July 2, 2025 • 38 mins
In this Beyond Sunday episode, Dina, Pastor Zach, and Peter unpack the message from Don’t Skip This, exploring the often-overlooked story of the floating axe head in 2 Kings. They reflect on how God cares deeply about the details we think are too small, revealing that even the most ordinary moments can become reminders of His presence and power in our everyday lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our weekly
message and see what we'retaking beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom andtoday I have some gosh.
How should I describe you guystoday?
You kind of pressure me aboutthe adjectives that I use
sometimes, peter.
I have two guys.
How about that?
(00:25):
Just two guys?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I don't know that.
We said don't use adjectives.
I think that was kind of nice.
You called us in the pastamazing, incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Spectacular.
How about?
Today is spectacular.
I have some spectacular guests.
Don't skip today's podcastbecause the guests are
spectacular.
Don't skip this series.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, but if they're already listening, they didn't
skip it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Maybe once they found out who the guests were, they
were going to turn it off.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Just don't say our names.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Go covert.
I'm not Peter Bay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And I'm Charles McMuffin.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Do you know the Muffin man?
I do, I am the.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
McMuffin.
Do you know the Muffin man?
I do, I am the McMuffin man.
Let's talk about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, so Zach and Peter are here today with me.
And my little open.
Yep, I did, I spoiled it.
My opening question for youSummer has like really hit.
I feel like now we're we're inthe thick of it.
So my question is what summeractivity do you have to do every
(01:33):
summer, or what's like yourfavorite thing about summer?
That you get to do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Golf.
Yeah, it's not just summer foryou, no, it's not just summer
for you, no, it's not justsummer, but like it's the
activity, and I've been doingmore golf watching than golf
playing, uh, which is fun.
My youngest son, brady's in alot of tournaments and so that's
been fun to watch him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But yeah, our, our summers are very much revolved
outside of work, uh, around golfyeah, and I would say one of my
favorite summer activities isto go to the pool, but don't get
in the pool do?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
you do this often almost every time I yeah, my
parents have a pool andobviously peter for those who
don't know he's mybrother-in-law, so we get
invited sometimes to the sameparty and I don't know that I've
seen you in the pool, maybeonce like last summer.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I got in zero times.
It was like a goal to never getin the pool and your kids love
it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh, they love the pool, and your wife loves to
tread water for as long as shecan.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I can't even float.
That's my sister by the way.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You can't even float no For those who don't know how
in-law stuff works.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah for real.
I've tried to float.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, you're tall, I'm pretty sure you could stand.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, yeah, Depends how deep, Well beyond Sunday you
talked about diving deep, sowe're not going shallow here.
This is deep waters baby.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it's not diving , though, it's just sinking.
Do you have an aversion to thewater?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Or just do you enjoy going.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
To the pool.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I would choose to never go to the pool.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But we're invited often, and I am humbled and
honored by each invite, and so Igo.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That was nice.
That was nice for the invite.
Yes, if.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I could like go to a movie every time instead.
I'd be pleased as punch.
And it's not even against theheat.
I think it's because I don'tknow how to swim.
I don't love getting splashed.
I don't drink much of the elk.
So it's like what am I going todo here?
Just sit in the warm and sweat.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You could sit in the cool water.
You don't have to swim, youdon't have to like, you could
just sit.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, and then the kids are all like splashing you
in the face.
Do you like that, dina?
Turn around.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's aggressive.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love floating in the pool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Turn around.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like.
I love floating in the pool.
I love to.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is that your summer activity or what are you
choosing?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
No, that's not because I like I think for me in
the summer I don't want to misslike a big movie release that's
like my I look forward to andyou know COVID kind of threw us
off for a while, it was someweak summer movies but I'm a big
movie buff.
It's funny you mentioned goingto movies because I there's
always good movies that come outin the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
What is it?
What are you going to?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
see, this year there's several.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, tell us.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm like excited about, I don't know Like I went
to see how to Train a Dragon thelive version.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What did you think I was really?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
excited about that.
It was good.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
One to ten scale.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'd say maybe a seven .
Okay yeah, which is prettypositive for me.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Are you going to see Jurassic Park?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I am going to see Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Happy Gilmore, I'm also going to.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm not going to see Happy Gilmore in the theater.
It's coming.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I don't think it's going to theaters.
I think it's going right toNetflix.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Are you kidding me?
No, happy Gilmore 2, not in thetheaters.
I think.
I'm blaming that one on COVID.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't know.
Covid threw the whole moviething off like just movies
weren't coming out foreverbecause people weren't going.
And I I love a good movie, good, some popcorn kicking back yeah
yes, do you sneak things intothe movie theater?
Um, I used to, but I don'tanymore.
(05:19):
Tell us about the metanoia, theheart change, repentance it's
really because I just stoppedeating candy during movies.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It doesn't have to be candy.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Anything Like.
I don't sneak drinks in Most ofthe time, I'll just well.
I do drink soda sometimesduring the movies.
I was going to say most of thetime I drink waters.
It depends on what theater I goto, because my son works at a
movie theater.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
At the Alamo Draft House.
Nice and that one's close to myhouse and I really enjoy the
vibe there.
I like going there, but itdoesn't have reclining seats.
Wow, and there's something tobe said for the reclining seats.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, those are beautiful, that were nonexistent
when I was young.
Zach, you sneak things in.
I've snuck some things in Iknow your mom has talked about
this several times yeah, I've,I've snuck some things in before
yeah, yeah, um anything youwant to share what's?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
uh, like candies you're acting so strange about
this my best friend, I mean whatelse do you sneak?
I mean, I'm not like, I'm notlike bringing in a drink, like
in my pocket no, not drinks, butdo you like, take a blanket to
the movie.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know that's like a thing now with the recliners
Kids do Kids take a blanket.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But that would be easier to sneak things if you
did that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
We're not condoning that, or are we?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, bringing a blanket.
We talked about honor.
We just learned all about honor, a snack and yeah, yeah, this
is perfect for the laterquestion.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So I'll save it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
My very good friend, like my mom friend when my kids
were little that we'd take ourkids to the movies together.
She and her kids would alwaysgo stop by Dollar Tree or the
dollar store before they'd go tothe movies, and she literally
would buy so much boxed candythat when she walked, her purse
would go.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I will share this.
When I was in high schoolprobably college I didn't do
this much in college, but inhigh school for sure I'd go to
the movie and go straight to atrash can get a large popcorn
tub, large soda cup.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Cup, go get that refill would you wash it out
first?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
it depends who I was with.
Like, if it really botheredthem, I'd rinse it and put a
little soap in there, rinse itout in like the bathroom yeah,
but if.
But, if it was my buddies orwhatever, just dump and go get
it yeah just save, Just savewhat 20 bucks, now 15, 20 bones
yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Did you ever do like theater hopping before there was
assigned seating?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Where you'd get in and like one movie would finish
and you'd just go sit in anothertheater.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
We absolutely did.
We'd watch three in a day.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
My older brothers would do that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Never would I do that .
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Never you, no, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I have honor I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I yeah.
It's just a lot of movies timeto watch back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, and you run out of candies.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, and you run out of candies that you might have
brought.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That depends how many you smuggled in.
Alrighty, then, yep, yep, goodmovie quote.
So this week we started our newsermon series called hey, don't
Skip this, and we are talkingabout Bible events that maybe
are not as well known or youknow harder to find, not the
things that you hear every week.
And this week we kind of lookedat the second Kings and Pastor
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Greg Griffith preached and heopened up by talking about how
he is a hypocrite.
