TUESDAY SHOW - 7th October 📻

*Andrew Hastie back in Canberra.

*Aussie director vs Netflix.

*Mount Everest rescue.

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Episode Transcript

S1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Ben Fordham Podcast.

S2 (00:07):
G'day there. Welcome. It's Tuesday, October 7th. Coming up on
the show today, an Aussie filmmaker decides to boycott Netflix
because of inappropriate content on the streaming service. Talks continue
in Egypt on Donald Trump's plan to end the war
in Gaza. And this on the second anniversary of the
October 7th terror attacks. The Brisbane Broncos see their share

(00:29):
price rocket after winning the NRL premiership. There's a new
proposal for young home buyers to help them into the market.
This is in the UK. Adam Gilchrist in London will
take us through that one. We also have a rally
that's being proposed for tonight in Sydney to mark the
second anniversary of the October 7th terror attack. We'll find

(00:51):
out what Chris Minns thinks of that. And a rescue
on Mount Everest. That and plenty more. The show starts now.

S1 (00:59):
This is Ben Fordham live with Sydney's best breakfast on
GB 873.

S2 (01:06):
It is October 7th. Today is an unwanted anniversary. There
are going to be lots of people hurting over the
next 24 hours as they reflect on the past two years.
Today is the second anniversary of the October 7th attacks
on Israel at the hands of Hamas terrorists. More than

(01:27):
1200 people were killed on that day. It's amazing the
numbers of people terrorized and terrified as a result of
that terror attack. More than 250 people were taken hostage.
Not all of them have been returned. There are still hostages,

(01:47):
and we don't know whether they're dead or alive. And
the Jewish community will come together today to remember the
horrors of October 7th. And to remember loved ones. There's
also a protest planned tonight by a group called stand
for Palestine, Australia. They're hosting a protest in Bankstown dubbed

(02:07):
Glory to Our Martyrs. According to the Australian Premier, Chris
Minns will not try to stop the protest from happening.
You would think that of all days you would steer
clear of hosting an event like this. We appreciate that
there are very strong views on both sides of the
Middle East conflict. But today is a day when 1200

(02:31):
people were killed and more than 250 were taken hostage.
And at the same time, there are plans for a
pro-Palestine march to the opera House this Sunday. The Palestine
Action Group has submitted a formal notice to allow that
rally to go ahead. And Jewish leaders are seeking to
fight the proposal alongside New South Wales Police. They'll be

(02:52):
in the Supreme Court today, so we'll see what happens
in the Supreme Court today. I think the group doing
this thing tonight in Bankstown, it's described as a bit
of a fringe group. The stand for Palestine Australia group,
separate from the Palestine Action Group. Even the Palestine Action
Group hasn't suggested doing anything on October 7th. But then again,
it's not going to reduce the harm and hurt to

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the Jewish community if it goes ahead this weekend at
the opera House. Our number 131873. If there's anything to
report or anything you want to share with us. A
major rescue operation is taking place on the world's highest mountain.
Around 200 people remain stranded on Mount Everest following a
serious snowstorm. Heavy snow has cut off communications and access routes.

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Rescuers are battling tough conditions and limited visibility as they
attempt to reach the stranded trekkers. Roads remain blocked. Additional
teams have been dispatched to deliver supplies, and snowfall began
on Friday night and persisted over the weekend. Families around
the world are waiting to hear news about their loved ones.

(04:00):
One woman has told the BBC her husband has been
afraid to sleep because of the heavy snow falling on
his tent. She says he's barely slept. He's afraid of
being buried if he falls into a deep sleep. Originally,
up to 1000 people were trapped on Mount Everest. The
latest reports suggest there are about 200 remaining. And after

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830 this morning, we'll catch up with Everest expert Andrew
Locke to get a sense of that rescue mission, which
continues today. An alleged gunman who terrorized Sydney's inner west
has been hit with a string of serious charges. The
60 year old, who allegedly fired between 50 and 100
shots in Croydon Park, has been identified as Art Mintz's.

(04:47):
It's understood he works for transport for New South Wales
and has two adult children. He positioned himself on a roof.
According to police, above a unit he was renting, and
started firing at people below. It's remarkable nobody was killed.
A man has undergone surgery after being hit by a bullet.
Multiple passing cars were shot at, including a New South

(05:09):
Wales Police Highway Patrol vehicle. The glass shelter of a
bus stop was smashed by gunfire about two hours after
the shooting started. Police managed to arrest the 60 year
old and according to The Daily Telegraph, Menzies has recently
gone through a marriage separation. Police are still investigating possible motives.

(05:30):
The 60 year old has been charged with 25 offences,
including 18 counts of shooting with intent to murder. He's
been refused bail and will appear in court today. And
the commissioner, Mal Lanyon, has viewed the police body worn
camera footage. He told us yesterday that footage is terrifying.
It is October 7th. We will have a tribute today

(05:53):
to the victims of the October 7th terror attacks. And
also on this day, an unexpected leader stepped up in America.
This is your only hint. Who was the unexpected leader
who stepped up in the US? The answers coming up

(06:16):
on this deity.

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S2 (06:26):
Aaron Patterson is back in the news today. The Director
of Public Prosecutions has confirmed they will appeal the sentence
handed to the convicted triple murderer. The DPP has officially
filed an application in the last 24 hours. They've done
so on the basis that Aaron Patterson's sentence of life
behind bars, with a non-parole period of 33 years, is

(06:50):
manifestly inadequate. Last week, Aaron Patterson's legal team confirmed that
they will be appealing her conviction. So they're appealing the conviction.
And so is the director of Public Prosecutions. They want
it to be tougher. Also, Andrew Hastie has refused to
rule out challenging Susan Lee for the Liberal Party leadership.

(07:12):
The Liberal MP has touched down in Canberra as Parliament
prepares to sit later today, he'll face the opposition leader
for the first time since quitting the frontbench and since
arriving in the nation's capital, he's been non-committal about going
for the top job. However, he hasn't ruled out challenging
at some point. Andrew Hastie has told journalists I'm not

(07:35):
going to get into hypotheticals. I'm just keen to be
passionate about Australia and I'm passionate about the future. I'm
passionate about young Australians and making sure they have a
say in the future of our country. He's been asked
whether he would have handled his exit from the Shadow
Cabinet any differently. In response, he's told the nightly newspaper no,

(07:57):
I'm happy with where I'm at. It's understood he's decided
to walk away from the role after a period of reflection,
and his allies within the party believe there is no
imminent challenge. And as I said yesterday, if there was
a challenge, it would almost be better for Susan Lee
because it rips the Band-Aid off and allows anyone to

(08:18):
put up their hand if they feel like they've got
the numbers. But without that, it means she's going to suffer.
Sadly for Susan Lee, a slow political demise.

S1 (08:28):
This is Ben Fordham live with Sydney's best breakfast on
two Gbx 873.

S2 (08:35):
An Aussie filmmaker says he's boycotting Netflix. He's pulling the
pin on the streaming service due to the amount of
inappropriate content available to children. Kane Guglielmi is a leading
director and filmmaker, and he's preparing to release a new documentary,
but he's taking a stand. He says he will not
be making the film available to be watched on Netflix.

(08:58):
Kane says, I cannot in good conscience be associated with this.
I don't take this decision lightly. I'm ceasing talks with
Netflix after becoming aware of the volume of politicized and
sexualized content for children, and I've noticed that Elon Musk
is leading a charge in this area to the billionaire

(09:18):
wants people to boycott Netflix, accusing them of pushing gender
ideology onto children. Kane Guglielmi, the Aussie filmmaker, is with
us right now. Kane, good morning to you.

S3 (09:30):
Good morning Ben.

S2 (09:31):
This is a big call mate because Netflix is huge.

S3 (09:35):
Well yeah. Look, if I'm honest, Ben, I did agree
to do this interview on the basis that we talk
about the film. First and foremost, I didn't want to
be a spectacle about the Netflix situation because I've had
lots of conversations with many different distributors. And yes, it's
a obviously a big decision. And it's my decision and
my decision alone. Um, I have been talking to lots

(09:56):
of different people, um, Netflix being one, um, the films
had a lot of praise from Hollywood folk. Um, and
I guess it's also had a lot of praise from
some really key conservative figures too, which has been great,
which was was very I'm very pleased about that because
my goal was to unify people. And, um, yes, some

(10:16):
recent conversations had started in the US with Netflix. Yes.
I guess after seeing and realizing, I guess for me,
just how much politicized and sexualized content there is for
kids out there, I just don't personally feel comfortable. And,
you know, I've made that decision to pull the pin

(10:36):
on further discussions. I've sent them a polite email and
told them my reasons. You know, as you can probably guess,
I didn't get a reply. But, you know, look, I'm
a very, very small fish. I'm just a number to them. And,
you know, I my film and myself mean absolutely nothing to, um,
corporation like that. And there's obviously some potentially big risks

(10:59):
and consequences that come from my career, uh, making this
sort of position, um, and particularly for the release of
this film, could very well turn others away from me,
might even affect, uh, other projects of mine, too. But, uh.

