Like wow, Now like it's this should still
be then text, right, because we're saying you make about
five bucks a deck that includes you paid well, I
don't know, maybe that even should include the cost of
the employees. Who knows, and it's hard to say what
that number is looking at all those but just when
(38:48):
you get down to it, and there isn't there's definitely
not hundreds of thousands of key Forge dollars to spend
on doing things. There might be, there might be tens
of thousands.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I mean, that's probably why they reduce the number of
like custom decks you can get in a campaign, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And then uh yeah, and then you know, Peterson's got
to make his next boat payment, so yeah, there's.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
He's probably losing money.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Honestly, maybe what do you think is that is.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I'm just I'm just looking at the economics, you know,
like I start to see this and I go, well, yeah,
you know, like you can understand why they make decisions
that don't cost the company significant amounts of money, and
you know, like you start looking at these numbers, four
or five, ten grand is not insignificant number of dollars potentially.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean that can make or break your profitability
for the year.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
He's got to sell this company in seven years, how considered.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I don't know that he does, Like he's kind of
his he's good, right, well, but he has he made
his money. He's doing this because he actually likes it.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Or he wants to make more money. Yeah, he's sure,
but you know, there are a lot of people that
are that way.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
But if you would be.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Strange Stars next time, Eric.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That there would be a whole different, whole different jam. Yeah,
he owns the games Enter too, But that's that's a
whole different ball away, Like that's a totally different that's
a totally different uh line item on the Strange Stars.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I don't even know if that's in that family now,
it might not be. Yeah, the the inner business workings
of all that is is all very mysterious and murky, and.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
One's got to run ass so he doesn't have to
pay taxes.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well, but then you have to. Yeah, there's all sorts
of rules how he set up very operations and I
don't pretend to understand them, but yeah, which ones you
can run without.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Making a profit? Which one's like.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, who knows certain one.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
But I don't think they're making money, right, So I
would say they're making I would say they're doing okay.
I don't think they're like raking it in right like
a suckers.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, I mean clearly they're making enough to pay the employees,
doing okay and keep CTP interested, right, which is why
we get to keep having sets because once one of
those things doesn't happen, Bill's not paid or CTP board,
then uh, you know, maybe this doesn't carry on another thing.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, then we go down.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well we're going there anyways, but well we're not.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
You know, it's listening to us fools that keeps them going, right,
It's like that it is. But if I keep rid
of this game, those boards will keep talking.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah we should. We should reintroduce you to CTP this year.
Be like, oh this is Das car.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Well did I tell you about the time I don't know,
I find.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Something on the cast told me one time you're in Rochester?
What was that last year? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I think so. Like I saw him at the bar,
like at the hotel before. So I went over and
like said hi to him and started talking to him,
and uh, like Josh comes, Its like, oh, this is
dress Corps. To be like, just realize who you're talking to.
So you a nice move, Josh, to help your boss
(42:42):
out what conversation. Enjoy This is Dras Corps. So that
you say to this fool is basically what Josh was saying.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
He's the next one that can make or break your game.
Found camp Fit campaign I mean not act. No, No,
some people think we have that kind of power. It's
not true, any of it. Unlike Star Wars, it's not
if you have no power. We have no power. People
(43:15):
listen to you and they're like, yeah, not on the
good ship. It's always the bad stuff they listened to
us on. Right, Well, no, I mean, I don't know.
I guess you guys aren't as excited about I'm well again,
I would have been more than happy with CC with
no ARCon powers, because the CC set itself is pretty fine, right,
(43:40):
there's nothing inherently like to busted in it except for
the damn ARCon powers. So I would have been more
than okay with just no CC with no powers. But
I guess we're going to prophetic visions.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I'm finely, It's just it's just two days in a row.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I think that that is the That is what we
were talking about at Local Cheap. Is that because it's
back to back days, that's where it hits a little
bit harder. Where Yes, I agree about that.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
At least you're finishing each day out before you start
the next, so it's not like you're like starting the
next day and your brain's still on your like, you know,
final cut neck from the previous day, and you're starting
to make decisions and you're like, ah, even that people
are gonna do that, They're gonna have the same house.
