July 30, 2025 • 31 mins
For many people in recovery, there is a specific moment in time they can point to when their lives turn around. At that moment, life one becomes life two. Dr. Robb Kelly discuss that moment in his life and how life two has led him to a career of helping people. Robb Kelly was born in Manchester, England, into a family that had a history of alcoholism. He obtained his Doctorate in Psychology from Oxford and is now the founder of The Robb Kelly Recovery Group, in addition to being an accomplished author and internationally sought-out speaker. The Robb Kelly Recovery Group and all of their services can be reached at https://robbkelly.com/ The State of Wisconsin's Dose of Reality campaign is at https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/opioids/index.htm More information about the federal response to the ongoing opiate crisis can be found at https://www.dea.gov/onepill
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Welcome everybody.
This is Avoiding the Addiction Affliction,brought to you by Westwords Consulting,
the Kenosha County Substance Use DisorderCoalition, and by a grant from the state
of Wisconsin's Dose of Reality RealTalks reminding you that opioids are
powerful drugs and that one pill can kill.
I'm Mike McGowan.
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For many people in recovery there'sa specific moment in time they can
point to when their life turns around.
At that moment, life one becomes life two.
We're gonna talk about that momentin the life two of our terrific
guest today, Dr. Robb Kelly.
Robb Kelly was born in Manchester,England into a family that
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had a history of alcoholism.
Sounds familiar to me.
He obtained his doctorate in psychologyfrom Oxford University and is now the
founder of the Robb Kelly Recovery Group.
In addition to being an accomplishedauthor and an internationally sought
out speaker, welcome Dr. Robb.
Thank you Mike.
Great to be here.
Hey guys, this is gonna be a good one.
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I deliberately left off a few detailsin your introduction for one reason.
Okay.
One of the things when I was readingabout you, Dr. Robb, that had me
shaking my head, how does somebodyobtain a doctorate from Oxford when
he is drinking as heavily as you were?
Yeah.
You know, it's crazy days.
There was a lot of people paid off.
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(laughs)
I come up on the project how very poorfamily got lots of friends around me
and my, my best friend's father was aFreemason and it's very serious over
there, and they needed an organistfor their 500th birthday or something.
So I stepped in and, you know, [inaudible]is the next thing I know I've got
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a scholarship to Oxford University.
Wow.
I was drinking like crazy.
I was also a session musician at the time,so I was playing a lot of Abbey Road in
London, so I was getting paid a fortune.
So yeah, there was a lot of peoplepaid off on my own merit, no.
On my drinking, no.
I'm quite adamant and, andstraightforward about that.
You know, it wasn't myeducation got me there at all.
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But it seems like I've gone througha series of things in my life
that's caught me onto the nextthing and a miracle happens and
then I move on to the next thing.
And that's been my lifefor the last 45 years.
Serendipity's a real thing.
I know.
I used to put it down to coincidencesince, you know, maybe this, that, and you
look back now and you go, oh my goodness.
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You know, I was chosen.
I was always chosen to do whatI'm doing now and helping people.
Yeah.
You mentioned Abbey Road, but Imentioned in the introduction of family,
you were like a lot of us, me too.
You're surrounded byalcoholism in your family.
And then, you know, as a sessionmusician, there's a, I don't
know if it's a myth or a reality.
We've had several people onsurrounded by temptation, drugs
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and alcohol in that environment.
Was anybody concerned?
Did anybody say, Hey, Robb.
Well, it was my unclethat gave my first beer.
I remember it to this day.
It was Liverpool.
It was a club in Liverpool,huge club, huge stage.
And eight, nine, the curtains opened and Ifroze like every 9-year-old kid would do.
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Got my aunt, uncle, I'd beokay, and I went off the
halftime session for 30 minutes.
We, the rest time, and he gaveme a beer, gave me his half
a beer and said, drink this.
And my whole world justchanged right there and then.
You ask normal people, they say,oh no, I spat it, it was horrible.
If you're an alcoholic, you knowexactly what I'm talking about guys.
That feeling is, ah, this is what'sgonna do it for me, nothing else.
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Yep.
Well, and for me, Dr. Robb,it's not the first beer or
the first drink that does it.
It's the second, third, and fourthwhen you realize it does the same
darn thing every single time.
You just need a little bit more of it.
Yeah, I agree.
I was chasing that first drink thatthing of that first drink I thought I
was chasing, but never quite got it back.
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Well, so you got through Oxford withthe doctorate and then you went, I
know we're gonna skip here, but youwent from doctorate to homeless.
Yeah, I think I must've been theonly guy with a PhD and homeless.
Though I met some doctors andscientists and stuff on the
streets that were homeless as well.
Yeah, I mean it was vicious.
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The alcoholism took me, my family,my kids, housewife, car, kids,
sisters, brother, everything.
Until one day I sat on the streets inthe middle of Manchester and I remember
thinking, what the hell just happened?
What went wrong?
So I could never see that.
So the definition of insanity to meis me not being able to see my own
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truth 'cause I couldn't see it coming.
There was drinking everyday, morning till night.
Passing out, getting up anddriving drunk out every single day.
Taking my kids, youngbabies in the car drunk.
You know, it's crazy.
I mentioned life one, life twoin the introductions, and you
just skimmed over it right now.
Talk about that day in Manchesterwhere you had that epiphany.
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So, I've been on thestreets for about 14 months.
14 months, over a year.
Yeah, over a year on the streets.
I actually died twice on the streetsand they brought me back to life.
The EMS brought me back to life andI hated them then for that Mike.
Mm-hmm.
Period.
And then one morning, and I'm back out oftown where the offices and factories are.
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There's no houses, no people in sitesaround two or three in the morning.
It's pouring down with rain and comingout of yet another blackout, and
I drop down to my hands and knees.
And I started to cry like a baby.
Sobbing, sobbing, and itstill lives with me today.
I remember the rain hitting on theback of my head, running around mixing
with my tears and hitting the cobblestones like a blue color, and I was
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sobbing and for whatever reason, asan atheist, I looked into the sky
and said, if there is a God up there,I can't do this on my own anymore.
30 seconds later, a guy walked aroundthe corner, his name was Derek.
He said, are you okay?
And I said, no, I'm dying.
He took me back to his house, he fed me,showered, and then he said, Robb, you can
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stay there for as long as you want, man.
You've gotta come to AA meetings with me.
I cannot have you drinkingin the house, man.
I'm a recovering alcoholic.
So I went to this meetingthe very next day I met him.
I went to the meetingand I didn't like it.
And this guy started sharingwar stories and stuff.
And then this guy said, my name'sJohn and I'm a recovered alcoholic.
I turned to Derek.
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Who said, what did he just say?
Said, he said he's recovered.
Recovered, what's he talking about?
So I'm mad, but I listen to him.
He makes sense.
He's talking about, guys,how about this and this?
After the meeting, I walked overto it, said, Joe, my name's Robb.
You sponsor me.
And he said, no, but I will be aspiritual advisor for 12 weeks.
So I left Derek's every Wednesday6:00 AM got there for seven,
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left at eight, back for nine.
That was my routine for 12 weeks.