He doesn't like to admit it,but he's a hypocrite because he
has very high standards aboutpeople losing things and judges
them fiercely, but that he losthis wedding ring multiple times,
so he ended up getting a tattooinstead of wearing a ring.
(09:05):
So I want to know what are youa hypocrite about?
Is there something in your lifethat stands out?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
to you, I'd like to answer for.
Peter.
Yes, this is something that hesays that I don't see in action,
which is, I think, what ahypocrite is.
Right it's saying one thing andnot doing, and so many many
timeseter will say that he ispro animal I knew it yeah pro
animalanti-pet anti-pet and, uh, what
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he means to say by that is thathe's for animals.
That's what pro animal means,but he doesn't want to have one
as a pet.
And yet I have a pet, hisname's zig, and many other
animals have been around Peter,and I don't think he's
pro-animal, I think he'santi-animal, even more anti-pet.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I'm going to call him out as a hypocrite for that.
What kind of animal is Ziggy?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He's just a little cockapoo dog.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He's a dog and again, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
If animals aren't your thing, that's fine.
I would just say own it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know, I, I do agree.
I think you, you may be alittle anti animal animal animal
animal anti pet only because ofthe faces you make.
Anytime there's animaldiscussions happening.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So here's the deal I'm afraid of most every animal.
So here's the deal I'm afraidof most every animal.
My judge of if I'm afraid ornot is if it was cornered in the
garage, would I run away?
And I can't think of an animalthat I wouldn't run away from.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You'd run away from Ziggy.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely.
If it's cornered, I'm like I'mdone, I'm gone, so I'm afraid of
animals.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What about like an axolotl yeah?
That's not even a real animal,no I don't know what that is
Speaker 2 (10:48):
that's a pokemon, that's yeah, that's not real.
So when I go to the zoo, I justam in awe of god's creation and
I mean that's true, I but likeit's just so fun to learn about
animals.
(11:08):
Did you know that giraffes havelike sponges in their neck so
that if they, if they have toeat from foliage on the ground,
their head doesn't explode fromthe rush of blood?
Wow, incredible, right, if theydidn't have those, they would
have died off years ago.
So so this proves evolution.
I think that's phenomenal.
I love animals.
Don't want them in my house.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Maybe you're just fascinated by animals.
Maybe love is not the rightword.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So what's the opposite of pro, anti, anti.
So, zach, would you say I'manti-animal?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I would.
He feels very strongly.
Well, and I think it's onething to be like you can be
afraid of animals, true.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Which.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think, makes you a little bit anti.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
If that makes sense.
Usually you're anti thingsyou're afraid of.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You're not like anti, like you want to go around and
kill things and you're wishingbad things happen.
You just don't want them inyour space.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So true At all ever.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
This is a great example.
I love this.
What do you got for me?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
This is some good brother therapy.
This is really good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think it's so funny that that so zach took a test,
like a while ago or no.
What was it your family saidyou were.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You're a bad listener yeah, they voted me the worst,
the worst in my family atlistening or active listening or
what was it?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
the context yeah, I think just listening in general
yeah, which which this is notthe time to get into who may
actually be the worst listener,but, uh, I and I don't even know
if I can bend this to him beinghypocritical or not, but he's.
He's always like he'll talkover people to say how good he's
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gotten at listening over theyears and they'll be like no,
zach, you don't.
And then he'll be like youdon't understand, and then he'll
just not listen his way allthrough his argument.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I didn't hear a thing you said.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Dina, what do you got ?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I think I'm probably the most hypocritical about like
organization, Like I wantthings organized my way, but
everyone else has to organizethem my way too.
And I'll say to my kids or likeformer roommates or something
oh no, you know, do whatever youwant.
But then I'll secretly likereshape or reorganize or things,
(13:32):
Cause it.
Just I don't know if I've gotlike OCD tendencies or something
, but it just drives me nuts Inthe way.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In the words of Forrest Frank, your way is
better, my way is better.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
God's way is best, but you know Then deem it.
I'm like right there underneathNice, all right.
So kind of talking about beinghypocritical, are you guys ever
hypocritical like when youborrow things?
Greg, like left in this Biblestory, talks about this ax that
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is borrowed that falls in thewater, and they're really
devastated or concerned aboutthis ax because it's not theirs
and we want to take care ofother people's things.
And I'm just wondering are youever, you know, do you ever find
yourself being hypocriticalabout borrowing things?
or do you have a?
What do you?
What relates to you aboutborrowing things, or do you have
a?
What do you, what relates toyou about borrowing?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
yeah, this is where I'm not quite sure that I um, I
struggle one with understandingwhat hypocritical meant, so now
I have to relate it to somethingelse.
So this is a double whammy so II do know this that I am not
great with things I borrow.
I tend to have them for a longtime.
Um, I've I've got a couplebooks from one of my buddies
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right now and I don't even liketo read, so it's like why do I
still have these did?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
you ask for them or did they offer he?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
he gave them to me, it was like you should read
these, so I didn't want to turndown the gift of borrowing
something.
But I keep looking at them andI just feel so bad, like, oh,
I'm never going to read thisbook.
And I keep looking on Audible,thinking today's the day it's
going to be on Audible and theydon't come to Audible, like one
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of them he wrote.
So I have to read it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is it Zach?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
No, it's a good buddy of mine named frank, and frank,
I love you and I just want tobe able to.
I I can read, but not well.
So now I'm gonna and this is,and then, like I'll get after,
I'll do it, I won't, I don't, Idon't know when you should just
give the books back and begrateful that's what frank say.
(15:43):
He's a very understanding guy,yeah, so that's my encouragement
to you.
I'll read a chapter.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think me or Allison aremuch of like borrowers.
So yeah, for me I probably morewhat's more in my world than
borrowing is like if we go outwith friends or someone else,
like just kind of trying to makesure we don't take advantage.
If they want to pay forsomething like cool, then we'll
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get the next one, if that makessense.
So I think, we're way more inthat camp than like, hey, I need
to borrow any, I mean anything.
So yeah, to me, I think we'rereally hyper, try to be hyper
aware of not taking for granted.
When people are generous to usand wanting to make sure that we
see it, we notice it and, if wecan, in our own way.
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It doesn't always have to bepenny for penny or just with
dollars if that makes sense, butit can be with watching
someone's dog or with you knowwhatever.
I think we try to be over andabove, like we want to be the
ones that are generous.
If that, if that makes sense.
Yeah, Are you much of aborrower?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't.
I'm I'm not a big borrower, butwhen I borrow something like
from some, like from a neighboror a coworker, somebody I don't
know as well like, I will use itclean the snot out of it and
get it back to them ASAP.
I want it looking better, but ifI borrow something from
somebody I know well or a familymember, all bets are off on
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when it may or may not leave myhouse again, and sometimes
there's things I'vequote-unquote borrowed from my
dad that I'm pretty sure Ireally just think it was a gift.
Now and it just became my.
I have a snowblower.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Dad just lives at my house now.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Hopefully you're not listening because she still
knows that was a borrow, butshe's kind of claimed it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, you know, somewhere in the midst he moved
to a condo where they take careof his snow.
So I figured he didn't need itanymore.
You know, yeah, I feel like Itake advantage, I feel like I'm
hypocritical in that way that Idon't treat those things the
same when they're from people Iknow better.
I should be better, I shouldhonor them more.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So Greg really talked about three key points as he
looked at this whole story, andthe first one that he talked
about is God cares about whatyou care about.
How did that speak to you guys?