S2 (11:14):
Let me ask you about this petition, because I know
that you didn't start it, but there is an online
petition with more than 100,000 signatures calling for Netflix executives
to listen to their customers. The petition is asking the
streaming service to remove inappropriate shows from the kids catalog
and issue a public apology and implement content warnings, and
look some of the examples that have been given. The

(11:35):
Baby-Sitters club has a character shaming a hospital for misgendering
a trans boy. There's a cartoon called Jurassic World, which
is aimed at kids. It sneaks in a lesbian kiss
between teens. So these are the kinds of things that
you're against.

S3 (11:52):
Look, for me, it just comes down to if you're
going to drag children into adult conversations, that's where I
draw the line. You know, I don't want to push
my personal opinions on anyone else. What grown adults do
is entirely up to them, and I try to be
a very respectful person about people's lifestyles and choices. But
when kids get dragged into it, I'm sorry. I've got

(12:13):
two little girls of my own, and I want to
do the most that I can possibly do to protect
some level of innocence for kids as long as you
possibly can. You know, I believe you're a father to Ben.
So I mean, for me, uh, I have to. And
I guess I've come to a point in my career
after 20 years where I just. I don't feel comfortable

(12:33):
putting my career first, and.

S2 (12:36):
Yeah. Well, as a parent these days, you're constantly keeping
your fingers ready. If you're in the car and you're
listening to something, a podcast or something, or watching a show.
You've got your finger on the remote control just in
case something pops up that you don't want your kids
to hear. And it's about choice and about timing. So
your documentary is called Commonwealth. You've got 30s now to

(12:57):
give it a free plug, mate. What's the doco all about?

S3 (13:01):
Well, I mean, firstly, it's the biggest film ever made
on subjects of unity, of ineffectiveness of government, um, and
wealth inequality, the rising, uh, disparity between um, various classes
and I guess the mental health fallout from it all.
And it was shot across eight different countries. Um, you know,

(13:23):
and it came from a point of frustration in the system.
And I thought, well, what can I do? I'm one guy.
How am I supposed to be able to change things?
And I thought, well, I'm a writer and a director.
I've been working with actors and I had no intention
of making a documentary, but this, uh, seemed like a
very important subject to me. So I thought, well, why

(13:43):
don't we make an adventure around the world seeing what
plausible alternatives exist that's free from any kind of agenda?
That's just from my heart to yours. And that's what
we did. And three years later, here we are.

S2 (13:57):
Alright, well, I know a lot of work has gone
into it, and at some stage it may end up
on a streaming service. And if it does, you let
us know where people can find it and we'll send
them in that direction. Thank you so much for joining us.

S3 (14:08):
Okay. Thanks.

S2 (14:09):
Kane Guglielmi, the Aussie filmmaker, he's got this doco that's
coming out. It's called Commonwealth. But he says it won't
be shown on Netflix. He's been having conversations with him.
He's now terminated those talks. Good morning. It's Tuesday, October 7th, 2025.
Thank you very much for tuning in. This is a
bit of a worry. Thousands of aspiring teachers have failed

(14:31):
a year nine literacy test and they want to be teachers.
Almost 3000 have not passed the mandatory test Tests required
to complete a teaching degree. The exam is aimed at
15 year olds. It includes questions about how to spell
words and basic punctuation. Results from last year's test show 88%

(14:52):
of people passed. That's down from a pass rate of 93%
back in 2016. More than 1500 students had to complete
the exam more than four times. Education professionals have pointed
out an increase in international students doing teaching degrees. It's
also reported that some international students have sat the test

(15:13):
up to eight times. Australian Catholic University School of Education
Professor Colette Alexander says the increased number of international students
has possibly had an impact on the literacy scores.

S1 (15:27):
News you can trust. Opinions that matter now Ben Fordham comments.

S2 (15:35):
A new truth map has just gone live and it
shows for the first time the scale of Australia's net
zero rollout. It's a transformation that's now going to cost
$1.38 trillion. Yes, that's trillion with a t. The truth
map has been created by the conservationist and photographer Steve Nowakowski.

(15:56):
The interactive map brings together every renewable energy development either
proposed or underway across Australia. And when you zoom out,
the image is striking across the East coast. The screen
lights up with yellow and orange clusters connected by transmission
lines from far north Queensland through New South Wales down

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to Victoria and even Tasmania. It's a dense web of
development wind, solar and transmission lines stretching across farmland, ranges
and coastlines. It's a visual snapshot of the nation's push
towards net zero. And Steve Nowakowski says the truth map
empowers every Australian to see what's really happening. After decades

(16:40):
of photographing Australia's wild places, I've never seen a threat
like this, and Australians can expect the construction of wind
turbines to increase six fold. We need about 31,000 wind
towers across the country, and they'll need replacing every 15
to 20 years. On top of that, Australians can expect
up to 550 million solar panel units covering more than

(17:05):
440,000 hectares, and that's an area larger than metropolitan Sydney.
They'll need replacing every 25 years, give or take. The
truth map also highlights an estimated 28,000km of transmission lines,
longer than a full lap around the equator, there's another

(17:26):
44,000km of new roads to move the turbine components a
distance longer than Australia's coastline, and the map also includes
around 7800km of undersea cables running through marine habitats. Steve
Nowakowski says the mapping shows that these projects are in

(17:46):
places that Australians want protected. The sheer extent of the
destruction in our regions can finally be seen, he says.
All in one place and in a moment I'll tell
you where you can see this map. He says the
map is about awareness. Australians deserve to understand what's being built,
where it's being built and what it means for the
environment we all share. He says he's not trying to

(18:08):
scare anyone, he just wants transparency. And we know that
communities around Australia have been fighting back. Landowners have been
battling the bulldozers from coming onto their private property, and
there are concerns around the country about the impact on animals.
For example, in Queensland, they're warning about koala populations being threatened.
In Tasmania, they're worried about endangered birds clashing with wind turbines.

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In Western Australia, there are fears an offshore wind zone
could endanger berthing areas for whales. The online truth map
has been officially launched on World Habitat Day, and Steve
Nowakowski says he chose the date to draw attention to
a growing threat to wildlife. He says zoom in and

(18:53):
see what's coming. For too long, the full picture has
been hidden. This isn't just about economics. It's about the
kind of country we leave for future generations. And if
you want to see it for yourself, the easiest way
to find it is to go to Google right now.
You'll find the link to the truth map.

S1 (19:14):
Sydney's best breakfast two GB.

S2 (19:18):
Well, I think forever when we consider the date October 7th,
we're going to be thinking about what happened on this
day in 2023. There are going to be a lot
of people hurting in the next 24 hours as they
reflect on the past two years. Because today is, of course,
the second anniversary of the horrendous October 7th attacks on

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Israel at the hands of Hamas terrorists. And it's hard
to believe, but more than 1200 people were killed on
that day, more than 250 people taken hostage. And two
years on, it's believed that Hamas is still keeping about
48 hostages. Not all of them are alive. The Jewish

(20:02):
community will come together today to remember the horrors of
October 7th. There's also going to be a protest. And
this is happening tonight by a fringe group called stand
for Palestine, Australia. They're hosting this protest in Bankstown. It's
called Glory to Our Martyrs. And they're doing it on

(20:23):
the same day that Hamas invaded Israel, kidnapped hundreds of
people and killed more than a thousand. And at the
same time, there were also plans for a march at
the opera House. This Sunday, the Palestine Action Group has
submitted a formal notice to allow that rally to go ahead.
Jewish leaders are seeking to fight the proposal alongside New

(20:46):
South Wales Police. They want it relocated and they'll be
in the Supreme Court today. Joining us live in the studio,
the New South Wales Premier Chris Minns Premier good morning
to you.

S4 (20:56):
Good morning Ben.

S2 (20:57):
It's a tough date isn't it. It's one of those
ones a little bit like nine over 11 forever. When
we hear October 7th we're going to be thinking about
what happened.

S4 (21:04):
Yeah. It was a brutal terrorist attack. And the images
that were broadcast around the world in the minutes after
people were children, young people were taken hostages. Just horrifying.
I think that they'll be indelibly etched in their communities
right around the world, particularly the Jewish community here in
New South Wales. I know a lot of people who've
said that they had loved ones, family, friends from those

(21:26):
different parts of southern Israel. They'll be particularly hurting today.
And to think that there are still hostages that have
been living in complete hell for the last two years
is genuinely horrifying. I think everyone wants an end to this,
but certainly that involves the hostages being returned to their families.

S2 (21:41):
To a degree, this has consumed a lot of your
time as premier.

S4 (21:45):
Look, to an extent. I mean, um, people have got
views on it and there's been protests over the last
two years, but I think we've just got to keep
a really steady and clear position here. And that is
that there's no place for hate speech in a place
like New South Wales, that yes, people have got a
right to demonstrate, but they don't have a right to, um,
you know, disrupt large sections of the community and that

(22:07):
police have got a responsibility to keep us safe. And
when they believe they have to act to keep the
public safe, they will.

S2 (22:13):
Do you have any regrets about lighting up the sails
of the opera house in the colours of the Israeli
flag two years ago?

S4 (22:19):
Not one. I'd do it again. And I realize that
that might be antagonistic to some people that don't support it.
But unfortunately, I think we needed to send a clear
message that we can never stand for or endorse terrorism,
and that it's bad no matter where it happens and
no matter who it happens to. And face a situation
where the Empire State Building, the arc de Triomphe, Big Ben,

(22:42):
all of them were lit up in the colors of Israel.
But for some reason, here in Australia, we didn't share
the grief and the suffering for the communities here. I
think that would have been an appalling message to send.