What was odd is when I got there it wasthe second floor, I had to wait downstairs
till one minute to seven and I woke up,knock on the door at seven, he'd bring
me in and then no matter what we weretalking about or doing, and one minute to
eight he'd stand up and he walked me out.
Did that for 12 weeks.
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He told me I'd come to America,he told me things would change.
Told me that God sentme all these messages.
And he said, Robb, you askedthem to change till tomorrow.
And I said, John, thank youso much for what you've done.
I love you, blah, blah, blah.
But I'm living in Derek'sbasement on a block mattress.
Nobody knows I'm there.
The very next day, Derek comes homelunchtime instead of five o'clock.
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This guy just packed his job in atthe factory sweeping the floors.
Do you want a job?
I didn't think about[inaudible] did the job.
It turned into a full-time job.
Two or three weeks later,I get my first pay packet.
Advised John, a little teddy bearand a card, and I wrote on the card.
Thank you, John, for introducingme to God because He with capital
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H. Took the compulsive away andI went back to his apartment.
And Mike, I'm so excited to get there.
I want to tell him everythingthat's happened that he said
would come to everything.
Knocks on the door.
No answer.
Knocks again, no answer.
The lady from the right apartment stuckher head out and he says, can I help you?
I said, where's John?
John moved to [inaudible] grayish.
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John who?
I said, John, your neighbor.
I've only been here for two months.
I've never seen anybody there.
I work night shifts, so, okay.
Went around to the left handside, knocks on that door.
Big guy comes to thedoor, what do you want?
So where's John moved to?
What do you mean?
John?
And John, your next door neighbor.
Has he moved?
What's, what's wrong with you?
He went on to tell me that thatapartment was [inaudible] and if I
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was to walk through that door wherethere used to be tape, I'd fall
down two flights and kill myself.
So I come away thinking,these guys are crazy.
So I'm gonna go back to the meetingwhere I met John, and I'm gonna ask
John about these crazy neighbors.
Next day Teddy Bear card wentto the meeting and I, I've
never been there ever since.
And he said, Robb, chairman,Robb I said, thank God for that.
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I thought, I'm going crazy man.
These people just, John's gotta come here.
And he said, John, who?
I said the guy was over in the coffeemachine talking to him and he said,
oh my goodness, Robb, you are at thecoffee machine speaking to yourself.
We thought you was praying.
Never found that man.
That's why we have a 99% success rate.
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It's not this behind me,it's what he taught me.
And in neuroscience I learned today.
It's like nobody gets putin front of me by mistake.
That's like a Twilight Zone episode.
Hundred percent.
I would not tell thatstory for 10 years Mike.
I thought people would think I wassaying I'll make it up or stupid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People go, I have the same story,and they tell me their story of John.
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Unbelievable.
And you know, I've died over here.
Then went back to life.
I was over.
It was just, the things have beenthrough, I should have died about a
hundred times, but I'm still here, youknow, and I'm still helping people.
And one of the things we're big onhere is, you know, we're a big company.
You have five [inaudible]around the world.
This is one of my four companies I have.
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He's giving back.
I have to give 25% of thiscompany's income, which is
millions back into the community.
I have to keep my feet on the ground.
I have to constantly give back becauseJohn passed this on for one reason to make
sure other people don't suffer like I did.
And pardon me, we were the first peopleto bring in with family dynamic systems.
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When you go into treatment, youbring their family in once a
month and you know, bash down or[inaudible], that they don't do that.
We treat the patient and we treatyour wife separately and we make
'em sprint to their own rafts.
With anxiety, PTSD, and we bringthem that together as a unit,
as we do both of their work.
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So.
Yeah.
I mean, everything we dois, is well before its time.
We, we don't do therapy.
We had to class ourselves as coachesbecause we cross state lines.
And you know, the funny thing is,Mike, when I first came here and I
changed all my licensing over to Texas,within six months we'd been here, they
stripped me on my license saying Iwas harming people and all this stuff.
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And now a couple of monthslater we've got it back.
I lecture to those guys today.
The power of neuroscience,epigenetics, and human science.
Well, you talk about in yourwritings, you talk about the
problem is not our drinking.
It's our thinking.
Yeah.
Where the hell did I get that from?
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I'll tell you, I'm outside a liquor store.
Freezing cold, sweating profusely.
We've got shorts, vest, pair offlip flops, snowing, sweating.
The guy lets me in early.
It's not supposed to let me in, but heknows I've been there for a year or so,
and for whatever reason, I was shaking.
I was trembling.
I couldn't put, I was a bit likethat because I'm going into BT's.
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If I don't get alcohol or a hospital.
I'm gonna die.
Simple as that.
I put my 10 count on the counter oneday and put the bottle on this idea.
Everything went back to normal.
Sweating, stop, instant, great mood.
I remember looking at the bottle nowopened, looking back at the shopkeeper.
If I can slow motion, I look back againand went, holy shit, it's not the alcohol.
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And that's where it changed for meto, when I got finally got off the
streets, I dedicated my life to.
Nobody knows anything about alcohol.
Medical fraternity is stillbaffled with alcoholism.
It's the disease.
Why?
The hypothalamus, [inaudible] theamygdala is drug addiction of disease.
Now see personality, and we spendmillions of dollars on these researchers.
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That's why we're thenumber one guys right now.
It's like we, this is the levy man.
This is life for us, you know?
Yeah.
I will never go anyone's show andgo, Hey, come visit a website.
We can work with you.
First of all, no you can't.
Secondly, you need an assessmentand that's not the reason we're on.
We see Courtney, we turn downhundreds of these a month.
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Courtney goes around and findssomebody who's changing the world
and making a difference, hopefullythat not a lot of people know.
And then she humbly askedbecause Mike me and you can
save a life today, [inaudible].
Absolutely.
Well, how do you go about doing that then?
How do you change thatthinking and rewire the brain?
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So the first thing we stumbledupon is childhood trauma, not
the therapy childhood trauma.
I mean, the real deep childhood traumathat was normalized back in the day.
Yeah.
So when we have trauma back in theday, which 90% of especially women,
were never validated for that trauma.
They were never set on a[inaudible] or validated.
Or approved.
That actually happened.
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It was all swept under.
So two parts of your brain,subconscious, conscious.
The subconscious wakes up everymorning, lack of oxygen, loves
the hypothesis situations.
That's where all the bad stuffis, and people will tell you that
we can't remember, and we havetools to pull that out of you.
So once we attack the subconscious mindand make sure we come up with conscious
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mind every day we clear that trauma up.
We redirect and repattern the brain.
We make sure the body's gettingoxygen and stuff like that.
We have a system called Nine DimensionalBreath Work, which is a recovery
tool for any kind of stuff the DNAchanges, and we've proven that.
Once you go through the program, your DNAchanges, so we're not the guys at the top
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of the phone book, but we're not the guyson TV shouting and screaming who we are.
We're the guys, [inaudible], all the CEOs.
We're the guys thathomeless people come to.
I mean, we're just quietly heredoing what we do with five offices
around the world, making sure thatwe guarantee that you'll recover.
Whoop, whoop.
We're the only people in the worldMike that will refund your money
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if you relapse after finishingwith it, how insane is that?
'Cause we are onto something.