How did you relate to that?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, this is something that I've thought
about a lot and in kids'ministry this was a great
connection often, because whatkids care about is very
different than what adults careabout at times, and a kid who
loses their stuffy like that's abig deal to them, and I think
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sometimes we think of God asthis benevolent authority who is
there to punish, rather than aloving father who is there to
care.
And if you see a child sad, youwant to help them find their
stuffy.
Let's go find it, and so thatwas always a fun connection to
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make with kids like that.
God cares about you and becausehe cares about you, he cares
about what you care about, evenif other people belittle it.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I think it was really good.
It was in relation to the storywhere the guy does borrow the
axe head and he's a protege ofElisha, the prophet, who, in my
mind, is the most underratedprophet of all.
Elisha's an awesome dude, justamazing guy.
So he's got all these protégésunder him and they're like
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really building like a versionof a seminary, right, and so
they're doing this, the axe headflies out, it goes into the
water and the guy that borrowedthe axe head's like, ah, geez,
doggone it, I lost my axe head,I borrowed that.
Ah, that's going to be a bigdeal and it probably would have
been a bigger deal than maybe wemake it out to be.
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And God in this was my kind ofbig takeaway too for the whole
sermon like God in his bigness,cares about the small things in
our life, right?
I just think it's fascinatingthat the God of the world, who
at this moment, right now, isseated on his throne and
probably stewarding, I don'tknow, millions of people talking
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to him at this very moment, can, at the same time, steward the
world and be sovereign over all,and yet still be intimately and
deeply involved in the detailsof my life for what should be,
in his purview, a really smallthing, he makes it a big enough
thing in our life to care about.
So I just find that to befascinating, and that was kind
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of like the perspective I hadthrough the sermon was thinking
about this duality of God, thathe is that big and that small
and that's our God, which ispretty cool, and so for anyone
listening, that's like feelingthe weight of something, whether
it's small or big, knowing thatGod is seated on his throne and
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at the same time like deeplyinvolved and intimate with you
to give you exactly what youneed when you need.
It is really comforting.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
When I was going through my divorce and I was in
counseling at the time, I feltlike there were things that were
happening in my life that werenot big enough for God, like, oh
, this was really small becauseI was going through some really
big things with my divorce andmy children and those struggles,
and then little things wouldhappen and I'd be like, well,
that's too small to pray about,or that's like I want God to
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concentrate on the big things.
He can concentrate on it all.
But it just seemed so minusculeto me.
And my therapist gave me theimage of God doesn't look at
your problems or your issueslike a skyline where there's
tall buildings and shortbuildings.
He's got an overhead view whereeverything looks the same
dimension.
So your big cares and yoursmall cares are all the same to
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him and he cares just as muchabout the teeny tiny thing as he
does about the big thing.
And that was like mind blowingto me.
Oh, my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think that's great, and I hear a lot of people say
or feel like well, I don't knowif I want to pray to God about
that, because so-and-so isdealing with that and that's a
big deal, Like God should, likethat's a bigger thing and like
maybe it is in the worldlycontext, but God cares enough
about what you're going throughtoo that you can bring anything
and everything, even the smallthings and the big things, to
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God.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I liked.
Greg referenced a quote thatsaid there's no pit so deep that
God's love is not deeper still.
That spoke to me.
I really liked that.
So he kind of transitioned intoa second point, which was
talking about God can workmiracles in everyday life.
How did that speak to you?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think there's, yeah , what I really liked about this
part of Greg's message.
We call him GG.
What I liked about GG's messagehere in this part was just the
reminder that every day we'rewalking you, dina, peter, we're
walking miracles and to notice alittle bit more of the miracles
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that we just get to see everyday and take for granted, get to
feel, get to experience everyday and take for granted and
again kind of pointing to thebigness of God like all these
miracles happen each and everyday and he's aware, he knows,
and because of that, like weought to believe in the
miraculous God to do anythingand everything.
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And so no situation is too fargone, like you said, no pit is
too far deep that God can'tintervene.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, and I liked how he connected also some of the
miracles we get to see at churchof communion, of the
forgiveness of sins throughChrist's body and blood and the
real presence of the bread andthe wine, which is something I
think that when we do it everyother week and it can become
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even mundane.
And it can become even mundane,but the reality is like there's
a miracle at work.
We receive the forgiveness ofsins and then in baptism July 20
is a baptism Sunday, so comeready to see the miracle of God,
of him saying you are part ofmy family, Nothing and no one
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can take you from me as thewater and the word combines and
like one of the coolest thingsthat we get to witness and be
part of.
So I really appreciate himbringing those sacraments into
the message in that moment.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And you heard it here first.
Folks Believe it or not.
Dina and Peter, I believe thatJuly 20th is the first Sunday
where we will have baptismshappening at all three of our
campuses on the same day.
Talk about miraculous.
Come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's great.
Yeah, I liked when he talked atthis point about Jesus coming
and making breakfast for thedisciples and just how mundane
that seemed.
Like you talked about mundane,I wrote down miraculous of the
mundane that to me stuck with meand how Jesus was just doing
this lowly simple thing for hisfriends.
But it is miraculous because hedied and he was no longer dead.
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So then Greg moved into histhird point, which was really
about God uses ordinary peopleto help others.
What stuck with you about thisone?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, the illustration of his dad being
the ring finder.
I thought that was a reallycool thing with the whole like
he started off with like he'slost his ring so many times and
then the axe head gets lost inthe water and then his dad found
a lady's wedding ring in theocean, was it?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, which is?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
just absurd that that would happen.
So that was just a really cooltie-in.
Then he mentioned people fromGod's word who, um, were
ordinary people who didextraordinary things, and then
it made me think about some ofthe people in my life, uh, some
of which like.
I think of a guy named dr peterfalk who was one of my mentors
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in high school who whenever I'dsee him he'd say peter, living
in the word peter and uh, butjust an ordinary dude with his
flaws and just like any one ofus, but would routinely point me
to god's word, which isextraordinary, um.
Another mentor of mine was a guynamed mike leclerc and he was
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our neighbor and when we werelittle, every time that
commercial came out and I waslike I want to, to be, I want to
be like Mike.
He would like crank it up andlike come outside and shoot
hoops with us, and I'll, I'llnever forget that and for me
it's like gosh to live with thattype of joy.
That's an ordinary dude doingsomething extraordinary, I
simply being goofy, so thosethings stick out and and help
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illustrate that point of whatGreg talked about.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And I think too, so many miracles of God, like,
let's be real, he doesn't needus to do the miracle.
I think of the feeding of the5,000, like it was a miracle of
provision, but it was also amiracle of participation, like
he's including each andeverybody in this, and in this
case, miracle of participation.
Like he's including each andeverybody in this, and in this
case he includes Elisha and thisyoung student in it and like he
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didn't need to do that and hecould have.
Just, you know, if he could, ifhe could perform any miracle, he
could have just taken the axhead out of the water and just
placed it right back in theguy's hands, but instead, unlike
Peter, he made it float.
Maybe there's an opportunityfor you to float bud.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
That'd be a miracle, an opportunity for you to float
bud.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That'd be a miracle If you can learn how to float.
Anyway, it floated and it waslike there it is, take it.
And so sometimes, like themiracle, I wonder how many my
mind went.
I wonder how many miracles thatwe're leaving in the water or
on the table if you will, notbecause God isn't willing to do
them, but because we're notwilling to do our small, small
part of cool.
The ax head is floating.
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99.9% of this thing is done.
I just got to do the 0.01% oflifting it out of the water and
then it's done, done.
