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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Triggering change one heartbeat at a time. Battle for Freedom.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome everyone.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm your host Watson Premier from Battle for Freedom on
Mojo vibr Radio. So it's Wednesday, and it is great
to see you. Sorry I missed you on Monday, but
I was having a wonderful time with my kids and
celebrating the birthday with.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
One of them.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
But today, you know, and you've been with me for
several years now, almost a decade, and you know, one
of the things I've always tried to figure out a
way is how do we get to make a change
in society given the fact that we see all these
changes that are happening, and we want to see some
semblance of common sense and everything like happening. Well, I
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have friends who have run for office, but I've never
really had anyone who can tell you what to do
on building to get there and what are you do
when you get there. So that's gonna be my guest today.
And it's a good friend that I've met in some
what we call it a pair pair of church ministries.
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in the guests here and this will be a lot
of fun. And this is going to be run win
lead and interviewing a good friend, David Lance, an awesome author.
Let's make sure he hasn't run away. Let me make
sure he hasn't run away yet, David, you're still there.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
So I need to get a son of him.
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You know. Amazing, it really is. It's a brilliant concept.
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And if an EMP strike, amazing son of them is
still working because you can't take out the sun. So
today we're going to talk about run We're gonna talk Sorry,
rud wind lead tell us, oh my goodness, tell us
a little bit about you what you're doing here, and well, yes,
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please tell us a little bit about this and we
go from there.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
After after the campaign was over, I met a lady
by the name of Sarah Denise Brown and she has
a company called The Thinking Tree, so she published publishes
books for the homeschool market. And she said, you know,
it'd be really cool to have something designed for say,
high school students ninth grade and up on what it
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takes as one is becoming an adult, going through that
whole adulting thing to prepare oneself for leadership, whether it's
in any any type of leadership, but focused on political leadership.
And so Sarah's company has done homeschool books for They've
done about over three hundred books that they have done.
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And so we set out to write a book that
helps kids figure out what are the qualities that make
successful leaders successful. Character counts a lot, and so reading
biographies of famous people of whatever discipline that they might
have been. But we, for example, have examples of Abraham
Lincoln and Davy Crockett, and what are the struggles and
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the obstacles that they had to overcome to become successful?
You know, persistence is really key in any sort of leadership.
So those types of character qualities that make for successful
leaders in the context of running for office. And so
that's how the book came about. I wrote most of
the content, Sarah did most of the way. The assignments
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are laid out in the book.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, well this is really good.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
They see you lay this out. You try and help
them understand how to get to this point. This run
win lead a student's guide to becoming a successful political
lead leader. You know, it's going to help them start
with this idea of how to run our political systems.
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And honestly, to tell you the truth, I honestly to
tell you the truth. When I think about it, there's
so much energy put into running that you don't really
see the follow up how I do when I get there.
It's kind of almost almost like it's almost like a wedding,
and the people get so fixated on the big event
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of the wedding, they never prepare for what to do
once they get there, and folk focus on this. You know,
as I sit here, you know you've talked about this
idea of the lessons we learned from school. What are
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some of the ways that you try and help them
in the school environment of figuring out that model to
follow or say maybe a person or something like that.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, I think about a particular assignment that I had
when I was in fifth grade, And in fact, my
niece teaches fifth grade, and I'm gonna hopefully talk to
her today or tomorrow about this concept that I'm going
to throw out for your consideration. So missus May's and
fifth grade had us all pick a president from American
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history and essentially do a report to the class as
though we were that individual, saying I'm running for president,
and for example, my name is James Monroe. Here's the
time frame that I'm running in. Here's what's going on
in the history of the United States at the time
I'm running. Here's my plan for what I'm going to
do if you elect me as president of the United State.
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Now you have to learn about James Monroe, fifth president
of the United States, what was going on in American
history at that time, and so you learn about the
history of that and what that particular president did, and
all the other students have to pick a president do
that too. Now a thought to consider here, We've got
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the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country coming up.
So what if let's say that you're, I don't know,
a sophomore in high school and the teacher. Let's say Watson,
you're the teacher, and you want your students to basically
decide in the class which two American presidents from the
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eighteen hundreds. Let's keep it to the eighteen hundreds. Nobody
remembers who those people are or what was going on
in history. So let's figure that out and have the
students vote on the two former presidents from the eighteen
hundreds if we could elect them today. Who might they be.
Let's say, for example, that you want James Polk, and
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let's say that I want I don't know Grover Cleveland,
all right, and so we come down to those two.
There were other ones that didn't make the cut. Those
are the top two. Now we divide the class into
two groups. Your group is going to go for James
Polk and I'm going to go for Grover Cleveland. Let's
put a campaign together to convince the students of our
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entire school to elect either James Polk or Grover Cleveland
as President of the United States today if he were
still alive. Now, think about what has to happen. Everybody
in the class has to learn about James, either James
Polk or Grover Cleveland, what was going on in the
history of America at that time, and then they have
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to go out and they have to campaign. And so
in the book Run, Win, Lead, we have twelve different
types of volunteer du jobs that people need to do
in a political campaign, and so now using the book,
you can talk about what do we need to do
to get our campaign going forward to elect either Grover
Clevelander or James Polk. Now in the book we also say,
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let's apply this to the real world. You don't have
to volunteer for a person a politician. You can volunteer
for a food pantry, or you can volunteer for some
sort of church function or whatever it might be. But
do that and keep a journal so that you learn
about being a volunteer, taking instructions from an adult who's
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going to say, here's what we need to do, and
so learning about these various volunteer tasks that people have
to do, whether it's a political campaign or just helping
with a not for profit in your local community. But
I really like this fifth grade example from my history
and embellishing that as we get ready to celebrate the
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two hundred and fifth anniversary of the country in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I forgot that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah I knew we were close. I can't believe we're
literally a year and a week away.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It really is Holy week block of Holy or year
in year and almost two weeks less than two weeks away.
That's yeah, that's fascinating. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I just got to thinking about this, and that's why
I want to talk to my niece. Her name is Kylie.
And in fact, I meant to call her earlier in
the week and I forgot to do that, so I
got busy on other stuff. I need to call her.
But I pitched the idea over the weekend and I said,
think about this. I want to pick your brain because
you're the actual fifth grade teacher in the classrooms. What
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are the standards right now in the state of Indiana.
And one of the neat things about the thinking Tree
that Sarah Denise Brown has, they've set up their curriculum
that it can be you used for even public school,
not just homeschool, but public school in about ten different states.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But hold on a second here, though, because now you're
talking about like these presidents and you're talking about the
eighteenth century. Wasn't it only like dirt and huts back then?
I mean, did they have buildings? Did they have I mean,
or even kids?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Even?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I mean, because it seems to me I feel like
sometimes the schools are biased, that the only presidents we
know of are Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, and maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think they Kennedy is anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's true. They probably don't.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well they probably the only reason why they'll hear it
now is because of the Kennedy files.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But outside of that, I mean, you're mentioned, but that's.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
The whole point. They don't know about it. Now. Do
you know who Fest Parker was?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That name does not ring a bell.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
He played the charcter Davy Crockett. Back in the sixties,
there was a TV show about Davy Crockett. Fess Parker
was the actor who played Davy Crockett. I grew up.
My name's David. Do you think I would pay attention
to some historical fixture with the name of Davy. I
absolutely wanted to be Davy Crockett, Okay, but nobody watched.
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You can find you can find the TV version of
that on YouTube. You could look up Davy Crockett. And
I won't try to sing the song for you, but
it's a cool song. But here's the thing. I teach
dual credit college courses in a high school setting. I
won't mention either the college that I teach for or
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the school that I'm in. But I teach American government
and intro to American government, and I teach introduction to economics.
So I get to in American history the Alamo, and
I ask my students, do you know who Davy Crockett is?
Nobody knows who is. Nobody knows anything about the Alamo,
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And so let's come forward to what's going on in
America today. Over in Los Angeles, you've got illegal aliens
running around waving the Mexican flag. Well, what does that
happen to do with anything? Well, guess what it was
Texas fighting for freedom, yep, battle for freedom in the
early eighteen hundreds. And so the history of how Texas
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went from being owned by Mexico to being owned by
the United States is relevant to history today. Yes, And
my assignment that I just gave you as as an
example of learning about Davy Crockett helps you understand the
context of what's going on in the streets of Los
Angeles in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, I on a two things on there where
you used to started mentioning Davy. The one person came
to mind was do you remember it was like the
seventies eighties there was a claymation cartoon called it was
Davy and Goliath.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I remember the claymation stuff. I don't remember the specifics though.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, there was one of the uh there was an
organization that actually made a clay Mason series different stories.
