February 13, 2024 • 40 mins
Navigating the world of teenage skincare can be tricky, especially when dealing with breakouts, pimples, bumps, and changes in skin texture.
In this episode we talk to Elise Tabin, a seasoned beauty editor with nearly two decades of experience in the beauty industry, and, more importantly, a mom who understands the unique skincare challenges faced by teenagers. Combining her beauty expertise with the practicalities of parenting, Elise shares her tips on talking too teens including:
- Approaching Teen Skincare: Learn how to gently introduce teens to a skincare routine without making them feel embarrassed, especially when acne is a concern.
- Educating Teens on Skincare Basics: Discover effective ways to discuss skincare fundamentals, emphasizing its importance as an extension of basic hygiene, similar to washing the body and hair, and brushing teeth.
- Navigating Viral Trends: Elise warns against blindly following viral skincare trends. Not everything that's popular is necessarily right for every individual, especially for older teens who may feel the need to try every product they see.
- Lasting Solutions vs. Quick Fixes: Explore the considerations before opting for treatments like lash extensions or microblading. Elise advocates for exploring alternative options before committing to such treatments, considering their expense and ongoing upkeep.
- Addressing Expenses: Learn how to engage in an open conversation with your teen about the ongoing costs of certain skincare treatments. Elise emphasizes the importance of understanding the value of skincare products as an investment, making a $30 product more appealing than a $3000 treatment.
- TWiiSH: Elise shares her journey in creating TWiiSH, a skincare line designed specifically for teens in collaboration with her daughter and a Harvard-trained chemist. And don't worry, adults can benefit from these products too!
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This is the Art Beauty podcast,where we are always reaching for truth
in beauty.
Remember, the brands on the showare not paying to be here,
so we get to ask those hard questions.
We know you want the answers too,because you deserve to be informed
so you can make the best choicesfor yourself.
With that said, I'm Amber Milt, and todaymy fabulous co-host is Elise Tabin.
She is a beauty editor, expert, educatorand also
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the founder of TWiiSH Skincare,which is a new line for teens.
We will be talkingabout that later in the show.
But before we get to that,we're going to be talking today
about how to talk to your kidsand your teenagers about skincare.
Teenage years.
I know mine were a little hairy,so I'm sure that can be a little tricky.
Elise, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for being here today.
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Thank you for having me.
I am so excited to be here.
So, you know, people have been listeningin on this for a while.
Know that I don't have kids.
It just didn't work out for me.
But I do have a lot of friendsnow who are having kids.
And believe it or not,
they're going into those teenage years,which is just mind blowing.
And I hear from so many different womenthat, you know,
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how do you broachskincare with your kids now?
You have you have a children's book.
Tell us a little bit about your situation.
I have a 15 year old daughterwho is like the mini, my mini me.
She is equally as obsessed with everything
beauty, skincare, makeup, hair care.
She grew up around it from an early age.
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I think when she was like two years old,she used to ask for a bath bomb
when she would take a bathbecause she just thought it was so hot.
And seeing the water cannons colors.
But I understand what you're sayingand that a lot of moms who
are raising teenagersor have even older teenagers
that are in the college years
or just graduating college and are comingto them saying, what do I do about this?
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How do I start taking care of my skin?
I'm only 13 or 14 years old.
There's so much information out thereright now, and it is super confusing
for a lot of these younger peopleto understand not only the importance
of skin care and why it's always goodto start early, but where to start.
It's very it's very overwhelming.
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And I always say you have to really look
at what your main skin concernsare more than anything else.
Don't follow the viral trends.
Don't buyit just because somebody else has it
and it looks pretty on their shelfor on their bathroom counter.
Really take the time to understandyour skin and its needs
because if you're super oily and acneprone slugging is going to be probably
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the worst thing you can do, for example.
But because it's everywhere,you might think, I need to do it.
So there's really a first step of tryingto get to know
your skin and what it really needs.
That's my biggest piece of informationas to where to start today.
If you're a of skin care.
So making sure that you are talkingto your teen about what
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their specific skincareproblems are is super important.
You know, you brought up a good pointabout social media.
You know, so again, I'm not a parent.I don't know.
But how much do you find these daysthat kids are really being influenced
by social media?
And I know that depends. Right.
Some some teenagers have phones,some don't.
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But but are there other influences,I'm sure, like at school
or whatare you seeing these days with that?
I think social mediais probably the most prominent
element in howthey are influenced on a regular basis.
And then for the kids and teensthat maybe don't have access
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to social media or have a phone, like yousaid, there is a trickle down effect.
So, you know, if they're at school
and sitting at the lunch tableand they're talking about,
would you buy it support or whatare you getting for the holidays,
they're going to hear about itfrom somebody else
if they're not privyto that information themselves.
But these these kids are so consumedby social media,
I would say more than probably 90%of what they are
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looking to buy and get into is based offwhat they're seeing.
You know, it's so funny.
I was trying to think about this today,you know, knowing
that we were goingto be talking about this
and what what it was like for meas a teen.
My sister is a makeup artist,so I definitely remember sneaking into her
kit and like, trying on her lipstickswhen I was like, about,
you know, your daughter's agefrom a very young age.
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But then I was thinking, you know,
I lived in a in a in sort of aI wasn't in a big city.
I was in more of a rural area.
And so I'm trying to remember, like,was it like
teen magazine that I was reading?
You know,why I, I do remember Osea Scrunch spray.
Do you remember that?
Right.
And it was like everybody had it right.
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But I feel like these days, I mean,with between TV and just walking around,
I mean, going to the mall,you're just bombarded.
You know, we didn't have stores likeSephora when when when I was a teenager.
So I imagine now it's it's it's
got to be overwhelming for kidsand also for parents.
So I think it was really good.
You talked about, you know, payingattention to what your teen's needs are.
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But when do you feel like it's good
to even start talking about thingslike basic grooming, you know,
brushing your teeth, making sure you'reshowering, washing your face at night?
I've always
been a big believernot everybody agrees with me, but
for me and somethingthat I instilled in my daughter
very early on was youryour face is part of your body.
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You know, just likewe're taught at a very young age.
We teach our childrento brush their teeth.
I mean, they're using maybe toothbrushesand toothpaste
as early as a few months, six months old.
You know,they are learning to take proper showers
to wash their hairor wash their body parts.
And I've always believed that your facedoesn't need
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to be neglected in your whole hygieneand grooming routine.
So for her specifically,I started at a very young age.
I want to saymaybe she was like four or five years old
with when you go into the shower,you're going to use
and she was using like the most basicand I think we even actually started with
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just water just to get her into the habitof doing of washing your face.
Let's put some water on your face,maybe take a washcloth that was clean
and just kind of pat it down.
So she got into the habit of itand she would saying to me, like,
I don't understand whyI put soap everywhere else and in my hair,
but we're not using soap on my face.
I said, okay, well, let's get there.You know.
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Well, clowns are actually not soap,but let's get there.
And I slowly work her into it.
And as she got older and startedhaving more concerns
with her skin, with eczema,so she had some dryness.
So we had a dryness first.
And then around the age of 11 or 12,we started with some of the whiteheads
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and blackheads. So we started at that.
But I think that there's really no
to early age, if you will, to start it,
if you're talking about likejust basic cleansing because
as children start to develop their bodieschange and their skin changes
and they start to producemore oil on their face
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and they're playing sportsand you want to teach them
that it is proper hygieneto wash your face just like
you are goingto brush your teeth in the morning
before you go to schooland brush your hair and put on deodorant.
When you get to a certain agebecause you need it.
And all these things that we do naturally
as adults, that as children,they don't know to do it.
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So they have to be taught.
So I think it's a lot about where they are
in that particular stage of lifeand where it's acceptable,
but also that there's no
harm in teaching your kidsproper grooming, and especially if it's
something that maybe you weren't, what,as a teenager or a child.
But, you know, it's importantto teach them before it becomes a problem.
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So, you know, it sounds like your daughter
was very open and accepting to this.
Right.
You know, probablygrowing up with a beauty editor mom
and seeing that this is a businessand watching your routine.
You know, she was kind of like, I'minterested in curious and want to do that.
What about when when parents have kidswho are are really reluctant to that?
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You know,
and I think I don't want to say itas I'm sure there's a lot of boys
who are very open to it.
But, you know, I think of that,you know, boy, who might start to go
because in the teenagerswere having massive hormonal shifts, too.
Right.
And have that teenage acne
and maybe he's just embarrassed about itand doesn't want to talk about it.
What advice do youhave for parents to sort of
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broach that subject with their teens?