I wish I could sit andtell you this is clever.
It's humanly impossible to be what I get.
I have God's help.
You know, you talk about that at theRobb Kelly Group, Recovery Group.
You believe the true test of recoverycomes after you leave treatment.
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It's important, right, to help the peoplein the environment in which they live.
Not in an isolated environmentwhere everything can be controlled.
Wow.
You're the only person that's saidthat to me 15 years of doing this.
Yeah, you can't.
You go to treatment for30 days, get locked away.
So this is a typical scenario.
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Let's say you have a house whereyou live with the wife and kids.
Let's say that that house speaks Chinese.
So you all speak Chinese.
It's like picking somebody from thathouse, taking 'em over to treatment,
sticking 'em in the treatment center.
Recovery has its own language.
So let's say it's English, sonow it's floating in English.
We're picking back up.
We stick it back in theChinese speaking house.
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It's gonna start speaking Chinese again.
That's what happens in recovery.
You have to take the patient and takeanybody over the age of 18 in the house,
mom and let's say daughter, and eachhas to work on their childhood trauma.
And we get this with thewives most of the time.
"Well, it's nothing to do withme! It is his doing. You know, I
don't see why I've gotta do this."
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Because we won't take him onif she doesn't participate.
Mmm.
And they say to her, okay, well ifit's not your childhood trauma, can you
explain to me why you let your husbandcome on two or three nights a week and
physically beat you in front of yourseven month old child or 5-year-old child.
Why'd you let that happen?
And then the tears starts likeyou going through PTSD, you're
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going through your old trauma.
We have to get you on the samelanguage, the same vibration, the same
frequency, and living that new life.
You know, families have a tendencyto want to maintain the status quo.
Yes.
Because 'cause even if it'sdysfunctional, they're comfortable there.
Right.
And change is hard for people.
Yeah.
Because right after childhood, thereare a lot of people in this world
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that have to live in dysfunction.
So you always get one inthe office or something.
That always causes arguments,always talking around people's part
because when there's an argumentthey feel comfortable because they'd
be brought up in that environment.
Now it's the same with a girl growingup inside a house where dad comes home
and gets into a fist fight with motherthe next morning to go, I love you.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I love you too.
The child grows up thinking that physicalviolence is, and alcoholism is common law.
So when she leaves withthe power of the mind.
She will attract the same guy thatends up beating her and drinking
too much because that's comfortable.
If she meets a good guy, she willself-sabotage that relationship 'cause it
doesn't feel comfortable or normal to her
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Or weird.
They define it even as weird.
Yes, exactly.
And we self-sabotage in so many ways,but it's all behavioral patterns going
back of how we grow what was said.
All that's great stuff around you.
I was told by my mother,don't miss a stupid Robbert.
You can't go to college likeyou're [inaudible] too stupid.
That's what my mom told me.
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And it crucified me until about fouryears ago when I had to go back and do my
deep, deep, deep trauma that we do here.
But yeah, these little thingsstick in the subconscious brain.
And if you are the person that can't keepa job, can't get a relationship, mostly
depressed, nothing's working out foryou, you have childhood trauma, period.
Everybody has it.
Go back and sort that shit out.
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Otherwise it'll sort you out.
There's no such thing as"I didn't suffer from...".
Yes, you did.
When we go deep, you did, I don't care,$20 million house in Dallas who went
absolutely dysfunction and abandonmentof children that grew up dysfunction.
So go back, find what it is.
We have a software called Nine DimensionalBreath Work, which is nine subliminal
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messaging and stuff that brings thattrauma out so you can get rid of it.
Start living your life.
Or you have to sit with the painand, or, you know, not avoid it.
Right.
You have to sit there and,and even ignore what it is.
Yeah, if you don't do that, youdon't become friends with it.
You don't become friends with it, youcan't, you know, you have to get close.
You have to sit there, youhave to go through the pain.
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And I think the twofold, first personin the heart trying to men, but
most importantly, can you imaginesitting down with somebody that's
going through what you've beenthrough and showing them a way out.
See what a lot of people don'tknow while we're doing this.
Recovered alcoholics and addicts.
Doctors can't do what we do.
Scientists can't, surgeonscan't [inaudible].
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And he takes him throughthis horrendous training.
It's like my homelessness andkids loss was like a semester
at Harvard University for me.
What got totally in there,you have to go through.
Now, a lot of people don't makeit because it's too painful and
suicide just can't do it anymore.
But for those guys that do, we arechosen, we are chosen to change the world.
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So if you've gone through all this,you've changed, you've got this new life
and you're not helping anybody go drink!
Alcohol has one percent todo with alcoholism, guys.
It's what you can take into this world.
How can we change the world oneperson, not alcoholic and addict.
We cover everything.
We cover PTSD, we coverAlzheimer's, we cover depression.
All this stuff to do with psych.
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Same program, same result.
But if you are constantly notgiving back and working with what
I call God's kids, it's all gonnabe taken away from you, man.
That's just the way it is.
It's like going to the army and thentaking you through medical school.
You have to stay another threeto four years after that.
And if you go, they want the money back.
You know.
I think it's the same thing withGod, you know, he wants it back.
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You're not gonna use it.
I've trained you for like 15 years,but for all this horrendous stuff
and now you're just gonna walk away.
No, it doesn't work like that.
Well, that must be where your statementof that read you, you said, step outta
the disease, step into the solution.
That's a really empoweringstatement, Dr. Robb.
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Most people will stay in the disease.
Most people will stay in marriages,relationships way longer than they
should because it's a comfort zone.
Even if it's hard, violent, youknow, it becomes a comfort zone.
So we stick in that disease again,not even disease of the mind,
not even alcohol is just theplace we stay, jobs way too long.
You know, the solution is,are you happy every day?
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Well, you can't be happyevery day Dr. Robb.
Says who?
Huh.
Says who?
Who's making [inaudible]?
'Cause I'm a 10 outta 10 every singleday, and I have better days than others.
Don't get me wrong.
But I do not have my days that havenever had 'em for the last 20 years.
You know, so when you step inthe solution, you know your
study what's called a sunlightscope and nobody can touch you.
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And if you do the right thing and workwith God's kids and get people well and
love people and all the little thingsthat we do for charities and stuff and
we never turn anybody down and you know,vets never pay any of my offices around
the world, then God will give you stuff.
God will [inaudible], he wants to giveus so much, but we ask for so little.
You have to believe, guys,you have been chosen.
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You are the empowered one here.
We've taken power from far less.
These are the lessons we learn.
Stand up, be counted.
Be a leader and start working.
You're supposed to, if you want thatjob on 80 grand a year and you're
on 20 now, start hanging around.
The guys.
Earn 80 grand a year and claim that 80grand a year and act and walk and talk
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and restroom and whatever as that guy.
If you're hanging around 90 pluspeople, you will become the 10th.
If you hang around nine successfulpeople and you get the [inaudible],
it's like, show me your friends.
I'll show you your future.
We are people [inaudible] monkey seemonkey do, going back to primates.
Well, gosh, look at our culture right now.
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Yes, exactly.
You hang around with angry people.
We create more angry people.
Yeah.
You go to any of these stuffthat's going out past to America,
these riots in [inaudible].