It was like a claymation version of like Opie, Come on,
Opie and Opie.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Opie was from uh shucks, uh Mayberry and and what
was that called? Well, it was it was uh it
was and or Andy Griffiths Show or the Andy and
Mayberry or something like that, and changed the title of
the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, they did another one.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Actually when you met I completely forgot about David Crockett.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I actually I love that show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The only one I loved outside of that was, which
was very interesting was the rifle Man Man.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, not Fett Parker, but I can't remember Chuck something
or other.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I want to actually share a couple of a comment
from one of the one of the listeners I think
you might like here. This is pretty this is pretty funny.
It says, he says, anyone else thinks this man slightly
resembles Walter White.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Now you and I are both fifty percent of interracial marriages, okay,
and so my life is Chinese. And so my daughter
one time was talking to a friend of hers and
I know the young man as well, and the young
man says to my daughter, your dad is the whitest
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white guy I know. Okay. So I don't know if
that it has anything to do with Walter White, but.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Oh my goodness, too fun we have. There's a unique
group of listeners and I love everything that they share. No, no,
it's it's I think the problem that we run into
is also with them not knowing history. This this gets
back into the whole idea of helping. There's so many
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distortions nowadays where the systems go crazy woke, rewrite history whatsoever.
But history history remains true and pure if we stay
where it was rather than try and make it fit agendas,
and just allow people to just work with the regular
information that's given there, instead of just spinning every just
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thing everything just seems like it's in spin cycle, rather
than people learning and everything like that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
This was I think one of the main problems with
the way social studies in general has been taught history
and particular is it is a series of names, places
and dates without any connective tissue that looks at the
story behind all of this. I remember I was I
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went to Butler University for my undergraduate and I walked
into an American history class with a guy by the
name of George Guibe as the professor. And he made
the story of history come alive. He would pretend he
was Benjamin Franklin, and he would put his classes down
like this, and he would start talking to us as
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though he was Benjamin Franklin in the time period you know,
of the late seventeen hundreds and things of that nature,
and he would and then he would switch out to
be somebody else, and so he would have these historical
characters talking to each other about events in history to
bring the subject alive. And I thought, wow, this is great.
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How come nobody else in high schoo school ever did
anything like that? And the answer probably is because usually,
at least when I was in high school, the social
studies teacher was the wrestling coach or the football coach
or somebody like that, and they needed, get my opinion,
they need to give the football coach or the wrestling
coach a teaching gig, and that's what they gave them.
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And so we have not spent any time talking about
the vibrancy of history and how it applies to what
we're doing today. Let me switch gears here a little bit.
I have my students the dual credit that I mentioned.
I have them do a video project where they have
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to take a topic and they have to get in
the team and they have to create a video presentation
of whatever the topic is. So in my economics class,
I had them the Green New Deal versus Stargate. Now,
you're an IT guy, what is Stargate? Tell your audience
is not the movie, not the TV show?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Ah, well, they're actually there, Actually are there systems well monuments,
if I'm correct that par there are different.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Monuments around the world that look like stargates, no different.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
President Trump, at the beginning of administration launched start Operations Stargate,
which was basically to use AI. Okay, Now, the reason
why I had it juxtaposed against the Green New Deal
is because stargate is for AI, as you know, is
very energy intensive, and so the Green New Deal wants
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to get rid of fossil fuels, and Trump wants to
embrace all types of fuels, including coal, natural gas, nuclear,
et cetera. Now, so we're going to have a debate
in my government, in my economics class about which path
we choose. Now, let me take you back to the
year seventeen ninety one. The Constitution was ratified in seventeen
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eighty nine. Alexander Hamilton is Washington's head of the Treasury,
and he creates a report to the United States Congress
on the topic of manufacturing. We are at the dawn
in seventeen ninety one. We were at the dawn of
the Industrial Revolution. In fact, it is illegal. Britain has
passed the law that makes it illegal for anybody that
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knows anything about steam engines and creating textile mills to
immigrate to America. It's illegal. So Hamilton comes up with
a plan to get illegal aliens who know something about
making textile mills to bring manufacturing to the New Country.
All right, now, believe it or not, Thomas Jefferson was
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a political rival of Alexander Hamilton. Thomas Jefferson wanted to
promote ag culture based on the slave market. And so,
just like today, we have a fight going on between
the Green New Deal and Stargate. In seventeen ninety one,
it was agricultures versus the brand new concept of manufacturing.
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AI is the brand new concept today. Manufacturing was the
brand new concept in seventeen ninety one. Now, I just
gave you a brief history lesson, but I want you
to see that the fight over politics and economics, whether
it is the Green New Deal and AI today or
manufacturing versus agriculture in seventeen ninety one, the basic political
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fight and economic interests that are involved is the same subject.
Human nature does not change. And so now we've applied
history and what was going on in our government at
that time and in the formation of political parties and
things of that nature to what's going on here. So
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would you hire me for your American government and econ teacher?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Almost definitely. So here's what we're gonna do. In about
sixty seconds, we're going to a break. We're gonna go
do a two minute break. And what I'm gonna do is, like, folks,
if your brain hasn't exploded yet with all the awesome information,
I'm gonna talk a whole lot less when we come
back from the break, so you can hear more from David,
because we're going to get into things about what do,
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what do or should our political leaders do once they're
in office. And I think you're gonna love the content.
I can you hold on a few seconds and talk
to you the break, okay, awesome? And if you need
to do absolutely, if you need to do a potty break,
You've got two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And I'll talk to folks.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'm gonna run and refresh my coffee.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Copy that you su someone. Verse one, How blessed are
those who reject the advice of the wicked, don't stand
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on the way of sinners, or sit where the scoffers sit.
I love this because it's basically saying that the person
does not want to associate with wickedness in any way,
from hearing, standing near associating, nor being comfortable enough to
rest in his presence. First two says their delight is
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innatornized Torah on his tour. They meditate day and night.
In other words, they love the teachings of God, and
this is what they think about day and night. They
are like trees planted by His streams. They bear their
fruit in season, their leaves never wither. Everything they do succeeds.
First tree is basically hinting that there's life in them
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and it's not murky, stagnant water that passes by them
or fills them. It's flowing, life giving, clean water. But
verse four says, not so the wicked, who are like
chaff driven by the wind. Chaff. It's a substitute or
it looks like or an imitation of wheat that has
no substance and has no value, and it's easily manipulated.
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For this reason, the wicked won't stand up to the judgment,
nor will sinners at the gathering of the righteous. In
other words, there is no hope for those who reject
the teachings of Adenin, who reject his tora, They will
not be able to stand, even though they think that
their gods, the lord of creation, will humble them verse six.
For Adenai watches over the way of the righteous, but
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the way of the wicked is doomed. In other words,
if our goal is to reject Adenai, his teachings, his Torah,
his rule, his order, that means that we will suffer
the consequences of living in no order and complete chaos,
facing his wrath for eternity. Why because we rejected his truth,
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triggering change one heartbeat at a time, battle for freedom,
Welcome back everyone. I'm your host, Watson Prenator from Battle
for Freedom, and we're gonna jump right back into this.
I have an excellent guest who's having some wonderful things
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to share with us in an age when we need
to know about politics. Let me bring him back in
now so you guys don't hate me anymore, and I'm
gonna let him speak more. Dave David, thank you for
joining and being part of the program. One of the
other hosts on the network. He comes on Sundays at
twelve mem He's the Standard time. He has a program
called eight um Peach and as interesting as you talk
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about our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, he'll be basically
talking about these things on the Sunday twelve some Standard time,
the fourth of the fourth of July. That'll be his discussion.
His name is lep He's pretty, he's he you know what,
I think you guys would like almost get lost in
a voice.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I think you the two of you would get lost
in a void of just a basic information because he
is just like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
This huge repository.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It like he hides himself under a hat, but he's
got like the big braid and you'd love what you
have to say. But so we sit here talking about run, win,
lead and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There was this one.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh yeah yeah, here it is is a sitting here there,
look at this. We need to talk about what do
they do when they get in office? Okay, once we
elect them, what happens here?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Well, it really depends on what level of office that
one is running for. And if I can back out
a little bit from your question, I'll answer your question,
but I want to back out a little bit. We
begin with the book looking at somebody running for Congress,
but I want to make sure that everybody understands that
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there's all sorts of things from you know, being a
member of school board to a city council person, even
running for a judge. So and in fact, we have
several people who have actually been elected officials who have
written short little testimonies that we sprinkle into the book.
By the way, I should mention, the book is not
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out yet. The idea is that it's supposed to come
out early next month, in July. It'd be ideal if
it came out of July fourth. I don't have any
control over that. I'm just the writer Sarah's taking care
of all the other stuff that I don't have to
worry about. But so I'll be sure to let you
know when I know that it is available for purchase.