I've had this conversationwith so many of my friends who have sons
and they say I cannot get my childto wash his face for the life of me.
And I tell them, don't fight with himwhen he is.
If he doesn't want to do it right now,he will get to the point
or she will get to the pointwhen they will want to do it.
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There are some timeswhen you just have to let them
kind of figure it out on their own.
You can introduce it to themand the concept.
But if they're going to be so reluctantand to say,
I am not washing my faceand they're going to fight you on it,
they might have to take it upon themselves
that when they're ready toto to start to take those high
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hygiene stepsand just start to do it on their own.
But I always say leave
a bottle of cleanser in their bathroom,let them know it's there.
If you notice when you go with itafter a couple of weeks that, you know,
maybe they don't tell you
the washing their face, but you can tellthat it's a little less spill,
then they're doing something right.Maybe they don't want you to know.
Sometimesit's just an embarrassment thing.
It's like they've all been there. Like,Stop it, Mom.
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I know I don't need you to tell me.
And othertimes, there's the kids that will,
you know, come to the moms and dadsand say, I'm breaking out.
I don't know what to do.
And maybe the face washes in enough.
Maybe I need something else.
It's partially just growing upand learning to take care of yourself.
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But also, you know, again, with thiswhole influence and with the teenagers
I see, especially with boys,once they reach about 14, 15 years old
and they start really becoming in tuneto their appearance and girls
and they want to have clear skinand look good,
that they'll be more inclinedto take care of their skin
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and start to practicesome of the skin care habits.
And girls on the other sidestart to do that in an earlier age.
And I think that just part of just,you know, like nature and just how we are
as human beings.
I mean, it's got to be so tough to write,like for for people
with like cystic acne,you know, that that has to be so
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yeah, I'm sure as parents,you want to be very sensitive
to not make your childfeel worse about it,
but to make sure that you're handling it.
You know, do have tips on that,like when it's time to
to actually see it like a professionaland specifically a doctor.
I think that when you're
no back up a second, when you know thatyour child is suffering from anything.
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Right.
Whether it's skin, whether it'ssomething medical or whether it's
maybe something emotional,you obviously want to do whatever you can
as a parent to make them feel comfortableand feel confident.
And we will doI do whatever I can in my power.
I know a lot of parents feel the same way,
but you also don'twant to make them feel bad about it.
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So it's a very small line abouthow do I talk to them about it
without making them feel like they're likeI'm pointing the finger at them
or they're being judged,or that all I look at on them is their
skin and not look at anything elsethat makes them who they are.
So I think it's about just being honestand having real conversations.
I mean, yelling and screamingand making somebody feel bad
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about something that they can't control.
Like acne is never the solution.
And if you're not the personthat can talk to them
or they don't feel comfortabletalking to you about them,
maybe it's somebody else,maybe it's a friend, maybe it's a cousin.
Maybe they will feel more comfortabletalking to a doctor, or even if it's,
you know, an influencerthat they can talk to
that might have gonethrough similar situations
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as long as they can find somebodythat they feel confident in discussing
what they're dealing withand what they want to fix about it.
I say that's that's totally cool.
You know, whatever, whatever works,it doesn't necessarily always have to be
the mom or the dad because sometimesthey don't want to tell us.
They want to tell somebodywho isn't going to be in their house
and writing them every 5 seconds about,did you put on your medicine?
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Did you take your pill, did you do this?Do you wash your face?
So I always say that however you get to
that end goal, it's okay and just do it.
But also for the parent who has triedeverything and they say, okay,
we did all the at home products,we did the treatments,
and now I need to do the next thing,my last resort.
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Where do I turn?
Sometimes you
do have to go to a dermatologist,and there's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, that's why they're there.
You know, that's why they holdthese degrees and especially if you know
that everything you've done as a parent inyour power has not been able
to rectify the situation, then, yes,a medical professional is the way to go
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in terms of cystic acne,that that will always require
a different course of treatmentthan just a few hormonal breakouts
or changes to the skinthat happened throughout life.
So when you know that
there is acnethat is just not calming down
and it's super inflamed and redand there is just nothing
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that is this helping to make itget any better,
even if it's only 10% better,then that's the time when you really need
to go find a dermatologist in your areathat you trust.
You can helpbecause not treating it is almost worse.
Whateverthey're going to put you on for medication
because that can causea lot of emotional distress and scarring
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and changesto the structure of the skin and damage.
And then you're adding a whole nother
set of problemsthat are much harder to correct.
And that will be around for a lot longerthan your teenage acne.
You know, I want to go backto something that you said, and I
really want to echo this because I've got11 I've got 13 nieces and nephews
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and 13 nieces and nephews,and I've watched them go from,
you know, young kids to nowthrough teen agers into their twenties.
One of the thingsthat's really interesting
and I know this from my ownpersonal experience, I do believe that
at a certain point, letting kidscome to deal with things on their own.
For me, it wasn't a skin problem,but but I was overweight.
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And I remember, you know,now I've talked to my mother about this,
and my mother was like,she will make that decision.
She told me my grandmother used to callher crying, get her on a diet, do this.
And she said, no.
At some pointshe's going to realize it for herself.
And I did.
And I've seen, you know, kidswith skin problems
who eventually will come and dealwith that.
I've watched kids with weight problemsdeal with that
and other emotional problemswho really have all at a certain point
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learned to take that on.
So I do second that at a certain point,you have to kind of let your children
be themselves and learn to kind of start
to stand up for themselvesand ask for the things they need.
You know, you did mention influencers
and one of the thingsand actually there's two things
and you mentioned leaving productsin the bathroom.
So let's start with the productsin the bathroom because I know
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it's in my bathroom and I don't knowthat it would be right for a 15 year old.
So how can you make sure, Right.
You know,
you want to be careful that you're notleaving, probably like the heavy retinol
and stuff like that in your bathroomfor your younger child to be using?
Right. Right.
I would say basics.
So a cleanser
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is alwayseveryone needs to wash their face
no matter what skin type you have.
And if they're not going to wash itin the shower, they can do it at the sink.
If they're not going to wash it inthe sink,
they can do in the shower if you canonly at one point get them to wash it.
At the end of the day when they come homeand get everything off their skin,
so be it.
Maybe they'll wash twice a day.
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It really depends.
Again, back to their skin typeand what their skin needs.
But I always say to be super simple,and this is also for
we're talking more about the child
who might be a little bit more reluctantor maybe not so into skin care cleansers.
Always great.
A light moisturizer, super, super basic.
If they have oily skinor somebody who breaks out
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like a gel cream moisturizeror even like a light hydrating serum.
But again,none of the ingredients that you and I
are going to be usingbecause their skin's not are so super
basic things that are formulatedfor this skin type,
for youngerskin is where you want to start.
And definitely no retinol,no heavy scrubs.
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They don't need anything with vitamin Cor peptides or collagen stimulators.
You know, they have the best skinlike in terms of collagen elasticity.
That's whatwe all want to get back to at some point.
So I would say just super, super simple.
And also another thing I like to tellmy mom friends to do when they do this,
because they have told me that when theyleave the cleanser in the bathroom,
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they'll go back in like a month later andthey'll say there's only half of it left.
So he's obviously washing his face.
He just doesn't want to tell me.
But to also label on the bottle
with a Sharpie, either an AM or PM,so they know
sunscreen goes on in the morningand you can use the cleanser
morning and night and not be so confusedthat they don't even use anything.
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Right or that they're putting that SPF onbefore they go to bed.
Not necessary. That is such a great tip.
I mean, I feel likeI do that on my own products at home.
I have my night setbecause, you know, it can get confusing.
So, you
know,I think a lot about the influencers, too.
Right.
And I when I and let's talk aboutmaybe some of the older
teenage kids now
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who have phones who are looking at TikTokor are looking at Instagram,
some of the stuff that I see people doing,which is great, but like dripping,
you know, that looks great in video,but maybe it isn't the best
realistic applicationof how to use this stuff.
Where do you kind of broach that?
Does your daughter come to you and say,
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my gosh, I need to, I'mfollowing this makeup person?
But they're like Drew drippinghalf a bottle of foundation
on their face, and then this looks good.
I saw her do that once I walkedinto her room while she was getting ready.
We're going out to dinnerand I saw her with the dropper
and she's like,dropping it all over her face.
I said, What are you doing?
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And this was couple of years agobefore I saw that like, be a thing, right?
And she's like,I saw this chick Tucker, do it.
It's so cool.
I'm like, That is sothose are A and B, unsanitary,
because when you're doing your skincare,you always want to start
with clean hands, right?