S2 (22:51):
Premier, how do you feel about the timing of this
rally planned tonight to mark two years since the Hamas
October 7th attacks, the stand for Palestine group asking people
to gather in Bankstown to honour what they call resistance
to Israel. This is on the same date that 250
people were taken hostage, that 1200 people were slaughtered, including,

(23:15):
as you point out, little kids.

S4 (23:17):
Terrible, terrible timing, shockingly insensitive. And for a lot of
these groups, there's an old saying they never miss an
opportunity to miss an opportunity. We understand that there's concern
about innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza, but to do it
on this day, on the seventh seems like they're glorifying
the actions of these Hamas terrorists and not the circumstances

(23:39):
of those that are living in Gaza. And, I mean,
I think it should be noted that the big Islamic
Muslim organizations in New South Wales are not endorsing this rally.
Best of my knowledge, they're not attending. They've got their
own services that they'll take. That'll take place at about
the broader military political situation. And I think that should
be noted, but I. It's awful that it's taking place.

(23:59):
I think it says a lot about the people who
are organising it.

S2 (24:02):
What would you say to anyone who's being bombarded with
these ads at the moment? Because they're pushing them out
on social media, and of course, they're using the Israeli
defence response in Gaza as a way of galvanizing support.
But they're separate issues. You've got the Israeli response. And
of course, we've even got the US president, Donald Trump,
saying to Israel, as part of this peace deal he's

(24:23):
trying to put together, you've got to stop the bombing.
But that is separate to what happened on this day
two years ago. What would you say to anyone who's
being encouraged to attend tonight?

S4 (24:31):
Well, look, what I would say is that the best
indication that there is a response to the military circumstances
into Gaza is to use one of the other 364
days of the year. I mean, surely just this one
day we can acknowledge that it was an appalling act
by Hamas on the people of Israel and that it

(24:52):
should never be condoned or endorsed. And the fact that
they've chosen this day, it must go ahead. There's no
there's no alternative. I think that speaks to the people
who've organised it.

S2 (25:01):
At the same time, tensions are rising over a planned
march at the Sydney Opera House this Sunday. The Palestine
Action Group says they expect 10,000 people to attend. Jewish
leaders and police are seeking to block the march in
the Supreme Court today. How do you feel about what's
planned for Sunday?

S4 (25:16):
Look, I backed the police here. They've made a decision
based on community safety. It's an incredibly narrow peninsula, as
everybody knows that four quarter of the opera house, and
they've got a responsibility to keep the public safe. And
when things go bad, when these big public protests go bad,
either there's community safety issues or there's naked hate speech,
the police get the blame. Well, they're saying it nice

(25:38):
and early. They're in the court today. They're suggesting to
the campaign organizers, can't you choose another street? Can't you
choose another part of Sydney will facilitate the march, but
stay away from that for a whole range of reasons.
I'm hoping common sense prevails here. I'm also conscious of
the fact that the organisers seem to use the notoriety
and attention associated with comments from people like me to

(26:00):
drive attendance and say that they're being, uh, free speech
is being stopped in a place like Sydney. But I
back the police here. They've made a common sense decision
to keep Sydney safe.

S2 (26:11):
But once again, we're in the hands of the courts, right?
It's going to be a judge that decides whether it
goes ahead or not.

S4 (26:16):
Yeah. That's true. Um, but, you know, I've said this
a few times, and it's the case today. We've moved
significant changes to hate speech laws in New South Wales,
and we've done it because we recognise we live in
a multicultural community. And yes, you've got a right to
freedom of speech, but someone else has a right not
to be vilified or hated on the basis of their
race or religion. All of those laws are currently being

(26:38):
challenged in the High Court because of the implied freedom
of political communication. So I realise some people would say,
just ban protest, just just move a bill and knock
it off this afternoon. That's subject to a High Court
challenge quicker than you can look at it. And I
want to make sure that we're not back to square one,
where these protests are able to go ahead without any
kind of regulation or oversight.

S2 (26:59):
We'll see what unfolds in the Supreme Court today. Chris
Minns is with us, the New South Wales Premier. We
spoke last time you were in the studio about the
youth crime crisis, and you told us you don't want
to follow Queensland's lead and implement adult crime adult time,
but we continue to hear these horror stories. I just
want to share with you this latest one. This is
just one of hundreds, but this is over the weekend

(27:21):
in Walgett, a mum takes her two young kids to
the local swimming pool. And as they're making their way
to the car park premiere, there is a teenager standing
in the car park with a machete. And the 17
year old offender demands she hands over the car keys.
The teenager was later caught, but this all happened in
front of a two year old and a four year old.

(27:42):
And yesterday I spoke to Anthony Doyle, the director of
planning and community at Walgett Shire Council. It goes for
about 30s or so. I just want you to listen
really carefully to what Anthony Doyle has had to say.

S5 (27:54):
What the community are telling me is we've still got
offenders out there in the community. They're all on bail.
They've been on bail multiple times, but they're consistently sent
back to the environment where the offences started. The processes
and the systems in place just do not work at
a data set point. They might be okay across the board,

(28:15):
but they don't work for small communities and allowing Boys
to run wild for 8 to 12 years before we can.
The justice system can do anything with them is a
prolonged problem, which is going to result in the breakdown
of society.

S2 (28:31):
Strong words from Anthony Doyle from Walgett Shire Council. And
I know that you last time came armed with all
sorts of data to show. No, we're making improvements in
this area and that area. And and you also said, look,
I'm not doing a victory lap, but I reckon he's
got a very good point here that if you allow
young boys to run wild during those years where they
feel like they're untouchable, what are you expecting to happen, Premier?

S4 (28:54):
Well, look, a couple of things I would say about
that is the government has shown over the last two
years that we don't just dismiss comments, particularly from regional
community leaders, about the circumstances on the ground. I mean,
I've been in this studio and spoken to some of
your listeners, and it's resulted in changes to the introduction
of Jack's Law 22 C in relation to bail offences.

(29:16):
We've doubled the penalties for knives. Lives. We've we've stopped
young people from buying knives in. Retail outlets across New
South Wales. Post and post law changes now in the
last two years, the population of young offenders in New
South Wales, juvenile justice has risen by 34%. Now that's
not a figure I'm proud of. We would prefer people

(29:36):
not commit the offences in the first place, but I
want to make it clear that if we believe it's
in everybody's interest, including the offender, the young person, to
be in the care of the state so that there's
not a cycle of repeat violence. And that's what we'll do. Now.
I don't want to cherry pick statistics. Generally speaking, there's
been a 11, 10 or 11% drop in property crime

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in the last 12 months for young offenders, particularly in
regional New South Wales. But it's from a higher base.
It's it's from a high base.

S2 (30:05):
And so we get a pretty good sense here of,
of when you're on the right track with something and
when you're not. And I can tell you on this
one you are losing the dressing room.

S4 (30:14):
Well I mean, well hang on, I've just explained where
we've intervened to change the law.

S2 (30:20):
No I know.

S4 (30:21):
And so, I mean, I would understand if.

S2 (30:23):
You were.

S4 (30:23):
Saying you've not listened to anybody.

S2 (30:25):
Tick, tick. Jack's law and all those other changes. You
can have those ticks. I'm just saying to you that
when it comes to adult crime, adult time, I think
your ears need to be open on adult crime time.

S4 (30:35):
We do have that in New South Wales. I mean,
for offences, there are adult time, adult crime, particularly for
sexual assault, murder, manslaughter, serious offences in New South Wales
which have been replicated in Queensland. So I don't want
to I don't want to leave the impression that they're
not on the statute books. They are, they are on
the statute books. I also want to make what I
think is a pretty reasonable point, that the juvenile justice

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prison population has risen as a result of Labor's changes.
I don't think you're going to have a material difference
in the lived experience of people in regional New South Wales.
For some of the police that we're graduating through Goulburn
to get to regional communities and a little bit more
time for some of these law changes. Added to which,
and I've spoken to you. Speak to any New South
Wales General Duties police officer, and they'll tell you the

(31:19):
Doli incapax system for those under the age of 14
is not working. And that's our next area of major
law reform.

S2 (31:26):
So it's not like you're saying we've done everything.

S4 (31:29):
You're definitely not saying.

S2 (31:30):
There's a lot more to.

S4 (31:31):
Do. I'm definitely not saying that I don't believe that's
the case. I think it was largely left unchecked for
ten years, but it's going to take a bit of
time to turn it around.

S2 (31:39):
What do you want to say to the police officers
involved in the Croydon Park active shooter situation that unfolded
on Sunday night?

S4 (31:45):
Some of the most courageous young people I've met. Unbelievable.
I mean, I think that this situation could have been
so much worse. And yet some police officers who were there,
all the police officers who were there, some of whom
had only just been out of the Goulburn Academy, stood,
stayed in their ground, kept the community safe and as
a result, I've got no doubt saved scores of lives.

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I mean, you had an active shooter with a high
powered rifle shooting cars on a major road. It's incredible
that lives weren't lost. And that's down to the men
and women of the New South Wales Police Force.

S2 (32:18):
What's on the agenda today? Just briefly.

S4 (32:20):
Uh, today I'm headed to Albury.

S2 (32:23):
What's happening in Albury?