They're like, Oh, all I need to do is draw
my d to be like, oh crap, that was yesterday.
I had that garden.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Oh no, I don't have grafted my whole deck. I'm
not even playing ship.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I have not getting this set. Just me that's had that,
that had that experience, got it all right, Wookie? Wookie,
you wants to talk about Belgian nationals?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, rehab about this.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Week that was the Dutch.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, so we had Dutch nationals, but Dutch Belgium.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
I mean, these things are the same.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
So what was interesting is last weekend was October fourth, fifth,
so you had both Belgium nationals and Italian nationals. I
did not actually see anything for Italian nationals. I don't
know if it was just me. I was trying to
look around.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I just want to go on the record right now.
The only we told we said on this show, if
you want your own little section, let us know. The
only people who spoke up the Canadians, So they got
their own section just saying, just saying Canadians.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Nosy Canadians.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Hey, that's fine. They said they wanted their own section.
They got even though like they got their own section
like days before their nationals. But either way, they wanted
their own sect. They got the right sections.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
That got to be a very active channel for a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah they got they got their own section, which is fine.
It's cool and they had fun in it, so I
got to blow that up down.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
But regardless, congrats to Ellie Mack, who is your Arkhan
national champion for Belgium and is bet for your Belgian
Alliance national champion. I was trying to find more information there,
but I did not see anything for the Italian, which
is interesting. Shut out. No, actually Belgium and yeah go ahead.
(46:34):
Belgian and Italian are not updated just yet. But I
will say that Hong Kong is coming up this weekend,
so last minute flight guys, Hong Kong on October twelve.
M Evansville. That's what I was gonna say, Just go
to Avansze, which I would definitely go. Unfortunately, I'm velmed.
(46:55):
Evansville is now out for me as my two kids
have both gotten sick. We had one out the last
three days and one went vomited everywhere today. I hope
you feel about it. No, not not nice when it's
at school.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
So Belgian Nationals only like six or eight people.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I was trying to I had more information, I had it.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Marked, and I'm looking at some pictures of it in
the NKFL server and they're saying little national event in
Belgian today starting with ARCon and there are pictures of
like maybe eight players mm hmmm nine nine in Alliance
(47:42):
and nine in ARCon, so.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
The same nine yeah, nine in sealed. See these are
the type of events I need to go to. You
can get my sealed invite, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So state Yeah, top four ARCon where Eli mac Gi,
Latinos Antonio and then is fat You.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Know what would be nice if those because here there's.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Here's the UK national.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And nine and nine an Alliance. Uh was actually more
than the Canadian Nationals, right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
For Alliance. Canadian Nationals was small this year.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Well, Canadian Nationals for Alliance only had five because they
staggered it and you had multiple players who were going
to play but were too oh for sealed and so
they kept playing and sealed.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Mm hmm yeah yeah yeah. So there was the UK
Nationals too, which conta Kelly and Battel. It looks like
we're second and first for Alliance and Colosi and Fire
and Stuart. Maybe we're ARCon. It's hard to tell for sure.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You're saying for UK UK was September twenty sixth through
twenty eight, so that arkonnor kind of actually has ever.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Even touched on that one?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Did we Which one one.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Of those days that wasn't paying attentional?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah? The ARCon was, Yeah, mister Slogan's your runner up
was Callos and then for Alliance, Yeah, what is it?
Yas Kimagen as your champion and then Konsie Kelly for
runner up and then Jim twenty three thirty for Sealeds
(49:33):
runner up. You know, yeah, new names there actually, Actually,
I will argue United Kingdom had some of the better
nationals here twenty six, twenty five and thirty pretty good. No, yeah,
that's much better. You're also again being able to play
them on different days, I think helps.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well. I did just reach out to our Italian to
see if I can get any information on Italy.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
That's right, we have an Italian. We've got a couple
of them, don't we.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Then looking at Sweden, I don't think we talked Sweden either, boys,
because that would have been the twenty six, twenty eighth
of September as well.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Maybe I don't know, ye know, I'm looking at the
deck that won our con deck that won UK. The
footman that purchases the church, which is a great name, right,
and if you just made that up and type it
church cool, right, but atrocity right, seeing some atrocity, double foreseer,
(50:39):
triple parallel thinking. Okay, but the cyberclone is nice. The
double chummy is is pretty nice, with the dispipped miasma
is pretty nice. It's got the guess what house I'm
thinking of the prophecy, right, which is and yeah and
(51:03):
signs point yes right, so yeah, the guess what house
I'm thinking of is the way to win the game
right by Randa luck right, it's pretty often so it's
got that right, That's pretty important. Um, so it seems solid.
