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July 13, 2025 134 mins

This week, join Kate as she returns to form (2+ hour early BTI5-style rambling) by going through an old PowerPoint she found on her computer about Taylor Swift's evolution from diary-style songwriter to mythological storyteller through increasingly complex literary references. From "Love Story" fairytale princess to The Albatross and Cassandra the cursed prophet, how has Taylor deliberately written herself into literary archetypes as both artistic strategy and psychological self-defense? TLDR; a chaotic TS deep dive with a (hopefully) entertaining payoff about why our "crazy" fan behavior might actually be anthropologically normal.


Topics covered:

  • The difference between symbolic self-portraiture and literal autobiography
  • Greek gods vs. monotheistic religious figures (and why it matters for fandom behavior)
  • Guillermo del Toro's quote about Taylor's "deep interest in fable and myth"
  • Why "Mastermind" is more about childhood loneliness than strategic planning
  • "The Albatross" and the Rime of the Ancient Mariner
  • Why treating artists like gods can be dehumanizing in the name of protection
  • Finding self-acceptance and/or collective empowerment at pop concerts
  • A bathroom floor monologue about fairytales and personal authority
  • And so much more!


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