But when you're taking an applicatorand you're putting it on your skin back
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into the bottle, it falls on the floor,it falls into the sink.
It nixes like God only knows what elseis, you know, lying around.
You can potentially pick upsome type of like bacteria
and you become contaminated and you'rejust spreading it all over your face
and seeing what the skin smoothie is.
I don't I don't think it's necessarilyI don't understand it.
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It's like you're mixing
products on top of a dirty cap
that has never been cleaned.
And the only way I can describe itis you make this beautiful meal
and you put it on a dirty plateand then you eat it.
It's like you know. Yeah.
And you and I know too, thatlike a lot of these things that we see,
like, I'll watch some of these makeuptrends and listen,
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they're greatand not I'm not knocking them.
The makeup is beautiful.
But, you know, when you have that muchmakeup on, it might look great on camera.
But if you were to walk outside that
thick of makeupand I don't care if you're you've got baby
like the most perfect skin ever, it'sgoing to look terrible.
Yeah.
I mean, there's an influencerthat my daughter follows
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and she got me to start following her.
And I mean,I said to her, Madison, one day, I said,
Do you know how much makeup she has on?
It's like layer
after layer after layer and foundationall over the eyes and the mouth
and then contour and then powderand more powder, more concern, concealer.
I said, there is
I mean, you have to wash your facelike seven times to get that off.
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That is just not it's not realisticand it's not easy either. No.
And not only that, I'm telling you.
So when I worked when I you know where
I'm going to not mention the network,but I would work at this.
I worked in television network on airand the makeup artists
who are amazingly talented and wonderfuland the makeup looks fabulous on camera.
But when I walked outside,I literally had to wipe
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half of it because otherwise it's likeyou look like a hooker and not a good one.
And I'm sorry to say that,but that's kind of what it looked like.
What about.
You know, I had a friend of the familycalled me the other day whose daughter
is in her mid-teensand wanted eyelash extensions,
and she called me and she was like,my daughter's telling me they're okay.
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They're not going to harm her.
And I was like, No, that is not true.
Eyelash extensions definitely dodamage to the eyelash long term.
They just do.
Not to mention the factthat if you're allergic to glue,
there can be so many issues.
How do you start to,you know, talk to your teens
when they want to do somethingthat's beyond, you know, just going
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to, you know,the makeup store and buying a mascara.
I think the thing that is really important
to get them to understandis the long term effects,
like you were just saying,of some of these treatments,
but also the maintenance that's involvedand the cost because something
like eyelash extensions or microblading,for example, or a keratin treatment
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balayage highlights, whateverit might be, you're going to do it once.
Most timesyou're going to love it, Love it.
My hair looks so great.
I can't believe I was evernot highlighted.
Highlighter blonds
and they don't realize that there'sa lot of upkeep in that that causes
that can cause damage if you don't carefor whatever was done in the right way.
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And it's also expensiveto maintain it and right.
And it's time consuming.
I mean, I came upon the eyelash extensions because I said
I can't go every 12 days to get on an hourand a half drive there, drive home.
I want. To buy pop. And one. Right?
And I was like,
I would rather just find somereally great mascara and call it a day.
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Yeah.
And there's this whole idea of, I see it,so I have to have it.
But they don't really understandall the different layers
that come along withsome of these treatments.
So I was I was talking to a friend of minewho has two teenage daughters.
I think one is like 18and other might be early twenties.
She's not technically a teenagerand they're always saying
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whenever I see them, my gosh,have you heard about this?
What about this? I want to get that.
And I said to her, beforeyou let them do anything,
let them do their researchand let them see what really is involved
in the whole entire processfrom like soup to nuts
of going to make the consultation,getting the treatment on
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seeing how much time you have to take offto do what, what it's going to cost,
who's going to pay for it,you know, just because, you know,
I mean that they're obligatedto pay for eyelash extensions
and your highlights,you know, some of us do.
But I think it's very importantthat we teach our children
there is a cost involved in all this.
And also what the potential downside ofthis is if you start highlighting
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your hair way too early,you can have extreme breakage.
You might not ever be ableto get your hair back to the state
that it was before you startedbecause it just
is not going to be so healthyand strong and shiny.
And then there's just thingsthat as a parent
you have to make a judgment call and say,You know what,
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I don't think eyelash extensionsare necessary for you.
I don't do them.
I don't believe in them.I don't think they're necessary.
You don't you don't need them.
Or maybe,you know, it's a conversation of well,
I didn't do that until I was 40 years oldand I can afford to pay for it myself.
So when you're 40 years oldand you have the money to spend
however you like,then you can make that decision.
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There's a lot of different ways,I think, to skin the cat, if you will.
But as a parent,you still need to be honest with them
and explain to them also,
some of these treatments are like heretoday, gone tomorrow.
Yeah.
So you might want to do it nowand then you might regret it
and you might say three yearsdown the road, why do you do that?
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And if I didn't really need to get thatsigned, I,
you know, I begged my mom and my dadso much to get a breast reduction.
Now, I wish that
I didn't do it because I would actuallyI wish I would have had what I had before
or I wish I didn't change itbecause I grew into myself.
So a lot of having theseopen conversations and really
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honest with them about it.
The one that makes me cringeis the buccal fat remover.
I'm like, Please don't do that right?
When I mean, I had such around these,I would say till I was about almost 30.
And now it's like it's just not.
And it had I removed thatthat it's like you're going to look
not good.
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So you know and some of these trendsI just I tell people even Botox,
you know, I, I lived in in BayRidge, Brooklyn, which is very like,
you know, hip area of New York in termsof like very boujee in a lot of ways.
And I'll never forget,
I was in my early twentiesand sitting with a woman who was like,
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my ten year old daughter and I get Botox,you should be doing Botox.
It's preventative and
look, I love Botox.
I didn't start till I was 35.
Botox is a slippery slope because thenas you're talking about, it's that cost.
It's maintaining it.
And they've also found that there's longterm kind of downsides of Botox.
Right.
If you paralyze the muscle forever,
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you're going to have dinner skinstarting Botox in your toes.
Don't do it.
I'm sorry.
Just don't do that.
I think there are things like,I know I know young people
who I remember in high schoolwho would have rhinoplasty.
I thought that was verycan be life changing.
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What do you think about peoplegetting like
lip injectionsand boob jobs in their teens?
I don't think it's necessary becauseyou're not you're not fully developed.
You haven't stopped growing.
So decided at 17 years old
that you need to get breast implantswhen you might, you know, go to college
and put on a few poundsbecause your life is going to change.
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You might fill out, you might change.
Sometimes it's
just a changing your dietthat can make your fat
redistribute and gain weight in areaswhere you want it.
I know we can't control that, but
I think that there is
as a teenager,unless it's medically necessary
for a medical purposelike you cannot breathe
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and you need to have a rhinoplastybecause you just have such
a bad deviated septumthat life is unbearable.
But if you're doing it for cosmeticreasons, give it a little bit more time.
There's no reason to rush into it because,
A, you might not
you might not be thinkingthat this is really the end all, be all.
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Once you start with plastic surgeryand you start with the noninvasive
and you start really kind of likepinpointing like,
it's my nose now, it's my lipsnow it's my chin.
You become a slaveto always finding something
that is either a flaw or an imperfectionor that isn't good enough.
And you're like, I want to fix this next.
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And at the teenagers and young adultshave enough pressure on them
just to get through schooland start their lives and be,
you know, just just live and experienceall the things that you should
when you're young, that addingall of that in
it is just not necessary at all.
I really I really don't believe in it.
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And it's funny because my daughter and Iwere talking about something
the other day and she said, Well,one of my friends is getting a nose job.
And I said, first of all, she'sshe's like 15 years old.
Like, who is in their right
mind is even operating on this childbecause she's so she's so young.
You know, it was like not not okay.
But I said, you know, I don't think it'sreally necessary just yet.
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She might want to waita little bit longer and see.
How her face develops.
Robby Right.
You know, I thinkwhat's really nice, Elise,
is that you're kind of telling parentsand giving them permission
to say no or to say, Hey,
let's pause,you know, and not necessarily know
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just because, butgiving some really good reasons for that.
I do want to talk about your skincare line,
which you developed with your daughter.
Tell us about TWiiSHWhy did you develop it?
How did you come up with it?
Which is a line of teenage skin careand when she was first
starting to develop breakouts,I guess it was three years ago.
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Yeah, the beginning of COVID,there was really nothing
that we both agreed onin terms of products.
She wanted something that was cuteand fun and viral,
and she was seeing it all over Instagramand TikTok.