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It will be available on Amazon. But to answer your question,
one of the I think the key things that whatever
level of government that you are elected to is that
you need to listen to the people. I don't want
to borrow you. But there are two broad categories of
what people think elected people should do. One is to
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basically be a trustee. That is, you elected me. You
assume that I'm a good person. You assume that I
have good judgment. Uh, you don't want to be bogged
down in the weeds of all the details of everything
that I have to deal with, So trust me to
make decisions that are good on your behalf. That's what's
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called the trustee model. The delegate model is every time
I have a big vote coming up, Hey what do
my constituents think I should do? Let me ask a
bunch of people. And so now I'm subject to the
whims of whatever the popular you know, thinking is right today,
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which is based on whatever level of information the public
has and whatever the level of measure the public has
may be fat or maybe fake news, and so that's
the hard thing. So I think a good political leader
needs to have some experience to tell when they're talking
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to people and people are shooting straight with them or
blowing smoke. And so you want to therefore have people
who have had experience before they get elected to be
able to discern truth fact from fiction, and then talk
to various people and have people that you know and
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trust that you can go to, Hey, I don't know
anything about nuclear power. Who can I talk to to
make sure that I'm making a decision that affects nuclear
power that will be good, and also figuring out who
the various stakeholders are. One of the things that we
do is remember the audience is not people in your
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age group or mind. These are high school students. And
did you know that I don't know when it was,
but sometime in the past. Remember the SAT tests that
you and I studied for to take, and there was
a section on vocabulary that you had to learn what
all these words met. Somewhere along the way they got
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rid of the vocabulary section of the of the SAT tests.
People no longer have to know what words mean, and
so you have to spend time to make sure people
know what a stakeholder is. A stakeholder is a person
or a group of people that are affected by something
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that's going on. And so, for example, we've got construction
all throughout Marion County. That's the city of Indianapolis and
center of indian Indiana for those of you who don't know.
And so if you're going to have an interstate ramp
cut right through a downtown neighborhood, that's going to displace
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a lot of people living in their homes. So the
stakeholders would be the people that live in those houses
that are going to have their neighborhoods displaced. The State
of Indiana Indiana Department of Transportation, because they're managing the interstate.
You've got city elected officials, You've got all sorts of people.
You've got to figure out who are the stakeholders who
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are affected by these things. So a good politician, once
they get into office, would want to include the point
of view of everybody. Doesn't mean that I'm going to
do exactly what you tell me is good for you,
because I've got fifteen other stakeholders that also have interests
in the whole thing. And I have to try to
figure out what's in the best interest for the general
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population and to make sure that I don't totally destroy
this stakeholder group or that stakeholder group. So to answer
your question, what do you do when you get into office?
You have to be a wise person my life versus
Proverbs fifteen to two. The wise man makes knowledge acceptable. Yes,
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you don't have to like everything that I come up with,
but you're going to accept it and understand that it
is best for the entire community.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
If I suck my job, Yeah, here's is the tongue.
The tongue of the why speaks knowledge that is pleasing
and acceptable, and everything that you've been hearing you say
so far, this is. You know what's really interesting though,
when you start getting into the stakeholders and there's a
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lot of different personalities and everything like that you need
to deal with kind of like all the different person
as we have on Capitol Hill. And then yeah, as
you're going through all the stakeholders and everything like that,
there are going to be some issues that are key
to some people and key to some other individuals, and
some people are going to be willing to die on
a hill. So you have a term in leadership model
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saying going to the other side of the hill. Yes,
how does that line up against Capitol Hill, dying on
hills or the Hill Street blues?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay? So here's another thing, a blast from the past
in terms of TV land. Do you remember watching Gilligan's Island?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Okay. Now, the same people that created Gilligan's Island created
a TV show didn't last very long called It's About Time.
It was about these two astronauts who were in a
spaceship and somehow it had a Charlton Heston moment from
Planet of the Eights and went into history a million BC. Okay,
(35:49):
And so they land in caveman times and there are
these cave people who are trying to figure out where
these two astronauts came from, and the astronauts say, we
can from the tribe on the other side of the hill. Now,
the astronauts they're working with coconuts and all that other stuff,
and one million BC. They want to get back to
their time, and so they're trying to explain to the
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caveman's It was a comedy based on, you know, stuff
in Gilligan's Island. So think of Gilligan's Island a million BC.
All right, but the cave people want to go with
them to the other side of the hill. And so
so the astronauts are saying, we need your help so
we can build a vehicle to go to the other
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side of the hill. So I took that metaphor in
my leadership model. So going to the other side of
the hill is I have a vision of what the
other side of the hill looks like, and I think
it's a great place, and here's all the great things
that if we do all this stuff and do it right,
we will get to the other side of the hill.
You know, Moses says to the Israelites, God is taking
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us to the promised Land. It's the other side of
the hill. And if we do what God commands and
et cetera, et cetera, then we will get to the
other side of the hill in peace and live in
a land flowing with milk and honey. Sounds good, especially
since everything else around us is desert. So Moses, let's go,
all right. So the first step is having a visionary
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leader who can say, here's what the other side of
the hill looks like, and here's where I want to
take the group. The next thing is everybody is important.
We all need to pitch in together so that we
get to the other side of the hill. Well, what's politics?
I think politics is about getting lots of people to
do little, small jobs that collectively gets us to accomplish
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something that is good for our community. And so you
probably want to say, well, what can I do? And I,
the leader, would say, here's what you can do. You
have a skill in I don't know, woodworking, so you
can help build the frame of the boat that we
need to climb aboard to get to the other side
of the hill. And so everybody, I'm going to explain
here's how what you're doing contributes to the big picture. Okay,
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and then people come along. The third step is well
how do I do this? Well, if experience in doing
lots of different things. You ever watched Star Trek the
original series, Captain Kirk yep. Okay, anytime anybody gets sick,
gets hurt, whatever, Captain Kirk can jump in. He can
do the engineering, even though Scott he's better at it.
He can do the science stuff, even though Spock is
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better at it. Kirk knows how to do everything, all right, Yes,
and so.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
You believe you have to have come up through the
ranks so that you've learned by doing all these things,
because you started a long time ago, and you read
my book Run When Lead, a student's guide to becoming
a political leader, and you've learned that you need to
basically walk before you can run.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
So I now, and one of the assignments is pretend
that you're going to run the campaign for a guy
running for Congress, and you need to build a campaign team.
What types of people are you going to hire to
do these various jobs, and you need to know what
those jobs entail so that you know the kind of
person that you need to hire to do them full
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time anyway, So that's the third step. And the fourth
step is to build a vehicle that we can all
climb aboard to go to the other side of the hill. Now,
in politics, we call that a political campaign. You know,
we have an organization, we figure out the geography that
we're running in, whether it's the school board here in
the local area, or president of the United States, whatever
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the geography is. We have to think in terms of
what kind of a vehicle we need to create in
order to get us to the other side of the hill. Now,
whether it's politics or running a business or ministry in
a church, we all need to apply that model. So
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there you go. It's about time TV show back in
the sixties based off of the ideas of Gilligan's Island
is applied to leadership today.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You know, one of the key things in that as
I think about them having the conversation with the cave
and is that they had to figure out a way
to communicate. And you know, basically Ronald Reagan was known
as the great communicator. You have a chapter about communicating.
Do you tell them how to people how to give
speeches that aren't just for political show, but a way
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to communicate to the people the right way. Yes.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Now, have you ever heard of an organization called Toastmasters International?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh, my goodness, I think so, But you're asking me
to go into cobwebs here.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So Toastmaster's International is an international organization. It is designed
to help people to get over the number one fear
that people say they have, which is public speaking. And
so their their model says, we're going to teach you
how to become a better listener, a better thinker, and
a better speak and we build leaders. I was in
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toast Masters for fifteen years, one a number of trophies
for speech contests and things of that nature. And so
one of the chapters deals with learning to be a communicator,
not just in terms of giving speeches, but in writing
out your ideas and how do you communicate those. Now,
in toast Masters, if you were to join that, and
(41:26):
I'm sure that some of your listeners to this program
probably have either been in toast Masters or even now
are in toast Masters. But there are various levels that
you can progress through, and you have to give various
types of speeches. So to start out, you're going to
give your very first speech is called the icebreaker. That's
where you tell the club that you just joined a
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little bit about yourself. Well, if you're going to run
for office, you've got to get used to telling different
audiences who you are and introducing yourself in a way
that is not overly boring and doesn't sound prideful in
things of that nature. Now, that's a tricky thing all
in its own. So the first thing that I have
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there in terms of communication on speeches is learning to
give that introductory speech about yourself, who in the heck
am I. Another speech that you have to give in
toast masters is the persuasive excuse me to speak to inform.