And so to me it's a reminder ofour participation in God's
miracles that there are probablyso many incredible miraculous
things that are hanging in thebalance only to have us put a
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little bit of action and do ourpart, because God includes us in
it.
Right, if he wanted to just doit himself, he could have.
He didn't.
He died and rose and then heascended into heaven and
entrusted 12 pretty messed upguys to start this movement, and
it continues forward withpeople like us and people like
in our church that we all have apart to play in it.
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We are those ordinary people.
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, let's go.
Yeah, and I think a couplethings that came to mind.
There is one our eyes up to seewhat's around us, to see what
God is doing, to see the peopleGod what's around us, to see
what God is doing, to see thepeople God has placed around us
and to appreciate them and care.
And then, secondly, thinking ofother extraordinary things done
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by ordinary people.
I think of the volunteers inour city and in our churches,
the people who care for the kidson a Sunday morning, who clean
the coffee pots, who say helloand shake a hand of someone
who's having a terrible,terrible day, like every single
one of those goes a long waywithin a faith community to to
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welcome people and to make themfeel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I have been shocked I since I've been in guest
experience on this campus, whichis a year now, I don't even
know At the number of timessomeone will come to me and
share a story of, hey, I washaving a really bad day and the
greeter just shook my hand alittle bit longer or gave me a
smile and a hug.
They didn't ask what was goingon, they didn't ask if they
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could pray for something oroffer some helpful advice, but
they were just there to greetand welcome them when they
walked into church.
I mean, dozens of times peoplehave come and said to me hey,
last week this happened and Ijust thought somebody should
know about it.
What a simple thing that is.
You know what I mean To keepyour eyes up and just welcome
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someone.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I'm going to get the longest handshakes ever this
weekend.
Too long yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The opposite effect for me.
There's so much eye contact.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's a fine line.
Like it becomes creepy after alittle point.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
you know, yeah, how long is too long.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I don't know.
I'll start asking.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
All right, when I get the comments I'll start asking.
It totally depends on where theconversation goes.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What if there's no conversation?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
If there's no conversation and you're still
hanging on One 1,002, 1,003,maybe With no conversation.
I don't know, with noconversation, I don't know.
I think it depends if you bringin the other hand and really
like warm it with both hands.
You know, I don't know.
Yeah, I feel like we're wayoverthinking this.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, I think we're thinking about it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I pray with my volunteers every Sunday morning.
I'm like Lord, direct our feet.
Let us be whatever the peoplewho are coming through the doors
needs, if it's a smile, if it'sa hug, if it's a handshake, and
I'm shocked at the number ofresponses that I get.
It really is amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, I told our campus folks about a couple of
examples of people who have cometo church, one of which it was
his first time ever coming toour campus and he had a great
experience.
We talked about it a lot and thenext day he passed away and it
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was horrific and we never got tomeet him again.
And so, lord, I pray that whathappened that day?
You have your hands all over itas a guy who hasn't been to
church in over 30 years, becausehe said that the church and God
didn't love him anymore and sohe had finally worked up the
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courage to come to church.
And so we never know whatpeople are going through when
they come through our doors.
We never know what people aregoing through when they come
through our doors.
I also share the story ofthere's a couple who attended
for about a year and a half whohave now moved to Texas, and
they said the reason that theyattended is because someone
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learned their name on the firstweek and used it, and they said
they never experienced thatbefore and it's something so
simple but so powerful just tolook up, learn a name and then
on the way out and say see you,greg, I'm so glad you're here so
we can do that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I just had a guy who came back to church.
He went here, I guess when hewas much younger.
Had a guy who came back tochurch.
He went here, I guess when hewas much younger.
Has a family member that goeshere and he came to fill out a
new here card because he saidwell, I haven't been here for
like 10 or 15 years.
So I thought maybe I shouldstop by and I said, yes, I'd
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love to meet you, started askinghim about his story and he said
well, I came like about six orseven years ago and I walked in
and nobody said hi to me andnobody offered to help me find a
seat and nobody shook my handat the end of service and he
said I just felt very shunnedand so I left.
I was here that one time and Ileft and I didn't come back.
And now here I have, come back,and on the first day I came
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back, I walk in and a guy namedBill, who's one of our greeters,
greeted him and had a wholeconversation with him.
And then the next week, where'sBill?
Bill wasn't standing at thefront door but there was
somebody other than Bill thatwas just as friendly and he was
like I was shocked Couldn't betwo weeks in a row that people
were friendly.
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And he said, just week afterweek I kept saying, oh okay, I
can come back, maybe next weekI'll see what I saw before.
But he just talked about howthe dynamic had changed, the
worth and the warmth and thewelcoming.
Now I don't know what washappened six or seven years ago
on the day that he came, cause Iknow people have been friendly
here for a long time, but forwhatever reason he didn't have
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that experience and now he hasyeah, yeah, it speaks volumes,
attaboy bill yeah, um.
So, as we wrap up, what's yourfinal thoughts, final takeaways
from this message?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
yeah, uh, one of the last questions that pastor greg
asked was what is your elishamoment?
your I will moments.
And then he said your impactwill always be bigger than your
effort.
And I think about that.
I mean, I think about that withthe amazing people that I get
to minister with, especiallywhen they're going through a
really hard time, because I'llsit with them and I don't have
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an answer for any of their griefand I can't fix their problems,
and I really want to.
I wish I could, but the realityis like the best thing I can do
is just be there and see themand pray for them and be sad for
a little bit with them andlament and um, and I know, when
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people have done that for me,it's made in incredible, uh,
it's, it's had incredible value.
So, um, your impact will alwaysbe bigger than your efforts.
I'm just sitting there, but,lord, allow that to be helpful
in some way.
You do the work, god.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
You do the work, god.
Yeah, my brain's been thinkingthis statement that if God would
do this much for an axe head,like think how much he'd do for
someone like you, someone likeme, if he'd go out of his way to
find a lost axe head in water.
Like, how much more will God goto find his lost children?
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And in this process, even whatwe talked about how much he'll
use you and I and the peoplelistening to help rescue his
children?
There's like no length.
Like he's already done thatthrough Jesus, like at the cross
and through the tomb, and sothere's no length.
There's no pit too deep thatGod cannot save.
And through the tomb, and sothere's no length.
There's no pit too deep thatGod cannot save and God cannot
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rescue.
And that's a part of the missionwhere I hope all of us want to
join in on that, because it'scool to see an axe head float.
It's even more amazing to seelives changed and transformed
through the waters of baptism,and that's what we're here to do
.
And so that that thought ofjust if God would do this for an
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ax head, uh, had a few other,like you know, anyway, I'm not
gonna go where I've thought,like what he'll do for an ax
hole like me, but anyway, that'skind of where I was going.
I was like I don't that I'llhave to edit that for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's all right.
We have all of like sixlisteners, so you know.
But seriously, if you go thatlength, there's nothing off the
table for what God wouldn't doto reach his kids.
That's cool, that's good.
All right, do you want to tagus out this time?
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
This has become a little thing for you in honor of
um your favorite summer thingof going to the movies.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, I've got the movie trailer all right for for
this sermon series, for what for?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
no for the summer, for the podcast okay okay I'm
ready, I'm locked in yeah, youknow, that's exactly where it
starts In a world where Sundayhappens, yeah, so I've got three
points that are going to makethis abundantly clear.
My wife, lori, is the best.
You hear a message, and so Ifound my ring and then I lost my
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ring and you get a lot from it,and then I got a tattoo of my
ring.
My dad said don't get a tattoo.