S4 (32:24):
Uh, seeing the local community, talking to healthcare professionals and
also speaking to New South Wales Police.

S2 (32:30):
And I believe catching up with our mate Reverend Bill
crews later this week as well, which will tell people
about as the week progresses. Thanks so much for your time.
We'll talk to you soon.

S4 (32:37):
Thanks, Ben.

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S2 (32:46):
This is extraordinary. The Sydney rental market has officially entered
Hunger Games territory. A new video has surfaced showing more
than 70 people lining up to see one rental unit.
It's a two bedroom unit in Bronte with no parking,
and it's priced at 800 bucks a week. And there's
another video showing a similar scene from the recent weekend.

(33:09):
The queue goes down the stairs, out onto the street
and around a corner, and there are people jumping in
the line. As the video is being filmed so God
knows how long it goes. Alana Renee is an American
living in Australia. The challenge to find a place she
says has left her in tears, she's told news.com.au. I'm

(33:32):
at the point in my life where I'm done with
share houses and sharing with other people, but when you
have a budget of $600 max, there's nothing good or
worth your money. And Sydney has the highest median rental
rate in the country. A one bedroom in Sydney now
costs an eye watering $720 to $750 per week.

S1 (33:59):
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S6 (34:01):
Two GB.

S2 (34:03):
Coming up after 8:00. We've come across a business owner
who's allegedly giving staff the runaround. We received a message
from Janine who says I listen to your program? And
I worked for a company called Blink Property. And I
want to talk to you about unpaid superannuation. At present,
they owe me approximately $14,000. And I was diagnosed with

(34:26):
breast cancer last year. I would hate to die and
let them off the hook. Now the company involved is
denying some of these allegations. Blink property. But we will
talk to Janine and possibly others after 8:00 this morning
on the interview with Chris Minns and the October 7th protest.
Let's have a read of your messages. Harry says the
premier's weak on this issue. Sunday's protest should not be permitted,

(34:50):
given the possibility of peace in Gaza is very close
and a release of the hostages potentially imminent. Well, he
doesn't want it to go ahead either, but it's up
to the courts today in the Supreme Court to decide.
Clem says Sydney has no place for hate speech. Seriously.
Sydney is a hotbed of hate speech. It has been
since October 7th, 2023. Stephen says more clear messaging would

(35:13):
have stopped the Sydney Opera House protest from happening. Dave
says enough is enough, Chris. You're the premier. Do something. Please,
Bob says. Chris Minns allowed the precedent to be set
at the opera house. Give them an inch and they'll
take a mile, Bruce says. Why don't you act, Chris Minns?
You've got the gift of the gab. All talk and
no action. Well, I can appreciate the frustration, but I'll

(35:36):
just say what I was saying when the Premier was here.
It's not the Premier who decides these things in the end,
which must be frustrating when you've worked so hard to
get to the position that he's in, and then you
can make a decision like he did with the Sydney
Harbour Bridge march, where he said, no, not going to happen.
And then the organisers go to the courts and the

(35:56):
courts say, yes, it is happening. So it's not up
to Chris Minns to decide whether or not it goes ahead.
On Sunday, it will be up to the Supreme Court
and they'll be considering that matter today on youth crime.
As I said to the Premier, he has made some
inroads when it comes to crime in New South Wales.
But the overwhelming feedback I'm getting from regional New South

(36:18):
Wales is that he's losing the dressing room and I
was saying to him on the way out of the studio,
this doesn't happen where you live in Kogarah, it doesn't
happen where I live either, that you take your kids
to the public pool on a hot day, and there's
a 17 year old waiting in the car park with
a machete. These are unusual circumstances facing predominantly people in

(36:39):
the bush, Joe says. What's the Premier doing about improving
the circumstances of the children committing these crimes? Andrew says
Chris Minns just said, we have to wait a little
bit longer. He has no understanding that the people in
these rural areas are living in fear. Gus says Chris
Minns is all talk and no action. He could make
a bigger difference if he wanted to. Jeff says, Premier,

(37:02):
if you don't fix youth crime, then give us the
right to defend ourselves with pepper spray. So plenty of
your messages coming through and I appreciate all of them.

S1 (37:12):
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S2 (37:19):
Tony Burke has been exposed again because despite his denials
to the two GB breakfast show, some of the Islamic
State brides have now arrived in Australia. The same ISIS
brides I messaged him about just a month ago on
the 28th of August. I said, Hey Tony, would you
be available to chat about this story tomorrow? This email

(37:40):
has just been sent to the department. Hope you're well.
Ben Fordham. The email was from the GB breakfast show
to the Department of Home Affairs. It related to our
understanding that Islamic State brides and children were coming to Australia.
Within five minutes of my text message being sent, I
received a call from the minister's spin doctor, Peter Green,
and that was the moment they had an opportunity to

(38:01):
display transparency on the issue. Instead, they tried to hide
the truth. Tony Burke said the story was not true.
Anthony Albanese said the story was not accurate. Are they
telling us that they did not know that this was happening?
Because here's the latest headline. ISIS brides smuggle themselves out

(38:22):
of Syria and return to Australia. This is by Carly
Douglas in the Herald Sun. Six people, including so-called ISIS brides,
have smuggled themselves out of Syria and returned to Australia.
The group recently arrived in Beirut, where they were detained
by Lebanese authorities because they did not have valid visas
or legitimate entry records. After being processed by Lebanese agencies,

(38:45):
and comprehensive security checks and DNA testing by Australian agencies.
They were issued passports as any Australian citizen is entitled
to if they meet eligibility requirements. The group is now
believed to have recently returned to Australian shores. Now remember,
just a month ago when we first started asking questions,

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Tony Burke said the story was not true. Anthony Albanese
said it was not accurate. And here's the question the
PM was asked by the Liberal MP, Andrew Hastie.

S7 (39:18):
Is the Prime Minister aware of any info that suggests
ISIS brides are seeking to return to Australia? And is
your government making preparations to receive them?

S8 (39:27):
The call to the Prime Minister.

S9 (39:28):
I refer to my previous answer.

S2 (39:30):
And the previous answer, of course, was the Prime Minister
saying the story is not accurate. And here's the part
that I struggle to understand. When I sent that text
message to Tony Burke, the minister knew at that point
the cat was out of the bag. That's the point
when a politician knows it's only a matter of time
until this news becomes public. You may as well be

(39:52):
honest and upfront about what you know. And here's a
perfect example of that approach. This is what happened when
the Assistant Police commissioner, Dave Hudson, was put on the
issue about exactly the same topic. ISIS brides, he said yes.
Police will be involved.

S10 (40:10):
We are still working through that issue with the Commonwealth.
The roles have yet to be finalised between what New
South Wales government, including the New South Wales Police Force
and the Commonwealth's roles, will be. No doubt we will
have a role.

S2 (40:23):
So Dave Hudson had no trouble telling the truth. He
was confronted with a choice do I lie or do
I tell the truth? He told the truth. It's a
shame the Prime Minister and the Minister for Home Affairs
didn't display the same honesty. The ISIS brides were coming
and they knew it. Of course they knew it. And
instead of fronting up and owning it, they gave a

(40:44):
dodgy response and treated us like gullible morons. And that's
how it feels. And by the way, the Herald Sun
reports the Australian government and its security agencies had been
monitoring the women and children in Syria for some time.
And if they want us to believe they genuinely didn't
know they were coming, well, that's an even bigger worry

(41:06):
because police knew in New South Wales two GB breakfast
was asking questions. Then Liam Mendez put it on the
front page of the Australian. Karly Douglas at the Herald
Sun has now confirmed they've arrived. I mean, it would
be embarrassing if all of these people knew what was
going on. While Anthony Albanese and Tony Burke were in
the dark, that would be an even bigger worry.

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S2 (41:37):
Her rescue mission is taking place on the world's highest mountain.
About 200 people remain stranded on Mount Everest following a
serious snowstorm. We wanted to check in with Andrew Locke,
the expert climber and owner of Andrew Locke Adventures, because
he knows all about this part of the world. Andrew.
Good morning.

S11 (41:55):
Good day.

S2 (41:55):
Ben, how worried do we have to be?

S11 (41:58):
Oh, not very, I don't think, um, to the best
of my knowledge, from what I've read, this, uh, storm
affected trekkers who were travelling about in the valleys below
Mount Everest. Uh, around the the 16,000ft of 4000 meter
sort of elevation, um, which is well below the base

(42:19):
camp of the mountain. So, um, climbers on the mountain,
when they have big storms like this can hunker down
for a few days, let the avalanches clear, and then
continue with the climb. But trekkers, when they're out in
the open in those valleys, yeah, they can get caught out,
get a bit of, uh, exposure issues. And, uh, there
could be some avalanche potential if they're trekking in a

(42:42):
hilly environment. But for the most part, as I understand it,
most of the trekkers have been able to get out. And, uh,
the last few probably waiting for for some help to
just to, you know, forge a path through the snow
so they can walk out again.

S2 (42:55):
Yeah. The signs seem to be positive because originally up
to a 1000 people were trapped on Mount Everest. Now
it's down to 200. So you would guess it's only
a matter of time until they get them out and
get them to safety.

S11 (43:06):
Yeah, yeah. And and really, it's just about opening up
the trails again so they can walk out. And as
I say, they're not climbing on the mountain. To the
best of my knowledge, they're, uh, they're trekking in the
foothills below the mountain, which is obviously far less dangerous.