Put one person out, sitting downand say what you protesting for.
[inaudible] Herd, follow the herd.
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We're not herd people, guys.
If you're listening to this show,you're not listening by mistake.
That's something else I've found outover the 64 years I been being on.
This is nothing happens by mistake.
We like to think it.
Wow, what a coincidence, Mike and I,we now it's already, this is already in
the making a hundred years ago, maybe.
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You know, it's, it's crazythe way it works out.
I think a lot of people, and youmust think this too, a lot of
people are afraid, Dr. Robb, to drawhealthy boundaries for themselves.
It's easier to just keep the, the boatheading in the direction that it's
in, and especially when those healthyboundaries involve their own family,
where some of that trauma comes from.
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It really is, you know, if you canheal and go back and heal it like
I did with mom and dad, it's great.
If you can't during this process,there's loved ones that you
need to let go of unfortunately.
And a lot of 'em are parents who havein doctrine this belief system in you.
And then you grow up and you find outthat mom and dad weren't all that good.
And it's not their fault, by the way,they weren't stressed that completely.
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They taught from theirparents and their parents.
It's not their fault, but you realizethat the way you are now is a direct
correlation of how you were treated.
How you were spoke to, in what tone,but you know, all this, all this stuff
directly affects our little life.
And people don't think that's the case.
But I'm just unlucky in childhood oftrauma, [inaudible] child of trauma.
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Everything we hear, see, feel, touchstill in our subconscious brain.
You know, babies are bornwith two fears, falling, loud
noises, the rest are man made.
Wait till your father gets home... Ifyou don't get that... BS is what it is.
Needs to be released more.
99% of people rightnow are living in fear.
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You wanna cut that downby 4%, turn the TV off.
Yes.
[inaudible] percent straight away.
The second is to beable to live in the now.
Our world, our life, our being, ourexistence is right now, [inaudible].
So the brain resets every 24 hours.
We had today.
And so yeah.
What can you do today to save a life?
What can you do today?
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I always say this to people, thecover of many people do stuff we're
not supposed to do with alcohol.
Do stuff we're not supposedto do as depressed people.
Go do it.
'cause you, you're quite well,I've not been to college.
Who cares?
You can start an empirein your own bedroom.
Are you kidding me?
No, but we don try again.
You never, then got enough.
He never went to collegeand he didn't do this.
Says, who?
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Who's making these rules up guys?
I don't like them.
I don't think you should like 'emguys, you are a listener for a reason.
You are listening to this for a reason.
Come on, open your eyes and standup and be counted, be leaders.
Well, when you touched on it before,but your group offers a ton of services.
Yeah, we, you know, people, we usedto be alcohol and drugs to start with,
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but anything to do with mental health.
So again, the anxiety isthe PTSD right across.
We're in early stages right now.
And I think it's gonna shock.
Well, we're, we're speaking to JFK rightnow, our health minister, we're doing
early stages Alzheimer's and dementia.
Where we've seen a 30% increasein short term memory with
some Alzheimer's patients.
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So yeah, we cover anything.
When you call our place, you go, Hey,have you do you do blah, blah, blah.
We go, yeah.
We go, really?
Yep.
We cover it and we put the phone down andwe give them hope and then scramble around
for somebody who's capable of doing it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
People need to hear.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it really will.
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I mean, we, we've never failedyet what we do, but it's harsh.
It's very, very harsh and it'sdoing psych, with the guys, man.
Because again, it's not about the alcohol,food, porn, and sex, not about that guys.
It's not about the depression.
It's not about, there'ssomething deep rooted going on.
When we find out that alcohol is1% to do, then you've gotta start
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thinking, wow, what's the other 99%?
Well, it's here.
If you knew how powerful themind was it will freak you out.
And you were changed instantly fortoday, mind over the brain is matter.
Mind over matter, this guy inthe morning with the conscious
and subconscious and run the day.
So the with subconscious brain[inaudible], lack of oxygen doing and
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because of in care between two and fiveand enormous circadian sleep pattern
is when most work has been done.
Also, where most people[inaudible] up would cause.
We have a system.
First thing on wakes us up.
We have a system to smash thisguy in the 24 hour subconscious
brains gone 'cause it eats oxygen.
This guy, the consciousbrain, is now limited for the
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next 16- 17,000 [inaudible].
You know, it was happenedfrom the conscious brain.
Bad [inaudible] happen [inaudible]for the subconscious brain.
And the way we test this out forpeople, we're asking two questions.
Give me a good memory from childhood.
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Oh, I went to the [inaudible], okay, gimmea bad Oh, when [inaudible] means you're
coming from a conscious brain with all thetrauma you live that traumatizing life.
There was a great, I forget where theline come from, but they took a prisoner's
walk from England over to, I think itwas Japan, to see the all, you know,
the stuff that happened over there.
And he was 10 ex soldiers [inaudible].
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And the interviewer asked all10 of them do you forgive them.
One person said, no,I didn't forgive them.
And they, and the interviewsaid, well, they still have you
captured in prison, don't they?
If you don't let go of the past 'causeit's no use to you, you'll live the past.
That's not how human beingsare supposed to live.
We have this nine dimensional thing.
Like I said, we do it onlineand personally, you basically
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put your headphones in and it'snine dimensions, subliminal
messagings, brand new on the market.
And when you take 'emoff, they go, oh my God!
What was that?
It was amazing.
I feel fantastic.
And we say to them, no, you don't.
You feel normal.
This is the way we'resupposed to feel every day.
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Our diets, the pharmaceutical drugs, ourlife in general, pulls us down, pulls us
down until you start acting like they do.
And if yourself, it's hard for one personto, to change nine people Mike, but it's
easy for nine people to change one person.
How do we know that?
The experiment in the reception, webrought nine actors in, and you were
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told that when a buzzer goes, you standup in the waiting room and you sit down.
And we had one patient, theyknew nothing about this.
The stake was set.
All 10 sat down.
Ah, the nine people stood up thedoor was on her phone, looked
up briefly, 45 seconds, likeah, the nine people stood up.
She put her phone downand she's looking around.
The third person, she stoodup with everybody else as we
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called them in one by one.
She's on her own in the waiting room.
Yeah, she's fed up.
That's how easy it's to catchthat negative behavior of
people or crazy behavior.
You hung around them longenough, you'll become [inaudible]
Well, and that's the walk off, right?
That healing from addiction andtrauma just takes what a little
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courage, persistence, and work.
Yeah.
And knowledge from what the otherperson knows is very important.
So great spots and stuff like thatwe use to public out, but yeah.
If you get the right people around you,if you're seeing the right people you
can literally be anybody you want to be.
Mm.
I always, I don't know, I just said this,but when I first came over with things
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that Americans always used say to mewhen go, you can do anything you want
to do, they always used to say, well, Ican't be president of the United States.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Let's forget your politicalviews for a second, guys.
And I think you know where I'm going.
We have a businessman running the countrywith no political experience whatsoever.
Don't dare tell me youcan't achieve your dreams.
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It, it's not true.
Somebody's put that there.
You've gotta start saying, says who?
Sounds great, Dr. Robb, thankyou so much for sharing your
time and your expertise in there.