I want something effective.
And we just couldn't meet in the middle.
And it really startedfirst with Let's just get your skin
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to clear up and let's just find something.
But what would she wanted to use?
And I remember taking her to Ulta one day
and she picked out a productand she said, I saw this.
What was the product?
What was the product?
Yeah,
it was a Shiseido Cream.
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And she goes,
I bought this on a Skin Care by HiramTick-Tock and I think I need to get it.
And I looked at itand I read the ingredients and I said,
you're like 13 or 12.
How are rural she was at the time?
I said, You don't need this.
This is,first of all, way too heavy for your skin.
You're we're trying toclear up the breakouts, not give you more.
And I said,and it's also like 90 something dollars,
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which you don't need either.
And I said, No.
And we kind of went down this this road ofme suggesting something to her.
And she would not use it strictlybecause she would say
that's something that you would use,or you have the same one,
you have the same cleanser in your shower.
And I don't want to use that cleanser
because you have that cleanseror you have that sunscreen.
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And then the thing she wanted to use,
I said, There's nothing in herethat's going to help your skin.
So we kind of came up with this ideajust by, you know,
a little bit of trial and error ofI went back to that like my beauty
editor days and said colloidalsilver was something that I always used.
We used to have like this little puffypaint looking two of it in the office
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way back when.
And my editor in chief and I, wheneverwe had any type of ailment, like a rash,
a pimple,
a cut, a bug, but no matter what it was,we scored a little bit of the silver on
and it would take out the rednessand would help the skin to heal.
And then like a day later, I'd be like,Look, it's gone.
So I started with Madison, my daughter.
Kind of the same thingwith a little bit of the silver.
And then we started adding in a low dose,salicylic acid to the mix, and her skin
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started clearing up and I was like, mygosh, I think we might be onto something.
And I looked at her and I go,Do you want to take a skinline line.
And she's like, okay. I like no for now.
And she's like, Really?
I'm like, If I can't find it.
And I know there's other momsthat are out there
because I was having these conversations.
We we're trying to find somethingeffective.
I said, if I can't find itand I have access to
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every product on and,you know, people as well,
there's got to be other peoplethat are in the same boat.
And that's kind ofhow the idea of of TWiiSH came to be.
And then you've got to productsin the line, right?
Yeah.
So yes.
So we've got the cleanser and what else.
We have a cleanser called Peachy Clean.
It's a gel cleanser and we have a spottreatment called zinc Cute.
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And they both have colloidalsilver and salicylic acid
and they're formulated for teen skin.
But literally anybody can use it.
I mean, I use I use them,but they still break out at 45 years old.
Lucky me. Yeah.
So, you know,
we have moms apply the cleanserbecause they like it.
I've had people write in to me
saying that they bought the productsfor their teens,
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but they kind of never gave it to thembecause they're like, I like it.
So actuallyI had to buy another set for them.
So, you know, the whole idea isthat they're formulated for teens
so that they can use it and startto establish healthy skin care habits.
But anybody who's a little bitolder can use it too,
because you can always dial down, butyou can't necessarily dial up, you know.
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So, yes, I might not be able to toleratea product that's made for somebody
who's 45 or 50, but somebody who's 40or 50 can definitely use a cleanser
or a spot treatment made for somebodywho's on the younger side effects.
Amazing.
Now, if people are interested in this,
if they want to pick it up,where can they go?
Switch skin dot com.
It's t w i s h i n.
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And this is you can see it.
That's how we can use it.
I suspect it's totallyNo, it's great. I love it.
And the packaging is so fun.
You know, it feels right for teens.
And I think you said before, you knowteens want to have their own stuff
they don't want to use necessarily.
Even the what
even though what you're what you're usingis probably top of the line.
But, you know, it's nicethat they can have their own thing
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and also have productsthat are formulated specifically for them.
Because, again,
some of the ingredients that you're goingto find in something like a Shiseido
is a beautiful, wonderfulbrand just aren't right for teenage skin.
Not to mention the factthat it is very expensive.
You know, before we go,is there anything else that feel like,
you know, as a mom yourself,you know, in dealing with this advice
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that you want to give to parents out theresort of about broaching
skincare with their kids, broachinganything that we've talked about today?
I think it's just
really all about having these honestconversations without pointing the finger
and making them feel likeyou're not doing something right.
You know, it's as simple as havingjust a basic conversation about,
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I saw something you might want to try it.
Or if you're you know,I heard you were talking to your father
the other day that you're upset,
that you keep on breaking outand you don't understand.
Maybewe should go to a dermatologist about it
if you want, when you're ready,rather than having, you know, a
like brawl about it or making them feellike there's something wrong with them
(35:36):
because we've all had to dealwith something, whether it's acne or,
you know, maybe it's weed or a maybe it'snot feeling like you're good enough.
Student Like we all have something, right?
And the worst thing ismake somebody feel bad about it.
Just instead, try and like tread lightlyand make them feel like I'm
not alone in this situation.
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I have somebody who's supporting meand somebody who is here to help me.
And if they are interestedin taking care of their skin or venturing
into skin care, just try and help themunderstand what their skin type is.
It's as simpleas going on to like Google and just,
you know, you can Googlelike how do I find out my skin type?
Because there's very simple stepsthat you can use after you wash your face.
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You can put a tissue up to your face andsee if there's oil on the tissue leftover.
Then you have oily skin.
If it's completely bone dry,like we have dry skin, you know, there's
there's this different little like easydo tests at home that costs nothing.
And they take like not even a minute.
And that can help put you on the pathto success in figuring out.
(36:42):
All right.
I have acne prone skinor I have sensitive skin.
I need to stay within this laneand use these ingredients
and just not to be overly influencedjust because something looks cool
and everyone's doing it
doesn't necessarily mean that it's it'sright for them or it's right for you.
(37:03):
Yeah.
And just to second that with the parents,you know,
be carefulabout some of these trends that you see.
I've seen some things that go viraland I'm like, this is actually horrific
and super damaging. Right?
We said that that eyedropper,you know, it's like,
wait a minute, this is not right.
It might look cool, but, you know, butthen listen, I'm not going to knock it.
(37:25):
There's also really greathacks on on, on, on on social media.
Are there any young social mediainfluencers that your daughter follows
that you really feel likekind of deliver on their promise
or that you recommend.
She follow is a bunch
(37:45):
I like.
So she's a very big Alex for all fanI think age girl is
but I like what I like about heris not only did she seem like real,
but that she's honestabout her struggles with acne
and that she saidthat she's gone on Accutane so many times
and then she's tried frontal act toneand she'll take the beauty filter off.
(38:07):
And sometimes Madison and I will watch hervideos and I'll say, you know what?
Like I give her a lot of creditfor doing that because she's connecting
with other people and letting them knowthat, you know, she's this beautiful girl
who has made this crazy career for herselfwhile she was still in college.
And everybody wants you know, all theseyoung girls want to be like her,
(38:28):
but she's just taking off the filterand showing them like,
this is who I really am.
And this is somethingthat I struggle with.
And just because I do doesn't meanthat I can't have a football and an NFL
football player and I can't livein this crazy, beautiful apartment.
And I can still have it all too.And so can you.
And like yeah I'm I solutionI said to my daughter I'm like, that's
really cool because it makes it moreit makes her more human.
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And I think that some of these influencerslack that and everything is
just, you know, rainbows and unicornsand everything is wonderful.
And I look perfect all the time.
And I just I think that there has to bea human side to it
because at the end of the day,we're all humans.
And, you know, to pretendthat everything is always perfect
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and our skin is always perfectand our hair as was,
I mean, I didn't wake up looking like thatthis morning, okay? no.
No, no, no, no.
Same same sister, same.
But I have to be real.
And I think that there are some people whodo a great job of it, and kudos to them.
But then there are somethat it's just like, my God,
please stop showing yourself like in bedwith a full face of makeup
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on, Like you're going to sleep like thatbecause it's not real life, you know?
Not real life.
my God. Please.
I love you.
I could talk with you for hours and hours.
You know,
if people want to know more about TWiiSHthey can go to TWiiSH skin dot com.
And again, it's TWiiSH.skin.com. I
will have a link in the show notes
and if they want to reach out to you
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and follow you on socials,how can they find you?
Please do.
I am on Instagram.
My handle is Elise TabinI also have a website elisetabin.com
that I am going to get back in.
And so putting up content,
all types of fun beauty contentand I send out a newsletter there too
and Tik-tok -it’s elisetabin12 on Tik Tok.
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Amazing.
Thank you so much for being with us today.
I love talking you.