Sometimes it gets more serious.
God does this and God does that, and then you forget about it
because you're a human.
You've got a lot going on.
But then you found this podcastand it went beyond Sunday, and
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it went beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our weekly
message and see what we'retaking beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom andtoday I have some gosh.
How should I describe you guystoday?
You kind of pressure me aboutthe adjectives that I use
sometimes, peter.
I have two guys.
How about that?
(00:25):
Just two guys?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I don't know that.
We said don't use adjectives.
I think that was kind of nice.
You called us in the pastamazing, incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Spectacular.
How about?
Today is spectacular.
I have some spectacular guests.
Don't skip today's podcastbecause the guests are
spectacular.
Don't skip this series.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, but if they're already listening, they didn't
skip it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Maybe once they found out who the guests were, they
were going to turn it off.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Just don't say our names.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Go covert.
I'm not Peter Bay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And I'm Charles McMuffin.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Do you know the Muffin man?
I do, I am the.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
McMuffin.
Do you know the Muffin man?
I do, I am the McMuffin man.
Let's talk about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, so Zach and Peter are here today with me.
And my little open.
Yep, I did, I spoiled it.
My opening question for youSummer has like really hit.
I feel like now we're we're inthe thick of it.
So my question is what summeractivity do you have to do every
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summer, or what's like yourfavorite thing about summer?
That you get to do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Golf.
Yeah, it's not just summer foryou, no, it's not just summer
for you, no, it's not justsummer, but like it's the
activity, and I've been doingmore golf watching than golf
playing, uh, which is fun.
My youngest son, brady's in alot of tournaments and so that's
been fun to watch him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But yeah, our, our summers are very much revolved
outside of work, uh, around golfyeah, and I would say one of my
favorite summer activities isto go to the pool, but don't get
in the pool do?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
you do this often almost every time I yeah, my
parents have a pool andobviously peter for those who
don't know he's mybrother-in-law, so we get
invited sometimes to the sameparty and I don't know that I've
seen you in the pool, maybeonce like last summer.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I got in zero times.
It was like a goal to never getin the pool and your kids love
it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh, they love the pool, and your wife loves to
tread water for as long as shecan.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I can't even float.
That's my sister by the way.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You can't even float no For those who don't know how
in-law stuff works.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah for real.
I've tried to float.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, you're tall, I'm pretty sure you could stand.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, yeah, Depends how deep, Well beyond Sunday you
talked about diving deep, sowe're not going shallow here.
This is deep waters baby.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it's not diving , though, it's just sinking.
Do you have an aversion to thewater?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Or just do you enjoy going.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
To the pool.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I would choose to never go to the pool.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But we're invited often, and I am humbled and
honored by each invite, and so Igo.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That was nice.
That was nice for the invite.
Yes, if.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I could like go to a movie every time instead.
I'd be pleased as punch.
And it's not even against theheat.
I think it's because I don'tknow how to swim.
I don't love getting splashed.
I don't drink much of the elk.
So it's like what am I going todo here?
Just sit in the warm and sweat.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You could sit in the cool water.
You don't have to swim, youdon't have to like, you could
just sit.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, and then the kids are all like splashing you
in the face.
Do you like that, dina?
Turn around.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's aggressive.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love floating in the pool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Turn around.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like.
I love floating in the pool.
I love to.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is that your summer activity or what are you
choosing?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
No, that's not because I like I think for me in
the summer I don't want to misslike a big movie release that's
like my I look forward to andyou know COVID kind of threw us
off for a while, it was someweak summer movies but I'm a big
movie buff.
It's funny you mentioned goingto movies because I there's
always good movies that come outin the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
What is it?
What are you going to?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
see, this year there's several.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, tell us.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm like excited about, I don't know Like I went
to see how to Train a Dragon thelive version.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What did you think I was really?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
excited about that.
It was good.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
One to ten scale.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'd say maybe a seven .
Okay yeah, which is prettypositive for me.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Are you going to see Jurassic Park?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I am going to see Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Happy Gilmore, I'm also going to.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm not going to see Happy Gilmore in the theater.
It's coming.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I don't think it's going to theaters.
I think it's going right toNetflix.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Are you kidding me?
No, happy Gilmore 2, not in thetheaters.
I think.
I'm blaming that one on COVID.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't know.
Covid threw the whole moviething off like just movies
weren't coming out foreverbecause people weren't going.
And I I love a good movie, good, some popcorn kicking back yeah
yes, do you sneak things intothe movie theater?
Um, I used to, but I don'tanymore.
(05:19):
Tell us about the metanoia, theheart change, repentance it's
really because I just stoppedeating candy during movies.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It doesn't have to be candy.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Anything Like.
I don't sneak drinks in Most ofthe time, I'll just well.
I do drink soda sometimesduring the movies.
I was going to say most of thetime I drink waters.
It depends on what theater I goto, because my son works at a
movie theater.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
At the Alamo Draft House.
Nice and that one's close to myhouse and I really enjoy the
vibe there.
I like going there, but itdoesn't have reclining seats.
Wow, and there's something tobe said for the reclining seats.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, those are beautiful, that were nonexistent
when I was young.
Zach, you sneak things in.
I've snuck some things in Iknow your mom has talked about
this several times yeah, I've,I've snuck some things in before
yeah, yeah, um anything youwant to share what's?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
uh, like candies you're acting so strange about
this my best friend, I mean whatelse do you sneak?
I mean, I'm not like, I'm notlike bringing in a drink, like
in my pocket no, not drinks, butdo you like, take a blanket to
the movie.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know that's like a thing now with the recliners
Kids do Kids take a blanket.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But that would be easier to sneak things if you
did that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
We're not condoning that, or are we?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, bringing a blanket.
We talked about honor.
We just learned all about honor, a snack and yeah, yeah, this
is perfect for the laterquestion.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So I'll save it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
My very good friend, like my mom friend when my kids
were little that we'd take ourkids to the movies together.
She and her kids would alwaysgo stop by Dollar Tree or the
dollar store before they'd go tothe movies, and she literally
would buy so much boxed candythat when she walked, her purse
would go.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I will share this.
When I was in high schoolprobably college I didn't do
this much in college, but inhigh school for sure I'd go to
the movie and go straight to atrash can get a large popcorn
tub, large soda cup.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Cup, go get that refill would you wash it out
first?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
it depends who I was with.
Like, if it really botheredthem, I'd rinse it and put a
little soap in there, rinse itout in like the bathroom yeah,
but if.
But, if it was my buddies orwhatever, just dump and go get
it yeah just save, Just savewhat 20 bucks, now 15, 20 bones
yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Did you ever do like theater hopping before there was
assigned seating?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Where you'd get in and like one movie would finish
and you'd just go sit in anothertheater.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
We absolutely did.
We'd watch three in a day.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
My older brothers would do that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Never would I do that .
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Never you, no, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I have honor I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I yeah.
It's just a lot of movies timeto watch back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, and you run out of candies.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, and you run out of candies that you might have
brought.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That depends how many you smuggled in.
Alrighty, then, yep, yep, goodmovie quote.
So this week we started our newsermon series called hey, don't
Skip this, and we are talkingabout Bible events that maybe
are not as well known or youknow harder to find, not the
things that you hear every week.
And this week we kind of lookedat the second Kings and Pastor
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Greg Griffith preached and heopened up by talking about how
he is a hypocrite.
He doesn't like to admit it,but he's a hypocrite because he
has very high standards aboutpeople losing things and judges
them fiercely, but that he losthis wedding ring multiple times,
so he ended up getting a tattooinstead of wearing a ring.