Just amazing story, just amazing story.
Those of you who listen regularlyknow that we will put links to
the Robb Kelly Recovery Groupon the blurb for the podcast.
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We thank you always forlistening, watching.
We hope you find love, courage, support,and take that first step wherever you are.
As always, thanks for listening.
Be safe, and as Dr. Robb would say.
Just step into the solution.
Welcome everybody.
This is Avoiding the Addiction Affliction,brought to you by Westwords Consulting,
the Kenosha County Substance Use DisorderCoalition, and by a grant from the state
of Wisconsin's Dose of Reality RealTalks reminding you that opioids are
powerful drugs and that one pill can kill.
I'm Mike McGowan.
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For many people in recovery there'sa specific moment in time they can
point to when their life turns around.
At that moment, life one becomes life two.
We're gonna talk about that momentin the life two of our terrific
guest today, Dr. Robb Kelly.
Robb Kelly was born in Manchester,England into a family that
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had a history of alcoholism.
Sounds familiar to me.
He obtained his doctorate in psychologyfrom Oxford University and is now the
founder of the Robb Kelly Recovery Group.
In addition to being an accomplishedauthor and an internationally sought
out speaker, welcome Dr. Robb.
Thank you Mike.
Great to be here.
Hey guys, this is gonna be a good one.
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I deliberately left off a few detailsin your introduction for one reason.
Okay.
One of the things when I was readingabout you, Dr. Robb, that had me
shaking my head, how does somebodyobtain a doctorate from Oxford when
he is drinking as heavily as you were?
Yeah.
You know, it's crazy days.
There was a lot of people paid off.
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(laughs)
I come up on the project how very poorfamily got lots of friends around me
and my, my best friend's father was aFreemason and it's very serious over
there, and they needed an organistfor their 500th birthday or something.
So I stepped in and, you know, [inaudible]is the next thing I know I've got
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a scholarship to Oxford University.
Wow.
I was drinking like crazy.
I was also a session musician at the time,so I was playing a lot of Abbey Road in
London, so I was getting paid a fortune.
So yeah, there was a lot of peoplepaid off on my own merit, no.
On my drinking, no.
I'm quite adamant and, andstraightforward about that.
You know, it wasn't myeducation got me there at all.
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But it seems like I've gone througha series of things in my life
that's caught me onto the nextthing and a miracle happens and
then I move on to the next thing.
And that's been my lifefor the last 45 years.
Serendipity's a real thing.
I know.
I used to put it down to coincidencesince, you know, maybe this, that, and you
look back now and you go, oh my goodness.
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You know, I was chosen.
I was always chosen to do whatI'm doing now and helping people.
Yeah.
You mentioned Abbey Road, but Imentioned in the introduction of family,
you were like a lot of us, me too.
You're surrounded byalcoholism in your family.
And then, you know, as a sessionmusician, there's a, I don't
know if it's a myth or a reality.
We've had several people onsurrounded by temptation, drugs
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and alcohol in that environment.
Was anybody concerned?
Did anybody say, Hey, Robb.
Well, it was my unclethat gave my first beer.
I remember it to this day.
It was Liverpool.
It was a club in Liverpool,huge club, huge stage.
And eight, nine, the curtains opened and Ifroze like every 9-year-old kid would do.
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Got my aunt, uncle, I'd beokay, and I went off the
halftime session for 30 minutes.
We, the rest time, and he gaveme a beer, gave me his half
a beer and said, drink this.
And my whole world justchanged right there and then.
You ask normal people, they say,oh no, I spat it, it was horrible.
If you're an alcoholic, you knowexactly what I'm talking about guys.
That feeling is, ah, this is what'sgonna do it for me, nothing else.
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Yep.
Well, and for me, Dr. Robb,it's not the first beer or
the first drink that does it.
It's the second, third, and fourthwhen you realize it does the same
darn thing every single time.
You just need a little bit more of it.
Yeah, I agree.
I was chasing that first drink thatthing of that first drink I thought I
was chasing, but never quite got it back.
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Well, so you got through Oxford withthe doctorate and then you went, I
know we're gonna skip here, but youwent from doctorate to homeless.
Yeah, I think I must've been theonly guy with a PhD and homeless.
Though I met some doctors andscientists and stuff on the
streets that were homeless as well.
Yeah, I mean it was vicious.
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The alcoholism took me, my family,my kids, housewife, car, kids,
sisters, brother, everything.
Until one day I sat on the streets inthe middle of Manchester and I remember
thinking, what the hell just happened?
What went wrong?
So I could never see that.
So the definition of insanity to meis me not being able to see my own
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truth 'cause I couldn't see it coming.
There was drinking everyday, morning till night.
Passing out, getting up anddriving drunk out every single day.
Taking my kids, youngbabies in the car drunk.
You know, it's crazy.
I mentioned life one, life twoin the introductions, and you
just skimmed over it right now.
Talk about that day in Manchesterwhere you had that epiphany.
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So, I've been on thestreets for about 14 months.
14 months, over a year.
Yeah, over a year on the streets.
I actually died twice on the streetsand they brought me back to life.
The EMS brought me back to life andI hated them then for that Mike.
Mm-hmm.
Period.
And then one morning, and I'm back out oftown where the offices and factories are.
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There's no houses, no people in sitesaround two or three in the morning.
It's pouring down with rain and comingout of yet another blackout, and
I drop down to my hands and knees.
And I started to cry like a baby.
Sobbing, sobbing, and itstill lives with me today.
I remember the rain hitting on theback of my head, running around mixing
with my tears and hitting the cobblestones like a blue color, and I was
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sobbing and for whatever reason, asan atheist, I looked into the sky
and said, if there is a God up there,I can't do this on my own anymore.
30 seconds later, a guy walked aroundthe corner, his name was Derek.
He said, are you okay?
And I said, no, I'm dying.
He took me back to his house, he fed me,showered, and then he said, Robb, you can
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stay there for as long as you want, man.
You've gotta come to AA meetings with me.
I cannot have you drinkingin the house, man.
I'm a recovering alcoholic.
So I went to this meetingthe very next day I met him.
I went to the meetingand I didn't like it.
And this guy started sharingwar stories and stuff.
And then this guy said, my name'sJohn and I'm a recovered alcoholic.
I turned to Derek.
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Who said, what did he just say?
Said, he said he's recovered.
Recovered, what's he talking about?
So I'm mad, but I listen to him.
He makes sense.
He's talking about, guys,how about this and this?
After the meeting, I walked overto it, said, Joe, my name's Robb.
You sponsor me.
And he said, no, but I will be aspiritual advisor for 12 weeks.
So I left Derek's every Wednesday6:00 AM got there for seven,
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left at eight, back for nine.
That was my routine for 12 weeks.
What was odd is when I got there it wasthe second floor, I had to wait downstairs
till one minute to seven and I woke up,knock on the door at seven, he'd bring
me in and then no matter what we weretalking about or doing, and one minute to
eight he'd stand up and he walked me out.
Did that for 12 weeks.
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He told me I'd come to America,he told me things would change.
Told me that God sentme all these messages.
And he said, Robb, you askedthem to change till tomorrow.
And I said, John, thank youso much for what you've done.