And if you're listening at homeand if you've got questions
that you want to send to meor you want me to pass along to Elise,
I'm always happy to do that. Email us.
at hello@artbeautypodcast.com,you can find us on Facebook, Instagram and
YouTube @ArtBeautyPodcast And as always,we'll see you next Tuesday. Bye.
This is the Art Beauty podcast,where we are always reaching for truth
in beauty.
Remember, the brands on the showare not paying to be here,
so we get to ask those hard questions.
We know you want the answers too,because you deserve to be informed
so you can make the best choicesfor yourself.
With that said, I'm Amber Milt, and todaymy fabulous co-host is Elise Tabin.
She is a beauty editor, expert, educatorand also
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the founder of TWiiSH Skincare,which is a new line for teens.
We will be talkingabout that later in the show.
But before we get to that,we're going to be talking today
about how to talk to your kidsand your teenagers about skincare.
Teenage years.
I know mine were a little hairy,so I'm sure that can be a little tricky.
Elise, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for being here today.
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Thank you for having me.
I am so excited to be here.
So, you know, people have been listeningin on this for a while.
Know that I don't have kids.
It just didn't work out for me.
But I do have a lot of friendsnow who are having kids.
And believe it or not,
they're going into those teenage years,which is just mind blowing.
And I hear from so many different womenthat, you know,
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how do you broachskincare with your kids now?
You have you have a children's book.
Tell us a little bit about your situation.
I have a 15 year old daughterwho is like the mini, my mini me.
She is equally as obsessed with everything
beauty, skincare, makeup, hair care.
She grew up around it from an early age.
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I think when she was like two years old,she used to ask for a bath bomb
when she would take a bathbecause she just thought it was so hot.
And seeing the water cannons colors.
But I understand what you're sayingand that a lot of moms who
are raising teenagersor have even older teenagers
that are in the college years
or just graduating college and are comingto them saying, what do I do about this?
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How do I start taking care of my skin?
I'm only 13 or 14 years old.
There's so much information out thereright now, and it is super confusing
for a lot of these younger peopleto understand not only the importance
of skin care and why it's always goodto start early, but where to start.
It's very it's very overwhelming.
(02:13):
And I always say you have to really look
at what your main skin concernsare more than anything else.
Don't follow the viral trends.
Don't buyit just because somebody else has it
and it looks pretty on their shelfor on their bathroom counter.
Really take the time to understandyour skin and its needs
because if you're super oily and acneprone slugging is going to be probably
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the worst thing you can do, for example.
But because it's everywhere,you might think, I need to do it.
So there's really a first step of tryingto get to know
your skin and what it really needs.
That's my biggest piece of informationas to where to start today.
If you're a of skin care.
So making sure that you are talkingto your teen about what
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their specific skincareproblems are is super important.
You know, you brought up a good pointabout social media.
You know, so again, I'm not a parent.I don't know.
But how much do you find these daysthat kids are really being influenced
by social media?
And I know that depends. Right.
Some some teenagers have phones,some don't.
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But but are there other influences,I'm sure, like at school
or whatare you seeing these days with that?
I think social mediais probably the most prominent
element in howthey are influenced on a regular basis.
And then for the kids and teensthat maybe don't have access
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to social media or have a phone, like yousaid, there is a trickle down effect.
So, you know, if they're at school
and sitting at the lunch tableand they're talking about,
would you buy it support or whatare you getting for the holidays,
they're going to hear about itfrom somebody else
if they're not privyto that information themselves.
But these these kids are so consumedby social media,
I would say more than probably 90%of what they are
(04:01):
looking to buy and get into is based offwhat they're seeing.
You know, it's so funny.
I was trying to think about this today,you know, knowing
that we were goingto be talking about this
and what what it was like for meas a teen.
My sister is a makeup artist,so I definitely remember sneaking into her
kit and like, trying on her lipstickswhen I was like, about,
you know, your daughter's agefrom a very young age.
(04:23):
But then I was thinking, you know,
I lived in a in a in sort of aI wasn't in a big city.
I was in more of a rural area.
And so I'm trying to remember, like,was it like
teen magazine that I was reading?
You know,why I, I do remember Osea Scrunch spray.
Do you remember that?
Right.
And it was like everybody had it right.
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But I feel like these days, I mean,with between TV and just walking around,
I mean, going to the mall,you're just bombarded.
You know, we didn't have stores likeSephora when when when I was a teenager.
So I imagine now it's it's it's
got to be overwhelming for kidsand also for parents.
So I think it was really good.
You talked about, you know, payingattention to what your teen's needs are.
(05:11):
But when do you feel like it's good
to even start talking about thingslike basic grooming, you know,
brushing your teeth, making sure you'reshowering, washing your face at night?
I've always
been a big believernot everybody agrees with me, but
for me and somethingthat I instilled in my daughter
very early on was youryour face is part of your body.
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You know, just likewe're taught at a very young age.
We teach our childrento brush their teeth.
I mean, they're using maybe toothbrushesand toothpaste
as early as a few months, six months old.
You know,they are learning to take proper showers
to wash their hairor wash their body parts.
And I've always believed that your facedoesn't need
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to be neglected in your whole hygieneand grooming routine.
So for her specifically,I started at a very young age.
I want to saymaybe she was like four or five years old
with when you go into the shower,you're going to use
and she was using like the most basicand I think we even actually started with
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just water just to get her into the habitof doing of washing your face.
Let's put some water on your face,maybe take a washcloth that was clean
and just kind of pat it down.
So she got into the habit of itand she would saying to me, like,
I don't understand whyI put soap everywhere else and in my hair,
but we're not using soap on my face.
I said, okay, well, let's get there.You know.
(06:39):
Well, clowns are actually not soap,but let's get there.
And I slowly work her into it.
And as she got older and startedhaving more concerns
with her skin, with eczema,so she had some dryness.
So we had a dryness first.
And then around the age of 11 or 12,we started with some of the whiteheads
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and blackheads. So we started at that.
But I think that there's really no
to early age, if you will, to start it,
if you're talking about likejust basic cleansing because
as children start to develop their bodieschange and their skin changes
and they start to producemore oil on their face
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and they're playing sportsand you want to teach them
that it is proper hygieneto wash your face just like
you are goingto brush your teeth in the morning
before you go to schooland brush your hair and put on deodorant.
When you get to a certain agebecause you need it.
And all these things that we do naturally
as adults, that as children,they don't know to do it.
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So they have to be taught.
So I think it's a lot about where they are
in that particular stage of lifeand where it's acceptable,
but also that there's no
harm in teaching your kidsproper grooming, and especially if it's
something that maybe you weren't, what,as a teenager or a child.
But, you know, it's importantto teach them before it becomes a problem.
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So, you know, it sounds like your daughter
was very open and accepting to this.
Right.
You know, probablygrowing up with a beauty editor mom
and seeing that this is a businessand watching your routine.
You know, she was kind of like, I'minterested in curious and want to do that.
What about when when parents have kidswho are are really reluctant to that?
(08:25):
You know,
and I think I don't want to say itas I'm sure there's a lot of boys
who are very open to it.
But, you know, I think of that,you know, boy, who might start to go
because in the teenagerswere having massive hormonal shifts, too.
Right.
And have that teenage acne
and maybe he's just embarrassed about itand doesn't want to talk about it.
What advice do youhave for parents to sort of
(08:49):
broach that subject with their teens?
I've had this conversationwith so many of my friends who have sons
and they say I cannot get my childto wash his face for the life of me.
And I tell them, don't fight with himwhen he is.
If he doesn't want to do it right now,he will get to the point
or she will get to the pointwhen they will want to do it.
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There are some timeswhen you just have to let them
kind of figure it out on their own.
You can introduce it to themand the concept.
But if they're going to be so reluctantand to say,
I am not washing my faceand they're going to fight you on it,
they might have to take it upon themselves
that when they're ready toto to start to take those high
(09:31):
hygiene stepsand just start to do it on their own.
But I always say leave
a bottle of cleanser in their bathroom,let them know it's there.
If you notice when you go with itafter a couple of weeks that, you know,
maybe they don't tell you
the washing their face, but you can tellthat it's a little less spill,
then they're doing something right.Maybe they don't want you to know.
Sometimesit's just an embarrassment thing.
It's like they've all been there. Like,Stop it, Mom.
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I know I don't need you to tell me.
And othertimes, there's the kids that will,
you know, come to the moms and dadsand say, I'm breaking out.
I don't know what to do.
And maybe the face washes in enough.
Maybe I need something else.
It's partially just growing upand learning to take care of yourself.