S2 (43:20):
Yeah. There are family members who sound extremely worried. And
you would be if you're a wife or a husband
or a son or a daughter or mother or father
of someone who's there. But that's good to hear that
indication from you. Um, we appreciate you jumping on the line.
Really appreciate it. Thanks so much.

S5 (43:36):
Sure.

S2 (43:36):
Andrew Locke, the climber and owner of Andrew Locke Adventures.
He says everyone should be okay. So they've got additional
teams being dispatched to deliver supplies, but they've also got
roads blocked. So that's complicated things. But the numbers speak
for themselves. There are a thousand people stranded now. There's 200.
It means already 800 have been taken to safety.

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Western Sydney University. They're dealing with an issue right now,
and we've been in contact with them to make them
aware of this. And they know all about it because
we received this. My wife received an email late last night,
which appeared to be from Western Sydney University. She's been
a teacher for over ten years and was obviously concerned
until I told her it might be a scam, even
though it looks legit, particularly because it has the student

(44:26):
number in the email. Further searching online appears to show
numerous current and previous students of the university have received
the same email. The concern is one person posted that
they were contemplating harming themselves. They came across other people's
posts then stating this must be a scam. So what
does it say? Enrollment and awards revoked. Dear such and such.

(44:52):
We regret to inform you that following a thorough review,
the decision has been made to permanently exclude you from
any further study at Western Sydney University. As a result,
any existing certificates or awards previously issued to you are
hereby revoked. This action has been taken in accordance with
the Western Sydney University Act of 1997 bylaw 2017, and

(45:16):
it goes on from there. So we've now contacted the university.
They say Western Sydney University is aware of fraudulent emails
sent to students and graduates, with some falsely claiming that
they have been excluded from the university or that their
qualifications have been revoked. These emails are not legitimate. They

(45:37):
were not issued by the university. We're reaching out to
inform people that the email is fraudulent. We have informed
New South Wales Police as part of an ongoing police investigation.
We're unable to provide any further comment at this time.
We sincerely apologise for any concern that this may have caused.
So there's confirmation you're hearing about this here first. If

(45:58):
you're receiving a message from Western Sydney University claiming that
enrollment and awards have been revoked, it's fake news.

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S2 (46:15):
We've come across a business owner who is allegedly giving
staff the runaround. It all started with an interesting email
in the inbox. It's from Janine. I listened to your
program and believe you guys fight for everyday people along
with a few of my friends. I worked at a
company known as Blink Property, owned by Nathan Birch. He
also owns Be Invested, which assists people to buy investment properties.

(46:39):
The issue I'm writing to you about is unpaid superannuation. Personally,
I worked there for three and a half years. I'm
coming up to my 70th birthday. I was diagnosed with
breast cancer last year. At present they owe me approximately $14,000.
I would hate to die and let them off the hook.
This man boasts about owning over 200 properties. People need

(47:02):
to know the type of person they're dealing with. My
co-workers are also fighting for their own entitlements, so we'll
talk to Janine in just a moment. To GB, breakfast
is aware of other workers who've had struggles getting their
super from Nathan Birch. At least two of them say
they are still owed money. Nathan Birch is denying that

(47:22):
he goes anyone, anything? We've invited him on the show,
but he has declined to appear. Joining us now is Janine. Janine,
good morning to you.

S12 (47:32):
Good morning Ben, how are you?

S2 (47:33):
I'm doing okay. I'm sorry to hear that. You've been
battling breast cancer.

S12 (47:39):
Are the results so far? I'm in the clear at
the moment, so just keeping my fingers crossed. But it
was stressful at the time, and fighting for my super
didn't sort of, um, help the matter at all.

S2 (47:52):
My heart broke for you when I read that line.
I would hate to die and let him off the hook.

S12 (47:57):
Yes. Um, I just I don't think it's right. I
don't think it's fair. There's there's quite a few of us, um,
that are in the same boat, and I just don't
get why people can just get away with this.

S2 (48:12):
Have you been communicating with the company to say, where's
my money?

S12 (48:17):
I have, on numerous occasions. Um, nine times out of ten,
they just ignore my emails. So I sent one off again,
probably about two weeks ago. They had indicated that they
would pay money in at the end of April to
the ATO. I've spoken to the ATO. Nothing has gone

(48:39):
in for me.

S2 (48:40):
How long have you been fighting for your superannuation?

S12 (48:43):
Uh, pretty much from when I started with the company I.
Years and years ago. Worked for another company that didn't
pay super. So I've always been very aware of getting
my super. So a couple of months after I started,
I started investigating and found that they hadn't been paying it.

(49:04):
So they paid bits and pieces over the time, but
not regular payments like they're meant to have done.

S2 (49:12):
Okay. But Nathan Birch has quite a presence online. He
boasts about owning many, many properties, and he even speaks
online about offering people help with their superannuation.

S13 (49:24):
If you need help on sort of working out a
plan for your super fund, reach out to my team. Um,
as I said, none of this is financial advice. Um,
I'll throw those disclaimers in there. But really it is.
It's important that you speak to someone that's understands super.

S2 (49:40):
So this is a man who gives advice, but you're
saying he doesn't follow his own advice when it comes
to paying superannuation?

S12 (49:46):
Correct. It used to be laughable when we would have
meetings and he would be promoting investor super. And I
used to think, sit there thinking you're just a joke.
You don't pay the super. How can anyone invest their super?

S2 (50:05):
What do you think about the fact that he's told
us off air that he owes no one anything?

S12 (50:11):
Well, look, without going into too much detail, he owes
a lot of people a lot of money. Um, I
don't want to mention names because I don't want him
suing me. But, you know, look, if you investigate further,
you will find that there's a lot of, uh, people
that money is owed to. Including the ATO themselves.

S2 (50:34):
Alright, well, look, we'll leave the chat there with you
for now, and we hope that you're okay and we're
going to be chasing up your superannuation for you.

S12 (50:41):
Thank you Ben, I appreciate it. And I love your show.

S2 (50:44):
My thanks. And thank you very much for writing to us.
There's Janine. I want to bring in Philippa now. Philippa
also worked for blink property. Hi, Philippa.

S14 (50:52):
Hi, Ben. How are you?

S2 (50:54):
Good. How was your time at blink property?

S14 (50:57):
Um, well, very similar, um, to Janine. Like, I worked
there over an 18 month period and became aware that, um,
I wasn't being paid probably within the first six months
of working there. Um, and so I had a look
and then I was quite shocked that I hadn't been
paying because I've never, ever worked for an employer that
did not pay. Super.

S2 (51:17):
I've got a copy here of emails that you sent.
Can I please get an update as to what's happening
with my super payments? Hi Philippa, I'll chase this up
with a relevant team and get back to you with
a progress update. Kind regards, Scott Birch, the human resources
manager is Scott Birch. Any relation to Nathan Birch?

S14 (51:34):
Uh, yeah, that's his brother.

S2 (51:36):
Right. So his brother's the HR manager?

S14 (51:39):
Um, I don't know if he is at present. He
was then. So he was the HR manager for a
short period of time.

S2 (51:45):
And you're aware of others who have spent a long
time chasing outstanding superannuation.

S14 (51:51):
Ah yes, there are many, many people.

S2 (51:54):
I've got another person who's told us off air that
they're owed $12,000. What do you owed?

S14 (51:59):
Um, I'm about $8,700.

S2 (52:03):
What would you like to say to Nathan Birch?

S14 (52:05):
So I just think have a bit of integrity and,
you know, pay your previous staff members what they have been,
what they're owed with their super. I mean, they're single mums. There's, there's, there's,
there's women that have had to go through, you know,
that had once had a brain tumour. Like what Janine said.
She's going through breast cancer when there are women in
their retirement age, when they could access their super. But

(52:27):
they're owed a lot of money from him for his super.
So I think it's really unethical and just total lack
of integrity on his part.

S2 (52:35):
Does Nathan Birch have a podcast as well called no
BS with Birch?

S14 (52:40):
Yes.

S2 (52:42):
No BS.

S14 (52:44):
Yes, yes.

S2 (52:47):
All right. Well, we're trying to get him to come
on the air and take some responsibility. How do you
rate our chances?

S14 (52:52):
Very, very slim. I doubt he will. He'll say he'll
come on the show and say and speak to you
at all.

S2 (52:58):
Okay, leave it with me. Thank you very much for
jumping on the line.

S14 (53:02):
No. Thank you so much, Ben, for your help.

S2 (53:04):
Good on you. There's Philippa. I've got another note here.
I won't read the person's name. I'm reaching out to
formally request the immediate payment of my outstanding superannuation. So,
Nathan Birch, are you going to front up and answer
some questions? Because you like to boast online about how
successful you are, so much so that you give other
people advice on investments and superannuation, but you stand accused

(53:27):
right now of failing to pay your workers. Super. And yes,
we acknowledge that you're denying the allegations, but I've got
a ton of names and emails and other documents in
front of me that tell a different story.