I love you, blah, blah, blah.
But I'm living in Derek'sbasement on a block mattress.
Nobody knows I'm there.
The very next day, Derek comes homelunchtime instead of five o'clock.
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This guy just packed his job in atthe factory sweeping the floors.
Do you want a job?
I didn't think about[inaudible] did the job.
It turned into a full-time job.
Two or three weeks later,I get my first pay packet.
Advised John, a little teddy bearand a card, and I wrote on the card.
Thank you, John, for introducingme to God because He with capital
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H. Took the compulsive away andI went back to his apartment.
And Mike, I'm so excited to get there.
I want to tell him everythingthat's happened that he said
would come to everything.
Knocks on the door.
No answer.
Knocks again, no answer.
The lady from the right apartment stuckher head out and he says, can I help you?
I said, where's John?
John moved to [inaudible] grayish.
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John who?
I said, John, your neighbor.
I've only been here for two months.
I've never seen anybody there.
I work night shifts, so, okay.
Went around to the left handside, knocks on that door.
Big guy comes to thedoor, what do you want?
So where's John moved to?
What do you mean?
John?
And John, your next door neighbor.
Has he moved?
What's, what's wrong with you?
He went on to tell me that thatapartment was [inaudible] and if I
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was to walk through that door wherethere used to be tape, I'd fall
down two flights and kill myself.
So I come away thinking,these guys are crazy.
So I'm gonna go back to the meetingwhere I met John, and I'm gonna ask
John about these crazy neighbors.
Next day Teddy Bear card wentto the meeting and I, I've
never been there ever since.
And he said, Robb, chairman,Robb I said, thank God for that.
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I thought, I'm going crazy man.
These people just, John's gotta come here.
And he said, John, who?
I said the guy was over in the coffeemachine talking to him and he said,
oh my goodness, Robb, you are at thecoffee machine speaking to yourself.
We thought you was praying.
Never found that man.
That's why we have a 99% success rate.
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It's not this behind me,it's what he taught me.
And in neuroscience I learned today.
It's like nobody gets putin front of me by mistake.
That's like a Twilight Zone episode.
Hundred percent.
I would not tell thatstory for 10 years Mike.
I thought people would think I wassaying I'll make it up or stupid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People go, I have the same story,and they tell me their story of John.
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Unbelievable.
And you know, I've died over here.
Then went back to life.
I was over.
It was just, the things have beenthrough, I should have died about a
hundred times, but I'm still here, youknow, and I'm still helping people.
And one of the things we're big onhere is, you know, we're a big company.
You have five [inaudible]around the world.
This is one of my four companies I have.
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He's giving back.
I have to give 25% of thiscompany's income, which is
millions back into the community.
I have to keep my feet on the ground.
I have to constantly give back becauseJohn passed this on for one reason to make
sure other people don't suffer like I did.
And pardon me, we were the first peopleto bring in with family dynamic systems.
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When you go into treatment, youbring their family in once a
month and you know, bash down or[inaudible], that they don't do that.
We treat the patient and we treatyour wife separately and we make
'em sprint to their own rafts.
With anxiety, PTSD, and we bringthem that together as a unit,
as we do both of their work.
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So.
Yeah.
I mean, everything we dois, is well before its time.
We, we don't do therapy.
We had to class ourselves as coachesbecause we cross state lines.
And you know, the funny thing is,Mike, when I first came here and I
changed all my licensing over to Texas,within six months we'd been here, they
stripped me on my license saying Iwas harming people and all this stuff.
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And now a couple of monthslater we've got it back.
I lecture to those guys today.
The power of neuroscience,epigenetics, and human science.
Well, you talk about in yourwritings, you talk about the
problem is not our drinking.
It's our thinking.
Yeah.
Where the hell did I get that from?
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I'll tell you, I'm outside a liquor store.
Freezing cold, sweating profusely.
We've got shorts, vest, pair offlip flops, snowing, sweating.
The guy lets me in early.
It's not supposed to let me in, but heknows I've been there for a year or so,
and for whatever reason, I was shaking.
I was trembling.
I couldn't put, I was a bit likethat because I'm going into BT's.
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If I don't get alcohol or a hospital.
I'm gonna die.
Simple as that.
I put my 10 count on the counter oneday and put the bottle on this idea.
Everything went back to normal.
Sweating, stop, instant, great mood.
I remember looking at the bottle nowopened, looking back at the shopkeeper.
If I can slow motion, I look back againand went, holy shit, it's not the alcohol.
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And that's where it changed for meto, when I got finally got off the
streets, I dedicated my life to.
Nobody knows anything about alcohol.
Medical fraternity is stillbaffled with alcoholism.
It's the disease.
Why?
The hypothalamus, [inaudible] theamygdala is drug addiction of disease.
Now see personality, and we spendmillions of dollars on these researchers.
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That's why we're thenumber one guys right now.
It's like we, this is the levy man.
This is life for us, you know?
Yeah.
I will never go anyone's show andgo, Hey, come visit a website.
We can work with you.
First of all, no you can't.
Secondly, you need an assessmentand that's not the reason we're on.
We see Courtney, we turn downhundreds of these a month.
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Courtney goes around and findssomebody who's changing the world
and making a difference, hopefullythat not a lot of people know.
And then she humbly askedbecause Mike me and you can
save a life today, [inaudible].
Absolutely.
Well, how do you go about doing that then?
How do you change thatthinking and rewire the brain?
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So the first thing we stumbledupon is childhood trauma, not
the therapy childhood trauma.
I mean, the real deep childhood traumathat was normalized back in the day.
Yeah.
So when we have trauma back in theday, which 90% of especially women,
were never validated for that trauma.
They were never set on a[inaudible] or validated.
Or approved.
That actually happened.
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It was all swept under.
So two parts of your brain,subconscious, conscious.
The subconscious wakes up everymorning, lack of oxygen, loves
the hypothesis situations.
That's where all the bad stuffis, and people will tell you that
we can't remember, and we havetools to pull that out of you.
So once we attack the subconscious mindand make sure we come up with conscious
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mind every day we clear that trauma up.
We redirect and repattern the brain.
We make sure the body's gettingoxygen and stuff like that.
We have a system called Nine DimensionalBreath Work, which is a recovery
tool for any kind of stuff the DNAchanges, and we've proven that.
Once you go through the program, your DNAchanges, so we're not the guys at the top
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of the phone book, but we're not the guyson TV shouting and screaming who we are.
We're the guys, [inaudible], all the CEOs.
We're the guys thathomeless people come to.
I mean, we're just quietly heredoing what we do with five offices
around the world, making sure thatwe guarantee that you'll recover.
Whoop, whoop.
We're the only people in the worldMike that will refund your money
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if you relapse after finishingwith it, how insane is that?
'Cause we are onto something.
I wish I could sit andtell you this is clever.
It's humanly impossible to be what I get.
I have God's help.
You know, you talk about that at theRobb Kelly Group, Recovery Group.
You believe the true test of recoverycomes after you leave treatment.
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It's important, right, to help the peoplein the environment in which they live.
Not in an isolated environmentwhere everything can be controlled.
Wow.
You're the only person that's saidthat to me 15 years of doing this.
Yeah, you can't.