(10:16):
But also, you know, again, with thiswhole influence and with the teenagers
I see, especially with boys,once they reach about 14, 15 years old
and they start really becoming in tuneto their appearance and girls
and they want to have clear skinand look good,
that they'll be more inclinedto take care of their skin
(10:38):
and start to practicesome of the skin care habits.
And girls on the other sidestart to do that in an earlier age.
And I think that just part of just,you know, like nature and just how we are
as human beings.
I mean, it's got to be so tough to write,like for for people
with like cystic acne,you know, that that has to be so
(10:59):
yeah, I'm sure as parents,you want to be very sensitive
to not make your childfeel worse about it,
but to make sure that you're handling it.
You know, do have tips on that,like when it's time to
to actually see it like a professionaland specifically a doctor.
I think that when you're
no back up a second, when you know thatyour child is suffering from anything.
(11:23):
Right.
Whether it's skin, whether it'ssomething medical or whether it's
maybe something emotional,you obviously want to do whatever you can
as a parent to make them feel comfortableand feel confident.
And we will doI do whatever I can in my power.
I know a lot of parents feel the same way,
but you also don'twant to make them feel bad about it.
(11:44):
So it's a very small line abouthow do I talk to them about it
without making them feel like they're likeI'm pointing the finger at them
or they're being judged,or that all I look at on them is their
skin and not look at anything elsethat makes them who they are.
So I think it's about just being honestand having real conversations.
I mean, yelling and screamingand making somebody feel bad
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about something that they can't control.
Like acne is never the solution.
And if you're not the personthat can talk to them
or they don't feel comfortabletalking to you about them,
maybe it's somebody else,maybe it's a friend, maybe it's a cousin.
Maybe they will feel more comfortabletalking to a doctor, or even if it's,
you know, an influencerthat they can talk to
that might have gonethrough similar situations
(12:27):
as long as they can find somebodythat they feel confident in discussing
what they're dealing withand what they want to fix about it.
I say that's that's totally cool.
You know, whatever, whatever works,it doesn't necessarily always have to be
the mom or the dad because sometimesthey don't want to tell us.
They want to tell somebodywho isn't going to be in their house
and writing them every 5 seconds about,did you put on your medicine?
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Did you take your pill, did you do this?Do you wash your face?
So I always say that however you get to
that end goal, it's okay and just do it.
But also for the parent who has triedeverything and they say, okay,
we did all the at home products,we did the treatments,
and now I need to do the next thing,my last resort.
(13:12):
Where do I turn?
Sometimes you
do have to go to a dermatologist,and there's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, that's why they're there.
You know, that's why they holdthese degrees and especially if you know
that everything you've done as a parent inyour power has not been able
to rectify the situation, then, yes,a medical professional is the way to go
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in terms of cystic acne,that that will always require
a different course of treatmentthan just a few hormonal breakouts
or changes to the skinthat happened throughout life.
So when you know that
there is acnethat is just not calming down
and it's super inflamed and redand there is just nothing
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that is this helping to make itget any better,
even if it's only 10% better,then that's the time when you really need
to go find a dermatologist in your areathat you trust.
You can helpbecause not treating it is almost worse.
Whateverthey're going to put you on for medication
because that can causea lot of emotional distress and scarring
(14:20):
and changesto the structure of the skin and damage.
And then you're adding a whole nother
set of problemsthat are much harder to correct.
And that will be around for a lot longerthan your teenage acne.
You know, I want to go backto something that you said, and I
really want to echo this because I've got11 I've got 13 nieces and nephews
(14:42):
and 13 nieces and nephews,and I've watched them go from,
you know, young kids to nowthrough teen agers into their twenties.
One of the thingsthat's really interesting
and I know this from my ownpersonal experience, I do believe that
at a certain point, letting kidscome to deal with things on their own.
For me, it wasn't a skin problem,but but I was overweight.
(15:03):
And I remember, you know,now I've talked to my mother about this,
and my mother was like,she will make that decision.
She told me my grandmother used to callher crying, get her on a diet, do this.
And she said, no.
At some pointshe's going to realize it for herself.
And I did.
And I've seen, you know, kidswith skin problems
who eventually will come and dealwith that.
I've watched kids with weight problemsdeal with that
and other emotional problemswho really have all at a certain point
(15:26):
learned to take that on.
So I do second that at a certain point,you have to kind of let your children
be themselves and learn to kind of start
to stand up for themselvesand ask for the things they need.
You know, you did mention influencers
and one of the thingsand actually there's two things
and you mentioned leaving productsin the bathroom.
So let's start with the productsin the bathroom because I know
(15:48):
it's in my bathroom and I don't knowthat it would be right for a 15 year old.
So how can you make sure, Right.
You know,
you want to be careful that you're notleaving, probably like the heavy retinol
and stuff like that in your bathroomfor your younger child to be using?
Right. Right.
I would say basics.
So a cleanser
(16:10):
is alwayseveryone needs to wash their face
no matter what skin type you have.
And if they're not going to wash itin the shower, they can do it at the sink.
If they're not going to wash it inthe sink,
they can do in the shower if you canonly at one point get them to wash it.
At the end of the day when they come homeand get everything off their skin,
so be it.
Maybe they'll wash twice a day.
(16:31):
It really depends.
Again, back to their skin typeand what their skin needs.
But I always say to be super simple,and this is also for
we're talking more about the child
who might be a little bit more reluctantor maybe not so into skin care cleansers.
Always great.
A light moisturizer, super, super basic.
If they have oily skinor somebody who breaks out
(16:53):
like a gel cream moisturizeror even like a light hydrating serum.
But again,none of the ingredients that you and I
are going to be usingbecause their skin's not are so super
basic things that are formulatedfor this skin type,
for youngerskin is where you want to start.
And definitely no retinol,no heavy scrubs.
(17:17):
They don't need anything with vitamin Cor peptides or collagen stimulators.
You know, they have the best skinlike in terms of collagen elasticity.
That's whatwe all want to get back to at some point.
So I would say just super, super simple.
And also another thing I like to tellmy mom friends to do when they do this,
because they have told me that when theyleave the cleanser in the bathroom,
(17:38):
they'll go back in like a month later andthey'll say there's only half of it left.
So he's obviously washing his face.
He just doesn't want to tell me.
But to also label on the bottle
with a Sharpie, either an AM or PM,so they know
sunscreen goes on in the morningand you can use the cleanser
morning and night and not be so confusedthat they don't even use anything.
(18:02):
Right or that they're putting that SPF onbefore they go to bed.
Not necessary. That is such a great tip.
I mean, I feel likeI do that on my own products at home.
I have my night setbecause, you know, it can get confusing.
So, you
know,I think a lot about the influencers, too.
Right.
And I when I and let's talk aboutmaybe some of the older
teenage kids now
(18:23):
who have phones who are looking at TikTokor are looking at Instagram,
some of the stuff that I see people doing,which is great, but like dripping,
you know, that looks great in video,but maybe it isn't the best
realistic applicationof how to use this stuff.
Where do you kind of broach that?
Does your daughter come to you and say,
(18:43):
my gosh, I need to, I'mfollowing this makeup person?
But they're like Drew drippinghalf a bottle of foundation
on their face, and then this looks good.
I saw her do that once I walkedinto her room while she was getting ready.
We're going out to dinnerand I saw her with the dropper
and she's like,dropping it all over her face.
I said, What are you doing?
(19:03):
And this was couple of years agobefore I saw that like, be a thing, right?
And she's like,I saw this chick Tucker, do it.
It's so cool.
I'm like, That is sothose are A and B, unsanitary,
because when you're doing your skincare,you always want to start
with clean hands, right?
But when you're taking an applicatorand you're putting it on your skin back
(19:24):
into the bottle, it falls on the floor,it falls into the sink.
It nixes like God only knows what elseis, you know, lying around.
You can potentially pick upsome type of like bacteria
and you become contaminated and you'rejust spreading it all over your face
and seeing what the skin smoothie is.
I don't I don't think it's necessarilyI don't understand it.
(19:48):
It's like you're mixing
products on top of a dirty cap
that has never been cleaned.
And the only way I can describe itis you make this beautiful meal
and you put it on a dirty plateand then you eat it.
It's like you know. Yeah.
And you and I know too, thatlike a lot of these things that we see,
like, I'll watch some of these makeuptrends and listen,
(20:10):
they're greatand not I'm not knocking them.
The makeup is beautiful.
But, you know, when you have that muchmakeup on, it might look great on camera.
But if you were to walk outside that
thick of makeupand I don't care if you're you've got baby
like the most perfect skin ever, it'sgoing to look terrible.