(51:28):
We'll give to Ember. Dramatic echo.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, it seems solid.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Doesn't seem oppressive, but.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But solid to me.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Mhmm, Well it's got some see Gouda Gras cyber clone
double give to Ember. Yeah, brutal consequences.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
God, no, I got nothing. I'm uh, I'm ready to
put a ball on this. I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Not going shadows tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
We've gone fits an hour already.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
All right, Yeah, I will say I will say while
we're here, because we didn't cover it. Our counter candidate
actually does have the write up for or has who's
listed for Sweden? So Sweden nationals ran twenty six to
twenty eighth, and you have Candika. Actually you have both
Jonas and Christopher, and that was your ARCon winner. So
(52:31):
birth first and second, and then Alliance you had Christopher
and Jonas and then for sealed we're seeing and Jonas,
look at that. That's clean? Sweet?
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Was there two people at it?
Speaker 1 (52:47):
No, there was ten, four and ten respectively, so ten total.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Four for Alliance, four for Alliance, even when's your only choice. Nah.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, weird how we still have for Las Vegas, Like
there's a deck in here for Las Vegas and our
kind kind of.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
I mean there's definitely a link of the eight.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I'm not an Alliance decks. I got our conde.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
You know what, it turns out there's nobody that's interested
in trying to collect the alliance information like live at
the event.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
It's just such a trying to fucking judge.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Well, that's when he releases the article. They'll be in
the article.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
What article?
Speaker 3 (53:50):
When they do the recap article?
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Did we not recap? Uh?
Speaker 4 (53:56):
When g G.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Rights there article, then they will release the deck list.
The stuff that's in there right now is what we
collected on the.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Ground as collected. Have we not done an article on Vegas?
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
So really released one? No they didn't.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You can go that's that's easy enough to be able
to check for it's not there.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
So I mean, well, I will go ahead, and.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
I've been kind of busy with this game found thing
we're getting ready for, getting ready for.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
The world results from certain Darkness. Do we know the
results of this are the results? No?
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yeah, we're doing another one in uh what you.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Can report all of this month? So I have to
still report this now where we we are going to
run and report more.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yeah, speaking of which I got to create a signup
link for.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I will go ahead and say that it was a
shame just the stream for Vegas that ARCon did not
get the attention that it needed. We desperately run two
separate streams or have them so that you can go
ahead and.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Or can push whatever agenda they want. And they want
to keep pushing Alliance as the premiere format. They don't
want to make it a thing, so they're gonna shove
it down you.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I don't I don't think that was the reason I
think that they were. I don't think that was the
reason why it was shown over Arkon for Vegas.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
But they start because they I think it's because they
had they started Top four.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Right yes, for Alliance, and they thought that it would
be finished early, and instead it ran very and Arkon
was what finished quicker.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah. Yeah, in my experience, it's not a we're trying
to push it type deal. It's well, we can get
them both and then it just either it happens or
it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
I mean, the short answer is.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
The timing doesn't link up, right.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's where.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
The short answer is that we just have, especially at
these top tables, we need to be able to show
the games and get any publicity out there. So record it.
Go ahead. You can pour it in into two separate
streams if you need to.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Even if it's you can do the same screen picture
and picture. I mean, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
There's already not enough room to see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, well, I mean that's why I was saying that
you can click on which one.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
You want maybe this time.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
And if they wanted to record two games, they would
have to bring twice as many cameras and recording setups.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
It's literally another why frame and another expender in another camera.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Would we just talk about how the's going to spend
any more money.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I don't think they spent any money on this setup
in the first place. I think this is just what
Josh has already owns.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
Last week, did you guys talk about this? Uh? Davidy
Bourne and Fish previews?