You go to treatment for30 days, get locked away.
So this is a typical scenario.
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Let's say you have a house whereyou live with the wife and kids.
Let's say that that house speaks Chinese.
So you all speak Chinese.
It's like picking somebody from thathouse, taking 'em over to treatment,
sticking 'em in the treatment center.
Recovery has its own language.
So let's say it's English, sonow it's floating in English.
We're picking back up.
We stick it back in theChinese speaking house.
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It's gonna start speaking Chinese again.
That's what happens in recovery.
You have to take the patient and takeanybody over the age of 18 in the house,
mom and let's say daughter, and eachhas to work on their childhood trauma.
And we get this with thewives most of the time.
"Well, it's nothing to do withme! It is his doing. You know, I
don't see why I've gotta do this."
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Because we won't take him onif she doesn't participate.
Mmm.
And they say to her, okay, well ifit's not your childhood trauma, can you
explain to me why you let your husbandcome on two or three nights a week and
physically beat you in front of yourseven month old child or 5-year-old child.
Why'd you let that happen?
And then the tears starts likeyou going through PTSD, you're
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going through your old trauma.
We have to get you on the samelanguage, the same vibration, the same
frequency, and living that new life.
You know, families have a tendencyto want to maintain the status quo.
Yes.
Because 'cause even if it'sdysfunctional, they're comfortable there.
Right.
And change is hard for people.
Yeah.
Because right after childhood, thereare a lot of people in this world
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that have to live in dysfunction.
So you always get one inthe office or something.
That always causes arguments,always talking around people's part
because when there's an argumentthey feel comfortable because they'd
be brought up in that environment.
Now it's the same with a girl growingup inside a house where dad comes home
and gets into a fist fight with motherthe next morning to go, I love you.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I love you too.
The child grows up thinking that physicalviolence is, and alcoholism is common law.
So when she leaves withthe power of the mind.
She will attract the same guy thatends up beating her and drinking
too much because that's comfortable.
If she meets a good guy, she willself-sabotage that relationship 'cause it
doesn't feel comfortable or normal to her
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Or weird.
They define it even as weird.
Yes, exactly.
And we self-sabotage in so many ways,but it's all behavioral patterns going
back of how we grow what was said.
All that's great stuff around you.
I was told by my mother,don't miss a stupid Robbert.
You can't go to college likeyou're [inaudible] too stupid.
That's what my mom told me.
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And it crucified me until about fouryears ago when I had to go back and do my
deep, deep, deep trauma that we do here.
But yeah, these little thingsstick in the subconscious brain.
And if you are the person that can't keepa job, can't get a relationship, mostly
depressed, nothing's working out foryou, you have childhood trauma, period.
Everybody has it.
Go back and sort that shit out.
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Otherwise it'll sort you out.
There's no such thing as"I didn't suffer from...".
Yes, you did.
When we go deep, you did, I don't care,$20 million house in Dallas who went
absolutely dysfunction and abandonmentof children that grew up dysfunction.
So go back, find what it is.
We have a software called Nine DimensionalBreath Work, which is nine subliminal
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messaging and stuff that brings thattrauma out so you can get rid of it.
Start living your life.
Or you have to sit with the painand, or, you know, not avoid it.
Right.
You have to sit there and,and even ignore what it is.
Yeah, if you don't do that, youdon't become friends with it.
You don't become friends with it, youcan't, you know, you have to get close.
You have to sit there, youhave to go through the pain.
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And I think the twofold, first personin the heart trying to men, but
most importantly, can you imaginesitting down with somebody that's
going through what you've beenthrough and showing them a way out.
See what a lot of people don'tknow while we're doing this.
Recovered alcoholics and addicts.
Doctors can't do what we do.
Scientists can't, surgeonscan't [inaudible].
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And he takes him throughthis horrendous training.
It's like my homelessness andkids loss was like a semester
at Harvard University for me.
What got totally in there,you have to go through.
Now, a lot of people don't makeit because it's too painful and
suicide just can't do it anymore.
But for those guys that do, we arechosen, we are chosen to change the world.
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So if you've gone through all this,you've changed, you've got this new life
and you're not helping anybody go drink!
Alcohol has one percent todo with alcoholism, guys.
It's what you can take into this world.
How can we change the world oneperson, not alcoholic and addict.
We cover everything.
We cover PTSD, we coverAlzheimer's, we cover depression.
All this stuff to do with psych.
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Same program, same result.
But if you are constantly notgiving back and working with what
I call God's kids, it's all gonnabe taken away from you, man.
That's just the way it is.
It's like going to the army and thentaking you through medical school.
You have to stay another threeto four years after that.
And if you go, they want the money back.
You know.
I think it's the same thing withGod, you know, he wants it back.
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You're not gonna use it.
I've trained you for like 15 years,but for all this horrendous stuff
and now you're just gonna walk away.
No, it doesn't work like that.
Well, that must be where your statementof that read you, you said, step outta
the disease, step into the solution.
That's a really empoweringstatement, Dr. Robb.
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Most people will stay in the disease.
Most people will stay in marriages,relationships way longer than they
should because it's a comfort zone.
Even if it's hard, violent, youknow, it becomes a comfort zone.
So we stick in that disease again,not even disease of the mind,
not even alcohol is just theplace we stay, jobs way too long.
You know, the solution is,are you happy every day?
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Well, you can't be happyevery day Dr. Robb.
Says who?
Huh.
Says who?
Who's making [inaudible]?
'Cause I'm a 10 outta 10 every singleday, and I have better days than others.
Don't get me wrong.
But I do not have my days that havenever had 'em for the last 20 years.
You know, so when you step inthe solution, you know your
study what's called a sunlightscope and nobody can touch you.
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And if you do the right thing and workwith God's kids and get people well and
love people and all the little thingsthat we do for charities and stuff and
we never turn anybody down and you know,vets never pay any of my offices around
the world, then God will give you stuff.
God will [inaudible], he wants to giveus so much, but we ask for so little.
You have to believe, guys,you have been chosen.
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You are the empowered one here.
We've taken power from far less.
These are the lessons we learn.
Stand up, be counted.
Be a leader and start working.
You're supposed to, if you want thatjob on 80 grand a year and you're
on 20 now, start hanging around.
The guys.
Earn 80 grand a year and claim that 80grand a year and act and walk and talk
(22:34):
and restroom and whatever as that guy.
If you're hanging around 90 pluspeople, you will become the 10th.
If you hang around nine successfulpeople and you get the [inaudible],
it's like, show me your friends.
I'll show you your future.
We are people [inaudible] monkey seemonkey do, going back to primates.
Well, gosh, look at our culture right now.
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Yes, exactly.
You hang around with angry people.
We create more angry people.
Yeah.
You go to any of these stuffthat's going out past to America,
these riots in [inaudible].
Put one person out, sitting downand say what you protesting for.
[inaudible] Herd, follow the herd.
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We're not herd people, guys.
If you're listening to this show,you're not listening by mistake.
That's something else I've found outover the 64 years I been being on.
This is nothing happens by mistake.
We like to think it.
Wow, what a coincidence, Mike and I,we now it's already, this is already in
the making a hundred years ago, maybe.