Yeah.
I mean, there's an influencerthat my daughter follows
(20:32):
and she got me to start following her.
And I mean,I said to her, Madison, one day, I said,
Do you know how much makeup she has on?
It's like layer
after layer after layer and foundationall over the eyes and the mouth
and then contour and then powderand more powder, more concern, concealer.
I said, there is
I mean, you have to wash your facelike seven times to get that off.
(20:56):
That is just not it's not realisticand it's not easy either. No.
And not only that, I'm telling you.
So when I worked when I you know where
I'm going to not mention the network,but I would work at this.
I worked in television network on airand the makeup artists
who are amazingly talented and wonderfuland the makeup looks fabulous on camera.
But when I walked outside,I literally had to wipe
(21:17):
half of it because otherwise it's likeyou look like a hooker and not a good one.
And I'm sorry to say that,but that's kind of what it looked like.
What about.
You know, I had a friend of the familycalled me the other day whose daughter
is in her mid-teensand wanted eyelash extensions,
and she called me and she was like,my daughter's telling me they're okay.
(21:40):
They're not going to harm her.
And I was like, No, that is not true.
Eyelash extensions definitely dodamage to the eyelash long term.
They just do.
Not to mention the factthat if you're allergic to glue,
there can be so many issues.
How do you start to,you know, talk to your teens
when they want to do somethingthat's beyond, you know, just going
(22:00):
to, you know,the makeup store and buying a mascara.
I think the thing that is really important
to get them to understandis the long term effects,
like you were just saying,of some of these treatments,
but also the maintenance that's involvedand the cost because something
like eyelash extensions or microblading,for example, or a keratin treatment
(22:27):
balayage highlights, whateverit might be, you're going to do it once.
Most timesyou're going to love it, Love it.
My hair looks so great.
I can't believe I was evernot highlighted.
Highlighter blonds
and they don't realize that there'sa lot of upkeep in that that causes
that can cause damage if you don't carefor whatever was done in the right way.
(22:50):
And it's also expensiveto maintain it and right.
And it's time consuming.
I mean, I came upon the eyelash extensions because I said
I can't go every 12 days to get on an hourand a half drive there, drive home.
I want. To buy pop. And one. Right?
And I was like,
I would rather just find somereally great mascara and call it a day.
(23:12):
Yeah.
And there's this whole idea of, I see it,so I have to have it.
But they don't really understandall the different layers
that come along withsome of these treatments.
So I was I was talking to a friend of minewho has two teenage daughters.
I think one is like 18and other might be early twenties.
She's not technically a teenagerand they're always saying
(23:34):
whenever I see them, my gosh,have you heard about this?
What about this? I want to get that.
And I said to her, beforeyou let them do anything,
let them do their researchand let them see what really is involved
in the whole entire processfrom like soup to nuts
of going to make the consultation,getting the treatment on
(23:56):
seeing how much time you have to take offto do what, what it's going to cost,
who's going to pay for it,you know, just because, you know,
I mean that they're obligatedto pay for eyelash extensions
and your highlights,you know, some of us do.
But I think it's very importantthat we teach our children
there is a cost involved in all this.
And also what the potential downside ofthis is if you start highlighting
(24:18):
your hair way too early,you can have extreme breakage.
You might not ever be ableto get your hair back to the state
that it was before you startedbecause it just
is not going to be so healthyand strong and shiny.
And then there's just thingsthat as a parent
you have to make a judgment call and say,You know what,
(24:39):
I don't think eyelash extensionsare necessary for you.
I don't do them.
I don't believe in them.I don't think they're necessary.
You don't you don't need them.
Or maybe,you know, it's a conversation of well,
I didn't do that until I was 40 years oldand I can afford to pay for it myself.
So when you're 40 years oldand you have the money to spend
however you like,then you can make that decision.
(24:59):
There's a lot of different ways,I think, to skin the cat, if you will.
But as a parent,you still need to be honest with them
and explain to them also,
some of these treatments are like heretoday, gone tomorrow.
Yeah.
So you might want to do it nowand then you might regret it
and you might say three yearsdown the road, why do you do that?
(25:19):
And if I didn't really need to get thatsigned, I,
you know, I begged my mom and my dadso much to get a breast reduction.
Now, I wish that
I didn't do it because I would actuallyI wish I would have had what I had before
or I wish I didn't change itbecause I grew into myself.
So a lot of having theseopen conversations and really
(25:41):
honest with them about it.
The one that makes me cringeis the buccal fat remover.
I'm like, Please don't do that right?
When I mean, I had such around these,I would say till I was about almost 30.
And now it's like it's just not.
And it had I removed thatthat it's like you're going to look
not good.
(26:01):
So you know and some of these trendsI just I tell people even Botox,
you know, I, I lived in in BayRidge, Brooklyn, which is very like,
you know, hip area of New York in termsof like very boujee in a lot of ways.
And I'll never forget,
I was in my early twentiesand sitting with a woman who was like,
(26:21):
my ten year old daughter and I get Botox,you should be doing Botox.
It's preventative and
look, I love Botox.
I didn't start till I was 35.
Botox is a slippery slope because thenas you're talking about, it's that cost.
It's maintaining it.
And they've also found that there's longterm kind of downsides of Botox.
Right.
If you paralyze the muscle forever,
(26:42):
you're going to have dinner skinstarting Botox in your toes.
Don't do it.
I'm sorry.
Just don't do that.
I think there are things like,I know I know young people
who I remember in high schoolwho would have rhinoplasty.
I thought that was verycan be life changing.
(27:02):
What do you think about peoplegetting like
lip injectionsand boob jobs in their teens?
I don't think it's necessary becauseyou're not you're not fully developed.
You haven't stopped growing.
So decided at 17 years old
that you need to get breast implantswhen you might, you know, go to college
and put on a few poundsbecause your life is going to change.
(27:23):
You might fill out, you might change.
Sometimes it's
just a changing your dietthat can make your fat
redistribute and gain weight in areaswhere you want it.
I know we can't control that, but
I think that there is
as a teenager,unless it's medically necessary
for a medical purposelike you cannot breathe
(27:48):
and you need to have a rhinoplastybecause you just have such
a bad deviated septumthat life is unbearable.
But if you're doing it for cosmeticreasons, give it a little bit more time.
There's no reason to rush into it because,
A, you might not
you might not be thinkingthat this is really the end all, be all.
(28:10):
Once you start with plastic surgeryand you start with the noninvasive
and you start really kind of likepinpointing like,
it's my nose now, it's my lipsnow it's my chin.
You become a slaveto always finding something
that is either a flaw or an imperfectionor that isn't good enough.
And you're like, I want to fix this next.
(28:33):
And at the teenagers and young adultshave enough pressure on them
just to get through schooland start their lives and be,
you know, just just live and experienceall the things that you should
when you're young, that addingall of that in
it is just not necessary at all.
I really I really don't believe in it.
(28:53):
And it's funny because my daughter and Iwere talking about something
the other day and she said, Well,one of my friends is getting a nose job.
And I said, first of all, she'sshe's like 15 years old.
Like, who is in their right
mind is even operating on this childbecause she's so she's so young.
You know, it was like not not okay.
But I said, you know, I don't think it'sreally necessary just yet.
(29:15):
She might want to waita little bit longer and see.
How her face develops.
Robby Right.
You know, I thinkwhat's really nice, Elise,
is that you're kind of telling parentsand giving them permission
to say no or to say, Hey,
let's pause,you know, and not necessarily know
(29:37):
just because, butgiving some really good reasons for that.
I do want to talk about your skincare line,
which you developed with your daughter.
Tell us about TWiiSHWhy did you develop it?
How did you come up with it?
Which is a line of teenage skin careand when she was first
starting to develop breakouts,I guess it was three years ago.
(29:59):
Yeah, the beginning of COVID,there was really nothing
that we both agreed onin terms of products.
She wanted something that was cuteand fun and viral,
and she was seeing it all over Instagramand TikTok.
I want something effective.
And we just couldn't meet in the middle.
And it really startedfirst with Let's just get your skin
(30:21):
to clear up and let's just find something.
But what would she wanted to use?
And I remember taking her to Ulta one day
and she picked out a productand she said, I saw this.
What was the product?
What was the product?
Yeah,
it was a Shiseido Cream.
(30:41):
And she goes,
I bought this on a Skin Care by HiramTick-Tock and I think I need to get it.
And I looked at itand I read the ingredients and I said,
you're like 13 or 12.
How are rural she was at the time?
I said, You don't need this.