Pick a topic, any topic that you're interested in, and
you're not trying to get them to pick a thing
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of what to do. You just want to say, here's
what you need to know about, okay, and I'm going
to inform you about whatever it is. Speak to inform.
The third is the persuasive speech. So if you master
those three types of speeches, in what's called a stump
speech for a politician who has to give the same
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speech over and over again to different audiences, you work
through that. But you also have to ask yourself when
I'm giving a speech, who's my audience? What is the
goal that I have when I speak to this audience?
If I am speaking on a topic, am I, in
their eyes a credible speaker? Maybe my opponent is more
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credible than I am. Well, I need to acknowledge that
and find a way to say, I know that my
opponent has spent twenty years doing X. I've not been
in that industry, so why should you elect me? Well,
here's why I think that I'm worth listening to, even
though I don't have the twenty years of experience. In fact,
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I have a couple of YouTube links to speeches that
I've given the students can hear now You might remember
since we both helped Jamie written now are running for office.
And so one of the criticisms of Jamie was that
she didn't have any political experience. Do you remember that criticism?
And so I went to the National National Federation of
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Republican Assemblies here in Indiana, and there was a straw poll.
Curtis Hill and Jamie were the only two on the
straw pole ballot. And so I took that particular thing
head on, and I talked about her experience doing a
variety of ministry leadership as well as in California, she
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worked to root out corruption in a particular company, and
she had had in the neighborhood of twenty years doing
those sorts of leadership things. And then I talked about
the fact that the Governor Holcombe had a billion dollar
hole in the budget with regard to medicaid and other things.
And I said, she has twenty years of good leadership,
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she doesn't have twenty years of failed leadership. What kind
of experience do you want in a leader? And so
that was an example of how I took the what
was perceived to be a lack of experience on her
part and flipped it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Now, so when you're communicating, you have to understand what
are the objections, why do what do people find that
is lacking on my part? And find a way to
turn a weakness into a strength.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, that's good, that's good. I want to I want
to I'm gonna skip one of these because I want
to go with this. Where we are today, we're familiar
with Ronald Reagan's quote about how America is just one
generation away from losing its freedom. What hope do you
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want to give to people? Are you aiming to give
to people who are reading when the book comes out?
What what do you aim to get them to learn
and understand?
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, let's think for just a minute about who the
audience is. It's going to buy the book. It's not
going to be a fifteen year old sophomore in high school.
It's going to be the kid's parents or the kid's grandparents.
So here, so if I can talk to the parents
and the grandparents in the audience, here's my hope for you. You
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have life experiences that you would like to share with
your child or your grandchild, but you probably have been
reluctant to do that. Maybe the timing wasn't right. Maybe
you're asking yourself, how would my kid or my grandkid
even be interested in what happened to me when I
(46:43):
was a teenager. Okay, now you have this tool run
when Lead, which is all about at how character is
built in the lives of famous people. And I want
you to know that you are a famous person in
the minds of your kid or your grandkid. In fact,
(47:06):
if I can speak to grandparents, I'm sixty eight, I
have six grandchildren, and I like to think that they
like to spend time with me. Why because I'm going
to focus on them. But what I'm going to do
is if I go for a walk with my fourteen
year old grandson, We're going to talk about life, and
(47:29):
I'm going to ask him, so, do you have any
girls that you're interested in right now? No, Grandpa, I
don't like girls. Okay, sorry, but let me can I
tell you a story that you might find interesting? And
so I get to share stories from my life and
apply them to wherever my grandson or grand I have
one granddaughter and she's one year old, so she's not
(47:52):
quite ready for a walk yet with Grandpa. But I
have the other five grandsons and so whatever age they're at,
I can pull stories from my life and share with
them as we go for a walk. Well, now you
want to talk about what's going on in the world.
Your kid is maybe in middle school or higher and
(48:12):
you can talk about, here's what it was like back
in my day. What do you think about, whether it's
President Trump or Governor Braun, Governor of State of Indiana,
or Mayor Hogsheat, Mayor of Indianapolis. And weave in those
little stories from your life. And now you've got your
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grandchild hooked for that moment to talk about things. And
I hope you'll find my book Run Win Lead a
tool that you can use to talk about what's been
true in your life and the lessons that you want
your grandson, granddaughter, son or daughter to learn.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, now I'm appreciative of this because of that. Again,
I've wanted to do something like this, but I just
life has just driven me in a different way. And
I guess with you, you have you have the time,
and you actually have a great group of individuals to
kind of reach, reach the young minds who are who
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are multiple so that hopefully they can be willing to
learn and apply the principles that you're sharing. And then
as they get into to serve in whatever capacity that
they're serving. There they've got good structure of good bones.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
As there yea where they need to go.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
This isn't well. Two things we have time for this cool.
First of all, is there a way that people can
contact you? Or you have an Internet presence that people can.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yeah, my website is Why's Jargon, w I s E
jay Is and John A. R Gs and George O.
N dot com, wysjargon dot com. My email is d
lance and tz at wisjargon dot com. And if people
want my phone number, let's do this. They can contact you,
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and if you think that they're a reasonable person, then
you feel free to hand out my phone number.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Five five one two three four. This is like the movies.
Every regular five five five right cash now.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
But I think of the easiest thing is to just
send me an email and in the subject line say hey,
I saw you on Battle for Freeman Freedom and uh
so uh going from there, that'd.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Be cool awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Also, just so you know, Walter White, who they were mentioning.
He's an actor from Breaking Bad?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Oh? Is he the guy? Is he the main guy?
And I didn't. I watched like three or four episodes
of that, and after they put the dead people in
in the r V and body bags, uh and and
try to basically destroy the bodies in the bathtub, and
(51:10):
the acid leaked, and I just gave up on it
after three or four episodes. I'm sorry. That's that's what
I remember of the show.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, so, so his only killer instincts are in educating people.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So if he is Walter White, his killer.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Instincts are educating people, not offingals are unliving them.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
Okay, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Well, see it's it's a term you have to use
online because of the fact that the other words that
could be used could get you censored. I see, no, lie,
there are a lot of words you can no longer
say with freedom any more for fear of being censored.
We're run when lead. Hopefully we're looking to see this
(52:10):
happen in the first couple of weeks, within the next
couple of weeks of July.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
But this isn't your only have you done anything else?
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I have multiple books that I've written, so nonfiction books.
One is called Think like Jesus, Lead like Moses, Leadership
Lessons from the Wilderness Crucible. Once upon a Time, I
was the head of the Indiana State Christian Coalition back
in the nineties, helping people to get elected for office
(52:40):
and doing grassroots politics in the pro family movement, and
so I use the story of Moses and leadership. And
then we've in my experiences of running the Christian Coalition
in the state of Indiana, almost going bankrupt and because
it was really hard to raise money and things of
that nature, and dealing with the political pressures and stuff,
(53:01):
but also the joys of working with people who want
to help fix the country, so to speak. Have another
book called The Unraveling of We the People. It's sort
of a history of civics education in the United States
and how it went off the rails during the Progressive movement.
And so think of the Constitution being torn in part
(53:25):
with the words we the people at the top being torn,
and so the unraveling and how do we fix that
with better civics education? And by that I don't just
mean learning history and how a bill becomes a law.
I mean about building the character of citizens in the
country so that we have good moral based on Christian
(53:48):
values in our country. And then I have several novels.
I am really interested in the time period of what's
called the Exilic period, when the Jews were taken into
exile to Babylon. So the first novel is called The
Brotherhood of the Scroll. The sequel to that is the
sort of the Scroll. And then when my grandchildren, the
(54:09):
oldest one hit about age ten, I basically created one
called The Chronicles of Belta Shazar, where I pulled stories
of Daniel out of the Brotherhood of the Scroll. And
then if you've seen The Princess Bride, where Grandpa reads
a story to his grandson who's homesick in bed, I
have Grandpa telling the story of Daniel and the Lions Dead,
(54:29):
with the grandchildren every once in a while interrupting and saying, Grandpa,
did that really happen in the Bible? You know what,
can you explain that better? And so Grandpa then gets
to share his thoughts from his life, just like I
mentioned a couple moments ago doing And so I'm trying
to find ways for all of us old people to
become relevant to our grandkids before they become teenagers and
(54:52):
don't want to talk to anybody older than twenty.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Awesome. Awesome, one would work of it. Those mentioned. Oddly enough,
Walter White was also a teacher. Just saying that's one
of the listeners said.
Speaker 5 (55:06):
Yes, I am at La Fitness. I am known simply
as the professor.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
The professor. Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, the professor is here and he's sharing information about
just trying to help us because our politics are screwed up.