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You know, it's, it's crazythe way it works out.
I think a lot of people, and youmust think this too, a lot of
people are afraid, Dr. Robb, to drawhealthy boundaries for themselves.
It's easier to just keep the, the boatheading in the direction that it's
in, and especially when those healthyboundaries involve their own family,
where some of that trauma comes from.
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It really is, you know, if you canheal and go back and heal it like
I did with mom and dad, it's great.
If you can't during this process,there's loved ones that you
need to let go of unfortunately.
And a lot of 'em are parents who havein doctrine this belief system in you.
And then you grow up and you find outthat mom and dad weren't all that good.
And it's not their fault, by the way,they weren't stressed that completely.
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They taught from theirparents and their parents.
It's not their fault, but you realizethat the way you are now is a direct
correlation of how you were treated.
How you were spoke to, in what tone,but you know, all this, all this stuff
directly affects our little life.
And people don't think that's the case.
But I'm just unlucky in childhood oftrauma, [inaudible] child of trauma.
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Everything we hear, see, feel, touchstill in our subconscious brain.
You know, babies are bornwith two fears, falling, loud
noises, the rest are man made.
Wait till your father gets home... Ifyou don't get that... BS is what it is.
Needs to be released more.
99% of people rightnow are living in fear.
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You wanna cut that downby 4%, turn the TV off.
Yes.
[inaudible] percent straight away.
The second is to beable to live in the now.
Our world, our life, our being, ourexistence is right now, [inaudible].
So the brain resets every 24 hours.
We had today.
And so yeah.
What can you do today to save a life?
What can you do today?
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I always say this to people, thecover of many people do stuff we're
not supposed to do with alcohol.
Do stuff we're not supposedto do as depressed people.
Go do it.
'cause you, you're quite well,I've not been to college.
Who cares?
You can start an empirein your own bedroom.
Are you kidding me?
No, but we don try again.
You never, then got enough.
He never went to collegeand he didn't do this.
Says, who?
(25:44):
Who's making these rules up guys?
I don't like them.
I don't think you should like 'emguys, you are a listener for a reason.
You are listening to this for a reason.
Come on, open your eyes and standup and be counted, be leaders.
Well, when you touched on it before,but your group offers a ton of services.
Yeah, we, you know, people, we usedto be alcohol and drugs to start with,
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but anything to do with mental health.
So again, the anxiety isthe PTSD right across.
We're in early stages right now.
And I think it's gonna shock.
Well, we're, we're speaking to JFK rightnow, our health minister, we're doing
early stages Alzheimer's and dementia.
Where we've seen a 30% increasein short term memory with
some Alzheimer's patients.
(26:26):
So yeah, we cover anything.
When you call our place, you go, Hey,have you do you do blah, blah, blah.
We go, yeah.
We go, really?
Yep.
We cover it and we put the phone down andwe give them hope and then scramble around
for somebody who's capable of doing it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
People need to hear.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it really will.
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I mean, we, we've never failedyet what we do, but it's harsh.
It's very, very harsh and it'sdoing psych, with the guys, man.
Because again, it's not about the alcohol,food, porn, and sex, not about that guys.
It's not about the depression.
It's not about, there'ssomething deep rooted going on.
When we find out that alcohol is1% to do, then you've gotta start
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thinking, wow, what's the other 99%?
Well, it's here.
If you knew how powerful themind was it will freak you out.
And you were changed instantly fortoday, mind over the brain is matter.
Mind over matter, this guy inthe morning with the conscious
and subconscious and run the day.
So the with subconscious brain[inaudible], lack of oxygen doing and
(27:31):
because of in care between two and fiveand enormous circadian sleep pattern
is when most work has been done.
Also, where most people[inaudible] up would cause.
We have a system.
First thing on wakes us up.
We have a system to smash thisguy in the 24 hour subconscious
brains gone 'cause it eats oxygen.
This guy, the consciousbrain, is now limited for the
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next 16- 17,000 [inaudible].
You know, it was happenedfrom the conscious brain.
Bad [inaudible] happen [inaudible]for the subconscious brain.
And the way we test this out forpeople, we're asking two questions.
Give me a good memory from childhood.
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Oh, I went to the [inaudible], okay, gimmea bad Oh, when [inaudible] means you're
coming from a conscious brain with all thetrauma you live that traumatizing life.
There was a great, I forget where theline come from, but they took a prisoner's
walk from England over to, I think itwas Japan, to see the all, you know,
the stuff that happened over there.
And he was 10 ex soldiers [inaudible].
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And the interviewer asked all10 of them do you forgive them.
One person said, no,I didn't forgive them.
And they, and the interviewsaid, well, they still have you
captured in prison, don't they?
If you don't let go of the past 'causeit's no use to you, you'll live the past.
That's not how human beingsare supposed to live.
We have this nine dimensional thing.
Like I said, we do it onlineand personally, you basically
(28:57):
put your headphones in and it'snine dimensions, subliminal
messagings, brand new on the market.
And when you take 'emoff, they go, oh my God!
What was that?
It was amazing.
I feel fantastic.
And we say to them, no, you don't.
You feel normal.
This is the way we'resupposed to feel every day.
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Our diets, the pharmaceutical drugs, ourlife in general, pulls us down, pulls us
down until you start acting like they do.
And if yourself, it's hard for one personto, to change nine people Mike, but it's
easy for nine people to change one person.
How do we know that?
The experiment in the reception, webrought nine actors in, and you were
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told that when a buzzer goes, you standup in the waiting room and you sit down.
And we had one patient, theyknew nothing about this.
The stake was set.
All 10 sat down.
Ah, the nine people stood up thedoor was on her phone, looked
up briefly, 45 seconds, likeah, the nine people stood up.
She put her phone downand she's looking around.
The third person, she stoodup with everybody else as we
(29:59):
called them in one by one.
She's on her own in the waiting room.
Yeah, she's fed up.
That's how easy it's to catchthat negative behavior of
people or crazy behavior.
You hung around them longenough, you'll become [inaudible]
Well, and that's the walk off, right?
That healing from addiction andtrauma just takes what a little
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courage, persistence, and work.
Yeah.
And knowledge from what the otherperson knows is very important.
So great spots and stuff like thatwe use to public out, but yeah.
If you get the right people around you,if you're seeing the right people you
can literally be anybody you want to be.
Mm.
I always, I don't know, I just said this,but when I first came over with things
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that Americans always used say to mewhen go, you can do anything you want
to do, they always used to say, well, Ican't be president of the United States.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Let's forget your politicalviews for a second, guys.
And I think you know where I'm going.
We have a businessman running the countrywith no political experience whatsoever.
Don't dare tell me youcan't achieve your dreams.
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It, it's not true.
Somebody's put that there.
You've gotta start saying, says who?
Sounds great, Dr. Robb, thankyou so much for sharing your
time and your expertise in there.
Just amazing story, just amazing story.
Those of you who listen regularlyknow that we will put links to
the Robb Kelly Recovery Groupon the blurb for the podcast.
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We thank you always forlistening, watching.
We hope you find love, courage, support,and take that first step wherever you are.
As always, thanks for listening.
Be safe, and as Dr. Robb would say.
Just step into the solution.
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