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S6 (53:43):
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S2 (53:45):
And blink property in Nathan Birch are claiming they finalised
all outstanding super payments with interest. They've told employees that
they have forwarded outstanding payments to the ATO for payment
to the employees super funds. They say this is according
to legal requirements and ATO instructions. It's also worth noting
a legal letter that we've received from lawyers acting on

(54:07):
behalf of Nathan Birch. They say the allegations are false
and blink has paid the individual superannuation entitlements in full.
Blink acknowledges it had failed to pay Janine's superannuation on time. However,
it maintains it has paid superannuation entitlements in full. If
you've had dealings with Blink Property or Nathan Birch, we'd

(54:28):
love to hear from you.

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There is a funeral link scam doing the rounds. Apparently
we were warned about this earlier this year. I don't
remember being warned about it earlier this year, but they're
back and they're targeting people again. So I'll give you
the details on that. Coming up, there's a warning that's
been issued by the New South Wales government. Also, what
would you guess would be the most expensive bacon and

(54:59):
egg roll in Sydney if you were to have a guess?
I mean, what would you be prepared to pay for
a bacon and egg roll? And at what point would
you say, hang on a moment? That's too much, because
someone reckons they've found the most expensive bacon and egg
roll in Sydney. I'm not sure that it's going to
win the title. I reckon there'll be someone out there
in some of those ritzy suburbs charging even more. So

(55:21):
you tell me, how much would be too much for
a bacon and egg roll?

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S2 (55:37):
It is October 7th, the second anniversary of the horrific
terror attacks on Israel by Hamas. And it's probably timely
for us to check in with the US correspondent Harley
Carnes to find out how President Donald Trump's peace plan
is going. Harley. Good morning.

S15 (55:57):
Good morning Ben. Yeah. Well, Trump says that he his
information because he's not at these talks is that it's
going very well and he wants them to move quickly. Um,
it's interesting because what's going on in Egypt and the
go betweens are not are not him. Um, so he
wants momentum. He wants pace. You can tell that's why

(56:18):
he's pushing right now. Because he wants to see things done. Uh,
but it's probably going to take a few days longer
than he wants, for sure. Hamas does not want us
to disarm. It wants some guarantees, and it can't get
all the guarantees that it wants. That little puppy in
the back, in the back ground knows that there's somebody

(56:38):
at the door that is, that's an alarm clock. If
somebody comes to the door, she barks. Uh, other than that,
she almost never barks anyway. Hamas, uh, says, look, we
don't want to disarm. And that's a key part of it.
Trump has already said. Not not disarming is a non-starter.
So they say Hamas is saying we want Israel to withdraw.

(57:00):
Withdraw from Gaza first, and we want a Palestinian state
created first. Then we'll talk about disarming Israel. Like Trump
is saying, no, you lost. So lay down your weapons
and embrace peace.

S2 (57:13):
They're never going to disarm. Harley, it's never, ever, ever
going to happen. We know that, right?

S15 (57:19):
Well, we know that even if they say they will secretly,
they'll rearm.

S16 (57:23):
They won't. Correct.

S2 (57:25):
Yeah, I think that's pie in the sky stuff now.
Tell me about the lady who's trying to break her
own record.

S15 (57:31):
Well, she's a fourth grade teacher named Carrie Sudecki. Um, she, uh,
loves to dance. It used to be a fat chick.
Said so. Said, as a matter of fact, she started
dancing when a man told her she was fat and
had no moves and it broke her heart. I guess
it upset her a bit and she decided. And because
she was overweight, she says, I'm going to start dancing.

(57:53):
And she liked to dance. So she did and lost
about 70 odd pounds. So now she dances to the
video game, just dances. She is a world record holder
for different world records, but the big one was 138
hours 34 seconds of non-stop.

S16 (58:09):
What?

S15 (58:09):
Well, they do give you a little breaks. 138 hours. Yeah. Uh,
ten years later, she says she's planning to break that
record because she got into an accident of some sort
and laid her up for a couple of years. And, um,
and during those two years, she gained £70. So she
started dancing again. She's down £45 and dropping. She's done

(58:32):
two 120 hour marathon Dances just for practice. That's five
days of continuous dancing just to get back into the
rhythm of it all. So we'll see. Break 138 hours. Yeah.
What's 18 hours after you practice for 120? It's like
a marathon on the ground, you know.

S16 (58:52):
Well, it's good for.

S2 (58:53):
Health by the sounds of things, Harley. We'll see how
she goes. And thanks so much.

S15 (58:58):
All right. Thanks a lot. I'll see.

S16 (58:59):
You.

S2 (58:59):
Harley. On the line from the United States. So she's
trying to break her own Just Dance record 138 hours
and 34 seconds.

S1 (59:08):
Bringing you the best at breakfast. This is Ben Fordham,
live on Sydney's two GB 131873.

S2 (59:17):
The open line number. We'll check in with our Moneyman
Peter Switzer in just a moment or so. I'll also
share details on this warning from the New South Wales
Government about funeral scams. But first, Sydney's most expensive bacon
and egg roll. Ruth says I wouldn't pay more than $10.
Colleen says I pay $15 for a really good one

(59:38):
near me. Uh, Alfio says I go to the Moxon
Cafe in Punchbowl. They charge six bucks for their bacon
and egg rolls. Well, the Lane Cove National Park Cafe
is charging $17.50 for a bacon and egg roll. In
an online post, one of their customers says, can anyone

(59:59):
find a place that beats this price for a bacon
and egg roll? Others have labelled the price ridiculous. Another
says insane. And it's not just the bacon and egg
rolls that are copping the heat at the Lane Cove
National Park Cafe. They're selling a large serving of hot
chips for $20, and the garden salad is 27 bucks.

(01:00:25):
Some have sympathized with the cafe. They suggest that the
high rents and power prices could be to blame for
the high prices. But I'll tell you what. If the
garden salad is going to cost you $27, all of
a sudden the $17.50 bacon and egg roll doesn't seem
so bad.

S17 (01:00:43):
Money, money, money.

S1 (01:00:46):
You're listening to Sydney's best breakfast. Ben Fordham live. And
now the business report.

S2 (01:00:52):
Although I reckon there'll be some parts of Sydney where
people pay even more for a bacon and egg roll.
Peter Switzer from Switzer. Com.au. Good morning to you, sweets.

S18 (01:01:03):
Hi, Ben. How are you going?

S16 (01:01:04):
Good. Have you got a.

S2 (01:01:05):
Line in the sand when it comes to some of
these costs?

S18 (01:01:08):
Uh, yeah, without a doubt. Um, they're crazy prices. You
understand it, though? You know, a lot of these locations
do have big rents. Also, the people who go there
tend to be yuppies, you know, upper middle class people
who pay that kind of thing. And also, by the way,
a salad is actually better for you than a Back

(01:01:31):
in the egg roll bin.

S2 (01:01:32):
Oh. Thanks, scoop.

S18 (01:01:33):
It's a very hard argument to win that one.

S2 (01:01:35):
Yeah. I think if you're in the Lane Cove National Park,
you wouldn't have too many competitors nearby either. Now, I
want to talk to you about the Brisbane Broncos. They've
had a phenomenal NRL season. They've won the premiership. But
this is interesting. They are the only publicly listed NRL
side and their share price has skyrocketed.

S18 (01:01:54):
Yep up 26% yesterday. And it follows the win. Um
a very good win. And I think the company has
actually been on a rise since about 2020 when the
quality of management improved, the quality of coaches improved. Um,
but what's really interesting, Ben, when you look at the
share register, uh, Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns 70% of

(01:02:17):
the company. A gentleman by the name of, um, Phil
Murphy of Oxmoor Properties in Queensland. He holds 22%, but
that means 8% are actually held by very small shareholders.
And I went back and looked at the history of
the company. It listed in around 1999 for $0.11. So
if you bought 1000 shares then and that would cost

(01:02:40):
you $110, it's now worth something like $1,680. And, you know,
that's a very interesting and not a bad return. But
the interesting thing is, Ben, the chairman of the Roosters, uh,
Nick Politis, he's, uh, the major shareholder of a listed

(01:03:01):
company called Eagers Automotive, biggest owner of car dealerships in
the country. And they recently bought 60% of an online
car business in Canada. And this share price spiked by
about 24%, uh, in one day as a consequence of this.
And and I think the bottom line I'm trying to
say here is, you know, the Broncos investment, Ben, would

(01:03:24):
be an emotional investment. It doesn't have a real potential
We're a company like Eagers is one of the biggest. Well,
it has a $9 billion cap and Broncos have a
have a cap of about 280 million. The interesting thing is, um,
it's an emotional investment where other companies out there would
probably a better investment, but on the same point, because, uh,

(01:03:47):
eagers have done so well in the short term, I
wouldn't be a buyer right now, but over time, it's
a real quality company. But I still think it's a
fascinating story that the Broncos have a listed company and
it's done very, very well.

S2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, the fans celebrating for more than one reason. And
the markets this morning.

S18 (01:04:03):
Yeah Dow down 83 points. But our market is expected
to be up 11 points at the start. Aussie dollar
is 66.2 US cents. And Ben what I said about
those companies is not personal advice because I don't know
the individual circumstances of all our listeners, but if I
did you could call it personal advice.

S2 (01:04:20):
Fair enough mate, we'll talk to you tomorrow.

S18 (01:04:22):
Cheers, mate.