(09:05):
So I want to know what are youa hypocrite about?
Is there something in your lifethat stands out?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
to you, I'd like to answer for.
Peter.
Yes, this is something that hesays that I don't see in action,
which is, I think, what ahypocrite is.
Right it's saying one thing andnot doing, and so many many
timeseter will say that he ispro animal I knew it yeah pro
animalanti-pet anti-pet and, uh, what
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he means to say by that is thathe's for animals.
That's what pro animal means,but he doesn't want to have one
as a pet.
And yet I have a pet, hisname's zig, and many other
animals have been around Peter,and I don't think he's
pro-animal, I think he'santi-animal, even more anti-pet.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I'm going to call him out as a hypocrite for that.
What kind of animal is Ziggy?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He's just a little cockapoo dog.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He's a dog and again, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
If animals aren't your thing, that's fine.
I would just say own it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know, I, I do agree.
I think you, you may be alittle anti animal animal animal
animal anti pet only because ofthe faces you make.
Anytime there's animaldiscussions happening.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So here's the deal I'm afraid of most every animal.
So here's the deal I'm afraidof most every animal.
My judge of if I'm afraid ornot is if it was cornered in the
garage, would I run away?
And I can't think of an animalthat I wouldn't run away from.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You'd run away from Ziggy.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely.
If it's cornered, I'm like I'mdone, I'm gone, so I'm afraid of
animals.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What about like an axolotl yeah?
That's not even a real animal,no I don't know what that is
Speaker 2 (10:48):
that's a pokemon, that's yeah, that's not real.
So when I go to the zoo, I justam in awe of god's creation and
I mean that's true, I but likeit's just so fun to learn about
animals.
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Did you know that giraffes havelike sponges in their neck so
that if they, if they have toeat from foliage on the ground,
their head doesn't explode fromthe rush of blood?
Wow, incredible, right, if theydidn't have those, they would
have died off years ago.
So so this proves evolution.
I think that's phenomenal.
I love animals.
Don't want them in my house.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Maybe you're just fascinated by animals.
Maybe love is not the rightword.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So what's the opposite of pro, anti, anti.
So, zach, would you say I'manti-animal?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I would.
He feels very strongly.
Well, and I think it's onething to be like you can be
afraid of animals, true.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Which.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think, makes you a little bit anti.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
If that makes sense.
Usually you're anti thingsyou're afraid of.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You're not like anti, like you want to go around and
kill things and you're wishingbad things happen.
You just don't want them inyour space.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So true At all ever.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
This is a great example.
I love this.
What do you got for me?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
This is some good brother therapy.
This is really good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think it's so funny that that so zach took a test,
like a while ago or no.
What was it your family saidyou were.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You're a bad listener yeah, they voted me the worst,
the worst in my family atlistening or active listening or
what was it?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
the context yeah, I think just listening in general
yeah, which which this is notthe time to get into who may
actually be the worst listener,but, uh, I and I don't even know
if I can bend this to him beinghypocritical or not, but he's.
He's always like he'll talkover people to say how good he's
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gotten at listening over theyears and they'll be like no,
zach, you don't.
And then he'll be like youdon't understand, and then he'll
just not listen his way allthrough his argument.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I didn't hear a thing you said.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Dina, what do you got ?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I think I'm probably the most hypocritical about like
organization, Like I wantthings organized my way, but
everyone else has to organizethem my way too.
And I'll say to my kids or likeformer roommates or something
oh no, you know, do whatever youwant.
But then I'll secretly likereshape or reorganize or things,
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Cause it.
Just I don't know if I've gotlike OCD tendencies or something
, but it just drives me nuts Inthe way.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In the words of Forrest Frank, your way is
better, my way is better.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
God's way is best, but you know Then deem it.
I'm like right there underneathNice, all right.
So kind of talking about beinghypocritical, are you guys ever
hypocritical like when youborrow things?
Greg, like left in this Biblestory, talks about this ax that
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is borrowed that falls in thewater, and they're really
devastated or concerned aboutthis ax because it's not theirs
and we want to take care ofother people's things.
And I'm just wondering are youever, you know, do you ever find
yourself being hypocriticalabout borrowing things?
or do you have a?
What do you?
What relates to you aboutborrowing things, or do you have
a?
What do you, what relates toyou about borrowing?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
yeah, this is where I'm not quite sure that I um, I
struggle one with understandingwhat hypocritical meant, so now
I have to relate it to somethingelse.
So this is a double whammy so II do know this that I am not
great with things I borrow.
I tend to have them for a longtime.
Um, I've I've got a couplebooks from one of my buddies
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right now and I don't even liketo read, so it's like why do I
still have these did?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
you ask for them or did they offer he?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
he gave them to me, it was like you should read
these, so I didn't want to turndown the gift of borrowing
something.
But I keep looking at them andI just feel so bad, like, oh,
I'm never going to read thisbook.
And I keep looking on Audible,thinking today's the day it's
going to be on Audible and theydon't come to Audible, like one
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of them he wrote.
So I have to read it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is it Zach?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
No, it's a good buddy of mine named frank, and frank,
I love you and I just want tobe able to.
I I can read, but not well.
So now I'm gonna and this is,and then, like I'll get after,
I'll do it, I won't, I don't, Idon't know when you should just
give the books back and begrateful that's what frank say.
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He's a very understanding guy,yeah, so that's my encouragement
to you.
I'll read a chapter.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think me or Allison aremuch of like borrowers.
So yeah, for me I probably morewhat's more in my world than
borrowing is like if we go outwith friends or someone else,
like just kind of trying to makesure we don't take advantage.
If they want to pay forsomething like cool, then we'll
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get the next one, if that makessense.
So I think, we're way more inthat camp than like, hey, I need
to borrow any, I mean anything.
So yeah, to me, I think we'rereally hyper, try to be hyper
aware of not taking for granted.
When people are generous to usand wanting to make sure that we
see it, we notice it and, if wecan, in our own way.
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It doesn't always have to bepenny for penny or just with
dollars if that makes sense, butit can be with watching
someone's dog or with you knowwhatever.
I think we try to be over andabove, like we want to be the
ones that are generous.
If that, if that makes sense.
Yeah, Are you much of aborrower?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't.
I'm I'm not a big borrower, butwhen I borrow something like
from some, like from a neighboror a coworker, somebody I don't
know as well like, I will use itclean the snot out of it and
get it back to them ASAP.
I want it looking better, but ifI borrow something from
somebody I know well or a familymember, all bets are off on
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when it may or may not leave myhouse again, and sometimes
there's things I'vequote-unquote borrowed from my
dad that I'm pretty sure Ireally just think it was a gift.
Now and it just became my.
I have a snowblower.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Dad just lives at my house now.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Hopefully you're not listening because she still
knows that was a borrow, butshe's kind of claimed it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, you know, somewhere in the midst he moved
to a condo where they take careof his snow.
So I figured he didn't need itanymore.
You know, yeah, I feel like Itake advantage, I feel like I'm
hypocritical in that way that Idon't treat those things the
same when they're from people Iknow better.
I should be better, I shouldhonor them more.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So Greg really talked about three key points as he
looked at this whole story, andthe first one that he talked
about is God cares about whatyou care about.
How did that speak to you guys?
How did you relate to that?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, this is something that I've thought
about a lot and in kids'ministry this was a great
connection often, because whatkids care about is very
different than what adults careabout at times, and a kid who
loses their stuffy like that's abig deal to them, and I think
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sometimes we think of God asthis benevolent authority who is
there to punish, rather than aloving father who is there to
care.