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, he ran through all the previous I didn't think
you're going to.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
I just want to add I've just went through them
and this is sad and miserable looking in my mind
it is.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I believe we already said that it was question by
two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, you you just bought. You just bought tired Fish
and boring sky thing East Yep, good job. H I
mean they could still put the good cards in. They
could still sneak befunneling, could well.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
I mean we we thought it looked TV looked bad,
but then it turned out.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
The right house. Well hold on, oh no, this will
site got a full art nerman.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, Abistle site fine, But I tell you what, Abistle
site without bonus token creature generation is not as exciting
of a card because it has a higher cost, because
it's functionally costing you a full mother card every time,
(58:22):
where traditionally in the Senate was in you could pitch
a low value token.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
How was it Abiso site not transpar Look at this
lady's legs. Her legs do not match her towards the
rest of her body. Her legs go all the way
to the bottom of that card. Look at where her
knees are. How was that not the one that like,
(58:52):
everyone's like that looks funny? It was a Bistle site.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Well, it's it's the there's like certain artifacts that are
common in.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
I mean honestly, like and yeah, even like this just
looks like extended art. And then they did like it's
starry night background. Same thing with like against a flags
that just looks like a boom background. This one definitely.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I'm looking at these full art cards for the first
time myself. Actually, I've never bother look at this article
either for before today and the bonus icons not having
the little like feater in this there's gonna be a
card where you're just not going to see that, like
that counterfeit controversy card with the discard Pip right there
(59:50):
and you're not even gonna see it. Just get out
because even the one with the damage Pip, the Sir Lorcus,
the damage Pip almost blends in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I don't know some of those. Some of those are
gonna be hard.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Well again. And then get ready to call it. Judge,
are you ready? You got Judge, You got your Judge
Colin voice ready, Judge, Judge, Judge.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, while you're there, I will say good luck to
anyone who is able to make it to Evansville. I'm
totally jealous. Remember you can still support online. And if
you get the chance, if anyone is listening over in
Hong Kong, good luck in your nationals. I believe that
is the last one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh and I.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Need I need uh, I need a VM five deck
from the China Vault tour. So yeah, somebody think of me.
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
If yeah, you're thinking about Evansville, check out on our
discord the uh crazy video of the trophy.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Whirlpool regiously cool.
Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yeah, the world.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
You know what it would have been better.
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
That spins like it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Could have been slightly better is if the bottom of
that whirlpool fed into a shredder. We could feed cards
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
You feed adaptive decks and there. I feel like that's
how we should.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
You were supposed to make that event you said you
were going to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I guess I still can't.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Right, No, it's all closed, man, whatever we we are actually.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Registration closed.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yes, the community events have been closed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
But oh just send it, Josh, but you can't put
me in for shredder. Just put it down support at GIGI.
Just put it, just write it down, give me a day,
just DM me slide into my DMS. Josh.
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I will say, I am very very appreciative that Josh
and others worked on getting the clones. So it was
a great idea, Josh. I know this one is your baby,
but by October twenty six, so you have a couple
of weeks there, but not not that long. But they
will be at will call for cloning decks. So I
appreciate it, Josh, and I know a lot others will
(01:02:38):
as well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Don't forget to slide in my DMS, Josh. Either way,
it doesn't matter. If we're not going to do a shredder,
go ahead to slide in my DMS. We got anything else,
We're going into them. If not, I'm going night night just.
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Running shredder without it being uh official. Seems seems like
a plan too.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, we can't. We could do that too. We could
just be over in the corner somewhere. We're those weird
key Forge kids who eat our shudder cards. It seems fair,
but all right, Well that'll do it for us this week.
We'll see you all next week.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Happy forging everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Hey, the Forge be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I'm going to sads.
Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
No dying, no disease, no big mercyngiones.
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
No gun, no MOVI. Welcome to you.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Again, acts it doesn't know Jesus in California, Samacon
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
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