S2 (01:04:23):
Peter Switzer from Switzer. Com.au. At 17 minutes to seven.
Some scammers will go to almost any length to make money,
and fraudsters are being called out today for making fake
funeral live streams and fundraising pages. They're contacting loved ones
with bogus live stream links. The links then lead to
malicious websites, which steal personal information and often request credit

(01:04:47):
card details. The New South Wales government has issued a
reminder to everyone across New South Wales. It says funeral
directors will never request a payment to attend a funeral,
either in person or to watch via a live stream.
They will never send you a social media friend request.
They will never send you private messages or request your
personal details. Contact family or friends directly before donating to

(01:05:11):
a fundraising page. If in doubt, do not donate. The
New South Wales government issued the same warning early this year,
but they've had to do so again as the scammers
ramp up their efforts. And just on funerals. I read
this headline over the weekend in the Sydney Morning Herald
in a story by Kate Halfpenny. My dad went to

(01:05:31):
an 86 year old's funeral. She was carried out to
Rod Stewart's hot legs. Recently, my dad showed me the
funeral order of service for his cousin's wife. The front
cover portrait was the lady in question in a sexy
red dress, ascending a photoshopped staircase with the help of
a giant angel, Angel wing. She was carried out. Dad

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reported to Rod Stewart's hotlegs.

S19 (01:05:56):
Hot laps wearing me out. Hot plate. You can scream
and shout. Hot. Like, are you really in school? I
love you, honey.

S2 (01:06:13):
Does it really sound like funeral music? But then again,
when it's your party, you can decide the playlist.

S1 (01:06:20):
You're listening to. Sydney's best breakfast and now the UK report.

S2 (01:06:26):
Conservatives in the UK have announced a plan to help
young people buy their first home. What's the idea? Adam
Gilchrist is on the line from London. Hi there. Adam.

S20 (01:06:35):
Morning. Yeah. The idea is, is that for those in
a first job, they would get a tax rebate that
could go towards the purchase of a home of £5,000.
I have to say, there aren't very many parts of
the UK where that would even dent anything like a
mortgage or the attempt to buy a home, but it's
something I guess £5,000 would resonate. But it's also a

(01:06:57):
sign that the Conservative Party at their annual conference is
trying to look at the youth market and trying to
get more young people, more young adults on side. And
there is that thing that I mean, just over a
year ago, the conservatives took an absolute mauling in a
general election from Labour. And normally in that case, they
would be consolidating and keeping a bit of a low

(01:07:19):
profile in order to surge back in 3 or 4
years time. but the rise of reform means they can't
afford to do that. So therefore we've got some fairly
drastic policies about exempting retail, hospitality and leisure firms from
business tax, from saving on welfare and the civil service
and foreign aid, and from this idea to appeal to

(01:07:41):
young homeowners. They are trying to make the wheels turn,
and we will see if it has any kind of resonance,
I guess.

S2 (01:07:49):
Yeah. Trying to tackle that housing challenge is a must.
It doesn't matter where you are in the world. And
of course, it's not just young people worried about it.
Their parents are worried about it. Their grandparents are worried
about it on their behalf. Tell me about the lotto
winner who took the celebrations a bit too far?

S20 (01:08:04):
A forklift driver called Adam Lopez from a little town
near Norwich in the east of England. And he won
big on a scratchcard. So one day he had £12.40
in his bank account, the next day, £1,000,012.40, he won
the top prize on a scratchcard, basically. And do you
know what he thought? Well, hey. And then kind of

(01:08:26):
went a bit too far. Three months of non-stop celebrations.
And he admits it himself. Uh, he just went partying
like crazy and ended up with a bilateral pulmonary embolism.
And I guess the fact it's bilateral means it's worse
than just a pulmonary embolism. Uh, ultimately, he said, I
couldn't walk, I couldn't breathe. I rang the ambulance, I

(01:08:48):
got wheeled into the back, and at that point I thought,
you know what? If I had a million, a billion,
a trillion? It makes no difference if you're in the
back of an ambulance, none of that matters. I mean,
of course you can say that when you've got £1
million that have gone into your bank account. But at
the same time, we get the idea that, you know,
to be rich is not all it's cracked up to
be because temptation looms.

S2 (01:09:09):
Yeah, a bit of a wake up call, but I
bet you we had some fun in the meantime. We'll
talk to you tomorrow. Thanks, Ben. Adam Gilchrist on the
line from London right now. Nine minutes to 7:00. It's
time to back a true blue Aussie energy company, red
energy and Sydney's weather a shower or two. Clearing later on. Cloudy.
Humidity 84%. Right now 17 degrees on the coast, climbing

(01:09:33):
to 23 and Sydney's west is 15 with a top
of 26. David wants to have a yarn. Hello, David.

S21 (01:09:42):
Good morning Ben. I love your show mate. Thank you. Listen,
a comment on I love that hot legs being played
as they're carrying the coffin out of the church. I
think that's wonderful. I've always said to my grandchildren, Ben,
I'm a bit of an old AC DC fan as
they're carrying, and I've told my son this as well
as they're carrying the coffin out of the church, I

(01:10:04):
want highway to be Highway to Hell to be played
by AC, DC. Uh, not that I hope I'm going there,
but I'd like everybody to have a bit of a laugh.

S2 (01:10:15):
Well, David would certainly do that. I'm just picturing you
right now. You're listening to Ben Fordham on two GB

(01:10:37):
as David departs the building. Not for a while, we hope. David,
thank you very much for getting in touch and you
can win with our programme today after 8:00. You need
to listen out for Elvis Presley singing Can't Help Falling
in Love, and when you hear that, you find the
prize line number for your chance to see an audience
with Priscilla Presley at the State Theatre, Tuesday, November 25th.

S1 (01:11:01):
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We love getting your messages, and if you got a story,
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B e at 2G. And that's how we got this one.
Hi Ben and team. My name is Mac Ben. We
did an interview live on two GB radio almost a

(01:11:29):
decade ago when I was just nine years old. I
convinced the Australian Minister for defence to have Aussie soldiers
help me hand out hundreds of soccer balls to children
and schools in the war torn region of Afghanistan in
the years that followed. Alongside a special group of mates
from university, we've helped kids in 32 different countries playing

(01:11:52):
sports that most kids in Australia grow up loving. We
are kick for kids foundation. Mac Miller has sent me
this note. Now you can't forget a name like Mac Miller. Mac. Hello.

S22 (01:12:04):
Ben. How are you?

S2 (01:12:05):
Long time no speak. How are you?

S22 (01:12:08):
Yeah, I've been good.

S2 (01:12:10):
Yeah. So what are you, 19 now or 20?

S22 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I'm in university now. Fourth year uni student. I
just turned 22.

S2 (01:12:18):
Actually 22 years old. And take us back to that
conversation when you were just nine. How did you come
up with the idea?

S22 (01:12:26):
So I suppose it started when I saw kids from
Afghanistan on TV. Um, and I didn't think it looked
like they had much to play with. So with all
of the naivety of a of a nine year old,
I wrote a letter to the Aussie Minister for defence
asking or also trying to convince him to, uh, you know,
have Aussie soldiers help us hand out soccer balls to
kids in Tarin Kowt, Afghanistan. Um, and he wrote back

(01:12:49):
and he said, if you can raise the money, I'll
see to it that that the Aussie soldiers hand out
the soccer balls. And that was where it all started.

S2 (01:12:55):
Do you remember who the defence minister was? I know
we're going back a long way.

S23 (01:12:59):
Uh, it was Stephen Smith.

S2 (01:13:01):
Okay, so that was way back over a decade ago.
And then I didn't realize that. It just went from
strength to strength. And you ended up helping kids in
dozens of countries?

S22 (01:13:12):
Absolutely. I mean, it really took off from there. and
it was incredible the way people got around the mission
back then and the way that they still do now.

S2 (01:13:20):
So kick for Kids Foundation, you are looking for the
right platform to share some good news stories. Well, you
found it here. You say we want to help more
kids overcome barriers like cost or geography, and you want
more people playing sports that we love playing here in Australia.
So I'm going to put you on the spot here.
You've got to give us a wild guess. How many
footballs do you reckon you've given away over the years?

S22 (01:13:43):
And I think it'd be around 4500.

S2 (01:13:46):
Where do you get them all from?

S22 (01:13:48):
I mean, we raise the money from, you know, a
range of different, you know, community groups and companies and
private donors. Um, and then we work with, you know,
third parties like rotary, the United Nations Salvation Army to
get those soccer balls to kids in the communities that
need them most.

S2 (01:14:05):
And what kind of countries have they traveled to? The
soccer balls?

S22 (01:14:09):
I mean, it all kicked off in Afghanistan, but we've
been to Into places like North Korea, Syria, even Gaza.
You know, over the ten years that followed that first project.

S2 (01:14:19):
Well, mate, we're very proud of you. And you're at university.
What are you studying at the moment?

S22 (01:14:24):
I study finance and analytics at the University of Queensland.

S2 (01:14:29):
And you just do this stuff in your spare time?

S22 (01:14:31):
Yes. Yeah. I suppose well, I'm I'm lucky that I
do have a group of lovely, empathetic mates from university
that have joined in the mission and between us, um,
we definitely make it work.

S2 (01:14:44):
And we can help out this morning, because if you
want to donate some sporting goods or any funds for
kick for kids, you just go to k k Foundation.org. Correct?

S22 (01:14:55):
That is correct.

S2 (01:14:56):
Lovely to hear your voice, mate. I think last time
we spoke you were sounding a little bit like this.
As a nine year old.