And if you see a child sad, youwant to help them find their
stuffy.
Let's go find it, and so thatwas always a fun connection to
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make with kids like that.
God cares about you and becausehe cares about you, he cares
about what you care about, evenif other people belittle it.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I think it was really good.
It was in relation to the storywhere the guy does borrow the
axe head and he's a protege ofElisha, the prophet, who, in my
mind, is the most underratedprophet of all.
Elisha's an awesome dude, justamazing guy.
So he's got all these protégésunder him and they're like
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really building like a versionof a seminary, right, and so
they're doing this, the axe headflies out, it goes into the
water and the guy that borrowedthe axe head's like, ah, geez,
doggone it, I lost my axe head,I borrowed that.
Ah, that's going to be a bigdeal and it probably would have
been a bigger deal than maybe wemake it out to be.
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And God in this was my kind ofbig takeaway too for the whole
sermon like God in his bigness,cares about the small things in
our life, right?
I just think it's fascinatingthat the God of the world, who
at this moment, right now, isseated on his throne and
probably stewarding, I don'tknow, millions of people talking
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to him at this very moment, can, at the same time, steward the
world and be sovereign over all,and yet still be intimately and
deeply involved in the detailsof my life for what should be,
in his purview, a really smallthing, he makes it a big enough
thing in our life to care about.
So I just find that to befascinating, and that was kind
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of like the perspective I hadthrough the sermon was thinking
about this duality of God, thathe is that big and that small
and that's our God, which ispretty cool, and so for anyone
listening, that's like feelingthe weight of something, whether
it's small or big, knowing thatGod is seated on his throne and
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at the same time like deeplyinvolved and intimate with you
to give you exactly what youneed when you need.
It is really comforting.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
When I was going through my divorce and I was in
counseling at the time, I feltlike there were things that were
happening in my life that werenot big enough for God, like, oh
, this was really small becauseI was going through some really
big things with my divorce andmy children and those struggles,
and then little things wouldhappen and I'd be like, well,
that's too small to pray about,or that's like I want God to
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concentrate on the big things.
He can concentrate on it all.
But it just seemed so minusculeto me.
And my therapist gave me theimage of God doesn't look at
your problems or your issueslike a skyline where there's
tall buildings and shortbuildings.
He's got an overhead view whereeverything looks the same
dimension.
So your big cares and yoursmall cares are all the same to
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him and he cares just as muchabout the teeny tiny thing as he
does about the big thing.
And that was like mind blowingto me.
Oh, my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think that's great, and I hear a lot of people say
or feel like well, I don't knowif I want to pray to God about
that, because so-and-so isdealing with that and that's a
big deal, Like God should, likethat's a bigger thing and like
maybe it is in the worldlycontext, but God cares enough
about what you're going throughtoo that you can bring anything
and everything, even the smallthings and the big things, to
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God.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I liked.
Greg referenced a quote thatsaid there's no pit so deep that
God's love is not deeper still.
That spoke to me.
I really liked that.
So he kind of transitioned intoa second point, which was
talking about God can workmiracles in everyday life.
How did that speak to you?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think there's, yeah , what I really liked about this
part of Greg's message.
We call him GG.
What I liked about GG's messagehere in this part was just the
reminder that every day we'rewalking you, dina, peter, we're
walking miracles and to notice alittle bit more of the miracles
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that we just get to see everyday and take for granted, get to
feel, get to experience everyday and take for granted and
again kind of pointing to thebigness of God like all these
miracles happen each and everyday and he's aware, he knows,
and because of that, like weought to believe in the
miraculous God to do anythingand everything.
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And so no situation is too fargone, like you said, no pit is
too far deep that God can'tintervene.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, and I liked how he connected also some of the
miracles we get to see at churchof communion, of the
forgiveness of sins throughChrist's body and blood and the
real presence of the bread andthe wine, which is something I
think that when we do it everyother week and it can become
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even mundane.
And it can become even mundane,but the reality is like there's
a miracle at work.
We receive the forgiveness ofsins and then in baptism July 20
is a baptism Sunday, so comeready to see the miracle of God,
of him saying you are part ofmy family, Nothing and no one
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can take you from me as thewater and the word combines and
like one of the coolest thingsthat we get to witness and be
part of.
So I really appreciate himbringing those sacraments into
the message in that moment.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And you heard it here first.
Folks Believe it or not.
Dina and Peter, I believe thatJuly 20th is the first Sunday
where we will have baptismshappening at all three of our
campuses on the same day.
Talk about miraculous.
Come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's great.
Yeah, I liked when he talked atthis point about Jesus coming
and making breakfast for thedisciples and just how mundane
that seemed.
Like you talked about mundane,I wrote down miraculous of the
mundane that to me stuck with meand how Jesus was just doing
this lowly simple thing for hisfriends.
But it is miraculous because hedied and he was no longer dead.
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So then Greg moved into histhird point, which was really
about God uses ordinary peopleto help others.
What stuck with you about thisone?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, the illustration of his dad being
the ring finder.
I thought that was a reallycool thing with the whole like
he started off with like he'slost his ring so many times and
then the axe head gets lost inthe water and then his dad found
a lady's wedding ring in theocean, was it?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, which is?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
just absurd that that would happen.
So that was just a really cooltie-in.
Then he mentioned people fromGod's word who, um, were
ordinary people who didextraordinary things, and then
it made me think about some ofthe people in my life, uh, some
of which like.
I think of a guy named dr peterfalk who was one of my mentors
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in high school who whenever I'dsee him he'd say peter, living
in the word peter and uh, butjust an ordinary dude with his
flaws and just like any one ofus, but would routinely point me
to god's word, which isextraordinary, um.
Another mentor of mine was a guynamed mike leclerc and he was
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our neighbor and when we werelittle, every time that
commercial came out and I waslike I want to, to be, I want to
be like Mike.
He would like crank it up andlike come outside and shoot
hoops with us, and I'll, I'llnever forget that and for me
it's like gosh to live with thattype of joy.
That's an ordinary dude doingsomething extraordinary, I
simply being goofy, so thosethings stick out and and help
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illustrate that point of whatGreg talked about.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
And I think too, so many miracles of God, like,
let's be real, he doesn't needus to do the miracle.
I think of the feeding of the5,000, like it was a miracle of
provision, but it was also amiracle of participation, like
he's including each andeverybody in this, and in this
case, miracle of participation.
Like he's including each andeverybody in this, and in this
case he includes Elisha and thisyoung student in it and like he
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didn't need to do that and hecould have.
Just, you know, if he could, ifhe could perform any miracle, he
could have just taken the axhead out of the water and just
placed it right back in theguy's hands, but instead, unlike
Peter, he made it float.
Maybe there's an opportunityfor you to float bud.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
That'd be a miracle, an opportunity for you to float
bud.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That'd be a miracle If you can learn how to float.
Anyway, it floated and it waslike there it is, take it.
And so sometimes, like themiracle, I wonder how many my
mind went.
I wonder how many miracles thatwe're leaving in the water or
on the table if you will, notbecause God isn't willing to do
them, but because we're notwilling to do our small, small
part of cool.
The ax head is floating.
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99.9% of this thing is done.
I just got to do the 0.01% oflifting it out of the water and
then it's done, done.
And so to me it's a reminder ofour participation in God's
miracles that there are probablyso many incredible miraculous
things that are hanging in thebalance only to have us put a
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little bit of action and do ourpart, because God includes us in
it.
Right, if he wanted to just doit himself, he could have.