And I think it's because people are lacking if the
foundation of history, truth and understanding, and they will be
able to get some learning and some edumacation as soon
as this book comes out. Everyone whysjargon dot com. This
(55:35):
is how you will be able to catch information from David.
Learn a little bit more, follow him, and make sure
keep keep unaccountable so he's not stuffing people in cars
with acid and all those other different things. Sure, sure
he's not doing that. What we'll do is this Friday,
(55:55):
we'll get into the Genesis forty nine and we'll go
from there. Everyone have an awesome day. Thanks David, be blessed,
take care and see you later. M HM.
Triggering change one heartbeat at a time. Battle for Freedom.
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Speaker 5 (05:28):
After after the campaign was over, I met a lady
by the name of Sarah Denise Brown and she has
a company called The Thinking Tree, so she published publishes
books for the homeschool market. And she said, you know,
it'd be really cool to have something designed for say,
high school students ninth grade and up on what it
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takes as one is becoming an adult, going through that
whole adulting thing to prepare oneself for leadership, whether it's
in any any type of leadership, but focused on political leadership.
And so Sarah's company has done homeschool books for They've
done about over three hundred books that they have done.
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And so we set out to write a book that
helps kids figure out what are the qualities that make
successful leaders successful. Character counts a lot, and so reading
biographies of famous people of whatever discipline that they might
have been. But we, for example, have examples of Abraham
Lincoln and Davy Crockett, and what are the struggles and
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the obstacles that they had to overcome to become successful?
You know, persistence is really key in any sort of leadership.
So those types of character qualities that make for successful
leaders in the context of running for office. And so
that's how the book came about. I wrote most of
the content, Sarah did most of the way. The assignments
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are laid out in the book.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, well this is really good.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
They see you lay this out. You try and help
them understand how to get to this point. This run
win lead a student's guide to becoming a successful political
lead leader. You know, it's going to help them start
with this idea of how to run our political systems.
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And honestly, to tell you the truth, I honestly to
tell you the truth. When I think about it, there's
so much energy put into running that you don't really
see the follow up how I do when I get there.
It's kind of almost almost like it's almost like a wedding,
and the people get so fixated on the big event
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of the wedding, they never prepare for what to do
once they get there, and folk focus on this. You know,
as I sit here, you know you've talked about this
idea of the lessons we learned from school. What are
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some of the ways that you try and help them
in the school environment of figuring out that model to
follow or say maybe a person or something like that.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, I think about a particular assignment that I had
when I was in fifth grade, And in fact, my
niece teaches fifth grade, and I'm gonna hopefully talk to
her today or tomorrow about this concept that I'm going
to throw out for your consideration. So missus May's and
fifth grade had us all pick a president from American
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history and essentially do a report to the class as
though we were that individual, saying I'm running for president,
and for example, my name is James Monroe. Here's the
time frame that I'm running in. Here's what's going on
in the history of the United States at the time
I'm running. Here's my plan for what I'm going to
do if you elect me as president of the United State.
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Now you have to learn about James Monroe, fifth president
of the United States, what was going on in American
history at that time, and so you learn about the
history of that and what that particular president did, and
all the other students have to pick a president do
that too. Now a thought to consider here, We've got
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the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country coming up.
So what if let's say that you're, I don't know,
a sophomore in high school and the teacher. Let's say Watson,
you're the teacher, and you want your students to basically
decide in the class which two American presidents from the
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eighteen hundreds. Let's keep it to the eighteen hundreds. Nobody
remembers who those people are or what was going on
in history. So let's figure that out and have the
students vote on the two former presidents from the eighteen
hundreds if we could elect them today. Who might they be.
Let's say, for example, that you want James Polk, and
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let's say that I want I don't know Grover Cleveland,
all right, and so we come down to those two.
There were other ones that didn't make the cut. Those
are the top two. Now we divide the class into
two groups. Your group is going to go for James
Polk and I'm going to go for Grover Cleveland. Let's
put a campaign together to convince the students of our
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entire school to elect either James Polk or Grover Cleveland
as President of the United States today if he were
still alive. Now, think about what has to happen. Everybody
in the class has to learn about James, either James
Polk or Grover Cleveland, what was going on in the
history of America at that time, and then they have
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to go out and they have to campaign. And so
in the book Run, Win, Lead, we have twelve different
types of volunteer du jobs that people need to do
in a political campaign, and so now using the book,
you can talk about what do we need to do
to get our campaign going forward to elect either Grover
Clevelander or James Polk. Now in the book we also say,
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let's apply this to the real world. You don't have
to volunteer for a person a politician. You can volunteer
for a food pantry, or you can volunteer for some
sort of church function or whatever it might be. But
do that and keep a journal so that you learn
about being a volunteer, taking instructions from an adult who's
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going to say, here's what we need to do, and
so learning about these various volunteer tasks that people have
to do, whether it's a political campaign or just helping
with a not for profit in your local community. But
I really like this fifth grade example from my history
and embellishing that as we get ready to celebrate the
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two hundred and fifth anniversary of the country in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I forgot that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah I knew we were close. I can't believe we're
literally a year and a week away.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It really is Holy week block of Holy or year
in year and almost two weeks less than two weeks away.
That's yeah, that's fascinating. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I just got to thinking about this, and that's why
I want to talk to my niece. Her name is Kylie.
And in fact, I meant to call her earlier in
the week and I forgot to do that, so I
got busy on other stuff. I need to call her.
But I pitched the idea over the weekend and I said,
think about this. I want to pick your brain because
you're the actual fifth grade teacher in the classrooms. What
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are the standards right now in the state of Indiana.
And one of the neat things about the thinking Tree
that Sarah Denise Brown has, they've set up their curriculum
that it can be you used for even public school,
not just homeschool, but public school in about ten different states.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But hold on a second here, though, because now you're
talking about like these presidents and you're talking about the
eighteenth century. Wasn't it only like dirt and huts back then?
I mean, did they have buildings? Did they have I mean,
or even kids?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Even?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I mean, because it seems to me I feel like
sometimes the schools are biased, that the only presidents we
know of are Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, and maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think they Kennedy is anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's true. They probably don't.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well they probably the only reason why they'll hear it
now is because of the Kennedy files.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But outside of that, I mean, you're mentioned, but that's.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
The whole point. They don't know about it. Now. Do
you know who Fest Parker was?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That name does not ring a bell.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
He played the charcter Davy Crockett. Back in the sixties,
there was a TV show about Davy Crockett. Fess Parker
was the actor who played Davy Crockett. I grew up.
My name's David. Do you think I would pay attention
to some historical fixture with the name of Davy. I
absolutely wanted to be Davy Crockett, Okay, but nobody watched.
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You can find you can find the TV version of
that on YouTube. You could look up Davy Crockett. And
I won't try to sing the song for you, but
it's a cool song. But here's the thing. I teach
dual credit college courses in a high school setting. I
won't mention either the college that I teach for or
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the school that I'm in. But I teach American government
and intro to American government, and I teach introduction to economics.
So I get to in American history the Alamo, and
I ask my students, do you know who Davy Crockett is?
Nobody knows who is. Nobody knows anything about the Alamo,
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And so let's come forward to what's going on in
America today. Over in Los Angeles, you've got illegal aliens
running around waving the Mexican flag. Well, what does that
happen to do with anything? Well, guess what it was
Texas fighting for freedom, yep, battle for freedom in the
early eighteen hundreds. And so the history of how Texas
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went from being owned by Mexico to being owned by
the United States is relevant to history today. Yes, And
my assignment that I just gave you as as an
example of learning about Davy Crockett helps you understand the
context of what's going on in the streets of Los
Angeles in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, I on a two things on there where
you used to started mentioning Davy. The one person came
to mind was do you remember it was like the
seventies eighties there was a claymation cartoon called it was
Davy and Goliath.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I remember the claymation stuff. I don't remember the specifics though.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, there was one of the uh there was an
organization that actually made a clay Mason series different stories.
It was like a claymation version of like Opie, Come on,
Opie and Opie.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Opie was from uh shucks, uh Mayberry and and what
was that called? Well, it was it was uh it
was and or Andy Griffiths Show or the Andy and
Mayberry or something like that, and changed the title of
the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, they did another one.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Actually when you met I completely forgot about David Crockett.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I actually I love that show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The only one I loved outside of that was, which
was very interesting was the rifle Man Man.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, not Fett Parker, but I can't remember Chuck something
or other.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I want to actually share a couple of a comment
from one of the one of the listeners I think
you might like here. This is pretty this is pretty funny.