This is,first of all, way too heavy for your skin.
You're we're trying toclear up the breakouts, not give you more.
And I said,and it's also like 90 something dollars,
(31:03):
which you don't need either.
And I said, No.
And we kind of went down this this road ofme suggesting something to her.
And she would not use it strictlybecause she would say
that's something that you would use,or you have the same one,
you have the same cleanser in your shower.
And I don't want to use that cleanser
because you have that cleanseror you have that sunscreen.
(31:26):
And then the thing she wanted to use,
I said, There's nothing in herethat's going to help your skin.
So we kind of came up with this ideajust by, you know,
a little bit of trial and error ofI went back to that like my beauty
editor days and said colloidalsilver was something that I always used.
We used to have like this little puffypaint looking two of it in the office
(31:48):
way back when.
And my editor in chief and I, wheneverwe had any type of ailment, like a rash,
a pimple,
a cut, a bug, but no matter what it was,we scored a little bit of the silver on
and it would take out the rednessand would help the skin to heal.
And then like a day later, I'd be like,Look, it's gone.
So I started with Madison, my daughter.
Kind of the same thingwith a little bit of the silver.
And then we started adding in a low dose,salicylic acid to the mix, and her skin
(32:13):
started clearing up and I was like, mygosh, I think we might be onto something.
And I looked at her and I go,Do you want to take a skinline line.
And she's like, okay. I like no for now.
And she's like, Really?
I'm like, If I can't find it.
And I know there's other momsthat are out there
because I was having these conversations.
We we're trying to find somethingeffective.
I said, if I can't find itand I have access to
(32:36):
every product on and,you know, people as well,
there's got to be other peoplethat are in the same boat.
And that's kind ofhow the idea of of TWiiSH came to be.
And then you've got to productsin the line, right?
Yeah.
So yes.
So we've got the cleanser and what else.
We have a cleanser called Peachy Clean.
It's a gel cleanser and we have a spottreatment called zinc Cute.
(33:01):
And they both have colloidalsilver and salicylic acid
and they're formulated for teen skin.
But literally anybody can use it.
I mean, I use I use them,but they still break out at 45 years old.
Lucky me. Yeah.
So, you know,
we have moms apply the cleanserbecause they like it.
I've had people write in to me
saying that they bought the productsfor their teens,
(33:22):
but they kind of never gave it to thembecause they're like, I like it.
So actuallyI had to buy another set for them.
So, you know, the whole idea isthat they're formulated for teens
so that they can use it and startto establish healthy skin care habits.
But anybody who's a little bitolder can use it too,
because you can always dial down, butyou can't necessarily dial up, you know.
(33:44):
So, yes, I might not be able to toleratea product that's made for somebody
who's 45 or 50, but somebody who's 40or 50 can definitely use a cleanser
or a spot treatment made for somebodywho's on the younger side effects.
Amazing.
Now, if people are interested in this,
if they want to pick it up,where can they go?
Switch skin dot com.
It's t w i s h i n.
(34:07):
And this is you can see it.
That's how we can use it.
I suspect it's totallyNo, it's great. I love it.
And the packaging is so fun.
You know, it feels right for teens.
And I think you said before, you knowteens want to have their own stuff
they don't want to use necessarily.
Even the what
even though what you're what you're usingis probably top of the line.
But, you know, it's nicethat they can have their own thing
(34:29):
and also have productsthat are formulated specifically for them.
Because, again,
some of the ingredients that you're goingto find in something like a Shiseido
is a beautiful, wonderfulbrand just aren't right for teenage skin.
Not to mention the factthat it is very expensive.
You know, before we go,is there anything else that feel like,
you know, as a mom yourself,you know, in dealing with this advice
(34:51):
that you want to give to parents out theresort of about broaching
skincare with their kids, broachinganything that we've talked about today?
I think it's just
really all about having these honestconversations without pointing the finger
and making them feel likeyou're not doing something right.
You know, it's as simple as havingjust a basic conversation about,
(35:15):
I saw something you might want to try it.
Or if you're you know,I heard you were talking to your father
the other day that you're upset,
that you keep on breaking outand you don't understand.
Maybewe should go to a dermatologist about it
if you want, when you're ready,rather than having, you know, a
like brawl about it or making them feellike there's something wrong with them
(35:36):
because we've all had to dealwith something, whether it's acne or,
you know, maybe it's weed or a maybe it'snot feeling like you're good enough.
Student Like we all have something, right?
And the worst thing ismake somebody feel bad about it.
Just instead, try and like tread lightlyand make them feel like I'm
not alone in this situation.
(35:57):
I have somebody who's supporting meand somebody who is here to help me.
And if they are interestedin taking care of their skin or venturing
into skin care, just try and help themunderstand what their skin type is.
It's as simpleas going on to like Google and just,
you know, you can Googlelike how do I find out my skin type?
Because there's very simple stepsthat you can use after you wash your face.
(36:22):
You can put a tissue up to your face andsee if there's oil on the tissue leftover.
Then you have oily skin.
If it's completely bone dry,like we have dry skin, you know, there's
there's this different little like easydo tests at home that costs nothing.
And they take like not even a minute.
And that can help put you on the pathto success in figuring out.
(36:42):
All right.
I have acne prone skinor I have sensitive skin.
I need to stay within this laneand use these ingredients
and just not to be overly influencedjust because something looks cool
and everyone's doing it
doesn't necessarily mean that it's it'sright for them or it's right for you.
(37:03):
Yeah.
And just to second that with the parents,you know,
be carefulabout some of these trends that you see.
I've seen some things that go viraland I'm like, this is actually horrific
and super damaging. Right?
We said that that eyedropper,you know, it's like,
wait a minute, this is not right.
It might look cool, but, you know, butthen listen, I'm not going to knock it.
(37:25):
There's also really greathacks on on, on, on on social media.
Are there any young social mediainfluencers that your daughter follows
that you really feel likekind of deliver on their promise
or that you recommend.
She follow is a bunch
(37:45):
I like.
So she's a very big Alex for all fanI think age girl is
but I like what I like about heris not only did she seem like real,
but that she's honestabout her struggles with acne
and that she saidthat she's gone on Accutane so many times
and then she's tried frontal act toneand she'll take the beauty filter off.
(38:07):
And sometimes Madison and I will watch hervideos and I'll say, you know what?
Like I give her a lot of creditfor doing that because she's connecting
with other people and letting them knowthat, you know, she's this beautiful girl
who has made this crazy career for herselfwhile she was still in college.
And everybody wants you know, all theseyoung girls want to be like her,
(38:28):
but she's just taking off the filterand showing them like,
this is who I really am.
And this is somethingthat I struggle with.
And just because I do doesn't meanthat I can't have a football and an NFL
football player and I can't livein this crazy, beautiful apartment.
And I can still have it all too.And so can you.
And like yeah I'm I solutionI said to my daughter I'm like, that's
really cool because it makes it moreit makes her more human.
(38:51):
And I think that some of these influencerslack that and everything is
just, you know, rainbows and unicornsand everything is wonderful.
And I look perfect all the time.
And I just I think that there has to bea human side to it
because at the end of the day,we're all humans.
And, you know, to pretendthat everything is always perfect
(39:12):
and our skin is always perfectand our hair as was,
I mean, I didn't wake up looking like thatthis morning, okay? no.
No, no, no, no.
Same same sister, same.
But I have to be real.
And I think that there are some people whodo a great job of it, and kudos to them.
But then there are somethat it's just like, my God,
please stop showing yourself like in bedwith a full face of makeup
(39:34):
on, Like you're going to sleep like thatbecause it's not real life, you know?
Not real life.
my God. Please.
I love you.
I could talk with you for hours and hours.
You know,
if people want to know more about TWiiSHthey can go to TWiiSH skin dot com.
And again, it's TWiiSH.skin.com. I
will have a link in the show notes
and if they want to reach out to you
(39:55):
and follow you on socials,how can they find you?
Please do.
I am on Instagram.
My handle is Elise TabinI also have a website elisetabin.com
that I am going to get back in.
And so putting up content,
all types of fun beauty contentand I send out a newsletter there too
and Tik-tok -it’s elisetabin12 on Tik Tok.
(40:15):
Amazing.
Thank you so much for being with us today.
I love talking you.
And if you're listening at homeand if you've got questions
that you want to send to meor you want me to pass along to Elise,
I'm always happy to do that. Email us.
at hello@artbeautypodcast.com,you can find us on Facebook, Instagram and
YouTube @ArtBeautyPodcast And as always,we'll see you next Tuesday. Bye.
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