He didn't.
He died and rose and then heascended into heaven and
entrusted 12 pretty messed upguys to start this movement, and
it continues forward withpeople like us and people like
in our church that we all have apart to play in it.
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We are those ordinary people.
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, let's go.
Yeah, and I think a couplethings that came to mind.
There is one our eyes up to seewhat's around us, to see what
God is doing, to see the peopleGod what's around us, to see
what God is doing, to see thepeople God has placed around us
and to appreciate them and care.
And then, secondly, thinking ofother extraordinary things done
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by ordinary people.
I think of the volunteers inour city and in our churches,
the people who care for the kidson a Sunday morning, who clean
the coffee pots, who say helloand shake a hand of someone
who's having a terrible,terrible day, like every single
one of those goes a long waywithin a faith community to to
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welcome people and to make themfeel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I have been shocked I since I've been in guest
experience on this campus, whichis a year now, I don't even
know At the number of timessomeone will come to me and
share a story of, hey, I washaving a really bad day and the
greeter just shook my hand alittle bit longer or gave me a
smile and a hug.
They didn't ask what was goingon, they didn't ask if they
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could pray for something oroffer some helpful advice, but
they were just there to greetand welcome them when they
walked into church.
I mean, dozens of times peoplehave come and said to me hey,
last week this happened and Ijust thought somebody should
know about it.
What a simple thing that is.
You know what I mean To keepyour eyes up and just welcome
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someone.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I'm going to get the longest handshakes ever this
weekend.
Too long yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The opposite effect for me.
There's so much eye contact.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's a fine line.
Like it becomes creepy after alittle point.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
you know, yeah, how long is too long.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I don't know.
I'll start asking.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
All right, when I get the comments I'll start asking.
It totally depends on where theconversation goes.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What if there's no conversation?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
If there's no conversation and you're still
hanging on One 1,002, 1,003,maybe With no conversation.
I don't know, with noconversation, I don't know.
I think it depends if you bringin the other hand and really
like warm it with both hands.
You know, I don't know.
Yeah, I feel like we're wayoverthinking this.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, I think we're thinking about it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I pray with my volunteers every Sunday morning.
I'm like Lord, direct our feet.
Let us be whatever the peoplewho are coming through the doors
needs, if it's a smile, if it'sa hug, if it's a handshake, and
I'm shocked at the number ofresponses that I get.
It really is amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, I told our campus folks about a couple of
examples of people who have cometo church, one of which it was
his first time ever coming toour campus and he had a great
experience.
We talked about it a lot and thenext day he passed away and it
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was horrific and we never got tomeet him again.
And so, lord, I pray that whathappened that day?
You have your hands all over itas a guy who hasn't been to
church in over 30 years, becausehe said that the church and God
didn't love him anymore and sohe had finally worked up the
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courage to come to church.
And so we never know whatpeople are going through when
they come through our doors.
We never know what people aregoing through when they come
through our doors.
I also share the story ofthere's a couple who attended
for about a year and a half whohave now moved to Texas, and
they said the reason that theyattended is because someone
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learned their name on the firstweek and used it, and they said
they never experienced thatbefore and it's something so
simple but so powerful just tolook up, learn a name and then
on the way out and say see you,greg, I'm so glad you're here so
we can do that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I just had a guy who came back to church.
He went here, I guess when hewas much younger.
Had a guy who came back tochurch.
He went here, I guess when hewas much younger.
Has a family member that goeshere and he came to fill out a
new here card because he saidwell, I haven't been here for
like 10 or 15 years.
So I thought maybe I shouldstop by and I said, yes, I'd
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love to meet you, started askinghim about his story and he said
well, I came like about six orseven years ago and I walked in
and nobody said hi to me andnobody offered to help me find a
seat and nobody shook my handat the end of service and he
said I just felt very shunnedand so I left.
I was here that one time and Ileft and I didn't come back.
And now here I have, come back,and on the first day I came
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back, I walk in and a guy namedBill, who's one of our greeters,
greeted him and had a wholeconversation with him.
And then the next week, where'sBill?
Bill wasn't standing at thefront door but there was
somebody other than Bill thatwas just as friendly and he was
like I was shocked Couldn't betwo weeks in a row that people
were friendly.
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And he said, just week afterweek I kept saying, oh okay, I
can come back, maybe next weekI'll see what I saw before.
But he just talked about howthe dynamic had changed, the
worth and the warmth and thewelcoming.
Now I don't know what washappened six or seven years ago
on the day that he came, cause Iknow people have been friendly
here for a long time, but forwhatever reason he didn't have
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that experience and now he hasyeah, yeah, it speaks volumes,
attaboy bill yeah, um.
So, as we wrap up, what's yourfinal thoughts, final takeaways
from this message?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
yeah, uh, one of the last questions that pastor greg
asked was what is your elishamoment?
your I will moments.
And then he said your impactwill always be bigger than your
effort.
And I think about that.
I mean, I think about that withthe amazing people that I get
to minister with, especiallywhen they're going through a
really hard time, because I'llsit with them and I don't have
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an answer for any of their griefand I can't fix their problems,
and I really want to.
I wish I could, but the realityis like the best thing I can do
is just be there and see themand pray for them and be sad for
a little bit with them andlament and um, and I know, when
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people have done that for me,it's made in incredible, uh,
it's, it's had incredible value.
So, um, your impact will alwaysbe bigger than your efforts.
I'm just sitting there, but,lord, allow that to be helpful
in some way.
You do the work, god.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
You do the work, god.
Yeah, my brain's been thinkingthis statement that if God would
do this much for an axe head,like think how much he'd do for
someone like you, someone likeme, if he'd go out of his way to
find a lost axe head in water.
Like, how much more will God goto find his lost children?
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And in this process, even whatwe talked about how much he'll
use you and I and the peoplelistening to help rescue his
children?
There's like no length.
Like he's already done thatthrough Jesus, like at the cross
and through the tomb, and sothere's no length.
There's no pit too deep thatGod cannot save.
And through the tomb, and sothere's no length.
There's no pit too deep thatGod cannot save and God cannot
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rescue.
And that's a part of the missionwhere I hope all of us want to
join in on that, because it'scool to see an axe head float.
It's even more amazing to seelives changed and transformed
through the waters of baptism,and that's what we're here to do
.
And so that that thought ofjust if God would do this for an
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ax head, uh, had a few other,like you know, anyway, I'm not
gonna go where I've thought,like what he'll do for an ax
hole like me, but anyway, that'skind of where I was going.
I was like I don't that I'llhave to edit that for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's all right.
We have all of like sixlisteners, so you know.
But seriously, if you go thatlength, there's nothing off the
table for what God wouldn't doto reach his kids.
That's cool, that's good.
All right, do you want to tagus out this time?
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
This has become a little thing for you in honor of
um your favorite summer thingof going to the movies.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, I've got the movie trailer all right for for
this sermon series, for what for?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
no for the summer, for the podcast okay okay I'm
ready, I'm locked in yeah, youknow, that's exactly where it
starts In a world where Sundayhappens, yeah, so I've got three
points that are going to makethis abundantly clear.
My wife, lori, is the best.
You hear a message, and so Ifound my ring and then I lost my
(37:57):
ring and you get a lot from it,and then I got a tattoo of my
ring.
My dad said don't get a tattoo.
Sometimes it gets more serious.
God does this and God does that, and then you forget about it
because you're a human.
You've got a lot going on.
But then you found this podcastand it went beyond Sunday, and
(38:25):
it went beyond Sunday.
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