It says, he says, anyone else thinks this man slightly
resembles Walter White.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Now you and I are both fifty percent of interracial marriages, okay,
and so my life is Chinese. And so my daughter
one time was talking to a friend of hers and
I know the young man as well, and the young
man says to my daughter, your dad is the whitest
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white guy I know. Okay. So I don't know if
that it has anything to do with Walter White, but.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Oh my goodness, too fun we have. There's a unique
group of listeners and I love everything that they share. No, no,
it's it's I think the problem that we run into
is also with them not knowing history. This this gets
back into the whole idea of helping. There's so many
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distortions nowadays where the systems go crazy woke, rewrite history whatsoever.
But history history remains true and pure if we stay
where it was rather than try and make it fit agendas,
and just allow people to just work with the regular
information that's given there, instead of just spinning every just
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thing everything just seems like it's in spin cycle, rather
than people learning and everything like that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
This was I think one of the main problems with
the way social studies in general has been taught history
and particular is it is a series of names, places
and dates without any connective tissue that looks at the
story behind all of this. I remember I was I
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went to Butler University for my undergraduate and I walked
into an American history class with a guy by the
name of George Guibe as the professor. And he made
the story of history come alive. He would pretend he
was Benjamin Franklin, and he would put his classes down
like this, and he would start talking to us as
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though he was Benjamin Franklin in the time period you know,
of the late seventeen hundreds and things of that nature,
and he would and then he would switch out to
be somebody else, and so he would have these historical
characters talking to each other about events in history to
bring the subject alive. And I thought, wow, this is great.
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How come nobody else in high schoo school ever did
anything like that? And the answer probably is because usually,
at least when I was in high school, the social
studies teacher was the wrestling coach or the football coach
or somebody like that, and they needed, get my opinion,
they need to give the football coach or the wrestling
coach a teaching gig, and that's what they gave them.
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And so we have not spent any time talking about
the vibrancy of history and how it applies to what
we're doing today. Let me switch gears here a little bit.
I have my students the dual credit that I mentioned.
I have them do a video project where they have
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to take a topic and they have to get in
the team and they have to create a video presentation
of whatever the topic is. So in my economics class,
I had them the Green New Deal versus Stargate. Now,
you're an IT guy, what is Stargate? Tell your audience
is not the movie, not the TV show?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Ah, well, they're actually there, Actually are there systems well monuments,
if I'm correct that par there are different.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Monuments around the world that look like stargates, no different.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
President Trump, at the beginning of administration launched start Operations Stargate,
which was basically to use AI. Okay, Now, the reason
why I had it juxtaposed against the Green New Deal
is because stargate is for AI, as you know, is
very energy intensive, and so the Green New Deal wants
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to get rid of fossil fuels, and Trump wants to
embrace all types of fuels, including coal, natural gas, nuclear,
et cetera. Now, so we're going to have a debate
in my government, in my economics class about which path
we choose. Now, let me take you back to the
year seventeen ninety one. The Constitution was ratified in seventeen
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eighty nine. Alexander Hamilton is Washington's head of the Treasury,
and he creates a report to the United States Congress
on the topic of manufacturing. We are at the dawn
in seventeen ninety one. We were at the dawn of
the Industrial Revolution. In fact, it is illegal. Britain has
passed the law that makes it illegal for anybody that
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knows anything about steam engines and creating textile mills to
immigrate to America. It's illegal. So Hamilton comes up with
a plan to get illegal aliens who know something about
making textile mills to bring manufacturing to the New Country.
All right, now, believe it or not, Thomas Jefferson was
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a political rival of Alexander Hamilton. Thomas Jefferson wanted to
promote ag culture based on the slave market. And so,
just like today, we have a fight going on between
the Green New Deal and Stargate. In seventeen ninety one,
it was agricultures versus the brand new concept of manufacturing.
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AI is the brand new concept today. Manufacturing was the
brand new concept in seventeen ninety one. Now, I just
gave you a brief history lesson, but I want you
to see that the fight over politics and economics, whether
it is the Green New Deal and AI today or
manufacturing versus agriculture in seventeen ninety one, the basic political
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fight and economic interests that are involved is the same subject.
Human nature does not change. And so now we've applied
history and what was going on in our government at
that time and in the formation of political parties and
things of that nature to what's going on here. So
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would you hire me for your American government and econ teacher?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Almost definitely. So here's what we're gonna do. In about
sixty seconds, we're going to a break. We're gonna go
do a two minute break. And what I'm gonna do is, like, folks,
if your brain hasn't exploded yet with all the awesome information,
I'm gonna talk a whole lot less when we come
back from the break, so you can hear more from David,
because we're going to get into things about what do,
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what do or should our political leaders do once they're
in office. And I think you're gonna love the content.
I can you hold on a few seconds and talk
to you the break, okay, awesome? And if you need
to do absolutely, if you need to do a potty break,
You've got two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And I'll talk to folks.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'm gonna run and refresh my coffee.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Copy that you su someone. Verse one, How blessed are
those who reject the advice of the wicked, don't stand
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on the way of sinners, or sit where the scoffers sit.
I love this because it's basically saying that the person
does not want to associate with wickedness in any way,
from hearing, standing near associating, nor being comfortable enough to
rest in his presence. First two says their delight is
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innatornized Torah on his tour. They meditate day and night.
In other words, they love the teachings of God, and
this is what they think about day and night. They
are like trees planted by His streams. They bear their
fruit in season, their leaves never wither. Everything they do succeeds.
First tree is basically hinting that there's life in them
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and it's not murky, stagnant water that passes by them
or fills them. It's flowing, life giving, clean water. But
verse four says, not so the wicked, who are like
chaff driven by the wind. Chaff. It's a substitute or
it looks like or an imitation of wheat that has
no substance and has no value, and it's easily manipulated.
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For this reason, the wicked won't stand up to the judgment,
nor will sinners at the gathering of the righteous. In
other words, there is no hope for those who reject
the teachings of Adenin, who reject his tora, They will
not be able to stand, even though they think that
their gods, the lord of creation, will humble them verse six.
For Adenai watches over the way of the righteous, but
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the way of the wicked is doomed. In other words,
if our goal is to reject Adenai, his teachings, his Torah,
his rule, his order, that means that we will suffer
the consequences of living in no order and complete chaos,
facing his wrath for eternity. Why because we rejected his truth,
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triggering change one heartbeat at a time, battle for freedom,
Welcome back everyone. I'm your host, Watson Prenator from Battle
for Freedom, and we're gonna jump right back into this.
I have an excellent guest who's having some wonderful things
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to share with us in an age when we need
to know about politics. Let me bring him back in
now so you guys don't hate me anymore, and I'm
gonna let him speak more. Dave David, thank you for
joining and being part of the program. One of the
other hosts on the network. He comes on Sundays at
twelve mem He's the Standard time. He has a program
called eight um Peach and as interesting as you talk
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about our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, he'll be basically
talking about these things on the Sunday twelve some Standard time,
the fourth of the fourth of July. That'll be his discussion.
His name is lep He's pretty, he's he you know what,
I think you guys would like almost get lost in
a voice.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I think you the two of you would get lost
in a void of just a basic information because he
is just like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
This huge repository.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It like he hides himself under a hat, but he's
got like the big braid and you'd love what you
have to say. But so we sit here talking about run, win,
lead and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There was this one.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh yeah yeah, here it is is a sitting here there,
look at this. We need to talk about what do
they do when they get in office? Okay, once we
elect them, what happens here?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Well, it really depends on what level of office that
one is running for. And if I can back out
a little bit from your question, I'll answer your question,
but I want to back out a little bit. We
begin with the book looking at somebody running for Congress,
but I want to make sure that everybody understands that
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there's all sorts of things from you know, being a
member of school board to a city council person, even
running for a judge. So and in fact, we have
several people who have actually been elected officials who have
written short little testimonies that we sprinkle into the book.
By the way, I should mention, the book is not
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out yet. The idea is that it's supposed to come
out early next month, in July. It'd be ideal if
it came out of July fourth. I don't have any
control over that. I'm just the writer Sarah's taking care
of all the other stuff that I don't have to
worry about. But so I'll be sure to let you
know when I know that it is available for purchase.