S22 (01:15:02):
You'd be right then. Yeah, there was a little bit blonder,
a little bit longer. Um, but yeah, the mission's still
the same.

S2 (01:15:09):
Well, fantastic, mate, let's stay in touch and I'll get
a few people to give you a hand right now.

S22 (01:15:14):
Yeah. Pleasure, Ben. So we book in for this time
next decade.

S2 (01:15:19):
You haven't lost your sense of humor. I'll talk to
you soon.

S22 (01:15:22):
Talk soon. Ben.

S2 (01:15:23):
Mac Miller, the founder and chairperson of kick for kids.
And what about that? He's now 22. We spoke about
this initiative when he was nine. If you want to
donate some sporting goods or funds, just go to K Foundation.org.
That stands for kick for kids K Foundation.org. And he

(01:15:45):
sounds fantastic. Mac Miller. It's been a while.

S1 (01:15:47):
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S2 (01:15:57):
What's going on on the morning show?

S24 (01:15:58):
Well, I want to talk about a number of things, um,
including an aged care report which comes out today, the
number of people who are waiting for a place. I mean,
what gets me made? And you and I witnessed this
almost every day. You hear government say, oh, we've done this,
we've done that. All good. And then we get the
real world. And I've lived experience has become almost a

(01:16:19):
dirty word because there'll be some report or an academic
somewhere saying, oh, no, that's not right. But we live it.
So there's people now waiting for a place in an
aged care facility that say, well, look, there's nothing, but
we'll stick you up in this hotel.

S2 (01:16:33):
Yeah. And so they whack him in a hostel or
a hotel somewhere?

S24 (01:16:37):
Exactly. And, you know, you're in your. Well, sadly, final
years or later years. And you want just some certainty,
just a place to call home. And you're you're in
a motel. It kind of it really. I just think
it's so bad.

S2 (01:16:50):
And you've also got those home care packages because more
people want to stay at home, but a massive queue
for that as well. And I know that John Stanley's
been talking about that regularly.

S24 (01:16:59):
So has he got a home care package?

S2 (01:17:01):
No, no, no, he's at least 18 months away from
needing a home care package. Well, we'll be listening. Do
you want to hear a little bit of music?

S24 (01:17:08):
Um, I do. Yes.

S2 (01:17:09):
Do you like Elvis Presley?

S24 (01:17:11):
Oh, I love him.

S2 (01:17:12):
What's your favorite Elvis song?

S24 (01:17:14):
Um, I like the Can't Help Falling in Love. Where
he actually starts laughing. Oh, have you heard that? It's
called the break up version.

S2 (01:17:23):
Um, we got the normal version.

S24 (01:17:25):
Oh. You do?

S2 (01:17:26):
Yeah.

S24 (01:17:27):
Coincidence.

S2 (01:17:27):
But it's a cue to call. But I just figured,
because we're giving away the chance to see Priscilla Presley
live on stage.

S24 (01:17:33):
Right?

S2 (01:17:34):
And she tells all the stories.

S24 (01:17:35):
Yeah.

S2 (01:17:36):
Of Elvis Presley being married to the king. Can you
imagine being married to Elvis?

S24 (01:17:40):
Well, no. Um, for a number of reasons, but I
think Priscilla would be. It would be just, uh, you
wouldn't be able to look away, would you?

S2 (01:17:48):
I don't.

S24 (01:17:49):
Know the stories.

S2 (01:17:50):
Interesting stories.

S24 (01:17:51):
The magic, uh, all of that. The king. It's a
it's a once in a lifetime prizes. And you'll only
get it by listening to the great Ben Fordham.

S2 (01:18:00):
And here's the cue to call.

S25 (01:18:01):
Take my hand. Take my whole life too. For I
can't help falling in love with you.

S2 (01:18:27):
Phone now this is the prize. Line number one 307
2873 for your chance to win an audience with Priscilla
Presley at the State Theatre Tuesday, the 25th of November.
Now France is in political turmoil at the moment. Their
newly appointed prime minister has resigned after less than a
month in the role. Sebastien Lecornu has walked away. Last

(01:18:51):
month he was voted in becoming the fifth prime minister
in the past two years. He spent the past few
weeks trying to negotiate new policies and assemble a new cabinet,
but his time in the role has only lasted 27 days.
He named his new cabinet over the weekend, with many
of them ministers in the previous government. And just hours

(01:19:12):
after the announcement, he confirmed his resignation. There are now
calls for the French president, Emmanuel Macron, to call a
snap election. So political turmoil in France and just on
matters pertaining to Europe, Aussies travelling to that part of
the world are set to experience some changes. Europe is
scrapping the old passport stamp and and replacing it with

(01:19:36):
a high tech border check. From next week, the European
Union will roll out its new entry exit system. Travellers
will have their face and fingertips scanned. Entry and exit
dates will be logged digitally. It's designed to tighten border
security and track how long people stay. The change applies

(01:19:56):
to all non-European travellers. Now the changes begin next week.
But the new system won't be fully operational until next year.
Coming up, sadly, I've got to tell you about an
absolutely horrific situation that's unfolded on the south coast of
New South Wales.

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S2 (01:20:23):
Up on google.com, you'll find the truth map how the
net zero rollout is impacting Australia. So there's a link
there to go and see the map for yourself. And
you can also have a listen back to the comments
we shared earlier. By the way, on the energy front,
in the last 24 hours, New South Wales received 1%
of its power from gas, 4% from hydro, 18% from solar.

(01:20:48):
Wind has been busy at 23%, and on top of
the list, 54% of our power coming from coal in
the last 24 hours. Now, a chainsaw has allegedly been
used during a terrifying murder on the New South Wales
south coast. It happened in the early hours of Monday
morning in Bega. Gordon Kessie has been identified as the victim.

(01:21:13):
Police found his body in a park after multiple calls
were made to 000. A different man is also fighting
for life in hospital following the incident. Locals say they
heard a group of people yelling and screaming at about
2 a.m.. They also reportedly heard loud revs of what's

(01:21:34):
believed to be a chainsaw, and apparently a possible drug
dispute could be at the centre of this situation. Gordon
Kessie is understood to be well known to police for
links to drug supply and an extensive criminal history, according
to the Daily Telegraph. In the past, he's battled drug

(01:21:54):
addiction and spent time in jail. But we're told more
recently he's made efforts to get his life back on
track and he's now lost his life. Police say no
charges have been laid at this stage, but their investigation
is ongoing. So a terrifying murder on the south coast

(01:22:15):
of New South Wales at Bega. And we're being told
that police are in the middle of their investigation as
we speak. They have moved on the alleged gunman who
terrorized Sydney's inner west. He's been hit with a string
of serious charges. The 60 year old, who allegedly fired
more than 50 shots in Croydon Park, has been identified

(01:22:35):
as Art Mintz's. It's understood he works for Transport New
South Wales and has two adult children, and he has
now been charged with 25 offences, including 18 counts of
shoot with intent to murder. He's been refused bail and
he'll appear in court today. There's also a court matter
today involving the plan to protest near the opera house

(01:23:00):
on Sunday in regards to the Gaza War. So the
action for Palestine group is wanting permission to be able
to hold a demonstration that will involve the opera House forecourt.
The Jewish groups in Sydney, plus police don't want it
to happen. They say there should be some other location.
That's certainly the argument that police will be putting forward.

(01:23:23):
But sadly, police don't get to decide these things. The
Premier doesn't get to decide these things. It will be
the Supreme Court that will decide this thing today, or
at least they'll be discussing it today.

S26 (01:23:34):
Just a little bit of history repeating.

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And now on Ben Fordham live on this day. Got
a gurgle 100%. No digging guarantee from the drain, man.
Call us. We'll fix it fast. One 800.

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Drain man.

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Today is the 7th of October. On this day in 2023,
Hamas launched a devastating terror attack on Israel. Militants entered
Israel on paragliders and speedboats and hunted down civilians with
machine guns and grenades. Some young people escaped in cars
from the Nova music Festival.

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Die, die, die die!

S2 (01:24:20):
The Hamas terrorists killed more than 1200 people and kidnapped
about 240. It is the largest loss of Jewish life
since the Holocaust. In 1999, the OSI Pat farmer broke
the world record for a 10,000 kilometre run running around
Australia in 129 days.

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When you've got nothing to lose and you're not scared
of death itself, you can do incredible things.

S2 (01:24:47):
In 2003, Arnold Schwarzenegger became the governor of California.

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For the people to win, politics as usual must lose.

S2 (01:24:57):
In 1916, Taronga Zoo opened in Sydney, and in 1996
Fox News launched.

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Good Morning, welcome to Fox News Channel.

S2 (01:25:08):
It's time for some happy birthdays. Now the Aussie artist
Tim Minchin is 50. Today the British TV host Simon
Cowell is turning 66. The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, is
having a birthday. He is 73 and the Scottish singer
Lewis Capaldi is having a birthday too.

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So.

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Before you go, was there something I could have said
to make your heart beat better? If only I'd have
known you had a storm to weather. So before you go,

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was there something I could have said to make it
all stop hurting? It kills me how your mind can
make you feel so helpless. So. Before you go.

S2 (01:26:04):
He was born in Glasgow and Lewis Capaldi is 29 today.
It all happened on this day, the 7th of October.
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