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It will be available on Amazon. But to answer your question,
one of the I think the key things that whatever
level of government that you are elected to is that
you need to listen to the people. I don't want
to borrow you. But there are two broad categories of
what people think elected people should do. One is to
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basically be a trustee. That is, you elected me. You
assume that I'm a good person. You assume that I
have good judgment. Uh, you don't want to be bogged
down in the weeds of all the details of everything
that I have to deal with, So trust me to
make decisions that are good on your behalf. That's what's
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called the trustee model. The delegate model is every time
I have a big vote coming up, Hey what do
my constituents think I should do? Let me ask a
bunch of people. And so now I'm subject to the
whims of whatever the popular you know, thinking is right today,
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which is based on whatever level of information the public
has and whatever the level of measure the public has
may be fat or maybe fake news, and so that's
the hard thing. So I think a good political leader
needs to have some experience to tell when they're talking
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to people and people are shooting straight with them or
blowing smoke. And so you want to therefore have people
who have had experience before they get elected to be
able to discern truth fact from fiction, and then talk
to various people and have people that you know and
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trust that you can go to, Hey, I don't know
anything about nuclear power. Who can I talk to to
make sure that I'm making a decision that affects nuclear
power that will be good, and also figuring out who
the various stakeholders are. One of the things that we
do is remember the audience is not people in your
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age group or mind. These are high school students. And
did you know that I don't know when it was,
but sometime in the past. Remember the SAT tests that
you and I studied for to take, and there was
a section on vocabulary that you had to learn what
all these words met. Somewhere along the way they got
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rid of the vocabulary section of the of the SAT tests.
People no longer have to know what words mean, and
so you have to spend time to make sure people
know what a stakeholder is. A stakeholder is a person
or a group of people that are affected by something
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that's going on. And so, for example, we've got construction
all throughout Marion County. That's the city of Indianapolis and
center of indian Indiana for those of you who don't know.
And so if you're going to have an interstate ramp
cut right through a downtown neighborhood, that's going to displace
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a lot of people living in their homes. So the
stakeholders would be the people that live in those houses
that are going to have their neighborhoods displaced. The State
of Indiana Indiana Department of Transportation, because they're managing the interstate.
You've got city elected officials, You've got all sorts of people.
You've got to figure out who are the stakeholders who
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are affected by these things. So a good politician, once
they get into office, would want to include the point
of view of everybody. Doesn't mean that I'm going to
do exactly what you tell me is good for you,
because I've got fifteen other stakeholders that also have interests
in the whole thing. And I have to try to
figure out what's in the best interest for the general
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population and to make sure that I don't totally destroy
this stakeholder group or that stakeholder group. So to answer
your question, what do you do when you get into office?
You have to be a wise person my life versus
Proverbs fifteen to two. The wise man makes knowledge acceptable. Yes,
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you don't have to like everything that I come up with,
but you're going to accept it and understand that it
is best for the entire community.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
If I suck my job, Yeah, here's is the tongue.
The tongue of the why speaks knowledge that is pleasing
and acceptable, and everything that you've been hearing you say
so far, this is. You know what's really interesting though,
when you start getting into the stakeholders and there's a
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lot of different personalities and everything like that you need
to deal with kind of like all the different person
as we have on Capitol Hill. And then yeah, as
you're going through all the stakeholders and everything like that,
there are going to be some issues that are key
to some people and key to some other individuals, and
some people are going to be willing to die on
a hill. So you have a term in leadership model
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saying going to the other side of the hill. Yes,
how does that line up against Capitol Hill, dying on
hills or the Hill Street blues?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay? So here's another thing, a blast from the past
in terms of TV land. Do you remember watching Gilligan's Island?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Okay. Now, the same people that created Gilligan's Island created
a TV show didn't last very long called It's About Time.
It was about these two astronauts who were in a
spaceship and somehow it had a Charlton Heston moment from
Planet of the Eights and went into history a million BC. Okay,
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And so they land in caveman times and there are
these cave people who are trying to figure out where
these two astronauts came from, and the astronauts say, we
can from the tribe on the other side of the hill. Now,
the astronauts they're working with coconuts and all that other stuff,
and one million BC. They want to get back to
their time, and so they're trying to explain to the
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caveman's It was a comedy based on, you know, stuff
in Gilligan's Island. So think of Gilligan's Island a million BC.
All right, but the cave people want to go with
them to the other side of the hill. And so
so the astronauts are saying, we need your help so
we can build a vehicle to go to the other
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side of the hill. So I took that metaphor in
my leadership model. So going to the other side of
the hill is I have a vision of what the
other side of the hill looks like, and I think
it's a great place, and here's all the great things
that if we do all this stuff and do it right,
we will get to the other side of the hill.
You know, Moses says to the Israelites, God is taking
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us to the promised Land. It's the other side of
the hill. And if we do what God commands and
et cetera, et cetera, then we will get to the
other side of the hill in peace and live in
a land flowing with milk and honey. Sounds good, especially
since everything else around us is desert. So Moses, let's go,
all right. So the first step is having a visionary
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leader who can say, here's what the other side of
the hill looks like, and here's where I want to
take the group. The next thing is everybody is important.
We all need to pitch in together so that we
get to the other side of the hill. Well, what's politics?
I think politics is about getting lots of people to
do little, small jobs that collectively gets us to accomplish
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something that is good for our community. And so you
probably want to say, well, what can I do? And I,
the leader, would say, here's what you can do. You
have a skill in I don't know, woodworking, so you
can help build the frame of the boat that we
need to climb aboard to get to the other side
of the hill. And so everybody, I'm going to explain
here's how what you're doing contributes to the big picture. Okay,
(38:07):
and then people come along. The third step is well
how do I do this? Well, if experience in doing
lots of different things. You ever watched Star Trek the
original series, Captain Kirk yep. Okay, anytime anybody gets sick,
gets hurt, whatever, Captain Kirk can jump in. He can
do the engineering, even though Scott he's better at it.
He can do the science stuff, even though Spock is
(38:29):
better at it. Kirk knows how to do everything, all right, Yes,
and so.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
You believe you have to have come up through the
ranks so that you've learned by doing all these things,
because you started a long time ago, and you read
my book Run When Lead, a student's guide to becoming
a political leader, and you've learned that you need to
basically walk before you can run.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
So I now, and one of the assignments is pretend
that you're going to run the campaign for a guy
running for Congress, and you need to build a campaign team.
What types of people are you going to hire to
do these various jobs, and you need to know what
those jobs entail so that you know the kind of
person that you need to hire to do them full
(39:09):
time anyway, So that's the third step. And the fourth
step is to build a vehicle that we can all
climb aboard to go to the other side of the hill. Now,
in politics, we call that a political campaign. You know,
we have an organization, we figure out the geography that
we're running in, whether it's the school board here in
the local area, or president of the United States, whatever
(39:31):
the geography is. We have to think in terms of
what kind of a vehicle we need to create in
order to get us to the other side of the hill. Now,
whether it's politics or running a business or ministry in
a church, we all need to apply that model. So
(39:53):
there you go. It's about time TV show back in
the sixties based off of the ideas of Gilligan's Island
is applied to leadership today.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You know, one of the key things in that as
I think about them having the conversation with the cave
and is that they had to figure out a way
to communicate. And you know, basically Ronald Reagan was known
as the great communicator. You have a chapter about communicating.
Do you tell them how to people how to give
speeches that aren't just for political show, but a way
(40:28):
to communicate to the people the right way. Yes.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Now, have you ever heard of an organization called Toastmasters International?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh, my goodness, I think so, But you're asking me
to go into cobwebs here.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So Toastmaster's International is an international organization. It is designed
to help people to get over the number one fear
that people say they have, which is public speaking. And
so their their model says, we're going to teach you
how to become a better listener, a better thinker, and
a better speak and we build leaders. I was in
(41:03):
toast Masters for fifteen years, one a number of trophies
for speech contests and things of that nature. And so
one of the chapters deals with learning to be a communicator,
not just in terms of giving speeches, but in writing
out your ideas and how do you communicate those. Now,
in toast Masters, if you were to join that, and
(41:26):
I'm sure that some of your listeners to this program
probably have either been in toast Masters or even now
are in toast Masters. But there are various levels that
you can progress through, and you have to give various
types of speeches. So to start out, you're going to
give your very first speech is called the icebreaker. That's
where you tell the club that you just joined a
(41:49):
little bit about yourself. Well, if you're going to run
for office, you've got to get used to telling different
audiences who you are and introducing yourself in a way
that is not overly boring and doesn't sound prideful in
things of that nature. Now, that's a tricky thing all
in its own. So the first thing that I have
(42:12):
there in terms of communication on speeches is learning to
give that introductory speech about yourself, who in the heck
am I. Another speech that you have to give in
toast masters is the persuasive excuse me to speak to inform.
Pick a topic, any topic that you're interested in, and
you're not trying to get them to pick a thing
(42:33):
of what to do. You just want to say, here's
what you need to know about, okay, and I'm going
to inform you about whatever it is. Speak to inform.
The third is the persuasive speech. So if you master
those three types of speeches, in what's called a stump
speech for a politician who has to give the same
(42:54):
speech over and over again to different audiences, you work
through that. But you also have to ask yourself when
I'm giving a speech, who's my audience? What is the
goal that I have when I speak to this audience?
If I am speaking on a topic, am I, in
their eyes a credible speaker? Maybe my opponent is more
(43:20):
credible than I am. Well, I need to acknowledge that
and find a way to say, I know that my
opponent has spent twenty years doing X. I've not been
in that industry, so why should you elect me? Well,
here's why I think that I'm worth listening to, even
though I don't have the twenty years of experience. In fact,
(43:43):
I have a couple of YouTube links to speeches that
I've given the students can hear now You might remember
since we both helped Jamie written now are running for office.
And so one of the criticisms of Jamie was that
she didn't have any political experience. Do you remember that criticism?
And so I went to the National National Federation of
(44:05):
Republican Assemblies here in Indiana, and there was a straw poll.
Curtis Hill and Jamie were the only two on the
straw pole ballot. And so I took that particular thing
head on, and I talked about her experience doing a
variety of ministry leadership as well as in California, she
(44:30):
worked to root out corruption in a particular company, and
she had had in the neighborhood of twenty years doing
those sorts of leadership things. And then I talked about
the fact that the Governor Holcombe had a billion dollar
hole in the budget with regard to medicaid and other things.
And I said, she has twenty years of good leadership,
(44:53):
she doesn't have twenty years of failed leadership. What kind
of experience do you want in a leader? And so
that was an example of how I took the what
was perceived to be a lack of experience on her
part and flipped it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Now, so when you're communicating, you have to understand what
are the objections, why do what do people find that
is lacking on my part? And find a way to
turn a weakness into a strength.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, that's good, that's good. I want to I want
to I'm gonna skip one of these because I want
to go with this. Where we are today, we're familiar
with Ronald Reagan's quote about how America is just one
generation away from losing its freedom. What hope do you
(45:51):
want to give to people? Are you aiming to give
to people who are reading when the book comes out?
What what do you aim to get them to learn
and understand?
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, let's think for just a minute about who the
audience is. It's going to buy the book. It's not
going to be a fifteen year old sophomore in high school.
It's going to be the kid's parents or the kid's grandparents.
So here, so if I can talk to the parents
and the grandparents in the audience, here's my hope for you. You
(46:22):
have life experiences that you would like to share with
your child or your grandchild, but you probably have been
reluctant to do that. Maybe the timing wasn't right. Maybe
you're asking yourself, how would my kid or my grandkid
even be interested in what happened to me when I
(46:43):
was a teenager. Okay, now you have this tool run
when Lead, which is all about at how character is
built in the lives of famous people. And I want
you to know that you are a famous person in
the minds of your kid or your grandkid. In fact,
(47:06):
if I can speak to grandparents, I'm sixty eight, I
have six grandchildren, and I like to think that they
like to spend time with me. Why because I'm going
to focus on them. But what I'm going to do
is if I go for a walk with my fourteen
year old grandson, We're going to talk about life, and
(47:29):
I'm going to ask him, so, do you have any
girls that you're interested in right now? No, Grandpa, I
don't like girls. Okay, sorry, but let me can I
tell you a story that you might find interesting? And
so I get to share stories from my life and
apply them to wherever my grandson or grand I have
one granddaughter and she's one year old, so she's not
(47:52):
quite ready for a walk yet with Grandpa. But I
have the other five grandsons and so whatever age they're at,
I can pull stories from my life and share with
them as we go for a walk. Well, now you
want to talk about what's going on in the world.
Your kid is maybe in middle school or higher and
(48:12):
you can talk about, here's what it was like back
in my day. What do you think about, whether it's
President Trump or Governor Braun, Governor of State of Indiana,
or Mayor Hogsheat, Mayor of Indianapolis. And weave in those
little stories from your life. And now you've got your
(48:34):
grandchild hooked for that moment to talk about things. And
I hope you'll find my book Run Win Lead a
tool that you can use to talk about what's been
true in your life and the lessons that you want
your grandson, granddaughter, son or daughter to learn.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, now I'm appreciative of this because of that. Again,
I've wanted to do something like this, but I just
life has just driven me in a different way. And
I guess with you, you have you have the time,
and you actually have a great group of individuals to
kind of reach, reach the young minds who are who
(49:18):
are multiple so that hopefully they can be willing to
learn and apply the principles that you're sharing. And then
as they get into to serve in whatever capacity that
they're serving. There they've got good structure of good bones.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
As there yea where they need to go.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
This isn't well. Two things we have time for this cool.
First of all, is there a way that people can
contact you? Or you have an Internet presence that people can.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yeah, my website is Why's Jargon, w I s E
jay Is and John A. R Gs and George O.
N dot com, wysjargon dot com. My email is d
lance and tz at wisjargon dot com. And if people
want my phone number, let's do this. They can contact you,
(50:09):
and if you think that they're a reasonable person, then
you feel free to hand out my phone number.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Five five one two three four. This is like the movies.
Every regular five five five right cash now.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
But I think of the easiest thing is to just
send me an email and in the subject line say hey,
I saw you on Battle for Freeman Freedom and uh
so uh going from there, that'd.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Be cool awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Also, just so you know, Walter White, who they were mentioning.
He's an actor from Breaking Bad?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Oh? Is he the guy? Is he the main guy?
And I didn't. I watched like three or four episodes
of that, and after they put the dead people in
in the r V and body bags, uh and and
try to basically destroy the bodies in the bathtub, and
(51:10):
the acid leaked, and I just gave up on it
after three or four episodes. I'm sorry. That's that's what
I remember of the show.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, so, so his only killer instincts are in educating people.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So if he is Walter White, his killer.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Instincts are educating people, not offingals are unliving them.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
Okay, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Well, see it's it's a term you have to use
online because of the fact that the other words that
could be used could get you censored. I see, no, lie,
there are a lot of words you can no longer
say with freedom any more for fear of being censored.
We're run when lead. Hopefully we're looking to see this
(52:10):
happen in the first couple of weeks, within the next
couple of weeks of July.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
But this isn't your only have you done anything else?
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I have multiple books that I've written, so nonfiction books.
One is called Think like Jesus, Lead like Moses, Leadership
Lessons from the Wilderness Crucible. Once upon a Time, I
was the head of the Indiana State Christian Coalition back
in the nineties, helping people to get elected for office
(52:40):
and doing grassroots politics in the pro family movement, and
so I use the story of Moses and leadership. And
then we've in my experiences of running the Christian Coalition
in the state of Indiana, almost going bankrupt and because
it was really hard to raise money and things of
that nature, and dealing with the political pressures and stuff,
(53:01):
but also the joys of working with people who want
to help fix the country, so to speak. Have another
book called The Unraveling of We the People. It's sort
of a history of civics education in the United States
and how it went off the rails during the Progressive movement.
And so think of the Constitution being torn in part
(53:25):
with the words we the people at the top being torn,
and so the unraveling and how do we fix that
with better civics education? And by that I don't just
mean learning history and how a bill becomes a law.
I mean about building the character of citizens in the
country so that we have good moral based on Christian
(53:48):
values in our country. And then I have several novels.
I am really interested in the time period of what's
called the Exilic period, when the Jews were taken into
exile to Babylon. So the first novel is called The
Brotherhood of the Scroll. The sequel to that is the
sort of the Scroll. And then when my grandchildren, the
(54:09):
oldest one hit about age ten, I basically created one
called The Chronicles of Belta Shazar, where I pulled stories
of Daniel out of the Brotherhood of the Scroll. And
then if you've seen The Princess Bride, where Grandpa reads
a story to his grandson who's homesick in bed, I
have Grandpa telling the story of Daniel and the Lions Dead,
(54:29):
with the grandchildren every once in a while interrupting and saying, Grandpa,
did that really happen in the Bible? You know what,
can you explain that better? And so Grandpa then gets
to share his thoughts from his life, just like I
mentioned a couple moments ago doing And so I'm trying
to find ways for all of us old people to
become relevant to our grandkids before they become teenagers and
(54:52):
don't want to talk to anybody older than twenty.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Awesome. Awesome, one would work of it. Those mentioned. Oddly enough,
Walter White was also a teacher. Just saying that's one
of the listeners said.
Speaker 5 (55:06):
Yes, I am at La Fitness. I am known simply
as the professor.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
The professor. Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, the professor is here and he's sharing information about
just trying to help us because our politics are screwed up.
And I think it's because people are lacking if the
foundation of history, truth and understanding, and they will be
able to get some learning and some edumacation as soon
as this book comes out. Everyone whysjargon dot com. This
(55:35):
is how you will be able to catch information from David.
Learn a little bit more, follow him, and make sure
keep keep unaccountable so he's not stuffing people in cars
with acid and all those other different things. Sure, sure
he's not doing that. What we'll do is this Friday,
(55:55):
we'll get into the Genesis forty nine and we'll go
from there. Everyone have an awesome day. Thanks David, be blessed,
take care and see you later. M HM.
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